It’s a well produced game, but holy shit the writing and combat are just awful.
>"It’s a well produced game, but holy shit the writing and combat are just awful"Literally every "le triple A" for the last decade or so.
>>721799583True. Dos2 was better.
What I find stranger is why women love Astarian when he’s an effeminate British female gay friend who complains all the time. It goes against all the Red Pill podcasts I’ve watched over the years.
>>721799704Production is just money.
>>721799583Define "well-produced" when you are calling the game's combat and writing shit - which you'd be right about. I don't think the game excels at anything, except at being incredibly gay thematically.
>>721799583A game can be perfect from a technical standpoint and still be shit if it lacks an atmosphere and every character looks like an autistic porn actor in the dialogue cutscenes.
>>721800435The voice acting, motion capture during dialogue and graphics are well produced, to the point where you could the rest of the game down to just the cutscenes.
>>721800113Women do very much have the same kneejerk as dudebros that see lesbians, they are just less obnoxiously loud and bragging about it >gay? Naw, just hasn't met ME when I go all seductive yet!
>>721800582The voice acting is fine (7/10), but not impressive. The same goes for graphics and animations.
>>721800674Oh true Anon true true. That’s some wisdom there. How you roll for that check on the -4
>>721799583>and combatTo be fair that one isn't on devs. They did the best with 5ed equalitybabby combat rules they could.
>>721800113Because they can relate and he's a vampire. Chicks love vampires.
>>721801495Women can relate to vampires because they're bloodsucking parasites who drain the life out of people?
>>721801827They can relate to his effeminate characteristics. Also, he's the most interesting and funny party member. The rest of them are either annoying or they're boring so he's the natural choice for them to romance by default.
A lot of the faults of the game come down to D&D and how they were trying to translate it directly to a CRPG. The narrative, at least at the outset, is a typical tabletop setup filled with your typical cast of characters. The combat is trying too hard to translate 5e’s rules to an active video game. I imagine though, that that was the entire point, given how much money Wizards would have poured into the studio and project. It’s the perfect project to inject D&D marketing.
>>721800113He's effeminate but not in a zoomeresque way. He's a strong, tall guy with some fruity mannerisms. The fact that women who enjoy vampire fiction like that does *not* mean women will ever fuck homosexual men.
>>721801495THEY LOVE VAMPIRES BECAUSE THEY SUCKAND WOMEN NEED TO SUCK ON THIS DUCKamdjt
>>721802123But I like Karlash and she’s a big woman that goes against my human whatever.
>>721802123I've known several women that had the hots for their gay friend(s).
>>721802209>Karlash
>>721802209She has curves and a nice ass. That makes up for her being muscled up and scarred.
>>721802436Better than romancing Shadowlance
>>721799583the combat is best-in-genre. name one crpg with better combat. you can't
>>721801972>interesting and funnyBy that you must mean dislikable, whiny and an all around fag.
>>721802123Shut the fuck up, BG3 as a whole is zoomercore. There's nothing mature or conservative about a vampire walking around in broad dayligh, the game is fucking retarded and so are the characters in it.
>>721803101Diablo 1.
>>721803532He's the only character that likes it when you do evil actions. He cracks jokes when the player does it. Every other characters whines and bitches. You must have done a boring goody-two-shoes playthrough.
>>721804428diablo 1 isn't a crpg, for starters. it's a braindead hack and slash skinner box. + diablo gameplay (all diablos) drains your IQ while playing, which is one of the reasons why retards keep buying blizzard games
>>721804494Nothing funny about forced, quirky and overly edgy/tryhard Reddit jokes.
>>721804770Nah, he's genuinely the only decent companion during an evil playthrough. You just have autism and probably hate him simply because he's gay. Even minthara bitches if you're too evil once you rescue her.
>>721799583the combat alone renders every other crpg unplayable, they're just so featureless in comparison
>>721804762>it's a braindead hack and slash skinner boxThat isn't what Diablo 1 is at all. You can't even farm loot in that game without completely starting over. Monsters don't respawn like in Diablo 2. You're just repeating shit someone else said on /v/ because you've never played the game.
>>721804871it's not really an evil playthrough, if you didn't slaughter any companion at the first display of disagreement
>>721804871I'm not an uneducated Redditor so I heavily disagree with you and think you're a clueless faggot.
i tried replaying for dark urge honour hexblade run but i just got overwhelmed with all the shit i have to do when i got to the grove, i know collect every little thing for so im prepared in battle, also i got a nat 1 on a dc 2 to free shadowheart so im little worried for the run lol
>>721805005Being evil doesn't have to mean being a 60 IQ retard. I'm not roleplaying as a retarded goblin. Even they're smarter than that.
>>721799583act 1&2 are very consistent in quality when it comes to story & combat. i'd give act 1 a 9, act 2 8. the chinks in the armor already show during the moonrise assault when the devs start giving up on creating unique encounters, so they throw more waves of enemies @ you to make things difficult. act 3 i cannot give more than a 6. everything feels disjointed & you get random bullshit thrown @ you left right & center. shart undergoes notorious character assassination. level design does hold up in a lot of areas like temple of bhaal & enemy variety is better than act 2.still deservedly goty. larian is not the first nor last company to be unable to keep things fresh & interesting as the game approaches its end.
>>721804956you got me. I only played diablo 2
>>721799583>combat are just awful.have you tried not playing D&D
>>721805084>Being evil doesn't have to mean being a 60 IQ retardof course it does. why else would you be evil?
I can’t stand the 65% hit rate shit in this game.
>>721805084You are not smart, stop pretending you are.
>>721805084You definitely are a 60 IQ retard when you trust an aggressive vampire who assaults you on your first meeting and who attempts to suck blood out of you later. There's no chance you'd have IQ above fucking ten. You are not being evil, you are just outright fucking stupid.
>>721805192I'm smarter than you if you don't see the value in having underlings. Murdering every party member is retard chimp behavior.
>>721805005>you could be a good guy…>or you could be a mother effing baddass who kills everyone!Roleplaying was a mistake.
>>721805267Imagine being scared of a gay vampire. He knows his place once you overpower him. You're the bitch not me.
>>721805306Underlings who prove they are unworthy of any kind of trust on your very first encounter? You're a fucking moron. And you consider it being "evil" when you prance around like a little sparkling fag preaching about tolerance and mercy?I don't think you understand words have meanings. Words just come out of your mouth and you don't care how much they contradict with what you are actually trying to say. Typical BG3 fan, just utterly clueless.
>>721805306not doing evil acts will get you even more underlings. hard work and just behaviour will make other follow and love you, only someone below 80 IQ doesn't understand this
>>721805389Why can't you just admit that you're a homosexual with a mutilated dick? Where's your fucking foreskin? Everybody can tell you're a shill who only praises this LGBT+ game because you are getting paid for it.
>>721805389No he doesn't. You haven't even played the game. If you refuse to do his bidding as HIS underling, he will curse you and leave the party. He is using you, not the other way around.
>>721799583I couldn't finish act 1 because magic system is so inferior to DoS 2.
>>721805531>evil playthrough>not RPing as homosexualngmi
>>721805448You don't have to trust them. They just have to do what you say and fear you. Murdering every party member is really dumb behavior. You belong in the Congo with the rest of the apes.
>>721805605BG3 has no evil playthrough. If you play "evil," you will just skip and lock yourself out of all the content.
>>721805642Well all the party members suck
>>721805583I haven't finished my evil playthrough yet. Nice spoiler tags, retard.
>>721805642As stated by multiple people in this thread, you are the kind of retard who thinks he has the mental advantage when you are the one getting punched actively in the face.Where's your foreskin?
>hit act 3>fatigue hits>quit playing>repeat much later onaaaaaaAt least I'm pretty good and quick at finishing act 1 and 2 while still playing casually.
>>721805707Why the fuck are you arguing about this 5~ year old game if you haven't even played it and clearly don't know the characters? Fucking dumb faggot, you deserve all the fucking spoilers in the world.By the way, Aeris dies too, gets killed by Sephiroth. Something you'll find surprising.
>>721805743It's because you're all teenagers that think being evil equates to murdering everyone that could be useful like a dumb ass.
How come the game is "well produced" if it stayed in early access for years and when it reached its release date Larian had to cut enormours amount of content just to ship it, breaking the game so thoroughly its still filled with bugs? I fucking hate zoomers holy shit.
>>721805669as it should. this is the evil life you've chosen
>>721805825It's a two year old game that hundreds of thousands of people are actively playing.
>>721805837You're some fucking limp-dicked bozo who thinks "being evil" means tolerating opposition and showing mercy. Play a real RPG some time, you'd get kicked out from any tabletop table.
>>721805928Not true, the game was in EA for years. And those are bots by the way, all AAA garbage companies use those nowadays.
Act 1 is too damn long. I'm burnt out every time I get to BG Outskirts. Also I never feel like my party is fulfilling.
>>721806019You're referencing an event in act 3. That wasn't in EA, retard. I killed Astarian during my first playthrough because I was good aligned. He's useful during an evil playthrough so far and doesn't threaten to leave like most other characters. Killing one of the only people that is bothering to stick around seems pretty fucking retarded to me. That's fitting for /v/.
in my evil playthrough I sacrificed myself to become a mindflayer. everyone knows that mindflayers are evil
>>721806134Yes, because the game is not well-produced, you are not going to have much choice in evil playthrough because there are only so few characters. Compare that to BG3 where you could have playthroughs with tons of different party setups.
>>721806302By BG3 I obviously mean BG2 - even BG1 provides in this aspect. Not that BG3 is even a real BG game.
>>721806339There was no consequence for being evil in BG1 and 2 since you could just donate a few thousand gold to a temple and restore all of your reputation. I'm not going to bash those games too hard because they're old but an evil playthrough so far feels much better in this game outside of companion choice.
>>721806436What's the consequence of being evil in BG3 other than skipping content? Nothing.
>>721805598>should we take the mana system from 30 years or RPGs?>nah, let’s use the tabletop rules instead, and cantrips will reset when you rest
>>721806524>murder everyone>no one to give you questsWOOOOOOW
>>721806524You get new content, though. I didn't even know Minthara was a companion until I wiped out the grove and found her in a cell in act 2. So far the playthrough feels much different than my good playthrough. Nothing changes at all during an evil playthrough of BG1 and 2 besides a companion leaving if your rep gets too high/low. If it's too high, you just murder a random villager keep Edwin happy or some shit and no one cares.
>>721806068Act 1 feels like Act 1 of Witcher 3. Does anyone else feel that?
>>721806068>I never feel like my party is fulfilling.fax. all the companions blow dick. wheres the white human male knight/fighter bro companion and white female human companion?
>>721806614This. That's the consequence of being a dumb murder hobo orc like the anons ITT want to be. You can be evil without being a total retard about it.
>>721804956I played Diablo 1 and it's a completely fucking braindead game, the only time you ever have to think about what you're doing is when you get to Hell and you need some fire resist gear to deal with DiabloThat's literally it, the rest is just clicking monsters
>>721806068They’re not fulfilling because they’re all introduced straight from the outset and have no real incentive to push the story along. >but the tadpoleIf you take that out, what underlying urgency or narrative is there in the world?A better narrative would have framed the mindfkayers better in act 1.
>>721806796It's not a skinnerbox, though. You don't know what that word means. There are no farmable loot pinatas in Diablo 1 without having to completely start over.
>>721806643What new content do you get? Do you mean when the goblin lair dungeon gets replaced by a 10 min grove ordeal? That's not a beneficial deal, you only lose in that deal. Similarly you lose access to Jaheira's inn in Act 2. All this "new content" seems to lead to losing content.You can recruit Minthara even as a good character.
>>721806614An evil person wouldn't even accept quests to begin with. Waste of time and effort.
>>721806871I've seen plenty of new cutscenes and dialogue during my dark urge evil playthrough. It's certainly way more fleshed out than an evil BG1 or 2 playthrough where there is zero new content.
>>721806839A skinner box is where you put an animal in a box and it gets a reward when it presses a buttonThat's exactly what Diablo is
>>721806917so no content is skipped, by standing alone in the corner, evilishly
>>721799583Last time I played this I was in the castle. I save scummed so much such that a very small bad decision automatically leads to death. Should I start over?
>>721806930So by content you mean brief cutscenes here and there. So nothing substantial changes. You only lose in the big picture.You already admitted you haven't even played BG3 yet so worthless talking with you. At least in BG1 and BG2 you gained better access to companions and you didn't lose content. There was also a reputation system, something absent from BG3; there are only short-term consequences.Fuck you, brown-eyed ape.
>>721806991No it isn't. You can't farm enemies in Diablo 1 without completely starting a new game. In Diablo 2, you can farm meph over and over for items as if he's a loot pinata. That would be a more accurate skinnerbox. By your logic, every dungeon crawler is a skinnerbox if a monster can drop an item.
>>721807091another thread ruined by the BG schizo
>>721800113He's like a midpoint between being self-insertable and romanceable. The equivalent for straight /v/ men would be a cute tanned tomboy companion who half encompasses your own traits and half is the perfect wife.
>>721806839it doesn't matter if the gameplay is still dumb, which was the original point
>>721807114Who is the guy who doesn't know what a skinner box is exactly?
>>721806524The evil playthrough is surprisingly good fun, especially as Durge. It's in character, and if you don't go full murderhobo but instead get strategic with who you betray first, you actually squeeze more content out than from good runs
>>721807116Right, is this "BG schizo" in the room right now? When did you see him last time? You are the Reddit schizo who should go back.
>>721807116only if you keep replying to the retard once it's clear that he isn't arguing in good faith
>>721807216You're in every BG thread having a melty
>>721807170It's you. Diablo 1 is not a game where you focus on farming loot. You have to utilize whatever limited items drop and hope that you'll be strong enough to face Diablo by the end of the game. Is every rogue inspired game a skinnerbox to you?
>>721807236Proving you wrong with hard facts isn't "arguing in bad faith." It's objectively true Goblin Lair provides substantially more content and loot than the Grove assault. You'd know this, if you had ever played the game.No, but you instead choose to start whining that the other person "is not arguing in good faith and if he was, he'd see you were right all along." You're a fucking idiot any teacher would slap around the classroom for being such a ridiculous imbecile.
>>721807263>You have to utilize whatever limited items drop and hope that you'll be strong enough to face Diablo by the end of the game.You will be, like I said, the game requires no thought at all you just have to buy some fire resist gearYou seem to think skinner box means farming loot for some reasonCalling a game a skinner box is just a way of insulting it because literally all you do is perform an action to recieve a reward, no thought no skill
>>721807315You sound like you got bullied at school
>>721807256Where's the BG thread? I'd love to go to one. This one is Dragon Age: Baldur's Gay.The fact you are obsessed with some "BG schizo" tells me one thing: you are some dramaqueen who is here all the time, fighting constantly with people to the point you have started naming different anons. Go outside.
>>721806614Basically being a retard low INT in Fallout 1. Some quests will be restricted because you're too retarded.
>>721807390>You will be, like I said, the game requires no thought at all you just have to buy some fire resist gearAgain, you can't farm vendors either. They have randomized loot every even level so you have to hope that they sell gear with fire resist on it. There were some runs where I couldn't really get any resistance gear at all and I was just screwed. Diablo 1 is a way different game than Diablo 2 is but you seem to think they're the same thing. This is my last you I'm giving you. If you want to argue about Diablo, go make a thread.
>>721807486>Dragon Age: Baldur's Gay.yep its him
>>721807502>There were some runs where I couldn't really get any resistance gear at all and I was just screwed.Lol, so that makes it better somehow? The one strategy you have to employ not being available to you?I didn't say Diablo 2 was the same as 1, I was just saying it's a shit game
>>721807442That's what you call arguing in good faith? When I state an objective truth that the Goblin Lair gets replaced by the Grove, thus leading to a loss of substantial content, you say "you got bullied at school." That's good, reasonable arguing in your tiny mind? You need to go to school, perhaps then you wouldn't dream about abusing bears sexually. If you had any sense, you would agree with me, you donkey.
>>721799583Its just marvelslop writing.And I have this feeling that, despite how popular it was, the vast majority didn’t even finish Act 1.I’ve come to the conclusion that AAA will almost never make a cool game again.>>721800113no it doesnt, those women would also love to fuck chad IRL. Video games arent real.
>>721799583That's all left-wing games and media though.
>>721807606I literally do not care what you're arguing about nerd
>>721802104>The narrative, at least at the outset, is a typical tabletop setup filled with your typical cast of characters. My problem with the game was that it's actually not what you're saying. The story is absolutely not something a low level party should be doing. The whole plot is a high level or even epic level campaign, and this makes it jarring as fuck to anyone who knows a little bit about DnD.
Combat-wise, the game falls apart at the first major encounter. Fighting the goblins attacking the grove, the only aspect that is tutorialised is height advantage. But if we look at the actual fight, it’s a mess of things being introduced, being flanked by archers and status ailments being thrown at the player. It completely falls apart as a tutorial on anything, and the rest of the encounters in the game follow the exact same formula of “throw stuff one the screen”, save for a few boss enemies.
>>721807517People have been using Baldur's Gay for years, because the game is fucking gay. And yes, they aren't one person and I'm not one of them. You are some unhinged loser who desperately clings to some safe bubble. Wrong place for that.
>>721807720Out of all the complaints I've heard about BG3, not having tutorials is the dumbest oneFigure it out, it's turn based, you have all the time in the world
>>721799583Just like Divinity OS2.
>>721807660Then leave the bears alone, freak.
>>721807740You're an unhinged loser who shits up every Baldur's Gate thread on /v/ with the same garbage
>>721807571You don't seem to understand why I keep referring to loot. A skinnerbox game is not a garbage term. It's a specific thing. Here, let AI help you.
>>721807672One of the first genuine arguments against BG3 I've seen. Don't necessarily agree with you, but you're correct in some aspects.
>>721807672Yes but the setup is the same. >5 dudes meet in a tavern
>>721807720This is solely a zoomer problem. Back in the day we didn't have any in-game tuts at all, and most of the time didn't even have the manual and yet we managed to learn the game's mechanics.
>>721807792>Divinity OSFucking kek. Never heard it like this before.
>>721807846Larian games are a complete skinnerbox. Backpack simulator par excellence.
>>721807846A skinner box reward doesn't have to be random, but it often is to reenforce the behaviourI suggest you read an actual article on it instead of asking AI
>>721807775Characters have three fucking radial menus and all sorts of wards and spells. It’s way too much, but we already know the default response to that.
>>721806614>no one to give you questsAnd that's a good thing. Quests are the worst part of any RPG.
>>721807918Grinding for loot by killing meph over and over because the drop odds are so low is why Diablo 2 can apply but Diablo 1 cannot. Diablo 1 is just an isometric, real time dungeon crawler. Monsters don't respawn. You have to hope that the limited items that drop are good enough to make it through the game.
>>721807838How is that possible when I just had a long break from this site in general and I barely ever even visited BG3 threads. Because you can't argue, you have to invent these completely baseless strawman claims and go completely off-topic. What the fuck is your problem? Just because I said teachers slapped you around with pleasure doesn't mean I'm the loser; I wasn't slapped around, I was congratulated and praised and went ahead. You're the one who is fat, wears glasses and got left behind.
>>721807998I agree they have way too many skills but you really don't need a tutorial to figure out how to use themIt's a fuck around and find out sort of game
>>721799583Writing is pretty much a D&D session. It has its highs and its lows, strikes of genius and complete retardation. And some of the shitty writing/dialogue is carried by excellent VAPlay it on Honour mode
>>721807895“Back in the day” we had full 86 page manuals, strategy guides and GameFaqs ASCII art.
>>721808041You're right, but Diablo 1 is still a skinner box because it's built on an addictive pattern of kill enemy recieve reward repeat over and over again
>>721807998>>721807998>default responseI guess you have been called a "low IQ retard" quite often already? Did it ever occur to you that the people calling you that weren't using ad hominems but stating an actual fact?
>>721808048Must have confused you with that other guy who's in every BG thread and gets really mad about BG3 and says the original games are better and sounds like a complete fucking nerd having a passive aggressive spergout
>>721808094Diablo 1 isn't addictive, though. It's a game you play once or twice and put down for years. Diablo 2's slot machine mechanics make it way more of a skinnerbox. Bosses are loot pinatas and can be farmed over and over for items but all of the items are shit since good items are so rare.
>>721808086>ADHD riddled faggot couldn't read through a ~40 words paragraphYeah, you sure did read the "86 page manuals".
>>721807720the gamer has almost no tutorials, yes.you have to read. that doesn't mean the game "falls apart".
>>721808193It's addictive while you're playing itDiablo 2 is a more addictive game but they're both based on the same thing, clicking enemies over and over again to watch the death animation and make your number go up
>>721808175The original games are better. I personally know people who have said that and you see that being said here too, all the time. In fact, the vast majority of people actually into RPGs think BG3 is an overrated piece of shit. It's only popular among women, gays and gaming journalists. It's not a game for RPG players.
>>721808210We sure couldn't take any smartphone to the shitter yet, so why not?
>>721808257>having fun means a game is addictiveThat's your logic. I can beat Diablo 1 in 8 hours and not want to play it again for years. D2 acts like a slot machine. There are no slot machine mechanics in Diablo 1.
>>721808328Yeah you're the same guy, same dumb non-arguments
>>721808373Many games have you killing enemies to recieve rewards, the thing is Diablo strips away all skill and strategy, so at that point it's barely a game and just a skinner box
shadowheart x laezael forever!
make room for the superior waifu
>>721808483So by your logic, every game with simple combat is a skinnerbox. I'm done giving away free (yous). You have no idea what it means.
>>721808381You are mentally ill and you will never make it in life, evolutionary deadend. There's nothing controversial in saying BG2 is better than BG3 and if you think only one person in the world thinks so, you are completely out of your tiny mind. You can compare the games when it comes to loot table, map design, companion variety, atmosphere, writing quality and many other aspects and easily make a case for BG2. These are not non-arguments, BG2 objectively has more companions than BG3. And instead of cutscenes, it has focus on writing. They are not even the same kind of games. BG1 and BG2 are similar, BG3 is not. In your mind, this is impossible.Don't expect to reproduce. Go outside nonetheless, because you should breath some fresh air for the first time in a long time.
>>721808714*yawn*
>>721808682>You have no idea what it means.You literally don't know what it means, you thought it meant random lootCalling a game a skinner box is an insult, because it implies all you do is press the button to get the thing, which is what all Diablo games are
>>721808714>arguments of a holediscarded
>>721808714>There's nothing controversial in saying BG2 is better than BG3Sure but you can give well-reasoned arguments as to why, but you can't do that. Like this>BG2 objectively has more companions than BG3. And instead of cutscenes, it has focus on writing.BG3 has way more writing than BG2 does, BG2 is mostly a combat game with dialogue taking a back seat. It's just wrong
>>721808381Also, schizo, let me tell you something: if you knew anything about RPGs, you'd know that Larian was always shit-talked for their low quality of writing. Divinity games had tons of le quirky zoomer humor. BG3 is not made by 00's peak Bioware, BG3 is made by Larian, a team full of people who never even played the OG BG games. These are two different beasts. This isn't some controversial opinion only one person in the world has, this is painfully obvious.
>>721800113>It goes against my (brainrot nonsense)Touch grass moment
>>721808787Final (you)>How "Skinner Box" Design Works in Games>Conditioning: >Games use schedules of reinforcement and punishment to condition players to repeat specific actions, like grinding for in-game items or completing repetitive tasks.This isn't how Diablo 1 works at all. Monsters are finite. You can't farm them. Random Rewards:Mechanics like loot boxes or variable ratio reinforcement schedules provide random rewards for actions, similar to a slot machine.Not Diablo 1. That is farming meph over and over in Diablo 2. You can't do that in Diablo. Progress Bars and Goals:Games often use progress bars or a series of smaller, achievable tasks to make the next reward seem within reach, creating a loop of completion and desire for the next reward.This describes every game where you gain levels so basically every single RPG ever made. Dopamine and Endorphins:Completing tasks and achieving goals triggers dopamine, the "feel-good" chemical, which encourages players to repeat the successful actions. This only applies when you level.Addiction:The combination of variable rewards, progression systems, and psychological manipulation can lead to game addiction and excessive spending. Again, that only applies when you level so every RPG ever made. The conditioning and random rewards by pulling the slot machine over and over makes a game a skinnerbox. Simple combat doesn't make a game a skinnerbox. By that logic, every JRPG is a skinnerbox, too, or any dungeon crawler.
>>721808939That's true, but BG3 is a big step up from Larian's previous stuff
>>721808939just because the voices in your head shit talked Larian, doesn't mean that everyone did it
>>721809079You should be embarassed at yourself for quoting an AI as an authority on a topicSkinner box is not a formal game design term, it's an insult. A game having no skill requirement makes it a skinner box
>>721809160You should be embarrassed that you think skinnerbox design just means simple thing you don't like. I could copy and paste tons of posts from google that all say the same thing about how it's about slot machine mechanics and loot boxes. Just admit that you're a fucking retard.
>>721808873Do you realize you are the one who started talking about if BG1/BG2 are better than BG3 as a whole? I didn't bring that up. I don't have the responsibility of arguing for the theses you pick. You are claiming there is some other anon who does that, which means you should go talk to him. Don't ask me to argue for the theses you choose. I explained why evil playthroughs in BG3 are meaningless with very well-reasoned arguments and you went completely off-topic right after. Now, I could start a new argument on behalf of why both BG1/BG2 are better than BG3 because that's a claim I also agree with, but why should I bother with you? You are clearly unhinged, stupid and obviously don't even have an academic degree. Why should I bother with you?
>>721809291A skinner box, at its core, is do thing, get reward. You can go to the Wikipedia article on it and read this yourself. It's called operant conditioning. Skinner boxes facilitate addiction. So do random rewards, and progress bars, and things like that, so you use random rewards in your skinner box game to make it even more addictive.
>>721804494>>721804494>>721804494This is minthara erasure
>>721809082D:OS2 is actually better than BG3 because at least in D:OS2 you could ignore the cringe writing and only focus on the funny little battle system they made.
>>721809318Nah I'm just saying you're the same angry schizo who ruins every BG thread>obviously don't even have an academic degree.You literally said this last time I talked to you lmao
>>721800113Women love psychopaths. Vampires are just a fantasy flavour of that.
I don’t understand the combat. I have no idea what causes attack hit rates and miss rates or what spell slots are, what initiative is. I’m guessing people that know DnD are fine, and everyone else just looks up guides?
Seeing those threads I always imagine gamers would have their own lil civil war if Larian ever released some "The making of BG3" documentary that shows exactly who caused what to (dis)appear in the game, kek
>>721809676its tied to one of your stats, the spell or class will say which one it is
>>721809478anyone who isn't a drooling retard will tell you that BG3 is overall the best crpg ever made. there are things that other games do better, but simply stating shit like "BG2 is better than BG3" is a clear sign of a schizo, troll or a retard. so why do you keep replying? I bet you like arguing with him
>>721809478Then who is the anon who is arguing BG1/BG2 are better games? I don't remember ever arguing for that, except now, when you brought it up. Nonetheless, I'm not surprised to hear you get mocked here by everyone and I was away for a year. I don't visit BG3 threads, this one caught my attention because somebody was calling it "well-produced" when in reality its development was a messy shitfest and they cut out a lot of content.
>>721809738>I bet you like arguing with himsure i do
>>721809769You trying to deny samefagging so hard only makes it more obvious bro, and our last conversation where you pulled out your "you don't have a degree" ultimate finisher was only a few months ago
>>721809738I find it ironic that it's always the drooling retards who can't even write who glorify BG3 when it's a 4/10 AAA slop game. You should have basic literacy if you are going to judge RPGs, just saying.
>>721809859It's funny that you think RPGs are about "writing"If you want writing read a book
>>721809738>anyone who is a drooling retard will tell you that BG3 is overall the best crpg ever madeFTFY
>>721808126It’s too much information. I won’t even start on the levelling up process.
>disable karmic dice (enabled by default)>AC no longer arbitrarily fucked>game is much easier but works as intendedlmao
>>721808210Back in the day, you’d learn the entire battle system and the lore of every single enemy on the car ride home.
>>721808235What are you meant to fucking read if there are no tutorials
>>721809984tooltips
>>721799583I thought about replaying it, but I understood that there's nothing in it for me - I don't like the possible companions, the setting is fucking Faerun and the plot was written by an idiot. From time to time I can replay games like Arcanum or Baldur's Gate, but BG3 simply isn't worthy of any other play style than solo speedrun and won't reward you if you try.It's a bad game, terrible CRPG and shit story.
>>721810002Tooltips of what the game doesn’t tutorialise anything
>>721810070Your abilities, mainlyalso your class
>>721809817I'm not denying anything, maybe I am the same person? I wouldn't remember, because I haven't been around, but you are also accusing me of things I certainly couldn't have done, which tells me you are still confusing me with other people, because you have a lot of enemies. But if you think I'm here all the time, then you're obviously mistaken. I'm not surprised to hear other people call you stupid as well, you have clearly dropped out of the life wagon a long time already.
>>721807672This is the first real criticism I've seen. The other 'criticisms' are just fags being fags
>>721810020This
I just keep dying over and over in battles, then I save scum and flank everyone and just get lucky on some rolls when attacking. This is ass. This fucking sucks.
>>721810102You were literally in the last BG thread I was inDon't try to do deny it, you're too socially retarded to pretend to be anything else, you write like a bullied nerd
>>721810070You read the tooltips of item and class abilities, then apply brain power and then look you understand 90% of the game
>>721800113>It goes against all the Red Pill podcasts I’ve watched over the years.I think we found your problem
>>721807856How can you even disagree with that? Even worse, how can you dis/agree with some, but not all? What a worthless post.
>>721810141welcome to D&D, it's just fucking dice rolls
>>721810141how are you dying in this game? just stealth and get the surprise attack and you steamroll all fights
>>721810170Sorry, but I don't really give a shit what somebody said about me or what I said about some other person three months ago online, you shouldn't either. If I checked out this thread months ago, stumbled across you and concluded you're a fucking idiot and let you know that you are, then zero regrets, because clearly I was right. If somebody else did that, then great, they were right also. But everything else you say is completely untrue, I don't have a personal beef with BG3, it's just an overrated slopfest to me.
>>721810475you really need to get pushed into a locker again
>>721810548There's not a locker wide enough for my wide shoulders and huge muscles. Have you seen me crush a can? I can do it with my pinkie alone.
Fuck off shill
>>721810141>I just keep dying over and over in battlesAnon everything is pretty well leveled for your character/party. Every act has tougher fights and easier fights. If you're getting your shit pushed in go another direction. The only act one fight I found really rough was when you fight that gang of gnolls and you've got a couple niggers who can attack three times a turn. But even then, just use the landscape to your advantage.Respec shadowfart into a healer/buff caster (trickery domain is kind of a shit cleric class, go with life or death domain). I played through as my glass cannon monkcel character from table top with pretty much that party for the whole game and was able to moonwalk through most encounters.
>>721809676Your chance to his is your proficiency bonus if it applies+ relevant stat modifier + any modifier from feats/fighting styles vs your opponents armour class. you roll a 20 sided die and then add your chance to hit to the result and if the number is equal to or higher than the opposing armour class you hit. This also applies to you when you get hit by an attack that goes up against armour class. Save roles are are the chance to ward off status effects or reduce damage from certain AoEs and use the modifier of the relevant stat + your proficiency bonus(if it applies), you hit the DC or go above it then you suceed the save roll.Spell slots are literally just the amount of times you can cast spells at each spell level per long rest. Think of it as ammunition that reloads when you sleep. Initiative is turn order and is determined by rolling a d20(in BG3 its a d4 for some god forsaken reason) + dexterity + proficiency bonus if it applies. The higher the roll the sooner the character acts in combat.
>>721810608>still undisputedPowerful.
man, this thread made me want to start a new playthrough
>>721810687I don't get why the schizos keep posting it as a btfo for BG3
>>721810696Guess what I just did?say what you will abouit 4chins, but threads like this are always ideal for making suffering through the mandatory hour of mod updating
>>721810782Because BG3 fans are women who don't understand how reasoning works.
>>721810782I've never read it as a "BTFO for BG3", just a hypocrisy or double-standard as some people take one side while holding the other (e.g. bear isn't bestiality, but child is pedo). The point clearly (I thought it's clear) is that both are fucked and disgusting.
>>721810696This thread is filled with retards bitching about how BG3 isn't BG2 or some shit. It's real dumb.
>>721810871I assure you BG3 zoomers that BG3 would have been a much better game if it had been a proper BG2 sequel and not a completely different product.
>>721810975I like BG2 and 1, also. I'm 40 years old and enjoy BG3. Want me to post my BG2 character?
>>721810975>a proper BG2 sequelHow do you make a sequel to a game where you hitt level 20 and ascend to godhood exactly?
>>721811018>Want me to post my BG2 characters?How about jumping off the cliff instead?
>>721811059Post your BG2 character to prove that you play the game right now or stop posting.
This story is a fucking mess. I’m turning this off. There’s no narrative throughput and there’s just quests littered everywhere and new avenues keep popping up left and right. RPG writing died in 2013 or something with Mass Effect 3, and it never recovered.
>>721811043Ever heard of MotB? You just have to have talent, so I guess Larian never had the chance lol.
>>721811043I mean a sequel format-wise, not story-wise. There'd be a new story, but it'd still be a BG experience. So less Divinity, more BG.
>>721811134>Ever heard of MotBNo, explain it to me
>>721811129It's sad, but true.
Nothing wrong with the writing up till act 2, combat is fine too if so a bit uninspired.>>721800113Women love all the male characters and some of the female too, Karlach in particular
>>721810669How do you know all this? Is this dnd handbook stuff
>>721811146You mean a real-time with pause game? I don't think that would have worked, people do not play RTS games anymore
>>721811195Use this post for instructions then >>721811059
>>721811228Karlach swears too much. It’s not very ladylike.
>>721811273get a load of this edgelord
>>721810975I assure you, pseud zoomer, that BG3 would be absolute shit, if any existing studio other than Larian made it
>>721810141Bro are you seriously saying you're getting filtered by bg3?Wow this younger generation is actually retarded
>>721811248I'm open to both RTwP and turn-based, doesn't matter to me, as long as the system is well-executed. What matters is an open world (not a maze) map design with a sense of freedom, adventure and a ton of available companions to provide the essential Baldur's Gate experience. Not Dragon Age. Baldur's Gate.
>>721811408that's not the "essential Baldurs Gate experience" thats "what I like"
>>721809676read the combat log.
>>721811370Yes. I’m not here to impress anyone on 4channel (reset era 2.0). In fact, I’m more manly than you are for admitting failures. You? You probably save scummed, full of mods and have a guide open at all times. I’m better than you at being worse at the game.
>>721811473Wrong, because there wouldn't be a Baldur's Gate experience without those elements. I'm open to tweaking the combat system, but the core idea of an open world with freedom and heavy companion support is essential and what set the series apart from other games.There's no BG in BG3.
>>721811623You're a narcissist who thinks you're the center of the worldI could say that the "core experience" of BG was real-time with pause combat
>>721811332I wasn't pretending to be a zoomer, but nonetheless, I'd say Larian couldn't have made a proper BG sequel even if they had tried. But at least they should have tried to understand the series before hijacking the name.
>>721811623Baldur's Gate is literally in BG3. btw what you're asking for is trash encounters in an empty map between points of interest. this is the BG2 experience you're asking for
>>721811670You could say that. And I'd even agree with you and say that's a fair position, which in turn means I'm not a narcissist. It's just something I'd be willing to change myself, because it could use improvement. But there are more things than just combat that set BG apart; tons of RTwP games that aren't BG games.
>>721811830Baldur's Gate as a series does not really have a strong identity, there's lots of Infinity Engine games
>>721800113He may be effeminate, but he's also confident and the most likely male love interest to murder them at some point, which women love. He's the bad boy they get to fix by the end if the story.
>>721811742>Baldur's Gate is literally in BG3Then you don't understand what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about physical locations, I'm talking about format. And if we were talking about physical locations, then that would be arguable, because BG3's version of the city strays far from the original vision.Trash encounters are in every RPG, including BG3. I'm not specifically asking for it, it is what it is. And I never said games shouldn't be improved. You should keep the format and make it better. If you take a 2D fighting game, you are ought to make it a better fighting game, not change it into a 3D fighting game.
What's the best class to play as for the party leader?I tried Fighter, but there are so many checks that the Fighter had no skill in that it felt out of place. Plus Lae'zel is a Fighter.
>>721811714did Bioware hijack the name? because everything that you attribute to Baldur's Gate (the game) came directly from them. Larian adding a different flavour is neither lack of understanding nor hijacking of the series. I'm glad they didn't try to copy Bioware
>>721812026paladin
>>721799583The combat seems fine, just ridiculously easy with certain classes
>>721811520You are right, there is no worse scum than people who use walkthroughs.
>>721812091what subclass is most fun?
>>721812026Cleric
>>721812021>I'm not talking about physical locationsyou don't understand when you're being made fun of.>Trash encounters are in every RPG, including BG3false. play the game first before talking about it
>>721800113Because the redpoll podcasts are completely side tracked on what women actually like. Redpill podcasts only exist to satisfy the male need of approval just like feminist garbage podcasts satisfy women. Astarion isn't bad looking for women, he's arrogant, cruel and a vampire. Here you have it.
>>721812140doesn't really make much of a difference
>>721812176I thought about it but Shadowheart is already the party cleric/cumdump.
>>721811961Well, if you compare BG to NWN, then clearly there are differences. NWN is more railroaded while BG is more about freedom.
There’s 0 level design in combat encounters. You get into these situations where you’re fighting in a laundry closet and half your party is outside the building and no one has any spells left.
>>721812220Cleric has a lot of variety in the subclasses
>>721811241Game has tool tips + I played Solasta + I own the 2014 player's handbook + plus I'm clinically insane
>>721812178What RPG doesn't have trash encounters? Name one. Don't name BG3, because it is filled with them. Basically every fight between bosses is trash you quickly dispose of if you know how to play the game. You know how to play the game, do you?
>>721812220Just use a different subclass
>>721812315In BG3 the bosses are easier than the regular enemies
>>7218120261 level in everything to cover your bases
>>721812342Alright, but how come?
>>721799583Weebs will say BG3 has bad wiring then proceed to cry and clap like a seal at their shitty JRPGs lmao
>>721812315you are simply wrong, my dude. every encounter is hand-craftet. this is one of the things that elevates BG3 from other crpgs. I can't name other RPGs. other than BG3, because there are none
>>721812420Because they're not immune to statuses and cheese, and because fighters are extremely OP and can chug a speed potion and down any single target in 1 turn
>>721812440I can't remember a single JRPG where >*farts*is a line in dialogue.
>>721812026You don't really need to worry about your character doing every check since you can swap out other characters who might be more tuned to that skill. Like if you have a warlock on your party, there's no good reason to not have them take care of the things that need charisma. Really though I wouldn't worry about it, you're not supposed to be able to do everything in a single run.
>>721811520>>721811520>Manly>Video gamesJesus what a fag. BG3 is fairly simple compared to pathfinder or even older cRPGs. It's simple because it's turn based so you have all the time in the world to plan out fight.Also don't save potions or arrows hell don't save 90% of consumables
>>721812539Speaking of Warlocks, the character I made in my current/latest run was Warlock and I knew from the start they focus on CHA, but why? Somehow making a deal with a demon makes you the most charismatic person. What? How does being some goofy spellcaster make you charismatic?
>>721812606The attribute system of D&D doesn't make any sense
>>721812476I don't care if they are hand-crafted or not, they get sliced down within seconds anyway if you have a clue what you are doing. All combat encounters have been designed in some fashion in every RPG, doesn't make them difficult.Besides, BG3 combat encounters are basically D:OS/D:OS2 encounters, except a lot easier. And in D:OS you had the teleport skill to abuse, which made them easier than they should've been.
>>721800582>The voice acting, motion capture during dialogueI watched videos and it's unironically shityou're high
>>721812523>complains about reddit writing>makes reddit 'checkmate atheist' tier rebuttal
>>721812420Because of how 5E balancing works, a group of varied "weak" enemies will always outperform a single damage-sponge with gimmicksYou can basically tell how difficult each encounter will be by how varied the enemy classes are, more than anything else
>>721812523
>>721812496>>721812706Don't most boss fights in BG3 involve a group of trash mobs though? I haven't counted, but that's what I'd say.
>>721812249That's a personal issue which is solved by not having everyone be a spell caster and having consumables like grenades
>>721812779yes, that's the only way they're actually difficultin most of them you can literally take out the boss on turn 1 then deal with the trash as normal
>>721812649>I don't care if they are hand-crafted or notwell, I do and anyone who doesn't like diablo clones or their time wasted with filler, in other words, shit game design
what's the best class if i want to make a targaryen princess?
>>721812726Is this Digimon? So BG3 and Digimon are the same quality?
>>721812831Sorry, but trash mobs are time-wasting filler in every RPG. Not a single difficult fight in BG3. Try strategy games.
>>721812843Who's that on the right?
So I can’t figure out shit about the combat right, and I’ve been playing autistic RPGs for 50 years. But fucking Johnny Normie can come in and clear the game easy and also thinks it’s game of the year or something. Either I’m stupid or everyone puts the game on Casual with the FAQ open in another tab. There is no way reviewers figured all this shit out when they can’t even jump in cuphead, and then give it 9.8/10.
>>721812779Yea just wait for Viconia DeVir
>>721812924Have you been formally diagnosed with autism?
>>721812971>Emma D'ArcyNevermind. What a shame.
>>721812924it's not about difficulty, it's about variety and respect of the player's time
>>721812987No. Have you? Because you are the one insisting trash mobs are difficult in this one super casual mainstream game while insisting they are easy time-filler everywhere else. Why can't you just admit the truth, be fair and recognize it's the same shit.If you struggle with it, fine, but don't get angry when others don't share your struggles.
>>721813105I'm not involved in this discussion I'm just observing that you're incredibly obtuse and unpleasant towards every single person in the thread
>>721812975I bet many reviewers simply knew DnD mechanics
>>721812649If someone wanted build autism and buff autism, they could just go play WotR or something. BG3 is casual slop and it's better that way, like macaroni cheese with bacon. In ten years it will be remembered as being no deeper or more cerebral than Skyrim, but people will remember enjoying it nonetheless
>>721813180>>721812975You do not need to know how to play BG3 to succeed. You can just stumble through the game, it's very random, you can keep reloading until you get lucky
>>721813050>respect of the player's timeIf your time was worthy of any respect, you would not game
>>721813050Sorry, but how is trash mobs taking longer equal to respecting the player's time? When everybody knows you are going to absolutely crush those enemies anyway.
>>721812971Hunter Schafer
>>721813231No RPG is remembered as "deep and cerebral"
>>721813153Yes, I'm obtuse and unpleasant by stating that trash encounters are trash encounters. Meanwhille you are very polite and pleasant by claiming a person has autism if he recognizes x is x. I'd be more pleasant if you showed any signs of intelligence.
>>721813370No you're obtuse and unpleasant by the way you talk to other peopleYou really sound autistic, you should get that checked out
>>721813249Lmao what a sperg
>>721812975I figured why on my third playthrough. Basically gamer brain will make you try to metagame without realizing, and doing so skips content that gives you the most convenient items and equipment to deal with the gameIt's basically being too familiar with games to slow down and run into the handouts Act 1 throws at you. If you play a completionist run you're basically OP by the time you reach Act 2
>>721813237This is exactly what I do in fights. Just reload until something hits. Hyena going off to call a friend and miss? Just reload. Goblin going off and using a horn? Just reload.
>>721813231Reasonable, pleasant post. BG3 is definitely casual slop.
>>721813249>If your time was worthy of any respectirrelevant. Larian respects it anyway>Sorry, but how is trash mobs taking longer equal to respecting the player's time?I didn't say that
I guess this is what I get for turning off Karmic Dice, man.
>>721812649>Besides, BG3 combat encounters are basically D:OS/D:OS2 encounters, except a lot easier. And in D:OS you had the teleport skill to abuse, which made them easier than they should've been.Sounds like what you call filler is what everyone considers the meat of the game. It's fun to curbstomp an eight-man squad of useless goblins with your new fighter build for that run, that's what I open up the game for
>>721813550skill issue
>>721812606>Somehow making a deal with a demon makes you the most charismatic personI always saw it as the other way around. Only the most charismatic could make a deal with a devil that isn't immediately some self destructive wishmaster kind of thing. Basically this elder god/demon/primordial being thinks you're so fucking cool, and that they don't mind you kicking ass in their name, so you give them some abilities. Also charisma isn't just about being a sexy smooth talker, its about your presence and how people react to you.Charisma can be used to intimidate, threaten, and lie. All things that would be virtues to eldrich abominators and infernal beings. Also a balance thing I guess. Sorcerers using charisma is the one I always found weird. Always thought it should have used wisdom.
>>721813410Sorry, princess, but I'm not here to be a therapist, so if I somehow hurt your feelings, please take a deep breath and deal with it yourself. And yes, I just called you a princess, which is a lot nicer than autist, so you are still the unpleasant one.
>>721813712you need a therapist
>>721813584The meat of the game is theorycrafting. You wouldn't get it.
>>721813584>And in D:OS you had the teleport skill to abuseReminds me to bitch why the damn teleportpyramid mod is getting updated. Works fine when you just drop them, but crashes if you try and throw them? WTF?
It's really insane the hypocrisy and double standards people employ just to act contrarian towards BG3.They whine about handcrafted, unique, memorable, challenging encounters and bossfights while simultaneously praising JRPGs where you just mash one button against endless random encounters against digimon reject pile trashmobs, or CRPGs where combat consists of just mashing one button repeatedly against hordes of copy-pasted trashmobs.They whine about charming, relatable, downright funny writing that alao knows when to take itself seriously with heartfelt moments, and compelling companions while simultaneously praising childish, tropish, poorly translated JRPG garbage with bland archetypal companions.They whine about extreme player choice, freedom, reactivity, and interactivity while simultaneously praising on-rail JRPGs with zero interactivity, reactivity, or freedom where progression just involves speaking to every Tom, Dick, and Harry in town to arbitrarily lift som invisible progression gate.
There must have been some Chinese investment conspiracy as to why it won GOTY.
>>721813740My feelings aren't hurt, I'm just talking about the game, relax, princess. Meanwhile you are the one rushing in with your insults. So I'll assume you had your monitor turned off when you wrote that sentence. Take your own advice and smile a little.
>>721813880Veilguard was handcrafted too. Was it good? No.
>>721813880>bland archetypal companions>bg3 has a token black character
>>721813768>theorycraftingLiterally ruins EVERY game without fail
>>721813768Nerd shit
>>721813880It's just 3 samefags that do this every day for years on end.
>>721813915god you're autistic
>>721814007RPGs are supposed to be nerd shit... But you wouldn't get it.
>>721813584>play my true neutral monkcel >wander into goblin camp>they're not immediately hostile >wander around and and chat with them >realize I like these doods and I don't really want to fight them My biggest disappointment with the game is that despite all the variations it accounts for, there aren't a lot of "third way" paths in the game. The choices themselves are usually pretty binary.
>>721814005thats the point of the game
>>721814042Thank you, Mrs. Polite and Pleasant. I wish you a pleasant day.
>>721813894China didn't even notice, they save their energy to seethe when Wukong didn't win>>721813991Tbf Wyll was an entirely different beast in Early Access. They toned his character down because a violent, short-fuse, morally-grey black man was too much for the playtesters or something
I made a Latina character based on Xochitl. She’s a Ranger and I’m having a blast. Just finished Act 1.
>>721811303She's a big hit with bisexual women (most of them)
>>721799583 If it was "well produced" wouldn't those aspects be good?
>>721814112>they're not immediately hostilepretty sure you have to pass a roll on the bridge for them to let you through and wander in their camp
>>721810608This proves BG3 cult is not capable of logic. They just want political manifests, not good games.
>>721814112They spent a lot of money and time on the graphics and physics, I'm surprised they even got as deep as they did for Act 1.>>721814094Again - why is this a complaint? This is a chill game by normalfags, for normalfags. At most, if someone thinks it's too shallow they can dive deeper with other CRPGs, if not they stay out of your hobby. Who cares?
>>721814448You always write polite, pleasant and reasonable posts.
>>721814307Just like Rosie Odonnel, at a bisexual bridal shower
>>721810608>If you can fuck bears I should be able to fuck childrenI've always been curious about how much CP this guy probably has on his computer
>>721814448>I'm surprised they even got as deep as they did for Act 1.It was in early access for a while, so the first act is super front loaded. Act 2 feels pretty railroaded (which is fine, it diegetic). I also went into the game mostly blind to anything about BG3 besides it being a baldurs gate game, made by larian, and I was a little disappointed that I hit the level cap before I got into the city proper, and its so fucking dense in content and quests that it becomes frustrating because your lizard brain knows there isn't any reward besides more gold and crap you don't need.
Why did they say no to an expansion? Literally the easiest free money they could have made.
>>721814896Clearing Act 1 (100%) takes 10 hours without any kind of speedrunning, it's not really that front-loaded.
>>721814901You get the impression they weren't fond of working with WotC and wanted to move on
>>721814901The game was so unpopular that they decided against it.
>reach act 3>forgot all about the Goyforge and Underdark (even though I went to them and grabbed a waypoint, thinking I'll get to them soon)Should I just restart?
>>721815037I like default Durge, I hope WotC keep him as canon protag at least
>>721814039For you to know that, that'd require you to be here every day for years on end.
>>721815124I doubt there's going to be another Baldurs Gate. People aren't going to care if it's not Larian abd Karian doesn't want to do it.
>>721815057No, save it for the second playthrough. You need zero stuff from it to stomp the finale, even on Tactician
>>721814901the story was finished. more content would mean remaking other quests, or adding insignificant side content. doesn't seem worth it
>>721814901There was a lot of content that got added with updates.I suspect Hasbro and the shit they had been pulling had a lot to do with it too. And honestly, if nothing else, god bless a game that doesn't try to infinitely financially milk the audience. They did really well with EA, and when the game released it was a breakout hit, and did better than expected. And if they just focus in the next thing, even normalfags will recognize the studio name and give it more consideration than they would for some literal whos.
>>721815201So you absolutely hated Witcher 3 DLC, huh?
>>721815187>People aren't going to care if it's not LarianYou have an awfully high opinion of people. Millions will buy BG4 for the brand alone whether it's good or not, thanks to 3.
>>721815153I check in on BG3 a few times a month and it's all the same retards derailing threads with the same schizo nonsense.
>>721815380Yeah right
>>721815201>the story was finished. >more content would mean remaking other quests, or adding insignificant side content. There's a lot of travel time between the acts to fit a detour expansion.>>721815237A couple of expansions is hardly milking
>>721815187People don't give a shit about Larian and that's why they had to steal BG's name to sell their homo bear sex 'game'
>>721815421I'm only here right now because I'm doing an evil dark urge playthrough. I haven't played the game since release.
>>721815201DESU I can take or leave the BG3 party. They're alright, cringe at times, funny at others, and ultimately their arcs are not that deep and are fully explored by the end of the game.But I like the gameplay and the build variety, I just want more of that even if it's with a completely different crew in a completely different place
>>721805669>Man it really doesn't make sense why no one wants to associate with a murder hobo psychopath like me>I'll slaughter them all for thisReal mystery innit
>>721815283Nah, depending on the genre normies are more aware of the importance of developer vs name brand. Like if it was a popular shooter no one would care but normies see Larian as "The studio that actually makes fun CRPGs".
>>721805669>If you play "evil," you will just skip and lock yourself out of all the content.If you play smart-evil, you don't. For example, if you plan to side with goblins, exhaust the grove of content before you make the raid. It's well in-character for a Bhaalist at heart, anyway.
>>721815260I liked heart of stone (because of better writing than the main game). vacation in Italy, not so much>>721815435>There's a lot of travel time between the acts to fit a detour expansion.maybe. I just think that it would take a lot of effort, not easy money
>>721803590>There's nothing mature or conservative about a vampire walking around in broad daylighThis is explained in game and is something the characters talk about. Also in my ending Astarion burned in the sun.
Man, this guy such a cooler vampire than our companion. I almost gave Astarion to him but I RPd as a good wizard and his staff is nice.
>>721815626Andromeda and Veilguard sold heavily on brand alone, and BG3 is in that same market now. They will 100% give whoever is next "a chance"
>>721815796>Andromeda and Veilguard sold heavily on brand aloneNo they didn't. Both those games flopped
>>721815757Still funny to me that he was originally supposed to be some Fu Manchu type
>>721814975>without any kind of speedrunningYou underestimate my ability to dick around, pixel hunt, try to explore every nook and cranny, and to run between vendors 30 times selling every piece of 1gold trash I filled up on. What I mean by frontloading is there's a lot of character stuff that happens, and a lot of alignment related stuff and alternate paths between things. Like if you just go rescue halsin early you bypass a lot of the grove stuff. Inside the grove there are a lot of mini-factions and conversations that give you an opportunity to show your character. Like how when you talk to the tiefling kids training against the dummies and depending on background/class/feats you can inspire or discourage them in different ways. There's a lot of stuff like that, and the farther you get into the game the more those thin out, and quests turn into fetching stuff, and fighting monsters in the sewers.
>>721815856I meant that out of what they did sell, the majority definitely bought from brand, not from anything else in the marketing
>>721815510Suuuuure
>>721803590>Shut the fuck up, BG3 as a whole is zoomercore.Dude The Twilight Saga is millennial core
>>721815856Like BG3.
>>721815993You don't even need to visit BG3 threads to see the same schizos. They spam their Chinese bot farm nonsense in other threads too because they want to try and force a meme.
Do people actually role play? I just roleplay as myself.
>can't recruit Viconia>can't romance JaheiraI just wanted old school party in BG3...You can have Minsc in your party right? I'm guessing Boo isn't alive (or he has a replacement). I forgot.
>>721816034That's womancore.
>>721815757I honestly never used him outside of his quests. I took care of all the lock picking and dex checks, so he would have been redundant. If only the game had a slightly higher level cap so multi-classing didn't feel like gimping a character.
So was he based?
>>721816076I role play as one of the schizos in a BG3 thread and make choices (in game) according to their reasoning. basically dark urge playthrough
>>721816168Weeb FF14 character like all the other BG3 characters.
>>721816168He's the only likeable of the three. Orin suits a vastly different role (playable Durge-like) and/or game (where she isn't shackled up and can bloodlet as she likes).
>>721815972Those that cared enough about Dragon Age name brand to ignore the obvious flaws aren't normies though. Normies only recognize name brands like FIFA and CoD and then they play like 1-3 other games.
>better than peak Bioware dialogue/interaction>extremely close 5e sim>Looks great, runs great (except act 3)>Fucktons of content, hundreds of hours>Full online multiplayer with LAN and direct connectIt earned its success
>>721816076A bit. It's harder in the Durge runs because you're very obviously an established character, kind of like Revan>>721816087Yes you can, but only if you kept Jaheira alive up to Act 3>>721816136I reclassed him as a barbarian for multiple runs, it works very well
It's boring for noobs because it doesn't actually explain what to do with all these mechanics. Just throws a bunch of info at you and expects you to put it all together and create a gameplay out of it.
>>721799583The combat is solid.Very good encounter design. Some silly unbalanced changes to mechanics.But writing...Yeah, it might be the worst written main plot I experienced. At least in the "overbloated muh epic mess" and "absolute WTF" categories.
>>721816276I mean semi-normies. They put themselves above the GTA-FIFA horde, watch capeshit and Star Wars, and tend to own a Switch. The ones that own a PC were a big target market for BG3.
>>721816278It's a good game but I don't think it's as replayable as BG1 and 2. The gauntlet of shar filters me upon replays. The traps are so fucking annoying and tedious to disarm that it's insane.
>>721816350Established characters are easier to roleplay depending on the game. With Durge you're given the actual dynamic of "Indulge vs Resist" in regards to the Urge on top of all the same options as a Tav.Your options as Tav are generally fairly generic class/race/morality dialogue options and then you're just left imagining your own Backstory or how your character felt about stuff but that's hardly relevant. I never got the appeal of Blank Slates from a roleplay perspective. It's supposed to feel like PnP but no game, even the most developed CRPG, has emulated the total creative freedom of tabletop
>>721816278>better than peak Bioware dialogue/interactionThat's just false. Zoomer writing and horrible main plot. It's not all bad, but when it's bad, it's BAD.>extremely close 5e simThere is some changes and all are for the worse.Wizard needs 1 level in cleric to get all his spells, what the actual fuck. And why would you boost haste.Play Solasta if you want 5ed sim....Still, good encounter design!
>>721816438BG3's finale is straight from Dragon Age: Inquisition which says a lot.
>>721816619>The gauntlet of shar filters me upon replaysThe only one that gave me any trouble solving blind was the one where the floor is shadows, and then I just drank a potion of flight and hopscotched from the lit areas.
>>721816517I honestly wouldn't be surprised if most people who bought Andromeda or Veilguard did so ironically.
>>721816946I mean just the normal traps that you disarm with a dice roll. There are so many of them that it's tiring.
Also the writing is just boring. Did you know that I've just fapped to a 3dcg porno? Probably not. Did you care to know? Probably not. Well that's the way it works for me in BG3, all these sidequests and stories are just neither relatable to me, nor interesting by themselves Just random magical people having their random magical problems. I've completed like 2/3 of them and every time I was like "... so what?" It was like I was consuming trivia or factoids all this time. The only time I've actually completed the game was when I cheated inf health and simply killed everything that moves, at least that had some fun.
What were the best and worst moments, writing-wise?
>>721817210It sounds like you just don't enjoy dialogue heavy CRPGs. You could try playing a dungeon crawler instead.
>>721817210sounds like you have autism
>>721799583The writing alone made me drop it 3 hours in. It's clearly made by and for actual reddit faggots.
>>721817270I'm actually more of a FPS player. I'm too stupid to enjoy CRPGs or RTS games, although I would like to.>>721817320I probably have brain problems.
>>721817241>BestJaheira joining my party.>WorstKarlach somehow magically knowing I helped destroy the Grove when she was nowhere around, nowhere to be seen, and then is upset the instant she sees me, later on in the game.
>>721817006I want to say my character's dex was so high that I could only fail those with a critical, and since shadowtits is there you can just have advantage on all those rolls. I also might just be forgetting about it, last time I played was when they released the final big patch.
>>721817241>WorstMost of the main plot and all things related to it?>BestAct 1 Auntie Ethel is just a classic top-quality side adventure. It's not really the writing, it's the sum of all things. A witch, living in a witch swamp, with a witch dungeon full of witchy dangers to explore. She even fights in witchy ways.
>>721817403>FPSGot any single player FPS recommendations?
>>721816619>Gauntlet of SharThere's easy shortcuts for every trial. Taking off equipment before spawning thr mirrors, flying over the pit, invis in the stealth one, etc.>>721816858>Zoomer writing What the fuck is this supposed to mean and why should I listen to an opinion on dialogue from someone that thinks this is a critiqueAs for the overarching plot not being better - when was the last time you actually played kotor or me? They're equally contrived.>5e changes bad because WIZARDMonk here, eat shit nerd
>>721816858who?
>>721817241I think the emperor is one of the best examples of a manipulative character in a video game, he makes you feel like everything is your idea, you might finish the game without knowing his true intentions
>>721817241>BestYour loved one helping you resist BhaalRaphael being a dickAstarion's reactions to being shown a modicum of empathy and respect>WorstPretty much all of Halsin. Wyll whenever Mizora isn't also on the screen, I feel like the Cult of Shar characters could have been done a lot cooler. They feel like Losers
>>721817426I'm passing the checks but some rooms have over a dozen traps. I got tired of disarming them a week ago and am thinking of dropping my run. It might just be a me problem, though. I didn't have too much of a problem with the gauntlet of shar when I first played.
>>721817478Ashes 2063/Afterglow of course.
>>721817241>worst Karlach's character as a whole>bestnothing clearly outstanding
>>721817537Doesn't everyone step over them automatically once they're identified?
>>721817517He blew it by making himself out to be a cute girl only to reveal his true form. Now I have to kill him to prove I'm not gay. He should of planned for that.
>>721817649Do they? I was under the assumption that they would be triggered like in BG1/2. If so, I've been doing this tedious shit for nothing lol.
>>721817537>traps in bg3barely an inconvenience. you'll pull out your hair if you ever try out something like wotr or underrail.
>>721817723>Do they?yeah
>>721800113I would say he acts the straitest of the 3 guys. The other two act like overly sensitive fags.Only minthara actually acts like a woman and not a weird self insert or female stronk power fantasy.
>>721817769I've beaten both of those games several times.
>>721817649not always. sometimes they still step on them when there's not enough room, or when the safe path is temporarily blocked
>>721817787>I would say he acts the straitest of the 3 guys. The other two act like overly sensitive fags.problem is making every character player sexual. like who the fuck would want to fuck a female dwarf?
>>721817882...
>>721817490>What the fuck is this supposed to meanIt means the characters talk like twitch weirdos doing an online DnD session. Fantasy characters talking and acting like modern californians.>They're equally contrived.No. I will not defend ME (because of ME3 mostly), but BG3 is badly written in new and creative ways.The main plot gimmick and the writing around it got changed mid-development.A parasite tadpole got wapred from a pure danger into a source of awesome powers.It's like Larian making ALIENS game where getting facehugged gives you cool xenomorph powers....Sorry zoomie, you just have a bad taste.
>>721817882>who the fuck would want to fuck a female dwarf?
>>721817882I'd fuck the cleric dwarf that poisons you in the druid grove if she was real.
>>721817516Just IWD portrait. Everyone's favourite.Often called "big tiddy goth gf" portrait.
>>721800113>he watches podcasts
>>721800113>It goes against all the Red Pill podcasts I’ve watched over the years.But all the incidents of women going after corpses, animals and even children with negative status did not? Their industry of bad boy werewolf yaoi books didn't convince you women might in fact have licentiousness of their own?
>>721800113>he’s an effeminate British female gay friend who complains all the timethis is kino btwits a fun character trope. straight male btw
>like who the fuck would want to fuck a female dwarf?4/10 bait
>>721818072Can you give an example?
>>721817490You don't read books if you can't tell what he's saying. He's being very clear and precise, you are just dumb as fuck.
>>721818467NTA but pretty much every second word from Karlach doesn't belong in the setting
>>721818190This. Women are the ones that fucked the squid.
>>721817521>They feel like LosersShar is the goddess of loss you dumbass. She is literally the goddess of losers. Non-losers don't pray to Shar. Only losers do.
>>721818072>The dialogue in this DnD game sounds like people playing DnDAnd that's...bad?You just sound like kind of a cunt, m8.
>>721818197He seemed like a carbon copy of reaver from fable and that irked me a little for some reason
>>721818072>Fantasy characters talking and acting like modern californians.This only really applies to Karlak
>>721817882>making every character player sexual.The problem isn't so much that everyone is player sexual, but that everyone is so AGGRESSIVELY player sexual. Its an RPG with a party with tons of banter, so you want to go around and talk to everyone and be friendly, but its like being in a camp full of sex pests. Fucking lazel, never had anything nice to say to me, or agree with any decision I've made, is suddenly telling me she wants to taste my sweat and she's going to rape me in my sleep, and I'm like "whoa bitch, can we just be friends first!" I think I locked a relationship in with shadowheart just so everyone would leave me alone. And gale is still sending his ghost to ask me to go watch stars with him. Or halsin (after I left him captive until I absolutely had to deal with it) coming onto me. Fuck off bro, all I said is you should go mingle at a party. Take a fucking hint, I could have saved you 20 hours ago and I chose not to for this fucking reason.
>>721818707Yeah but they do it so they can feel cool for a change. So they shoukd LARP as cool people
>>721811303i hated her initially because of this but she becomes really cute when you do her questline and she starts being really sweet to you
>>721818598Such as?
>>721818072>Fantasy characters talking and acting like modern californians. Blame Critical Role, which by the way, is the one true fundamental source of the tone of writing in this entire game. Literally look up the voice cast D&D sessions on YT and you'll figure out what tone they were going for the whole time
>>721818503Yes, of course, how could I forget all those years of studying the major writing styles: impressionist, expressionist, traditional, zoomer, and so on.
>>721819007Just wish you could get her a better ending.
>>721800113This, women don't want pretty twinks they want bald screaming man with roid gut and epic beard, that's what redpill youtubers told me.
>>721819007>tfw you give her a pretty dress to wear in the third act
>>721819060Critical Role didn't invent cringy role players
>>721818907It's really funny to me that this complaint has persistedThe romance values were fucked up by a bug for a little while after release but this has been fixed for years now
>>721818907 Bro you nailed it. It's not that the characters being bi/pan is a problem in itself, it's the pacing and tone that makes it feel like you're walking into horny DnD Tinder. Every two conversations it's like "oh btw, I'm down horrendously and you're hot." I tried picking the most neutral dialogue options possible and still ended up at a wine date with Wyll while Gale's ghost was doing his Mr. Darcy impression at midnight. It kills the immersion. You're supposed to feel like companions are bonding over shared trauma or conflict resolution, not like you're stuck in a horny reality TV show. Let me earn the romance. Damn.
>>721818467"Fuck yeah".And I would argue "cuck".While "cuckold" is an insult old as time, it's short version - "cuck" - wasn't really a thing untill very recently. There's like one written example of it and it's not really used as a street insult for weak men.And nowadays it is very strongly assosiated with... uh... the tone of internet discourse.Also, le reddit dragonborn weapon shop female. Notice how in general the dragonborn don't even have some lizard-like accent. No nothing. Zero effort to make them different.Hm...Oddly, only evil races have some unique features. Everyone else is just "generic twitch fantasy roleplay" culture.
>>721800113News flash, girls like personalities.
This game has a surprisingly big following in the far east, even the boorus are full of fanart (which are almost always all off-model, but that's a plus in my mind)
>>721814291have fun sochee broi'm on act2 as a sorcer
"Stealth mode activate"
>>721818902Well, she's the most obvious example.Dragonborn shopkeeper is another one. Also, notice how dragonborn don't even talk funny. Zero unique characteristics. They are just like regular mammals. There's a dragonborn hooker and nobody cares.Only evil races have unique cultures. Weird.
>>721819051NTA either but it's obvious to anyone that Karlach is the worst written character in the entire history of RPGs. I can't remember any particular lines, everything she says is along the lines of "fuck yeah, let's go kick some ass!"It's baffling that there are people stupid enough to like BG3. Too bad zoomers can't read.
>>721819228>personalitiesIt is 10,000% the sexy accent.
>>721819451>GO FOR THE EYES BOO XDDD GIANT SPACE HAMSTER BROOOO EPIC AND RANDOM HAHAthis is peak boomer writting
>>721818902Every character is written like that because the writers are feminists straight from Tumblr. Grow some balls.Only the Jaheira writer was alright and even he was clueless of Jaheira's history.
>>721819425>Only evil races have unique culturesThat's how D&D works, it's a roleplaying game, it exists for people to pretend to be dragonkin or elves and not tell a good story or anything
>>721818907It's because the romances were written by women for women. They want to feel desired by everyone no matter if they're male or female. Even the few women that don't identify as bi still enjoy the ego trip.
>>721819550>Every character is written like thatNo, outside of Karlach the millenial writing in BG3 is pretty mild>>721819451>the worst written character in the entire history of RPGsnot even close
>>721819514The difference is Minsc was a funny retard and wasn't written to be a feminist manifest. But you are right in saying Minsc was going too far, too.
>>721819676>reddit writing is ok so long as it's not feminist
>>721800113What's effeminate about Astarion? To me he looks like a real man and acts like one. Maybe you just live with brainwashed cattle males who don't have ownership over their own life.
>>721819763Yeah, pretty much
>>721819774>What's effeminate about Astarion?are you serious?
>>721819643>not even closeYes she is. Learn to write before you write any further stupid comments. Not only is she a modern brainrot self-insert and politically inclined "big women can be Conan the Barbarians too" message carrier," lore-wise she doesn't make sense either. She is supposed to be traumatized by her time in the Hells, yet acts like a happy spring chicken. Every possible thing about her is completely fucked. Nothing good about her.Don't at me if you don't own at least one D&D book, dumb casual.
>>721819763Reddit isn't funny. Minsc is funny. Reddit didn't even exist when BG1 and 2 came out, zoomie. Do you remember the time before smartphones?
>>721819425There aren't any "evil" races in DnD anymore. Even in the game the goblins aren't that bad, they're just being manipulated by greater forces. They just like to fight and party, and party and fight, and are only really a problem when someone gives them a big head and uses them as cannon fodder. And there is plenty of lore for the various races and the settings. Forgotten realms has been a setting for ages.
>>721819875Everything you wrote can be true and she still wouldn't be close to the worst written RPG character
>>721819559Sure.That's the side effect of the "artf orm".But why would another art form emulate it?Why would you emulate a flaw, unless you are doing some self-aware parody. (I know some people argue LArian does that, but I really don't buy it)
>>721819085>>721800113No, retards. They like to giggle squee over a effeminate guy but will always have a relationship with rugged, confident man.
>>721819974She is. And it's not even a contest. She's straight from Veilguard. From the very bottom.
>>721819774I like Astarion but come on, dude. He acts gay as fuck. The only way he'd be gayer is if he was wearing a rainbow outfit. He's a fun character, though. He always loves it when I do heinous shit.
>>721818503>You don't read books if you can't tell what he's sayingCringe as fuck. You'd only know what he's talking about if you read tumblr and/or YA books. Imagine implicitly bragging about reading YA lmao
>>721820040>But why would another art form emulate it?Because it's a licensed D&D gameIt'd be a much better game if it didn't have to use awful tabletop rules for combat and didn't have to adhere to tabletop tropes for the story, but it is what it is
>>721819774He's a Dandy. A Fop. Not necessarily homosexual and indeed generally something many women quite like a bit, but also considered something of a vice in certain cultures as it relates to vanity
>>721820085You just proved my point, Veilguard is full of characters worse than Karlach
>>721820057This isn't true especially nowadays. I know tons of women dating bi, effeminate dudes. They're usually bi themselves, though.
>>721819774If you can't tell Astarion is a flamboyant faggot, you have no social instinct. I once knew a negative IQ girl who thought it's impossible to tell if someone is gay or not based on their appearance or mannerisms, yet real life shows you can be right about it 99% of the time.
>>721819958I'm talking BG3, not DnD in general.And in BG3 only evil races have own cultures.Look at dwarves you encounter. Half of them don't have proper beards and I think only ONE of them has a somewhat dwarven job.
>>721820238what evil races in BG3 have their own cultures
>>721820182No, I precisely said she is even worse than Veilguard. That's how bad it is. She competes with characters like that.
>>721820306>she is even worse than Veilguardnot even close
>>721820280Githyanki, obviously.
>>721820143I will tell you with absolute certainty that Astarion would be gay if he was real. No testosterone-producing straight man would act like such a fucking fag.
>>721819676Minsc was never funny
>>721819774I have a bridge to sell you, anon.
>why are the characters having FUN!?If you're looking for a serious and heavy tone in a faerun anything you're making a huge mistake.
>>721820395Maybe that anon is just European. They're pretty faggy over there.
>>721819875>modern brainrot self-insert and politically inclinedNo, she's not. She's a muscle mommy crossed with a bakadere. It's an indulgent archetype, meant to be appealing.>She is supposed to be traumatized by her time in the Hells, yet acts like a happy spring chicken.Also known as distracting oneself. See for reference everyone who has ever served in any military ever.
>>721820362They don't though, they dropped the ball hard on the Gith, they had a great opportunity to show them as astral space pirates but they're just a bunch of regular guys hanging out in a temple
>>721820395Bro, straight men act gay as fuck. Get out more.
>>721820357She absolutely is, because her problem is not that she is bland (like Andromeda's protagonist) or that some things are bad about her. Her problem is that everything about her is terrible (even her companion story) to the point she is offensively bad. She is so bad it makes you angry, not just disappointed. She ruins every scene with her mere presence.Again, don't at me when you don't own D&D books.
>>721820471Sportsfags and dudebros aren't "straight men", anon. Sorry you had to find out the hard way. This applies to those who are suspiciously too interested in "fighting", too.
>>721819638Its more likely that the horny shit was a marketing point, they wanted to make sure people didn't get gated out of anything. I think its just a problem with any game with a relationship mechanic, they never feel satisfying or earned. Its been a problem with games far longer than BG3 has been around. I think when I really became aware of it was Anders in DAII. And then saints row 4 where you had that space ship home base and it was making fun of romances in mass effect, and you can fuck just about anyone, as a joke. >Hey, I want some rough sex, but Kinzie scares the shit out of me... really just kind of laid bare how shallow and stupid it really is in 99.9% of games. Like just go make a sci-fi/fantasy dating sim with a decent budget, it would sell like fucking hotcakes.
>>721820470Listen, my standards are low.It's a game with clean-shaven dwarven metrosexual tailors.
>>721820520You wrote an entire paragraph and all you said was "she's bad"Like I said, you're a narcissist brainlet who can't actually criticize anything
Different anon but Karlach would fit right in with the Veilguard cast.
>>721820470>they had a great opportunity to show them as astral space piratesThis is one of those things I'm almost certain Swen wanted to do but got toned down by WotC. I recall reading somewhere he was a fan of Spelljammer.
>>721820449>>721820449>>721820449Which is funny due to European men having higher testosterone than American men.Faaaar less obesity, way less hormones in their food, way less hyper process junk, more exercise
>>721820598I told you the obvious because nobody else bothered, I did a favor for your sorryass. You're a worthless cocksucker. Blind, overly defensive fanboy with no critical capacity.Faggot.
>>721820732They probably ran out of time, I know they wanted to add Hell as a visitable area aswell
>>721820715Who from BG3 wouldn't?
>>721820825Lae'zel
>>721820757And yet you guys bugger each other like no tomorrow. Odd how that works, huh?
>>721820395he acts like a highborn
>>721820786>with no critical capacity.Literally all you said was "she's bad"You're a seething ball of autistic rage, it comes through in every post you make, you're deranged
>>721820542>Everything masculine is actually gay>Ironically apologizingThis is queer coded BTW. You sassy little queen.
You faggot nerds only hate karlach because she has a sidecut and a chin.I guarantee if she looked like this and acted exactly the same you whiny retards would be gooning at the thought of her dumb excited banter
>>721820413It wasn't funny when Minsc and a fucking hamster were on their way to Valhalla just to turn back when they realized the hero still needed their help? That's ridiculously funny. Sorry, but you have no sense of humor. No wonder you have no friends and nobody loves you.
Replaying BG3 reminds me of how mediocre and forced the story is. Minimal choice. And I have serious frog fatigue holy fuck I forgot at 1. how lame they are but more-so, 2. how many there are.
>>721820909Explain how Karlach should act based on her backstory, go. Let's see how well you understand the concepts of the Forgotten Realms. Describe the wars involved.
still have no idea why this game causes /v/ to seethe so much
>>721820941Hmmm nyo. See: >>721817415
>>721820413Yes he was and still is. He's also a bro.
>>721820546>I think its just a problem with any game with a relationship mechanic, they never feel satisfying or earned. I don't think it's possible to write a satisfying romance with an amorphous create-your-own-protag blank slate. Interestingly I unironically got attached to emergent ones the most, like the couples that come together on a Rimworld colony.
>>721820941I didn't even remember she had a Jay Leno chin but yes, she actually does, which only makes her worse. A true feminist monstrosity.
>>721821017What's that got to do with anything? I agree Karlach's a bad character who doesn't act anything like someone with her backstory should act like, but she's far from the worst character in any RPG
>>721821037>/v/ is a hive mind. MEDS, NOW!
>>721821037Because it's a good game that sold well. Nothing makes /v/ angrier.
>>721821113>hurr durr I don't know anything, stop asking questions, I don't know the loreFaggot. Faggiest fag who ever fagged. I'd tell you to suck my dick but you'd actually do it. Faggot. Go to the nearest gas station and start drinking the gasoline.
>>721821104This is why Durge and Shadowheart is better than Tav x Anyone. They parralel each other nicely in their experiences and goals emwhether they're Good or Evil.
>>721803101Literally OS2. Or 1 for that matter. Or fucking Owlturd's Pathfinder.The combat would be great if they acutally let you use skills beyond lvl, I think it was 12?
>>721821213you're severely mentally ill, I feel sorry for anyone who has to deal with you irl
>>721817241I haven't completed the game yet (killed Gortash and Cazador so far), so there may be more.Best: > Karlach breaking down after Gortash's death> Jaheira straight up sending a guy home after being him complicit in almost luring her into an ambush> Raphael losing his shit a little when you act dumb when considering the deal> The idea of a group of people fleeing through the entire game after their city was dragged into Hell> Every single Wizard dialogue option showing you as an insufferable nerd, killing Balthazar on sight> Gale's magic trick (I've no fucking idea what people are talking about, you're literally just weaving magic like cotton candy and then you can say you can see his head on a pike)> the Orpheus plot and Lae'zel in general> the idea of taking over an elder brain through a hell heist in general> the Nightsong being a whole another thing> the idea of the Emperor Worst: > tiefling refugees> tiefling refugees in act 2> tiefling refugees in act 3> the entire Ketheric Thorm arc, you can see every single plot point in like 700 kilometers but have to pretend you don't> the Dead Three being represented like some fantasy Team Rocket shit > Shadowheart until Act 3> Wyll until Act 3> Astarion> Astarion> Astarion> The Emperor being half-naked in that scene, NO NO NO FUCK NO FUCK YOU NO NO NO this is what people think Gale's magic trick is> Dame Aylin being instantly cured of 100 years of being literally BETRAYED AND TRAPPED-induced PTSD by meeting her dead girlfriend, somewhat redeemed in Act 3> Mizora (every time she appears on screen)> every non-important character that speaks like a caricaturized HR Actually makes me wanna play more RPGs (gotta replay DX, VTMB and add Pillars of Eternity to the list), but goddamn I have a complicated relationship with this game. It's certainly good, but I really wish I didn't have to wait until Act 3 for all this to actually start paying off.
>>721821104>no dating simulator with an in depth character creator and the nemesis system that creates your perfect unattainable waifu through your in-game actions
>>721821298Do the world, especially your sad parents, a favor by tying yourself to a NASA rocket and fucking disappearing. I'll enjoy the fireworks and people will celebrate.
I only just now realized every single heavy-hitter in the party is female. Every single male companion are STR weaklings, even Halsin and Minsc with their beefy models. That can't have been unintentional
>>721821437The devs fully expected people to respec minsc. They didn't put any thought at all into his stats.
>>721821416I could do all that and you still wouldn't be able to articulate any criticism about a video game
>>721821330> the Dead Three being represented like some fantasy Team Rocket shitThat was kino, albeit also the point I stopped taking the story seriously
>>721821594Oh I already did, but you can't read, faggot tranny. You'll never have friends or a relationship when you are mentally ill like this. Seek help, urgently.
Could Larian ever write anyone half as based as him?
>>721821437>every single heavy-hitter in the party is femaleWyll gets pretty bonkers with bound weapons and booming blades. And since you can abuse the fuck out of long rests your casters biggest limitation is basically irrelevant.
>>721821745As a side character... maybe.
>>721821697You came up with some valid criticisms sure, but then I said that doesn't make her the worst character EVER (a high bar to clear) you literally just said "she's bad" 7 times in a rowYou're resentful and deranged
>>721821745He turned on my mythic trickster. Fuck him.
>>721821816Name a character who would be worse. I won't defend bad characters, but to top Karlach they'd have to every single thing fucked about them, just like Karlach, and then somehow manage to be even worse.Doesn't even matter if the character is literally the worst, she represents the lowest quality imaginable nonetheless and that's enough. Meanwhile you'll remain a faggot who doesn't know the FR lore for the rest of your days yet still talks about it.
>>721821967Not that anon but most characters from Fallout 3 are way worse than she is. They're as generic and soulless as it gets. "Worst character ever" has to be truly horrific.
>>721821756Sure, for the gameplay, but then there's the writing intention for characters too.The literal heavy-hitters, as in companions who canonically fight with raw strength and cleave enemies open, are all female. Karlach, Lae'zel, Minthara. Even Shart's signature weapons are a mace followed by a lance, while Jaheira the druid is portrayed most prominently with dual blades rather than relying only on magic.In comparison the 3 out of the 5 men are: a scaredy cat vamp afraid of the slightest cut, a nerdy wizard, and a guy that fences a bit and uses his magic for the rest of the fight.It's very clear they set out to subvert tropes before anything else.
>>721821967>Name a character who would be worseany veilguard character
>>721821829You fucked up, he was one of my staunchest supporters.
>>721819875>"big women can be Conan the Barbarians too" message carrier,"No, that was pic related
>>721821967not being lore accurate doesn't make a character the worst character ever autism-kun
>>721822215I was roleplaying as chaotic neutral and he did not like that one bit.
>>721822053Being generic and soulless is better than being offensively bad in every aspect. Generic just means boring, offensively bad means the character violates so many storytelling and character-building principles that any kind of engagement with the said character is pure suffering.A generic character is like a tabula rasa that requires more work. An offensively bad character is something you can't fix, but have to start over again.
>>721821967There are party members in the very same game that are way worse than her.
>>721822315Yep, he complained a lot everytime I did something chaotic retarded, and then went on to clean up my mess.He's earned my unconditional respect and loyalty.
>>721822270To be fair, she's not presented as a 100% badass?Multiple times she's presented as a dangerous moron.
>>721822321Her arc is fine, her personality is just too reddit for her role
Why were they less fun than BG3, despite better writing?
>>721822489Her arc is "I have a thing inside me" in a game where the big story is "I have a worm inside me." As if every AAA game in the last 10 years didn't have some kind of "I have x inside me" plot, but I digress, BG3 in general is very uninspired.Even FF9's Vivi's "I don't wanna die" character arc was executed better than Karlach's annoying whining.
>>721822593Owlcat combat sucks all enjoyment. It's that fucking bad. Also the games are too washed out graphically.
>>721811332zoomers are the most black&brown generation in history. makes sense they'd be filtered by a game made by 3 digit iq white folk.
>>721820057This is pure delusion. Women will always take a Timothee Chalamet over a roided up, balding retard.
>>721820185You live in a cringe hipster bubble.
>>721820825Astarion, Shadowheart, Minthara and Lae'zel are way too racist to fit in Veilguard
>>721822593I play both a lot. But if I had to pick one of them to remove from existence, BG3 vanishes
>>721822593The world exploration is extremely tedius in both, but I did enjoy WotR immensely more than BG3, except the fucking Abyss, I hope whoever designed it chokes on their own excrements in hell.
>>721823000They'd all fit in. If their visual style was edited to fit in VG, you wouldn't know the difference.Have you seen those Tumblr animations made out of BG3? Another perfect fit.
>>721822593Production value carries BG3 a lot. Even with a lot less reactivity than Wotr, BG3 actually lets you see the consequences of your decisions, whereas Wotr simply writes most of it in text. BG3 thus feels a lot more personal and cinematic.BG3 also gives you a lot more agency in combat. In Wotr it's all about stacking your numbers higher than your enemies' numbers. BG3's combat is much easier but allows you a lot more pathways to win so you feel like you have more agency.Normies won't be interested in Wotr's build autism (which is necessary for higher difficulties). If you don't know the system you have to do a lot of reading and planning just to make a coherent build (and a lot of things you simply cannot know without trying it first). In BG3 you can make a coherent build intuitively.
