In case you don't remember - in Mass Effect 1, when conversing with Ashley the topic of her faith gets brought up when talking about her father. She asks for your opinion on her faith, and you have a variety of options. One of the options is to say that you too believe in God. This is maybe the only instance I've ever seen where an RPG player character is able to express their faith in God, and of course I mean the IRL God and not a fictional in-game one. Do you know of any other examples?
Not many RPGs take place in a world based on our own.I suspect fallout games have instances of this since some of the 3d ones have pastors and Todd is a devout catholic.
>>721880020Yeah but you can't really do that in fallout. To my knowledge at least. Would be cool for a roleplaying perk.
>>721879841>and of course I mean the IRL GodAmaterasu?
>>721880095*tip*
>>721880091From what I remember, FO3 protag basically never mentions it and FNV protag doesn't even know what Joshua is talking about. The latter is realistic but I'm surprised the FO3 protag doesn't have more religious dialogue options (for or against) considering growing up with religious parents.
>>721880020i was trying to think of a series and fallout was the only one that came to mind too
pretty sure joshua graham asks you in new vegas
>>721880160Well you can participate in shrine festivals in persona.
>>721880095No retard, he meant the Egyptian Pharaohs, descendants of Horus.Try some age of mythology op.
>>721879841>and of course I mean the IRL God and not a fictional in-game oneYaldabaoth?
>>721880216Yeah that would've been cool to see in fallout 3. Someone from a vault (that wasn't an experiment) would more likely know about religions and especially Christianity
>>721879841Kingdom Come Deliverance. Expeditions: Viking does too I believe, although I can't personally confirm.
>ass erect>rpgAmazing talepage 10
>>721880513do you have the option of not believing in god in kcd? realistically that would lead to execution.
>>721879841In Inquisition you can get hyped about being the Maker's Chosen and then you find out your religion is a hoax lol
S HE P A R d
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>>721879841>why yes I believe in this middle eastern jew on a cross in whose name my ancestors were exterminated, the true white man's religion
>humanity conquered the stars, encountered aliens (which contradict the Bible), found ways to travel FTL and can build machines which imitate life 100% but theres a few straggling retards who believe in some jewish sky deity from a bunch of gibberish texts
>>721881429manlet rage
>>721881656she also hates turianswhat a dummy
>>721882113>hates turiansSame with every krogan, half of humans, and half of other turians.
>>721882165God, she was so good in the first game.
>>721879841> of course I mean the IRL God and not a fictional in-game one. Most RPGs are set in fictional worlds.
>>721882165there are a lot of dummies in the universe, sadly
>>721881795you're dead elf lol
>>721881656>encountered aliens (which contradict the Bible)No? God made many beasts, but we are the only ones in his image, and his chosen.
>>721879841>>721880160dogshit threadwhat is this, 2012?
>>721885239>"his chosen">space-faring humans are to aliens what jews are to us>they become the shadow leaders of the entire galaxy because their notion about their own favoured status makes them take more risks and ventures which culminates in them becoming more powerful>humanity invades alien planets citing that those lands were "promised to us" and no further justificationkino
Noveria...home
>>721880095That's a dog
>>721880372Funny story, first Mass Effect was made by Demiurge studios
>>721880513Love that about KCD2 but then I remember the game director is a kike and it's ruined
>>721880160Yeah, why is YHWH obsessed with tips, it's really weird
>>721881548Your bloodline has been Christian for longer than it has been pagan at this point.
>>721886237>what is this, 2012?I wish.
>>721888760That's literally impossible.
>be me fedora tipping chud against christcuckery and all abr*hamics>tfw now being right wing is becoming synonymous with being a christcuck again thanks to burgers
>>721879841How can you believe in God in a setting where reapers exist. Like, how christcucks can even maneuver around this.
>>721881795Too right.
>>721881795Nords are tall
>>721889057Can I get a death count on Mandela, he necklaced a lot of people
>>721888973Being retarded must be so lonely for you.
>>721881548>in whose name my ancestors were exterminatedYour ancestors converted to Christianity, retard.
>>721889057>everyone on the tall side is frauds who are only popular due to being charismaticlol
>>721888973>Become atheist>Troon out>Become cuckThese are your options
>>721889414you know it is funny how all atheists are atheists just because they're mad that masterbating is a sin, it's why they hate christianity the most
human pussy got me acting strange
>>721889478Project more.
>>721889692>we have Miranda at home
>>721888957Is it? With how much Pagan myths change, they probably worshiped some barely century old deity before becoming Christian.
>>721889478I hate it the most because it directly fucked over our civilization. The others are outside problems.
>>721879841Kingdom Come: Deliverance
>>721889767Yes. Paganism is everything not Abrahamic. It's impossible for a little over 2000 years at most to outweigh 8000.
>>721889745Miranda was just boxcover Ashley at home
>>721889692>character starts based and gets ruined by character arc
>>721889969They needed to fill the T&A gap after 2 and Ashley answered the callBut why even glance at her when EDI exists>>721890056That's why she guards the nuke
>>721888108The PC port was, yes, not the game itself.
>>721889057>mandela>goodlol
>>721890118The only ME I know
>>721889692Do it be like that?
>>721890081>That's why she guards the nukeAsh is still the lesser evil over letting Kaidan become a fag
>>721886497Mass Effect is clearly a human power fantasy because the aliens are all bumbling malicious and greedy retards who can't set aside their differences and act decisively against a threat that would wipe out all life from the universe. That clearly makes humanity God's chosen, and the Batarians into space Muslims.
>>721890056>>721890081
>>721890273I say it do
>>721890291The way I see it it's the only way femshep procreates
>>721888440Circumcision of the heart.
>>721890384she can with Liara though
>>721890301The one playthrough she didn't get virmired I shot her her for max drama Also shot Wrex in 3
>>721889919Early shamanism and whatever people from the Neolithic was also distinct from organized "pagan" religions.
>>721890443>genetic thievery and mindrape>spawns another asari genetic vampireNOPECuckery
>>721890483Still pagan.
>>721885239Since most aliens are humanoid, they are likely also made in God's image, especially since Humans are imperfect this allows for some variety of appearance.Now, rachni, hanar, blacks and elcor, these are not God's chosen for they stray too far from His design.
>>721888760I am chinese
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>>721890391How do you circumcise a heart? Sounds painful.
>>721890612>>Since most aliens are humanoid, they are likely also made in God's imageDefine humanoid. Mammal? Bipedal? Both? Sentient?
>>721890739You know the average LARPagan wants you dead, right? Only Christ unites all peoples as one.
>>721890780Featherless chicken
>>721890780Bipedal, and sentient, ability to build a civilization, two arms and ideally but not necessarily two eyes. Which means that yes, elcor may have a shot since their stance might allow for bipedalism though I am unsure
>>721890917Most neopagans are just weird hippies. The violently wishing others dead is an Abrahamic thing now.
>>721889478>Christians think 90%+ of everyone who ever lived is going to experience suffering so bad it’d be better they were never born>you are just supposed to accept this is totally reasonable and good and not a tool of indoctrination via fear
>>721889478That's projection. I understand christian theology better than most modern "christians" who've probably never even read the whole bible.
I'm just posting random Mass Effect image from my drive. There is no sense to my post, no meaning, just pure pointless relevance.
>>721890501You're playing femshep and romancing a dude, I don't think you're in any position to judge
>>721891468I'm OEM female
>>721891495No you're not.
>>721891602Stop gaslighting
>>721891495And you'll never be a woman.
>>721890606Pagan means rural or backward, anthropomorphic Greco-Roman deities with their human passions and vices would be seen equally as alien by people who worshipped the spirits of the wind and the mountains.
>>721889478I don't hate any religion, but I may have a bone to pick with religious fanatics, and usually those are Islamist. My problems with religion don't start from its issue with masturbation.
>>721891323>There is no sense to my post, no meaning, just pure pointless relevance.so you'd be fine with anyone posting a pic of any ME character?
>>721892510I guess...
>>721879841Not at all what you are asking, but I've always loved this line in the intro to MGS3.
>>721888069A very sexy dog
>>721890917>>721892360>>721891068>the average larpagan wants you deadThe AVERAGE LARPagan is a tv watching consumer in his bedroom all day watching reruns of Vikings tv shows thinking he’s Ragnar in his bedroom because he played Skyrim for 2 years in lockdown with a mask on getting jew cum vaccines2020s LARPagans aren’t weird hippiesThey’ve been completely taken over by normie consumers who think going to Viking themed restaurants and paying $100 to eat a “Thor themed steak” after showing their vaxpass to get in is pagan
inshallah b**ware gets shuttered
>>721879841Starfield. You can tell atheists that god is real.
>>721893636Atheist companion gets defensive when someone talks about religion
>>721892719Do you have a thing for asari, though?
>>721879841Colony Ship. The setting is a bunch of christians left earth because it was so degenerate and shitty but life devolved on the fuck long journey and people lost their faith after generations. You have the option to uphold the christian faith and express belief in god.I didn't do that shit of course but its an option I appreciate.
>>721894458Who... M-me? F-for asari? N-no way, they're filthy aliens! I despise them, I despise them all! I c-can't tell alien from an animal!
>>721894538As a Christian I truly appreciated that one, as I recall you were even given the choice to go full vengeful militant Church or a more forgiving and diplomatic approach, really well done but it's not surprising considering it came from the guys who made Age of Decadence, I guess I'm due for another playthrough soon.
>>721894715There's only one asari I am rather fond of, but honestly, out of all the females in the series, I only really like 2, and they're both humans.
>>721881548It is kind of amazing how many Christ cucks say they're based but follow a Jew religion. Hell at least Mormons drastically changed it to allow harems, Whites only in the church, and explicitly states blacks are all cursed by God. I'd take that religion over Judaeo-Christianity any day.
>>721895313At least tell me it's Jack+Traynor.
>>721879841In the Dragon Age The Veilguard if you collect some of Solas memories you can affirm your belief in the maker if you want
>>721895505>TraynorMight as well pick Allers.
>>721895676> neuralslop> probably ashleyfagWe'll talk later.
>>721895848>ashleyfagI only date purebred white women.
>>721896931funny how you use the word "breed" when talking about a barren, infertile "women", anon.
>>721896931> I only date infertile white womenLiberal confirmed.
>>721897407>>721897408iit anon needs to look up a dictionary to find out what purebred means.Also, she's pregnant with my child.And before you ask, yes, this is canon. Mac Walters, while he was still in charge of Mass Effect, said that all LIs can have children with Shepard.
>>721897913Stop pulling pictures from Joker's collection, you idiot. No one buys it. VI girls are not real.
>>721898028I'm gonna enjoy my 3 day ban like Hasan on a Friday. This isn't VI stuff, it's real. And I won't be here to argue with you, so have fun arguing with the wind.
>>721898154You're so pathetic you're not even going to get banned. Just your stupid posts deleted. Even jannies despise you, think about it.
>>721898154>BushExtremely high test
>>721888982Any settings that don't take place on Earth and or have humanity being wiped out by aliens aren't very compatible with Christ. I just look for contradictions and rule the setting out even though I headcanon games often.
>>721879841Henry of Skalitz is a Christian, you can't have him not believe in God. Not sure if that's entirely what you meant, since it's not a choice.
>>721900031>>Any settings that don't take place on Earth and or have humanity being wiped out by aliens aren't very compatible with Christ.I don't think games set outside of Earth are incompatible. And when you say humanity being wiped out, do you mean in the non-viable population type, completely annihilated, or destroyed but with prospects of recovery?
>>721900965Well I have 2 issues with the outside of earth thing/alien implication. For what purpose would God make other intelligent beings (some smarter than us) with their own free will to compete with us in the universe? It seems like an arbitrary issue made to make us struggle more in an already strife fueled universe. The second being issues with things like firmament and how far exactly we're even capable of getting out ourselves, not dooming or anything but I find that the resolution to our story will happen on Earth.As for being wiped out, I really mean any hostile contact with aliens kind of confuse me in how I understand things. I like the idea of Alien life but I don't view it as very compatible with the Gospels, especially if they're aggressive. Sorry for incessant yapping.
>>721889478I'm an atheist cause there is zero chance Genesis is factually true and thats the entire basis for the 3 abrahamic religions.If I'm having any spiritual journey I'm heading towards >respecting the universe itself(pantheism)>respecting the soul in all nature(animism)>gods being somewhat useful mental archetypes whose only power comes from amount of followers and deepness of personal belief(buddhism, jungian psychology)>multiple religious pantheons being true at the same time, majority of world religions branching from earlier proto-religion(omnitheism, polytheism)Basically I'm heading towards Shinto.
>>721888069And what's dog spelled backwards?
>>721889478>it's why they hate christianity the mostBut all Abrahamic religions ban male masturbation, why would that make them hate Christianity more than the rest?
>>721902096Human is doggoDoggo is humanHuman is turtleTurtle is doggo
>>721891602Consider the sort of people who play series like Mass Effect for a moment. Lots of women gamers fall in that sort.
>>721901757In a lot of fantasy RPGs, humans are still God's chosen. Do keep in mind that there may be more than one "God", of course, but what a perceived God can be is one thing. In Might and Magic, for example, we are space travelers that crashed on a world with other beings, and that includes demons and devils and angels. In Dragon Age there are easter eggs of aliens from other Bioware franchises. Also, in the idea that we may find other aliens that may be more powerful than us out there, or even push us to the brink of extinction, isn't that par for the course? Doesn't God often put us against challenges that we are meant to overcome by pushing humanity to its limits? It's not the first time and it won't be the last time. I think it is very biblical in a sense.
>>721898154With the tan, she looks like my highschool math teacher that used to hit on me, and I was too much of a beta to respond.
>>721902579If you are a lady, you're not on 4chan to discuss Mass Effect. You're on 4chan to sell feet pics and shill your onlyfans on /b/.
>>721901946If the universe has a beginning, it itself cannot be an uncaused cause. This means something caused the universe, this also goes for animism. The problem is with these 2 worldviews is that they quite literally miss the forest for the trees, if the 2 grand things you see yourself wanting to be in tune with weren't always there, then they likely won't be here forever.The problem with these 2 ((buddhism, jungian psychology) is that they are fairly good at giving descriptions of things we do and perceive, being very capable at defining our drives and reasons behind it. But again, they are wholly inadequate for determining why you should heed these description or why you should apply them. Then there these (omnitheism, polytheism), which all have different truths being claimed. These dogma contradict each other sometimes in method, and all the time in conclusion. This doesn't make you enlightened, it makes you someone who literally stands for nothing but falls for everything. Picking and choosing convenient opposing truths while adopting none of the real ramifications that follow naturally since you can just switch belief systems for the day. This is no better than believing in nothing.
>>721902664Yes, and? /v/ isn't worthy of seeing my feet, only paypigs and people with good taste in vidya get to see them.
>>721902774Then this is a poor use of your time, as you gain nothing by being here.
>>721901946Also>0 chance Genesis is factually trueWhile simultaneously picking and choosing different parts of foundation stories, belief systems and lifestyle choices based on the thoughts of other equally as "nonsensical" stories as the ones based in Christianity is peak fedora tip.The Genesis accounts for all major causes and as a story perfectly sets up the thousands of years that follow it. I'm very curious to see the evidence you have that debunks it.
>>721902838I enjoy chatting and funposting with fellow anons and it's one of the few places online where no one knows my gender.What do you gain by coming here?
>>721902582Well by incompatible with Christ they can't tell stories that reflect Christianity and tie back to our foundational moral and logical premises. For instance, Lord of the Rings is a very obvious Christian story, but Christ does not exist within it and can't due to how the world is built. I mean the literal God, not a representation of him. For instance, if i'm playing Call of Duty WaW I can naturally assume the world follows the same premises as ours, therefore if Christianity is true the characters and events of the world can be viewed directly through that lens. Also my point isn't that God doesn't expect us to suffer through challenges and strife in life, it's that a lot of that comes from the Enemy and because our world is corrupt. It seems pretty out of character for him to have created other races of free willed creatures to battle us and kill us along side all of our normal existential problems. Again, these stories can be biblical for sure, im just speaking more literally.
>>721900031That’s a pretty specific filter to apply to fiction, but I get the reasoning. If a setting dumps Earth, humanity, and all biblical context, what exactly are you anchoring morality or metaphysics to in that universe? It feels like trying to read a Tolkien book after tearing out every page with Elvish on it. You can still headcanon something like Doom as "biblically accurate demons = literally real," but it always ends up stretching suspension of belief if the story doesn’t tie back to a recognizable spiritual frame. For me at least, the farther it gets from Earth/humanity, the more likely it is to just be someone’s personal philosophy with laser beams strapped on.
>>721903313I get to talk shit about Bioware.
>>721903424>It seems pretty out of character for him to have created other races of free willed creatures to battle us and kill us along side all of our normal existential problems.Then how do you explain the different races of humans that were created? Most never knowing the light of god?
>>721903424>It seems pretty out of character for him to have created other races of free willed creatures to battle usWhat makes you think they are free willed? What makes them more free willed than a horse, or a chicken? Even then, how are they any different a hardship than a plague, or a flood, or famine?
>>721902760>If the universe has a beginning, it itself cannot be an uncaused cause.Uncaused cause is already a stupid argument, I see no reason to add more steps to the Universe's existence, especially any that require existence outside of "everything". It is a fundamental misunderstanding of what "everything" and "nothing" mean, the cause of existence is part of existence because it logically cannot be part of nothing. I don't really care how many layers of reality there are, I won't believe in a anthropomorphic conscious being in the multiverse creating the universe, or one ourside of the multiverse creating that, without good reason, and the bible is one of the worst reasons imaginable.There is nothing contradictory about the universe having a beginning and existing for as long as time exists. I am content with not knowing the origin of the universe. I am unwilling to call the universe itself god or any mechanism that began the universe a deity. I don't see a point.>But again, they are wholly inadequate for determining why you should heed these description or why you should apply them. The only reason to apply them is usefulness within your own life. Buddhism doesn't care how long it takes for every soul to reach enlightenment and break the cycle of reincarnation.>which all have different truths being claimed. These dogma contradict each other sometimes in method, and all the time in conclusion.The truth here would be that the gods are not perfect beings, they have motivations and agendas, they make moves and attempt to spread their influence. In other words large majorities of the dogma are just lies, or maybe truths that apply to smaller areas and populations than the world at large. And the gods themselves are affected by the beliefs of their followers. Which makes it a shame that YHVH managed to wipe out the Egyptian, Canaanite, Greek and Roman, Celtic, and Norse pantheons, as well as major spirits in the Americas, Africa, and Asia.
>>721903731That's a good reason too, ngl.
>>721902579Foids don't discuss games on /v/. They don't even play them the way we do, troon. Something you will never be able to replicate.
>>721902983The evidence that debunks genesis is there was never ever a point in history where humanity was reduced to 2-8 distinct individuals. The garden of eden story is complete myth and so is the worldwide flood. Not to mention how adam and eve even supposedly propagated the species when they had exactly two sons and one murdered the other. Without the garden of eden there is no fall, no original sin to be redeemed through following the covenant with YHVH or accepting the grace of Jesus. Most of genesis is complete bullshit and all you have to do is read it to say "none of this tracks with reality"
>>721903868NTA, but sapience = free will
>>721903504>If a setting dumps Earth, humanity, and all biblical context, what exactly are you anchoring morality or metaphysics to in that universe?>For me at least, the farther it gets from Earth/humanity, the more likely it is to just be someone’s personal philosophy with laser beams strapped onYou put in to words what I was struggling to, thanks. I don't try to do it consciously, it's just very apparent when a series is using something like that as a backdrop for the actors to exist in as opposed to a foundation that ties to the actors.>>721903851>Then how do you explain the different races of humans that were created? Most never knowing the light of god?There are many answers and reasons for this that don't involve>For some reasons while humans have been struggling for thousands of years, a being that their creator has professed immeasurable love for in the form of sacrifice, he one day got bored and went a galaxy over to create the megadeath race that subsists off of eating all organic matter.You can make it make sense in a foundational way, but these aliens always come in the future to end us, well after the death of Christ and into the struggle of humanity against sin.>>721903868>What makes you think they are free willed? What makes them more free willed than a horse, or a chicken? Even then, how are they any different a hardship than a plague, or a flood, or famine?This could be better or worse depending on how you view it, if you rationalized these beings in the format of a final judgement i.e revelations then it can make sense. But if they're just mindless killing automatons dropped in the midst of our struggle for literally 0 reason it seems a bit cruel, no?
>>721904161>adam and eve even supposedly propagated the species when they had exactly two sonsWay to out yourself as someone who hasn't even read the first few chapters of the Bible.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SethMidrashic sources mention they had daughters, too, but Seth is right there in Genesis.
>>721904431You are completely missing the point here, genetic bottlenecks do not allow for population sizes to drop so low. Let alone for it to happen twice. You can say that the races of earth are cursed by god to be diverse, but they could not naturally spread this far between the time of the flood and the modern day. Not to mention that India and China both have histories longer than the 10,000 year geneology of Abraham.
>>721904431>Adam lived 900 years>Seth also lived 900 yearsHint number 1 that genesis is complete bullshit.
>>721879841pre set rpg protags are so fucking dumb part of the reason i despised cyberpunk 2077 and the witcher games
>>721904861They were built different back then.
>>721904161>The evidence that debunks genesis is there was never ever a point in history where humanity was reduced to 2-8 distinct individualsI'm asking for the evidence of this claim right here, believe it or not, you making a second claim does not actually prove your first.>>721903880> I see no reason to add more steps to the Universe's existenceThis is you now intentionally ignoring scientific evidence we have right now. The universe is expanding from a single point, and using spectroscopic analysis we were able to gauge that. The implications of this means that there was a time where universe did not exist.>The cause of existence is part of existence because it logically cannot be part of nothingThis is a blatant contradiction and any decently researched astrophysicist would laugh at this argument. We operate off of certain logical principles, and one of the key ones we use to determine what is and isn't is the Law of Non-contradiction. What you are asserting breaks that law to a T> I don't really care how many layers of reality there are, I won't believe in a anthropomorphic conscious being in the multiverse creating the universe, or one outside of the multiverse creating that, without good reason, and the bible is one of the worst reasons imaginableJust opinionated babble, no different than someone who refuses to eat vegetable because they don't enjoy the taste. How about we focus on why's instead of your personal taste on how existence SHOULD be?>The only reason to apply them is usefulness within your own life. Buddhism doesn't care how long it takes for every soul to reach enlightenment and break the cycle of reincarnation.Yet Buddhism makes its own claims about existence and it' purpose that contradict yours and the ones below.>In other words large majorities of the dogma are just lies, or maybe truths that apply to smaller areas and populations than the world at largeTruths are truths, they cannot apply to one and not another. Contradiction.
>>721904272>>For some reasons while humans have been struggling for thousands of years, a being that their creator has professed immeasurable love for in the form of sacrifice, he one day got bored and went a galaxy over to create the megadeath race that subsists off of eating all organic matter.>You can make it make sense in a foundational way, but these aliens always come in the future to end us, well after the death of Christ and into the struggle of humanity against sin.Sounds like your thinking along the lines of the xenomorphs from Aliens, rather than Mass Effect species. Why wouldn't G0d make Salarians? Or Turians?
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>>721904272>if they're just mindless killing automatons dropped in the midst of our struggle for literally 0 reason it seems a bit cruel, no?Maybe yes, maybe no. They could be there to help us the repercussions of the incredible power we've been entrusted with, and the potential yet to achieve. Lessons can be hard, cruel even, but is it any less cruel than a parent seeing their child wither and die to disease? The principal would be the same. Or the aliens need not all be there for evil. Some could be helpful, guiding even, in a sense. Allies can be found beyond the chosen, as well.
>>721904738>Not to mention that India and China both have histories longer than the 10,000 year geneology of Abraham.I'll bite, what historical records do those cultures have that are over 10000 years old?
>>721905179Genesis 1, why would a Being that toiled over the creation of every aspect of earth, ending it off with beings created directly in his likeness, beings that were loved so much that after he created Heaven and Earth, and after those being betrayed him he died for them, create salamander people 2 galaxies away. It sounds like something some hack author would write as a spin-off in order to fill in time between major books.>>721905470>They could be there to help us the repercussions of the incredible power we've been entrusted with, and the potential yet to achieveThis was the purpose of Jesus btw, and what we were told to do with our incredible gifts can be summarized as such. Love your neighbor as you love yourself.>>721905298Again, this assumption only works if God ISN'T real. This, believe it or not, is another claim. One that contradicts my claim yes, but a claim. What is being asked for is evidence that supports that human beings were subject to this, something you nor anyone has been able to prove. That's the cool part about history, everything past a certain point is just assumptions on assumptions, and the people who understand that the least are the ones who post a graph and think they've solved religion.
>>721888069huh? It's eye magic
>>721905168>The universe is expanding from a single point, and using spectroscopic analysis we were able to gauge that. The implications of this means that there was a time where universe did not exist.That doesn't follow from that at all. You have no idea how long the universe could have existed as a singularity, and if time is a property of the universe rather than being independent from it, then the thought that at second 0 the universe existed means that there was never a time where the universe did not exist, hence the universe always existed. Claiming there is time outside of time and existence outside of existence is logically contradictory over the concepts of existence and non-existence.If you divide reality into "things that exist" and "the absence of existent things" then the cause of the universe would have to be in the former category. It does not matter if you call it supernatural, if you try to put it in the latter category then you are making the claim that your cause doesn't exist. >Yet Buddhism makes its own claims about existence and it' purpose that contradict yours and the ones below.I'm not a buddhist though I'm an atheist.>Truths are truths, they cannot apply to one and not another. Contradiction.Then we would need to figure out what is true and what is not. The religious person's need to fanatically believe whatever is told to them is dumb.>Just opinionated babble, no different than someone who refuses to eat vegetable because they don't enjoy the taste. How about we focus on why's instead of your personal taste on how existence SHOULD be?Uh huh. Still not proof of or argument for your god by the way.
EDI looks so ridiculous in her stripperific outfit. I always cringed a bit everytime I saw her, especially in combat. I get it was 2012 and they were adding le segz to attract a certain audience, but still. It was cringe even back then.
>>721905842G0d is all-powerful and omnipotent. It takes him no more effort to create two sapient species or twenty or ten thousand than it takes for him to create one.>beings created directly in his likenessThat doesn't mean that mankind physically looks like G0d. That means he bestowed on us free will, something even angels lack.
>>721905508https://archaeologymag.com/2024/01/advanced-material-culture-45000-years-ago-shiyu-site/
>>721879841Cyberpunk 2077.
>>721906483Stone tools are a very very far cry from actual recorded history. Try again.
>>721880020https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njS58BL0u5w
>>721905508>historical records in chinaLol. China openly admits that their history is fan fiction dramas.
>>721906204>You have no idea how long the universe could have existed as a singularityIt doesn't matter how long it was, what matters is that there was a before and an after. Which means something was acted upon it to get to it that point. >time is a property of the universe rather than being independent from itWe know it's independent from the universe as the universe isn't eternal...>en the thought that at second 0 the universe existed means that there was never a time where the universe did not exist, hence the universe always existedThis is not how the word "eternal" works, which is why I accused you of making things up to fit your worldview instead of looking at evidence objectively. IF the universe was eternal, that means there was NEVER a point is which the universe was not. If the universe has a BEGINNING it CAN'T be ETERNAL. Words have meanings, anon.>I'm an atheistThen you make perfect sense, you are consciously avoiding making sense and ignoring key logical laws because you won't like the implication.>The religious person's need to fanatically believe whatever is told to them is dumb.You fundamentally have no idea what you're talking about.>Still not proof of or argument for your god by the way.You claimed certain things to be true, things that contradict each other. I'm not here to prove my God, I'm here to call you a hypocrite. The only problem I find now is that you know you're a hypocrite, but you're too afraid to concede.>>721906472>G0d is all-powerful and omnipotent. It takes him no more effort to create two sapient species or twenty or ten thousand than it takes for him to create one.This is why I have having conversations here. When did I say he COULD NOT, I said why would he. It is a logical gap in the God's character, something you don't understand so I don't know why you're being so insistent.
>>721906602Evidence of human existence from longer than 10000 years old is more than enough to debunk the geneological claim that Adam was the first human. You can make a counter claim that the devil or god put that evidence there to test us and I won't believe you. Thats the end of the conversation.
>>721906790>This is why I have having conversations here. When did I say he COULD NOT, I said why would he. It is a logical gap in the God's character, something you don't understand so I don't know why you're being so insistent.Why wouldn't he?And you never answered my first question - why would G0d create other races on the planet Earth who didn't know his grace? Yet he did, so creating more on other planets isn't much of a leap.
>>721906790>We know it's independent from the universe as the universe isn't eternal...>>en the thought that at second 0 the universe existed means that there was never a time where the universe did not exist, hence the universe always existed>This is not how the word "eternal" works, which is why I accused you of making things up to fit your worldview instead of looking at evidence objectively. IF the universe was eternal, that means there was NEVER a point is which the universe was not. If the universe has a BEGINNING it CAN'T be ETERNAL. Words have meanings, anon.Prove that theres such a thing as eternal and that time is separate from the universe and not a dimension of it. If you try to use the multiverse as an argument then you'll have to prove that 1. The multiverse exists. 2. Time is separate from that as well as the multiverse would be part of existence not non-existence. 3. How your religion applies to the multiverse.
>>721907228Who says Adam was less than 10000 years ago?How reliable are radiometric techniques? And as someone else pointed out, you can't trust the CCP, but I know there are other signs of ancient human existence outside of China so I'll pretend you're asking about one of those instead.
>>721907375>Why wouldn't he?Yeah this conversation is over lol>>721907491>Prove every concept that has been dreamt up or you can't argue with mePsueds man. If you can't understand the simple logical premise of an uncaused cause and then need me to explain ever concept that we're talking about then this is pointless.
>>721879841You can pray to Jesus and summon Santa in the second South Park game, does that count?
>>721908621>Yeah this conversation is over lolI didn't expect you to just fold and concede like that.I wonder what sort of weird made up personality for G0d you've got in your head.
>>721908621I don't believe in eternity, you do. I believe time is part of the fabric of reality and that reality is limited to the existent universe. I don't know jack shit about the multiverse, I don't think theres much we will ever know about that. I certainly don't believe in timeless spaceless all powerful beings who somehow exist without time and space and can somehow act outside the laws of causality that are intrinsically linked to the existence of time. That a being existing outside time and space but theres actually eternity still in this meaningless nothingness void would therefore not be the uncaused cause because it would be dependent on time existing to exist itself and perform actionsI believe time compresses like space does and that there are no true infinities. That time can have a finite beginning and go on for an eternity by human standards.That we don't know what state the universe was in before the big bang or even if the big bang is actually true or if our math breaks down there for a reason. God did it and this old sandnigger jew book explains exactly how and why is not a satisfactory answer. I think you fundamentally do not understand the limits of human knowledge or the nature of time and space and causality and existence vs non-existence in the slightest.
>>721907942>Who says Adam was less than 10000 years ago?Mostly fundamentalists because I don't actually bother doing the math myself here, but there is biblically an unbroken geneology from adam to noah to abraham to moses to or at least contemporaries of jesus. With not necessarily dates but ages. Its a much shorter period than science dates the universe, the earth, life, the human species, and human archeological evidence. I could understand the argument that >a day to god is blank years to us>other humans existed besides adam and eve they were just the ones in the garden who fell>the global flood wasn't actually global it was regional>original sin is a metaphor for human knowledgeOr whatever, but it doesn't make me believe the bible.
Never understood people's obsession with the bible and Christianity as the one real religion in a sea of fakes and false prophets.>but the evidenceThe evidence to which only christians have had access for centuries? Like the books written in languages that most common people could not read or speak? Like the relics nobody's allowed to see much less interact with? Like the historical records that were written and kept by members of the clergy?The fact of the matter is that Christians not only are the most likely to have falsified historical and religious records, they are the ones who would gain the most from it by far. I'll believe the bible when angels and flaming bushes start showing up again, or when fire tornadoes turn faggots into salt.
>>721880020>Todd is a devout catholic.Lmao. Dude sins non stop. He's faker Christian than Trump
>>721879841I am quite surprised how much replies your thread got. Also surprised these uppity mods have allowed it to stay without deleting it.From what I remember I can't think of any other RPG that does this. And if there is it definitely didn't allow for a back and forth dialogue like ME1 did. Probably a quick mention in any other game and then off to the main quest.
>>721910901The six days of creation, at least, were not meant to be read as literal 24-hour days.
>>721881656Those aliens also have religions of their own so you lose again atheistranny
>>721911552I mentioned that in my post. The point where it bevomes a problem is the existence of humans. Saying>the bible says adam lived for 900 years but in reality it was closer to 10,000 years Makes genesis even more unbelievable. Current scientific consensus is that homo sapiens came into existence 300,000 years ago with other homonid species existing prior. If we are to try and square adam as the first human the timeline doesn't add up with years consistent with what we currently think of as years. And I don't believe the claim that archeology is fake.
>>721879841While playing borderlands 4 I learned that Ashley is voiced by a Black Queen.Now I understand my hate for her, only a Black Queen can larp as a true white gigastacy.
>>721913013>SSSpectre
>>721910901Catholics dont believe that Adam is 100000BC or whatever.
>>721880867i wrote up a long angry post calling you a retard for saying atheism would have been instant death in medieval europe because i had thought that atheism, while vanishingly rare, would have been tolerated the same way all sorts of things are tolerated which are technically sins. (like for example homosexuality was openly practiced in medieval russia). i thought that action explicitly against atheists would have been limited to particular times and places.but i wasn't completely sure and i wanted to be able to give examples so i did some reading and i was wrong. atheism essentially did not exist ever at any point all throughout medieval europe. we have no evidence of it. plenty of people were not particularly devout, but actual denial of the existence of god simply didn't happen.i think i was mixing things up because i know in ancient greek people were openly atheistic and i thought that was a continuous throughline through history, extant but ignored. but nope.
>>721910901Fundies argue for a 6k yesr old earth.
>>721909408Matthew 7:6
>>721910374>I don't believe in eternity, you doThis is why we can't converse. Eternity is a concept, you can't believe in eternity. Things either have beginnings or they don't. If something has a beginning, it has to have been created. If it doesn't have a beginning, it cannot be created. You are claiming the universe came to be but also pushing the fact that by the laws of logic, something would have to act upon it to be created. If you don't believe in eternity, then the universe is created and exists within time. Eternity is the concept that would need to be rationalized for ANYTHING existing outside of time. You having personal definitions for words that exist that mean things within reality does not actually change what you're saying. Something can not come from nothing and it never has. No on has any evidence of something coming from nothing. For me to be athiest, I would have to not only believe something came from nothing, but also for no reason and without anything acting on it. Its ideologically suicidal claim.
>>721917018Nta but even if you accepted “something can’t come from nothing” as logic all you’re doing is going to the next turtle down
>>721915973Not him but you can't be Christian and not believe in it imo. Evolution in the darwinian sense disputes the claim that Man sinning is what introduced death into the world. So in my opinion, theologically, you can't hold a worldview that denotes millions of years of death and survival before humanity.>>721917195>all you’re doing is going to the next turtle down?
>>721917018>something cannot come from nothing>eXcEpT gOd ThOuGh >so if god is supposed to be the first thing that exists why can't it be the universe itself>NUH UH IT HAS TO EXIST OUTSIDE OF TIME AND SPACE AND EXIST FOREVER EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NO TIME OUTSIDE OF TIME AND BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
>>721917350This is why I can't take you seriously lol. Something cannot come from nothing IF it was created. If it wasn't created and cannot end it is eternal. If something exists outside of time i.e a Creator Deity, they would have no beginning or end. I laid out the steps in the paragraph and didn't connect them intentionally to see how you would respond, and it's very clear that you have no stake in a genuine discussion. You're just a shitflinger, and not a very bright one at that.
>>721917350>the universeCont. Because the universe has a beginning you unlearned baboon. The thing we figured out 30 years ago. If the universe has a starting date, then it's not eternal, which was the biggest dismay of atheists in the 20th century. You don't know this, or anything for that matter. Incapable of following logical laws, unable to grasp simple concepts and types like an animal. This is how I knew you were an athiest, anon. If you have any further questions I suggest Google as a solid start.
>>721917350>>721918079100 years ago*
>>721915039You mean the prosperous and advanced civilizations that Christians took over after converting or slaughtering the original inhabitants? Asians are also not Christian and they're doing fine.
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SMTBut you didn't play that one because you're a gay westoid
>>721915910good post anon
>>721880867I'm sure plenty of people that got a taste of medieval warfare or life in general came to believe there was no God, but they wouldn't say it out loud
>>721917816>if it was created it cannot come from nothing>i will assume the universe is created>I will assume that god is not>if something exists outside of time the blah>nevermind that existing outside of time is a meaningless word salad You are correct that I have no interest in continuing this discussion, we figured out several posts ago that you have no idea how time and existence work.>>721918079eternity is not a necessary attribute for anything pal. we don't even know that the big bang is the beginning of the universe, it's just as far backwards into the past as we can predict, which is why you have scientists hypothesizing about universes being bubbles in the multiverse or existing inside of black hole singularities or eternally rebounding after a big crunch or etc. physics breaks down at the big bang. Nothing about a universe starting assumes That a conscious all powerful being brought it into existence. calling whatever natural law that necessitates existence existing god is entirely an assumption.I simply have no reason to believe you. We disagree on the premises of the argument. I admit that I do not know everything and you think you know what exists outside of time and space, when the concept of "outside of time and space" is complete nonsense. there isn't anything outside of existence, nothingness is not a thing.
>>721918681>You mean the prosperous and advanced civilizations that Christians took over after converting or slaughtering the original inhabitants?Black cannibals who run with spears towards machine guns were nether prosperous or advanced
>>721919465He's talking about The Roman Empire.
>>721913656kek
>>721918971As I've stated twice now, my intention in talking to you was never to prove God. It was to call out your delusional hypocrisy. You enjoy having your cake and eating too, but your framework won't last if you use like that. I never once told you that God is real, nor did I tell you to assume it. I said your posturing about "the universe" is drivel and would sound like drivel to anyone learned on the subject for the last century. The universe as we understand it, began. This is indisputable given the evidence we have at the moment, and if new evidence arrives that contradicts this then we can talk about that later. You are ignoring this consensus because your worldview is insecure and doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
>>721920238I’m not that anon and I don’t see what your objection actually is to what he said, he is right Big Bang is not asserted to be “the start of existence itself”
>>721915910Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
>>721916594I appreciate you calling me a pearl, but you really shouldn't look at yourself as a swine.
>>721881656You bring up an interesting point, it would be interesting if more games/movies tackled this, like what happens if we find aliens more advanced that us? Do we pretend that they were the angels/demons the bible talks about? Do we go full 40k because they're not made in God's image, therefore they're evil?
>>721920238>The universe as we understand it, began. This is indisputable given the evidence we have at the moment,This is neither indisputable nor does it mean anything about anything besides exactly what it says.
Gr8 thread>>721888021I don't remember a pool
>>721911960I've run out of things to say, so have a (you) and my concession for today.
>>721919465But the Greeks and Romans were, as were Egyptians, as were the moors, as were Asians and as were the Aztecs and Mayan and Incas, unless you believe a civilization with complex social structures, calendars, recorded tradition, art and gigantic monuments that have lasted for centuries is not advanced or prosperous.It might shock you to know that the pre-christian world wasn't all Africans and Australian abos living in mud huts eating dirt.
