What went wrong?
No enigma
>>721751112ppl realized arpg is dogshit genre
>3 months till releasewill they make it?
>>721751112>muh vision>muh meaningful combat>muh making every mistake from poe1 but refusing to implement the solutions that were also already made in poe1this comming update where they make the hard turn back to being more like poe1 is a good start but poe2 has atleast a few years before it is worth playing.they also need to pick a fucking side, if this is really EA then changes need to come fast and hard and they need to stop shilling all the fucking MTX. If this is a full release then mtx is fine but we need the last two acts and all the remaining classes and weapons. They are tring to walk the line between the two and failing hard.
>>721751112people taking the game too serious
>>721751112It's not out yet
Tencent shill thread
>>721751112Poop Of Excrement II
>>721751112Why do I have to play the same campaign over and over? Also why do I have to play the same leveling build before I get to start making the actual fun build I want to use?How about if I want to do poison build I can start having fun building it from the very beginning.ALL REPEAT PLAYTHROUGHS FOR EXISTING CLASSES SHOULD HAVE ALL ABILITIES UNLOCKED AS DEFAULT
>>721751112I just don't think its very fun. I played 5 builds in 3.26 but couldn't even be bothered to play act 4 in .3. It's slow and feels like its designed to waste your time, which is saying something because poe1 was already a timewasting game.
It's fucking 2025. Move on from ARPGs. You're just as pathetic as people still playing DOTA
>>721751112This is the first arpg I've played but I bounced off of it as nothing ever felt exciting. Loot is dull and hard to come by and nothing in the passive tree ever felt like something to look forward to.The support gems are neat, but you quickly realise some are so much better than the rest and then that system loses appeal.The boss fights were fun, but can't carry it especially when they're buried behind a mountain of trash sludge to reach them.the
>>721751175this. it's beem completely streamlined and demystified
>>721751112>mfw playing Diablo 4 season 10.
>ARPG with the worst loot mechanics in the genreThats what went wrong. Torchlight 2 is the best game in the industry still to this day somehow. I wish Torchlight devs stuck around to make a real successor that wasn't shit. Torchlight 3 should have been something else entirely.
>>721751675>ALL REPEAT PLAYTHROUGHS FOR EXISTING CLASSES SHOULD HAVE ALL ABILITIES UNLOCKED AS DEFAULTno, fuck that. i have been playing arpgs for almost thirty years now and i want it so that if you beat a campaign once you dont have to do it again period. fucking money goblins will never let it happen so lets comprimise, beat it once every season/league/whatever and you are good to go. either level the character stright to when endgame starts, or give us a scalable endgame so we can start at lv1.
>>721751112I have no care for PoE/ARPG's, just what I'm exposed to from second-hand 'talk/hype', but how the hype nose-dived after PoE2 launched was surprising.I saw all that crossbow shit happening, graphics looked ok. Almost made me play it.I don't know why it has problems, but I'll take the players word for it.
>>721751112rapidly aging boomers with dadgamers in tow are playing your game demanding yet another D2 rehash instead of an impressionable younger audience willing to try new things
>>721752296That impressionable younger audience is stuck playing fortnite or roblox
>>721751112PoE hasn't been worth playing since 2014
>>721752005>Played every class to max level >No idea what the fuck I could even make at this point and it's just filling up the character roster with people I won't touch after the season This is dumb.
>>721752640HS teacher here, can confirm the little shits only play fortnite or roblox. One still plays minecraft, but thats one of 200+ that i have so ya...
>>721752853Also for some reason clash royal has gotten big with them over the last month
>>721751112Jonathan
>>721751112This autistic grindfest had no chance against diablo 2 and will never measure up to it. Neither did the first poe. Its a streamlined streamerslop with the worst loot system, story, lore and environments that could have ever been imagined. It does have the unique distinction, however, of attempting to create zoomerslop using boomerslop framework. Results speak for themselves
>>721751112the 5 characters I'm the most interested in are the 5 that havent been added yet. otherwise good game.
>>721751112because it's not as fun to play as Last Epoch or Grim Dawn.Which is a shame because it's a nice looking game and I think the skills and passives were interesting.
>>721751112I think the problem is that the campaign is only fun the first time you play it. A lot of PoE2 relies on the novelty of the experience and the difficulty of bosses that you have to learn, it does not lend itself to being a seasonal game. Think about how many people liked the game on release vs how many people leave bad reviews because they cant be bothered to play enough to experience the new content. I don't necessarily think thats a bad thing they just shouldn't have called it PoE2
>>721751675why do people hate the campaign so much? Do you not make a stupid build and use story boss as a measurement of your stupid build strength? Why am I even asking you’re just a tard that uses leveling builds to get into the rat maze faster
>>721753552>why do people hate playing the exact same shit over and overIf the advertised improvements for the game are all in the endgame of course you want to skip the campaign. Kill yourself retard
>>721753104the results were it got big enough to be bought out by tencent, grow the company from 3-4 guys in a garage to over 240 employees, has been commercially successful for over a decade and spawned a sequel. does it still live in the shadow of D2? sure but if I was chris wilson or any of the other founding members I couldn't give a rat's ass while sleeping on my piles of money.
>>721753662>>721753662I can’t imagine being this retarded then again only a tard that spams maps to play the same maps and kill the same bosses again and again could be this retarded, enjoy your rat maze so you can trivialize the game with one good weapon craft
>>721754006Cope and sneed about it
>>721753552the campaign is NOT a measurement of your build's strength. not even close. you already answered your own question anyway which leads me to believe it was just a shitpost to bait replies. well here's your (You).
>>721751112No movement skills. Slower, "muh meaningful", combat. Worse, railroaded, skill design. Dumbed down skill tree for new players. Terrible endgame. Reminder that Ben keeps being right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57GBD2PKJhw
>>721754006how is slogging through the same storyline for the hundredth time any better let alone less 'tarded? genuinely asking
>>721751112>what went wrongfanbase that was like a jilted lover bouncing off blizzard but happily paid $200 dollars for stash tabs because 'fighting the good fight' to give their money to another company that was money hungry and sold out to china
they actually believe this fucker can balance the game
Runs like shit and looks like shit with a million effects on screen. Plays like shit when you realise the developers genuinely have no idea what they want the game to be. There a million outdated game mechanics that hinder solo players. The "crafting" system is just YOLO gambling. Absolutely fucking boring experience carried by nothing and no one other than Diablo 2 fanatics who would be better off discovering what a vagina is instead of destroying their lives playing this retarded shit.
>>721754196>no movement skillsoff the top of my head what is blink, shield charge, rhoa mount, and half the quarterstaff skills?>Slower, "muh meaningful", combat.it's there in the campaign, but fizzles away at maps. frankly I hate the "meaningful" combat they keep trying to sort of force in. I say "sort of" because they only designed the campaign to have it and not the end game>railroaded, skill design. Dumbed down skill tree for new players????????????>Terrible endgameit's getting better. they got rid of towers which is pretty nice. keep in mind it took GGG years to dial in poe1's endgame. unfortunately poe2 suffers a lot from the fact that at the eleventh hour they decided to turn poe 4.0 into a sequel, especially its endgame.
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but even though GGG is run poorly, they have armies of forever online trannies ready to defend their new blizzard forever
>>721751112they already had a good game but for some weird reason decided to burn it all to the ground
>>721754639if by "they" you mean the other founders of GGG I don't think even they believed that. half of them dipped out a while ago.
the last problem with P2E is because there is a black market for ingame items, browns across the world will use the game to make a living
>>721754846??????????????????????????????????? the only tranny that plays their game is ds_lily and "she" shits on them all the time.
the problem with all arpgs atm is every company puts the mtx shop first and then they have a diablo-like after thatand im not talking about grim yawn, everyone just uses the grim stash app to generate items and they stop playing. so thats not a real game
>>721751112I dropped the game permanently the second they add async trade. I will never be playing an arpg again.
>>721751112This game is developed by spiteful retards who previously made a successful game by accident. They don't seem to understand what exactly they've made and how, and they are also extremely resentful and asshurt that it became popular instead of whatever retarded idea they had in mind.Apparently this is an attempt 2, full of their resentment and schizophrenic, incompatible game design choices. Cherry on top is that they don't seem to even play their own game.
>>721755117that's true of any online game though. why even mention it? the only thing worth mentioning in that regard is the ties GGG had with one of the supposed RTM marketers that eventually became an employee.
>>721755319P2E players loved to make fun of diablo 3 and it only took them 10 years to recreate it.with an auction house and real money auction house fucking lol
>>721755319brown/gook hands typed this
>>721754245as oppose to mapping? A repetitive activity that you will play infinitely more than the story? I don’t really care about going very far with a character especially with this league where gear makes up most of a build’s strength. The only time my characters reach past 90 is if I can’t find enough citadels to test my build a few times against arbiter, it’s fun to push a build through maps but I find more fun in the campaign knowing what to expect and seeing if a build surpass or horribly fails previous builds I thought of. I can’t comprehend people who use leveling builds to map sooner, I understand to them that’s the game but to me it’d make me ask what’s the point of playing the game at that point?
>>721754819Maybe watch the video I linked? https://youtu.be/57GBD2PKJhw?si=81RGmYVAOhbnXxgC&t=166 I even timestamped it for you.>????????????Skills being tied to a single weapon, instead of a group, forcing developer approved combos, instead of letting them arise naturally. Forcing skill interactions in general, instead of putting general conditions in skills, that allow them to them to interact more freely with each other.Life being stripped from the skill tree is the biggest indicator of what they were doing with the skill tree. Stripping life removes "bad choices" from the skill tree from new players, allowing them to not get stuck. Removing masteries. Removing power in general from the skill tree, as one node is much less meaningful than in PoE1. I don't really understand how you act surprised by me saying the skill tree is dumbed down, when everyone experienced with both games recognizes this. It helps new players and PoE2 is meant to be new player friendly.
>>721755542Nope I'm white. Now that trade is dumb normalfag shit its just a mentally disabled retard "game" for casuals like every other arpg. Not ever touching this shit genre ever again. They removed the one unique redeeming thing about the game.
>>721754819>off the top of my head what is blink, shield charge, rhoa mount, and half the quarterstaff skills?which is just a taste compared to what is avalaible in poe1, not to mention there are items and passive tree nodes that turn other non movment skills into move skills. this isnt even close>fizzles away at mapswe are playing the same game right? even if you arent playing the main meme build or level shit, this goes away after entering the third or forth zone of act one regardless of what class/skill you play. hell even the fucking slow ass minions got buffed out the ass this patch to make that meaningful fucking disappear. >????????????complexity has been halved from poe1, this is not a question or debatable. also take into account the weapon skill points which lets you have two builds at once, a entire 100+ node build in the case of that one ascendancy >it's getting betternot fast enough and not to a state that is acceptable especially when they had a damn good base already made to start with but they fucking refused to use it.poe2 is just a bastardized souls like wannabe of poe1, they will not be making launch goal and if they do force it so many things will be left out. it would not surprise me if we dont have the final act and/or four+ of the characters still unavailable.
>>721755531that's less than $100 if you bought every tab in that screenshot, and even less if you wait for the monthly tab sale.
>>721755542what kind of retarded faggot thinks trading is the best part of the game
For me these kind of games are only fun when there is adventure, but this feels like everything is laid out for me the gamer. Nothing feels surprising for some reason, it's insanely boring.
>>721755851>monthly tab sale.uh... its every weekend atleast, sometimes twice a week for the tab sales. plus whenever a new league comes out its like every other day. on top of that fact you only really need the currency, fragment tabs, and maybe one premium tab. Or pay nothing and still get hundreds of hours of good game
>>721755935people who want immediate power for their build or neets with time to play the market instead of the game
>>721756065>play the market instead of the gameThe market is the game. Mashing m2 over and over is not playing a video game.
>still no cyclone It'll remain poop until cyclone. And if they fuck up cyclone, it'll forever be poop.
>>721756127you know they will never allow cyclone to exist again right, at the core its just a blizzard ability and they cant allow that
>>721756265Then a poo will remain a poo.
>>721755783translation:>"I can't be a hideout trade warrior anymore that spends 8 hours a day pricefixing and scamming retards"either way imagine being the guy that quits a game because it got a quality-of-life update that games had 20 years ago>>721755935nobody thinks that except for turd worlders that make a living wage off of slaving away in online games for pennies and apparently >>721755783
>>721756265nonsense. they added cyclone to poe1 years ago. the real issue is if and when they add it to poe2 the "meaningful combat" stink to it by giving a long cooldown you can only bypass with by expending charges or having to build glory first
>>721756591>MUH TRADIN'>HI GUYS PLAYING SOME POE TODAY>*sits in hideout all day*trading for everything instead of playing the game, is not playing the gamefarming for money to buy better items is the worst way to play a game
>>721756729>cyclonenerfed into the ground in poe1
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>>721756842sure but the original contention was GGG would never add a "blizzard skill" to poe, which they did.... years ago
>>721756591>either way imagine being the guy that quits a game because it got a quality-of-life update that games had 20 years agoYou're foaming at the mouth because I'm moving on to more intelligent games while you're sitting here running the same map 300x while mashing m2 to collect orbs. You were warned this game and the people who play it would become shit if this happened, now it has and these threads get to be god awful shitshows full of retards like every other arpg thread. No one worth a shit is gunna step up to bat for this game now. You're on your own.
This thread is more insane than what I'm accustomed to.
>>721757002why would I be "foaming at the mouth" that GGG massively improved the game for me? didn't read the rest of your post since it seems you've switched to just baiting responses now.
>>721751237>ppl realized arpg is dogshit genrediablolike != arpg (action rpg).
>>721758685im playing new silent hill f. amazing game great action rpg
>>721751675Just image that the campaign is a series of maps you progress through, killing monsters on the way. That's what it is.
Immediately following the tencent acquisition of GGG in 2017, production of basically everything ground to a halt. Leagues decreased in scope, and also decreased to three times per year (at best). Metas stopped changing. And of course they made the effort to slow things down. It took them seven fucking years to release PoE 2 and it is essentially just the same game. Basically, GGG devolved from an actually good developer into this lazy piece of shit
>>721753552We hate the campaign because we have played it literally hundreds of times. There is zero enjoyment. It is a chore that takes half a day if you tryhard, or a full day if you want to relax.
>>721751112no swordsin a fucking medieval rpg
>>721761957there are multiple types of swords though
>>721751112>Let's make an ARPG for people who don't like ARPGs
>>721757110Every PoE2 thread goes this way. You get used to it.
>>721761957They're not implemented yet, according to old leaks we'll get 1h and 2h swords and axes.
the genre peaked 25 years ago (diablo 2) & we all got burned out running the same maps over and over for gear then
>>721751237>Realises Dark souls, Kingdom Hearts , Symphony of the Night, Skyrim, Darksiders 2 , Witcher 3 are all ARPGS
tranny game
