The peak of the franchise
Yes!Yes!YES!
>>721848936I really tried to like these games but they just feel boring and slow.Emerald and Firered are the only Pokemon games I can actually replay.
>>721848936>>>/vp/
It drove me crazy way back when that the sprites for kyurem black and kyurem white looked nothing like how they appeared anywhere else. What was gray was brown and the blue ice was fucking green. I don't know how that happened.
lol.no
>>721848936>B&W2I second this. Extremely.
>>721848936Gen 5 is overrated. HGSS is the real Pokekino.
>>721848936Emerald and red are peak. With romhacks they are even better. Gen 5 is hot garbage.
>>721848936Agree. Gen 6 is the beginning of the decline. Pokemon died here
>>721848936HGSS were better but i would give anything to go back to this quality since gen 6
>>721852979>Does absolutely nothing to fix JohtoI love Johto despite its flaws but no, absolutely not.
With this it's gonna become even better
>>721852979Gen 5 properly rated; half loves it, other half despite the other half. It was a divisive generation and so its mainline games; BW2 was made for the crowd that didn't like the first game so BW babies despise it coping using muh nostalgia as an argument when in reality the game brought everything people liked about pokemon and managed to put it in one game that was... pretty much a farewell love letter to the IP.That said; D/P/PL, Emerald, HG/SS and B&W2 are the peak of pokemon
>>721853085GEN 6/7 was peak when it comes to ONLINE and actually good breeding mechanics, but yes
>>721853370It was "divisive" in that genwunners couldn't catch Pikachu and that's their only reason for hating it.
>>721853545it was divisive as most of the new pokemon were ass ugly and all the ones worth using outside of excadrill had insanely high evolution levelsb/w was a chore to play though, no amount of historical revision by youtubers will change that
>>721853545Yeah, like I said; BWbabies coping using muh nostagia as argument
>>721853085 Hard agree. Gen 6 was like watching a beautiful corpse dance-sure, it looked pretty in 3D, but the soul was gone. XP Share got turned into a global cheat code, difficulty nosedived, and rivals became your cheerleading squad. It was all downhill after that-went from exploring Johto for hours to being dragged through Kalos by the hand like a toddler.
>>721853545Stupid posts like this are why Unovatards are bullied as hard as they are.
>>721854000>XP Share got turned into a global cheat codeturn it off then retard
>>721854000>it looked pretty in 3D, but the soul was goneYou had GC games and BR on Wii for pretty 3D pokemon.
>>721853545>example to the point
>>721853545fax
>>721853450you're mom has good breeding mechanics 8^)
>>721855047I bet his mom drops offspring with low IVs
Stop saying sagie
>Pokemon in 2025
>>721848936USUM is the real peak of this franchise and if you disagree you're a whiny nostalgia ridden faggot who got filtered by muh cutscenes
>>721858689>USUM is the real peak of this franchise>The less open to explore>One of the most opressive when it comes to storyI doubt it.>>721856317NO.
>>721848936No
>>721853327Isn't this a never ever tho?
I'm scared of what they may or may not be making for the Gen V remake. We know its in the works, it's innevitable, the question is how badly are they going to fuck it up.
>>721859832>low tier 3d>half of the game>release the sequel content as DLC>Game isn't even black/white complete lol>remake under nu-remake logic = changing shit from the original game for some retarded reason>New changes are completely meh or flat out bad>game runs like shit now>internet features are isolated and die off within weeksI can see it already
>>721853327>Brand new engineWTF for?
>>721860031>Pokemon World Tournament is a DLC or they sell invidividual tournaments as DLC>They shoehorn in a subplot about Blueberry Academy>Pokestar Studios is now an online only mode>Dream world expansion DLC
>>721859270>waaaah waaaah the game actually took time to tell a good storykeep crying retard
>>721860898>good story>this is what Unovabortions actually think.>>721860620When can go deeper>Pokemon World Tournament is a DLC or they sell invidividual tournaments as DLC>It's only accessed through seasonal events>Type specific tourneys are rotational due console's inner clock>Only post game content is a rehash of Battle Frontier>HG/SS's Battle Frontier>that is Platinum's BF but rehashed>but a watered down version of it>Meanwhile in the mainline base game...>The PWT project has just begun!
>>721853245>I love Johto despite its flaws but no, absolutely notDumbass. You have the pokewalker, safari zone, and egg codes to get pokemon before Kanto
>>721853545>lots of meh Pokemon designs>some really questionable balance like the elemental monkeys>retarded storyPokemon games generally aren’t that different from each other but Gen V story and setting really rub me the wrong way
>>721861847You can also outright catch a steelix
>>721848936BW2 World Tournament + Emeral Battle Frontier = Orgasm.
>>721848936so true redditsister! have an upvote!
>>721859832>I'm scared of what they may or may not be making for the Gen V remakebattle frontier cutcontests cutsecret bases cutpokeradar cutberry farming cut
>>721861693>UnovabortionsI wasn't even talking about Unova you fucking idiot
>>721866076kek
>>721866259>I wasn't even talking about Unova>>721860898>the game actually took time
>>721866379nigga what in the world are you on about? I was talking about USUM
>>721853545>Design a new gen>It's full of trash designs with barely any that are good>Complete replace all the old gens until post game>Surprised people hate it
>>721848936>*Peak shit of the franchiseFtfy
>>721848936>lowest sales by far>peak
>>721861847You're not wrong, but it still sucks they didn't incorporate Crystals changes like Tediursa in the Union Cave or Sneasal in Ice Paths.
>>721866585>I was talking about USUM>in the middle of a conversation and thread about gen 5
>>721848936it was nice finally having a variety of every generation available. it was the only time i'd switch up and box one of my guys to play with something else
>>721865296>>721861847Its amazing how people who whine about HGSS go out there way not to engage with the systems in place to get you your precious murkrow or other rare pokemon early >>721866956Agreed thats a shame. I wish they just made polished crystal or whatever instead of HGSS but gamefreak is greedy
>>721853327>adding shit from Gens 6-9ruined
>>721866836>the majority of the population has good tastesaid no one ever about any subject
>>721867113almost like if you took 5 seconds to look at the fucking message I was replying to which was calling USUM the peak of the franchise instead of immediately seething over gen 5 like a fag then we wouldn't be in this situation you dumbshit ESL
>>721867489How do younglings think is their generational lingo? Let'm cook? I think it applies here
>>721867560>doubling down in saving face>not a single mention of 7 gen games as main game until a blatant shitpost to ragebaitStay seething and wrong; bw1 and gen 7 were low points
>>721867489This. If you're making a gen 3 romhack just include all the gen 3 pokemon. If you're making a gen 4 rom hack then only include everything up to gen 4.
>>721853545how am i supposed to play this pokemon game without my charizard from kanto
HGSS is the second most overrated game in the series, and its all down to the fucked level curve. Yes the national dex/its distribution sucks but there's a nuanced legacy reason for that which I can accept (not really though since a remake should've addressed it rather than retain it), but the real reason is the level curve. I know pokemon is easy, but being like 5 to ten levels above everything else come the second half of the game is ridiculous. And don't even get me started on how nothing team rocket is in gen 2.
>>721867868You dont and gamefreak loses money. After which they make sure to never take away gen1 from you ever again.
>>721853545yes we know that this was the first pokemon game you played and that you watched some shit zoomer youtuber talk about how mature the story was, but it was fucking dogshit and disliked for good reason>XP change that makes leveling so timeconsuming and painful that they overcorrected hard in X/Y with o-powers and xp share>focused way too hard on the edgy story, not the appeal of the games>the actual appeal, the pokemon, were the new worst designs to that point, and since>the 2.5d sprites look horrendous>the map is just a line>seasons are the worst gimmick addedbut yeah just no pikachu, fuck off zoomer
>>721868363>I know pokemon is easy, but being like 5 to ten levels above everything else come the second half of the game is ridiculousDogshit taste. Game would be a slog. Kanto being a boss rush is great.
>>721853545>genwunners couldn't catch PikachuYou got the meme wrong. It's charizard.
>>721867868Imagine crying about muh genwunners when the only version of Gen 5 people play is the one that lets you steer clear of Gen 5 designs.
>>721868675>I didnt like it, so its badBRAVO.
>>721868680Oh no no no my friend, I mean halfway through Johto. Kanto being empty calories doesn't even phase me, it's so pointless I legitimately forgot about it
I agreeI still prefer gen 4 due to my most played games growing up being Platinum and Soul Silver, but I can't deny that Black and White 2 are the peak of the series since they fixed all the issues I had with Black and White
>>721868363>I know pokemon is easy, but being like 5 to ten levels above everything else come the second half of the game is ridiculous. And don't even get me started on how nothing team rocket is in gen 2.Rematches exist. Switch out some pokemon like normal people instead of using the same ones. If you use the same team then of course you're going to be overleveled. This applies to all pokemon games btw. Emerald was the worst since it gave you a lvl 70 rayquaza before the elite 4.
>>721868842>I can't read, so I'll shitpost and cryKill yourself retard. Tell your mom to lay off the tylenol btw, its bad for her liver
>>721868929>If you artificially gimp yourself it gets harder
>>721868887>Oh no no no my friend, I mean halfway through JohtoUse different pokemon. Play around. You can blast everything with your starter if you want but you dont have to do that.
>>721868947Sure lil bro, casually ignore the fact that BW sold almost the same as RS, BIG DICK NUMBERS, and no one is whining about RS, but sure BW were absolutely hated and "divisive".
It really was the last true Pokémon game and the culmination of the entire IP
>>721869027Hm, odd, I don't have to completely cripple myself to not be massively overleveled in the other games... (pre-XY I don't care what happens in the 3d games)
>>721868363They kind of did though. In GSC Blue is the only Kanto leader with Pokemon higher level than Lance, the rest of the Gym Leaders are comparable to the E4 members. Then there's a 20 level jump to Red (to be fair, he is beatable in the 60s). In HGSS the Gym Leaders are all 50+ and you get Gym Leader and E4/Lance rematches to help smooth the journey to Red (who has been buffed). The trainers in Kanto are higher level to, from memory. Of course HGSS is just a slower game than GSC, so any grinding you do do feels slower.
>>721848936Gen4 was better
>>721869019>artificially gimpNah it's normal to catch pokemon and switch them out. It's called having fun. For example It's fun playing with Larvitar early because its a shitter and then beikg rewarded once it evolves and you smack away your opponents
>>721848936Excuse me anon, but you have the wrong picture. Luckily I attached the correct one.
>>721869019>He plays on switch mode
>>721869176It's called purposefully gimping yourself to feel like you're being challenged again.
>>721869132>I don't have to completely cripple myself to not be massively overleveled in the other gamesYou're always ahead if you use the same pokemon in all pokemon games. Gym leaders will only have one pokemon that will be the same level or higher if you play like this. None of the things your whining about is exclusive to HGSS.
>>721869176No, it's not, because I don't do that in every other game and the level curve is fine. It's only in gen 2 where it falls apart and I shouldn't have to do the dev's job for them
>>721869031>lil broYou need to be 18 to post on 4chan.
I enjoyed BW way more than BW2.Essentially everything was better paced and thought out except post game, a lot of which is pretty pointless with dead online.
>>721869259right, it's only 10 times worse in HGSS
>>721869307>No counter argumentConcesion accepted, _________lil bro_________
>>721848936Pokemon games were always shit, wake up nigga.
They should just remaster HGSS to the switch and integrate the pokewalker shit into the game itself. Most of the whining from emulator fags would stop
>>721869510nope.
>>721869031>"divisive"who are you quoting schizo? It's not divisive, everyone who had fully functioning cognitive systems when the game released understood it was bad>salesfagginglol. why don't you look up how many DS vs GBA were sold>lil browe already knew you were a zoomer faggot from liking this trash, you don't need to tell me again
>>721869257>It's called purposefully gimping yourself to feel like you're being challenged againAre you seriously going to pretend other pokemon games were ever challenging?
Why were so many Gen 5 Pokemon weird stand-ins for existing Pokemon? It often felt like it was supposed to be an alternate universe or something.
>>721869031>no one is whining about RSThat's because Gen 3 fags know their place, beneath Gen 2 and 4 chads (but still above everything else, you Gen 3 fags are alright). It's the unovabortions that get uppity all the time, hence they deserved criticism and disgust.
>>721869608Because BW didn't include any prior gen pokemon until after you beat the main game. But it turns out you still need your early bird, your shitty normal hm slaves and so on. So you just get a bunch of clones.
>>721869608Gen 5 was supposed to be a soft reboot, didnt work, GF over corrected and the effects only started to dissipate with Gen 9.
>>721854000You might be terminally retarded if you thought any Pokemon game prior to gen 6 was difficult.
>>721869279>>721869350Use the rematch feature. Explore the optional areas to fight trainers. Play the fucking game.
>>721869748All pokemon after gen 4 have been awful or mediocre inclusions
>>721869571Not when your past the intended age demographic for the games, no.
>>721853327yeah dude it'll be out soon(tm)
>>721848936Pet all Bird-Type pokemon without exception>>721853545Nice bait
Lmao at some people expecting to fight level 40 Pidgeots outside of Pallet Town when that makes no sense
>>721848936HGSS>Platinum>BW1>Emerald>BW2>the rest in no particular order
>>721869830>after gen 4Gen 6 is better than 4.
>>721869767just make the fucking game work properly, why are you defending this shit. If it had a proper level curve would you be claiming that its current fucked level would actually be an improvement or are you only defending it because that's what we got?
Goddamn dude all of the Pokemon games suck major ass, all bad, none good, every generation fucking sucks for their own unique and special reasons.Only saving grace of this franchise are the spin offs.
>>721870149lol
>>721869830>after gen 4Sinnoh is cancer incarnate.
>>721870227Its soundtrack carries it desu
>>721870156Not him, but you are over exaggerating the problem. Does it exist? Yes. Is it an issue, fuck no.
>>721870414Having the best Champion and Gym leader battle themes is not nearly enough when all the other songs are aggressively bland.
How do you feel about improvement hacks?
>>721870723What? No, I'm referring to the route and town themes.
>>721870693It absolutely is an issue and effects one's enjoyment of the game. Play the it again
Babies just want overleveled pokemon. HGSS actually teaches you the game while still being easy. You can BTFO lance and red with underleveled pokemon by using X items. The only difficult part is setting it up. If you want to grind it's also easy as you can rematch the trainers you fight on the same day as many times as you want. You just have to exit the area and call them again.
>>721870808as long as it plays that fast its okay
>>721870808>throwing in ugly as fuck nugen pokemon into HGSS>>>>>>>>>>>improvement
>>721870914Unc the complaints are about HAVING overlevelled pokemon, not wanting them. Try to keep up
>>721870841And those are precisely the songs that I consider bland, only reason I am able to remember them is because everyone spams them everywhere, so I will put aside my hatred towards Sinnoh for a second and say that its a personal preference of mine.Everything else sucks though.
this thread has reminded me why I never come to /v/ for Pokemon opinions
>>721871056>Unc the complaints are about HAVING overlevelled pokemon, not wanting them. Try to keep upYou will only have overleveled pokemon if you use a few pokemon. If you use a full team you will not be overleveled.
Best pokemon game : the first oneSecond best : the second oneThird best : the third one
>>721871128You should never come to /v/ for any opinion on any game at all.You should never come to /v/ period.
>>721853370>BW2 was made for the crowd that didn't like the first game so BW babies despise it coping using muh nostalgia as an argument when in reality the game brought everything people liked about pokemonWeird revisionism.I've never met a single Gen 5ver who said such a thing. In fact, I've never met anyone who liked BW and not BW2.
I prefer to be able to do the gyms after morty in any order other muh level curve
>>721871158factually wrong, johto's level scaling is a common complaint and something I myself experienced the few times I've done a playthrough, during which I always use a full team from early on ,which I also do for the other games I've replayed (emerald, platinum and BW2) and those don't have the same problem to the egregious degree HGSS does
>>721870890I have. The kanto levels are fine and smoothed over significantly since Gen 2. The level curve 'problem' in Gen 4 is the jump from Clair to Lance, and that's only a problem if you are a little baby needs to your entire team at 48-50 to deal with Lance.
No charizard no buy simple as
>>721866076Left < Right
>>721870935The new engine plays at 60fps and feels fast, no need for turbo anymore
>>721871360>factually wrong, johto's level scaling is a common complaintAfter some retarded youtube video>those don't have the same problem to the egregious degree HGSS doesNice copout. You just admited the "problem" is in all games
>>721870808You're lucky your clip shows Joltik, one of the Gen 5 mons that isn't complete dogshit. By and large the less post Gen 3 Pokemon in HGSS the better. Also megas are trash too.
>>7218707234 has some of the best route themes and thats on top of all the unique battle themes being amazing too
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