How big was Pokemania back in the day? I'm a zoomer so I only started playing during Gen 3.
You could go to any playground at any neighborhood and battle or trade with any kids there.
imagine fortnite+minecraft combined
>>721915303It was really big until G/S killed it.
>>721915303You could get plushies at KFC.
>>721915303So large that even the boomers had to have an opinion on Pokémon.
>>721915303It was the biggest shit ever. Nothing before or after has ever compared to how big gen 1 Pokemon was.
>>721916326Not even Pokemon Go?
>>721915303You truly believed you could be the best like no one ever was
>>721916420Pokémon Go was fun and all but it was a different time and the first hype era was much larger.
>>721915303I'm pretty sure the only thing to ever come close to it was original star wars, but I wasn't alive for that one to compare. There was pokemon themed EVERYTHING, games, toys, fucking food and vitamins. I still vividly remember that bus commercial.
>>721916420Pokemon go was a shadow of what pokemania was. There has literally never been anything this millennia that compares.
>>721915303imagine literally every kid you know, and every kid you don't know, being interested in the same thing at the same time
>>721915303this cover goes hard as fuck, it will never not amaze me
>>721915303Think of the hype during Pokémon GO, multiply it around 50 times and you get roughly how big it was.
>>721917258iirc the dude who made it for TIME just liked Poliwhirl a lot which is why it's in the centre.
>>721915894>until G/S killed itNah that would be ruby and sapphire. The third pokemon movie is where I would draw the line, and that hit the states in early 2001.
>>721917513I can't find the person who made it. Wanted to see more covers or illustrations
>>721915821I don't even think that would be enough. Neither of those IPs have shows, movies, or a trading card game.
>>721915894How did Gold and Silver (Crystal) kill it?
>>721917513Whatever he says, I won't believe him. He put in the center to drive home the sensational assertion it's hypnotizing the kids.
>>721917928>movies
>>721917258Is it the old school vintage nature of the cover? Because I would agree it gives it a certain charm of a bygone era in time.
>>721915894Gen 3 did it
>>721918031Oh yeah I forgor. Still, it wouldn't be enough.
God I'm so glad I grew up with Pokémon and dragon ball z man zoomers have it rough I never truly realized bro my entire childhood was defined by Pokémon and toonami shit no wonder they all become trannies and shoot up schools when they lack Pokémon and instead have fortnite and streamers and reddit instead of Pokémon dbz and going outside and not being glued to a phone
>>721915894Gen 3 killed it>t. 35 and was autistically obsessed with Pokémon until ruby and sapphire ruined everything about the series in one fell swoop, removing all SOVL in the process G/S pokemania was even bigger than Gen 1. I remember all the Pokémon magazines. All talking about pokesex and the controversy. I remember getting my platinum mew card for Pokémon 2000 faggot. I remember my middle school obsessed with lugia and ho oh and marill and togepi. Nobody ever cared about Gen 3 except Mays fat titties. Gen 3 and 5 killed the series. 1 2 and 4 are SOVL (even if only platinum is fun to play due to speed)
>>721915303The anime and the card collecting were big. Everything else paled in comparison.
>>721915303Probably the most popular thing ever for a brief period of time, everyone had the cards even the fake ones, and alot of people had the Gameboy and N64 game, but it died off pretty quickly after the movie, I went on the release night with my cousins and there was lines out the door (this was just some crappy local cinema too) I remember everything pokemon related was banned at schools because it always got stolen or kids got into fights over whatever it was, but they had events in shopping centers and you'd get pokemon stuff with everything, chips, takeaway meals, with magazines, if you did a book order thing you'd have to wait longer because they were always out of stock...really crazy stuff probably why go was so popular for like a month
>>721915303When ash gave Pikachu away to be with his other friend Pikachus I got on the bus at 7am or w/e crying and got beat up on the bus for it and then had my Gameboy stolen>>721915303
>>721915303It was the single biggest fad I experienced in childhood. Nothing else came close. Literally every kid in school, boys and girls, other random kids you met. Everyone was into Pokémon in some capacity whether it was the games or cardsMy mom owned a small business in the same shopping center as a toy store, and everyday after school there were always dozens of kids there trading cards. I would beg her daily for $3 to buy a booster pack like a little crack addict
>>721918642>Probably the most popular thing ever for a brief period of timePokemon is still the highest-grossing global franchise.
>>721915303Roblox is far bigger with kids than Pokemon, Runescape or whatever millennial slop ever was.
>>721915894Wrong. It was gen 3. Though, the true nail in the coffin was when The Pokemon Company replaced all the original English voice actors in the anime.
>>721915894G/S was possibly the peak in my hood, almost everyday when kids were hanging out, they were playing together Gen 1/2, fighting, trading etc. I barely recall people playing Gen 3, the mania was over around its time, at least in my place.
>>721919298You're misremembering. It continued in the form of cards but normalfags didn't buy gen 2 games. Only the weirdos who now I know were clearly autistic kept playing.
It was incomparable. Star Wars and TMNT were also very big for kids in the 80s and early 90s, but it was the inherent collecting aspect of pokemon that really put it over the top.
>>721919509I find the people who had that experience with GS started with gen 2. Every subsequent gen for over a decade had kids who did the same.
>>721919816Those franchises mostly only attracted boys though, Pokemon had the cute factor that pulled in girls too.
>>721918536I'm 37 and nobody except me and my little brother was still into pokemon when gen 2 hit.
Half of this thread is Pokemon card scalpers in their late 30s
>>721915303It wasn't insane in my country, but it was a fad, none the less>Cartoon airing almost exact same time as the red/blue/yellow released>immediately sold millions due to the cartoon and portable gaming being like a walking ad among children in schools & camps>supermarkets, kiosks and gas stations all start selling pokemon toys through gacha machines and or selling "lootbox"-adjacent pokeballs with candy and figurine inside>trading card game that was simpler and than shitty Yugioh or magic>cereal box CDs>Magazines>toys toys and more toys
>>721919509True, cards were a thing, I still remember that, but hype for the games ceased around Gen 3, at least for me. All the kids who could afford gameboy and the game were playing Gen 2 (except one buddy who had Gen 1 and was popular due to having access to mons like Sqrtl, Charmander and Bulb). I recall 1 person playing Gen 3 when it was out, but people moved on at that point. Not saying my experience means things were like that everywhere, somewhere else it might've been different.
>>721918804I only knew one neet that I worked with that was obsessed with pokemon, id say it grosses so high because of freaks like him who spend all of their money on that shit like those faggots who collect pop vinyls and labubus
>>721915303I want to go back.
>>721915894>everyone saying Gen 3 killed itYou don't sell 7,000,000 less copies than the prior game and have the worst selling third version in the franchise history because you kept the torch alive.
>>721915303In 1998 literally everyone was playing pokemon. My friend's mom played through blue to make sure it was suitable for him after there was a moral panic. Boomers were playing pokemon.
>>721915303>all these people saying Gen 3 killed itPeople loved Emerald.Diamond and Pearl were forgettablemons and felt gimmicky with a copy paste story.
>>721920148Ash saw a lot of giant Pokemon in the original series
>>721920148bigachu........
>>721917513Poliwhirl was the original mascot before the release of the game, thats why it was everywhere in the early marketing.
>>721915303I was great like everything else was back then, i do truly feel sorry for the slop zoomers and gen alpha have today
>>721921406>Poliwhirl was the original mascot before the release of the gameThat was Clefairy.It's just one of the creators favourite pokemon. That's all.
>>721916420Anon, the only reason Pokemon Go got so much attention was because of how popular Pokemon was in the past. Pokemania was genuinely so big that it's wave could still be rided all those years later.
>>721915894gen 3 did it. Johto had so many of the original mons and kantooooo built in. Gen 3 had to get kantoooooo remakes to fix that.
>>721919176No one knows what Robox is lil brohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises?useskin=vector
>millennial fad good>alphie fads badLooking back at it, Pokemon cartoon was really low quality. Trading cart art was lazy, but I guess being part of something was nice.
I was a little too old for it but I bought red and a clearance price gameboy just to play it in like 1998 out of FOMO. Definitely had more fun with it than when I got FOMO'd into buying a late clearance N64 and OoT the next year or a late Gamecube and Metroid Prime a few years later.
>>721915303gen 3 did it. had to buy a new much pricier game boy to play it (big killer there), the anime became a downgrade and the card game went through its first structure reset and killed the good trainer cards
Pokemania died between Gen 2 and Gen 3 so both can be dismissed as shit. One introduced fucking baby Pokemon, the other just had shit designs all around.
>>721919816Legitimately funny (in a New Yorker chuckle sort of way) and the western artist drew Pikachu charmingly and accurately while still maintaining their own personal style in 1999. I’m impressed
>>721918182>>721918536>>721919289>721919298>721920367>>721921673>>721922565What's with the Gen III hate? RSE were solid.
>>721922847the games were alright but the novelty had worn off. after gen 4 the size of the pokemon fanbase wouldn't change again till the summer of pokemon go in 2016
>>721922847my first gen I grew up with = goodgen that came out after I grew out of pokemon = bad
If you weren't there at the time you can't really comprehend how big it was. There has never been a more popular all encompassing thing than prime Pokemania, nothing even comes close.
>>721923058i remember going to the mall as a kid in 1999 and most every single store had some kind of pokemon merch
Man, I wish I could experience this time again.
>>721915894this guy is actually right. claiming pokemon gold/silver was your favorite game was social suicide. if you didn't say OOT or final fantasy was your favorite you were seen as a child and completely shunned from society. even though we all saw pokemon 2000 in theaters and we all played gold and silver, it was the "growing up" stigma that fucked it over. GBA was fine, the DS remakes of G/S were fucking peak, the series really didn't need to continue from there. 3DS era was alright, pretty unimpressive. and most people my age gave up on the switch era. i have no idea what the pokemon franchise is doing right now
>>721922982>pokemon goWhat a passing fad that was, it was insanely popular only for something like... a week?
For anons who lived through pokemaniaHas there been anything after it that is comparible? Like Minecraft was also everywhere back in the 2010s , and you had everyone playing it to hell and back , would Minecraft be a contender?
>>721920946People didn’t buy Crystal because they already had G/S, that’s also around when the original kids outgrew the franchise and “edgier” stuff started getting more popular with kids. Also having Ash break off from Brock and Misty killed a lot of western interest in the show as well as doing a reset on his Pokemon.
>>721923552nokids were not putting on their minecraft socks and minecraft shoes and minecraft underwear and minecraft jeans and minecraft tshirt and minecraft jacket with a minecraft backpack and minecraft lunchbox before going to school each day
>>721923552The closest is probably Harry Potter
>>721923552Not even in the same order of magnitude. Minecraft, even at its peak, was a popular videogame with a bit of merch. Pokemon was saturated into society to the point that you couldn't escape it.Put another way, Pokemon has made about as much money from selling airplane accessories on branded flights as minecraft has made period.
>>721915303Think about pokèmon go, people in their 30-40-50s were running around like retards and that should've been enough proof to understand what was pokèmon back then. Fenomenal marketing and appeal. And don't listen to the underage retards on this site, gen 4 was when shit started to slow down a bit, but until then it was fucking massive.
A good example of how big pokemania was is when Pokémon Go to the Polls released.
>>721923443Because all you could do during that week was catch Pokemon and literally nothing else because the devs were totally incompetentffs you couldn't even TRADE
>>721915303On a cultural level I don't think it's that different from today. Back then all the kids had Pokemon shirts, today all the millennials have Pokemon car decals/mirror ornaments.
>ywn live to see pokemon dethroned, instead milked until you die alongside every other big franchise while any new trends and properties get repeatedly killed in the crib
>>721917541Nope. It died around the time of Crystal and Masuda was worried about if Pokémon was even still popular.
>>721923552Bronies. Before everyone starts bitching, take a headcount of how many franchises have their own dedicated board on this site.
>>721922139>https://romonitorstats.com/platform/>daily active users: 88.9 millionUh huh.
>>721923976Steal a Brainrot is the new Pokemon actually.
For you euros, was Pokemania a thing? I know that Nintendo and Europe didn't have (still kinda don't) good relationships and Nintendo was even less popular than SEGA there.
>>721923801Harry potter was pretty popular enough to get videogames but aside about that I don't know , felt like it was more of a fad than anything else , like the Homestuck of the 2000's
>>721924359this is literally what I mean, it's already struggling because of copyright disputes over fucking AI generated characters stupid kids are making and adding
>>721924359Thanks for outing yourself as underage.
>>721923552NEOPETS was pretty big at one point around the same time, selling merch in stores and there was at least a game. Nowhere near pokemon of course. It is interesting to note that neopets was more popular than google.
>>721924235"Everyone played them" is meaningless when your world in 1998 was like 60 other kids. Poketrannies wish they had this level of engagement.
>>721924598Having surface level knowledge of extremely popular fads doesn't make you underage.
>>721923552Nah. As big as Minecraft was, Pokemon was orders of magnitude more popular at its peak. It's hard to describe just how ubiquitous it was, everywhere sold Pokemon stuff. The cartoon hit at about the same time as the games, then there were cards everywhere, a movie was coming out, you could walk into any shop and buy Pokemon themed anything from food to clothes. Every kid was into it regardless of if they could play the games, you could walk up to any kid be it at school or just on the street and no matter who they were you could talk about Pokemon. There's a reason it's the single most profitable franchise of all time.
>>721924742>>721924235*including bots and indiansMeanwhile go walk the street and ask someone what's Roblox.
>>721924808Minecraft had far more reach and overall influence was far greater. Pokemon felt bigger because your world was far smaller.
>>721924783You compared that shit to pokèmon and that means you don't know what you're talking about. Pokèmon was fucking EVERYWHERE. There was no kid without bags/tshirs/gadget and whatever the fuck that wasn't pokèmon branded and dont' forger the fact that internet wasn't as big as it is now.
>>721924848Now prove how many kids who bought the games actually played them.
>>721922139Anon Roblox has more daily users than every game on steam combined.I dont think you have a single iota how fucking big Roblox is.
itt fuming uncs that cant cope with robloxchads
>>721924848biggest fucking copetard itt
>>721924848>Meanwhile go walk the street and ask someone what's Roblox.To be fair most adults would be able to answer it as "that game my kid plays"
I wasn't around for pokemania, but I had older brothers who were. I was an early adopter of stolen nostalgia.>>721922216>Trading cart art was lazyYou take that back right now you son of a bitch.
>>721915894>It was really big until G/S killed it.No, it was normie kids who decided that Pokemon wasn't popular anymore. >>721916037I still have mine in a box somewhere. Damn, it's crazy knowing KFC used to have kid's meals and toys.
>damn you unc you aint a roblox.aka pedo groomer that enjoys the most sloppiest of slop like me
>>72191589439 year old hereyes, confirmation post of higher order than those kidsr, gen 2 is what did it
>>721915303Here in the US it was fucking insane. From like 1999 to 2001 Pokemon shit was everywhere, and I do mean everywhere.
>>721925439>it was normie kids who decided that Pokemon wasn't popular anymoreRight, so during GS, which my older normie brother didn't buy.
>>721915303Dunno. Some nerd got his gameboy broken by a bully before Pokemania hit and the adults washed their hands clean of the affair, word spread and kids just would not bring their gameboys to school when it was supposed to hit.You couldn't even play the TCG without some retard "accidentally" tossing his sportsball into the middle of your match and fucking everything up or hitting someone in the head.Normalfag kids are a fucking blight.
>>721923552No. Along with Pokemon came a lot of other anime into the west, it was really cool. Pokemon, of course was the goat, but you had also Dragonball and stuff like that. And if you stayed up after 10pm you could watch stuff like Outlaw Star jesus christ you have no idea what Aisha did to me.
>>721924918Minecraft's popularity lasted much longer, but it never reached the same level of craze as Pokemon.
>>721915303I was an older teen at the time so I wasn't really caught up in it, but for my younger siblings it was huge.
>>721925151Put it to test bro, ask someone in the streets what's Roblox.
>>721925596And now the vidya/anime nerds are normalfags.
>>721923801Which is just as fucking old grandpa.
>>721915303People were getting shot over the shitKids were stealing.It was in the news often (pokey man)Every single person had Pokemon cards.It was like when the Brits dumped opium on china.Japan recovered from Hiroshima and Nagasaki but we're still reeling from the anime and Pokemon bombs.
>>721915303I have that exact issue somewhere in my garage.
>>721923552Honestly no, I don't think there's a way to adequately convey just how insanely popular Pokemon was at its peak to someone who wasn't around to witness it. Even Minecraft, as popular as it got, could not hold a candle to the cultural phenomenon Pokemon was.
Kill zoomersShitstomp zoomersKick a nigger zoomerMurder a nigger zoomerShit on a nigger zoomerRuin their nigger zoomer futureThey are mutts. They deserve No empathy
>>721925786I asked. He said it's the online game his kids have been obsessed about for years. I asked him what's Pokemon and he shrugged.
>>721920946Note that gold/silver outsold everything else until the switch games came out.G/S did keep the torch alive, the problem was it faded out by crystal and was already on it's way out when Gen 3 came out.
>>721916420Pokemon go was different. It was easy for everyone to get, and it encouraged people to go outside. It had its own unique hype and phenomenon
>>721926096Zoomers are actually kinda based. It's later-decade milennials and gen-y that are fucking awful.
>>721925615>this actually aired>also included a full frontal of her nude, nipples and allI never stood a chance.
I grew up in a small town so this is the small town version:Go to School, lunch break> One group of kids trading Pokemon cards> Another group waiting annoyed around two kids who are currently linked up and battling/trading> Individual kids with their gameboys playing pokemon single playerSchool ends, go to town> Pokemon movie poster around cinema> Local toy store sells Pokemon toys> Game store has Pokemon posters and Gameboy adsGo home, turn on TV> Pokemon anime plays> Pokemon ads for gameboy gamesGo to friend's house> Pokemon strategy guide on the floor while we play on our gameboys> Friend who got an N64 brought it with him, playing Stadium on the side while we all wish our gameboy could display these graphicsIt was weird, video games were Pokemon for a year or so, the same way trading cards were just YuGiOh for a while later on
>>721921494No, clefairy was the original choice for the anime not the mascot.
>>721915303Pokemon was literally inescapable for those first three years. It was on every product, every single collaborative effort that could be made WAS made, it was on nearly every commercial, on every single news report, it was all the kids ever talked about, rooms were full of Pokemon toys and cards, the only game kids ever played was Pokemon, kids begged parents for an N64 JUST so they could play Stadium and see their Gameboy monsters rendered in 3D on the TV, and even all of that just scratches the surface.
>>721926284>scratches the surfaceThis is exaggerating it to hell. Most kids just begged their parents for cards
>>721922847Biggest problem was that you couldn't transfer your old Pokémon onto it. It's understandable from a technical view but explain that to a 12 year old back then.
>>721915894100% this. The Gen 2 babies like to pretend it was part of Gen 1 and Pokemania hype but it was not, Gen 2 was lackluster and basically a lame rehash of Gen 1 which killed all the Hype. People saying it was Gen 3 were not there in the schools when it happened and saw how much people stopped caring after Gen 2 was just a lazy repeat of the first games.
>>721921494No, Clefairy got sidelined before the marketing material actually got made. Poliwhirl was Tajiri's favorite, so it got de facto mascot status by being front and center on a lot of the original prints. Once the games came out in Japan, they realized Pikachu was a better fit and made it the anime star. From there, Pikachu eclipsed everyone else. But the west still got a lot of copy-pasted stuff with Poliwhirl and it was generally well received.
>>721926379I am pretty sure you were able to trade your pokemon up from G/S to the Advanced games.
>>721923552During covid lockdowns basically everyone in my cousin's generation started playing Genshin Impact.
>>721926096I'm fine with shitting on zoomers, but I draw the line at racism.
>>721923801Harry potter is a kind of middle ground. Not as big as pokemon, but bigger than power rangers (the previous big thing) and probably compareable to minecraft with how long-lasting it ended up being.
>>721915303Why does it feel like the posters hyping up Pokemania are 40 year old scalpers attempting to sell off their shit to zoomers?
>>721921257gen 4 has my boyfriend lucario so I'll forgive it even though it's the last gen I could be bothered playing.
>>721915894It never fucking ended, retard. The video games are selling better than they ever have, despite getting shittier with every release. The card game is making a ton of money, too. And the merch is so popular, it sells at inflated prices in permanent international storefronts solely dedicated to Pokemon. Beanie Babies died, Pokemon absolutely did not.
>>721923552It was bigger than Michael Jackson at the time. The only thing that came close was Harry Potter, but that didn't start blowing up in popularity until the movies.
>>721923801Only nerdy girls got into Harry Potter. The fat, unattractive ones. Male nerds thought that shit was faggot garbage.
>>721926625they're just lonely turds who peaked in 2nd grade
>>721926509You can't connect a GBC to a GBA. Only with FireRed and LeafGreen kater one you got the option to get your old mons back.
>>721924713you can tell neopets was huge because of how many people got scammed on it.
>>721926509Nah you couldn't, if you wanted Johto Pokemon you had to get the Colosseum gamesSome guy made his own tool for Gen 2 -> 3 transfers so it wasn't impossiblehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47A6p2hH2gU
>>721926261Stadium is underrated as fuck. Both Stadium games basically complete their respected gens if you or someone you knew had them and enough transfer paks.>battling and trading way fucking easier>Pokemon and item management far more convenient and there's N64 boxes for both Pokemon and items>GB Tower unlocks made grinding and raising Pokemon a lot easier>completing the Gym Leader Castle any time nets you any of the starters, fossils, or Hitmonlee/Hitmonchan, so no having to resort to restarting or getting lucky and trading>the Stadium cups themselves are great for a post-game>obviously the mini-games
>>721926509You're certainty doesn't change the fact that you can't. No combination of games, Gameboys, cables, home consoles, etc. allows you transfer from Pokémon Gen 1 or Gen 2 cartridges to Gen 3 or beyond cartridges.
>>721926792This. They basically completely overhauled how Pokemon data was stored, so even with tools like this, it's debatable if you're still even getting "your" Pokemon.
I feel robbed they didn't even attempt to make pokemon for n64, gamecube, wii..
>>721915894For everyone insinuating this nigga's wrong, he's not quite telling the full picture.Pokemania died about mid-gen 2 for a wide number of reasons, most of which were completely out of Pokemon's control rather than a fault of the franchise itself. (That's not to say it's completely innocent, but the heaviest hitters were unrelated to Pokemon's failings...)Rather, the real culprits of Pokemania's death were>the Nintendo/Sony Consolewars coming to a decisive close with Sony as the de facto winner thanks to the Playstation 2, with Nintendo now being seen as lamer shit for babies>the Star Wars prequels popping up, completely stealing Pokemon's thunder as a multimedia phenomenon as parents could now steer them away from that Japanese Devil with some good ol' sci-fi that THEY grew up onAnd what Pokemon ACTUALLY did wrong was>the anime turning to utter dogshit because of executive meddling, killing the GS Ball payoff that was set up since the end of OS in favor of a Celebi movie; all the while banishing Ash and friends to uninspired filler hell that was neither cool nor funny, plus he kept dropping bros like Charizard to make room for the far less interesting Johto mons>Crystal being an extremely underwhelming third version outside of Japan (where it was pretty huge since it was the first game to have online functionality), whereas Yellow had the novelty of "it's KINDA like the anime" and being able to get all three starters without trading or relying on Stadium>an inherent shift of monster design philosophy to focus on moeshit and simpler designs for the sake of the anime's animators and toy companies making merchandise, leaving a significantly reduced amount of coolmons with the same level of rugged detail and monstrousness as OG 151 classics
>>721926509Gen 3 attempted to use as little gen 1/2 pokemon as possible (by design) because it was a different region. A lot of the old gen pokemon reused were to fill the numbers up so the game didn't feel smaller than the previous ones.Pokemon fans obsession with transfering old pokemon to a newer game was something they should never had fed.
>>721926735>You can't connect GBC to a GBAThis is what probably killed pokemania
I still can recall the favourite Pokemon of each of my friends back then>Bulbasaur>Charizard>Kadabra>Gyarados>Zapdos>Dragonite>GengarI liked Vaporeon.
>muh gen 2 to 3 transferI never understood this. I'd see this everywhere online today but no kid I knew truly gave a shit about catching em all after the gen 1 hype died. They'd beat the elite 4 and drop it or give it away
>>721926986>killing the GS Ball payoffHow dare you remind me?
>>721927249Most faggots seething about it today started with gen 2. It's not like you could complete the dex without RBY or access the Japan-only Celebi event in 2000.
>>721920148Everyone in my class was into Pokémon. Boys and girls played the games, cards, watched the anime and talked about it with each other.
>>721926203NOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOO WHATS HERA GE NOOOOOOOO NOOOOOO SHES A MINOR CANCEL THE PEDO CANCEL THE PEDO
>>721926654Merch and cards are scalped by a few and resold for money laundering. Anime is dead. The games were dying before they got the covid bonus. Red/blue are still the best sellers by a large margin. Pokemon will never reach that peak again.
>>721915303mega big. >>721915894nice revisionism but no.
people always forget the fad was done by the end of 2000 and by 2001 it was firmly behind DBZ and Yu gi oh
Why are there no good Pokemon games? The old ones were good for the time, but that time has come and gone and they've agred poorly. Why are Gamefreak so insistent on delivering the absolute worst dogshit possible every single time?
>>721916663They still have Pokemon themed food items. Cereal, pasta, crackers, anything. It's just not literally every item anymore, and that's mostly because they're more careful about who they work with rather than a lack of demand.
>>721923552Nothing. Pokémon was everywhere. You could talk to a random kid on the street and spend an hour talking about the games, anime, card, whatever you wanted as long as it was about Pokémon.
>>721927815Because why bother putting effort when you're guaranteed to sell 15 million copies at the bare minimum, anyway, the kind of numbers that most developers would kill for and often far exceed the lifetime sales of other franchises?
>>721915303very
>>721927815Black and White and their sequels and HeartGold and SoulSilver are genuinely the best the series ever got. I sold my copy of SoulSilver for $250 on eBay.
>>721927853>video game sales>mario 32b>pokemon 28blmao. this is like when poketurds "boycott" the games but spend $500 on plushies
>>721927815They never had to make any. Game Freak was always limited by the hardware and their own incompetence. 3DS and then the HD era showed that they simply couldn't or didn't give a shit..Anyone who grew up during peak Pokemon and played the Stadium games and MAYBE even Colosseum can tell you how disappointing it is that mainline Pokemon hasn't been able to impress like we thought it eventually would. Seeing your Pokemon animated in full color 3D was amazing, and we still have animations in the mainline games where they just shift slightly.
>>721928129Pokemon's selling power has ALWAYS been with the merch ever since it debuted, dude. There's a reason that even to this day the TCG is still a hotspot for scalpers, and online iterations like TCG Pocket make serious bank off of microtransactions.
>>721926986huh. the favorites of most girls i knew were the pet-like g1 mons like Meowth, Growlithe, Vulpix, ESPECIALLY Eevee, and then there's the overweight fantasy nerd who loved Charizard because it's a dragon.The only outlier is my own sister who loves Koffing's goofy smile. She still has her Koffing plush in her room even though she's in her late 20s now.
>>721928129>$500 on plushiesOr $500 on a single plush
>>721926986>the Nintendo/Sony Consolewars coming to a decisive closedidn't mean shit because that didn't apply to the gameboy which was completely uncontested as the ONLY portable console.>the Star Wars prequels popping up, completely stealing Pokemon's thunder as a multimedia phenomenonStar wars had some influence, but the real killer was harry potter 2 years later in 2001.
>>721928358>didn't mean shit because that didn't apply to the gameboy which was completely uncontested as the ONLY portable console.At least until the older teens saw a kid playing that shit and called them a faggot, and then the other kids who thought the teens were cool started emulating their behavior because they want to be mature and cool too.
>>721928242yes i know that. what i don't get it how retards here think it's just the games when it was never the case
>>721928273Yeah, that's the real kick-in-the-ass about it, they were specifically angling for Japanese girls who were surrounded by characters like the Sanrio cast, rather than latching onto regular animals or fantasy animals.
>>721928567>At least until the older teens saw a kid playing that shit and called them a faggot, and then the other kids who thought the teens were cool started emulating their behavior because they want to be mature and cool too.There wasn't any mainstream population handheld-wise until the PSP. There were plenty of kids who had a GB/GBC/GBA but their console of choice was a PS1/PS2.
>>721915303I want to go home.
>>721928676It didn't fucking matter that there weren't any other mainstream handheld alternatives, if you played Gameboy after the teens declared them uncool, you were open to getting bullied for being childish and behind the times, and Pokemon went down along with it.
>>721928695remember when buying packs was something you did as an afterthought? your parents would drag you shopping and to keep you quiet they'd pick up a pack at the til for a few bob and you'd crack the pack on the drive home. And now you need to camp outside shops for 4 days just to get a sniff of someone else opening a pack.
>>721928805Nobody fucking cared but the most insufferable retards. If you weren't playing on a game boy then all you had was a a Tiger Electronics-tier piece of garbage or some LCD football game.
>>721928676No, you just dropped the Game Boys and did something else. For us it was Yugioh and those Tech Deck finger skateboards.
>>721928983You weren't playing handhelds PERIOD, dipshit. You're acting like handheld games were the only option, but this wasn't the mobile device era. You moved onto other stuff you could play on the go, of which there were many pocket-sized toys to dick around with.
>>721926814Yeah it's just too bad me and my friends were too stupid to know that. I don't think any of us ever linked our gameboy games to the n64
>>721928875Yes. Also I remember how fucking hard it was to get them to buy even one fucking Booster, because it was so "expensive for a card game".Not long ago, I showed my parents what those cards are worth now.
>>721928875NO enjoy your phone gacha
>>721927853https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjB8XXw9y70
>>721929291TCGs are basically physical gacha.
>>7219235529/11.Star Wars Episode 1 was absolutely everywhere for a while. The modern world has no cultural touchstones.
>>721927815Pokemon has always been mediocre overall.
Pokemon (and anime as a whole) caused the decline of Western animation. A ton of high quality American cartoons were canned since studios could just dub foreign anime instead of making their own cartoons.
>>721929921Didn't help that the only things that could otherwise dent such a juggernaut's American presence were big budget movies like Star Wars and Harry Potter, it basically fulltime devolved cartoons back into being commercials for toys who live and die by how well those toys sell, and they STILL haven't recovered from it to this day.
>>721929921>American executives blithely refused to compete with a clearly superior animation medium and work ethic>this is Japan's fault somehow!idk even as a kid, before pokemon, i found most american cartoons to be trite and stupid. the good stuff was always from the '80s or earlier.
>>721929921how the fuck are you getting btfo this badly over a single weekly timeslot? people who read this shit will think there was a channel that played pokemon 24/7 and kids would never watch anything else
>>721915303It was the wild west of the cheapest, shittiest but most soulful tidal wave of merchandise since everyone thought it was just gonna be a fad. Similar to the early popularity boom of DBZ. I'm not a very nostalgic person but when I see 1999-2000 chintzy dogshit Pokemon merch, I usually pick it up if its not some retard reseller asking a million dollars for it which is sadly getting rarer and rarer
>>721930043>it basically fulltime devolved cartoons back into being commercials for toysthey literally never ever stopped doing that, that's literally WHY american cartoons were trash. pokemon might have had a big multimedia presence but the anime was actually quite good. meanwhile american kids got either "Cheat Commandos Buy All Our Playsets and Toys" or "Moral Orel's Christian Penitence Hour" with basically only game shows and reality tv slotted in between
>>721930278No one said it was japan's fault you fuckin weeb
>>721930545>the anime was actually quite goodthe original anime aged like milk aside from a couple episodes. johto was fucking boring
>>721929921Didn't Cartoon Network peak in the early 2000s? Fuck is this?
>>721923552I think Pokémon is better than Minecraft
>>721930761He's specifically complaining about how saturday morning cartoon blocks got monopolized by anime dubs, not dedicated cartoon channels.
>>721930761DBZ was the most popular show
>>721926689I-I liked Harry Potter…
>>721930545What? The anime was fucking garbage. The first season may have felt novel because you didn't start nooticing yet I'll give you that, fucking Orange Isles felt detached because they never show up in the games, but Johto and Hoenn were especially bad. Nearly every fucking episode boiled down to>Ash & Co. meets someone who is having problem with their Flavor of the Week 'mon>Team Rocket shows up and tries to steal Pikachu >inadvertently contributes towards solving the FotW mon's problem by pushing him to a physical/emotional limitBasically everything between Gym battle episodes was filler. And even the Gym episodes was just figuring out how Ash is gonna bullshit his way into earning a badge, especially in the earlier seasons.
>>721931163me too, the books
>>721915303the marketing push was very impressive.videogame stores would hand out free pokemon comics.they would even hand out the episode 1 VHS.my town had a pikachu themed bus parked in front of a store with gameboys inside.merchandise sales went so crazy that a local electronics store rented out an extra store and made it all pokemon themed.its hard to imagine something like that these days.
>>721931163Why? Genuinely asking.
>>721931163same>>721931562fun books. simple as.
>>721931562Comfy to read on a rainy autumn day after school.
>>721931562You really had to be in grade school at the time. I was 5 when the first book came out and grew up alongside the series, and my mom worked for Scholastic for the first few so I got into several midnight releases. The plots are full of holes, the author is reprehensible, the setting's nonsensical, but it hit at the perfect time and landed neatly in the zeitgeist of the late 90s.
>>721931163Don't listen to zoomers, anon. They don't understand it was a cultural phenomenon bigger than Roblox and Fortnite (all they know). Unless you didn't read the books, then go fuck yourself.
>>721919289You know what, I never thought about it through that angle of the anime. I always assumed I aged out. Maybe I would have stayed in longer if they sounded the same. Cartoon characters ARE their voices.
>>721923552Minecraft isnt even close. Pokemon was EVERYWHERE. Think how big skibidi toliet is when gen alpha and multiply that times 10.
>>721933251minecraft was and is still everywhere. pokeshit today is for japan and scalpers
>>721930846On one hand it is sad to see all the saturday morning cartoon blocks dieOn the other hand the internet would have killed them.AND in hindsight most of the good shows were anime anyway
>>721932104Yea I remember our teacher getting in trouble for reading some of the first to us because is was mid christian melty over the series and it was getting banned in schools
>>721926689I fucking hate Harry Potter. All that comes to mind when I think of Harry Potter is extracurricular homework. Because the best way to get your kid to be more interested in books is to force him to read a book without even letting him pick said book, and demand a quick rundown of each chapter to prove he did in fact read it from start to finish. And then have it do the same shit again and again every FUCKING SUMMER.And then the dumbass parent convinces herself you love Harry Potter and starts giving them more of those DAMNED BOOKS as FUCKING BIRTHDAY and CHRISTMAS GIFTS, including THE FUCKING MOVIE DVDS.HARRY POTTER MAKES MY FUCKING BLOOD BOIL.
>>721934068He said calmly
>>721923345Would trade the rest of my life (i'm 37) just to experience 1998~2008 again. Peak everything.
>>721933879We aren't comparing pokemon of today to minecraft of today, we are comparing each at their peaks. Get back to me when minecraft has a tv show, a card game, and an airline.
>>721915303First truly global kid's thing. Like Michael Jackson but demographically-concentrated on school-age children (but adults forced to acknowledge just from the sheer breadth of the reach). Any place on that planet that you could reach by a plane and/or a paved-road car-ride (and quite a few non-paved ones), if there was a child there, you could be 95% assured that they'd at least heard of Pokemon, if they weren't actively playing the games/watching the show/collecting the cards. All roughly at the same time, no DBZ "Oh the Mexicans just got it 10 years later". There were multiple times in my own life meeting and connecting with foreign peers who could barely speak English but for whom Pokemon was a common touchstone.You probably don't remember Barney, but it was like how that was in America (traveling musical, Macy's parade balloon, merchandising out the wazoo), but for the whole damn world.
>>721925320It was very lazy to begin with, he's not wrong. The initial sets were the same official Pokemon images you'd see everywhere else.It wasn't until a couple sets later where they started getting creative, like with Warui Pokemon.
34 here. I'll give you a rundown based on my experiences.>The show was being teased on KidsWB around August or so, didn't think anything of it>September comes, back to school, Pokemon start airing>Overnight phenomenon, games/cards/toys come out later on>Everyone was into it, everyone knew it, everyone loved it>My brother who was seven years older than me was into it, you get the idea>The main draw was the anime, then the games and then the cards and toys>Even if you didn't have the games, collecting the cards and watching the show made you a fan, a lot of people in my area did not play the games but had the cards and toys (Pic related are those same people who dropped it when it became uncool)>Kids would have fake cards that you can tell were fake by putting them over the sun>Bootleg merch was around too, I had a buddy with a yellow Scyther toy>One day at summer school I was a king with my Pokemon bubble gum>One time, I skipped class to help a classmate in Silph Co. in Pokemon Yellow>1999, every fucking TV show, publication, etc was making parodies, doing editorials and outright started slandering the franchise because no one had seen anything like itKidsWB had Batman a year before and did good in the ratings but Pokemon really gave them a boost they never saw before, even beating CN and Nick. They burned through so many episodes quickly and the guys who wrote for Animaniacs were pissed. Pokemon Stadium was big too, seeing your team in full 3D a short year after R/B.And another piece of 'slander', The Weekenders got praised for beating Pokemon in the ratings.
>>721926689I have fond memories of picking up the books (Goblet of Fire-Halfblood Prince) before our family summer road trips and reading them in the evenings after getting back from the beach (special beach, too, you could watch the sun set over the water even though we were on the East Coast). But I was also into stuff like Redwall, so apparently I had "British literary colonialism indoctrination" blindness at the time.
Pokemon: The First Movie was the highest-grossing anime feature release in America until like 3 weeks ago, and worldwide until just a few years ago. It opened on a weekday so the cool kids' parents took them out of school to see it.
>>721918182>>721918536>>721919289>>721920946I swear, these are the same talking points that come out of some discord faggroup.Gen 3 didn't kill Pokemania. It was already dead by the time it started. It wasn't Gen 2, when the games hit, Pokemania was hitting its peak. Then the mania rapidly fell off in 2001 because the fad had already lasted 3 years by that point and fads don't last forever.
>>721926689Harry potter is based. Thanks to Harry Potter I actually experienced for once what it was like to be bully instead of the bullied.
Gen 2 introduced the coolest pokemon like crobat, tyranitar, Donphan, and skarmory among others. Love my boys
>>721936036too bad the other half needed to wait two more gens to be salvagedalso crazy to think they actually gave ursaring a third stage not that long ago, absolute fucking beast of a mon now
>>721934586Youtubers are a bigger influence than any of that shit de su>I don't watch that shit so nobody doesOk tell that to Dream getting tens of millions of views per video in a week in his prime
>>721931163Genuinely nothing wrong with 1-3 and the first two movies. If you liked any of the teen drama dogshit that came afterwards though then yeah you're a colossal faggot.
>>721936036I know you memory holed like 5 Pokemon but gen 2 is the baby faggot gen. See >>721926986
>>721935790It was specifically around the Orange League where the dip happened, not a big dip, but it was noticeably.>Tracy sucked compared to Brock, but his Marill was hype>The same routine with Team Rocket>Finally get to Johto>The GS Ball plot was a big one everyone was hyped over, even I wondered if I missed an episode >Charizard left, was too strong for the earlier trainers and they had to pimp out the new Gen, the lasting power wasn't there>The formula was getting real stale, I had enough of Team Rocket doing their shit, any episode where they weren't stealing shit was actually fun to watch>Games-wise, a lot of people were used to 150 Pokemon, another 100 (And 1 with Mew) was sort of overwhelming to themPokemon still pulled numbers, but Pokemania was already done with.
>>721936515seethe more
>>721936710Cope
>>721918536>G/S pokemania was even bigger than Gen 1No it had faded quite a bit by that time
>>721936576I always thought Team Rocket doing their usual shtick was boring most of the time, but the best episodes are the ones where you follow Team Rocket around for the entire episode.Except in Black/White, I don't know where they found that second IQ digit but they feel like completely different characters.
>>721919176Ah yes, who could forget the entire playground talking about and trading roblox cards and then running home to catch the newest episode of roblox while your mom made roblox Mac and cheese and then sitting at the dinner table with your binder of roblox cards and your gameboy playing roblox.
>>721937537It's a different form of overwhelmingly huge, Anon.Kids genuinely do not give a fuck about anything except Steal A Brainrot on Roblox, which is derivative of Italian Brainrot, the current pop culture fixation.Even Fortnite is dead as shit outside of millennials, and they only stick around because of memberberries from collabs and a sense of FOMO as it regards receiving limited time skins from said collab content.
>>721937326Anytime they stopped trying to steal Pikachu, they were fun to watch and competent at everything else. I was hyped when they started getting serious in B/W, but the moment the earthquake happened, they cut that plot completely away and we went back to the goofy Team Rocket. I was pissed off, that could have been a great transition for them to drop going after Pikachu and bringing in a new trio of idiots.
>>721923552>MinecraftMinecraft was played by college students and adults. Pokemon was experienced by literally everyone on day 1
>>721937326Black/White was a awkward period where they tried to "age up" the series but they weren't really willing to commit enough to it so it was just weird, the games were the same way.
>>721924918Not even close desu. Minecraft was one game, pokemon was everything. It took years for Minecraft merch to start showing up on the shelves
>>721937862This also ended up contributing to that rare window of franchise vulnerability in Japan where Pokemon was starting to be seen as an "old geezer" franchise by the kids over there rather than something hip and evergreen, which is why Yo-Kai Watch completely took over the sphere for a time until Level-5 got greedy and fucked everything up in record time, giving Pokemon ample opportunity to rebound with GO and Sun/Moon.
>>721937789Minecraft was pushed hard by Microsoft, that's why it's everywhere nowadays, in the same way that big tech companies have massive sway over what goes viral or not through algorithm manipulation or huge ass marketing campaigns.Part of it is that every tech company is looking to pioneer the next big thing, because they know what if they fail to capture that market they'll never get their footing. Microsoft and their smart phones and Zune, for example.
>>721938065X and Y also saw massive improvement as far as reception and shit from Gen 5 I think, the anime was also really popular at that time iirc enough that the internet exploded with cuck memes and fury when Ash lost
>>721930761CN was also third behind disney and Nickelodeon.
>>721915303There was a good deal of VIDEOGAMES ARE FOR NERDS so a lot of us were hiding our powerlevels but I brought my gameboy and starting playing during recess and one other kid named jordan noticed me playin and he had it too, but he had red, i had blue. We battled a bit after I brought the multiplayer cable. I learned you could dupe pokemon if you started a trade but disconnected or powered off or something, and we both agreed to dupe our starter pokemon to each other in exchange for a pidgy.We played with some other kids and it picked up in popularity after us but they were cheaters and had duped or hacked in rare candies and mewtwos, so the game sort of got ruined at my school. Wow you beat me with a team of 6 lvl 999 mewtwos great job faggots. If you excuse me I have a game to finish and gotta catch them all.
>>721937714>It's a different form of overwhelmingly hugeAnon, I am on my phone all day, roblox literally never shows up on my screen. I don't see roblox merch at gas station checkouts, I have a 6 and 7 year old niece and nephew that have never once mentioned or played or wore or ate anything roblox. Fuck, I play videogames all the time and I have no fucking clue what roblox even is
>>721926654I think this anon is right and very high IQ. I mean what would happen to JRPGs if pokemon was never around? Final fantasy would probably be dead and non existent in seventh gen. Sixth gen would be even more brutal to JRPGs and asian cartoon inspired tactical games in general. Hell, I think pokemon was the supernova to pivot western culture into being asian centered culture. Anime would probably be just as dead. Pokemon anime in that first season blew up so fast nothing after in anime would be able to do the same thing outside japan except DBZ. It sounds dumb but I think if pokemon wasn't around halo for example would've blown up so goddamn big it would've blown a hole in nintendo's presence in video games, the shitcube would've been so bad the wii would've been an apple project and the shitcube would've been dreamcast 2.0
>>721938978why would you extend ed witten's head he's already a mensch
>>721915303Another strange thing was growing up, going to college, working part time as a jannie at my old school like from 3pm to 11pm and seeing some of the teachers kids playing on newer handhelds. I dont recall if it was the ds or switch, but they were definitely playing pokemon. And I had played on that old big grey brick gameboy.>>721926654Yeah
>>721915303I had the "pleasure" of growing up surrounded by normalfag golems that enforced a strict "YOU VILL LIKE SPORTSBALL EXCLUSIVELY OR YOU VILL BE BULLIED" policy so everyone who didn't leave and breathe running around all day putting ball in goals simply did not have any publicly known hobbies. Even getting the gum packs with the trading cards got you bullied. Pokemania happened anyway, but it was a silent thing you enjoyed by yourself. There was no trading or battling.
>>721915303It was literally everywhere.
>>721938420It's a shame that Black/White weren't received well, just because it didn't let you access "all your old favorites" until the post-game.After that, they got cold feet and started constantly re-inventing old favorites. Mega Evolutions, Alolan formes, Galarian Formes, Gigantamax forms, Hisuian Formes, Paradox Pokémon.The Yokai Watch thing also made them push a new trainer accessory gimmick with every new generation, the Mega Keystone and Mega Stones, Z-Ring, Dynamax Band, and Tera Orb. Watch them do it again with Gen 10 (some Omnitrix level bullshit who knows).
>>721936275Your average Joe can't name a single influencer. They would've seen Pikachu on the news.
>>721927815>Why are there no good Pokemon games?I think you just dislike turn based games.
>>721939848I'm gonna be honest I still like Pokemon games and I really don't like Gen V's Pokemon and setting and I'm glad they were forced away from that because some of that shit is way too stupid (everything to do with Team Plasma)There are some seriously banger Pokemon designs like Volcarona but I can't stand shit like Patrat.
>>721935790It would have kept going, but the Gen 2->Gen 3 gap was too long, and that was also the time period when basic cable pop culture (MTV + Disney + Cartoon Network-related stuff) kind of resurged. The normies were into gangsta rap and Cribs and the nerds were into non-Pokemon anime and Runescape-adjacent stuff.
>>721934672fug Pokemon was globohomo the whole time
how know how labubus randomly appeared one day and now they're everywhere? imagine that times ten thousand and you're in a lower ballpark of how huge pokemon was at its peak.it was a bit frustrating to be the one "digimon kid" in the entire school
>>721937123The peak was the hype in the lead-up to GS releasing. The idea of there being MORE was crazy. And then it released and it was a buy-the-rumor-sell-the-news thing for everyone who wasn't actually into the series. And remember that the GS anime came quite a bit after the games themselves. It didn't benefit from that synergy and that kind of goes with the rest of the franchise going forward. First hint that it was being mishandled.
>>721937714I was at a family reunion recently and noticed my younger distant cousins had commandeered a hotel PC to play some non-Roblox TPS. I don't think it was Fortnite, but it might have been. Average age was probably 11.
>>721940416most of the digimon kids grew up to resent the franchise because DW1 was fucking cryptic and unbeateable for most kids without guidefagging, while pokemon games were retardproof. a lot of them prefered the anime to pokemon's though.
>>721915303Every kid in class had Pokémon cards, even though you'd probably be embarrassed to tell them you watched the cartoon or played the Gameboy game.It was just sort of everywhere like kpop is now, except it was great. I was 10 when it hit so I was just the right age to self insert and get carried away on my imagination. Good times.Adult life is still better though. If I could tell myself as a kid that pokemon and Vidya in general would get worse and worse until I don't care if it dies out, I'd have spent less time in dreams.
>>721939848>some Omnitrix level bullshit who knowsWe are well and far beyond due for a non-PMD game where you get to TF into a Pokemon.
>>721940302Gen V was exceptionally kind to bug types.
>>721940893Blueberry academy has that thing that lets you take direct control over a Pokémon and roam around.
>>721928875I've still never really quite gotten over the time my dad let me get a pack of yugioh cards while we were shopping "but you gotta get one for your siblings too" and they both pulled fucking exodia pieces while I got junk
>>721941007Really hoping that feature is a test for how riding on Pokemon would work in future games
>>721940827Hearing how much the cards where the experience makes me wish I had mine back. I sold mine to my brother in order to buy Animal Crossing. Last time I mentioned wish I could get them back, he and his wife gave each other this weird look. I think he sold them himself at the top of the pandemic market. I kept my favorites - promo Dragonite, Ancient Mew, a few other foils - but most of my starter deck and the handful of base/Jungle booster I was able to get, I haven't seen in about 20 years.
>>721939857Your average Joe has definitely heard about Roblox on the news. The recent Minecraft update got news articles on Yahoo and MSN. Minecraft merch and Robux are still sold everywhere. All Pokemon got was cards, cereal, canned food and gay dolls.
>>721936275I diagnose you with zoomerism (terminal).
>>721941194That is 100% a>Your brother bought it you should trade it to himsituation. Or a good lesson to let the buying child rip the packs and then decide which one he wants. Because, damn.
>>721940827>kpopbts alone is bigger than 1999 pokeshit
>>721924808Pokemon also had a huge presence on the early internet. I think a quarter of all geocities pages had at least one pokemon gif on it.
What's your rarest Pokemon card?
>>721941456And there are more people in the world now.Parents don't know who nam joon chingly chong is, but they know Pikachu.
>>721915303It was a global phenomenon. From the games, the anime, trading cards to fucking pogs you couldn't take a piss in the open without pokemon merch being somewhere in vicinityTo quote wikipedia on the movie>the film remained the only anime film to top the U.S. box office until 2021's Demon Slayer
>>721941228>Ancient MewKek the one that came free when you saw the movie? I didn't even go see it, just bought the card for sale from a guy who clearly took a whole folder of them from a cinema.Took it home to my small town, hundreds of miles from a cinema. I got a lot of offers of shinies from other kids, finally traded it for 5 or 6 good ones.
>>721941576>you couldn't take a piss in the open without pokemon merch being somewhere in vicinity
>>721941572If you asked someone to name a band 10 years ago, chances are they'd say BTS or Blackpink. Far more people listen to music than play video games.
>>721928273is your sister hot?
>>721915303It was everywhere for like 2 years, then died out fast. Modern gaming franchises like FNAF and Minecraft don't gross as much, but have way longer staying power than Pokemon did in the west.
>>721941738you made me look up the card on ebay and people want upwards of $50 for it now. that's an insane price for something they were literally giving away by the millions. I know I bought one on a nostalgic lark in 2018 for like seven or eight bucks
>>721923552Minions
>>721942224that's the closest thing I think we've ever had but, and it feels weird to say since it's pure delusion to act like pokemania wasn't all a bunch of corporate suits riding a hype train, but minions always felt a lot more manufactured.
>>721941357Pokemon is the number one selling brand in the history of the world and it was a world phenomenon for a while. Nothing compares
>>721942629>>721942224Minions was definitely entirely fake from the outset, and I think a lot of the books were cooked when it came to revenue/costs...I dunno, it was "everywhere", but people didn't actually care. It was just another forced IP that hollywood was shoving down your throat and there was nothing behind it beyond the brand name. Pokemon at least had the games, the anime and movies, merch that (while cheap) was better than any shit minions had. People didn't really talk about it except for your boomer grandparents who thought it was "so quaint".
>>721941803Someone who is into kpop yes, but it's still a bubble.Grandparents knew what pokey man's were.I mean whatever we don't have to agree, they're both huge deals in their respective eras
>>721942114>FNAF>staying powerPokemon is a world renowned brand. Every game released sells millions. FNAF is a game that most people have never heard of.
>>721942993grandparents know what kpop is
>>721943006>FNAF is a game that most people have never heard of.anon just earlier today I saw a display of some soda with a bunch of horror icons on their bottles for the halloween season and nestled between michael meyers and chucky was freddy.FNAF isn't comparable to pokemon but nothing else really is. it's still a massive franchise, and one that I'm sure has nostalgic power for anyone that was a lil zoomie in 2016.
>>721915303Imagine the Pokemon Go craze, but 10x times.
>>721943006>world renownedKek, you faggots called it the gay kiddie game since 2003
>>721915303It was beyond comparison. My dad even realized how big this was going to be and ended up buying a set of the most invaluable cards now on the market: first edition, holographic, mint condition Blastoise, Charized, and Venusaur. Those cards are worth tens of thousands of dollars now, if not more. I'm sitting on them until the apocalypse comes or I'm looking for an early retirement.
>>721943152Pokemon Go had way more reach and more influence on the franchise's current success almost a decade later. Game Freak couldn't sustain Pokemania hype for more than 2 years. But keep telling yourself that Pikachu showing up on canned beans means something lol
>>721943319rofli figured this thread was hijacked by 35 years old scalpers
>>721943319Charizard*, gotta put respect on his name
>>721941357They've most likely heard it from their kids asking their parents for money
>>721943327It feels like the same 3 people replying to OP saying the same thing tbqh. It's the same as the GSC threads that faggot was spamming last week.
>>721942901It was "everywhere" in the sense that a suspicious number of brand products suddenly carried Minions branding and special edition flavors, and there was "Gentleminions" trend of showing up to the Minions film in business suits and causing a scene. Sort of a precursor to Chicken Jockey, actually.
>>721943327Literally every brand in America was kicking themselves if they didn't have something pokemon sold in their stores or had an image on their product. Food, napkins, plates, towels, soap, toothpaste, every single magazine, lightbulbs. Pokemon GO was just a game
>>721915894No but it was losing steam around that time. It wasn't cool to play Pokemon. I even felt weird in middle school getting Ruby and Sapphire. But that fact that Pokemon didn't get a Switch boost like every other Nintendo series got should tell you the series is dependent on Pokemon adults to keep it alive.
>>721943176And? Renowned doesn't mean respected, anon. Like whichever infamous idiot streamer that's recognized by foreign audiences despite contributing little to anything.
>>721943730chicken jockey felt a lot more sincere because it was zoomers being a nuisance. no theatre company is gonna sign off on that as a marketing stunt. that whole gentleminions was just reddit basedboys being reddit basedboys
it was truly epic. all the kids at school even ones who did not like games or pokemon, all had trading cards. everyone was trading, buying, selling, battling with the games and cards, there were real pokemon tournaments by nintendo too with gym badges.
>>721915894Nothing 'killed' pokemania of the 90s. the 9-10 year olds went from elementary school to middle school and those kids sorta had to leave pokemon behind otherwise you got teased for still liking it. This was the era where you had to "hide your power level" from normie kids and girls. Don't get me wrong, not ALL kids abandoned pokemon, but a lot of them did due to social pressure.
>>721943792And all that garbage was thrown out and forgotten. The reason TPC can sell out overpriced kitchenware and bathroom shit by themselves today is because Go made Pokemon relevant again.
>>721944025I unfortunately don't have the Awkward Zombie webcomic that summarized the experience.
>>721923552my little pony
>>721923552>would Minecraft be a contenderMinecraft is a bit of a different beast. It is far and beyond more successful than Pokemon (its sold 300 million copies and every kid plays it now) but Pokemon was a bit of a different phenomenon. Basically during its height it dominated everything because it wasn't just the game but the anime, card games, merchandise ect. Basically every kid played it. Everyone had the game. Everyone traded cards. Everyone watched the anime. For a good 2 years, it dominated everything. Then over time, people grew out of it, and it's why Red and Blue have yet to be beaten to this day. It's a popular brand but a shadow of its former glory. Minecraft was a slow burn but Pokemon was an inferno.
>>721915894No, Pokemon just fizzled out as kids grew up and the franchise lost its novelty. That's the truth of it.
>>721944068yep. if you visited japan recently pokemon is everywhere again. basically pokemania but 5 years and counting.
>>721944068Sure, but pokemon GO was just a revival of pokemania for people aged 24-35. The vast majority of people playing GO were young men reliving their childhood
>>721923552No, nothing ever came close. They got fucking Weird Al to do a Polka Rap. Nothing gets that kind of prestiege anymore.
>>721944558No, tons of kids played it with their parents and their friends. While the fad only lasted a few months, it was different in that Pokemon was for everyone, not just little kids.
>my generation of consooming was better than your generation of consoominggood goys
>>721944829Yes but only because of pokemania. Pokemon GO was advertized as a reliving of the pokemania experience
>>721922847emerald was ok but even then>no day night cycle>cant trade up from gens 1+2>no way to get a lot of old pokemon unless you paid up for firered/leafgreen + gamecube + gba link cable + colosseum + gale of darkness + pokemon channel + e reader + cards + went to events irl for the last couple that weren't obtainable
>>721945157They removed "Gotta catch 'em all" from the slogan around that time for that reason. It was too much to ask.Gen 4 online trading largely addressed that as long as you could breed the Pokémon for eggs.
>>721927970>Black and White and their sequelsSick of you zoomers trying to shoehorn your shit gen into relevancy. They were never good.
>>721945137And Go had a bigger impact as a result. Pokemania walked so Go and modern TPC could run
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>>721915303>traded pokemon cards with my bus driver>strategized with random kids at recess on how to get through the ice cave in gsc>only kiss in my entire life was because I traded some girl a clefairy it was peak comfy
>>721945289it was still insane to do all that especially if you were a compfag at the time the buy in must have been fucked>>721945306not him but I've been playing since gen 1 and still think the DS era (yes including gen 5) was peak pokemon
>>721945157>muh day/nightno one cared>muh trade to gen 3no one cared>i don't want new gamesfaggot
>>721945491I cared, cry about it dumbass. No one bought an e-reader. Cope.
>>721945306This.
>>721931562Harry Potter is like western isekai it becomes easier to understand the appeal when you look at it from that perspective>There's a whole magical world that replaces your school life and makes you better than the filthy muggles around youEvery kid dreamed of getting to go to a badass castle and learn magic
>>721945446This happened to me with BW.
>>721945571>Every kid dreamed of getting to go to a badass castle and learn magicsure, but harry potter magic was gay and retarded nice wand queer
>>721945765this but for gay baby gen 2 mons.
>>721945409I would honestly say pokemania and Logan paul are the two biggest spikes in pokemon popularity. Pokemon GO barely moved the needle. The brand was already the highest selling media before GO showed its face.
>>721945825keep casting your magic like a limp wristed faggot
>>721945765>nice wand queerThank you it's just over 6 inches with a unicorn horn hair and made of black walnut
>>721945835Logan Paul influenced scalpers in the west if anything. Not like kids here can buy cards anymore anyway. He has little impact in the Japanese market.
>>721945969yeah gay as hell
>>721923552People are having difficulty explaining it because they are trying to compare pokemon to a single IP. The easiest way to explain it is that for about 3-4 years, "pokemon" was about as big as "superheroes" as a concept among the child audience. Regular normal kids who have spiderman on their backpack and argue superman vs batman on playgrounds would instead have arguments about whether kabutops was cooler than scyther.
>>721941738It was special to me because I derived the translation myself by hand one afternoon. I know it was probably designed that way, but it still felt good as a 6th grader.
>>721946000Pokemania is a US phenomenon. Japan shouldn't be included in any Pokemania conversations.
>>721946218>arguments about whether kabutops was cooler than scyther.I mean, he is
>>721946281>Go is a global phenomenon>Pokemania is only USI guess Go wins.
>>721945463Cross-generation shit is far less painful than it used to be, with stuff like nature mints and bottle caps, and eventually mirror herb to make 99% of what you want work without chain-breeding cross-generation Pokémon.I recall that there's still edge cases like getting Spore on a Breloom that's already evolved (has to learn it as a Shroomish for some reason), and Wish Chansey due to that thing being an event exclusive back in Gen 3 and legit ones being impossible to get nowadays.
>>721946324Say that stupid shit again and my big bro will beat you up
>>721918536>gen 2 pokemaniaYeah, you're not 35 faggot. Stop larping. The initial surge had ended about when gen 2 came out.
>>721939848>It's a shame that Black/White weren't received well, just because it didn't let you access "all your old favorites" until the post-game.There was more to it than just that, but leave it to Unovafags to be reductive and never stop complaining about the genwunner boogeyman that ruined your oh-so-perfect games.The region was shit, 3/4ths of the roster looked like dogshit, Plasma was a shitty team and it was a railroaded experience that got many to realize just how stale the formula was getting.
>>721946463>and Wish Chansey due to that thing being an event exclusive back in Gen 3 and legit ones being impossible to get nowadays.Event exclusive moves were forcibly removed from the games through Home resetting movesets.
>>721946218Yeah these fucking morons keep talking about videogames. Pokemania was all about the cards, anime and hype. Just the idea of pokemon was like crack for kids.
>>721946528>railroadedall pokeshit games are railroaded>b-but i can do gym 5 before 4doesn't matter when you need to do them all eventually
>>721946218Pokemon basically broke the cultural barrier for a lot of normalfags, like anime or even japanese culture as a whole was niche as shit except for a few localizations like transformers or power rangers. Like you don't think of power rangers as a japanese product because it kind of isn't but they didn't really westernize pokemon much. Boomers kind of lost their shit at it and were calling it demonic or some japanese mind control project or something. They might have been right about the japanese mind control shit though I know my brain has been completely rewired from growing up with that shit.
>>721946528Plasma was liked pretty well on release what are you going on aboutGen 6's team is the one that nobody gave any shits about
>>721946708You only reinforced my point, thank you.
>>721946383GO was just a game.
>>721946820No they fucking weren't lmao>weird knight faction in notAmerica
>>721946934yes they were, people thought their whole "pokemon should have rights and be free" and Ns ideals were interesting
>>721946934the whole angle of them being "pokemon rights activists" was interesting on release anon they were divisive but they were absolutely memorable
>>721946528All of this is attributable to gen 2 aside the completely new dex. I remember you faggots seething about muh ice cream and trash bag in 2010 when gen 2 Pokemon design took a major turn for the worse.
>>721947030>>721947073General reaction to Plasma was "that's interesting a shame they don't really do anything with the idea" I think. It's kinda clumsily executed imo
>>721947030No they weren't. Your fellow white knight here >>721947073 says as much.>>721947073Memorable doesn't equal good or likable. You said it yourself, they were divisive.
>>721946764Part of that was with the success of Dragon Ball Z and the Toonami block, they realised that they could just let the Japanese properties stay mostly intact when dubbed, and audiences would learn to appreciate the foreign culture's works for what they are, instead of ham-fisting them into the local culture.Not that 4kids didn't interfere, of course.That, and anyone playing Pokémon Pinball internationally probably didn't know that they were listening to the anime's original intro theme.https://youtu.be/U1_ATsEwaTAhttps://youtu.be/TZMoQjvoICE
>>721947090>b-but what about gen 2Deflect harder.
>>721947161they do plenty with it, like even ghetsis turning around to be a cartoon villian at the end was interesting with the implication he abused the shit out of N just to grab power and thats why N is fucked in the head
>>721946845Go was a cultural phenomenon that paved the way for years of success. Sorry your McDonald's plastic toys couldn't do the same.
>>721947090you see, there is a critical difference in that pokemon gs has jolteon and rapidash and charizard, and pokemon bw has dogshit.rse ended pokemania by trying to reduce the relevance of the original pokemon in favor of a new generation of shitters, but bw put the series in the ground.
>>721947239Toonami was only like a year prior but yeah I think DBZ for sure had a hand in it
>>721947291That's exactly what makes it stupid, the idea is introduced and dismissed in the same game. It's not something meant for the player to consider, it's meant to be dismissed out of hand. People's interest in the concept was in the hypothetical of introducing moral ambiguity to capturing Pokemon, not what it was actually doing.
>>721947205they were the villains, them being divisive and memorable makes them GOODTeam Rocket weren't likable either in game, they were assholes
>>721947276Yes, let's go into gen 2. Why was the villain team nonexistent in the games? Why did they cater to animators and merchfags instead of making good Pokemon designs? Why do manchildren only talk about vague memories of gen 2 instead of playing it, like for every other gen?
I used to carry cards in my pocket and trade with other kids in public.
>>721941357Your average Joe doesn't read internet articles. Everyone watched their local 5 o'clock news or read the paper. Pikachu was all over the mainstream media for a few months.
>>721947443No, retard-kun, that just means you have shit taste. That's like saying Obama was good just because you remember him as president.
>>721947396>gs had typhlosion and red gyaradosfixed
>>721947425it absolutely is still something for the player to consider since N still holds those ideals and so does all of plasma that followed him after ghetsis did his bullshit. They clearly cared about pokemon but it was warped by the abuse.
>>721947513Try defending your gen first then we'll talk.
>>721947327I agree, Pokemania continued well past GO and would be viewed as the greatest media phenomenon on the planet
>>721947606i read internet articles>the paperlmfao ok gramps
>>721929640>Star Wars Episode 1 was absolutely everywhere for a while.paid marketing, not organic.
>>721947623the job of a villain is to be memorableare you seriously so mentally and emotionally stunted you can't imagine people enjoying characters that are not likeable?
>>721947653>no you have to arbitrarily limit the pokemon sequel to the johto pokemon inside the johto regionthis mindset, pushed by the developers of later games, is the reason why pokemon fell out of favor. there are 151 pokemon and everything else might as well be jack bros and robopon.
>>721947815You clearly are because can't comprehend the idea that memorable doesn't mean good.
>>721947710>It is something for the player to considerBut not in the way people were interested in. People are interested in "Pokemon are animals and we are engaging in cockfighting" not "some people are mean to their Pokemon and that's wrong"There is a reason they didn't try converting that into the anime (it's stupid)
>>721947743Yeah... it was the 90s... do you know what thread you're in whippersnapper?
>>721947909they didn't get to convert barely anything plasma related into the anime because of the earthquake actually it had nothing to do with the plotline being bad or not
>>721935790the peak was the first 2 movies + pokemon stadium.Everybody moved on during hoenn because nobody wanted to learn another 200 pokeymans
>>721947897being memorable is one of the prime ways you can judge the quality of a villain the worst quality any character can have is to be forgettable and unlike say, team Flare or Galactic outside of Cyrus they were not forgettable
>>721915894kek, this is the gen 3 and 5 babs complaining about sour grapes. Pokemania died because that kind of hype isn't sustainable for that long. GS still out sold everything till the Switch games (which have a much larger install base).
>it's gen 5's fault we have fire grass water starters>it's gen 5's fault we have the 8 badges into pokemon league formula>it's gen 5's fault we have turn based battlesgen 2 could've changed everything but nope.
>>721948041And yet you remember them so by your dipshit logic they were good.
>>721947931>reading the paper in the 90sWe moved on to TV zoomie.
>>721948041Team Flare was a hot mess, conceptually as an organisation and with character designs.Like, they were so unmemorable that most people looking at Legend Z-A's new professor won't recognise she's a returning Team Flare scientist.
>>721916663My tongue specifically remembers the taste of everyone of these products
>>721945528You care in retrospect since your adulthood is a trainwreckAlso I had an e-reader shit was cash
>>721948220the only notable thing about it is how badly the game half-assed making Lysandre into a surprise villain, and literally nobody bought it
>>721948041Team flare at least had this I guess I can't remember anything else they did, galactic I remember at least bombing lakes and the whole finale on mount coronet with Cyrus being a menacing looking fucker.
>>721948205>local 5 o'clock newsPoint is, media was in your face whether you wanted to see it or not. If you think clickable headlines are in any way comparable you weren't there.
>>721945491Why do Johtofags treat spinoffs like Colosseum only as a means to complete the dex?
Pokemon GO was a bad spinoff
>>721948378Yeah worst kept secret by far.
>>721948443Colosseum sucks and I will fight endlessly against this stupid narrative that it was some super hardcore and fun game
>>721948324I cared at the time, thats why I skipped gen 3 until only going back and playing it like last year. You did not own an e-reader you lying faggot.
>>721946764>CIA destroyed japan economy in 1990>satoshi was cover story for pokemon, satoshi made bitcoin>it was really a MK ultra project made by freemasons to boost japan dying economy and continue wage war against hardcore conservative aware christians of /x/ freemason operations>the CIA south america war on drug cartels drug black budget to yakuza to nintendo to US sales tax money launder operation pipelineIt was just ((mania))
>>721948443Colosseum was literally the only way to get a not broken legendary beast in gen 3 dude.>>721948567yea I believe it
>>721948424>go to Yahoo news and scroll for one minute to see 20 headlines>vs watch a news outlet for 15-20 minutes for 5 headlinesGee which one was more in your face
>>721922847Rse was the start of features being removed from the game like days. It wasn't the death but it was the beginning of bad trends.
>>721948414oh Cyrus absolutely was good, but the rest of Galactic had almost no personality to speak ofwhich I guess sorta makes sense given how autistically Cyrus was devoted to his goal but it does also mean that galactic feels really bland without him, with their vague "better world" thing that nobody really explains
>>721923552Nothing has been so all consuming. You were watching the anime on morning tv, playing trading cards at school, then going home and playing the video game. It just took over the kids media market and sustained that hype for several years. Fucking incredible. Minecraft has been far more impactful as a video game, its sustained popularity is incredible. But it doesn't really go beyond that, outside of streamers. The movie was a flash in the pan.And that's Pokemon's strength, the franchise is so much more than just the games, which is why its perfectly health when the games do relatively (for the franchise) poor sales (Gen 3/5). Minecraft is just Minecraft, Pokemon can do crazy shit like Pokemon Go and people will flock to it because the characters and the power of the IP.
>>721948623And one of those 5 headlines were pokemon-related. Grandma doesn't go to yahoo's website every day.
>>721948337>what the fuck BOOOOM
>>721948124I like how he just ignored this lmao
>>721948640They didn't know what a better world was gonna be either, they outright say they just followed whatever the fuck Cyrus did because he was charismatic. At least the galactic battle theme was great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB1nLTo68hM funny that the galactic leaders ancestors had more depth in PLA god I love Arezus fat ass
>>721948709Yes she didAnd my parents and older brother did
>>721948640Yeah, the elderly house in Sunyshore City, heavily implies its Cyrus' childhood home, and reading around there it heavily implies he's autistic since he has super-fixations, prefers the company of computers, etc.
>>721939848>just because it didn't let you access "all your old favorites" until the post-game.Yeah, well don't create a trash generation then (Bug excepting, they were kino). It's pretty fucking simple, you include a health selection of the stuff people care about and then add your shit new design. Gen 5 actually had good mechanics, and wasn't really any worse than the last 2 Gens when it came to shit like plot.
Something about the original art and even some of the stuff in the original anime was perfect for drawing people in. It has just a hint of edge/danger/adventure which is kind of missing from the style now
>>721948889Good for them they knew about pokemon along with those who didn't.
>>721915821Sprinkle some Pokemon Go, Avengers and whatever else and is still nowhere close
>>721949000I'm sorry your family was computer illiterate for so long
So now that the dust has settled...Why did Christians go absolutely apeshit on this franchise?
>>721948983the simplicity of the designs also helpedyou could absolutely imagine most of them being your pets and hang out with them and what notand going on that adventure with them
>>721949073they go apeshit on everything popular with kids/teenagers, and pokemon was just super popular
>>721949073somebody said "evolve"
>>721949073EvolutionI'm serious
>>721920946>unironic numberfaggot as an argumentThis is where you broccoli-headed zoomer faggots fail to comprehend the difference between Pokemon being popular and the Pokemania cultural phenomenon. The franchise did not stop being popular around Gen 3, that's just when hype for it significantly dropped. That was due in small part to the anime having an awful supporting cast, due in small part to people growing up, and due in small part to game reviewers constantly complaining about how samey RSE felt with all of the water segments. All of it culminated in a collective loss of interest for the biggest media franchise in the world-- which is to say, they were still significantly better off than most others.Nothing in your time has reached those heights. That's why you cannot understand it. The closest you could get is Fortnite or Rick and Morty, but those don't hold a candle to full-blown Pokemania.
>>721923552lol no, Minecraft was an youtube watching kid thing and not everyone gave a fuck. Pokemon was everywhere you looked IRL.
>>721915303Poliwhirl front and center is so cool and something you'd only see in the very first gen before they'd decided who to focus on in regards to branding. Hell yeah man. Love poliwhirl
>>721948496So was the plot of gen 6 basiacally tnd and tkd?
>>721949073Kid with cool Christian parents here that actually let me watch it.It was initially because of the concept of evolution and how it was supposedly subjecting kids to darwinism.My parents watched it with me and were flabbergasted at how wrong evangelicals were about it. It's about the bonds of everlasting friendship and adventure, that's it.
>>721925259No, they fucking wouldn't.
>>721949258it was either KILL FUCKING EVERYONE I HATE or IM MAKING EVERYONE I LIKE IMMORTALbased on the version
>>721948983Pokemon is adventures for kids. Kanto was designed around the distance a kid could ride a bike in a single day in 50s/60s Tokyo. But you need some danger for there to be an adventure. Make things too kidy and the boys no longer think it's cool. However, if you make things too edgy and complicated and the girls no longer think they're cute. And the early gens (especially Sugimori's watercolors) hit that balance perfectly.
>>721949214No, kids actually made cool shit in Minecraft. Pokefags just made cringe art and horrible romhacks.
>>721949321which is like... really not fucking equivalent at least with team aqua you can sorta explain it by aqua being a different team than magma and entirely populated by lovable retards
>>721949272Also nobody preached about Pokémon at the churches I went to ever. It was mostly those televangelists that were essentially ragebaiting for attention and donations, just trendhopping to seem on top of things.
>>721917952wtf i don't remember this trophy, i would've coomed to it as a kid
>>721923443It was all summer where I live
>>721949479I think the process of making some people immortal basically required people to die like it needed life energy or something? I might just be making shit up though, like the plot revolved around some ancient weapon so it might have killed people to make others immortal. I dont really remember its been ages since I played through XY.
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>>721915303Remember how Pokemon Go was so massive and the only people who weren't into it were either jaded fans or anti-phone hipsters? Pretty much that but without the haters and it lasted longer. Apparently trades were starting playground fights so the cards were banned from schools, and this was during a period when the country gave a rats ass about Christianity so use of evolving caused christcucks to throw a massive fit too. I remember it confusing the hell out of my parents who would ask "which one of these is 'Pokemon'?" so 7 year old me had to explain the concept of an animal kingdom to them. It only took a year for Pikachu, Charizard, and the opening theme to burned into everyone's memory to the point where not knowing what these Japanese mascots from a video game makes you the weird one.
>>721915303It was like pokemon was the whole world for kids
>>721946764It's likely that there was some lost-in-translation mix-up with SMT at some point. It makes the demon stuff make a lot more sense.
>>721949041I don't have anyone in my family named Joe
>>721949745what about joe mama
>>721946493I'm 35 too and he's right.
>>721915303It was like the discovery of animals
>>721949743I doubt it, evangelicals just call anything they don't like demonic. They really didn't like alakazam
>>721949214That's completely untrue and you know it. Minecraft did not reach the same heights as Pokemania, but it came really damn close to it, and is probably the closest thing we'll ever get to it again. Toys, clothes, misleading player guides you'd get from Walmart's book section, and even evangelicals calling it the work of the devil. I can tell you as an unc that had to take his nieces and nephew to school across the span of a decade that you still see Minecraft shit to this day. It's not nearly as pronounced as Pokemon shit was in our time, but it heavily saturates younger demographics.
>>721947239>That, and anyone playing Pokémon Pinball internationally probably didn't know that they were listening to the anime's original intro theme.It took me until like 2015 to realize that.
>>721917952Every single kid i knew was still all over pokemon hardcore with gold and silver
>>721941357>Minecraft merch and Robux are still sold everywhere. All Pokemon got was cards, cereal, canned food and gay dolls.Either this is 9/10 bait or you are the most delusional retard ever. Assuming the latter did a man in a Pikachu suit rape you or something? why the seething vendetta over Pokemon's obvious worldwide fame bro
>>721918289Yeah being a fag little tranny kid these days seems like hell. All dogshit as fuck games being made and everything's retarded. I would for sure have killed myself by now if I was born after 2010.
>>721949552It's a fan model, the only humans who got trophies were Oak and Misty.
>>721926379>It's understandable from a technical viewNo it isnt. People say that gen 3 pokemon data is nothing like earlier gen 2 pokemon data, but gen 2 is also nothing like gen 1. Gen 2 introduces gender, special split, completely different ev/iv spreads, friendship, and shiny odds and just retroactively applies all of those to crossgen traded mons by throwing the pre-existing pokemon data into a math equation to create semirandom new attributes. RSE could have done the exact same and chose not to because they wanted the new pokemon to be better than the old pokemon (it wasnt)
While I do have a fondness for the G/S Pokerap the original is basically impossible to topR/S Pokerap is a sin and all involved should be executed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3j7DATYZD4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-kRwxT9E1Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbtER5DxPAE
>>721950087Because pic related
>>721950347>because they wanted the new pokemon to be better than the old pokemon (it wasnt)Not even, it's because they were desperate to boost Gamecube sales by forcing you to buy one, a GBA link adaptor, and then Colosseum AND Gale of Darkness in order to obtain Pokemon who were otherwise unobtainable across the GBA games, most notably you had no way of getting Ho-Oh and Lugia without the Gamecube titles unless you cheated in the event item for Navel Rock because for maximum greed reasons, they decided to make these two normal legendaries into fucking event Pokemon in Gen 3.
>>721948567The only thing that gives this weight is how bad Tajiri crashed out. I don't know if anyone's even seen him in the past 20 years.
>>721950360>THE GANGS ALL HERE, THE GANGS ALL HERENo NO NOOOOOOOI HAD BLOCKED THIS OUT OF MY MEMORY COMPLETELY FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS, FUCK YOU
>>721949073Evolution and Megami Tensei mixup.
It was ruined when all the 5 year olds got into pokemon around when yellow version came out and all the older kids like 12 year olds who made it seem cooler were like "oh shit this is gay now" and sold their cards. Then all the 4th graders or whatever tried to be cool like them and think it was gay because the older kids didnt like it anymore and gay 3rd graders liked it. Then they made the series for 3 year old faggots only because they found out if you make dogshit for 2-year-olds it's easy money because they'll eat up anything and there's less of a chance for them to die because they've only been alive a few years so they needed to get their money before they died because with each passing moment the chance of someone dying goes up. Thanks why nintentardfaggottrannydogshito exploits retarded toddlers so hardcore.
>>721949823In fairness the Ghost and Psychic types are probably the easiest to call demonic since they obviously play on a lot of hokey mysticism and occultism but to be less fair I highly doubt the Anti-Pokemon people looked that deeply even.
>Actual coping retards trying to argue ANYTHING on earth is bigger and more well known than the most popular media on Earth at it's highest point>uhh a-actually Harry potter>uhh Star wars..??>uhh bro..Roblox!>uhh...k-pop??I've just been crying laughing scrolling this thread holy fuck this shit reminds me why I come back to /v/ kek love you guys
>>721950802I think they gave kadabra and alakazam a ton of shit because of psychic bullshit but yeah I don't think I saw any of these evangelicals bring up ghosts at all
>>721949021>Pokemon was so big it was bigger than Pokemonwoah
>>721950802I do remember someone bringing up the abra evolution line being an 'evil demonic spell' as if this were some hidden secret mystery and not something that everyone instantly clocked fighting sabrina
>>721949823I mean, at the root. Someone came over from Japan talking about catching demons and making them fight, someone erroneously assumed they were talking about Pokemon, found some things in Pokemon that lined up (psychic, evolution, etc.), bam, Pokemon are demons.
>>721950360Char-MEleon
>>721950890>>721950994Uri Geller got pissed off from Kadabra's design, mainly its start on its head and caused Kadabra to be omitted from the Trading Card Game for damn near twenty years. I'm surprised he didn't go after the games, the Abra line could have been in a worse situation than the Smoochum line, which wasn't an actual controversy, just one person making an article taking note of Jynx's original design resembling blackface, she never actually made a stink about it, but GF got spooked enough to change Jynx and bury it shortly afterward.
>>721929243Thank god my parents are hoarders so all my old cards are still at their place
>>721950824Roblox and Kpop are bigger thoughbeit
>>721934932Weren't the original sets made by Wizards? Or was it only published by them in the west?
>>721950697Then they made poke.on that are a pair of keys and a pile of sand because they were like oh dude you know what babies love? Keys and playing in a sandbox. Let's mk ultra literal babies so they grow up their whole life with a plushie of keys that they grabbed off the shelf at babies R us so the most basic shit from the beginning of their life is a pokemon. And make the games even more fucktarded than they already were so a literal 2 year old or actual baby monkey can mash A and not be able to read at all and perfectly beat the game in 1 sitting even though 5-year-olds could already beat the other games, it jas to be more retarded so a fucking infant can get into pokemon immediately as soon as theyre born so we can get as much money as possible out of these cattle (they dont see the babies as actual humans, just $ signs) before they get older and have a higher chance to die before they buy our chimp dogshit that we shit out as fast as possible every second.
>>721934932Wizards handled printing, distribution, and events. This lead to disconnect because while TPC designed the cards and effects, Wizards was the one who enforced the rulings, which led to incorrect rulings like implementing the stack when it came to multiple poke-powers. It lasted until gen 3 where TPC bought the printing and distribution rights back because Wizards was fucking killing the game.
>>721918289no you didn’t you grew up with a gay westernised version of the real thing
>Pokemon is bigger than it's ever been>Still doesnt feel like pokemaniaGuess it's too ingrained into culture to feel special at this point.
>>721952000trips confirmthis whole thread sounds like one manchild replying to himself about the "good ol days"
>>721915303it was actually unfathomable
>>721951627If you mean the fans (fat autistic kids on ipads and hambeast fujos) are bigger then yeah
>>721951414WOR TOR TOL
>>721916037you could get gold-plated card tablet things at burger king, but that was either a trading card game tie or or a promotion done for the movie, iirc
>>721915894Gen 3 did it.Cry about it
>>721952245>fat autistic kids on their game boys>fat autistic kids on their ipadsNo difference except more kids play Roblox and more normies listen to BTS
>>721952275mEWW TWO
>>721952361lol no they don't little groomed kid
>>721952462Lol yes they do lil groomed kid
>>721952535lol retard
>>721952462>groomedThat's rich coming from the biggest pedobait franchise in the world, Poketurd
>>721952649Holy fucking projection. Sorry you were groomed on roblox little kid it's ok youre not really a tranny you were just groomed by a pedo on roblox when you were 5 last week :(
>>721950824Literal seething retards
>>721951440The Jynx thing was actually a completely reasonable controversy. No one got angry, they just voiced their concerns, TPC and Nintendo realized that they were completely correct, and made the necessary changes for it to not be as nakedly offensive as it had been. One of many examples of anti-black racism in Japan that isn't meant to carry the negative connotations it does in the West, but is just a product of Japan's insularity. The fact that they fix it so quickly sort of proves that they didn't mean anything by it.
>>721915303>tfw I lived through pokemania but I tried my hardest to ignore it while it happening and only got into pokemon after it was considered cringeEverytime, why am I like this
>>721952810I'm sorry you still goon to 10 year old girls at 35, you'll grow out of it I swear!
>>721952649Pokechads got groomed/fucked on real life playgrounds out in the sun by based fearless trenchcoat flashers. SoulfulRobloxtroons got groomed in game and led on Discord servers by lazy chinlet pedos from their basements into chopping their dicks off and popping hrt. SoullessKey differences
>>721953120>admitting to getting railed in the ass at 7based pokechuds
>>721951627>thoughbeit>>721952649>PoketurdIt's the same retard from the Sharty constantly shitting up /vp/.
>>721953120On the contrary, Pokechads were getting molested by their dads, uncles, grandpas or one of dad's guy friends.Stranger danger was bullshit conceived by guilty family members trying to shift the blame away from home investigations to instead attack an extremely rare enemy.
>>721953118I was always into the older characters like Officer Jenny and Jessie but sorry you were groomed and project so much. But trust me you're not actually a tranny so just try to forget everything the pedo on roblox and minecraft said to you when he groomed you.
>>721953229>generic /v/ termsnow this is poketurd cope thoughbeit
>>721915894No. I was actually there and lived it. The kids that were into Gen 1 aged out around the time Gen 2 dropped with only geeks/die hards getting G/S.
>>721953487nta I'm 32 and you are just wrong I have no idea why there is this big push to pretend Gen 2 was poorly received
>>721953292I'm so, so sorry you still can't find love at 35 and need to jack off to the same 10 r34 pics of old hags. Good luck out there!
>>721953584Gen 2 was poorly received. Losing 35% in game sales and more so in anime ratings was pretty major. No, your group of 3 friends still playing it anyway is not evidence.
>>721952995That's what I mean, Jynx was handled pretty well. I just wish it didn't get buried, it could have gotten a final evo with its brethren in Gen IV. But Kadabra getting erased from the TCG was dangerous in hindsight, someone else could have gotten bold and go after another Pokemon.
>>721953587Thanks so much for the projection but I'm 33 and have a wife that I fuck in the pussy raw which you will never do because a transvestite on roblox convinced you to transition in preschool
>>721953762>numberfagI found the problem. You didn't actually live through those times.
>>721953830I'm using my personal experience with actual evidence to back it up. You have nothing but zoomer seethe.
>>721953762>No, your group of 3 friends still playing it anyway is not evidence.I went to YMCA every summer and every single kid there had gameboys battling and trading each other in gen 2 every single day nonstop even when gba came out but before gen 3 was out.
>>721953249well it was just much much rarer, since was always more likely to be family, barring that someone in a position of power in the child's life(teacher, doctor, etc) over a stranger by farit's still good practice for kids to maintain stranger danger awareness though - especially nowadays holy fuck
>>721953361No it's you, brownoid zoomer from the Sharty.
>>721953962I went to an elementary school of 600 and saw like 5 kids still playing on Game Boys in 2000 during recess. No, they didn't talk about anything else to anyone.
JENNYOH JENNYJOYOH JOYA ONE-WOMAN MAN'S WHAT I WANNA BE BUT THERE'S TWO PERFECT GIRLS FOR MEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqmRevK0JQQ
>>721926986Want to add to this that a LOT of people started emulating pokemon around the crystal era (there was a leaked JP rom three days before even the japanese game came out) Which is why you see the weird anti piracy stuff they put in gen 3.
>>721954123BASED
>>721954123For me it's still 2BA MASTER.It goes just as hard as the intro.
>>721954119>5 kids playing on their Gameboys in 2000So, the 5 richest kids on the playground were separated from the rest? Not a big surprise.
>>721953584>>721953762The drop was just as large going into gen 3. The anti-gen 2 is mostly autists that grew up with gen 5 (and to a lesser extent 3) trying to distract from the criticism those games receive.
>>721954257You think the rich popular kids are gonna associate with the autismos who were still playing the old shit and talked about nothing else? Hilarious.
>>721954363Yes because everyone at my school was playing gen 2 from the kids who were rich and popular to the poor and outcasts kids who were sometimes got along with because of pokemon only. and every kid I saw or met outside of school
>>721926986Truth nukeGen 2 cucks lost
>>721954572Nobody at school played gen 2. Normies dropped it after Yellow and gave away their RBY cartridges. Stop pushing a fake narrative.
>>721954738Yes they did retard maybe not at your public school for hood kids because you all started smoking weed at age 7 and your mom sold your game boy pocket for more crack.
>>721954738Nah tons of people were still playing them. Poor kids didn't get it because their parents wanted to buy them a PS2 for Xmas (since Xmas and Birthday's was the only time poor kids got games). And really the parents were just buying themselves a DVD player.Zoomers don't understand just how much 20+ million sales are 1999/2000.
>>721954825Nice projection. In the affluent/rich schools in my district, only neurodivergent kids played Pokemon. Kids were smart enough to see it was the same shit repackaged after Yellow.
>>721955032poor kids wanted cardsrich kids wanted cards and gave away their gbcsstill got my yellow one from a friend lol
>>721955053Cool I didnt go to public school either so I was just imagining how the scenario you made up where no one played gen 2 would be possible
>>721955278High achieving magnet school here. Gen 1 was huge but gen 2 was almost nonexistent
>>721955210>rich kids wanted cards and gave away their gbcsRich kids got both. If your parents had money you were getting cards and the new game. The crazy rich kid bought both games lmao.GS sold crazy at launch. The problem with a bunch of zoomers looking at numbers and then making shit up is that they don't understand context. GS came at the end of the GBC life cycle. GSC could never have the legs that R(G)BY had because you had a new range of home and portable consoles coming out over the next two years (PS2 in the same year as GS, GC and GBA the next year).
>>721955372>>721955053It depends on what grade you were in at the time too. If you were older like 5th grade+ then yeah older kids were getting out of it. I was in 3rd grade so obviously all 3rd graders were still playing pokemon without a doubt and if you deny that you're beyond fucktarded.
>>721955623Also I feel sorry for you fags that missed out on pokemon stadium 2. I would kill myself.
>>721949073Did you know gaming has already covered this, misinformation and stubbornness, on both ends.The Vatican itself got word and waved any serious concerns early on about the series, so it may sound like a no true scotsman but technically real Catholics didn't go absolutely apeshit, but people who wanted to torpedo the success of a foreign property, profit from the fuss or refuse admitting they were wrong just doubled down until word of mouth created more confusion for those who were vaguely religious but unaware, but as one anon said those who eventually looked into it themselves all came to the conclusion someone had just cried wolf to stir people up.
What year was the absolute height of Pokémania? 1999 or 2000?
>>7219557261999. It was already starting to fade in 2000. GS and the Movie: 2000 gave it a shot in the arm but you can maintain that hype for that long.
>tfw looking up the gen 2 pokemon in Japanese on pojo.com before gen 2 released and getting hyped but only clicking on 1 or 2 of them a day to not spoil it as much>getting those tiny Japanese gen 2 holographic stickers out of the quarter capsule machine at the corner store>tfw my (much) older sister went toJapan and brought me back Japanese gen 2 packs of cards before gen 2 came out here
>>72195572699 for sure, that was the year the first movie dropped in the US and it was basically critical mass hype for the franchise.
>>721956108>All the pokemon gayly crying to bring ash back to life after turning to stone (??) after getting rekt by mew and mewtwo destroyed all of the hypeI still went to see Pokemon The Movie 2000 in theaters thoughWhen the 3rd movie came out that's when people in my class were making fun of some kid for saying he was going to see it in theaters when we were in the bathroom but when the other kids left and it was just me and him I secretly told him I wanted to go see it in theaters too but I didnt actually go see it because I guess I just didnt actually care that much at that pointI didn't watch it until later when it came out on VHS with one of my other friends who was slightly retarded
I remember watching the johto anime intro for the first time when it first aired and Gary had a cape and I autistically went and told my mom that Gary had a cape like she gave a shit
>>721955680You didn't play Stadium 2 aside from the minigames. My friends always picked Mario Party 3 over that shit.
>>721956098>seeing meganium with the Japanese name in some random magazine at the store and thinking>YES this is truly a new pokemonThat feel
