Is there any community more felted than the deltarune community?
Deltarune community is just the 2020s version of bronies
>>721865572God Toby is so cringe does he even have a girlfriend?
>>721865953IIRC, he dated one of Hussie's exes and after they broke up she decided she was a lesbian.
I'm pissed the silksong FOTM is dissipating and the deltatroons are filling that void. I wish each of them would jump off a bridge holding and undertale yellow faggot poster
>>721867158Based Toby dealing with the trauma of being so shit he turned a girl gay so now he makes all the women in his games lezbeens
>>721867326That's not really what I'd call based
>>721867168I'm still seeing way more Silksong threads than Deltarune threads
>>721867541Based on IMAGINATION and EMOTION
>>721865893I love Undertale/Deltarune but this is sadly true
>>721865893We still haven't gotten anything nearly half as kino as the brony documentary out of Deltarune or Undertale
If Toby is really so yuri-brained he's gonna try and force Noelle/Susie down my fucking throat I'm legitimately gonna drop the game. Not because I hate yuri but because it's dogshit bad writing. And then I'll know Toby's dark truth, that Alphys and Undyne in Undertale was awful, hackneyed and forced not because that was the point, but because that's what Toby is looking for in yuri.
>>721869304>he
>>721865572>felted???
>>721869539I just can't keep up with modern slang anymore. I still have no idea what aura means and what does it have to do with farming.
>>721869434Toby sees posts like this and it probably further motivates his yuri intentions
>>721869539>>721869619Suffah normies, suffah
>>721869434>brings back the dead and pre-emptively tells their families it works>it doesnt work>doesn't respond to her concerns, instead mass-posts retarded bullshit on underground twitter all day while pretending like she has an underlying issue>one day someone just says "tell the truth" and she does>fucked up screaming zombie hivemind mutants are roaming around and for some reason their families are just cool with it>also she hooks up with the popular jock chick cuz why not>now he's writing a relationship between a girl who obsessively preys on the bigger girl like a god damn freak and has a bunch of weird fucked up fantasies (of course this is going to turn out well)Toby needs to stop writing character arcs and dynamics and exclusively stick to fun gameplay with hype moments instead.
I just think that they/them is a bad pronoun for a single person, it doesn't have any real singular and is twice the length of real pronouns. I don't care what anyone says it's incredibly clunky hearing or speaking it. It should be something like Kris openly says s/he has a headmate and everyone's just being progressive and humoring him by calling him/her "them".
>>721869883Kris is a girl who uses "they" to hide the fact she's the girl from the prophecy.
>>721869434Alphys/Undyne was much better written than Suselle so far. Sure, it felt shoehorned, but at least neither of them acted like awful people while at it. Meanwhile Noelle acts like a creep, treats her friends like disposable trash and Susie like an object, never for a second stopping to think about anyone's feelings even though she made a big fuss over Queen doing the same to her. Unless it is written to fail, it means Toby had somehow regressed over the years, which is weird as fuck because his writing definitely improved everywhere else.
>>721865893Didn't the creators embrace bronies? Toby couldn't even hide his contempt for the "Togore" forced meme in the anniversary stream
>>721869883along with the gender ambiguity (regardless of whether it makes sense at all in kris' case or not because it kinda doesn't) it's also a pointer towards kris having a large number of identity issues
>>721869539>>721869619THEY'RE STUPID!THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO LOOK UP WORDS!Woooooah buddy
>>721870015>Toby couldn't even hide his contempt for the "Togore" forced memeTo be fair, it was one of the worst memes to come out of fandom, and redditors were really obnoxious with it.
>>721869619aura is coolness and aura farming is farming coolness by doing unnecessary cool things like a backflip or something
>>721869701>>721870140Let's go felted, etc.
>>721869928I just hope that's not the actual reason, it feels contrived. Like why hide about the prophecy from townspeople who dgaf? I just don't see the point.>>721870028Kris definitely does have identity issues, many of which seemingly caused by "me" which I appreciate; But why not just always use "Kris", "human" or some other term in dialogue like in UT? Every time I read they it's like I hit a speed bump as I mentally parse how clunky it is. I'd rather it be xe desu.
Hussification is well under way and there's no stopping it. By the time chapter 7 is out we're all gonna hate toby and every undertale/deltarune thread will consist of nothing but complaining about how badly it was ruined. A decade afterwards there will be an animated undertale pilot where every character says "fuck" or "shit" at least one time in every sentence.
>>721869619>>721869701>>721870140The poker slang makes no sense in this context either.
>>721870313Its kino
>>721870308As of Chapter 4, what are ways this game could completely shit the bed and lose the goodwill of the people who spent over a decade following this.
>>721870308So, Chara's fat tits and Kris having dog dick will be canon?
>>721870453Going full-in on teen romance drama.
>>721870453I don't care about the shipping. But what would piss me off is if this game really does just turn out to be a lecture session about how the player is evil
>>721865572BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHILD P***RN?!
>>721869701Fuck you, John F Kennedy
>>721870453The first sign of Homestuck's deterioration was the arrival of a large gaggle of new color-coded characters who completely dominated the narrative and attracted the wrong fanbase. Which happened in Act 5.
>>721870570>if this game really does just turn out to be a lecture session about how the player is evil... isnt that the point of neutral/genocide run and deltarune as a whole...? getting mad now feels like you just dont pay attention
>>721870508learning that canonizing jade having a dog cock was probably done purely to spite breedingduties, a 3D CG porn artist who revolved around pregnancy and jade stuff for a while, was funny as fuck
>>721870453Deltarune already shit the bed.>Chapter 3 in its entirety is reheated leftovers of the shit people liked in Chapter 2, done worse and more played-out ('MEMBER SPAMTON?)>Chapter 4 ends with a plot twist we don't even see which is so goddamn lazy it would instantly be memed and shit on if it happened in a mainstream movie (a la "Somehow Palpatine returned") but because it's smol indie game pls no bully everyone pretend it's goldIf the fandom is still committed to this shit with no brakes after that then Fox can rest easy, he's cultivated a legion of slop-munchers with no standards whatsoever.
>>721865893Bronies got kicked out of official cons btw
>>721870768Yeah and it was stupid there too
>>721870768Undertale's main point is that the player isn't evil, rather they're just out to explore and exhaust literally every single option until they've sucked the fun out of it, get bored and then move on. It's the entire gist of Flowey and Chara's monologue.
>>721870584I've been watching the casino for years. I remember when Andy would spam that sound board like crazy and playing that soundbite when it didn't even apply
>>721870768The difference is Undertale would shame you after making a choice. Deltarune shames you for playing it
>>721869619>modern slangit's just OP https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/felted/type/op/
>>721871257>Only OP postshe's DISINGENUOUS!https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/felted/
>>721870915I was so fucking pissed when the final prophecy wasn't even revealed. If we knew what had to happen for the final outcome and if we had any chance to avert or improve it there'd actually be god damn narrative stakes in this plot instead of more theory-baiting and guessing for the next extended period of time.It's exhausting. I fucking hate this game.
>>721871189I mean yeah, you're not supposed to play the game else you want to be that.
>>721870768>>721871189where does deltarune shame you for simply playing the game
Put something else on the funnyYou can do itI believe in you.
>>721865572.
>>721871776twitter poster with a kiwi farms account (zero notable posts on either platform)
I want Kris to kiss Asriel
>>721870453Hussification can be diagnosed if a patient displays the following symptoms:Obsession with "subverting expectations" at all costsStraight characters turning gayCharacters randomly trooning out despite never displaying signs of gender dysphoria at any point in the storySudden pivot towards teen dramaMishandling millions of dollarsCharacters and plot points being dropped and never heard from againLarge chunks of the story being made completely pointless by retconsCertain characters losing all charm or humorDon't become a victim of hussification. If you experience any of these symptoms, please kill yourself to spare your work from becoming an embarrassing failure that puts you into debt.
>>721871776>brings up a random video game out of nowhereNot seeing the connection doc
>>721871427Bro, the only "story" this game has is fan theories. We're over halfway in and we still have no idea who wants to destroy the world or why.
>>721871980A good half of this has happened to Deltarune
>>721870453Full on unironic Suselle, that for me will be the point of no return.That ship has to die in order for it to be any good writing.
>>721871776>if you read this you're gaySo he's gay now?
>>721872201The only one of those that happened is subverting expectations, which was the case since the end of episode 1.
>>721871368The rest are just other people complaining about OP's bullshit.
>>721872403hit the bell
>>721872192I wonder how people will see the story of this games once everythings over and theres no more point to theorizing.
>>721872475Probably the same thing that happened to evangelion. The only people still talking about it being pretentious youtube essayist fags
>>721872530Eva still gets regular /a/ threads. They focus on the characters, since nobody cares about the convoluted plot.
>>721872192I'm sure if Toby did the most basic storytelling element of "bad guy who's motive is clear" then he'd lose all following. He has to drag this shit out as long as humanly possible until players realize they spent a good chunk of their lives on this bullshit.
>>721872475By that time one of DRY projects might get finished and we will all migrate to weekly UTY threads and /vrpg/ general
>>721872593Waifufagging doesn't really count
WOAAAAAAAAH BUDDY!
>>721872593This is already happening to Deltarune, the whole focus of discussion on the upper echelons of the web are the characters. Hell even HERE the discussion revolves around the characters, characters.
>>721870304i think >>721869928 meant that toby is using they to hide it from the player for a good twist not that kris is using they to hide it from others
>>721872727pretty funnily it happens with characters that aren't in the game either here you know, like that yagi guy.
>>721872794At the very least it's clear the characters know Kris is a girl (see Berdly hitting on her). She's not hiding anything from the monsters, just the soul/player.
>>721872971I don't know, I could see Berdly going either way.
>>721873036berdly strikes me as the pre-post-irony /v/ who would lust after traps, scream they aren't gay, but also post in 4 AM threads about wanting to be the little girl
>>721870015>Didn't the creators embrace bronies?You mean Lauren Faust? Yeah, she even visited /mlp/ back in 2013, but she left early on so most of the show was made by other people who never really knew what they were doing, or didn't care at all and just did whatever Hasbro wanted them to do. Nonetheless, I don't think there's much of a parallel, Tricky Toby grew up on the internet alongside similarly rabid fanbases, so he knows how to navigate that stuff (in theory)
LETS GO FELTED>* clap clap clap clap clap*LETS GO FELTED>* clap clap clap clap clap*
>>721873083Hes just like me, fr fr...
>>721872794Yeah I got that part from the other anon's post, it seems contrived though. If you wanted to hide your sex you wouldn't pick a gender that is open to both sexes, you'd pick the opposite sex and look most of the part and the player wouldn't be able to call BS because Kris is 16 pixels tall and guyish enough.
>>721871427>I fucking hate this game.I genuinely don't know why people continue to be invested in it. He's entering WEG levels of "thanks friends here is the yearly update with 15 minutes of new content, keep looking to the stars!!!". I know, I know, imagination, but surely there's a point where people realize there are other video games out there you can obsess over that aren't constantly slapping your nuts
Can any alphies tell me what felted means?
>>721873394I think your problem is you're assuming people can only care about one game at a time.Which you know, fair these days, given how hard publishers/developers try to demand the full worship of people who "play" their games.
>>721865893Having an established subculture replete with great fanworks and surprisingly good people? God, I wish.
>>721873465it's from a lolcow podcast. i think it means btfo
>>721873465In poker slang it means going broke. As in you have no chips left, just the felt of the poker table.
>>721873543We maybe have access to one potentially surprisingly good person. If anyone would go get him.
>>721873465It means your chips are taken and all you are left with is the felt upon the poker table. Essentially what op is saying is that Deltarune has lost the money. Or lost the plot as it were
>>721873465The thing you say before saying WOAAAAAAAAH BUDDY!
>>721873465This nigga never played poker
>>721870015Toby was only mad about Togore because Fangamer roped him into this name bid war nonsense when he just wanted to deliver more emotional gutpunches with new Asriel dialogue and clarifications about Chara and what she means to Asriel.
>>721871980>Sudden pivot towards teen dramaThis is not quite fitting here. Anybody who got invested in Deltarune under the assumption of some gaster-kolbaster deepest lore was the fool all along. The whole thing is literally a high school AU recycling themes and characters from Undertale. If you are not into silly jokes and shonen nonsense and teen adventures, then brace yourself for disappointment.
>>721873379The primary reason for the given pronoun is metanarrative (same as Undertale). If you want in-story justification for why Kris uses "they" instead of "he", it could be that monsters may be progressive, but not enough so to actively support gender transition. They use "they" a lot, but nothing more extreme than that.
>>721874079chara deserves to be forgotten, worst part of undertale honestly
>>721874181>Lower your expectations, chud
>>721873465BTFO, popularized by Kino Casino. Genuinely great troll/lolcow podcast. One of very few worthy of taking Metokur's crown once he finally dies of cancer-aids.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd9qyXcJWBs&
>>721874181There's a difference between a story about kids on an adventure and a story revolving around romance. It'd be like if chapter 5 was mostly about a love triangle between susie/noelle/kris rather than an adventure in the flower shop dark world.
Toby Fox is being stoic here, therefore he's in hell
>>721874424> It'd be like if chapter 5 was mostly about a love triangle between susie/noelle/krisConsidering all the set up, there's a good chance the Ferris wheel chapter will be exactly that.
>looking at the steam friends threadHE'S GAYHE'S A TRANNYHE LIKES TRANIME
>>721874079toby all but telling the torgorefags to get fucked at the end was one of the best parts of the streamwhat's almost funnier is that they're so irony poisoned they legitimately got upset that toby put his foot down and denied them their shitty meme finale that would've only been looked back on with ridicule or 'we did it reddit!!1!'
>>721874715I can see elements of it, but if written well it will be a secondary plot with the player being able to affect the outcome, especially if the "romance" breaks down which it should.>>721874889Who?
>>721875023>Who?All of them
>>721874964>Irony poisoned What does this even mean
>>721875076It means they didn't care about Toby's intent for the scene to be sincere, they wholly wanted to bog down the Asriel fight with "LOL HE'S POURING HIS HEART OUT TO TOGORE, HIS SECRET BROTHER!!! HOW TOGORE-TASTIC!!!!" and then they'd forget all about the sequence in a few weeks when the next big Undertale/Deltarune brainrot meme comes out, rendering Undertale's 10th anniversary celebration an outdated relic carrying a dead meme.
>>721875076it means that someone cannot be genuine in any capacity and must be sarcastic or ironic at all times, undercutting any serious moment with a shitty joke or quip
>>721874289What were your expectations? Why do you think they were appropriate? Can you come up with a tangible 3rd act and conclusion that fulfill those expectations? Or were you swindled by JJ Abrams' mysterybox storytelling?Deltarune is not a story with obvious "setup" but obscure "foreshadowing", exacerbated by the ultra slow episodic releases. That's not splitting hairs, I mean to say that Toby has deliberately left a lot of empty narrative space to give himself wiggle room later on, and that can be used to fuck everything up. But more importantly than just "turning everything bad", wiggle room means later episodes may heavily recontextualize everything before. Remember how chapter 2's computer room closet that "could fit a large person inside" was mentioned only alongside comatose Berdly? That speculation would not exist if 2 and 4 were released together. I think gasterfags will suffer the most for that, because they think a non-character defined by nonexistence will come up on the main stage with a song and dance about his means and motives.I am mostly for here for funny animal adventures, so I'll manage mostly fine, excluding shipping faggotry, but some theoryfags might just rope themselves if Sans Deltarune remains purely a joke character.
>>721875242I don't think the togore shit was funny but the asriel boss fight is very overrated
TOBY FOX IS GAY!!!HE IS A HOMOSEXUAL MAN!
>>721875320Honestly this game does that a lot
>>721875416it has a lot of comedic moments but generally with the actually serious moments the jokes stop, like the talk post spamton and the endings of ch3 and ch4
>>721875416No it doesn't. The jokes and memes only happen in comedic fights.
>>721873753I think he means that people who were betting on anything but Suselle were betting on a wrong horse.
>>721875416It doesn't help that this game still does tumblr humor 10 years after tumblr stopped being relevant
>>721874223Instead Noelle became part of Undertale AND was forgotten.
>>721875834It's tough
>>721875416>>721875565In fact, this game does the opposite. Like how water cooler running gag suddenly turned into something beautiful right when it was about to completely wear out its welcome.
>>721875541>>721875565>>721876049The comedy is on par with marvel writing
>>721875416Flowey is played completely seriously throughout the entire game with the sole exception of him getting thrown away by Toriel at the start, the only other scene that's somewhat humorous is the trollface he pulls after undoing all of your progress against him before instakilling you over and over and over.
>>721870659Oooooh shit.
>Mean, loud, aggressive bully character>...>Mean, loud, aggressive bully character BUT THEY'RE A GIRL>HOLY SHIT I BET SHE'S ACTUALLY SHY AND GIRLY BUT HIDES IT OR SOME SHITI wanna make a game where there's a big strong girl and she just beats the shit out of the main character and ruins their life and there's no twist.
>>721876420
>>721876420You sound homosexual
Have any of you beaten Sans yet? https://ut10-battle.undertale.com/
>>721865893People say this about every fucking fandom and it's retarded
>>721876420>people expect the male characters to act in masculine ways and female characters to act in feminine waysNO SHIT
>>721876420Weak feminine guy dominating strong masculine girl is a top-tier character dynamic and that's why I love Ralsusie.
>>721876586t. deltatroon
>>721876883You also sound homosexual
>>721876883the world is not ready yet
>>721869619aura is like power level but the kids are grinding to increase it instead of hiding it
>>721874598We eat at Denny's... And we're sad...
I don't like how depressing and bleak deltarune has become in latest chapters even in the normal routeI really enjoyed the first two chapters and their whimsy adventure but now even when I'm ignoring the edgy route because I don't like experiencing or inflicting misery in games it's being forced on me
>>721870659
>>721879920You just have to believe in the dino.And if that fails, believe in the new future (You) were brought in to create.
>>721880685>he thinks the player is a character
>>721880924
>be bit of a yurifag>really don't care much for suselleAm I the only one? Just feels like at this point it's 1. entirely predictable and inevitable, 2. stretching one minor "plot point" over the whole game, and 3. taking time away from actual interesting things. It's like if Undertale was a decade of episodic blueballing and scenes of "will Undye fuck Alphys????"
>>721881079No refunds
>>721881079i think the only people who like suselle are the kinda people who see krusie/kriselle as "lesbian erasure" or whatever the fuck
>>721881197Seeing these shipfags argue with each other is like the spiderman pointing at spiderman meme. Every single person involved is gay and retarded
>>721881079The two have zero chemistry with each other. People only support the pairing for political reasons.
I want Kris to kiss Ralsei
>>721881619I want to kiss Ralsei
>>721881079believe in femkrisbelieve in yuri krusie
>>721876420If there's no option to gut her then you'd just be making a Sony game.
>>721881914An unbelievable number of people are saying this
>>721882472He deserves it
>>721881619Sorry, it's a Ralsusie country
>>721869619Aura isn't modern slang, it's a very old concept. You could also call it presence in a sense.
>>721883092He's a failed normalfag, he already knows what it means
>4chuds tryijng to pretend that Deltarune and Undertale aren't both "the heckin wholesome 100 reddit adventures of a heckin valid enby"The game wasn't made for you, CHUD
>>721876883Based Metal Family enjoyer
>>721884658It's basically the opposite of Toby Fox' writing because they introduced a lesbian feminist character who has a crush on big strong tomboy, while also making sure that she will never ever score with her. Can't even call its creators incels, because they are a married couple with a kid.
>>721875834I genuinely can't believe how Kriselle/Krusie is written gorillions times better than suselle, despite it being the "CANON" pairing.
>>721872164>out of nowhereThe Kirk shooter was fucking obsessed with UT/DR. So the Twitterfag is right in that the fanbase is filled with psychotic troons (although this should have been apparent after the cookie incident)
>>721885553The cookie incident?
Kris is a theythem because they got a male body and mind but a female soul (You)>inb4 "I'm not female"Wrong.
>>721886226he's TRANS!
>>721886205iirc some shipfag tried to kill an undertale artist by giving them a cookie at a convention with a small needle inside of it because they didn't like them shipping characters a certain way
>>721886354I don't think Undertale/Deltarune fans get made fun of enough nowadays. There was a reason they were so hated in 2015. They've gotten worse now that they're not catching as much shit.
>>721886610When that Wplace site went up a few weeks ago it reignited a lot of well deserved hatred from everyone upon seeing how much they were spamming the site.
>>721886610Just wait until the full game's out.
>>721886749That really did feel botted. Seeing Deltarune characters standing in identical positions regardless of wherever you zoom in makes it pretty obvious.
>>721865893with worse porn
>>721886880The sad part is that I'm sure a lot of it actually wasn't botted. Deltatroons are just terminally online so they have a lot of time to just sit on the site drawing shit for the next 20 hours.
>>721871776i thought farmers loved to circle the wagons around trannes they like doe?
>>721886880>why are there easy to copy sprites from an extremely popular game everywhereAre you listening to yourself
I really don't get how some think that Toby is this turbo ultra yuri tard sabotaging his story. Like, did you miss all the Kriselle everywhere? The Krusie scenes? The coming inferno of jealousy? Did we play the same Chapter 4?
>>721887106>>721887106I mean come on, I would zoom in on some place in the middle of nowhere in Kansas and there would be Deltarune characters and nothing else. Shit made no sense, felt so inorganic
>>721887106>extremely popular game
>>721887186problem? it's a very popular game.
>>721887160toby's comment in the OP pic (for context, he's talking about the similarities between UT undyne and susie) convinced people that all the krusie/kriselle stuff is basically just coincidental and that he's just really fucking bad at writing yuri
>>721887213Maybe amongst furries
>>721887213I'm sure it is, Anon
>>721871189>Stop playing the game>World was covered in darkness???
>>721887286who cares about that
>>721871776>Literally want to end all human civilization by summoning their dark god to wipe out all of humanity by causing a genocide in the middle east. >Talk about others being domestic terroristsLol.
>>721887251>>721887262lol
>>721887321this is what too much deltatroon does to your brain
>>721887248I've said this once and will say it again, you niggas need to stop doomposting and acting like everything is going to crash and burn. if Chapter 5 ends up being a 2 hour long Suselle shipping montage then yes you'll have a right to be angry, but until then stop mindlessly doomposting.
>>721887395You say this like everyone wants shipping slop
>>721865572Deltarune is the most cringe, overrated piece of media, in every cultural way possible. Music? Complete joke, artwork? Most generic shit ever, muh-pseudointellectual circlejerking about how the games are supposed to be played, cringe.>But muh indie developer...Don't give a shit.
>>721887448Notice how the secondary didn't say anything about the gameplay
>>721887528Nta Deltarune gameplay is absolutely nothing to write home about
>>721887248>convinced people that all the krusie/kriselle stuff is basically just coincidental It would be funny as shit to find out all of it was just some wild case of confirmation bias, but I really doubt it. Too many coincidences and connections. Too many important story points and themes. All of it from the very beginning too. I don't think we'll see like ship confirmations or whatever, but people who think it's Suselle all the way down are crazy.
>>721887552It's just a joke that's obviously bait
>>721887554You have to keep in mind this game is coming from the guy who made the player be a wingman cuck to the worst dykeshit couple in history in order to get a pacifist ending in Undertale
>>721887528Menu game, not really any gameplay to be had. Pseud, anyone could hack together a game like Toby in RPG maker if they really wanted to in less time than him.
He's ANNOYING!He's a DOG!
>>721887639hes a YURIFAG
>>721874350How do people find this stuff interesting. I genuinely don't even see how people find Cris-chan fascinating let alone other lolcows
>>721874079So did Chara like Asriel romantically?
>>721887671In a word: schadenfreude. People want to watch retards get dunked on because its funny, the idubbbz stuff is a good example
>>721887606Wasn't Alphys originally a male throughout development until they were made female? Why do I never see this brought up? Unless the Unphys Aldyne stuff was added late in the development or something, the UT yuri ship wasn't even originally yuri.
>>721887671>How do people find this stuff interesting.Abnormally high levels of estrogen in the bloodstream. Lolcowry is just gossip but for the internet era, except instead of some Hollywood actor it's some random internet nobody.
>>721887395The ferris wheel ride feels like a 2 hour long Suselle shipping montage and Toby was right to include the option to skip it.
>>721876115Okay and? That is not what irony poisoned means anyway. You could have just said you still dont get it
>>721887785Yes everyone says this, but it doesn't matter. What matters is that it's forced upon the player, and it's dykeshit
>>721869480YesHE
>>721887793>Whatever Ralsei's planning with Kris depends on the player being willing to sit through the worst yurislop ever madeThat goat is too dumb man
>>721887792You're only against it because you see yourself in the people being made fun of
>>721887671Mostly mental illness, 99% of the time the people who obsess over lolcows are one step away from lolcowdom themselves.I will give people who are autistic about Chris some slack since he's interesting in so many ways even if 99% of his trolls are psychotic retards.
>>721887828How does it not matter? It doesn't line up with the whole Toby is a uber yuri fag thing.
>>721887758I can get that but dopamine wise I'd rather finish my backlog or even do friendslop with friends.
>>721876420You know, there is nothing stopping you from writing a male bully character with some redeemable elements. The fact that Stephen King taught people that the average bully should be written to be morally on par with Volgin from Metal Gear solid 3 isn't the fault of people writing girl bullies.
>>721887878It's prime side monitor content while you do other thingsI watch it while game devving
>>721887870Because the end result is yurifag fetish shit that is forced upon the player
>>721887867This image doesn't make any senseHe fucked Rudy?
>>721887907Wish I could peek into the timeline where Susie's a dude.
>>721887867Deltarune fandom has many Chris Chan like characters
>>721887793Some people act like Toby rolled up a yuri doujin and sodomized them with it for 3 hours. It's not a very long scene at all and the only thing you really miss out on if you skip it is like, some Noelle angel symbolism I guess. I can't really think of anything else.
>>721887867>99% of the time the people who obsess over lolcows are one step away from lolcowdom themselvesEveryone who says this is projecting HARD
>>721887962I mean, all I will say is that people would probably be harsher towards Noelle.
>>721887976I'm pretty sure gen alpha is going to be mostly comprised of Chris Chans at this rate.
>>721888040Not all of gen alpha is Deltarune fans
I don't hate Suselle, I just hope it doesn't end up becoming the solution to the inevitable Noelle and Susie meltdown.
>>721888018i don't think i've ever met a well adjusted lolcow obsessed person. it requires a certain level of acid round the soul to fill your brain with that shit
>>721887976>Deltarune fandom has many Chris Chan like charactersThey fucked their mother?
>>721870304Frisk also used they/them in Undertale. It just didn't happen often.
>>721888068They're still mentally fucked because they're being raised by the modern internet.
>>721888123>i don't think i've ever met a well adjusted lolcow obsessed personNo shit most are anonymous
>>721874223Toby HATES you.
>>721888324the feeling is mutual
>>721888324Chara is a good character, unironically.The more we learn about them the more intresting they become.
>>721888393creepypasta games have better chatacters
I find it odd that out of all the characters in this game filled with crazy monsters, my favorite character is the human that died 999 years ago and has a minute or two of screen time at most.
>>721887739Yes. Toby confirmed it.
>>721888531My favorite character is probably either Papyrus or Asgore. Issue is their stories are very self contained and it's hard to really do much with them.
>>721888324>>721888393>>721888531You have to be over 18 to use this site
>>721888531Toby... why did it take ten years for you to reveal that?
>>721888610If someone was 8 years old when Undertale first came out, they'd be 18 right now.
>>721888670That is how time works
>>721888531For me it's the chink with all the screen time but no dialogue that makes people think she doesn't even have a character.
>>721869883>>721888143It's pretty funny how literally every human in UTDR is referred to with gender neutral pronouns including the new dialogue about the human wizard in the UT intro from the stream and the game refrains from assigning them strict gender roles (Kris Doctor/Nurse outfits, princess bows, etc.) obviously to be all subversive and cute and play with RPG self-insert protagonist tropes diegetically just like the game does with saving and loading and battles literally being an in-universe activity that's part of monster culture, yet people take this to mean somehow that they're all nonbinary. I really don't get it. It seems like such a jump in logic if you're familiar with the game at all. It's sort of like Trans Ralsei theories to me, like sure, maybe you can make it make sense thematically and even come up with a decently convincing argument, but the character's gender identity is literally never brought up and is totally irrelevant to the story and I doubt it's ever going to be confirmed, so it's just like why??
>>721876420That's just a Sony game
>>721888818Frisk is being stoic here
>>721876420>I wanna make a game where there's a big strong girl and she just beats the shit out of the main character and ruins their life and there's no twist.Fire Emblem?
>>721888901mogged
>>721887806Having that type of humor is worse than whatever kvetching you're making over "irony poisoning"
>>721888989t. hasn't actually enjoyed anything in years because he's too irony poisoned
>>721889153I enjoy many things, but unfunny jokes aren't amongst them
>>721889218>I enjoy many thingsno, you just complain about them on /v/
>>721889275Like you complain about things that don't exist on /v/
>>721889292You owned that seething troon.
>>721888852It was already dead because Dess exists in Undertale, but the consistency in they/them humans is unironically one of the best points against Human DessToby would NEVER give a human in the Underdeltaverse a specified gender
>>721865572Did Tony actually call Chara "mommy"
>>721875361proof?
>>721889838he's a PEDOPHILE!
>>721889838Yes>>721874964
>>721874964Buddy was mad he gave all his fans a horrible sense of humor
>>721869539it's a term that DSPGaming came up with
>>721886958I saw a lot of mass copy and pasted bundles of Deltarune sprites around my town, all by one person, which makes it highly likely that they paid real money to put it up.
>guy who popularized the togore shit and was responsible for people even knowing about the literal-who OC from 9 years ago asked people not to vote togore in the name poll, because he didn't want shitty brainrot meme of the month #92382304 to be immortalized in the 10th anniversary of undertale>redditors got fucking PISSED at this and found the original OC so they can go "you didn't even make togore so you can't tell us what to do!" and downplay his responsibility and vote togore even harder>the days before the anniversary were filled with unironic togore dramaI absolutely understand why Toby shat on it and rigged the vote to go back to Chara, this was all so stupid
>>721888981Looks too realistic.
>>721890283>Look up what Togore is.>It's just the Weird Matt meme again.And you're telling me there were intense arguments about this thing online?
>>721890456Yes, this is how felted the deltarune community truly is
>>721890729
>>721890784Why are deer girls like this?
>>721869619It genuinely feels like every month there's this new random word turned into slang, or some new huge meme that only small children knowWhat the fuck is 6-7
>>721890931Felted has been around since before Undertale dude
>there are "people" here who still unironically think Dess is going to turn out to be evil and fanon chara 2.0>even after the stream where toby turned out to be a massive charafag and the defended the shit for the entire stream
>>721891271>and the defended the shit for the entire stream
>>721891271She's going to be fanon Chara 2.0 if she's even remotely shown in a negative light. This fandom has no understanding for grayness. That doesn't change the fact that Dess probably won't actually be irredeemably evil and Toby will probably be revealed to be a massive Dess fag.
>>721891271Evil? NoBut she has a [HEART SHAPED OBJECT] and I doubt its a good influence. If a light soul is (you), I wonder what exactly the dark soul is.
>>721891395>Carol>Defending DessThe first thing she's going to do when she comes back is ground her for ten million years.
>>721891425>I wonder what exactly the dark soul is.It's been broken apart into humanity.
>>721891271They only think this because for some reason, people decided to force a meme that Asriel is going to quote his Undertale self and say "Dess wasn't the greatest person..." and it was just immediately accepted as true
>>721891563It's mostly a joke, frankly. But I would be shocked if Dess ends up being entirely good.
>>721891425>If a light soul is (you)It's not, for the record
I don't like evil Dess because I think it will happen.I like it because it makes my shot turn into a big shot.
>>721891405The fandom's black-and-white approach to characters is really fucking jarring at times.Kris went from "poor wittle babby getting his freedom and agency stolen and taken over by the EVIL player who decided to possess him for no reason even though we got trolled out of our vessel but we kept playing so we're still bad anyway" to literal Hitler within like 2 seconds after people played Chapter 4
>>721891773I like dead dess for this reason
>>721891867Kris is hilarious since every chapter sees a total reversal of the fandom's opinions on Kris.>Chapter 1: KRIS IS CHARA AND HE'S GOING TO KILL EVERYBODY!>Chapter 2: KRIS IS GOOD AND HE'S MAKING A FOUNTAIN FOR A GOOD REASON!>Chapter 3 and 4: KRIS IS SATAN FOR WORKING WITH THE KNIGHT.Can'' wait for chapter 5 for the pendulum to swing again.
how would chara and kris get along
>>721892046I just don't like Kris. Such a nothing character. Humans fucking suck in these games.
>>721891773Asriel...
Whenever I look at Deltarune theorycrafting, it feels like they're never considering what their predictions would look like in the overarching story rather than a puzzle solution to the current isolated mystery box.Like I'm sure you could piece together a bunch of shit to explain Asgore being the knight but could you really imagine that being the plot of the game. Could you imagine reading through a post-release synopsis of all the basic plot beats and seeing that in there.
>>721891563Funny how that quote is canon COPE.
>>7218909316-7 is a reference to a rap song with a rapper in the same vein as but even less coherent and cogent than lil b. You have to understand that zoomers unironically enjoy mumble rap so they had to lower the bar even further to find a meme rapper to latch onto in the same way. It's actual severe retardation on display in a song.>>721891262Rage bait has been around for decades at this point and zoomers are just now picking it up and spamming it en masse like they just learned the term. The point of origin and the point of mass adoption are never synced.
who is still playing these games in 2025?
its not about krusie, or kriselle, or ralsusie, or any other ship winning. its about suselle losing
>>721892308"ragebait" is literally known more than just "bait" nowadays
>>721892308>Rage bait has been around for decades at this point and zoomers are just now picking it up and spamming it en masse like they just learned the term. The point of origin and the point of mass adoption are never synced.People are so afraid of getting rage baited but they can't help themselves. Also what does that have anything to do with felted?
>>721888531i'm sorry anon you have autism
>>721892104>Same ageHatred>Chara olderProbably get along.>Kris olderHatred again.>>721892181I like him as a character I just wish the fandom would stop going so black and white.
>>721892261It's him accepting that Chara was a person and not a Idol to look up to.It's why I almost wonder if Kris or Noelle are going to drop the line rather than Asriel.
>>721892181Filtered by human kino. They're an acquired taste.
>>721892390>charafag calling someone else autisticpot, meet kettle
>>721892476Humans are good in most stories but Toby doesn't understand his fellow humans. Feels like an autistic alien writing a human character. In other words it's cringe.
>>721892529Toby mostly writes about humans that are like him. Kris, Chara, even Frisk to some extent.
>>721892046"Kris only made the fountain because he wanted to have more fun adventures with Susie!" was really really dumb looking back.Chapter 3 already had enough filler that people regularly complain about it, if that was really the reason he made the fountain then the entire premise of the damn chapter would've been filler. Being strategically done to fulfill the Knight's keikaku makes it actually serve a purpose for the plot that "moar dark world fun :D" wouldn't.
>>721892552I know that, everyone does that to some extent
>>721892529We like autistic humans that are weirder than monsters here.
>>721892849Is it really autism?
>>721892812It's better than my method of writing human characters based on characters from other stories I like. Including Deltarune since the second MC of my fangame is just a combination of ralsei and Noelle.
Will she appear in Deltarune?
>>721887607Do it then Smile
>>721892361Felted has similarly been a term used by a niche community for a long time and is recently gaining wider adoption. That's the connection. I really shouldn't have to spell these things out, but I've just given up entirely on you creatures.
>>721888989Okay and? Nigger being irony poisoned is still bad.Might as well be a murderer saying "at least I'm not a child rapist" when you deflct something by saying "at least I'm not worse" you imply a rely low opinion
>>721887448Alex Yard, go to bed
>>721892046>Can'' wait for chapter 5 for the pendulum to swing again.Very likely, because we might get more details on the "promise" mentioned on the phone at the end of Chapter 4, which in of itself is already a huge implication that Kris doesn't want to be going along with this.(Which somehow a lot of people didn't catch.)If we find out that he's being blackmailed by Carol or something it'll shift back to Kris being a pure innocent angel again. And then in Chapter 6 we find out it's because Kris was unintentionally responsible for Dess's disappearance and he becomes Satan again.
>>721892602Glad I was always against that. That's why Kris Knight was vindicated even if it was wrong.
>>721887862Now say that about Liquid Chris
>>721891405Wasn't the stream banning people on sight for typing the Bergentruck meme? Was he mad at people memeimg Dess getting hit by Asgore's car?
>>721865893I know nothing about this world and universe. But just judging by your thread you are correct. Its like Tumblr with men acting like woman.
>>721893789I think it's just that Deltarune fans love running jokes dry until it makes everyone want to gauge their eyes out
>>721887995Well yeah, Ferris wheel scene doesn't looks as bad compared to Noelle acting like a hypocritical spoiled cunt for thirty minutes straight in chapter 4. Kinda reminds me of how I thought trolls are going to be the worst part of Homestuck for me back in the day, and then came post-scratch humans.
>>721865893The Brony community was actually good back in 2011-2012. Deltarune is nothing more than tranny shit.
The fandom really needs to learn Spamton wasn't driven insane (initially) by a Shadow CrystalHe did get more murderous and desperate after coming in contact with it in the NEO body, but his batshit insane manner of speech? That was all before he ever had one. It was in the machine the whole time.
>>721894450>Noelle acting like a hypocritical spoiled cunt Anon, Noelle IS spoiled. Mostly spoiled sweet, but still spoiled. That's not bad writing, that's just her acting in character.
annoying dog is monochrome now that i think about it
>>721894650That's not bad writing yet. If she gets her just desserts, then it's fine, but if Susie still gets with Noelle after getting treated like a plaything by her, then Toby is the new Hussie.
>>721885553>The Kirk shooter was fucking obsessed with UT/DR.https://youtube.com/watch?v=T9ZaC6Gw0UY also charles manson was obsessed with a beatles song. it should not be surprising that when something is nearly universally popular, it'll have a number of fans who are psychopaths. this is where you argue against the "universally popular" claim instead of the point i was making
>>721894826That's why I'm going to reserve my judgement.Noelle is heading for town crashout. That much is self evident. Her crush on Susie will either be the thing that get her out or cause her to fall as far as she possibly can.
>>721887395>Bro stop squatting over my plate to take a shit>How do you know it's going to be shit, it hasn't come out yetI'm from the future.It's going to be shit bro.
>>721889838Yes and no, it's apparently another of his obscure references
I'm growing to really dislike how Spamton is getting milked for fandom bait. This was the character whose nonsense dialogue was gold at every line and it's now just void shit for autistic woman to masturbate to
>>721865572>feltedYou meant to say "dented", right? Because they all are brain damaged.
>>721894892I'd like to reserve my judgement, but we know that not only Toby can't be trusted, but his team is compromised to hell and back. We have Gigi gushing about Suselle in her interview, we have those mystery Suselle sprites in the files, we have fucking Mariel Cartwright on the team, who most likely have nothing to do with Suselle but if you come to a funeral , overturn the coffin and start kicking the corpse, people will still yell at Cartwright if she's present there.
>>721887907The average bully is morally on par with Volgin from MGS 3. Where do you think the habitual offenders and drug abusers and other lowlives come from? They don't just turn into a bad apple one day after a string of weird coincidences. They start as child offenders that cannot fit in and abuse others for their amusement.
>>721895737>Where do you think the habitual offenders and drug abusers and other lowlives come from?Mostly spoiled middle class people who think way too highly of themselves despite being uniquely suscepitble to propoganda.
>>721895734I feel the conversation between Susie and Noelle honestly casts enough doubt on her as a character that I would be shocked if it has no payoff. Like I said, we know she's heading for a crashout. I really doubt Susie will be the thing to get her out of it.
>>721869619"Aura farming" is a nonsense construction grammatically speaking.All you need to know is that it's a stupid term gen-Z made up for doing a jojo pose complete with the ゴゴゴゴ.
>>721894450I mean, to be fair, Susie is also turned off in this scene by how she keeps shitting on Kris to get in her pants and keeps trying to change the topicTrust the plan(tm)
>>721887395Noelle's house and the ferris wheel ride already feel like Suselle montages.
Just had a dream in where Toby revealed that Kris's boss fight theme is called Fly
What's going on with Asriel
>>721896581He's off at cool leg
>>721896581Cucking Dess.
>>721896383because he's as insignificant as a fly or because because he can fly in that battle?
>>721896702Fly because freedom, also Toby said he was inspired by picrel.
>>721895347I didn't mind it in the stream but it's funny how Toby exclusively appeals to his women fanbase versus the chud 4chanbase.
>>721896824you once again have failed me and your ancestors by not actually posting the picture while saying 'picrel'
>>721896652Something something Kress, something something Yosuga no Sora
>>721896930I literally did here >>721896383
>>721896581Trying to survive bizzarro undertale
>>721896581Will appear in the end to kick Kris in the balls and kiss Susie V-J Day style.
>>721874964the fact he had to spend tens of thousands of his own dollars to get chara to win was hilarious
>>721869304This Susie's OC pic was hilarious but by the time I got around to downloading it, the jannies nuked it. Poor chap probably ate a three-day ban for it too.
>>721865572Krusie/Krisellebros how do we spin this to not kill our ships?
How popular do you think deltarune would be if the genders of the main cast were swapped
>>721897273>Asriel is a pedophilewaow
>>721898001FemKris time.
>>721898071Gay Suselle is marginally better because it's just a basic bitch yaoi Kris becomes turbo fandom!Charaoverall a bit more popular with more female fans
>>721869539Felted as in losing a round of Poker. Because you're left with nothing but the felt of the table.Thus, Felted.
>>721898071You'd lose a good chunk of the male fanbase who just sees Kris as a dude.
>>721898001We proceed regardless
>>721898001All those traits also kind of apply to KrisSo let's just hop on the femkris train and call it a day
>>721870015Based TobyThe asgore drunk driving meme was funnyTogore was dogshit and as you say, 100% forced
>>721898623Zoomer slang is going to age worse than 90s slang. In ten years saying shit like “skibidi rizz senpai be aura farming no cap” will be just as cringe as saying “wazaaap homies you da bomb forizzle”
>Toby openly supported Chara due to not wanting a FoTM meme character to ruin his emotional 10th anniversary stream>this site’s now going to meme about how this means Toby shoots rope to CharaI wouldn’t have it any other way
>>721899307He's definitely at least looked at Chara pornography
>>721899307Don't forget the mommy comment. It's honestly just payback at murderboy/Anti-Charafags being really annoying pricks.
>>721899686says the infinitely more annoying prick who thinks the mommy comment wasn't toby referring to himself as a meme
>>721899307Toby is just a faggot.> Bans bergenTRÜCK memes> Bans Sansmaeda memes > "Rose" was a filtered word
>>721899747Isnt it a reference to a text?
>>721899826> "Rose" was a filtered wordhuh? why?
>>721899747Yep, I am glad (you) are seething for a week now.
>>721900074RAPE THE DOE, KRIS.
>>721900051Yeah. It's just funny that people get genuinely peeved at people joking it refers to Chara as if people didn't spam murderboy here for a literal decade now.
>>721900116LMAOwe mentally dominate tobert
>>721892104I’m more interested in how Asriel’s two narrative haunting GFs would get along
I never really cared about Dess in the past and I'm even less interested in her character now with all the fanon interpretations of her. And I'm usually a sucker for tomboys.Also, why is she always depicted to be in her late teens? Didn't she get whacked way back when?
>>721899826>>721900116>>721900237This autistic retard was carefully reworking and polishing every single detail in the game (One of the main reasons why it takes so long, by the way) and somehow, no one on his team or even Toby and Temmie themselves failed to see how bluntly it all can be seen as direct physi rape.Although, Tem was probably too wet to tell Toby that, after all, dramatic rape is considered absolute cinema for women.
>>721888018>implyingYou're either a kiwinigger yourself or someone who hasn't ever taken a look at that site.
>>721874223so much this, I fucking hate the mythos surrounding a character we don't even fucking meet or interact with in any canon way other than kill everyone cause the internet told you to lole.I'd like to enjoy the fnaf games and their atmosphere but I can't because the devs decided to cater to the purple guy/william afton lore bullshit that you don't even interact with on your very own secluded personal playthrough.Anything "secret" by the internet becomes the main attraction immediately, look at the Elden Ring Steam cheevos completion rate, more people finished the secret ending than they did for the main ending... Just like most people finished undertale in full pacifist rather than kill a few people and restart without killing anyone for it.
>>721901384theory and lore fags detract too much from the core aspect
>>721899826I find it funny how the rose lives rent-free in someone's mind and got censored, but "proceed" did not receive the same treatment. I say this as someone who said "PROCEED" every time Noelle was on screen.
>>721870003Considering sans and toriel I don't think the relationships are meant to be good.
>>721901494Proceed is cool but it didn't had even half as much rape power as rose scene did
>>721875416The fuckThe game is completely the opposite. It is full of jokes but it knows when to back off and be serious.
>>721901304Even here the biggest threadshitters were the ones obsessed with whatever thread schizo of the week is.
>>721869434Considering Dessriel and how Alphys was originally suppose to male I’m pretty sure Toby just tomboys paired with meek weirdos more than anything.
>>721900502>Idc about this character>anyway, about this character...?
>>721870957Can't do that to deltarune fans or else you're transphobic. Bronies didn't have such protection
>>721870453>Chapter 4 starts>"There are only 2 sexes"Entire fanbase up in flames
>>721896652Dess is into cuckqueaning confirmed.
>>721902558MONSTER, and HUMAN
>>721902558lol
why do they want to force the prophecy? what's the endgoal?
>>721902727The prophecy will happen no matter what so I think they're trying to direct it in a way that will cause the minimum amount of destruction and/or has a chance of bringing Dess back. This has a chance of backfiring however.
>>721871776>year of our lord 2025>”Bideo games cause violence”Christ it’s like being stuck in a objectively worse 90s
>>721898001Kris and Susie are clearly affecitonate for each other and it doesn't take a lot to push them together. However, as is right now the player and whatever is going on with Kris is a obstacle in the way. Kris is still fated to end up with Noelle eventually.
>>721900304Both of them would be looking to kill the other. Dess because she thinks Chara is no good for Asriel (Mostly correct) but also secretly because she thinks she still has a chance with Asriel (Incorrect). Chara just because a girl like Dess is way too showy and fake.
>>721900618It was a deliberate gambit.The response was too shift to actually make it believable that they didn't realize what was going on.
>>721901494This image feels Porky coded.
>>721901384Chara in the true pacifist is a pretty perfect twist. I love watching people reach the tapes just for the "What" reaction all of them have. Genocide just makes it way spicier by letting us meet them in their worst possible form, but that predictably becoming the main way people viewed the character is kind of unfortunate. It's akin to what happened to Sans but in a much more minor way.
>>721902849>ChanceLiterally all of them are bringing the prophecy about in their effort to avert it.
>>721902849But the prophecy ends on a good note, why are people so against it.
>>721903781Yes, thats how fate stories usually go.
>>721903945I know. And Carol has exactly the kind of personality where she thinks "Oh yeah? I can totally avert it". Possibly Kris as well. Guy is very stubborn.>>721903816Cause people are going to die.
>>721904048But the heroes will save the day no?
>>721904180At the cost of Noelle or Kris dying.
>>721900304We have incomplete pictures of both and mainly have to go off secondhand sources to guess at their personalities. People thought Chara was a psychopath for the longest time and some of the most popular greens about Dess and Chara meeting ride on this assumption, but this was denied by Word of God. Meanwhile, we don't know who Dess is aside from being a tomboyish punk who was protective of her younger sister. Basically we have no idea how they would interact.>>721903673Kris was indeed porking someone.>>721903781I just said they're not averting it. If anybody is trying to avert the prophecy, it's (you) in the Weird Route.>>721903816>prophecy has apocalyptic imagery>only complete destruction is avoided at the last minute>there's some big tragedy we have to guess atIt's not something to look forward to. As a real-world comparison, many Christians are fearful of the Apocalypse even though eternal life is promised at the end of it, because getting to that end will be extremely painful.
>>721904180No, everything is going to hell in a hand-basket.
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>>721904180the world will be saved, nothing is said about everyone elsewell, we don't know what is said
>>721902128I think the problem with meek weirdos is that if they're a dude people tend to find them insufferable and wholly unrelatable
>>721900167>JokingHey, how's YAGI doing?
I want Asriel to save KrisCaptcha: GGESY
>>721904658>Only one was deletedIf it works it works.
>>721904902that's generally untrue but it applies to alphys because she's a shit character male or otherwise but people forgive characters more easily if they are womenyou can make a meek weirdo that is a good character
>>721904902>>721905226Doesn't Ralsei fit the definition of being a meek weirdo?
>>721905382People also for the longest time thought he was the incarnation of the devil because he knew too much and was too nice
>>721905382Yes.
>>721904978Let Yagi live his life, anon.
>>721906095We gotta get his shadow crystalFor the cool ending
>>721906496I think (you) is the one with it.
>>721905382And people disliked him up until chapter 4.
>>721906761Nope, I just wanna see something funny happen.
>>721905823>>721906768i mean, most people that disliked him thought that he was a meek weirdo only performatively, that mostly should've changed after chapter 3 and 4 but some people are too stubborn and still think that it's all an act and he's le evil or whatever
>>721906768Most people liked Ralsei. It was mostly conspiracy theorists who had a issue with him.
>>721907483Man this kind of trust issues is only seen in the Kirby series, people need to chill.
>>721907238Jevil...
>>721907610yeah i mean from a purely meta/writing perspective it wouldn't make sense for him to still be secretly evil, it would be pulling the rug for no real reason other than wanting to pull the rug for the sake of it
>>721907760It's the typical black and white problem again.>Ralsei isn't telling the whole truth>He MUST be evil.
>>721907483The "uwu step on me" jokes are awkward and off putting, period. Ralsei up until 3 and 4 only had this going on for his character and theories tried to make him Flowey 2.0 totally evil manipulating Kris and the player because it's all there was to think of him. No wonder people would often disregard him and substitute him for Noelle
>>721902367Chris Chan got kicked out of xer fair share of cons regardless of that.
>>721907902>The "uwu step on me" jokes are awkward and off putting, period.I think it's cute, but I do wish the game would decide if it's a genuine flaw or cute behavior.
>>721907941as always the left eats its own
>>721907760Ralsei being evil would also make things easier for Susie when things inevitably shit the fan, and we all want to maximize the Susie crash out value.
>>721908063This.It's way more fun for Ralsei to be genuinly torn between his loyalty to Kris and his friendship with Susie.
>>721908009At this point I'm pretty sure it's a flaw, considering he sees himself and other Darkners as literally worthless outside of trying to avert the prophecy because they "aren't real."Nigga's gonna need to get mindbroke by the understanding that the Lightners he looks up to are just as "not real" as he is by getting a third eye opening to our layer of reality and how WE view the worlds as a whole.
>>721865893Whats the deltarune equivalent to the mane six?
>>721908331the fuck gang
>>721906761Nah bro, think about itWe had to get three keys>The two tumblr blogs>The steam account of one person that had the link to his profileTOTAL schizoboss. Go get the shadow crystal. You want it don't you?
>>721908331krissusieralseilancernoelleberdly
>>721908009Pretty sure the game has been making it clear it's a problem.
>>721908591it also seems like it's making it clear that noelle and susie's relationship wouldn't work but everyday it seems more like toby is just gay and retarded and wants to goon to bully x nerd dyke sex
>>721908715NTA, but most of the evidence for that is generally a bit more hidden. Ralsei having issues is very front and center.
>>721908526Okay, Spamton.
>>721908715I want to believe dude. I want to believe Toby is not going to shit himself over his dumb fetish.I want to have hope.
>>721908861He'll shock everybody by revealing Kris is actually a girl and he ends up fucking both Noelle and Susie.
>>721908909he'll make kris a girl so people can't say that he raped noelle
>>721908094Ralsei isn't loyal to Kris, he's ultimately loyal to (you) because (you) are the master of Castletown. He can't go against (you) directly but can subvert your will in various ways.>>721908331Ralsei = TwilightSusie = Rainbow DashKris = Applejack (but traumatized)Noelle = FluttershyCatty = RarityLancer = Pinkie Pie
>>721881079the blackpill is that susie is male codedso suselle is the most hetslop ship a yurifag could defend
>>721867168I feel like people forget how much Undertale was hated and got pushback when it first dropped. The haters just sorta gave up and went quiet, letting the cancer fester unopposed.
>>721908860No but honest question, why are you guys so afraid of him? Like it's funny, but run me through your thought process on this shit.
>>721892181Kris is a great character
>>721908909Somehow less bad than then suselle ending.
>>721909401>Male codedPlease, she's a girl through and through.
>>721876586Deltatroons actually do shove their shit everywhere they can like bronies didThat r/place website is a prime example of the infestation
>>721909401Once the game is complete I wanna see a mod that turns "Susie" into "Sam" changes just his pronouns and changes girl from the prophey into boy. Would like to know how much people still like Susie regardless of the butch lesbian appeal.
>>721909401Lies
>>721909973Or you know, it's popular pixel art of the current day so people are going to both know how to and will want to make it
>>721909402Undertale wasn't hated, the fandom was. People who let the fandom dictate their opinions on a work of media are retarded.>>721909984Who would play it though? Aside from terminally online retards, the only people who will know about it will be those who prefer that arrangement in the first place. Most people prefer Susie as she is.
>>721909475Because genuinely he's just a gay dork.
>>721909973Oh no! Not the Reddit page! Noelle save me!!!
>>721910802Nah, Undertale itself was hated too, being (rightly) accused of being overrated Tumblr slop.
>>721899686>NOOO YOU CANT USE THE GAME'S CODE AS EVIDENCE>YES CHARA IS MOMMY BECAUSE I'M ILLITERATE
>>721911707>NOOO YOU CANT USE THE GAME'S CODE AS EVIDENCEYes.
>>721911707>>NOOO YOU CANT USE THE GAME'S CODE AS EVIDENCEToby is deliberately telling Dess's experience with going Dark, Darker, Yet Darker through unused text strings and fully intends for it to be shared because he wants to treat his dataminers with something to look forward to before the game finally unravels the truth of everything on its own terms in Chapter 6 or 7..
>>721909362And Berdly = Trixie
>>721904658It's a well known fact that people are absolutely butthurt/Obsessed over UT/Dr to the point that it's unhealthy nothing new here really, especially if they try to rationalize it.
>>721911707Another seething murderboycuck after his shitposting material got outdated. Love to see it.
>>721912372Even the jannies are those people now.
>>721909891If Susie was a dude, nothing would change.
>>721914149It'd make Krusie more viable because it has "yaoi vibes" (ignore the fact Kris is nonbinary and 'yaoi vibes' implies Kris is male, please UWU) whereas Suselle is now "ew, straight couple".
>>721909475I'm worried about him not being like what I've heard.
>>721914650People already call Kriselle and Krusie yuri outside of here.
>>721894450It's funny how either you have Noelle shitting on Kris or Noelle being super happy that the Kris she knew from her childhood was back, no middle groundIt's more deep than that because Kris ghosted Noelle but still funny
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAH BUDDDYYYYYYYY*rings giant Triangle Bell*OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAH
If we're going for Homestuck parallelsDess will DEFINITELY be the VriskaEither her or Noelle
>>721896378she accepts it after Noelle caters to her in that scene though. And she isn't really pulled off, that face is just her neutral face in that scene.
>>721915334>pulledmeant put
>>721915183Noelle genuinly doesn't know what to make of Kris. They clearly care about them, but they also on some level do deeply understand they are distancing themselves from them.
>>721915298If Chapter 5 is heavy-handed on Suselle you can bet your ass Noelle is Vriska.
>deltarune >undertale I just realized this.....
>>721915904Noelle's also Jade, she's destined to be corrupted into a grimdark form.
>>721915019some do technically but most people are scared shitless of claiming that kris is anything but non binary (male)kris can only be properly discussed here without lgbtards trying to rip your throat out
>>721865572Why would i put up with tobys deltarune when i have a better deltarune on roblox already
>>721914695What, like, hot?
>>721916324People naturally default on all ships between the human characters being gay. Most people subconsciously see Kris as male and Chara/Frisk as female. That's why Charisk is such a safe normalfag ship and prominent Krusie/Kriselle artists have to force the yuri label on their ships to not be canceled. Kralsei/Kerdlyfags don't do that.
>>721916324Kris is honorary yuri basically
>>721865893Nope. The 2020s version of bronies are vtuber fans.
>>721916898TRVKE they even got their own gay baby jail board
>>721916808i think another big reason why people see kris as male by default is due to self inserting, and then people just accepting it as the defaultlots of people are doubtful that toby's ever going to make things more clear, but based on the anniversary stream he clearly does think of all the characters as male or female privately
>>721916872even the much more rare yuri kriselle gets good art what's with this pairing?
>>721917083I actually think the anniversary stream means he will never clarify things because he thinks anyone's interpretation is more valid than his. So male, female, it's up to (you).
>>721917160Kriselle is like a Greek tragedy. Obviously it's going to attract good artfags.
>>721894450>>721895734I think you're retarded, Anon. I really don't know how you went through this scene and didn't see the seeds of conflict being planted between Susie and Noelle. Toby didn't just throw in that line about an inferno of jealousy for no fucking reason.
>>721871776Did you screencap your own twitter post?
>>721917287The main thing to note about the scene is that it's pretty well hidden. The game clearly expects you to just get he damn guitar instead of listening to those two talk for ten minutes. That both gives it more and less validity.
>>721917160Kriselle has the whole "childhood friends turned tragic unwitting and unwilling pawns" thing going on thanks to the Weird Route, without it the ship would have basically nonexistence presence outside of SuicidalPixel animations.
>>721898071ch4 weird route flower controversy never happens
>>721917287>Toby didn't just throw in that line about an inferno of jealousy for no fucking reason.It's about Asgore seething over Soriel. In his chapter focused moment right after Chapter 4 ends with setting Sans and Toriel up.
>>721898071I would love to see anybody defending Noelle in the spamton sweepstake if the genders were reversed.
>>721917283True, true.Ask yourself this; When's the last time you saw a great piece of Suselle art?The great artists flock to either Dessriel [better Suselle] or Kriselle [tragic love that bitches love] and then you've got the mostly male audience of Krusie who're strangely great animators.Literally almost NOBODY gives a fuck about the suselle sloppa apart from xey/xemers. It's so poorly fucking written that quite frankly I would rather Susie fuck literally any other woman or man in hometown than Noelle.
>>721917804Someone post the "no one likes Suselle" image.
>>721917521>Suicidal pixelWhy does this guy use his insane pixelart talents to make fucking deltarune porn???? He could be doing literally anything else with how good his spriteart is.
>>721908331The souls
>>721900502Twitter artists are secondaries. These are the same people who depict Omori characters with smartphones.
>>721917160So basically, take the edge and meta of genocide and sparkle a bit of shipping on it, it's like you're canonically forcing a couple to happen but evil, probably i didn't play that many games but it does feels unique.
>>721917907Because it rakes money.No one would give a shit about him otherwise, thats just how things work.
>>721917907it's his resume for toby's third game, Nut Dealertoby will crown himself king of erogames for real
>>721900618>and somehow, no one on his team or even Toby and Temmie themselves failed to see how bluntly it all can be seen as direct physi rape.Because there's nothing to actually imply it, at all. The whole rose thing was literally just a meme by secondaries that went out of control that was fueled by the shitty theory crafting of 15 year olds on twitter who think that Kris and Noelle's relationship is "problematic" and heteronormative grooming coded or whatever. There are plenty who STILL think this way. Can you really blame Toby for expecting his fanbase, who autistically tears apart his every work, to get it? We literally have a flower themed Dark World next chapter, of course he would start with the flower symbolism in the preceding chapter.
>>721918118I would unironically hire this guy to work on a deltarune fangame if his rates were cheap enough and then credit him as anonymous or something.
>>721918203This is also the same fandom that would rather spit on Toby's integrity in favor of irony-poisoned memes, as we've seen with how desperately they wanted Togore to win the name bid wars during endgame despite the fact Toby was pretty clearly intending on something special that would only be meaningful if Chara was the used name.
>>721918081This image is like that cursed Disney princess image but with funny details, everywhere I look I find something funny.
>>721918203Let's be so fucking for real anon, that shit was mostly our fault for shitposting about it here for a week straight
>>721917804I know suselle is sloppa but they still exist, however like you say it lacks the edge of any other pairing so most of their art is safe, which is funny to me, most of the time is the reverse
>>721917804>Ask yourself this; When's the last time you saw a great piece of Suselle art?Rarely but that might be the algorithm doing it's work on social media. >The great artists flock to either Dessriel [better Suselle]I am going to laugh so hard when it crashes and burns in a few years.Imagine if the bombshell of "Not that good of a person" dropped for Chara several years after the neutral ending.>and then you've got the mostly male audience of Krusie who're strangely great animators.Aren't a lot of Krusie fags women who are into drama.>It's so poorly fucking written that quite frankly I would rather Susie fuck literally any other woman or man in hometown than Noelle.Hmmmm... Jockington?
>>721918203>who think that Kris and Noelle's relationship is "problematic" and heteronormative grooming coded or whatever. I mean, I'll say this much. It is kind of fucked up but more in a "Tragic" kind of way than Kris and Noelle being genuinly bad for each other (Even if there are some shades of that.)As for it being hetero-normative... I can't take that seriously when people are also so fixated on calling Kris non binary. It's honestly a idea I do somewhat believe in, but it's also not something I Can discuss outside of maybe here where nobody gives a fuck about something being hetero-normative.
>>721917521idk, normal route also has angst. and the multiple sections of the game where they're alone together(ch. 2 and code indicates there will be another one)
>>721918391Krusie is incredibly edgeless though.
>>721918329I am really glad Chara won in the end and reddit lost. The Asriel dialogue would be ass with fucking Togore in. Can't believe people in this very board wanted it to win.
CALLING ALL RALSUE PATRIOTS!!!!
>>721911707>game's creator cannot change his headcanon after 10 years>>721917563Nah, it would happen since Kris is still being raped here.
>>721917615Because obviously, it can only mean one thing. It's not like the entire prophecy is subject to misleading interpretations. Toby would never do an unexpected thing.
>>721918639Sure, but it's even more pronounced on the Weird Route, the Equip scene might as well be an arranged marriage scene given the symbolism of (You) forcing Kris to put the Thorn (Ring) on Noelle's finger.
>>721918639Normal route has a bit of angst but it's hard to really feel much when Kris is mostly content to stay away from Noelle and Noelle isn't the type to disagree. I honestly want a scene of Noelle tearing into Kris for being such a shitty friend and making her feel like Kris hated her when she really needed the support.
>>721918374this was so fucking funny. how have i never seen this before
>>721918764True, I was just arguing against it being non-existent.
>>721918704Chara not being entirely evil makes their and Asriel's relationship all the more tragic.
>>721918203>Because there's nothing to actually imply it, at alldon't try to rewrite history you niggera rose withering heavily alludes to losing innocence thoughthat combined with you forcefully inserting the thorn ring back like a supervillian beforehand and kris being completely dazed after the cut to black and angrily beating the shit out of you makes it obvious why yiu could come to the conclusion that it's at least an allegory to it
>>721918921this literally reads like >>721918374
>>721918203Fair that Toby expected his retarded fanbase to not misunderstand the scene but come on, sometimes a flower losing petals was used to represent sex
>>721918763It can be both, but the main intended reading is Asgore’s cuckrage.
>>721919067I agree
>>721918921It is obviously a allegory. She literally seems to get mindbroken from it like a mid rape hentai doujin. Problem is people take things too literally and assume Kris literally dicked her down.
>>721919063I think the flower was a gambit to get it past the censors.
>>721919027i;m not saying it's a rape scene, toby's reaction to it almost definitively shows it wasn't supposed to be although even if it wasn't literal rape the theming is very similar to it anywaysthe point is that it's very easy to come to that conclusion even if unintended, toby's intent was irrelevant, death of the author etc.
>>721918679It kinda is, but also because Kris ignored her bullying attempts
>>721876420are you at LEAST gonna let the MC rape her?
>>721919117people didn't assume shitnobody actually thinks anything physical happened, posts claiming otherwise are fetish jokes like the "Dess molested Kris" posts
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>>721919467kino
>>721919296Kris ignored them because of a combination of not caring and seemingly seeing through her facade. We don't know what he told Susie but it as probably either "I know" or "I hope". Which, yeah, is worse than anything Susie can throw at them.
>>721919467KEK
>>721919431That's true here, at least outside trolling, but do you really think folks on twitter will get that?
>>721919431Before the scene Noelle does gets a bit romantic with Kris, i would say if you are in the kriselle grind or a coomer you could see it that way, but obviously it's more likely that Kris is mad that you're harming her
>>721919263It just doesn't make sense to me. It's a romantically tense scene where Noelle inches towards an anxious Kris with her eyes closed and the curtains shut, probably about to confess or ask them out to the festival or something, before the player butts in with our obsession over subverting the prophecy and testing the limits of the game and completely ruins the whole moment. It's thematically consistent with the rest of UT/DR. I feel like if you're actually trying to analyze the game and characters, you have to put in work to make the whole rape allegory thing believable.
I love Chara so much. It's such a shame I can't talk about her with anyone because every other fan has a strange fanmade version of her on their mind with thousands of headcanons and forced interpretations. She is evil and I like it.I REALLY wish her parallels with FRIEND meant something significant. The idea of chara somehow manifesting herself on Gaster's device to help you break free of the intended path sounds cool as fuck. Like you are not alone in this matrix, you get Noelle, Friend and Onion.
>>721919748>A bitNTA, but she invited a teenage boy to her sleeping room to basically confess her love.
>>721919841>She is evil and I like it.Toby seems to disagree with you.
>>721919841>She is evil and I like it.Not really.
>>721919841>It's such a shame I can't talk about her with anyone because every other fan has a strange fanmade version of her on their mind with thousands of headcanons and forced interpretations.Very Touhou.Anyway, I don't mind evil chara as long as it at least keeps their actual personality traits. Make them kid Dio Brando, that's always fun.
>>721918879It's crazy how different things could've been if Asgore wasn't prone to putting overwhelming responsibility and delusions of grandeur onto literal children.
Chara made me do it
>>721920027Frisk made me a pacifist. That's why she's my wife.
>>721919906>>721919945She literally is. She assists you in genocide, dismissively says her mother is not worth talking to and is the personification of consumption and grinding. Chara is evil. She even goes as far to kill everyone out of screen in the post pacifist ending out of spite. I don't want to fix her.
>>721919962It's a failure on the part of everybody, really. Chara was a obviously headcase and Toriel, even if she loved her, should have noticed. Asgore shouldn't have told a suicidal teenager he was the literal messiah. Asriel should have put his foot down instead of half going along with Chara's obviously bad plan. And Chara himself should have let go of her burning desire for vengeance.
>>721919956>How many slices of butterscotch pie have you eaten in your entire life, Asriel?
>>721919882Yeye i know she acts so much more grounded with Kris compared to Susie holyfuck bros i hate suselle, Noelle acts like a fucking retard with her
>>721920110Were they not in a soulless Flowey-like state during all of that?
>>721920110She assists you in every route, she's just less prevalent. >>721920126>Chara burning Lesser dog's ancestor.
>>721919841I don't think Chara is Vessel, but I wish there could be a way to reincarnate her once again, maybe using Noelle.
>>721920110>all of that shitOnly on the Genocide route, where you literally prove Chara's belief that absolute power is the only thing that matters.You canonically SAVE Chara on True Pacifist by showing the virtues of unwavering kindness and how far the ripple effect can go, as well as finally giving catharsis in letting monsterkind go free, something Chara failed to do.>She even goes as far to kill everyone out of screen in the post pacifist ending out of spite.After you literally give up Frisk's soul because you believe you're above the consequences of your actions, and that serves as a hard reminder that you aren't free of sin.
>>721920261Chara already showed to be like this before her death.
