What is the average profile of people who choose the Maelle ending?1) people who don't understand the story and choose Maelle for various trivial reasons (she's cute and kind etc.)2) People who think that escaping reality is a good thing despite the real-life consequences. Not to mention the fact that Verso is imprisoned against his will and didn't want this life "I don't want this life... Help me..." 3) Other reasons
>>721903245I chose it because escapism is how I operate in real life and I wanted to be true to my character and see what the game would say about it. Didn't turn out as bad as I thought although it seems clearly meant to be the worse of the 2 endings.
>>721903245Ironically if you do not understand why people pick Maelle's ending, you did not understand the game.It's purposely a difficult choice by design. If you do not understand why, you either watched a playthough, or have extremely low IQ.
>>721903245>he fell for the Indian scammercaptcha: PAAAY4G
>>721903245>american audience first contact with an european production>it ends in predictable disaster because americans just can't understand nuance, pain, or have any capacity for empathy>they wanted to end it Joss Whedon style with Maelle saying 'For those who come after!' and stabbing the Paintress, then having a quip and going back to Disney land as victorsThe director is a depressed french pro-DMC player. He knows how life is.There is no reason to want to live in this fucking world. Fuck off, Marche. Live fucking sucks for most people. It was not made for us. Maelle acts as a surrogate for us. She got crippled and burned. Her family treats her like shit. She is still a woman and probably could become the pity wife to some painter, but players identify with her suffering and know that if it happened to them personally, their lives would be irreversibly fucked. Escapism sometimes is the best life you can get because this fucking world is utter disgusting shit and we wish we had never been born.Paint me in the canvas and turn me into chroma, I am ready.
>>721903559I saw, I read and after careful consideration, there was no valid reason to choose Maelle's ending.
>>721904259>an european>an
>>721903245I chose it because I want to fuck over the D*ssendre family, aka the stand-in for Demiurge. Creating life and then playing with it like Greek gods is monstrous.>b-but they're not rea-Cogito ergo sum. Painted people showed capacity for joy, grief, sorrow, rage. Even real Renoir admits that what he's doing is basically genocide, it's that he cares about his family more. You'd kill people too if it meant protecting your wife and child.>Verso is imprisoned against his will and didn't want this life "I don't want this life... Help me..."Verso is just as real (ot not real) as every other painted being. Why does he get special treatment?
>>721903245>it's perfectly fine for Verso to be a selfish asshole and impose his views to everyone else's detriment>but Maelle is bad for doing itIf you don't take both endings as equal you are a midwit and I don't consider you to have any kind of media literacy. They're literally opposites of each other. It's the name of the fucking game. Clair Obscur. Nigger
>>721904484The canvas only exists thanks to his soul
The only choice was verso because the painted reality isn’t real and can very easily be remade, Renoir can’t remake his same family even if he fucks another chick. His wife and burned daughter are both addicted to their little fantasy and it’s going to kill them, Renoir was…a good dad…Also maelle fuckers, say she stays in the painted world till she’s an old woman, develops dementia and turns the painted world into a hellscape. Now what? Can we blow up the painted world then?
Verso robbed everyone of the golden ending and we're left with two different flavors of tragic, "bad" endings. Even the sliver of real Verso's soul would have been happy to continue painting if his family wasn't using the canvas as a battle ground over it.I like Maelle's ending more, because of the bookends of the cycle continuing down to using a French version of the title theme.
>>721904305Well then, refer to the below:>or have extremely low IQ.
>>721904615And you only exist thanks to your parents. Should you be sacrificed for their benefit? Retard
>>721904489>If you don't take both endings as equal you are a midwitMore like a retard. A midwit should be able to understand this. It's not some super special hidden meaning. The authors pretty much scream in your face "BOTH ENDINGS ARE BAD".
I choose Maelle because Maelle is a better character and I didn't know how hard the fight would be. Who gives a fuck about the story
>>721904712I was being polite but yes. People who take Verso's ending as the good ending are the most basic bitch normalfag NPC retards known to man.
>>721903245I didn't "choose" any ending. I watched and enjoyed both.
>>721903245I chose Maelle's ending because I used Maelle and didn't use Verso. After watching the first cutscene, it was clear her ending is the bad ending.
Stop quoting papa!!!!!!
>>721903245Everyone can see that Maelle's ending turns grayscale at the end, but most people miss that Verso's ending is locked at 24 FPS the whole time. Verso's ending is hardly "a good ending." Do you honestly think that Maelle is happy when you see her there? Especially when we see her parents hugging each other but not her? That's not even getting into what happens tot the canvas people.Verso got it right at the end when he said that they're all hypocrites. It's one sibling trying to force the other to live a life that they don't want to live either way.
I would absolutely choose to live in the delusion if given the chance, that being said I chose verso's ending because Renoir is the only truly logical person in there
>>721903245The council of being right made this highly scientific graph. Genociding an entire world and sending a woman who can't breathe without being into agony into suicide is not that great.
>>721904660>Verso robbed everyone of the Golden endingNot just Verso. The entire family contributes to that due to their own issues, Alicia included.
>>721905340the genocide occurs regardless
>>721905261You can see Gustave beckoning Maelle to join them as they're fading away in Verso's ending so I took it as implying Maelle not being able to handle her new life and so either getting lost in a new painted recreation of Lumiere she makes until death or she just straight up kills herself. I do not know how anyone could look at Verso's ending and go "yeah she'd get over it and lead a happy and fulfilling life".
>Maelle's ending doesn't end with a thunderous roar as Renoir re-enters the painting with Clea to pull her out once and for allbaka
>>721903245It's people mainly projecting into Maelle herself. Most definitely think that Maelle is saving the people, but all she does is just delaying their doom to the next in canvas generation. Even if you point that out, they're just like>It's in 50 years who caresLiterally boomer tier philosophy.
>>721905375Well sure, the conflict wouldn't have happened to begin with if the Dessendres could actually communicate with each other in a healthy way.However, it does feel like the key points of Verso not saving Gustave and not giving Maelle painted Alicia's letter were what made the two endings we got unavoidable.We'll (ideally) never know for sure, but I believe those influences could have made way for a happy ending both within and outside of the canvas.Even in Gustave and Lune's argument regarding finding Maelle, we get:>We've always said that the future of Lumiere was more important than any individual life. Do you still believe that?>I hope I do.I don't think Gustave would have been on Maelle's side regarding staying in the canvas if he were present for everything that happened. As for what he actually knows in Maelle's ending or if he's even the same instead of an idealized copy from Maelle's memory like the painted Dessendres, who knows?
I would rape Alicia
>>721903245There is literally nothing wrong with escapism
I'm going to Alicia
>>721905445It's possible in Verso's ending, but there's ZERO chance of her recovering in her ending.
>>721904615Painted Verso is just a copy of real Verso. The fragment of Verso's soul is that kid in the painting nexus. Not painted Verso.
>>721906845No? There's absolutely chance for her to come to terms with her grief in time within the painting and then leave of her own violition>h-hur it won't happen causeIt's just as likely to happen as Maelle being happy in Verso's. Any actual argument against this objective fact is dishonest.
>>721903245I only care about Gustav
>>721906969Dishonest cope. Talk to your parents.
>>721907025>n-no u>not a single actual argument to speak ofYou know I'm right and you can't admit it. You lost.
>>721903245When I got to the choice it was clear in my mind that Verso choice was correct, but figured I'd go Maelle ending because I was selfish and just wanted to see how the girls were doing if Maelle kept the canvas alive.When I saw the ending it was like jesus fucking christ this is the bad ending.Maelle ending can't be justified.
>>721907071Not playing this game with you. She's not going to resolve her trauma by hiding from it and making shit worse for everyone around her, inside and outside the painting. You chose the weak literal cope ending and you're still coping because you're weak.
>>721907182You're not playing it because you can't play it because you don't have a single actual argument. There is no absolute in anything you're saying. It's just as likely for Maelle to leave the painting on her own in her own ending as it is for her to get over her grief and pain and learn to lead a happy life in Versos. Or rather they're equally UNlikely because both ends are as bad as each other.
>>721903245Why didnt she unpaint the sad painted verso and create a new happy verso instead?
>>721907385You're lying to yourself, the same way she's lying to herself. Good bye.
>>721907482>f-fuck I've got nothing RUN AWAYPussy
>>721903245I am depressed and I can't stand others being happy so I always go for the ending that results in most widespread suffering
>clea>sculpts>verso>musicswoooooooooow
>>721907637Hello Maelle.
>>721903245Verso deserves his fate. He tried to end the world twice. As for Maelle, looking at her face she seems to understand. She just can´t let go regardless of that understanding, she is 16. You have to consider that even if she was capable of coping she is always going to be held responsible for what happened. That, like the scars, is never going away. They´ll never be able to fully look past it. Not even Renoir. Verso cries he doesn´t want to live as he does, well, the same is true for Alicia. I´m not saying she is right, just saying they are all equally selfish and wrong. I mean, maybe if the painting wasn´t under threat she wouldn´t have to take such a extreme path. Renoir is not inherently wrong but his decisions are as self centered as those of the women. His whole reason for doing what he does is that he can´t deal with the pain all on his own. Yes, dealing with loss together is probably by far the healthier choice as it´s not self destructive but by threatening the painting he is forcing the others to take extreme measures. Like, if he had listened to Alicia when she regained herself she could have exited the painting and came back later without risks. The whole situation is proof that nobody is really thinking straight. They are all imperfect solutions because they are all broken and in pain.
>>721907427Because she's a selfish and traumatized little girl. In her ending, she literally pretends that it's the real IRL Verso, not the painted version of him. It's not even subtle, she just retreats into fantasy and madness in her ending, and then forces painted Verso to play along with her painter powers. You can tell how depressed and broken he is and there's nothing her can do about it, he lives in a world ruled by an irrational god that won't let him die and forces him to behave.
>>721905340She's a paintress, she can fuck off to other paintings to escape the cripple life, so that arguement falls flat. They should have made it that she loses her powers once she leaves versos painting, now there would have been a conflict.
people who pick verso ending are the same kind of people who spared their uncle at the end of tsushimatrue kino is born from pain, misery and suffering
>>721903245Maelle ending's pure unfiltered kino. this is no longer about how I feel. no more roleplaying. characters will drive themselves into madness and I'm now just an audience. At first, I went with verso's because it makes sense, because It's a good ending, because I wanted them to. then a realization, we're literally Maelle. (you) want a good ending. (you) are twisting the world as you see fit. do you really think a painted person can stop a literally god incarnate? It doesn't make any sense anymore!! BUT WE WANT TO. I WANT TO. I WANT A GOOD ENDING. but no.. every verso's ending is just a maelle inside... pathetic and hypocrite. It insists upon itself
>>721904259>The director is a depressed french pro-DMC player. He knows how life is.oh no, not the hardship of a wealthy millionaire making his dream game with daddy's money, literaly pic related
>>721908485based take
>>7219032453 is people who don't give a fuck about her antagonist family and care more about the characters you've spent the whole game with.
>>721904864>>721905013based, the story is for teenagers
>>721906892I don't know if my opinion is special or not, but Painted Verso is 100 times more legitimate than everything else, in the painting or outside of it. Even if Maelle says "You are you" and Verso knows it, it's still Verso in fact. It's the same guy, same way of thinking, etc. + the child who paints is Verso's soul.If he thinks the real Verso wouldn't want that, it's because he knows it.
Sympathy with beings having their lives played with by gods who don't consider their lives or their world worth preserving for their own sake.Sympathy with a girl who just doesn't want to live as a cripple in a miserable family situation.
>>721905406As long as they can be repainted, they're never truly gone.
>>721903245If painted people aren't real, Verso's suffering doesn't matterIf painted people are real, then genociding millions for one selfish crybaby is absurdMaelle deserves a happy life and so do the people of Lumiere
>>721908456Exactly wrong. Verso ending is the same as killing the uncle. Accepting the necessary pain and sacrifice instead of doing the "nice" thing that causes more suffering.
>>721908825That world is doomed either way. Maelle ending just makes it take longer and get more fucked up before the end.
>>721909625Maelle's ending sure as hell doesn't cause more suffering you absolute retard
>>721909624Based and truth nuke
>>721909708>the world will end one day, so we may as well just end it now, deliberately.
>>721905589It's almost like Renoir is not a terrible person and accepts that destroying the last thing that makes his child happy is not right, and knows the time has come to let her choose her own life (or make her own mistakes)
>>721909736It clearly does you stupid faggot. Not just for her and her family either, but also for everyone in the painting. She gets them maybe another 50 years, tops, and shit is already getting worse. Her mother went insane after not much longer than that, and it shows that Maelle is already losing it. Not to mention how everyone in the painting is ALREADY FUCKING DEAD so she's just making a new batch of lower-quality people, because she's not as skilled a painter as her mother, that's why everyone is mostly colorless in her ending.You need to pay more attention to shit before you open your mouth and say stupid things.>>721909850That's not the point at all. Once again Maellefags prove to be irrational liars who just make shit up to suit their warped perceptions.
>>721909624Emotional slaves to a mentally ill goddess is not happines.
>the piano ending is supposed to make you feel pity for le poor wholesome chungus verso who only wanted to genocide an entire continent so he could kill himself in the process and is forced to play the heckin' piano, the horror!!>in reality it's not a harsh enough punishment, he should be strung up by his balls and tortured within an inch of his painted life for the rest of time
>>721909964If any painted people are unhappy, they can individually kill themselves, it's not your choice to say "I'm sure these people are probably, maybe, unhappy so should all of them should be mass genocided"You are a psychopathic subhuman
>>721909995There is never any indication that she enslaves anyone but Verso
>>721903245It's not about I, a healthy young white male would choose, but Maelle, a literal cripple living with grief and guilty would choose. The choice was easy.
>>721909964Maelle family resents her and wishes she was dead. She is a disappointment to her family, whether deserved or not, and the best thing she can do is bury herself in escapism which is a win-win, she's happy and her family is happy to have her out of their hair.
>>721903245>3) Other reasonsI chose it because I never used Verso in battle
>>721909995Only one person is enslaved and he deserves it (and far worse)
Gustave deserves a full game
>gustave death :(((>genociding millions for one crybaby :DDWhy are versofags like this?
>>721909995That's for each of them to decide individually.
I chose Maelle ending to see Verso's gigachad profile
>>721906793Rape is more pure.
>>721910489Because hes handsome. Check out all the women ending reactions in youtube, genociding the world in a heartbeat, just because the guy is dreamy.
I chose Maelle ending because I want to fuck her
>>721903245>choose Maelle for various trivial reasons (she's cute and kind etc.)I did this except applied to Renoir for Verso's ending.
Why are people so weird about this. I don't get it. It seems like a loud minority is aggressively trying to shift the common consensus away from what is presented in the game.
>>721910395Charlie Cox is too expensive for a full game
>>721903245Being non-white.
I didn't do much of the optional content lategame, and I honestly don't feel like it. I have a question.>What was the point of the yearly gommage?>What happens when it hits 0? Aline dies? Writers invade?
>>721913613The gommage was the opposite of what people thought it was. It wasn't people of a certain age getting blipped every year. Renoir was the one causing it and Aline was protecting everyone inside but her strength was weakening and so every year more and more people couldn't be protected and got taken out by Renoir who wanted to erase the canvas to force Aline out. So when it hit zero there would simply be nobody left and Aline wouldn't have a reason to stay in the painting and would eventually leave.
>>721913613As the paintress got weaker, Renoir was able to destroy her oldest paintings, she was only able to write the number on the monolith to warn them. The less people, less chroma, weaker paintress, easier to kick her out of the painting.
>>721908485She’s a really shitty paintress, painted things can defeat her easily.
>>721913613>What happens when it hits 0?Aline gets kicked out of the painting and Renoir erases the canvas, I guess.
I love E33 threads, they're an endless source of entertainment
>>721910489If stopping Maelle from making/remaking people counts as a genocide, then you intrinsically kill more by letting her stay. Otherwise she could make untold millions in unknowable numbers of canvasses. Otherwise you’re killing two people, a handful of Grandis, a good chunk of Gestral, and letting two people die on their terms.
>>721906793there is when it destroys you and everyone around you
>>721910176You missed the point, again. They already got genocided. Maelle ending makes a whole new batch of people, of lower quality, to be ruled over by an irrational and traumatized goddess for the sole purpose of suiting her escapist fantasies.
>>721913991Why didnt she write "Hey dumbasses, im trying to help you, the real threat is under the monolith"
>>721914569She revived them, they are not completely perfect, but by the end she is nearing her mother's power
>>721910176>He would throw his whole family to the dogs for the sake of people that already hate himUhhh Maellefags?
>>721914835It's not revival, it's copying. They're dead, she just made more that kind of look like them but aren't the same. The only ones who actually got revived are the party members (besides Gustave because he died a long time ago), because she could "capture their chroma" before it went back into the lifestream or whatever. Everyone else is brand new.
>>721903245>3) other reasonsPeople who actually paid attention to the story long enough to realize all of the painted people are more or less real, have souls, emotions, are sentient, and deserve to keep living. The entire reason Maelle can even "bring them back" is because all of their chroma (ie their souls and all of the information about them) still exists inside of the painting.
>>721914807Because she was going insane, like Maelle will. She literally thought that painted Verso was real Verso, even though she's the one who painted him.
>>721915003She literally grabbed Sciel and Lune’s chroma. Even when dealing with dead expeditioners whose chroma was completely trapped, she couldn’t recreate them as anything but attack dogs. How would she bring back Pierre, a man she hardly knew? Well she’d fabricate him. Gustave’s chroma dissipated a long time ago, you get a new gustave from Maelle’s viewpoint. Same with Sophie.
Clea is the real hero of the story. While everyone is playing out their family dramas in a painting and dealing with their trauma in various unhealthy ways, Clea is out there defending the family IRL and getting actual revenge for Verso's death. And her work is obviously the most important because if the writers attack again and burn down the rest of the mansion, not only will the Lumiere painting be lost, but so will every other painting. How many worlds is that? A lot.
>>721915205>Gustave’s chroma dissipated a long time agocitation needed. There is no evidence to suggest that chroma just disappears from the painting.
>>721903245Maelle is for soicucks Verso is for logical thinkers
>>721915369It doesn't disappear, it just gets mixed into the greater whole. That was the whole battle between Renoir and Aline, he was gradually isolating her from the greater pool of chroma (like magic paint I guess) to weaken her over time so he could defeat her and bring her back to reality.
>>721915369Chroma is literally paint. It’s in the canvas, but now it’s just raw and able to be utilized for any purpose. When expeditioners died before the Nevron solution, they just had their chroma go back to Aline for her to paint something new. That new thing wouldn’t have the character of the dead person, it would just be new.
>>721915289It's kind of the same story as Painted Verso, she's trying to get an outcome that's good but it's clear she's just using it as a coping mechanism first and foremost and is just as dysfunctional as the rest of them
Since the game refuses to tell me whether the fucking painted people have free will or a mere facsmile, the decision is based on incomplete information.Also Verso is a whiny fag and I did it just to troll him. Yeah, play the piano, butt monkey!
>>721915763You probably don’t have free will, anon. Sorry to tell you this. How could the painted have something that painters cannot possess?
>>721915763All the people are already dead in either ending, so it's a moot point.
>Maelle>Alicia>Malicia>maliceCoincidence? You decide!
>>721903245>3) Other reasonsI hate Verso's gameplay. But yeah his ending is objectively the only acceptable outcome.
>>721915763They have some level of free will I think, but it's clear they're guided somewhat given how every party member is an allegory for the family in some way
>>721915289I don't get the Writers part.They killed Verso because of a war with the Painters IRL and... That's it? If the Painters can create worlds, the Writers have therefore a special ability too, I presume? And we don't know it. Imagine if the Writers can distort reality, it could mean that Clair Obscur Expedition 33 may be fake in some aspects.
>>721903245I chose it because we're all someone's creation, whether of the force of nature or of an intelligent creator. The existence within the canvas was well-deserved, fought for and they have proven to have qualities which have earned them their right to exist. When it comes to Aline, she needs to co exist with the canvas to truly heal because only when having access and refusing it did you really overcome whatever the object of interest is. It's like her apple of Eden. Verso's vestiges within the canvas are the way they are because of how his parents and older sister handled the situation and that was what fueled his desire to erase himself. If they behaved in a different way his mind could be healed and changed.
>>721916396They tried to burn down the mansion, and Maelle got caught in it. Verso sacrificed himself to save her. Presumably they were trying to kill the whole family but only the people caught in the room they threw the molotov/magic writing that causes housefires really felt it.
>>721903559It's not a difficult choice because I'm an emotionally mature person and not a developmentally stunted man child. I instantly sided with Verso
>>721903559>>721904667Ironically this is a low IQ opinion as someone who actually understands something would also have the ability to explain their position even to someone with limited understanding.Retard.
>>721916396Our real life parallel are the Masons.>Painter paints>Writer writes>Mason sculpts abd works stonePinocchio's story is the Carpenter parallel.
>>721916436>I chose it because we're all someone's creation, whether of the force of nature or of an intelligent creator.Assumption.
>>721916775*tips le fedora*
>>721903245I didn't think keeping the painting meant Maelle would succumb to it Thought I could keep the painting for good memories and erase Verso or anyone else who wanted to be. Didn't think not destroying the painting meant Maelle would lose herself in it forever
>>721916775>Doesn't believe in an intelligent creator>Doesn't believe in forces of natureHuh?
>>721916860She was clearly unstable by the end. Everyone saw it except herself.
>>721908014>he lives in a world ruled by an irrational god that won't let him die and forces him to behave.She gave him the ability to grow old and die, hence why he looks older in her ending. In her own fucked up way she's trying to help him as well because she hopes that by being able to grow old and naturally die he might find peace.
>>721916860Not sure how you could not know that before the ending considering Verso states it outright 10 seconds before
>>721917087Nobody else aged at all, I’m not even sure Maelle would let him die in the end.
>>721916969"you lied to your father, he saw it too but he wanted to believe"This sentence sums up well that she has lost control if she feels compelled to lie.
My head canon is that Verso faked his death in the fire so he could join the Writers. In one of the conversations near the end of the game he talks about how he loves to write. That and his passion for music over painting might have pointed him towards the Writers, who might have actually appreciated his talents.
>>721915865I don't get why people gloss over this because it's kind of huge. Everyone in Maelle's ending is either a new person, a construct based on Alicia's memories or just an incomplete NPC like the pale nevrons. Alicia cam't bring back people who were gommaged unless she grabbed their chroma at the moment they were evaporated like she is specifically shown to do with Lune and Sciel's chroma. Everyone in the painting is already dead at the point in the story, you aren't saving anyone. You're just assisting the suicide of a depressed teenage girl.
>>721916553The Writers' equivalent of sending anthrax in the mail.
>>721917140>Nobody else aged at allNobody else has been alive for as long as Verso, so why would they be aged?> I’m not even sure Maelle would let him die in the end.Then why would she give him the ability to grow old?
>>721917228Well you’re saving Esquie, Francois, the Gestral, and the Grandis. Esquie shows up for one last hug and accepted death, the Gestral don’t really mind death, Francois is Francois. Only the Grandis might resent the decision at all, and only because we know next to nothing about their society.
>>721916860You've never seen someone with a real addiction. The more Alicia gets pushed towards losing the painting the more bullshit excuses, self-justification and irrational behaviour gets until she eventually just resorts to violence and outright lies.
>>721917164Also, me again And again, if Verso was able to directly read Renoir's expressions, it's because it's as if it were the real Verso. He knows his father and his sister. And in my opinion, the real Verso would also have wanted everything to stop and for his soul to leave the painting.
>>721917379>nobody else is as oldHe’s a century old, he’d be a shambling arthritic corpse.>why would she give him the abilityBecause she’s a delusional teenager looking to have her cake and eat it too. If he gets too old and threatens to die prematurely, I don’t know if she has the maturity to let him.
>>721903245Maelle - Left wingVerso - Right wing
>>721903245I chose Maelle because Verso is a terrible person and I never got around caring for his plight
>>721916436Did you not notice the part where they all already died?
>>721917687Wrong, I picked Verso
>>721917453Francois probably longs for death because Clea abandoned and forgot him long ,ago despite the fact that he basically only lives to be her companion.
>>721917832Yeah but you picked him because he's hot you leftist faggot
>>721917562>in my opinion, the real Verso would also have wanted everything to stop and for his soul to leave the painting.At the very least, the splinter of kid Verso's soul wouldn't want to see his mother and sister slowly committing suicide in what used to be his happy fun gestral adventure world.
>>721917939>You must believe [schizo headcanon]Maelle, is that you?
>>721918038Clea being the only one in the family hardline against painted creations mattering is interesting. Even Renoir is obviously pained by the things he’s doing and chats with the painted on equal grounds. If Clea was the final boss she’d paint over Sciel and Lune’s mouths for contradicting her.
>>721918038Why not include the line of him then saying "like music" to make sure that's delusional ramblings of a kidWho btw then says that Renoir is doing what needs to be done
>>721917624> If he gets too old and threatens to die prematurely, I don’t know if she has the maturity to let him.It's just as likely that by the time Verso becomes an old man on his deathbed that Maelle will have matured enough to accept him dying peacefully of natural causes; because someone dying of natural causes is a hell of a lot easier to accept than someone dying a painful, sudden, and traumatic death.
>>721903516I chose her because she had stronger moves than verso
>>721918370Maelle will go insane long before that happens. Her mother is the strongest painter in the family by a significant degree, and she was already going nuts after like 60 years in there
>>721903245its a game anon i can pick the cute girl without consequences
>>721918494Clea is explicitly a superior painter to her mother. She could likely have solved this whole shebang but her contributions were her momentarily popping in between what I imagine are strafing runs on the writers.
>>721918370Maelle won't mature because she's not growing by staying in the painting, both physically and mentally. That's literally the whole reason people are trying to kick her out of the painting. She's just locking herself away in a bubble and refusing to accept Verso's death, deal with her guilt and come to terms with her life like a normal person does. She just wants to rot away in an escapist fantasy because she's being a dumb child
>>721918494I don't think Verso is going to last 60 years though.
>>721916882>forces of natureis a nebulous term that doesn't mean anything. it's not the same 'creation' as any kind of intelligent design.>>721916821Assumes fedora; ad hominem because opponent is too mentally weak to counter. Destroyed. Despacito.
>>721918718Neither will Maelle, she’s already pretty severely beginning to rot in her ending. And that’s been like eight in-painting years.
>>721918718He'll last however long Alicia wants him to last.
>>721918684>refusing to accept Verso's death, deal with her guilt and come to terms with her life like a normal person does.No "normal" person would be able to do all that at the age of sixteen, on top of being scarred mentally and physically, without the help of a good therapist and a strong support group. Of which Maelle has neither.
>>721918626Maybe. It would be cool to see what Clea is doing to the writers IRL, but maybe it's better to leave it more mysterious. There's no doubt in my heart that Clea has killed lots of people IRL so maybe that's why the painted things mean very little to her.>>721918718Sure, but Maelle is explicitly said to be the weakest painter in the family, so I doubt she's got that long. There really isn't any 100% good ending, but I think Maelle's ending is significantly worse. That poor girl is going to suffer either way, though.
>>721914074>pRenoir couldn't kill her>can gommage him through aline's painted form>but verso can because he's the protaganist>"I want a good ending"
>>721918951pRenoir didn’t slice her throat, he basically tried to push her through the painting and Renoir pushed back. She got shunted into the void. Verso just stabbed her like he stabbed the Paintress. Same way they stabbed Renoir.
>>721914932Either way they are sentient and have real thoughts and feelings and pain
>>721918893>Sure, but Maelle is explicitly said to be the weakest painter in the family, so I doubt she's got that long. There really isn't any 100% good ending, but I think Maelle's ending is significantly worse. That poor girl is going to suffer either way, though.It's worse for painted verso who is a total asshole, so honestly by the nature of it punishing his selfish ass it's a good ending.
>>721918893Clea is a bitter, hardened person who was nobody’s favorite despite being a genius golden child. Her father painted her as a giant holding the world on her back.
>>721919154Yeah but they're all dead either way, Maelle just makes more people in her ending, and they're strongly hinted to be far less "real" than the ones painted by Aline.
>>721919235Renoir did nothing wrong.Verso did nothing wrong (for the wrong reasons)
The universe could be a blast if they included the Writers in a future production.Maybe the Writers were right.Maybe the Writers can distort reality, etc.If executed well without any weird woke BS, it could be a blast.I know this game can be done as a one-shot, it's about grief and all, but if they expand the universe with the writers, I'm ready.I hope to see Simon again but in my team, either in the past, either with the Writers and new story
>>721919278I think Renoir respects Clea the most out of all the children, but I think everyone loved Verso the most and that's why his death just fucking shattered everyone. Clea is holding it together better than the rest, but she's coping by getting revenge IRL and mentions how she both loves and hates Verso for saving Alicia.
>>721903245Maelle died at the end of Act 2. Call the ending for what it is - Alicia's.
>>721919857I think it's Maelle's ending because in it, she pretends to be Maelle instead of Alicia and shapes the whole world around that fantasy, even pretending that painted Verso is the real Verso.
>>721918859The ending makes it pretty clear that Renoir is a good, caring dad and he is trying incredibly hard to stop his family is imploding over Verso's death. He just prioritised his wife who was activily killing herself (and then trapped him in the painting for an unknown amount of time) over the daughter who wasn't activly suicidal.
I really like the interactions between pVerso and Renoir. It's subtle but there's a ton of depth there. Neither of them really know how to treat the other one and both have very complex feelings about each other, even though they don't openly express it.
>>721919928>The ending makes it pretty clear that Renoir is a good, caring dad and he is trying incredibly hard to stop his family is imploding over Verso's death. He just prioritised his wife who was activily killing herself (and then trapped him in the painting for an unknown amount of time) over the daughter who wasn't activly suicidal.No it makes it clear he's a hypocritical ass who is extremely stubborn. If he chose to he could hide the painting, or keep them out of it for a time. Instead he subjects everyone to his decision to destroy the painting. He might be caring but he's also not a good person.
>>721920185>Instead he subjects everyone to his decision to destroy the paintingThat's not what he wants to do, but it's the only option he has to keep his wife and daughter from killing themselves in it. I'm sure he wants to keep the only painting his dead son ever made. He says it himself, "Life keeps forcing cruel decisions."
>>721920269>That's not what he wants to do, but it's the only option he has to keep his wife and daughter from killing themselves in it. I'm sure he wants to keep the only painting his dead son ever made. He says it himself, "Life keeps forcing cruel decisions."Yes because he's stubborn and not particularly interested in doing anything but what he sees as right. That doesn't mean he's right.
>>721920410Like pretty much everyone else, he's right in a way but often for the wrong reasons. Trying to take control over the situation is his unhealthy coping method, but in this case he happens to be right.
>>721919928A single person that has to prioritize his wife over his daughter is not going to be a strong support group for said daughter.
>>721919089How did they kill pRenoir anyway? I mean, Clea stopped Expedition 0 and tried to kill them but couldn't because they were immortal. She even complains about the "(immortal) obscene fake family". How can Maelle do it?
>>721903245I'm too busy playing a real RPG- Tales of Symphonia- to care about your flavor of the month slop.
Is this supposed to be the new eternal clown fighting ring for NV-House troons?
>>721919924>pretendsKey word right there.
From the angle that painters are essentially gods of a higher plane, I honestly can't really understand the direction of the ending. It feels like two completely disparate stories tenuously connected because they decided they actually wanted to say something else half way through production. That isn't to say the two stories aren't compelling but what literary purpose could you have to build characters up as if they're sentient beings over the course of a game and then toss that out at the end because you wanted to make a point about dealing with grief? I'm not sure if this or waking up and it was all a dream tropes are worse. Is it subversive to do things that are unanimously agreed upon as being trite intentionally? I hesitate it to call it a betrayal of audience expectation because that makes it seem more interesting than it really is. I guess it's subversive to my expectation of having a decent story. "The second part re-contextualizes the first part", yeah it re-contextualizes the first as being meaningless and any flavor of them having their own personalities is just meant to be a device to trick you into thinking they were people with free will? (???) Game plays good at least.
>>721921851I'm not sure if it was intentional, but it has a lot of ties to current (or near-future) events with AI.
>>721921550>Maelle would win the 1v1Verso was stronger in my party, but she was a close 2nd.
>>721921851A lot of that depends on whether you think the painted people had "souls" or not.
>>721922050Fair. But Maelle being a full paintress with Verso being the manifestation of a painter and not a painter himself, I feel she would be able to gap him in terms of strength in the story
>>721922278My point is that they're presented as if they do for the majority of the game. Whether or not they "actually" have souls is irrelevant because what I'm calling out is the fact that they tried to frame it that way at all. Especially in the context of an RPG, you spend dozens of hours with the characters only for it to be meaningless by the end to make a point that is completely unaligned with the tone and message of the first half. In fact, the message of the first half is completely discarded rendering any interesting musings from Gustave as pointless. I really wouldn't have much of a problem with this development if it felt less hamfisted but it all just amounts to "just kidding! it's really about this!".
>>721921319>End of April>MonthGood luck for the Game Awards
>>721922779It wouldn't be at all the same without that, though. It's those layers that make the story deeper and more complex, more meaningful and interpretable. It's not 'just' about the family, it's more than that.
>save>watch ending 1reload>watch ending 2
>>721923290>filenamelmao clever
>>721903245>What is the average profile of people who choose the Maelle ending?6'4 white european CHAD BVLLS
>>721903245I chose Maelle because in a world where magic is real, people in a painting are just as real as anyone else.You can't compare it to a decision that could be made in the RL
>>721923535That doesn't matter though, anon. All the people are already dead in both endings. Maelle ending just makes new people that are less real than the ones that were there before, because she's not as good of a painter as her mother.
>>721903245Only clueless profans think that the story of E33 is le family drama. It's a Gnostic themed story about evil and shitty gods.Look at Dessendre family. All of those people are not worth one nail of any random expeditioner who gave his life to stop the shit that they were doing tho his people. And yet they have godly pwoers in the canvas world, which they in the end only use to create suffering and misery without any good reason other than their own personal bullshit. Maelle ending is a good ending because it allows you to throw those shits under the bus to give at least something to sentient beings that they've tortured so much.
>>721903245I think Verso is the objectively correct answer but Maelle being nice and caring vs Verso's self absorbed deceitfulness surely plays a part for those who pick Maelle.Like, sure Verso is right, but we just spent the whole game with all these characters we obviously fucking care about and now we're gonna side with the lying asshole because "THEYRE NOT REAL!!!!!" But to themselves they're real, would you kill yourself or volunteer to be killed if you knew your entire life was an illusory lie?
>>721916607if that were true, you'd recognize that lune, sciel, monoco, & esqiue are as real as verso is.They're gonna reveal that the Dessendre family is written in a book in the next Clair Obscur just to fucking hammer this over your god damned head.
I choose Maelle because I didn't get blinded by pVerso's sob story or even Renoir's reasoning and remembered the mission of Expedition 33: SAVING THE CANVAS
>>721923714>>721923659>>721923652>>721923535Maellefags prove once again that they were not paying attention.Everyone is already fucking dead in both endings except for the party members.
If you fall for the>they're not real peopletrick you should probably be isolated you fucking sociopath
>>721923824You didn't even read my post, I'm not a Maellefag, I just see where they're coming from
>>721922516She's barely just awakened. Eventually sure, but she gets oneshot by Simon with all the rest of them.
>>721923824Maelle have never seen Sciel's husband. Whatever asspull power she used to bring him back defeats your whole argument.
Why isn't there an ending where Maelle takes over the painting, if she cares so fucking much why does she have to implicate Verso?
>>721919089honestly, don't care about power fantasy. I'm just pointing out that a person who choose verso's ending is no different to maelle's one
>>721924063It's a community of a few hundred to a few thousand, she's probably seen him. she just didn't know him.>then how did she bring him backHow did Aline bring Verso back
>>721903245Verso ending is the best for everyone - yes, even Maelle. Maelle’s ending renders everyone puppets to her whims.
>>721923714If losing you means saving you, so be it
>>721924063It's not my argument, it's how shit is both shown and explained to work. Maelle can bring back Sciel and Lune perfectly because she captures their chroma before it returned to the greater whole. For everyone else, she's just making new people. Probably she cooperated with Sciel to make the husband as Sciel remembered him. And she's not as good of a painter as her mother, that's why the crowds are largely colorless in her ending.
>>721920930By her and Renoir's powers combined, presumably.>>721924157If Simon and every Nevron under the sun can kill Maelle if she slips up, so can Verso. Retard.
>>721904259I saved the Canvas so Esquie wouldn't die.
If the people in the painting aren't real, why are you so fanny fluatered that not real Verso has to play piano indefinitely?
>>721924316But Esquie. Monoco, and Verso all lied to the party is led them to destruction.
>>721924354I don't care about Monoco or Verso. Esquie is just naive.
>>721924339it doesn't matter if they're real...I think they are...but they're already all dead no matter what....cmon man...what are you doing...
>>721924447They come back in Maelle's ending though....
>>721903245Hey now no spoilers please, I still haven't finished the game
>>721924339If you think they're real, why would you be okay with one being enslaved by a traumatized goddess that's quickly going insane? And it's not just him, literally everyone except Sciel and Lune in her ending were literally created by her to serve her fantasy of Verso still being alive.>>721924532No, those are brand new people. And probably less soulful than the previous "generation"
>>721904635>The only choice was verso because the painted reality isn’t real and can very easily be remade,The game chickens out and doesn't commit to any particular worldview. It's not that I'm nitpicking a plot hole; the game actually says nothing.The fact that /v/ creams over Slop 33 and got filtered by FF7 Rebirth is actually hilarious.
>misery porn with no catharsisJust as expected from the F*nch
>>721923180Back in my day, we used to call this bad writing.
>>721924612But I don't think they're real, but the only ones who are actively harmed by Maelles ending is a not real paint person....
>>721924612>literally everyone except Sciel and Lune in her ending were literally created by her to serve her fantasy of Verso still being aliveSo? They'll eventually reproduce and become real human beans. Aline did the literal exact same thing
>>721923824>agree that it's wrong to kill paint people>but killing Lune and Sciel is fineyeah, sure buddy
>>721924737Maelles paint people have less chroma and are therefore corrupt facsimiles.
>>721924737Okay? She can do that literally anywhere. Go paint your own shit girl. Stop masturbating in your dead brother's canvas.
>>721924736>the only oneMaelle is killing herself for not real paint people, ergo one person is being harmed versus zero. Two if you count Versoul.
>>721924752Sure, but now they're trapped in a world entirely controlled and defined by an insane teenage goddess that's going insane and forcing everyone and everything to fit her cope fantasy. Not really great
>>721924947Yeah but it's by her choice so who cares? This isn't some normal family with a normal outside world, it's a family of retarded godlike demiurges, there's no ending where Mark leaves the house and socializes with people or shops at a grocery store, she either A. Keeps the paint shit going or B. Lives in complete isolation for the rest of eternity.
>>721924737>So? They'll eventually reproduce and become real human beansI don't think so, because they're less soulful from the start. Alicia is the worst painter in the family. Maybe she'll get better with practice and time, but that won't happen until she goes back to the real world and suffers. Staying there means she's fucked and so is everything else in there, whether they're "real" or not. If her and Aline can just get over Verso's death and accept the pain instead of hiding from it, the painting doesn't have to be destroyed.
>>721924604Tomorrow comes
>>721925174>MarkBravo autocorrect, meant Maelle obviously
>>721924612>>721924821>>721924979>makes shit up to deride Maelle endingWhat I give you is that we have no idea how much of a continuity of consciousness there is for revived painted beings. I think the Noco subplot is meant to make us think about that. In other words, are the people in her ending "the same" as before, brought back, or "new" with the previously deceased people's memories. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletransportation_paradoxIn any case I believe the Canvas world and its inhabitants deserves a few more decades or centuries of peace. My decision wasn't about Alicia or Verso or the rest of the family, but about them.
>>721925174Yeah, which is why it's virtuous to make the choice for the child instead, to save two people rather than harm two people.
>>721924821>>721925209This is headcanon.
>>721925297The game makes a point that the revived people are not the same, that's why Gus being revived is presented as hollow
>>721925297The canvas is fucked, Nevrons have to all be exterminated, and the world won't heal under the guidance of a teenager.
>>721925297>In any case I believe the Canvas world and its inhabitants deserves a few more decades or centuries of peaceThen you shouldn't want Maelicia to stay in there while going insane and dying eventually. The only possible good ending for the people of the canvas is for the painters to get their shit together.
>>721924979Well that is an issue with Maelle, and not with the choice itself.
>>721925363Not at all. Did you even play the game?
Haven't played it, I'm guessing the old man destroys the fantasy and the little girl has to get a job or something.
>>721925647We really have no fucking clue what the outside world is like, there's some kind of conflict between writers and painters but aside from that there is no conceivable "real world" that offers any kind of quality of life, and one should assume that the world they live in must not be all that great if every single person in it save for French Mike Redbar is obsessive about creating some sort of living construct
>>721925647Well for starters there are two versions of the old man who are also diametrically opposed
>>721924415Esquie and Monoco are basically a living action figure and a pet respectivly. I'd be surprised if they had any real free will at all and didn't just go along with whatever Verso told the to because he's their owner. The painters perception of the subject influences how the subject acts, so if a child creates a being based on hus favourite toy and his favourite pet they will obviously end up being unconciously obediant to him.
>>721925940Okay but if the Writers being the game writers theory is true that means nobody in this game is "real" and therefore nobody has free will.
>>721925813>there's some kind of conflict between writers and paintersWe dont even know if writers actually exist, are a figment of Clea's imagination, are a metaphor, or are a reference to the actual writers of the game
>>721925518Maelle is intrinsic to the choice. If we had a "Get Maelle to leave of her own volition" choice, everyone would pick that one. As it is, you either force her out killing everyone, or let her stay killing her and enslaving both Versos.
>>721926020I do appreciate that the game doesn't try and contend with "turtles all the way down" and keeps things more localized as it matters to our characters
>>721926020>maelle you shouldn't have fucking trusted he gods now they've written us into a moral dilemma, those cunts>i'm going to go make more porn of myself with a horse to undercut their art
>>721926020That's a stupid theory.
>>721926114Way I see it is either way she's mentally fucking ill. Verso's ending can be canon, fuck it, but there's no ending where obsessive Maelle "gets over" her painting friends and dead brother as indicated by Maelles ending being "its still real to me goddamnit!"
>>721926246She will have time to heal in one ending, and Verso's ending clearly visually represents it.
>>721926221>no no, you don't get it, THESE video game characters are fake, and THESE ones are real
>>721905181Perfect line read I doubt anyone could sound more like a spoiled little brat angry that she's losing an argument.
>>721925647Do you honestly think this guy is a fantasy? The guy can get to you outside of the canvas, don't take it lightly if you meet him.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx7R430ENpM
>>721926142That's the approach I generally took. If I put myself in any one of these characters shoes their position is justified. If I was either Renoir then I would be absolutely justified in fighting for my life. Unfortunately by that logic I am a god looking down over a world and I have been presented with several choices all that result in the death of people that at the very least on the surface have free will. All I can say is it really isn't our decision to make if that is the case and the only good ending is to turn off the game and stop playing.
>>721926313>LE time heals all woundsTime seldom cures mental illness
>>721926327That's the best part of the game's plot to me; an extra level of recursion is added that ruins everything, even though it shouldn't
>>721926401>the only good ending is to turn off the game and stop playing.BRAVO KOJIMA
>>721926445She's not mentally ill, she's traumatized. Going through trauma doesn't just fucking inflict you with schizophrenia.
>>721926492Bro she fucking trauma bonded with Imagination Land.
>>721926594Yeah, she did. Painters do that all the fucking time. If Imagination Land is gone, then her refuge to wallow in trauma goes with it.
>>721926492I'm sorry Katie, you're mentally ill and no amount of touching grass changes that time you wrote a fan fiction where you fucked your mermaid boyfriend
>>721926594If imagination land was as vivid as real world that doesn't really mean anything, it's why all Marche arguments are inherently retarded
>>721926653>That story about how Salvador Dali used to sleep next to a pan with a spoon in his hand so that when he fell asleep he would drop it and wake up so that he could experience what being as close to dreams as possible without being asleep was like.
>>721926670Anon if stupid fanfiction writing was proof of mental illness, then there would barely be a medically sane teenage girl left.
>>721926401>the only good ending is to turn off the game and stop playing.Genuine high IQ take
E33 playthrough but take a shot every time Verso is dishonest
>>721926807Correct
>>721926867alcohol poisoning
>>721926039>We dont even know if writers actually existUh what? They're the whole reason the game happens, Verso dying to save Alicia from an attack by the Writers.
>>721926807>teenage girls are not medically saneYes
>>721926114>you either force her out killing everyoneNot necessarily. The painting can exist with a painter being actively in it. The only reason Renoir and pVerso are set on destroying the canvas is because Alicia and Aline are killing themselves with it. If they just stopped doing that, the painting would be free to exist.
>>721927168If you ever think women have any chance of turning sane, then Maelle needs to be shunted out of fanfiction land.
>>721927207But they won't stop doing that so Renoir will 100% destroy that shit.
>>721927209Its too late and Maelle already has a crush on her dead brother-dad, Gus
>>721927207Well yeah, but them being in there kills them. Again, if they could be persuaded to actually constructively use the canvas for grief rather than intent on killing themselves in it, then the final dilemma wouldn't even be happening. As it stands, the painting will kill them if it exists.
>>721927135I think he's just referring to how we know next to nothing about them. We know they are "real" we don't know who they are though or even what they are. I like the idea of them being a meta entity though like the game writers, mostly because that lends itself to a sequel that isn't a direct sequel better. I'd rather the next game be another Clair Obscur than a sequel to Expedition 33. Kind of like how all the Final Fantasy games exist in a shared universe but completely distinct and the only thing that connects them is Gilgamesh and the void.
>>721927306She'll find a frenchman that looks like him and that frenchman will be ecstatic on marrying into this level of wealth and will overlook some facial scars and a fake eye. She'll be fine.
Maybe if the devs went to therapy instead of trauma dumping into their game none of these characters would have to suffer
>>721927446At least they're getting paid, Maelle is doing it for free.
>>721927135An attack which the Writers facilitated by contacting Alicia directly. And who Renoir and Aline were also fighting against. As well as other unseen Painters, of which there are enough of to warrent the establishment of a whole council in order to maintain rules who are presumably also fighting writers. But never let basic facts stated in game get in the way of reddit fan theories.
>>721927546Okay but to offer a counter point, the plot of the Never Ending Story is a boy reading a fantasy book that contains a world and he influences the world through imagination.
>>721927717BASTIEN, PLEEZE
>>721927717>but to offer a counterpoint [an entirely different work of fiction with different intentions]To offer a counterpoint, Superman is a guy with all the powers and he can punch writing continuity.
>>721927797I'm a guy who could punch you if you open your mouth again.
>>721927797Superman is a good example actually because both Marvel and DC have a god character that is a projection of the writers of those stories.
I WANT TO SEE CLEA MURDER WRITERS
>>721927858I can punch you better and my dick is bigger and also I'm better looking.
>>721903245I side with Maelle not for her sake or for the sake of the people of Lumiere, but because Verso deserves to suffer
>>721927949Expedition 34 or expedition 33:2 being about the actual outside conflict would be sickespecially if it is turtles all the way down and the real world is just a one level up still fake world
>>721928000 (checked)Why do so many people hate pVerso with this burning rage?
This is basically the plot of this gamehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XvXsuSJ-1A
>>721927905But again, there's no reason to believe the writers are just the inserts of the actual game creators, because how the fuck is Clea waging a war on the actual literal writers of the game anon? Is she making the game shittier and less likely to sell on purpose? Is she to blame for Act 3 being a bit of a mess?
>>721928098Because they wrote her to do that, it's not rocket science anon. It made a compelling story.
>>721928183It's a nonsense plot point taken this way and turns the whole thing into a farce. You have no real argument for this interpretation other than the game plays on metacommentary intrinsically, by being about escapism.
>>721928061Lied to my mildly brown wife and my yellow wife
>>721928183Writing her to do that makes no fucking sense. Literally think about this for even a second. Think about yourself waging a war on reality itself. You probably can't because your stupid third dimension brain can't comprehend how you would evem go abput something like that. How do you expect Clea to do the same thing?
>>721928413>>721928305Writing her to do that makes perfect sense, because they did write her to do that, because the world of Clair Obscur potentially isn't real to them. We've gone full circle, either everybody is alive or nobody is alive, ergo the only good ending is to just turn off the game and go outside so nobody has to die.
>>721928413At this point you're just asking pseud questions like why can the brain think about itself or higher order things
>>721928560Nobody dies under any circumstance within your hypothetical, retard. You've gone about two layers too deep into metacommentary and firmly into schizo territory.
>>721928674>I'm gonna go punch god!Said the madman, trying desperately to will an omniscient higher-order being into existence to punch it.
>>721928735>Nobody dies under any circumstance within your hypotheticalThat's literally what I said, yes?
>>721904259Damn you are one seething thirdie bitch We saved you during ww2 but maybe we shouldn't have :)
>>721928829Kind of like the expeditioners then....
>>721928839>ergo the only good ending is to just turn off the game and go outside so nobody has to die.Even grappled with as a schizo moral dilemma, the only good ending is to never pick up any media whatsoever and never think about anybody dying. The only way to be truly moral is to live in a thoughtless fugue state.
>>721928061If you replay the game, it completely recontextualizes almost everything he says and does and he just comes off as a massive lying bastard and a hypocrite.
>>721928876With the difference that the Paintress is literally right there, within punching distance. The writers meanwhile exist outside the narrative. How exactly would Clea know of or wage a war on the writers?>because they wrote the lines into the gameWhy would they have written lines that reference a hilarious farce with any kind of seriousness?
>>721928941>Even grappled with as a schizo moral dilemma, the only good ending is to never pick up any media whatsoeverYou seem to be implying that in order to enjoy a piece of fiction I need to only ever make moral choices, which if you believe that you have just outed yourself as a midwit.
>>721928981This. Every conversation at camp is now Verso[broodingly and gravelly]: heh...this one time [LIE] and [Lie by omission], [has sex with Sciel the nonperson who he doesnt give a fuck about in an act of ultimate jewery]
>>721929073Writers aren't the game writers, they're a faction of people like painters and musickers.
>>721929095Nigger we're talking about "Good" and "Evil" here. You brought morality into the discussion, you don't get to eliminate it immediately. I made an argument about sticking to "Good" morality and how your argument sublimates into nonsense immediately. Counter my argument or fuck off.
>>721929242Well yes, I know. This other anon is putting forth the theory that [The Writers] are literally the lady that wrote the game and her associates. I'm pointing out how asinine that interpretation is.
>>721929269I did, but I brought it up in the context of the game introducing a deeper meta commentary beyond what is immediately presented. There is nothing nonsense about it, you seem to be the only one struggling with this concept and in fact seem to be getting angry that you don't understand it which is a further point towards you being unintelligent.
>>721928674I'm asking the schizo to explain how a video game character could wage war on a video game writer without resorting to hand waving it away as "because shes written that way."Like again lets go back to the fact that Alicia was in contact with the writers who used her as a means to kill Verso. You could say Alicia needs to feel responsible for Verso's death. Fine. So why not have her be playing while Verso and Clea were in a painting and she knocked a candle onto some turpentine and could only get Clea to safety in time? Why did the Writers need to be in contact with Alicia at all if they're the writers of the game?
>>721929365Oh yeah, I agree with you. They're either on the same plane as the painters or even a higher plane, but they are not real people like you, me, and the writers of Expedition 33
>>721928305The game is a commentary on video game development and the war between writers and artists.
>>721929420Your "Deeper metacommentary" is pure headcanon and unintended. And obviously, it does sublimate into nonsense. Recursive metacommentary is navel gazing of the worst sort. Watch, I'll take it a step further. YOU might be a fictional character! WooOOOoooOOOO! Nothing is actually accomplished by this hypothetical, but it IS even more meta!
>>721928981>>721929158He's not evil though. He even comes around to changing his mind about destroying the canvas, until he sees Alicia lie to Renoir and he knows everything is fucked and goes back to his original plan. They gave him hope and then Maelle destroyed it again.
>>721929441A) There is nothing schizo about that theory, learn a new wordB) You calling it "hand waving" in an attempt to be dismissive doesn't make this concept any less validC) At no point did I claim this is what is happening, I was just trying to have a nice discussion about the game. Unfortunately I made the mistake of trying to have a discussion with an actual slope headed retard and D) This is not even the first piece of fiction to do man vs creation, in fact it is one of the oldest tropes in fiction. People have even given multiple examples in this thread including one mention of the Never Ending Story which is literally the 2 degrees off the plot of this game.
>>721929589There is literally nothing to substantiate that other than the factions being called the "Painters" and the "Writers". If the other faction was "The Plumbers" would it become a commentary on the oppressive nature of Nintendo in the gaming space?
>>721929682I'm not saying Verso is evil, I'm saying he's an asshole with a Jewish mind that subverts and subjugates "lesser people" because it's convenient for him. If a stray dog came to you, and spoke English, and an ability to self reflect, would you still jam your cock in it because it's "just a dog"
>>721923672>you'd recognize that lune, sciel, monoco, & esqiue are as real as verso is.So, not real at all, then?I literally didn't use Verso at all during the game, because I didn't like him, and I am a simp that worships women, so I had a full female party. So I had no weapons, pictos or skills equipped/learned etc. And I still sided against Maelle. It was the easiest choice a video game has ever presented.
>>721929750No but it would explain why Paris smells the way it does.
>>721919308You don't just murder an elderly person just because they'll probably die in the next 20 years anyways. And no, if anything, it's hinted Maelle is almost at Aline's power by the end
>>721929721Your interpretation adds nothing to the story but turning the character of Clea into a farce. Meta for meta's sake is what burned the western comic industry into the ground, because it literally doesn't accomplish anything. "Oh boy super-pals, the One-Above-All is literally my editor!"
>>721929750Not at all related but you never really think about how useful trash collectors are until the trash collectors union goes on strike in Ready or Not and now there's fucking trash everywhere.Someone should write an entirely serious story about plumbers ruling over people by shutting off their ability to flush toilets
>>721929930I think about the necessity of public works workers all the time. I'm an engineer, overseeing those poor bastards is like half of my job opportunities. The other half is making bombs.
>>721929721Concession accepted.
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>>721929912The Western comics industry was burned to the ground because all the talent in the industry got scooped up by movies and TV because people stopped buying paperbacks due to the internet happening. I can only assume you are only talking about the big 2 of Western comics as well because the rest are doing fine as a niche. Learn you history chump. >>721930106Loser, I won the moment you first responded with dribble all over your T shirt.
I chose Maelle because I had played as her, and she was a leveled character I already had. I didn’t pick Verso since I hadn’t played as him, and he was low level. I thought that if I chose Verso, I’d have to fight a high-level Maelle, and she would one-shot me.
>>721929830She absolutly is not. Lumiere is still a fractured, distorted mess and most of the Lumeirians lack colour like Clea's incomplete nevrons. Alicia either lacks the ability to fix them or can't be bothered neither of which are good things.
>>721928054It would be Clair Obscur 2, calling it Expedition 69 wouldn't make any sense because the expeditions only exist in that one painting.
>>721929816how was it easy if you recognize that the only real person there is maelle and she can make whatever fucking choice she wants?
>>721930598If she doesn't have the power to beat a painted man, she is incapable of making the choice. Get fucked, teeny bopper.
>>721930667and you call yourself a simp, lmao
What are your hopes for the next game since they've confirmed it's on the table. Personally with the way that one Gestral with the Casino and the Jazz talks I'd love something Cajun.
>>721930580I truly believe they'll run into a marketing issue doing that. Nobody calls it Clair Obscure, everybody calls it Expedition 33. We're gonna have a Star Wars: Dark Forces 4: Jedi Knight 3: Jedi Academy problem on our hands
>>721930276>he took the black and white literallyHoly brainletShe's actually more powerful by Aline by the end, there's videos breaking it down indepth if you care
>>721930767they're doing clair obscur stuff, not expedition 33 stuffit's likely going to be a completely different story related to the "real world" and have nothing to do w/ lumiere
>>721930875I just meant stylistically since Cajun culture is French too.
>>721930831Nobody calls Silksong Hollow Knight 2 eitherIt's one of those overhyped titles that will be followed and fellated by Keighley types just because it's another game from Sandfall even if it has absolutely nothing to do with Clair Obscur
>>721930937>Cajun culture is frenchThe devs aren't Cajun. The game is french in its presentation because the devs are french, anon....
>>721929682That doesn't really change how much of a lying bastard he is. Both him and Maelle do what they do for primarily selfish reasons. The altruistic aspects of their positions (helping Maelle move on and saving the people of Lumiere) are secondary to them. Verso's still the bigger bastard of the two, since he's consistently acting more deliberately as he lies whereas Maelle is deluding herself as much as she is anyone else.
>>721930841Nigger what? She has access to more Chroma but she's not more skilled. Her managing to brute force through Verso's immortality doesn't mean she's skilled at all. She recreated like three people.
>>721931016Okay? And?
>>721931125The style permeates from who they are is what I'm saying, the french people from france aren't going to make a game with the style of New Orleans black people with funny accents
>>721931016What would you feel like if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?
>>721931175Why's that? Keep going, this is funny.
>>721931204The answer to this question is near always going to be "Exactly the same" because unless it is asked before lunch, they will have likely eaten something else.
>>721931285Because Cajun is downstream from French culture and not up, it's like telling an Italian man to make a game about 'Da Bronx'
>>721931328Anon...
>>721931365Yeah imagine that, imagine if a developer made a game about a culture not immediately belonging to them for the sake of artistic liberty. Who made the last 50 Assassins Creed games again.
>>721931392Don't "Anon" me you unthinking nigger, your stupid meme question can't even serve its own purpose. You can't even examine it critically for yourself and see how pathetically self-defeating it is. You might wrangle a fucking 60 IQ with "Uhh but I did eat breakfast" but apply yourself for five seconds.
>>721931523Anon....
>>721931474The last 50 assassin's creed games were dogshit though? Stick with what you know and the game can be good. Be Ubisoft, and make nightmarish slop.
>>721930729That was some other anon.It's precisely because she is the only one that is real, that the correct choice is to break the painting. If you side with her, you are turning her into something less than real. Just another fantasy inside a painting.
>>721931523Anon... You didn't even tell me how you would feel, you told me how other people should feel which is even lower IQ than just saying that you ate breakfast. Saying hungry at least proves you are sentient, you gave an answer a chat bot would give.
>>721931474Do you think assassins creed permeates its style adequately as if it were made by people from those places? Expedition 33 is distinctly french in a way that you can tell it's made by frenchies. You sit any asshole down to play Expedition 33 and they'll say "oh yeah this is a french game" do you think any asshole would sit down and play Assassins creed 4 and say "Oh yeah this game is definitely made by people from the Caribbean islands"?
>>721931572Inability to question or logically confront things is also a poor indicator for intelligence.
>>721931653yeah but that's her choice man, what are you, her dad?
>>721931612Hollow Knight Silk Song just came out anon, and as far as I'm aware that game wasn't made by insects.
>>721929808>>721931025He's doing it for the greater good though. He's the only painted person who knows that he isn't real, and that his existence causes suffering.
>>721931669"Exactly the same" is intrinsic in my answer, because the answer is "Near always" exactly the same. Did you think that didn't apply to myself? I just ate dinner, I'd be satiated in any eventuality.
>>721931040>She recreated like three people.Holy retard alert
>>721931821Just say hungry anon, prove you are alive at least.
>>721930213My party was always Verso, Maelle, and then just whoever I felt like playing with.
>>721931760Insects have no culture, and the devs know things about insects. You want a cultural work, not a handful of aesthetic points. Last I checked insects can't interbreed to create divine insects, and giant moths don't create orange plagues.
>>721931760Hollow Knights style isn't such that it immediately and obviously invokes the culture of its creators like Expedition 33.....>bro these japanese guys made such good japanese food, this japanese restaurant is excellent, they should try making corn dogs now!
>>721931016Cajun comes from French colonists in America, though.
>>721931863I wouldn't be, because I just ate a different meal. You didn't ask the question right before lunch. Me eating or not eating breakfast at this point is immaterial for my current state of being.
>>721931040How is your media literacy this low
>>721903559>It's purposely a difficult choice by designPersonally I think chaining the soul of a child to a fake world for the sake of the whims of a grieving teenage girl isn't remotely a choice at all, and it's downright terrifying that people disagree.People really will accept the most nightmarish scenarios if you just frame it in a nice way.>omg a girl is crying, quickly, construct the torment nexus!
>>721931848You're right, it was only 2 (Sciel and Lune). The rest are either imitations or just shit she made up
>>721931946>>721931920You are both stupid, never make games. You can make games about whatever you want. What's funniest is this all started by some anon just asking what you would like for a sequel and some other anon immediately getting offended like the first anon was sitting on him and forcefeeding him feces.
>>721931732No, just someone that wants the best for her.
>>721931993Are the devs french colonists in america or Cajun? Do you think French people are the same as Cajuns and Haitians?
>>721932102>No>means yes
>>721932002No anon, if you didn't eat breakfast you would be hungry. Stop answering like chat gpt.
>>721932084>you don't even make games, people can make games about whatever they wantYou can, but when a strength of your game is notably how it ties into your cultural identity, you don't then ask the devs to make a game that just as well invokes a different cultural identity. Expedition 33 is praised for how unapologetically french it is, and that is due to the devs being....french
>>721932035>dude she remade lumiere, looka line of black and white clones>gustave, pierre, and sophie are alive again3 people. We can't even confirm they are "legitimate" recreations or if they are warped by Maelle.>>721932084You can make games/media about whatever, but if you want depth and quality to the games you need to write what you know. I can make a pastiche about Mongol nomadic living but I barely know anything about it, it'll probably come out shit.
>>721932105This game was set in like the 1800s or some shit anon, the devs are not from the 1800s either. I refuse to fucking argue with some gaping moron on the internet about whether people can make art about anything but their immediate life and culture.
>>721932164I'm witnessing the second tier of self-defeating low IQ, amazing.
>>721932164Your question presupposes that I didn't overeat last night, that I didn't sleep in passed breakfast time, that I normally eat breakfast every morning such that skipping it would make me hungry, and that had I eaten breakfast it wouldn't be possible for me to still be hungry.
>>721932105yeah pretty much, just look at Paris (2025)>>721932252You don't fucking get it fool. Sure you can make games about other cultures, but it's obvious when you don't actually understand those cultures
>>721932315But I don't eat breakfast.
>>721932252>its set in the 1800s thoughNo-one praises the game for authentically depicting the 1800s....I'd argue they do a piss-poor job of that when the disco music starts
>>721932317Cajun culture isn't even another culture you fucking idiot, Cajuns are French descendants.
>>721932408Americans are English descendants, I'd argue they've diverged in those several centuries.
>>721932408>Cajun is the same as frenchAnd there we are, anon finally shows how fucking retarded he is. Do you think frenchmen see Cajuns as their peers?
While i get her issues, I was already full on against her during the time you first talk to renoir, and his pre fight conversation only solidified it harder.That man deserved a happy ending and verso could give it to him.
>>721932478They're the same people genetically bitch. STFU>>721932473Americans are Euro descendants. Brave people from all over Europe came to America
>>721903245Women
>game falls apart at the end of act 1 in a desperate attempt to make it more interesting than it is
>>721932652>genetically they're the same
>>721932723wrong
>>721932652
>>721932149What a person wants, is not always what's best for them. For example, forcefully taking away the drugs of an addict, even if he wants to continue, despite it leading to is death, is not a bad thing.
>>721932974>They are not French>Goes on to explain how they are literally French
>>721932232The mental gymnastics, cope, and denial of reality from Versofags is truly insane
>>721932974Louisiana is rightful French territory, same way Florida belongs to Spain and California belongs to Mexico. It's for thieves to repent.
>>721932991ah, so you're an authoritarian and you don't respect what maelle wants at allokay.
>>721933132Anon my "Mental gymnastics" are literally what is shown to you.
>>721931732Evergreen, this is just Maelle's ending >Captcha: S0RRY
>>721931732I'm her (not real) brother actually. Her dad also agrees with me.
>>721933195what's wrong w/ this image other than you hating that other people are doing a thing?
>>721933067>describes in great detail how Cajuns are not french, and are in fact culturally distinct from French people>so hol up, you be sayin Cajuns and French are 1:1Most people living in France don't even know what the fuck Cajun is.....
>>721933252Please go recreate this and spare me having to talk to you.
>>721933252No I'm just not apathetic or a sociopath, so I have to capacity to want better lives for people
>>721933363you can actually answer the question any time
>>721933260>Reframes argument to glaringly downplay the fact that his post actually did not support his argument>Urm French people don't actually know what Cajuns yurpYeah I think we're done here.
>>721933195What's the overlap between wine and heroin? Do any heroin junkies actually drink wine?
>>721933402who are you to dictate what a better life is? You play God and act like you're doing someone else a favor. Kindly see yourself off the podium
>>721933464Sandfall should make a game about Toronto next!
>>721933502You aren't currently doing that very thing, and have no reason why you aren't. The very answer to your question is that YOU aren't currently hedonism maxing.
>>721933195just like with trannies the only problem is that in real life we have no way to create a functionally equivalent, vivid living second world to escape to. just like if people could magically transform into women and back on a whim half this board would jump at the bit, if you could actually paint yourself a different reality to chill out in the entire argument of "this is actually destructive" completely falls apart because it is absolutely a qualitative issue not fundamental one
>>721933568This is your brain on /V/
>>721933658my hedonism is something else entirely. But that's my decision to make.
>>721933663>suddenly bringing out trannies out of nowhereAbsolute obsession
>>721933716Your decision is entirely predicated upon your ability to enforce your will on the world. If you are unable to stop me from stopping you, your will does not matter. Maelle could not stop Verso.
>>721934003so the fact is your automatic decision to go against maelle is because you (YOU) hate her decision. Not based off of any fact or logic other than your own personal feelings about wanting to control what she does.
>>721934086Yes, that is all that matters in morality. My arbitrary decision, and my ability to enforce it. Does my logical argument matter even a little otherwise?
>>721903245People who haven't learned to accept loss.
In Maelle's ending, both her and Verso live a happy life.Verso fucks Lune and they have a kid.Both endings are good in their own ways.
>>721933502>I think your life could be better than permanent addiction and killing yourself slowly>NONONONO YOU'RE PLAYING GOD STOP TELLING ME WHAT TO DOSociopath it isYou're acting as if choices can't be manipulated or swayed by something as small as stress or grief. You don't always know what's best for you, especially in the cases of the latter two. Surely you must at least realise that some choices can be harmful to the individual right? You're not seriously going to argue that a 15 year old girl should be allowed to cut herself right?
>>721934170nopehave a nice day
>>721934225no, i believe God has a responsibility to take care of the creations (s)He makes.
>>721934324Yet you don't believe that the Devil could lead people astray and cause them to make immoral decisions? Are Christcucks just posers nowdays?
>>721934324If I imagine somebody into existence and they live in my mind, do I have a responsibility to care for them?
>>721921550True lel
>>721934447brother i am not a christ cuckthe Christian God does not take care of His people.
>>721934525if you turned out to be someone's imagination, would you not feel the need for them to make sure your existence is secured?
>>721934209>verso>happy lifemaybe after she's done brainwashing him?
>>721933160You're right, children should be fed nothing but ice cream and candy because that's what they want
From my experience>teenagers>people who hate their families>overly emotional retards with zero foresight (immediately regret their ending)Or a combination of those.
I picked Verso randomly because my investment in the story had long since died. The force ghosts in the ending waving her off were hilarious. Shit's as sophomoric as the average Tales of game.
>>721934604If I found out I was somebody's imagination I would do everything in my power to not be erased absolutely, but I'm not about to pretend the people living in my imagination are worth the hassle. Imagine the red tape and the legal battles people fight because they find out there is an endangered worm living in their garden, it's like that times ten thousand.
>>721934534Then actually address the point in the other post, do you believe that 15 year old girls should be allowed to cut themselves and that it should be normalized because it's "what they want"?
>>721934209Wrong. Pay more attention to what's actually going on. Maelle's ending is horrors beyond human comprehension.
>>721934534Eternal life is a pretty big provision
>>721934774It's not your choice, it's hers. Only a fucking nazi piece of shit thinks they have the right to tell others how to live.
>>721903245I chose it because Aline and Clea were being retarded.
>>721934757>Sorry anon, we just found out you have an entire civilisation living in your subconscious>It is illegal for you to imagine any new things into that reality without a permit or you will be fined $10,000 a day until they are removed
>>721934774hell no, but i was only arguing as devil's advocate to the original reply. I didn't side with maelle because she should be able to do whatever she wants. I sided with maelle because >>721934324my last reply to that guy (assumedly that guy) was >>721934232
>>721934856Alright solid bait honestly, made it too obvious with that one though
>>721934209>Verso live a happy life.>Verso fucks Lune and they have a kid.Neither of these things are true. The ending makes it very clear Verso is furious but also powerless to do anything.
>>721918859Normal people do that just by living.
won't the dad just go back into the painting?
vershit untermenschen are programmable cattle. they chose his ending because the faggot devs warped everything about the story to benefit his choice.bet you fools are vaxxmaxxed too.
>>721934209>Verso lives a happy lifeYeah I see it. Here's him living his happy life right now!
>>721934928But everyone in the painting already died before either ending, anon.
>>721935107and they can be brought back. As is the power of God(s).
>>721935096>make a story where the character you control's main priority is to take care and save maelle>ending is about what you think her ending should be>go for the ending that isn't a suicide in a dollhouse>also her dad is right and the man needs a win after 67 years of arguing with his insane, delusional wife
>>721935204No, they literally cannot. This is explained multiple times. Sciel and Lune got brought back, everyone else was just remade in the image of a dead person.
>>721935204Yeah, so well the ending doesn't have different designs, clothes and the only thing she even bothered to fix was the opera house.For fucks sake she removed verso's scar because her brother didn't have it but didn't even bother giving gustave a real arm, that's how little she cares.
>>721935096Maelle ending is literally a slow suicide cope that not only hurts her, it also hurts everyone around her. She literally creates (or defaces) an entire world and thousands of innocent people just to reinforce her delusion of Verso still being alive, and will drag them all down with her as she slowly goes insane.
>>721935282remade by her because their chroma was fucked, but Clea and Aline can reform them perfectly.Clea and Aline, the (s) in God(s).
>>721935209>also her dad is right and the man needs a win after 67 years of arguing with his insane, delusional wifeWhich is unfortunate because thats basically means hes doubling the amount of average arguing with your insane delusional wife most normal men also have to do.
>>721935282Where was it explained?
>>721934880I love how the whole family is wrapper up in this stupid BS and Clea is having non of it and just off handling shit IRL. Clea best girl.
>>721935448The whole thing with Alicia having to capture the chroma of Sciel and Lune before it returned to the lifestream and got mixed up with everything there. Everyone else is just a copy, at best.
I really liked Verso's ending, everyone feels like shit, is sad and depressed, but they still go to his grave.Alicia specially since she's hugging esquie, who you should hug if you feel sad.It showed a good first step for the whole family.
>>721935408No, they can't either. Painters creations are shaped by the perceptions of the painter. Alicia reveals this when she tells Painted Verso that Aline was mad at Renoir so she made Painted Renoir more of an asshole than Real Renoir.
>>721935508She's just as dumb as everyone in that family. She whines about her parents fighting, yet all she does is extend it.
>>721919857Do you think it's a coincidence that the time she existed as Alicia and the time she existed as Maelle are both exactly 16 years?
Verso gets to fuck Sciel, I'm glad he's dead.
>>721935512>lifestreamWhat the fuck are you talking about?
>>721935630Women amirite fellas!?!?
>>721935630even in your own sentence that can be attributed to her WANTING to make him that way. The Dessendres are world renowned in their ability to paint, and there's nothing to support the two couldn't do it. There's only support that Maelle CANT do it.
>>721935448To add to >>721935512, why do you think Alicia doesn't bring back Gustave aling with Lune and Sciel if its as simple as just repainting them?
>>721935690>Cutting off moms power so dad can win is extending it actually.
>>721919857That's why it's called Maelle, you bury the shit out of her delusions and play pretend in verso's ending and Maelle dies.Just like lumiere in the prologue, gustave in act 1 and real verso in act 2.
>>721935842Yes, she could cut the gommage timing in half by helping her dad or let Aline push him out. Instead all she does is the bare minimum by creating Nevrons.
>>721935770Chroma is just like a magical energy that exists in the painting that painters use to make shit. Its a collective essence and when some dies their chroma returns to it and it mixes with all the other chroma. However when you're gommaged you chroma is just fucking gone and once it disperses its gone forever.
>>721935842>it takes dad 100 years to win>bothered to dive in so verso had to look after her sisterClea should simply ask for backup and then dive enough so that she just razes the canvas to the ground
Why did Maelles ending have a 6 hour VR cutscene of Gus filling her tight 16 year old pussy full of french chroma cum?
>>721934648>>721934787>>721934962>>721935106That's your opinion, nobody forced him to have a kid and he always wanted to play the piano. Just because he is a bit conflicted doesn't mean it's worse than him being dead forever.
>>721936081>forced him to have a kidDo you honestly believe that's his kid?
>>721936027>chroma dispersesWhere tf does it disperse to? This is never explained in-game.
>>721936081He didn't have a kid what schizo rambling are you shitting on about? The child with Lune is one of Gustave's apprentices.
>>721903245>3) Other reasonsIt's always other reasons and the other reasons are always that the player has unresolved issues with men in their family and cope by harming fictional vidya men.
>>721936061>GusPlease, the moment Alicia took over she couldn't care less. You just know she made verso fuck her at least once.
I can't help but feel like act 3 really glossed over the whole needing chroma to fight Renoir aspect as quickly as possible. They could have just made it so you needed like half of the Expedition diaries and the last 2 Axons to fight the final boss and then made the final boss like twice as hard.
>>721936035 Clea wouldn’t raze anything because she still believes in the "integrity of the work" or whatever bullshit excuse she uses to justify never actually doing anything decisive. She’s caught up in the same cycle as the rest of them – trying to "preserve" when the real solution was obliteration. All she had to do was say "screw the canvas," call in the Turin commune, and force the chroma to collapse inward. Instead, we get 12 hours of her monologuing about "what mother would have wanted."
>>721936220Outside of the presentation the final boss is honestly kind of shitty. His moves are kind of bland and his design is very plain.
>>721936220Renoir is balanced around you doing the side quests, and only the side quests, before fighting him. That or you just fiddle with the hp/damage settings.
>>721926020Of course that's the case, but you shouldn't pick an ending with that in mind.
>>721936164Holy shit, another faceblind anon. Let me guess, you thought Verso and Gustave were the same person, too?
>>721936434Nta but I was waiting for some kind of stinger that revealed Gus had some relevance that would attract Maelle like a botched attempt at making another brother or some shit
There's two possibilities in Maelle's ending:>Very little time has passed at all, in which case the world is doomed as Maelle is already crumbling mentally>A significant amount of time has passed, in which case the world is doomed as Maelle has left the city in an identical state of ruin except for the opera house, and now her mind is crumbling.In both interpretations of Maelle's ending, and Verso's ending, the lumierens are done. Their tragedy is a constant, established at the beginning of the game with the first gommage and continued throughout the entire narrative. There's no avoiding it, no one saves them. The best case scenario for a couple of them, Lune and Sciel, is that they can find closure in their prolonged life at the expense of further breaking the Dessendres. Conversely, Verso's snuffs them out to give the same chance to the Dessendres by reuiniting the surviving family members. Endingniggers will continue to seethe (especially maellefags for some reason) but neither ending is happy. It's just a good game that gives you feels.
>>721936434They have the same features but they also show one of Lune's apprentices in the cutscene when you return to Lumiere after defeating the paintress, it's probably that kid.
>>721934534But He does? Your continued existence is proof of this.
>>721903245I picked both endings to see them both. The game's writing does a pretty good job of muddying up moral clarity by telling us the game's reality is false, but from the player's perspective, it is just as real as the world outside the painting, and Verso's ending is dooming Sciel and Luna to death as well, who are clearly living people with their own minds. Both endings are twisted in their own way. People forget that to Maelle, the painting was real up until she got her memories back. I still think the Verso ending is the better of the two for Maelle and Verso, but how can someone not feel conflicted about the fate of the rest of the party?
>>721936163the chroma pool, the magic paint energy. everything comes from it and returns to it
>>721936163When you breathe out where do you think your breath goes?
>>721936983>but how can someone not feel conflicted about the fate of the rest of the party?Because they're fucked either way, but they suffer more in Maelle's ending.
>>721936983Poor Lune
>>721936983The funny part is that if you actually bother to analyze Alicia in act three, she's EXTREMELY aware she doesn't consider anything of that real and is only useful for her verso cope.>you are real>to me!
>>721903245Lunes feet must survive at any cost
>>721936163>This is never explained in-game.Because it's not important. Chroma is basically matter and energy, the stuff the canvas universe is made of. Painters give it form, be that rocks or living things. He's wrong about dispersed chroma being gone forever, it just goes back to whoever made it disperse, allowing them to use it to exert influence on the world in some other form if they so desire.
>>721937268You can turn a person in the canvas into a chair, and they'll be the exact same thing, chroma wise.It's funny.
>>721936983I think the game does a fine job highlighting Maelles ending as bad. In Verso's ending it may all die, but they're all going to die anyway and Maelle doesn't even take any real responsibility, she wants to perpetuate the painting as long as possible for the sake of her playing make believe. Maybe if Maelle at least commit to grommaging or doing what she can to upkeep the painting it could be seen as a bittersweet "at least we get to live as long as we do" but everyone in the painting already being fucking dead anyhow to be brought back wrong certainly tells you immediately that Maelles ending is the bad ending.
>>721937165It's kind of unclear, she has a mini crisis stemming from her remembering both her real and fake childhoods.
>>721936983>but how can someone not feel conflicted about the fate of the rest of the party?Anyone not feeling conflicted about the ending is a retard, period. They only put any thought into conclusions they already agreed with, to "win harder" an argument in their own head. There's not a good ending because most details are left up to the player's interpretation. The game is a window and a mirror. It's extremely obvious what they were going for but part of the appeal is how, like the world itself being artficial, this can still be missed by people who engage with art on nothing but a surface level (aka brainlets)>>721937268A sufficiently powerful entity in our world could rearrange your constituent matter and do the same thing.
>>721937434As soon as she wakes up in act iii, alicia's in charge and has decided the canvas is her home. Verso and Renoir both catch it and have "here we fucking go again" moments.>>721937473meant to quote >>721937341
>>721937268I don't think it goes back to whoever made it disperse, at least not inherently. Aline had the lion's share of chroma because she had outsized skill in forming it. It's the whole reason that Clea had to pull her bullshit to cut Aline off.
>>721937473>Anyone not feeling conflicted about the ending is a retard, periodWhere's the conflict? Everyone in the painting already died in both endings, but Maelle's path just makes shit worse for literally everyone. It even brings more people into existence just to fill out her delusional fantasy
>>721937473>a suffuciently powerful entityYeah but as in the painting, if someone atom-blasted a person the atoms and energy would still exist. There's a finite amount of chroma in the canvas, it is the stuff of reality there. It doesn't disperse, it just undifferentiates.
>>721931918it took me quite a bit of time to get used to verso after gustave got kakyoin'd. didn't really start using him until monoco station. my mains were maelle, sciel, lune. i'd switch sciel out with gustave & verso depending on what the fight needed or my mood. monoco i only used whenever i fought a new enemy to get new skills then shelf him lol.
>>721937591>I don't think it goes back to whoever made it disperse, at least not inherently.Well yeah but whoever's doing it clearly has the option to claim it, which is why Renoir's gommages bring chroma to him and Aline has pRenoir erase people to return chroma to herself.>>721937668see >>721936692I'm of the belief that Lune and Sciel are the only ones she reeeeeally brought back.
>>721937737>It doesn't disperse, it just undifferentiates.Splitting hairs a bit, I don't think people hung up on the word choice are really disagreeing on anything but vocabulary.
>>721937784>I'm of the belief that Lune and Sciel are the only ones she reeeeeally brought back.They are because the game specifically shows you Alicia grabbing Sciel and Lune's chroma the moment they get gommaged.
>>721937668This. There WAS a conflict of "I want all the painting people to live" but that time has passed by the time you're making any executive decisions. You're picking between Verso who just wants to fucking die either A. Finally fucking dying or B. being subjugate to a worse paintress where your will is just whatever is the most pleasing to a forever 16 year old before she eventually goes insane and dies
>>721937853I took your verbiage as though the chroma is destroyed.
>>721938058Oh, I wasn't the one who used the word dispersed I just think I didn't take as much issue with it as you because I got what he meant. Rendered to a state less in tact that Lune's and Sciel's.
>creates a funny fantasy creature friend that is a living thinking being>enters puberty and stops caring about him forever, he never sees her again>dumps a horrific monster plague on the canvas world>expresses nothing but cold disdain for painted humans>specifically sentences her painted version and her lover to decades of hell"Fuck chromiggers" -Clea
>>721903245>>721903516>>721903559>>721904489>>721905013>>721905261>>721907165People who think Verso's ending is the good one are literally mindless, retarded sheep.The ending choice is a social experiment. The devs are checking to see how many people they can goad into justifying horrible genocide and suffering, by presenting the bad ending - where the villain wins, everyone dies and Maelle is doomed to a horrible life - in a good light via emotionally manipulative cinematography and framing, while doing the inverse with the good ending where everyone lives happily ever after except the asshole who tried to cause the bad ending.Turns out, about half the population are literally brainless NPCs who can be this easily manipulated with simple emotional tricks. This is why we get things like Nazi Germany. It's you, the sheep half of the population.
>>721938338>genocideThe painting people are dead, the copies are not 1:1 with their former selves, they might not even be as sentient as the painting people were. At best we're looking at a Soma Simon 3 or Simon 4 situation
>>721938470This is the conclusion I also came up with, Maelle just doesn't have the juice.
>>721938312>oh my parents made paintings of me>these are shit, I'm gonna ruin themImmense talent in the hands of a bitter woman
>>721936168lmao found one >>721938338
>>721903245The real-life consequences of Maelle escaping reality is that Maelle doesn't have to live a life of horrible pain and suffering as a half-blind and mute cripple. That's the ONLY consequence. Nothing bad happens to anyone. Oh, and it also saves an entire world of living beings who have just as much right to live as the outside world humans.You are fucking retarded.
>>721938587>savesThey're already dead by then
>>721938587>nothing bad happens to everyoneExcept she's dead in a couple of months and the family is ALREADY having trouble grieving just one of their kids. Hell, Alicia is Renoir's favorite and he's already going scorched earth just for his wife.
>>721938587>half-blindthe difference between two and one eyes is a fraction of the width of the distance between one eye and no eyes. You know this, of course, but have to embellish as many details as possible because you don't actually believe what you're saying, you're just having an emotional melty.
>>721938470>>721938514Even if the people of Lumiere aren't, Sciel and Lune definitely are. That's at least two people saved in that ending and no people saved in Verso's ending. No, killing an entitled, depressed asshole is not "saving" him.And even if you disregard the painted people entirely, that reduces it to a choice between Maelle living a happy life or a life of suffering. STILL an easy choice if you aren't emotionally manipulated by the cinematography.
>>721938338Then explain this woman who is crying because she wants to choose Verso's ending at all costs. Women are not evil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_hYSFaVuBE&t=112523h07
>>721938587>Oh, and it also saves an entire world of living beings*>*one opera houseMaelle can't even save an apartment building that's in disrepair, she's not bringing a single human back that she didn't know very closely.
>>721938774>Women are not evilWork on your bait brother
>>721938773>no people saved in Verso's endingAlicia is :)
>>721938674Lune and Sciel aren't, and even if you don't care about the painted people, it still saves Maelle.
>>721938773>That's at least two people saved in that ending and no people saved in Verso's endingVerso's ending saves Maelle and her family. The people in the painting are fucked no matter what.
There is a certain beauty in the theme Maelles ending, where you're going to drive yourself insane and kill yourself trying to do something far beyond the scope of your capabilities and clinging to an illusion, but it's still the bad ending
>>721938773>no people saved in Verso's endingnow tell us your headcanon about the family still hating each other and alicia killing herself
>>721938928Maelle IS Alicia. She's the same person. A 32 year old eternal teenager that went through puberty twice and learned nothing.
>>721938974>even the song is in a different key and just sounds wrongMaelle's ending is one of the most kino things ever in a video game
>>721938704>Except she's dead in a couple of monthsFan fiction. Her mother was in there for ages and was just fine. And most people would choose a shorter but happy life over a long life of misery.>>721938774Women tend to be more easily emotionally manipulated and more often act based on feelings instead of reason, no surprise there.>>721938919Alicia is utterly miserable and crippled for life in the real world. Being inside the painting is what saves her.
How was Sciel planning to explain to her husband that she fucked the guy that was one degree removed from being responsible for his death.
>>721939174As other anons have stated, Maelle doesn't have the juice, her ending shows that she's already losing her grip shortly thereafter
>>721939174Being inside the painting kills her, and you said killing someone isn't saving them regardless of their quality of life. So, sorry! You proved yourself wrong, verso's ending saves alicia :)
>>721939091It's more kino when you interpret it in the way that Maelle didn't even get to finish Verso's first performance like she promised
>>721938959>>721939012Maelle is doomed to a life of misery in Verso's ending, and the rest of her family is saved regardless. Renoir accepted her choice.
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>>721939178Sciel is one of the most dead inside characters I've ever seen, at least until her family's (possible) revival is on the table
>>721939174>her mother was in there for agesI'm talking about real time in the real world where she's going to keel over and be scraped up by her family.>long life of miseryShe has magic powers, she's from a rich family, and she isn't even severely disfigured. She can live thousands of years making her own canvases of infinite beauty, instead of clinging to the corpse of her brother through impotently attempting to recreate his. No matter how many jets of hot ejaculate she sends into the theater seat, she's still squandering everything.
>>721939309Don't care, verso and Renoir are adults, Maelicia is a child, sorry Ariel but the land dwellers are dangerous.
>>721939309She's doomed to suffer in both endings, true, but the Verso ending at least gives her a chance of recovery. Her ending is just living in a fantasy world until she withers away and goes insane at the same time.
>>721939178Pierre died in a fucking accident, not the gommage.>>721939309>renoir accepted her choiceHe explicitly didn't, he's just deluded himself to think he misjudged her and that she'll eventually emerge from the canvas.
>>721939309>MaelleWho? It's Alicia out there, anon, looks like you're as confused about who people are as she is!>>721939174Alicia is crazy before her ending cinematic even happens. She believes painted verso is real verso. She's done, toasted, gg.
>>721939363She literally doesn't even consider fucking Verso until after she finds out Pier could be brought back to life, then she throws him a pity lay. It's like she didn't even consider being a whore until being a whore is what she would be.
>>721939269>>721939248Fan fiction interpretation. No one knows how long Maelle can stay in the painting, no one knows that she doesn't simply leave once things get bad enough. Her ending is full of possibilities. Verso's ending is not up for debate, it kills everyone, the end.
>>721939548>NOONE KNOWSeveryone knows it's not long
>>721939484What? She throws pussy at him in act 2, by act 3 she can continue to huck cunt but the option already popped up twice. Only Lune holds out for act 3.
>>721939091it's probably my favorite ending to a game
>>721939548Tell me about your father Anon. Are you actually >>721936168 ? I feel like I've seen you in a lot of threads
>>721939647>picking the bad ending on purpose because I enjoy a good case of the sadsKino
>>721939474>He explicitly didn't, he's just deluded himself to think he misjudged her and that she'll eventually emerge from the canvas.You don't know that she won't. And even if she doesn't, that's her choice, and a choice that saves a lot of people.
>>721939752Is 2 a lot now? I will concede it's the biggest whole number immediately after 1
>>721939673No one cares about retarded schizo nonsense like this, contribute or fuck off.
>>721939752>You don't know that she won't.She lied about ever wanting to leave and by the time we see her ending she's to crazy to ever do it herself. It's one of the few details not up for debate, Alicia is NEVER leaving willingly. You are simply wrong. At the heigh of her lucidity, when she wakes up at the beginning of act 3, she is already calling the canvas her home. By the final fight, she's calling painted Verso her brother. She's done.>>721939839sorry he left anon, he should've stayed in your life. assuming you're actually his kid
>Maelles ending has her betray Gustave's will of killing the paintress, and thus donning the mantle of the very thing he naively sought to destroy
>>721939752>a choice that saves a lot of people.they're all already gone for good, and they can't be brought back because their chroma already went back to the source. Pay attention. At best she can save Sciel and Lune and even that won't last for long, and probably leads to a lot of suffering for them.
>>721939814Even saving 2 people is pretty good, and that's the absolute worst and most callous interpretation of it, an interpretation that disregards Esquie, Monoco and the Gestrals as having any worth as living beings, let alone the population of Lumiere.
>>721939752Anon by the end she has deluded herself into thinking of pVerso as Verso, herself as herself before the fire, and is actively forcing people to play along with her delusion.>and it saves a lot of peopleIt recreates three (veracity unknown) and preserves two. It also saves the Gestral and Grandis I suppose, but neither of them really care.
>>721939962>Maelle saves 2 people and births thousands of Walmart self checkout kiosks dressed as people
>>721940005>an interpretation that disregards Esquie, Monocopeople who helped verso destroy the canvas>Gestralscute but retarded, they don't care at all about their own fate> let alone the population of Lumiere.Already gone and not coming back, canonically.
>>721940005>pretty goodOnly to be catapulted into purgatory where the god-queen doesn't even let you age until she keels over in a few decades. God knows what happens then.
>GUSTAVES BACK!!! >Nustave: please insert cash or select payment type
>>721939883This post really exemplifies what kind of over-emotional morons think the Verso ending is the good one. Can't even hold a rational argument, instead goes on insane tangent about daddy issues.
>>721940104>oh how I've missed you, Gustave!>Unexpected item in bagging area
>>721939752>You don't know that she won't.I bet you believe alcoholics and heroin addicts when they say they can quit whenever they want.
>>72194010There's not a good ending, you're just projecting your desire to call an ending good onto me, like you project your hatred for your father onto renoir.
