You should be able to solve this
>>721801776context?i only watched OG, TNG and TAS
>>721801892An accident fuses two crewmen, creating a third individual. The captain has to decide whether to kill him to save the two component individuals, or leave them "dead" so that the new individual can live. In the new Voyager game, you get to relive stories from the show and sometimes deviate from how those turned out.
>>721802521I would forcibly fuse the entire crew with myself and go rogue, becoming a villian whos goal is to fuse the entire galaxy
>>721802784So The Borg?
>>721801776Program the transponder to cause another incident and create two copies of Tuvix.Split one Tuvix into Tuvok and Neelix and keep the other alive.
>Lower Decks considers her choice to separate them to be insanely evilWhy?
>>721802521thats kinda fucked up
>>721802784that was the plot of a lower decks episode
>>721803223In the show Tuvix says he's better at his jobs and happier than Tuvok or Neelix ever were, but he annoys Janeway so she splits them while he begs the rest of the crew for help while they all stare forward and pretend it's not happening.
>>721803207>Begs for his life>Kill him because he's an abomination
>>721802784Hot>4minabsorptionstory.gif
>>721803497yeah it was some rosemary's baby shit they could have easily weenied out by having him become ill and say the fusion wanst perfect or something but nope, lets make Janeway irredeemably evil i guess lol.
>>721803763she killed one person instead of 2
>>721803138>Program the transponder to cause another incident and create two copies of Tuvix.now you have TWO tuvixes, and they BOTH want to live
The right thing to do was to unfuse Tuvix. He is an accident. He was literally not meant to be. It is not fair to Tuvok's family or Neelix's, uh, 9 year old gf that he they be forced to not exist.
>>721803818Okay Admiral.
>>721803207They also rationalize that they where in a distant quadrant with no resources or support, limiting their options. They do have starfleet close to help so they decided to take the fused cat thing with their top scientists to figure out a non fatal solution, too bad the cat thing also read the Voyager report and decided to go full retard.
>>721803207>Killing life is evil? Why?
>>721803997Don't like it? There's the airlock.
>>721803847Transporter clones are a more regular occurrence and it's semi acceptable to kill one of them anyway.
>>721803847make 10 thousand
>>721804057Leaving them fused has ended 2 lives, stupid frognigger.
>>721804582I see, it's always the correct choice to kill the few so the many can live...So why don't you kill yourself right now? You're harming the environment tremendously with your existence, causing mudslides and other environmental horrors to happen and kill many more people.
>reading the retarded controversy over this shit for the first timeits retarded as shit, either their consciousnesses merged and formed a single individual, or they truly both died and spitting them just created two clones of the originals (the more likely option because of teleporter clones having happened before) which means the whole thing is retarded and irrelevant because teleporters are just murder machines and the ethics of the situation don't matter at all.
>>721804440five hundred tuvixes
>>721804695>because teleporters are just murder machines and the ethics of the situation don't matter at all.And you'd have a point because there are people in-universe in Star Trek who refuse to use transporters for this reason, it's unknowable if you're still the same person or you die and it just makes a clone.
>>721804695>teleporters are just murder machinesHow is it murder when your existence continues?
>>721804664Because I have capacity to kill many a Pajeet that will save even more lives
>>721804820Choices are meaningless if they are not taken.And cowards like yourself rarely make choices yourself.
>>721804813does it though?
>>721802784I would do the opposite. The second I find a habitable planet I would use the transporter to dumb billions of clones of myself on every settlement, every city until the local populace is completely overrun by me.
>>721804957Existence itself is relative. There is no problem if someone that resembles you with a high enough fidelity replaces you.
>>721804960t.
>>721805059eggplanthead
>>721801776I will create a third option3) Perform the separation, kill Neelix but tell the crew he died in the procedure.
>>721804582they died through a tragic accidentjaneway murdered
>>721801776its the pratical/logical choice to split themshes needed all the man power she could get
>>721803763It's based that they wrote the episode like that though. The fact that it's actually a difficult moral quandary, and in the end Janeway just had to say "I'm not going to sacrifice two of my crewmen for the sake of one of my crewmen" is what's interesting about it.Star Trek fans have been seething about this for years, because they actually don't like moral ambiguity at all. It's part of the brand. Star Fleet just have to be "right" about things.
>>721802784Based Horatio
>>721805130but where would get their all yummy spicey greyola soup from!
>>721801776Clone him using the transporters and then split the second tuvix that comes out back into tuvok and neelix.
>>721802784>goal is to fuse the entire galaxythat's the opposite of being a villain
>>721801776I absolutely would not because it would mean fucking Neelix would be back.
>>721803763Captain Mommy is based
>>721803497the rest of the crew sound complicitwhy does janeway take all the criticism? she sounds like a good captain
I feel like a lot of people fail to realize that in VOY, Tuvok was incredibly important to the survival of the ship, so bringing him back was more important in that point in their journey than having Tuvix remain fused.
>>721805463Don't know why my fellow trekkies would seethe about it if I wanted good vs evil slop I'd be a Star Wars fan. I enjoy Star Trek for the moral ambiguity and seeing their libtard utopian beliefs get challenged.
>>721801776The models look like some Daz3D shit but the gameplay looks like a better idea for a Star Trek game than what you usually see, so I hope it's good, but I don't have high hopes.
>poisons the atmosphere of a planet with people still on it and makes it uninhabitable for centuries because some guy insulted his uniformnothin personnel kid
>>721803497Based Insaneway.
>>721805535We would find the most homely female crew member and appoint her the kitchen mommy.
>>721802521What, the obvious answer is to bring the other two back
>>721804957Yes. They communicate when they're teleporting sometimes
>>721807161Even when the new one is perfectly happy and begs you to stay as you kill him
>>721807260yeah, fuck him
>>721807260Yes.There isn't a particular reason you couldn't just make a Tuvok transporter clone instead, which is the real obvious answer.
the cessation of two consciousnesses for the sake of this new one, because of a complete accident, when presumably there would be people mourning the loss of the old? and you have to account for there being one fewer crew member and all the legal shit that comes with thatidk im not a star truck guy but the choice seems obvious. two guys unwittingly lost their original selves to create the new consciousness
>>721807495Damn. Episode ruined.Saying that, why didn't Voyager just clone like five Tuvok's and five 7 of 9's, to work around the clock on getting them home?
>>721803497two other people had to die for him to livejaneway did it herself because everyone else was too chicken shit to do it or follow orders
>>721804582And killing one person so two who need their organs is just fine then. Sorority should murder people any time people can be saved by harvesting organs. By your logic and Janeway's that's moral.
>>721807727why not clone a hundred seven of nines for me to have sex with in a big pile
>>721801776do you think people would be more supportive of keeping tuvix alive if he wasn't a hideous gremlins-looking weirdo with a weird voicelike imagine he was a hot girl, what then
>>721807727Mostly just ethics, as 7 would be quite against being cloned.
>>721807501also, the third being can only know their combined experience, not really understand the true experience of the former separate beings? like, he is asserting that he is happier than he was as two disparate people but he is also a new, combined third thing with a personality that is neither of the two constituent parts. its totally wrong. why does this third person get to assert their personhood precedence over the previous two's?its like a nightmare pregnancy-abortion scenario of a fetus except the fetus 1, kills both parents and 2, comes out a fully grown person, 3, can somehow be reverted back to the parents being alive, 4, the grown abortion asserts that its okay, the parents would have wanted it that way
>>721801776can i extract just tuvok?
>>721807501They make a big thing about there not being enough energy to feed everyone Well, well less mouth to feed, one less room to take up, and so forth
>>721806770it's basically oregon trail but trek
>>721807501>>721807974After the split the two characters return to being unhappy, except worse since they have known a solution to their problems. The crew do not attempt to solve the reason the two were unhappy to start with. They share a morose, longing look knowing that the accident even if the accident were repatable, Janeway would just order them, seperated again.
>>721808071by the looks of it, maybe a kind of crossup of FTL and Fallout Shelter.
>>721801776>>721802521I love Sci-Fi but I just cant get into Star Trek. Is there something wrong with me?
Weird situation. Do the two separated people remember the experiences of the fused one? Was it a truly perfect fusion? With like no health issues or major mental ones? Was it basically fucking magic or something?
>>721808457I don't know, maybe you just don't like newer Trek. Have you considerd watching TOS or the original movies? They're less preachy and utopian compared to what came later.
>>721808693I cant get into any of them. I also hated them as a kid while my mum loved them
>>721808482Memories are retained going both directions, which is why I find it hard to believe that Tuvix is "killed"
>>721801776
>>721806909>poisons the atmosphere of a planet (for humans) with people still on it (with hours to evacuate) and make it uninhabitable (to humans), after the people on the planet just did the same thing in reverse to Cardassian settlers, forcing the two colonies to just swap planetsStarfleet gave him their approval in the end by the way. Everyone agreed it was the best way to resolve the situation.
>>721801776This is still one of the most coldest and most evil moments in television history. Holy shit she was a bitch in that show.
>>721808693>TOS>less preachyPeak "I grew up with it being treated as normal so I have literally no idea how fucking progressive it was to have a black woman with a rank on screen every episode" nonsense.
>>721809304She's a glorified secretary, and occasional piece of eye-candy. Let's be real.
Also, the Twilight Zone had already done this, by 1960https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDm74WeoNyI
Has there been a Star Trek episode that explores a society deliberately using the transporter to create clones because they don't have enough people to support a population or some junk?
>>721809934No because it doesn't work like that
>>721801776I would separate because presumably I know the two crewman and i don't know or care about this stupid new nigga.
>>721810162why?
>>721809137I'll always be happy my first Trek was VOY because if I had seen it after TOS and TNG, I would have fucking HATED Janeway. But because I am tainted by nostalgia, I can subjectively decide that Janeway (mostly) everything right.
>>721810483plain answer: because otherwise the setting wouldn't workthe transporter is one of the main conceits of the setting and gains different mystical properties depending on the story being toldthat and they had the same gimmick, sorta, with the mining colony staffed entirely by holographic Doctors in voyager
>>721803860>Neelix's, uh, 9 year old gfShe's 3 actually, 9 is when her race dies of old age
>>721810483Because Gene Roddenberry did not write a future where the most widely accepted form of long distance transportation is also a mass murdering philosophical conundrum
>>721807867>fuse two ugly male aliens >the fusion is a cute alien girlkeep the alien girl
>>721801776>separate>throw Neelix out of the nearest airlock
>>721809137>You cannot rest with enemies nearby.
>>721805130This, but eject Neelix from the airlock instead.
>>721809304It still is.
>>721809934>>721810483Any transporter accident is due to unpredictable problems that aren't replicatable with any reasonable degree of repeatability. It's easy to say "just make another clone!" but you could just do what happened in TMP where two people got scrambled together and "What we got back didn't live long, fortunately," or the multiple episodes where they're testing trying to beam something through interference and using non-living test cylinders because the process is fucking them up.
>>721803763There's only one way, the Insaeway.
>>721802521So a Vegito or Gotenks? That actually sounds cool. Why wouldn't you want the sum of two guys who not only have all skills of former but are also the better sum?
>>721812058Because the contract is for two actors and they didn't write the episode as a way to remove one of them from the show
>>721802521I don't see people bitching about no moral quandary when Goku and Vegeta fused. Both of them were not dead, they just like literally fused to become a new person but with every quality of the former two. Where does this retarded notion of trolley problem come from?
>>721809304Instead of sneaking it in or subtlety. Modern writers rejoice in turning off viewers especially ones that are the majority fanbase.
>>721806516He wasn't useless, the bit we saw made him look more competent than Tuvok when he solved some sensor array problem within half a day that would've taken Tuvok days according to Janeway. thanks to the creativity of his Neelix half.
>>721801776>promote Harry Kim>game crashes
voyager is directly responsible for today's america due to making seven on nine's actress, jeri ryan getting famous and marrying a politician, that tried to get her into freaky stuff, which was exposed in the divorce lawsuit, which killed his political run allowing a new unknown politician named barak obama to win that election and later become a president which then led to donald trump running and becoming president.
>>721812682lol, I demote him to cadet or crewman if I can.
>>721803207LD fans are bizarre racial hybrids themselves so it got under their skin so to speak.
>>721812373Star Trek was never, ever subtle.
>>721803497If Tuvix was less than 100% more efficient at both sets of tasks it would be more efficient to separate him back.
>>721808457Depends on what you've tried to watch.
Everybody always worried about Tuvix when they should be asking "What about Neevok?"
>>721812549Yeah so it's literally Vegito fusion. Both are still in there they just become one person. Nobody dies. The only actual valid complaint is their family, which isn't really that hard to solve considering they can just take turns to stay with him. Where's the "moral quandary" in this?
>>721804812>it's unknowable if you're still the same person or you die and it just makes a cloneI don't watch Star Trek because it's queer as fuck, but presumably machines break and someone must be there to maintain them. That person would know exactly what the teleporter does.
>>721804582They were already dead once the fuse happened and the new iterations are not the old characters. 2 lives were already lost, one person lived. Killing that one person means a third person died so that two might live. Janeway's decision means that more people are still dead, and she inserted herself into the situation to do so. It's like the trolley problem if the person at the level decided to make every wrong choice.
>>721812747Damn, the domino effect is kino when you put it that way.
I was always disappointed that Tuvix didn't sing the Vulcan dirge that the episode started with.
>>721812747So, what was she into?
>>721809934There's a VOY episode where some goo clones them and they let them live and then they let the goo clone the entire crew and then the goo believes they're the real crew and go off into space and then the goo fucking dies and the real crew flies past oblivious, you only see the real crew for the last minute of the episode
>>721812927A Tuvix 110% better at Tuvok stuff and 1000x better at Neelix stuff is still a net gain. Tuvok is massively more important than Neelix.
>>721813498It'd be kino if Tuvix adding some Neelixian "spice" to the dirge was what finally made Janeway snap and kill him. It'd be a good commentary on the dangers of race mixing and multiculturalism.
>>721813173There is one...
>>721806126You want to be fused to everyone? What are you, SEELE? Not everyone's good. Why would you want to be fused with shitty people?
>>721814141
>>721802521This episode would be better if Tuvix decided on his own on separation, but no, Voy crew just killed him against his wishes
it astonishes me that people are still asspained about Tuvix when Harry Kim literally died and was replaced by a clone and no one cared
>>721802784To late, Lower Deck already did that plot
>>721802521How did the crewmen feel after being freed? janeway is ultimately doing the right thing I feel because something like that greatly alters your personality. who is to say how the originals would feel?
>>721809137Tell us genius, what would picard and kirk do?
>>721811137>You CAN fast travel with enemies nearby>Time to fast travel Tuvix
>>721814412Because an ensign being sucked into the vacuum of space is an everyday occurance on a ship like that
>>721814412Maybe because Harry's death wasn't a murderous betrayal perpetrated by the entire crew?
>>721814720If Bones and Spock merged, Kirk would separate them.The plot would offer Picard some convenient out, so he didn't actually have to make the decision, and he'd get to look wise anyway.
>>721814720I believe kirk, sisko, and archer would kill tuvix. Picard probably wouldn't.
>In the future resources are infinite so no one has to work>So people choose to fly a ship into nightmare space and die horrific deaths and be tortured, not to mention all the space warsShit makes no sense.Even if you handwave it as people want to, why does Picard get a fuck huge vineyard?Surely not everyone has a massive mansion on a large plot of land. So theres still the rich and the poor
>>721814720Kirk would call upon his experience of the time he was split into two people and then forcibly reintegrated into one
>>721801776https://youtu.be/y2qGO3dOPOU?si=64h_gBoB6I4M6yix
I used to catch the stray TNG episode on spike and Voyager on fox but have never wat her either series in its entirety and these past few star trek threads has put me in a mood. Which one do I start?
>>721814981What is the human population in Trek anyways? They had their eugenics wars that wiped out like 90% of all humanity, I'd guess living space shouldn't be that much of a problem unless they all bred like rabbits for the next ~200 years.
>>721814981>So theres still the rich and the poorNo, there's the rich and the comfortably supported.Choosing to work gives you a higher status and wealth, but you aren't being left to rot, if you choose not to work.
>>721815146>You have to die, Tuvix.>So Tuvok and Neelix can live?>Tuvok and Neelix?
>>721815194It doesn't really matter. I started with DS9 because some cunt recommended it to me and it's still my favorite. But that's due to jews in space for the most part, they're just fucking fun.TOS can feel a bit antiquated. TNG is a bit rough in the first 1-2 seasons. Voyager and Enterprise should be left for last even though I personally really liked Enterprise.
How many ST episodes ARE there that can leave you saying 'Hey that was kind of a fucked-up thing to do when you think about it'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lQ1XIrXjls
>>721814981My theory on Star Trek as an overall thing is the original series was only ever really meant to be a show about three dudes having advenutres, and it mostly just incidentally touched on ideas like living in a post-racial society, and tackled a few ethical problems here and there (as was the norm for science fiction).I think as Gene got older, realised Star Trek was going to be his legacy, he increasingly fixated on the idea that his work was supposed to depict a "better world", and that's how you end up with a lot of the nonsense of the TNG light reboot.>Earth no longer has money, and everyone has equal access to everything, because that would be better>how does this work, gene?>shut up
>>721809334Still important enough at the time for MLK to tell the actress that she should keep at it after complaining she might quit the show because she didn't feel like she was given enough to do.
>>721815443She should have put his foot down for the naked three titted betazoidians and ferengis with huge codpieces instead
>>721815443As theories go that's a pretty objectively incorrect one
>>721815443>how does this work, gene?Replicators and antimatter energy sources.As far as empires are concerned feeding and housing people is a tiny fraction compared to building state of the art spaceships.>Yeah okay we can either feed the earth for the next ten years and supply them with power or build another Galaxy class starship, maybe the former is more useful
>>721815843I think the man talked a lot of shit, and Trekkies were happy to accept it because it elevated the corny show they like to something grander.If you actually watch TOS, so much of it is just not that. Even the movies up until like IV don't really have that much to do with Utopia, or the world of the future somehow being far more ethically advanced than our own. The "save the whales" thing I believe was more Leonard Nimoy's input, as well.
>>721814981Bear in mind that there are a lot of people right now who chose to join the military and get treated like shit for not a lot of money (and with the chance of a major war starting getting ever more likely) when they could easily have gotten some ordinary unremarkable job and lived reasonably comfortably.
>>721812373It's not exactly subtle but they captured the whole "no one gives a shit in the future anymore" mindset pretty well instead of turning everything into a preachy show of acceptance
>>721816245Doesn't the burger army pay for those exorbitant college fees depending on your contract, or is it just some media meme to get people to join?
>>721807260Thieves are happy they got someone else' property but that doesn't give them the right to keep it.
>>721816245Anon you are out of your mind, the 30k~ they give to idiots that sign up is life changing money for the poor people they trick. Theres also the free college.And all thats kind of besides the point you couldnt have picked a worse example since despite throwing free college and a pile of money at people they are still desperate for recruits because people dont wanna get shot at
>>721816387https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Billyou can use it yourself or give it to a family member
>Mrs. Janeway, I don't feel so good.....
>>721816624Shut up. There´s a parallel timeline in which you command Voyager-A, and that´s too damn good for you.
>>721816245There are at least three military branches where your odds of seeing combat, even in the event of a major war, are slim. Two of them mostly just sit around all day, every day. I have a better gig, but it was something I did consider at one point in time.
>>721801776>When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative: violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way.I'm 90% sure this game will be complete shit like most Star Trek games, but man I can't wait to make the Living Witness episode as canon as possible.Just going to go about having Janeway be as cruel and evil as possible. Anything to get home.
>>721802521Is there a lizard Janeway sex scene?
>>721802521>In the new Voyager game, you get to relive stories from the show and sometimes deviate from how those turned out.In my playthrough, they will finally be together for eternity, taking care of their little salamanders.Chakotay will be in charge.ALL HAIL AKOOCHEEMOYA
>>721816798in addition you opt into combat roles. if your asvab is high enough you can write your own ticket
>>721816387The post 9/11 GI Bill is the best offer anyone will ever give you short of marrying some octogonerian billionaire with no heirs and stage 4 cancer. You get 4 years of school, all fees and tuition paid for, your books paid for and then a monthly stipend for housing and food calculated on where you go to school so you don't have to work a job while you study. Being in the military does suck though for most branches, just a lot of bullshit and pointless suffering.
wtf is this game out yet
Star Trek is gay.
am i misremembering that Chakotay's religious nonsense had some basis in reality proving star fleet's assumption that religion bad makes them deliberately ignorant of facets of their universe?
>>721817102trekkers...
>>721812332Because Goku and Vegeta both consent to the fusion and its reversible you dumb fuck.
>>721817240
>>721816820There´s MirrorJaneway already so IDK.>>721817102So gay, glowing balls of light (Medusans) get them bitches *wet*.
>>721817354>There´s MirrorJaneway alreadyWhat do you mean?
>>721816542The USA isn't the only country in the world, there are hundreds of thousands of people from countries with well developed social safety nets and generally much less bleak outlooks for poor people who still decide that they want to go get yelled at all day and possibly shot at in the future for a lot less money than burgers get offered. And yeah pretty much every first world military is suffering from a recruitment crisis because military life is shit, but between them you've got enough people to crew a hell of a lot of Star Trek ships.
>>721808457Yes, you have brain damage.
>>721817617https://www.army.mil/article/286027/army_meets_fiscal_year_2025_recruiting_goals_four_months_early
>>721814360>This episode would be better if Tuvix decided on his own on separationthat would be boring
>>721815146>reading the comments>"nooo it's unethical because blablabla">"ruined star trek for me :("what an insufferable bunch
>>721814360it's funny because tuvok would find it logical and neelix would be kind enough to let 2 crewmans live
>>721803763>rosemary's babyI think you mean Sophie's Choice but it got a laugh out of me anyway
>>721814360>The episode would have been better if everything just conveniently worked out without disagreement or resistanceYou're a boring person
>>721817470https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kathryn_Janeway_(mirror)At least it isn´t from Rick & Trek.
>>721801776>You should be able to solve thisthe correct answer is to kill tuvix
>>721816434What if they're happier to have it than the person they stole it from is sad to have lost it?
>NG+ let's you get a secret ending where you spare the caretaker arraymake it happen
>>721812058Well the difference being that the DBZ fusions were voluntary and not accidents, and were done when such a thing was totally necessary in a dire situation.Plus we don't know that Tuvix was better than the previous two, he just insists that he is to prevent being split. Regardless, Tuvix couldn't possibly have done both jobs in a single body, so even in practical sense he was already less valuable to the ship
>>721814360100%. There was no way the show could keep Tuvix so he had to go but it should have been a sacrifice he made out of love for the crew.Having Janeway essentially murder a man that did nothing wrong begging for his life was pretty fucked up.>>721801776>What would you doLeave the choice to Tuvix while making sure he knows exactly what's at stake and how everyone feels.Fuck this "the federation's ideals don't count in delta quadrant" crap, if I've got to throw away those morals to survive than I'll die in Delta.
>>721813016>They're both still aliveNo they aren't They don't existThey're not "alive in Tuvix" in a literal sense any more than your father is alive in you.
>>721818164>not Mirror Janeway the Borg Queen from STO>not even the Mirror Janeway from the comicsTerrible.
>>721818164I was going to call you out for linking to some beta canon shit or something, had no idea about that being a thing now. Kind of forgot about that kid's show in general actually.
>>721811997
>>721814331The least they could have done was give him an Alamo episode with Worf.
>>721817617Practically most other cunts only have a military in name only because no one wants to sign up if it's voluntary, or it's mandatory and ends up being rather comfy anyway. In my cunt I had the choice between doing some gay civil service where they'd work me 50+ hours a week wiping old people's asses, or military service. Which was basically one year of fucking around with people I am still friends with, with zero chance of being sent into any sort of warzone.
It's not murder because Tuvix is not a real person
>>721818430Those are in Beta.Not my call.On the bright side, the mirror TNG uniforms are canon.
>>721813173>>721804812In TNG there's an episode where the Enterprise returns to a planet Riker had nearly been lost on way back in his career due to teleporter problems.When they get there they find another Riker that had been stranded there - the teleporter had materialized a Riker on the ship without dematerializing the one on the planet.Trek teleporters are absolutely death and cloning machines.
>>721814412Wasnt it an alternate universe copy like mirror Yar
>>721818620is anyone a real person in voyeurger?
>>721813006That was in a non-canon movie and non-canon Star Trek GT
>>721817296When they first canonically fused with potara they were told it would be permanent. They both didn't really agree to fuse, mostly doing it out of necessity to fight buu. Also the fusion in trek is reversible too (and just like DBZ potara it's one time thing only) so your point is moot.
>>721818708Nope. Don't even care if they brought Tom Riker back in DS9, it's not canon and it doesn't work like that.
>>721815227The eugenics wars were before WW3 iirc, so earth was proper fucked until they got FTL
>>721802784MAKE HORATIO GREAT AGAIN
>>721818236He actually proved himself capable more than the former two though, finishing job way quicker and better.
>>721814360>undermining the entire premise of the episode would have made it betterNo
>>721817791It's *those* Star Trek fans. People who have some kind of emotional dependency on Star Trek always having the answers to all moral problems. Those people are weird.
>>721818419Present the evidence that they are not then. Do you even know how fusion work bro?
>>721808457Star Trek becomes infinitely more appealing when you realize that its actually super goofy under the serious, "cerebral" sci-fi front that the franchise presents.
>>721818825State your reasoning, Chief.
>>721802784I will become.... The One
>>721816979>Joined the USAF and basically lived a civvie life but with PT requirementslol. lmao.
>>721814720Copy/Paste the buffer signal and then divide the alternate Tuvix.Picard would have done that. Kirk would have just tried a way to change Tuvix's gender so he could fuck it.
>>721817240why is his neck so fucking long what kind of alien is this
>>721803847What if we split both and get two Tuvoks and Neelixes?
>>721819213What if it made one million tiny Neelixes?
>>721818825Anon it is canonSo is parallelsSo is all of Lower DecksI'm so sorry.
>>721814720Picard would spend the entire episode tasking the crew with trying to figure out a way for the combined entity to live while they still get the two individuals back, but then the plan would fail with the split entity dying in the process and he gives a somber speech at the end about loss. Kirk probably would have just ordered them split without even having considered it a moral quandary for even a moment. The bulk of the episode would be chasing down the combined entity that is running around and hiding throughout the ship. After they catch and split him, somebody would make a joke about the whole situation and the bridge crew laughs it up as the episode cuts to the closing credits.
>>721801776What game is this?
>>721819002>Present the evidence that they do not exist Exhibit A: They do not exist. They are not around. You cannot speak with them. You cannot touch them.Case closed >Bro do you know how fusion works broFusion doesn't existIn Voyager what happens is a new and independent creature is accidentally made from the information making up two other distinct creatures.You are not literally your dad and your mom in one body
>>721819641Archer would plow the hot female Tuvix that emerged from the accidental fusion of two ugly men, which would then for whatever reason separate them back to Tuvok and Neelix.
>>721816245>when they could easily have gotten some ordinary unremarkable job and lived reasonably comfortably.This is not even close to true. Jobs are scarce even in the lowest sectors because nobody is hiring (they put out ads and openings to get govt gibs, but they are not actually hiring. Why would they when customers put up with shit service from shaniquas in retail and food, and good little office goy will take on every single other job themselves with no extra pay?)
>>721819092>>721810706Because it's an asinine non-argument made by nerds who need to make something dark out of something that isn't, as well as a willful disregard of the fact that writers for an episodic show are more interested in making good television than adhering to a set-in-stone canon of what can and can't be done.Do people still feel the need to jerk off over the collapse of all space/time caused by warp travel due to that one episode that said warp fields raped the foundation of reality? No, because it was a one off episode they quickly waved away because nobody wanted to have that constantly brought up in the show. There's no extended discussions of how alien species that don't know or don't care to change their warp drives are still fundamentally destroying the galaxy like there is retarded "transporter KILL! CLONE!!" 'discussion'.If you want to gossip about how just getting from A to B is some normalized mass slaughter of the innocent go to a Warhammer 40k thread.
>>721819015>>721808457Most of Star Trek sucks and is way more soap opera than sci-fiTNG had some amazing seasons and DS9 had some fantastic acting and episodes in parts, but most of Trek is schlock at best.
>>721814331Hard Time is just fucking unforgivable what they did to him. Especially enforcing it on what might as well have been an alien to that authoritarian nightmare world they went to.>help someone because its the right thing to do>gets a 25 year long prison sentence in your brain
>>721819685https://store.steampowered.com/app/2643390/Star_Trek_Voyager__Across_the_Unknown/
>>721819829Stop mixing watsonian and doylist shit anonThe episode is canon and that's finePersonally I find it hilarious to think that the federation is basically ignoring their version of global warming and that most of society regularly commits suicide to avoid taking a shuttle
>>721819806The fusion in Enterprise obviously would have been T'pol and Hoshi
>>721816245Poverty is literally the number one reason people join the military.You're given food, housing, in some cases an education, all for the low low price of all of your rights and your health and your mental health
>>721819806>>721820139If we go with the pattern of most useful member of the crew being fused with the least, the TNG version of the episode would fuse Data and Troi.
>>721819948>lmao stop being silly, Miles, you were only in there for like 2 minutes :)>You're fine :)))The fact not a soul took him seriously until he was ready to phaser himself is possibly the worst part, nobody cared. Also holy shit, he put that phaser on the maximum setting, he was ready to blow half the room up with him
>>721803497One detail people leave out, Tuvix existed for awhile. Weeks if not months while the episode acts like it was a day or two if you don't pay attention. A long time for a new creation to become established.
>>721820268Back in the day the choice was usually join the military or starve because there is a 'surprise' famine and the military is now hoarding all the food
>>721820382It would be Data and Geinen.
>>721820769Geinen ranks above Troi for usefulness
>>721820105Oh a new game, neat. I'll add this to my wishlist
>>721820769>>721820834It couldnt' be Guinan, Picard is too emotionally invested in her for it to be a fair discussion. It has to be someone on the crew and not Captain's Alien Best Friend
>>721820769Geinen actually helps occasionally.Although the narrative of the extremely experienced Gainen and the full knowledge of Data fusing would have been intriguing.
>>721801776>To kill a brown or not to kill a brown, that is the questionShe made the right choice. Yeah, we still had to deal with Tuvok for the rest of the series but no decision is entirely perfect.
>>721814720Picard would talk to Tuvix and give him the freedom to decide. Tuvix agrees to split back into two people because he was content to be treated like an individual and feels it wouldn't be fair to deprive someone they respected so much to take away two people so that one can live.
>>721820382>Data with not just a complete understanding of emotions but psychic abilities amplified by the positronic brainI don't think you could forcefully unfuse them even if you wanted to. That fusion has both the crew and the ship systems dancing on their fingertips. Rogue Data is already a threat, Datroi/Troita is a monster.
>>721811732>Trek literally teaches us that there is no need to fear words>Millenials fears even the name retardTNG's early seasons before Picard took Kirk's words to his heart did more damage to trek than Kurtzman.Worse is that Kurtzman exists because of this.
>>721812747In the end, Seven pulled the large keikaku and won bigly, like Kirk and the OG crew would do.>>721813693She is Rule63 Kirk
>>721819126Air force always had a higher standard of living than amry when I was in long ago but you still have to live in the same shit fucking areas we did.
>>721812058It's not the same because no character gave a shit that Potara was permanent (before the retcon) and they will "stop existing". Goku even worries that if he fuses with Gohan HE will have to go to school. The fusions themselves don't give a shit that they cease to exist after less than an hour. And this is in an arc where Goku points out that someone dying in a dead body erases them so the concept clearly exists in the verse. Fusion in DB most likely works in a way that both fusees maintain continuity of consciousness. One moment you're Goku/Vegeta next moment you're Gogeta then you're Goku/Vegeta again. Nobody ceases to exist at any point.This is metaphysically more sound and offers a simple answer to the vertiginous question where "you-ness" is based on continuity of thought.
>>721821401This is assuming it's a perfect fusion that only works well for the fused entity. It could also be that Troi's half-Betazed telepathy drives the fusion insane like that guy who bonds with the alien ship just to get away from other people's thoughts. Spends the whole episode being told he can work through it but by the end he's adamant he has to be split back into Troi and Data because he can't exist like this.
>>721821654I think an approach like this would be the likely outcome, its like the one episode where Data gets emotions wirelessly through Lore and goes kind of nuts over them
>>721801776I will now buy your game
>>721816217Nimoy was still the reasonable man over gene's ideas at the end, if you ever see the old trek meetings with him and shatner on youtube, you see how grounded both were with gene's ideas in the movies, and at that time the movies were being made, TNG happened, and Gene went to focus more on TNG than the OG which let Nimoy and Shatner keeping the boat afloat til ST6.When Gene died, DS9 happened and the entire show once the TNG producers left for voyager left, began praising OG trek and exposing how bad the idea of "utopia" Gene had in a universe where there is always war, and mankind lost the meaning of waging war.The Dominion War was a huge wake up call for that, it sucks that fucking Kurtzmann ruined that with nutrek and picard's 1st 2 seasons.
>>721821584My brother was stationed at Ft Meade and the government paid him a monthly stipend because the dorms werent up to AF living standards, its a fucking joke.
>>721813870Not to mention Tuvok has a wife and child who probably don't want to see him as a mutant hedgehog freak
>>721811732It pisses me off how incomprehensibly retarded liberals are. Insults work by crossing the line of taboo so the more no-no an insult or slur becomes the more potent it is. It's the same reason why there are no real slurs for white people. It is not taboo at all to insult someone for being white so the slurs are powerless. By raising such a massive stink around the word nigger, they supercharged the slur to previously not known levels. And how does it look from the pov of a black person? They invented a name for your race and then decided the word is actually the worst unspeakable word to have ever eixsted.
>>721823017They are Vulcans, I doubt they would care that much once the situation is explained to them.
>>721823129that's retarded, not only does he look like a mutant but there is a complete stranger in his head, warping the character both of them previously cared for. They'd treat him as an abomination, in a composed Vulcan manner, I suppose
>>721823097It's literally that meme of the guy drawing monsters to be scared of. No one was getting traumatised by people saying tranny, back before they specifically decided it was a slur. Now we *have* a slur that we can use against them, if we want.On the other hand "queer" was effectively reclaimed and now no longer is a slur, just because people stopped caring and decided to embrace it instead.It's so fucking stupid.
>>721817240good to see in the 24th century that lad isn't skipping leg day
>>721816857I hate Braga for exactly this purpose>hurhhh warp 10 is infinity speed and evolves your DNAfuck YOU BRAGA
>>721817729have those goals been consistent? or did they lop them in half, and then "exceed them swimmingly"?
>>721823593Warp 10 being everywhere all at once was established in TNG
>>721816624That's Captain Janeway to you, creature.
>Keeping Tuvix alive means the effective death of two crew members>Killing Tuvix would eliminate an entire new species in one fell swoopsuch deep choices for Genocide Janeway
>>721823729except the pasteur could go warp 13
>>721818269>>721814360Hey I found the faggots jerking DS9 off
>>721817232>am i misremembering that Chakotay's religious nonsense had some basis in realityYou are because the so called injun culture advisor was a jewish scam artist that literally pulled all if those ancient stories out of his ass.
>>721823931Defined by the writers later as Warp 9.9 and the Warp scale changed to reflect it
>>721823715>OH YEAH, IS THAT REAL?>OR DID THIS NONSENSICAL SCENARIO THAT I JUST CAME UP WITH TO ENSURE I WON'T LOSE THIS ARGUMENT HAPPEN???Retard
saving tuvix kills tuvok (a nigger) and neelix (a spiritual nigger)
>>721819356Bioweapon war crime
This thread is better than anything that /tv/ shits out.
>>721820382>can directly empathise with the ship>causes it to crash
>>721820519He didn't want to risk bashir bringing him back to suffer more
>>721824592The ship has the same voice as Lwaxana so this will obviously cause issues
>>721814981Did you miss the fact that it only applies to the federation and how there's plenty of other factions with limited resources
>>721823097remember when tarantino said that if a word like nigger is so powerful then it should be screamed as loud as possible at the top of everyone's lungs at the top the world so everyone could hear be enslaved by it, or something like thati remember
>>721814720>Tell us genius, what would picard>Your Honor, Starfleet was founded to seek out new life. Well, there it sits!He's not murdering a new lifeform, no matter how much it pains him to lose two friends
>>721814193shitty people only exist because we aren't fused yet
>>721819948Pissed me off how it was treated as a non issue. Sisko was more pissed at Jake and Nog in the baseball card episode than he was about a hostile alien force literally mind raping his crew member. Should have been Kira, she barely suffers at all during the series compared to everybody else and she's such a cunt.
>>721801776Easy: kill Tuvix, triple kill
Who's on your dream crew?
>>721825174In fairness to everyone else, Starfleet people probably don't deal with full on mental illness or PTSD very much.
>>721825174>she barely suffers at allSome spoonhead she accidentally scarred for life kills all her Bajoran friends in horrific ways. Her boyfriend becomes a braindead vegetable. She gets spoonhead plastic surgery and forced into Obsidian Order shenanigans, so she can later watch her adopted father die after finding out he did War Crimes. She wasn't there when her real father died and finds out her mother was a collaborator fuckhole for Gul Dukat.
>>721825514Team Kirk is stacked, Team Janeway is fucked
>>721825514How are these teams even fair
>>721824089That anon didn't mean real life reality, he meant in the show's reality. It's kind of hazy a couple times on if Chakotay's tribe had actual magical powers or not.
>>721825514wow what a setup
>>721825651Bones & Worf sound like they would have amazing conversations.
>>721801776Remember in the TNG episode "The Enemy" when Worf refuses to do a blood transfusion to save a Romulan and Picard refused to order Worf to do it despite risking conflict with the Romulans because it would violate Worf's autonomy? Picard is truly the supreme starfleet officer even after killing Sisko's wife.
>>721812058Because one was a highly skilled and experienced science officer, and the other was the ships cook
>>721825514Gee Sisko how come you get three yellow skinned people
>>721802784Perfect Janeway, the most terrifying being in the universe
>>721813261>>721801776>>721802521No option to kill all 3?
>>721825791>Military commander is good because he was too much of a bitch to tell his soldier to do his job>Even though an ungodly amount of innocents could've been endangered from this actionNah
>>721825945midwit
>>721825651>Riker & Janeway both know they're fucked.
>>721825945Starfleet is built different, unless you are an admiral then you automatically become an evil glowie
>>721825945romulans deserve to die
>>721826027Only Admiral Ross is based because he helped Section 31, the good glowies.
>>721825514Just beam Data over to the other ships and watch as he solos the entire crew, what are they going to do?>>721825945Well Gee anon, what if they wanted to rape Troi to preserve the peace? Would you let them turn Troi into the next Tasha? What if that Romulan needed immediate half betazoid sex to surivive?
>>721825514Janeway, Seven, Kira, Beverly, Uhura, Dax, DeannaI'd put T'pol in there but she's not on the list
>>721825945>Worf doesn't want to do it>the Romulan doesn't want it done>"what if Picard simply forced himself on both people, sacrificing his own principles to save someone just as likely to start shit for being saved against his will as his death would cause?"Actually forcing the Romulan to take Klingon blood would've caused an incident even when they found the second pilot of the 'one man' scoutship.
>>721826102Section 31 is the worst concept the franchise ever came up with
>>721826102section 31 seemed pretty jew coded how i remember them
>>721826108>A simple blood transfusion we can do even with babies safely with our current tech is the same as literal rape????Anon that's the worst take in the thread somehow
>>721802521>>721813261The real question is what did Tuvok and Neelix think once they were separated again?
>>721826217Yes, dipshit. Bodily autonomy is important. If someone doesn't want to give blood you cannot make them, if someone doesn't want to receive blood you cannot make them. This is simple shit here.
>>721826108>Just beam Data over to the other ships and watch as he solos the entire crew, what are they going to do?Odo crawls into his ass and turns him off
>>721826323They had no memory of the incident, they were restored to the moment before the fusion happened
>>721826108Odo might be able to stop Data.>>721826171top kek, I love those dudes, hated how Obrien tried to "redeem" Sloan. The best part is that S31 secretly infecting Odo with customized super space AIDS is the sole reason the feddies survived the Dominion War.
>>721826205They were only subversive and destructive towards the enemies of the federation, not their host country.
>>721814141Keiko shit-tested him when she got age-regressed with her memories intact and now uses it as a weapon against him to control his life for her benefit.But he got to stretch it once
>>721815443Yeah, this is the theory of someone who has never watched TOS.>three dudes having an adventureYou mean over 200 souls on board the Enterprise? As part of Starfleet?
>>721826384Section 31 in DS9 wasn't that bad, but the concept existing became a franchise ruining wedge once JJ got his hands on it, and only got worse with the STD writers and onward.
>>721808457Depends on what you are trying. If you don't like TOS or next Gen you just have terminal shit taste
>>721825514team picard would win. i would pay money to watch the crew meetings of team sisko. janeway and riker would be by far the most entertaining to watch
>>721814720The whole problem is the handwavey bullshit about transporter clones.-if Tuvok & Neelix are dead, killing someone to bring them back is wrong.-especially if you can just do it without killing anyone via cloning-if Tuvix is more like an alien parasite with an unconcious but alive Tuvok and Neelix in its gut, then sure kill it & rescue the originals
>>721825514Janeway, Data, Spock, Odo, Worf, Seven, Doctor
>>721826531Extras only existed to either look pretty in a skirt or die to the enemy/monster/anomaly of the week>>721826575JewJew fucked up the franchise in multiple ways and then others finished it off. That fate remains no matter if S31 exists or not.
I dunno man, all the semantics and moral quandaries feel stupidI would absolutely save 2 people, especially two people that I know, like and trust in a horrible life or death scenario where we have no reinforcements over some random fella who is probably nice too
>>721826715Watch more TOS, newfag.
>>721826745>yea so anyways I just murder people because I could see a personal gainactual GTA protag
>>721826585Team Kirk would win, his team is stacked with mostly hyper-competent people. Picard's team has some dead weight.
>>721826745what if the random fella had all the skills and knowledge of those two people you know and trust (and also was literally those two people)
>>721826575>ds9>section 31 are duplicitous cunts but unironically win the war>nu-trek>cartoon villains and then whatever the fuck kurtzman tried to do with iti don't understand how they fucked it up that hard, or why Kurtzman in particular had such a boner for S31. DS9 is the only show where they were plot important
>>721826485>the Federation is built on principles like not genociding entire species no matter how helpful it would be to their long term security>Section 31 decides to genocide the Founders to protect the Federation in the long term"We'll do <terrible crime> to protect you because you can't/won't" is just as subversive as the Tal Shiar or the Obsidian Order trying to figure out how to collapse Federation society
>>721825514>Bones & Kirk learn about the Rules of Acquisition>Cue shenanigans
>>721826825Data once solo'd the entire crew of the enterprise ona fucking dime. Even Q outright said he could rule the entire Federation if he really wanted to and it would be better for it. If Data is written according to his actual abilities he carries his entire team no matter who it is.
>>721826857>i don't understand why a jew had a boner for an above-the-law organisation
>>721825514Team Kirk looks OP at a glance but Tuvok isn't Spock (though Dax might be) and Worf and Kirk are going to butt heads. O'Brien MVP.Team Picard is going to run as smooth as butter holy shit I'm in awe of the autisistic competence on display.Team Sisko is lowkey carried by Bashir & Data, Team Janeway is definitely a team.
>>721826825Spock, Seven and Odo is by far the most competent group there, and Picard is the only captain of the 3 i think could wrangle themand then someone posts >>721827037 what i was going to say about Data. Sisko and Chakotay would NOT be able to work with Data correctly imho and as such he'd be hindered. in addition, team picard has Laforge, who isn't that special but he's the one with the most knowledge of Data
>>721801776>>721802521The correct answer is to separate them, the abomination is a mistake and has no rights to choose
>>721826879>billions must die or live enslaved as long as muh principles are upheldAbsolute fucking faggotry, imagine putting your opinions about life above society itself
>>721802784The Thing.Also The Tyranids.
Come to Quark's Quark's is funCome right nowDon't walk... RUN!
>>721827037Spock vs. Data in a debate/quiz.
>>721826857>unironically win the warThe war is won by Odo giving the Founders the cure. By trusting that he can talk to his own people as reasonable beings and convince them that, even in spite of infecting the whole Link with a virus, they're still wrong to judge all Solids as the enemy and that peace is possible.Section 31 just wanted them dead. Starfleet was officially of the opinion that their deaths were for the best and no effort would be made to cure them. Even Garak is right there threatening to shoot Odo at the final moment. Nobody wanted to save the Founders. But he does and he saves a lot of bloodshed for when the Gods die and the Jem'hadar go on the rampage. 31 don't get good boy points for giving him that opening.
>>721827312>the entire sum of knowledge of every race across historyvs>same faggot dweeb's OC that will stop Rusty from stealing his lunchmoney
>>721827163In the comic, Kirk actually told Worf, despite it all they were on the same side, and klingon or not, he deserves to wear that uniform.
>>721827221>I have no principles and am little more than an animal in clothesYes, yes, thank you for your input, you chimp
>>721827221>His only goal was to fuck as many foreign women as possible.
Split Tuvix. He is a fused individual, whose components consist of two other individuals. Cultivate the alien flowers, and you can thus recreate Tuvix whenever necessary. This way you can consider fused individuals as temporary/emergency assets and not mistakes to be corrected.
>>721826334>>721826384I never did like how powerful changelings were, just watch as they fly away and turn into a part of the bulk head and then blast out a tendril to knock out several enemies. But in this case even if Picard told Odo about Data's off switch I'm sure Sisko could install phaser's into Data's eyes and sweep the room. I'm sorry that's just how it would play out, synthetic life is just too strong.
>>721802521Eject him out the airlock, thereby killing 3 entities, maximizing the amount of xp I get from this encounter.
i can never make it through voyager, i simply don't like most of the cast desu
>>721801776Kapla, the honor of you and your house is secured with our special 30 year fixed-rate mortgage!
>>721827351Without the disease the founders roflstomp the Federation and Ode can't to shit to stop them. Letting them live might not have been S31 original plan but the goal of saving the Federation was achieved anyway.>>721827516If an Empire/Government does not have the basic principle of protecting their own citizens they are complete and utter trash
>>721827351i wasn't giving them good boy points, I just said they won the warwhich they did
>>721827593Phaser sweeps were deliberately pointless placebo procedures. No Changeling is going to hide as someone's luggage or their office furniture the moment they hear about it. They'll be in all the vents or crawlspaces where it's infinitely harder to wave a phaser around.
DS9 has so many unlikeable characters its actually shocking how miserable these characters are. The best DS9 characters are unironically TNG characters, Worf and Obrien. Bashir is the absolute worst. Furthermore, the best DS9 episodes are standalone rather than any gay fag dominion war bullshit.
>>721814904Picard could've ordered Worf to give blood to save the romulan in The Enemy, but he didn't.He wouldn't have ordered Tuvix, but he would have convinced Tuvix that Tuvix has a moral responsibility to the crew, to the mission and to Tuvok's family that being separate was more valuable than Tuvix's personal comfort.
The random Janeway romance episodes were weird, e.g. the time she gets brainwashed into working on a factory or with that one inspector alien.
>>721827037Data when operating on pure instinct to execute a given programmed directive is unstoppable yes. He's nowhere near as competent when operating under his normal personality though.
>>721827894>it's a Jadzia klingon nonsense episodethank god they brought worf on eventually
>>721827894
How would YOU fix modern Trek?Hardmode: everything under Paramount stays canon
>>721827221But their society is based on those opinions! Not everyone would be willing to die for it but trying to strive to match the ideals of the federation is the entire conceit of the show!>>721827838Oi it was Sisko who brought the Romulans into the war, it was the prophets who teleported the Jem hadar fleet and kept the worm hole closed, and it was Odo who convinced the female changeling to stand down and prevent a further dragged out conflict. Section 31 contributed but I wouldn't say they won the war, in fact I'd say them trying to wipe out the founders was going to make things worse by the end.
>>721828082cancel everything and let it rest
Wacky DS9 is fine, single episode DS9 is fine.Overarching plot DS9 is so fucking stupid.
>>721828208
>>721828208i was fine with the war plot until they start doing ridiculous 5+ episode arcs in season 6. And the prophets shit at the very end is laughably badjust not what i'm looking for in trek
>>721810162No, it works exactly like that. Riker got split into 2 people due to a pattern buffer thing, and not in the Kirk way. It sort of secured that transporters are every bit the nightmare technohorror death device everyone always jokes about.
>>721828310>Draper is actually always incredibly self-concious and thinking of Michael ALL THE FUCKING TIMEyep, an accurate portrait of reality
>>721825514theres no doctor on janeway's team...
>>721828208Dominion War was the best part?
>>721828629Why would you need to heal sick people? If they were competent, they wouldn't get sick. Dead losers don't consume resources.
>>721803207First good thing I ever heard about nutrek
>>721801776she should have killed Tuvix AND Neelix, and just keep tuvok
>>721828629Janeway isn't going to let herself be slowed down by injured crew members
the only nu-trek I've seen is the movies and all i remember about them is that the only thing they could come up with is le bad guy has... le big ship
Still never forgiving Kurtzmann and whoever else wrote the dreck that was Picard for making Starfleet willing to create a race of synthetic slaves.
>>721828096There is nothing wrong with a society that does not want to go out and conquer or destroy other species but when they are incapable of doing so even at the cost of their own existence, it seals their grave fate.I am also certain that if SF Command had put it to a public vote, A) Kill the Founder and survive or B) Billions must die, they would chose the former. Beyond that, the Wormhole Aliens and the Romulan false flag were certainly pivotal to the war effort but in the end the Founders still steamroll through the Alpha quadrant. If they die their Empire collapses as the Vorta and Jem'Hadar descend into chaos.
>>721801776Separate them and then vent Neelix out an airlock
>>721827163>and Worf and Kirk are going to butt heads.Worf will be begging Kirk to calm things down.
>>721828904uh you can't expect jewish show runners to have watched Measure of a Man, sweaty
>>721828904Did you ever watch the Voyager episode where we see all the failed HMS in the Federation being sent to the fucking mines?
>>721825118That doesn't make any sense at all. If anything, I'd be more willing to believe the opposite. Studies on mixing up good and bad students find that bad students influence good students to be worse, but good students don't influence bad students to be better. If a good person and a shitty person fused, the end result would more likely to be a shitty person.
>>721829145with tiny pickaxes a PA ran and bought from home depot
Show me NeeNee and TuTu
>>721829190*voyager is total dogshit without exception btw
>>721826820Shut the fuck up bike cuck
>>721828082Cancel everything and delist everything from STD onward
>>721829145Wasn't that supposed to be a fringe mining colony and not a systemic thing that Starfleet was doing? I dunno, it felt different.
i tried watching voyager and got to an episode where Kess was eating dirt because she was horny or something, didn't watch very far after that lmao
is Strange New Worlds any good?Last trek i bothered with was Enterprise
>>721829414Voyager is incredibly bad overall. The first season makes the rest of Voyager look like high-cinema with how fucking bad it is.
>>721829364From what I remember that version of HME was deemed a failure and discontinued, on the Prometheus Andy Dick plays the new version.
>>721829443it's not as bad as discovery, but it's still pretty bad
>>721826745I would too but Starfleet and Starfleet officers are supposed to be better than me and not murder a guy even if it will bring their dead friends back to life.
>>721829443It has good episodes but overall its still bad, terminally incapable of taking itself seriously for longer than 5 minutes.
>>721819829>it's not canon because I don't like it
>>721829558Yeah, it's been a minute since I've seen Voyager at all so I'd need to rewatch it.
>>721829589There's no Starfleet in the Delta QuadrantNeelix wasn't a person who signed up to Starfleet but an innocent civilian caught in the crossfires of barbarians seeking refuge
>>721803207because it fucking was
>>721829353I SAID gimmie the BRANDY!
>>721829353>>721829420>>721829523>>721829617>>721829701>>721829785stop being druk
>>721829549it's a shame because I did really like the initial premise of them getting thrown into bumfuck nowhere, then they did almost fuckall with it the rest of season 1i know the show eventually becomes about the borg or whatever but I just don't care enough to ever continue it. The cast is very bland and a lot of the scripts feel like ones that got rejected for TNG
>>721829846
data is such a fun character, like even all series rivalry aside he's great. honestly I just love androids with burgeoning personality learning to exist, and they played it off fantastically with data more often than not
>>721829594>terminally incapable of taking itself seriously for longer than 5 minutes.ffs... capeshit and its consequences
"Murder" is not a real idea if resurrection is too. Tuvix wasn't murdered in cold blood for shits and giggles
>>721829589I wish they'd murdered him a little earlier in the episode so at least they'd have time for Tuvok to say it was murder. Instead it can't ever come up again in an episodic show.
>>721801776There is no moral dilemma here. Tuvix is a creepy, sinister, selfish, and cowardly abomination. He never should have existed and his "life" comes at the cost of two people losing theirs.Hit the LCARS Ensign. With extreme prejudice.
>>721829923>he show eventually becomes about the borgAbout ruining the Borg
>>721829961that is their goal, they've been trying to make it a quippy bullshit IP literally since the first JJ movie
>>721825514Insaneway. The others will keep to their morals and duty, tell her that she'll get coffee if her team wins and she kills them all barehanded.
>>721829932Data and Spock are essentially the heart of the franchise, and frequently the source of the funniest moments. Truly inspired characters.
>>721812058>Why wouldn't you want the sum of two guys who not only have all skills of former but are also the better sum?Tuvix was an annoying retard who everyone hated and his presence was actively lowering crew morale. Not even kidding, this played a role in the decision to kill him.
>>721829998If there were an episode with aliens that have some sci-fi machine that would split children up and resurrect them into their two dead parents, repeated for eternity, no one would blink about calling that evil. You're just a retarded Voyager fan that defends the episode because it's Voyager and you don't want the writers to look any worse.
>>721828913They'd die but there's no way to know how long it'd take for the Jem Hadar to be dealt with, the founders might have been their gods but the fleets that were surrounding Cardassia and the part of the quadrant the dominion was occupying weren't being micromanaged by the founders, they were winning engagements with their vorta overseers and the first of the Jem Hadar. Of course in the fallout of the death of all the founders who's to say the Jem Hadar wouldn't immediately fall into civil war but the risk of the war continuing on as the fleets of the dominion try to kill as many people as they can to avenge their masters is way too dangerous to allow to happen. That might as well be a death kneel for the federation. Odo convincing the female changeling to stand down ended almost all hostilities immediately and that wouldn't have happened if Bashir and O'Brien didn't stop section 31.It's not a choice of kill the Founders or let billions die in other words. Ds9 at the end gave the option to wage war or not to wage war, to believe that there was peaceful settlement of the issue.
>>721830213spock is good too yeah, they act as amazing foils to everything else going on. I think data just shines really well in his solo moments, but I think the tng cast really were having a lot of fun, datas actor especially and it shone through at times like that
>>721830228In this case the parents didn't want a kid and didn't die of natural causes
>>721830228what sort of stupid ass logic is this?
>>721803497There is no other way to view Tuvix as anything other than sniveling and evil. The way he begs everyone to protect him and take his side is fucking creepy. He gives off sexual predator vibes.
>>721817240don't go to engineering today
>>721826857>S31 is this super sekrit organization>not even admirals have control over them>STD>S31 members wear black com badges and everyone knows who they are
>>721828082Paramount shit is a mirror universe.
>>721801776if i separate them, can i still space neelix or would it be better to just space them as is?
>>721828904>plot of a Season 2 TNG episode>noooo Kuntzman how could you?!
>>721829846How does Bones fair in TNG, DS9 & VOY?
>>721830807>It's a "Bones struggles letting The Doctor handle the medical duties" episode
been watching TNGfuckin hell seasons 4 and 5 are insanely good, only a few weak episodes stood out mainly the masterpiece society one where Troi acts like a complete moron for no reason
>>721825514How quickly does Janeway get fragged
>>721830807Is there any episode in TOS or anything in the movies that makes Bones look especially competent at being a doctor as opposed to just being the voice of folksy morality
>>721801776I wonder if every planet will still just look like southern caliWho went around nuking every unexplored planet into desert shitholes anyway
>>721831198He did save that weird lumpy monster in the mines once.
>>721831086S5 is the peak of the show, S6 is a slight downward trend, and then in S7 it really starts running out of steam.
>>721825514>team kirklooks like they might be willing to do what ever dumb shit is necessary, screw the costs to o'neil>picardobjective and calculative and probably drinking tea and waiting things out>siskoteam diversity hire and possibly conflicting values>janewaythey are just going to shooting people
>>721831283Mars is a desert shithole without any nuking
>>721830212Wrong. Kirk fucks her so hard she fights the other 2 teams and forfeits at the end
>>721829159i'm not talking about sitting next to you, anon. we are going to become one, no homo
>>721831368I guess the better question is who pumped air into all these lifeless desert shithole planets?
theres a new voyager game? what?
>>721827351>31 don't get good boy points for giving him that opening.They do, actually. They put the founders at a horrible and exestential disadvantage, on purpose, and this is what allowed the war to be won. They they would have exploited the leverage generated by the virus differently does not change this.
>>721830061First Contact already did that.
>>721801776can you play as a catian in this game
>>721829008This>Let's just go beat the shit out of them>Captain I would advice against it data is... Really strong>Don't worry about me Worf your the one who's going to fight him
>>721825514Picards team isnt even fair wtf
>>721831575The movies ruined most things in ST but at least they are contained in a different format.
For some reason a TV channel here would broadcast Voyager right around dinner time, from season 1 all the way to the start of the final season and then start over again. I hate Janeway so fucking much.
>>721831287That's the day he stopped being a doctor and started being a bricklayer
>>721831305def the feeling i got, I just started 6 last nighttoo many great episodes in season 5 for me to even name all of them, Cause and Effect was probably my favorite
>>721827351Section 31 being useful is late season shittiness that damages the setting. In proper Trek morality rooting them out and destroying them should have been the key to salvation.
>>721831639>Don't worry about me Worf your the one who's going to fight himKek
>>721831497From Deadalic, they made the Deponia and that awful Gollum games. This one seems to have XCOM like base building within Voyager.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrbfGbfelvY
>>721831642>Why did Q stack it in favour of his favouriteCmon anon
>>721814720Picard would do everything in his power to bring the former crew back while keeping the fused individual alive. The episode would of course pander entirely to Picard and make him look right in the end.Kirk already had the a similar episode where he was split in two, (one weak and soft and the other cold and ruthless) and the crew forced him back into becoming one again. In his position, Kirk would do the same thing, because he's very much the "needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."Archer would straight up kill the individual like he did with Sim. Then he would give him a half assed "thanks."
>>721831809Data > everybody else
>>721831504They weren't going to "exploit the leverage", they just wanted the Founders dead. Something that was already established to be a bad end because the Jem'hadar would go wild without their leadership. On both sides of the wormhole. Millions more would still die but it was considered an acceptable long term loss. All done in the belief that the Founders were totally unreasonable and diplomacy of any sort short of total surrender would never work.So, no, they don't get to look any part the heroes for attempted genocide and sacrifice of innocents.
>>721831794i thought they closed down after that fiasco
>>721831889Wrong.
/v/ trek threads are so much better than /tv/
>>721831198I think somehow the '60s didn't really conceive of doctors as being good or bad, everyone just knew the benignly useless country pud that was there telling them there was nothing to be done when meemaw died.
>>721831864>because he's very much the "needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."ok but to be fair, what about that one "the needs of the few outweight the needs of the many" moment. he's got his moments
>>721831889Data + Sisko is a pretty strong team with just them alone but Spock, Seven of Nine and Odo is insane
>>721831719kek
>>721825174>>721820519That was the point, everybody else believed things were fine and the aliens that created the mental prison shit weren't hiding anything when they explained it. Something like this has never happened before and, just like thalidomide, it took a long while for people to realize it actually can cause horrible side effects.
>>721831898They were bought by a french company in 2022 and had to close their german dev team after the Gollum flop. The name lives on, who knows how many of the original guys are still around.
>>721818179bike cvck, pls leave
>>721814645They didn't, and the episode is never referenced later. This is a major issue with Star Trek in general; deep, moral quandaries are treated as a monster-of-the-week.
>>721832003They are strong yes but none of them are capable of soloing the entire rest of the crew and I don't mean just the bridge crew.
>>721814981>In the future resources are infinite so no one has to workShit like this is really only for Earth and the rest of Starfleet's home system.
>>721827890Just install phasers in the vents
>>721831897>All done in the belief that the Founders were totally unreasonable and diplomacy of any sortThey are. The only reason they accepted the truce is because they're ageless beings capable of patience. Giving them room to breathe guarantees a second dominion war, which the alpha quadrant will lose.>they don't get to look any part the heroesThey are the heroes. They won the war. Then Sisko's crew threw it away.
>>721831752Kidnapping Sloan and stealing the cure from him after he points out there's no real life office where Section 31 works from, it's all in the heads of a select few like him, and then him dying is the closest the show could get to "the heroes took down the evil Section 31 and thwarted their evil schemes" with the time they had left to finish all the other plot points.
>>721831067>Bones drinks everyone under the table at Quark's>Martok thinks he's part Klingon due to how much blood wine how he drunk
>>721814720Picard would get his underaged, adolescent space samurai twink to behead him, thus creating Two-Tuvix
>>721832001He does have those moments, like with the Horta.But when it comes to crew members on his ship, Kirk seems very adamant about his ship and original crew first before others. So if Neelix and Tuvok were part of his crew, I fully believe Kirk would try to find another way but ultimately wouldn't hesitate to kill Tuvox if there was no other way.
>>721832174The q conflict wasnt a fight, it was problem solving exercises.
First thing voyager should have done (in general) is hack their fucking teleporter and buffer every single one of the crew when you're at the ass end of the galaxy
>>721832210>headcanon that goes against what's shown in the show.
>>721832323yeah when you word it that way thats fair, I was thinking if he considered tuvox a part of the crew for whatever reason but I dont imagine him liking the character, and what he did for spock was just as much something for a friend as it was for crew
>>721814331i don't remember him suffering that much in disaster aside from Ro being annoying
>>721805030Thats is an alarmly dangerous viewpoint
>>721832210The Dominion would return but I suppose ascended Sisko would put a lock on the Wormhole for that case.>>721832335How many can solve the problem of hijacking the Flagship of Starfleet while the entire crew + captain try to stop you?
>>721832210Maybe Odo was just that convincingThe one Changeling who saw the Federation as it was, warts and all, was capable of convincing his own people that the Federation was in fact worth keeping around
>>721829190>>721829263I love Voyager in a goofy B-movie kind of way
>>721832504How so?
>>721832174Data both can and HAS solod and commendeered his ship anon
>>721832323When the guy said no I don't want to die no other Starfleet character in the history of the show or movies would have murdered him. You are a retarded Voyager fan trying to rationalize the insane writing of a terrible show because you watched it at age 6.
>>721801776Fuck em.
>>721805030why does the original have to be wiped at all? just make infinite copies that way none of me will die a virgin.
>>721822491I did AIT there, they were Army Nice in that I didn't see any black mold or bits of the building falling off.
>>721803763How is it evil to choose the lives of two crew members over one? It was a difficult choice and she made it, as captain, that's her job.
Restore them both back of course. Do you have any idea what kind of paperwork nightmare everything would become?
>>721832520>just beam Data into the sunYour move
>>721825514i propose team>wesley>neelix (with a complementary kes under the table)>morn>nog>emh zimmerman>rogue trader harry mudd
>>721814331Who suffered more, O'Brien or Geordi? I just remember a ton of episodes from TNG where Gerodi was either turned into an alien or tortured. He was the whipping boy on TNG.
>>721832728add lawxana troi and put them all on the bridge with siskodisable safety protocols
>>721823715The people that were never going to join Biden's Army are getting around to it now.
>>721832616I literally just watched Voyager for the first time last year. Sim didn't want to die either but Archer wanted Trip back.
>>721802784Your biological distinctiveness will be added to my own. I am the Grob.
>>721804960Everything will be me
>>721832570That was the point my dude, Data is only one who could out-maneuver his entire crew so bad they never actually managed to take back control and had to wait for Data to come back to normal.
>>721832858My mistake then, Enterprise may be as insane and retarded as Voyager but I don't remember any individual episodes anymore.
>>721832391No, what I'm saying is 100% consistent with their behavior. The only lesson they will have learned is that even very intelligent humans like Bashir are vulnerable to desperate emotional appeal, even in situations where it is greatly anti-utilitarian. Odo the exile convincing a star fleet officer to betray his people to save the great link is a a masterclass in subversion. These things are not cardassians, what they think and believe is not an artifact of cultural inertia that they can grow out of. Each changling is a millenia old fragment of an eons old super organism, and their attitudes and decision making are the culmination of millions of years of consideration and introspection. This is who they are, fundamentally.
>>721832567You would be ok if the government murdered you as long as they left a clone behind? Your shitposting or too autistic to actually understand what you are saying.
>>721831504>>721832210Without the virus the war would've been won anyway because of the Prophets blocking off Gamma Quadrant reinforcements. The rest of the war was won militarily through bringing the Romulans in, stealing the Breen ship so they could develop countermeasures to the energy drain, supporting the Cardassian rebellion, and then grinding down the Alpha Quadrant Dominion. The virus added an unnecessary problem because even if the Founders were all genocided that would've just left the Vorta and Jem'Hadar to go on a crusade against the infidels who killed their gods.You need to remember that the vast majority of the Dominion works without the Founders' direct involvement. The Vorta are the ones in charge with the Jem'Hadar as their enforcers. The genetically engineered loyalty to the Founders is the only thing keeping the Vorta from overthrowing them in the first place, and that loyalty would lead to the Dominion going scorched Earth in a century once they reach the Alpha Quadrant the long way.
>>721832767he kinda was that role in TNG yeahgets turned into a weird chameleon alien, romulans kidnap him and make him a sleeper agent, and there's the one where he gets trapped on that shithole planet
>>721832710
another /v/ trek thread at bump limit
>>721833038in that case existence would be exceedingly relative to subjective perspective
>>721804664>You're harming the environment tremendously with your existenceNope. I am not indian or chinese.
All good things must come to an end, but remember anon; It's what you leave behind.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87rq4msPQ2s
the only crew i would let janeway captain would be the one onboard mining ship red dwarf, though she would probably treat it like the lexx and manage to blow some planet up
>>721833013Me, me, me, me, me.
>>721833205
Remember when Janeway left all those captured people behind to be skinned and harvested for the Vidiians? After she made the threat during their first encounter where she would use hostile force if they messed with her crew again? But they went ahead and captured her crew again and skinned that one ensign and she was like "lol let's leave."
>>721802521>Two of MY crewmen vs a genetic abomination that should never have existedThe choice should be obvious, I would genocide entire planets to save even 1 of my crew(the prime directive can go fuck itself).
>>721833584Remember the clown
[Invite the ugly, hairy, scatty swindler on board your ship][Fire a torpedo at "Nelix" the "Talaxian" scavenger]Does this choice exist?
>>721833678
>>721833678jewjutsu is crazy
>>721833664>that brief moment where the clown shits itself because the Doctor grabs his wrist and he can't sense any fear from himThat was a weird one, but it had some moments.
To the finest thread, in all of Starfleet!!
>>721833678Why use one fist when you can use two?
>>721825514>Kirk still has Boneshow is this even fair
>>721833678The Movies had the best Starfleet uniforms.
>>721833584Remember when Janeway blew up the caretaker station and flew in the opposite direction instead of using the aft torpedo launchers to destroy it as they were going through the portal?
reminder that the borg have been downplayed as competent villains so much that they got assimilated by the cybermen
>>721831198>They found a cure
Remember when voyager entered fluidic space, a realm of liquid that has infinite pressure but its hull was fine?
even this will probably be better trek than any trek to come out in the last 20 years
Remember when Tim Apple from the 1990s hacked into Voyager's computer by casually on his iphone using the computer from a timeship?
>>721834287>pulls Rick Moranis out of retirementI'll admit I'm tempted to see it just for that.
>temporal police>arrest you and charge you for crimes you haven't even thought of yet
>>721834059The Cybermen can get pretty busted, by the 11th Doctor's run you had Cybermen who could upgrade and become invincible near instantly, could assimilate Time Lords and had to have an entire galaxy annihilated just to kill most (not all) of themDoctor Who power levels are beyond absurd, there's no point bringing them into things
>>721834608>be temporal police>it is yet another "kirk did something again" day at workthe highest number of temporal violations attributed to one man
>>721834608>sisko breaking the rules just to tell kirk how cool he thinks he is.
>Judge anon makes another ruling! But where's his evidence?
>>721835159He was too based to be left alone even back then.
>>721835465I can't believe Sisko denied him access to Damars funeral...
>>721834840>>721834841>janeway breaking the temporal accord to give her younger self weapons of mass destruction way beyond their current level of technology with the intent that she uses them
>>721833467Stanley Tweedle gets put on trial for war crimes. But not little Janeway. NO, NOT PRECIOUS LITTLE JANEWAY! SHE WAS A GOOD GIRL, DINDUNUFFIN!
