Why is there so few Elder Scrolls clones?
because Bethesda gets excused by normies for all the shitty crap in their games. No other developer gets that much leeway.
>>721915716other developers can't sustain the level of hardcore drug use needed to come up- with such intricate lore
>>721915716Scope is huge. Writers are generally really bad or barely above mediocre that the world genuinely feels inorganic.
Why did you forget about Tainted Grail so fast?
'tainted grail: fall of avalon' came out recently and was a pleasant suprise. theres one called Fatekeeper that looks promising aside from the garbage UI too
This>>721916382Not even Bethesda themselves know how to make appealing lore anymore, they've been coasting off their first three games forever
>>721916674I didn't forget about it, on the contrary, the game made me realise that 20 years after Oblivion I can't name 3 TES clones.
I never played mirrorwind, is it any good?
>>721916382>>721917040The main lore guy wasn't a druggie, he was a historian who wanted to make the writing more realistic by writing conflicting, subjective and sometimes propagandized accounts of events. He was of the opinion that any nation needs a strong national mythos for cultural cohesion, even if it's all obvious bullshit.BGS fired him right after Starfield came out.
>>721915716Because as much as people shit on Bethesda for supposedly being "incompetent" most other devs don't have the team experience, tools, or pipeline, needed to make a Bethesda style open world + level of interactivity in any reasonable amount of time, or at least with any amount of quality.Even something like Tainted Grail has a lot of restrictions compared to a Bethesda open world.
Because it takes a lot of fucking work. You need a game with massive amounts of locations, full world interactivity from every time and every NPC, and a bunch of smaller systems altogether. That's a lot of work and especially a lot of content, which means a lot of time.
>>721917774>BGS fired him right after Starfield came out.Kirkbride left before Morrowind came out. And he wasn't fire, he just left.
i don't understand why tes don't have tons of novelsthey have so much lore to work with, hiring writers to make novels would be easy money
>>721917978I'm talking about Kurt Kuhlman you dumb faggot. Even Kirkbride constantly tells people that Kuhlmann was far more important than him, but retarded fanatics don't listen.
>>721918048Most video game tie in books/comics don't sell worth shit, so its generally not worth the time.
>>721915716Souls games are simply better.
>>721918048Todd really doesn't like other people touching his game. They made two novels that sort of sucked
>>721915716i played the vardenfall demo this spring. it was kinda bad. i get what they're going for but it just didn't click. it's still early access so maybe the finished product might be good but i'm not counting on it.
>>721915716because elder scrolls games are trash and always have been
todd is washed uphe made some jank hits years ago but never got better
>>721915716There was Tainted grail, but it was kind of ass and jank. Not in a charming bathesda way, but in the grating eurojank way.
>>721917830>most other devs don't have the team experience, tools, or pipeline, needed to make a Bethesda style open worldlel. not even bethesda does anymore. they were always kinda hacks but they sold out hard after fo3/skyrim.
>>721918829Morrowind doesn't seem like it'd be that hard to clone
>>721915716They don't have the creation kit
>>721918891nah, there's something great about them but nobody, not even bethesda has the balls to see it fully realized
>>721915716Because the gameplay model is inherently flawed and I say that as an Elder Scrolls fan. Theres always something in all of the games that drags it down to an 8/10 whether it’s bugs or bad combat or a boring story
>>721917603Amazing sense of immersion that’s broken the moment you enter melee combat
>>721919505It's the simplest internally of the modern TES games but that still doesn't mean it wouldn't take a fuckload of work.Also I have no idea how Todd did it but honestly most engines available to devs are total shit for TES style games. I ported a scene from Morrowind, vanilla, and it ran like shit in Unity.
Two Worlds
Because it's a shit series that gets worse with every entry that is carried purely on nostalgia because people played morrowind as kids. It was never any good.TE6 probably wont even have skills you can level any more.
>>721915716Potential devs are poached by Beyond Skyrim so they work on that vaporware instead.
>>721919867Then they get poached by Bethesda from the Beyond Skyrim team.
>>721919821It's funny when you play something like Baldurs gate 3 and it makes any elder scroll game seem like some free itch.io trash.
>>721920084Until you reach chapter 2 and 3. Then it makes you wish you were playing any Bethesda game. Even Fallout 4 seems like a masterpiece in comparison.
>takes a lot of talent >takes a lot of time>takes a lot of moneyyeah i wonder why...
>>721920084>BG3>goodIts trash, people only pretend to like it because it was astroturfed by Tencent
>>721918048yep, everything was perfectly peachy and fine and no problems existed in times before nowreligion is le good, bros
>>721920187That is some extreme cope any single act in baldurs gate 3 blows any elder scroll game out of the fucking water. The writing and gameplay and just raw detail is just is way beyond bethesdas skill level.
>>721918084>Kurt KuhlmanReminder that Bethesda basically fired him for requesting to WFH
>>721920363>gameplay and just raw detail Bethesda game environments are way more detailed then anything in BG3. Also, BG3's gameplay is just a shameless copy-paste of 20+ year old CRPGs with nothing new, Bethesda at least attempts to make games that feel like they were made post 2010.
>>721920232>man_in_robe_drinking_coffee_reading_book_sliding_down_sidewalk_in_snow_looking_at_you.gif
>>721915716Because Bethesda is still running on Morrowind's foundation. Anyone else would have to start from zero. Same with Total War.
>>721919505you'd think. i should give the demo another shot, i'm rewatching the gameplay vid on the steam page.but something felt wrong, even down to all the color pallet and art direction. maybe i did something wrong idr
>>721920616It just doesn't feel as detailed, honestly.
>>721920570Hahahahaha oh man you are ODing on copium right now. bethesda is fast food, Larian is a 5 star steak dinner it is so cute you think bethesda a company where all future products are going to be made by indians can even come close.
>>721920232KC:D is the closest comparison with an even remotely involved budget.
>>721919776they should release gamebryo/creation as open source or license it out.fuck dude even valve's source alpha felt pretty good in vtmb as an rpg engine when it wasn't bugging the fuck out.i hate unreal so much bros
>>721920614>Because Bethesda is still running on Morrowind's foundation.more true than people realize. they've been updating the engine and toolset, but fundamentals are very much the same.
>>721915716TES games are good becuase of the World Building TES has. Not becuase of its gameplay or systems. Nobody else can match that Worldbuilding. Surpassing their gameplay means nothing if you can't even match the most important thing.
>>721919819Kek perfect example of why people don't make elder scrolls clones, because they are even shittier
>>721918048Todd doesn't want anyone besides Zenimax touching TES, it took a lot of convincing for him to allow the two Elder Scrolls novels that do exist to become a thing and he straight up declined an offer from obsidian to make NV-style side games.
>>721920669fuckin' A man that looks good. is that morrowind?>>721920580saved
>>721920884You can use OpenMW as a game engine, some games are.>>721921054Yes.
>>721920987>Not becuase of its gameplay or systemsmorrowind would like a word. they fucked up hard but progressively dumbing down a pretty good system instead of building it up
>>721920187Not true. Act 3 is my favorite act, despite its flaws, and I know I'm not alone. The narrative started around release due to poor performance and kind of stuck, with people mindlessly parroting it for years after. I'm starting to think Act 3 might be the ultimate brainlet filter.
>>721921210Most people on /v/ didn't reach act 3, baldurs gate 3 is probably a bit too advanced for brownoids and other third worlders. They just shitpost about a game they never played.
>>721921053>and he straight up declined an offer from obsidian to make NV-style side games.After how badly Obsidian has fallen off post NV, this was prob a blessing in disguise.
>>721921210Poor performance? Yeah, poor performance of the writers' brains. I hated every single character from that chapter. Especially the lesbian thief and the lesbian Dumbo.
>>721921206Morrowind's systems were some of the worst in the franchise. It was, mechanically, a fundamentally flawed game.
>>721921464Yeah, but the offer was from the time they were good and had just made New VegasAnd it's not as if current Bethesda/Zenimax is any better lmao
>>721921486Look at the shitskin seething over the superior white game, don't feel bad rajesh.
>>721921195i need to finish my save. nigga told me to get a job so i became the archmage and master telvani wizard. never touched the main questdo you have any mods or just the basic vanilla+ stuff and water retex? i didn't use openmw for my first time and went vanilla as possible>>721921195>You can use OpenMW as a game engine, some games arethat sounds rad in theory. who's using it?
>>721921654>And it's not as if current Bethesda/Zenimax is any better lmaoThey're better then Tranny, and whatever shit Avowed was.
>>721921654New Vegas is tranny shit and was never good.
>>721921703>that sounds rad in theory. who's using it?There's a might and magic (I think? one of the older open world RPGs) fangame, and then someone is making a metroid prime sci-fi like game with it.
>>721920448They didn't even need him in the office. Even apart from the lore stuff, some of his best additions were things he worked on alone, in his spare time. Like the carriage tours mod for Skyrim, Kuhlmann did majority of the groundwork and just never got to add it to the release version of Skyrim. So he published it as is and someone else finished the job.
>>721915716no one gets it. bethesda doesn't even get it anymore.
>>721921764They're the same brand of bland soulless redditor-driven shit, the only difference is that Bethesda is slightly less woke and more just plain retarded>>721921771You lost, Fabio
>>721915716The originals are already awful enough, no need for chink clones
>>721916382The eyes, once bleached by falling stars of utmost revelation, will forever see the faint insight drawn by the overwhelming question, as only the True Enquiry shapes the edge of thought. The rest is vulgar fiction, attempts to impose order on the consensus mantlings of an uncaring godhead. First,He was not born a god. His destiny did not lead him to this crime. He chose this path of his own free will. He stole the godhood and murdered the Hortator. Vivec wrote this.You have suffered for me to win this throne, and I see how you hate jungle. Let me show you the power of Talos Stormcrown, born of the North, where my breath is long winter. I breathe now, in royalty, and reshape this land which is mine. I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you
So Vivec didn't truly achieve CHIM, did he? His understanding came only after he used the Heart to achieve godhood. None of it is actually his own or achieved through his own effort. At best, he has awareness of CHIM.
>>721923472>literal cope lore written by kirkbride in a desperate attempt to reconcile a corporate meta decision with his lore that falls apart the second you remember it was still described as a jungle during the events of morrowind (just 5 years before oblivion)
>>721923717my dude, wait until i tell you about arena and daggerfall he had to pull something massive to reconcile morrowind with those twohttps://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/764042I'd post a youtube link but the faggot russian had a mental breakdown and privated all of his tes shit.
>>721923707CHIM was some bullshit. Vivec lost all his powers and Vvardenfell was destroyed because in all his pettiness, he refused to safely land the meteorite before losing control over it.
>>721923960It could be since most of the writing we have comes from him, but the triangled truth comes up more than once.
since this thread seems to be going nowhere, may as well dump the last two posts of my AAR of sorts i made out of sheer boredom and fun i had with elder kingsNone understood why Salazar the Apostate chose his grandson as his successor instead of any other of his grown kinsman at the time. All historians, mages, and elves understand why only now with the gift of hindsight. Gailen Draconic was indisputably the most powerful mage who ever lived. He crushed the pride of the Altmer and fended off the so-called living gods when he took back Skyrim from their clutches. One of the strangest accounts ever given was from his own son documenting a meeting between Salazar and supposedly the lost Elder with Gailen. It goes as following"I found it," the old man barely recognizable as the one who conquered almost all of Tamriel said on his seat, fiddling with the priceless amulet around his neck.The stranger stares at him in confusion. "What exactly?""The eternity you seek." Gailen looked down at the amulet. "...They called the Red Diamond Chim-el Adabal."Explain," the skeletal husk of Salazar the Apostate demanded."I couldn't even if I wanted to." Gailen gave a wistful sigh. "We are fleeting memories swirling about a false, ever-changing world; slipping between one state and another." There was no madness in his eyes but sadness. "How pitiful we are but how pitiful must be the wheel that drives us over and over without ever knowing? The world has drowned in sees of red and yet it keeps turning. I'll be dead and you'll be dead and yet the wheel will keep turning.""...What on Nirn are you talking about?""I'm going to die." He stated matter-of-factly. "I don't want to be here anymore." Relaxing, he closed his eyes. "I'm going to rise beyond anyone else ever has and dream my own dream."
Aged over a hundred years, Gailen finally passed from the world. There are records only Archmage Salazar the Strange had written by him. Of the Greybeards announcing to the world that he was Ysmir after freeing Skyrim from the heretical living gods. A strange heart in Red Mountain he went with them to parlay at. The array of the towers scattered about Nirn of which he controlled so many. The greater meaning of his conquest that all began with Lionel's ambition. One word, a syllable: CHIM. A ghost, a long dead hero named Wulfarth, who he ensnared with necromancy to use his Thu'um against the elves. How the combined efforts of all the previous Draconic rulers including himself led up to the formation of the Tamrielic Empire. These mythical and rarely ever seen writings were named The Collection of Gailen's Walking Ways.When he died, he was given the name Talos, meaning Stormcrown for his divine stature. None knew why but they knew he had become a god. It was indisputable. By some unknown laws, he reached beyond anyone else, dreaming of something unknown to all.
>>721924567>>721924728I could've actually achieved immortality with Gailen without dying, but I wanted to create Talos and the bloodline that comes with him. A shame because he legitimately is the most powerful character I managed to create in this game. I did it with his successor though. Think I'm going to abdicate with him after I finish the conquest of Tamriel. Make his successor fall in with one of the Daedra. Maybe become a pureblood vampire by sacrificing a bunch of vassals to Molag. I dunno. Not much to do at this point
What do you mean an ES clone? Hand placing a ton of items, all of which the player can pick up, is just not something most devs want to do.Lots of games have copied most aspects of ES games.
>>721925171Not really?
>>721915716Because it turns out it's rather fucking difficult to make a game like TES, with the capabilities and freedom of interaction that TES offers. Which might be why Bethesda themselves have seemingly lost the ability to make good games post-2011. See also >>721334118
>>721925806https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO8IG77OPh4
>>721922165>finished the jobMaybe that's the real way to clone Elder Scolls, make a cool and captivating ground work to alure fans and let them work on your game for decades to come
>>721922165>They didn't even need him in the office. Even apart from the lore stuff, some of his best additions were things he worked on alone, in his spare time.Yeah it makes no sense but according to him & Kirkbride, that's what happened. Apparently, Bethesda has gotten super gross corporate. They're probably not far off from a Bioware-esque dropoff
>>721916674>>721916847Forgotten about a week after release, nobody cares about its world or lore or characters
>>721918048Same reason there hasn't been new Adventures games even though an action spin-off game akin to Uncharted taking place in a specific time and place you'd never get in a regular TES like Redguard with its late Second Era civil war against an alive Tiber Septim would do wonders for the setting.
Elder scrolls is boring but it's a huge fucking ask to have all the mod infrastructure move over.
>>721927349>late Second Era civil war against an alive Tiber Septim would do wonders for the settingSkyrim introduced something interesting that could really fuel the intrigue there. It introduced the ghost of Hjalti Early-Beard and hinted that he might have been the man who ascended and became Talos, while Tiber Septim was a usurper who murdered him and claim accolades.
>>721915716>so few Elder Scrolls clones>fewThere isn't any at all, no other game company can give almost every object physics and being able to drop shit without it disappearing.
>>721916674Because the game isn't racist.
>>721915716The clutter.Bethesda has a massive catalog of plates, spoons, lamps, etc that serve no purpose other than giving the world space a sense of depth. You feel you are moving through the world not over the world if you take my meaning.
>>721919821>carried purely on nostalgia because people played morrowind as kidsBut most people's first TES nowadays was either Oblivion or Skyrim?
>>721921210ive always liked games with these big open areas, no loading screens and filled out buildings like the bank in pic relthe only other games that have been able to scratch that itch are dishonored 1/2 and the dark mod
>>721920884Gamebryo is licensed out, it's owned by Gamebase.
>>721927507
>>721921195there's just something off about openmw. I don't mean to say that the original morrowind engine is any better but somehow they both lack something important that makes the world feel alive. Everything just looks soulless and dead like a sandbox
>>721927732This>b-but you don't have any incentive to ever grab that random plate off the table!Doesn't matter. The fact I *can* do it is what matters. Clutter can tell a story just like someone's preferred weapon or armor can
What are the best inventory mods for Morrowind? I'd like something that lets me easily sort my inventory by value weight, DPS, and all that. Also ctrl+clicking to quickly move things into containers.
>>721927834Leave him be. If anon wants to think Morrowind is still relevant let him. He isn't hurting anyone.He is probably going to start shilling his TR mod soon so just ignore him.
>>721920363Larian makes great gameplay, but holy fuck they can’t write. Divinity’s lore is completely disjointed, contradictory as well as being boring and uninspired and BG3 isn’t much better. They have nowhere near as good of worldbuilding and writing that Morrowind and Daggerfall had.
>>721928291UI Expansion
>>721927507>>721928170>It introduced the ghost of Hjalti Early-BeardThe ghost believes *you* are Hjalti. He likely died during the Battle of Old Hroldan where Hjalti first demonstrated the Voice and Shouted down the walls of Old Hroldan leading his men to victory against the Witchmen of the Reach. Likely the ghost was animated by the presence of your Dragonborn status and simply addressed you as the only logical person who'd fit that bill.
>>721923960Vivec lost all his powers and Vvardenfell was destroyed because I put a sword in his chest
>>721928628is there any actual world reaction to killing vivec?
>>721928975Red YearRealistically not really. You can tell (I think) the Archcanon that you killed him but he just gets shitty with you for your heresy and doesn't actually believe you
>>721915716Because TES games suck ass
>>721928561The only thing the ghost confirms is Hjalti was dragonborn.It doesn't matter if you are male, female, Argonian or elf the ghost sees Hjalti. That confirms Hjalti , like the player, are dragonborn.
>>721915716you mean ultima clones
>>721928975It isn't that kind of game.
ulfric bros...
>>721928561You're right, I misremembered the ghost part. The ghost does react to a dragonborn sleeping in Tiber Septim's bed. And he is put to rest when the sword is found and returned to him.There's also this passage from the Arcturian Heresy:>Hjalti was from the island kingdom of Alcaire, in High Rock, and would become Tiber Septim, the First Emperor of Tamriel.>That night a storm came and visited Hjalti's camp. It spoke with him in his tent. At dawn, Hjalti went up to the gates, and the storm followed just above his head. Arrows could not penetrate the winds around him. He shouted down the walls of Old Hrol'dan, and his men poured in. After their victory, the Nords called Hjalti Talos, or Stormcrown.>Before Cuhlecain can be crowned, Hjalti secretly murders him and his loyalist contingent. These assassinations are blamed on the enemies of Cuhlecain, which, for political reasons, are still the Western Reach. Zurin Arctus, the Grand Battlemage (not the Underking), then crowns Hjalti as Tiber Septim, new Emperor of All Cyrodiil.>The assassination story is embroidered -- now it is popularly Talos' own throat that was cut.This whole thing would mean that Zurin Arctus conspired with someone else to murder Hjalti and replace him in the role of Tiber Septim. It would make sense too, since after being crowned Emperor, Tiber was never noted to use his dragon voice again.
>>721929846The ghost invalidates the heresy.Of the myriad unreliable narrators in TES the Heresy is among the most unreliable.
>>721915716Because open world and fantasy are two genres, not a clone of anything.
>>721930108anon, one of talos' mortal avatars is literally named Wulf
>>721930324Your random fact is correct.It also has nothing to do with the ghost or the heresy.
>>721928975Almalexia has some dialogue about it if I'm not wrong
>>721915716Trannywind
>>721930527are you joking?Wulfarth + Hjatli + Arctus = Talos
>>721921210>Act 3 is my favorite act, despite its flaws>BGameS games are my favourite despite their flaws>saying words >but they have no meaningEvery single time.
>>721921703>i did the stuff openmw does>but went from openmw to original + mods that redo open workBut why?
>>721931348If reaching was an Olympic event you would easily win gold.
>>721931348If Hjalti was dragonborn what role was Wulfharth filling?
>>721924283Was it the jews?
>>721931856Hjalti wasn't ORIGINALLY dragonborn. The Dragonbreak made all three people one and retroactively made it so Hjalti was always a Dragonborn because Wulfarth was one.
>>721930108>>721931856>>721932427Besides, he recognizes you as Hjalti because Hjalti is Talos, who is ShorWho you are or are an aspect of because why else would you be able to do this?
>>721932427> Hjalti wasn't always dragonborn until he was.I bet that made more sense in your head.
>>721932514He recognizes you as Hjalti because you are dragonborn.
>>721932514now we're reaching unmatched levels of headcanon with that pictake your skooma
>>721916674As a Chud the game didn't appeal to me despite being the target. I and many other Chuds are sick of nihilistic slop, we want something bright and hopefull.
>>721932817you do realize shor is lorkhan?lorkhan who is talos?>>721932662It's the nature of Dragon Breaks. The setting wasn't like it was in Morrowind until it was.
>>721932662The same people will tell you with a straight face Cyrodil was always a jungle until it never was one.They go with the " If you can't dazzle em with brilliance then baffle them with bullshit" style of debate.
>>721933064anon, that's the lore
>>721933064stop samefagging
Does anyone have that picture that points out the various connections Lorkhan, Sithis, and Akatosh have being the two primal forces behind the setting set forth by the Godhead?
>>721933107Sure sure. Some call it a failed retcon but if you dig it then good for you.A question.If the dragon break changed it so Cyrodil was never a jungle how did Imperial NPCs remember the jungle that never existed?
If you choose to escape with Ralof into Helgen Keep during the tutorial of Skyrim, he unwittingly completes an aurbic ritual through the unbinding of your shackled hands (untying the Prisoner from fate) inside of a Tower (symbolic of the cylindrical wheel, within which all of reality occurs), where a chandelier casts the shadow of an eight-spoked wheel (strengthening the symbology) upon the floor of the same ritual chamber containing a deer head casting the shadow of dragon with spread wings, directly in the middle between the bear emblem of the Stormcloaks and the Imperial sigil.
>>721933064I mean yeahYou're talking about a franchise where time distortions not only exist but are an important part of the lore, the time god and his nature are a central element, and is known for incorporating meta limitations and changes
>>721933307I wish someone made a screencap of the original post because it had a fuck ton of responses
>>721933168I brought up a different point.SThat isn't samefagging. I am not pretending to be a different anon agreeing with my initial point.
>>721933454bruh
>>721932902Talos is not Shor/Lorkhan, it's the nord name of Tiber SeptimTiber achieved godhood through Shor by soultrapping his avatar but they are still two different beingsthe Tribunal and Dagoth Ur did something similar with the heart but they never became Lorkhan
>>721933309Explain how Morrowinds Imperials would describe Cyrodil as a jungle when the dragonbreak made it so it was never a jungle.It is just a failed retcon.
>>721933598If you don't know what samefagging is you should lurk moar.
>>721915716>Elder Scrolls clonesThat's not a thing that existsElder Scrolls, besides the lore, does not have an identity. It's "generic RPG", every fantasy RPG is an Elder Scrolls clone
>>721926035And when the board shall listen, and when the board shall see, and when the board remebers, that board cease to be.
>>721921764you say this after they released starfield?
>>721921210Act 3 is bloated and less serious, liking shit isn't an accomplishment.
>>721915716Bethesda games aren't exactly easy to clone, much less Elder Scrolls games.There's a reason why they've had the exploration RPG shit in a chokehold for so long.
>>721932823>I and many other Chuds are sick of nihilistic slopbased, nihilism is for children
>>721933626Not at all. It's a title courtesy of Wulfarth. And Hjalti/Tiber ascended because he mantled Lorkhan, who never existed as a traditional god in the first place but has always been around in Shezzarines, who almost always kill a bunch of elves because fuck them. Talos is in effect Lorkhan, who is Shor.
>>721934214>children misunderstand nihilismYes. The unhappy faggots who claim to be nihilists are just doomers. Nihilists are people who make their own meaning in life, independent of popular opinion. This is in stark similarity to autists who find their own happiness up Morrowind's asshole. Of course the jews will downplay the truth in this post.
If your headcanon can't survive basic surface level scrutiny it is time for new headcanon.
>>721934464>Lorkhan's asshole got fucked so raw it bled even though he was deadZamn, is that what it takes to birth a god?
>>721934464A few more layers of bullshit and you might convince him.Your headcanon is a lot of work.
>>721933228
>>721934531adolescent post
>>721933626>JUBAL looks over at TALOS, who has becomeLORKHAN [...] LORKHAN wears only a loinclothwith the symbols of eyes stitched into it. His chestgapes open as a jagged hole. From it comes aharsh red glow the color of blood if blood wasneon, and he has no heart. It should be plainwhatever ripped out that heart did so violently.
>>721934721Headcanon? Lorkhan is known as the missing god because he isn't exactly one to begin with. He was the original Earthbones. Really, he's more like Nirn itself. Talos goes so well with Lorkhan because of his own attempt at Amaranth, which if you really think about it Lorkhan succeeded in a way because he is the world in which things happen in the Godhead. >>721934815There it is
>>721934531>people who make their own meaning in life, independent of popular opinion.Thats existentialism
>>721933626Tiber Septim was Dragonborn, which also means he was a Shezarrine since the final plot twist of the Elder Scrolls franchise is that Lorkhan and Auri-el/Akatosh are the same schizophrenic being, which, taking into account the fact that Zurin Arctus was also a Shezarrine, means that Talos is 3 aspects of Lorkhan put together, which logically means he's at least partially Lorkhan
>>721934949So explain how NPCs in Morrowind described Cyrodil as a jungle when it never was one.Just ignoring things that invalidate your headcanon does not make them go away.
>>721934214No it's for teenagers and mentally underdeveloped adults. Maturity is rooting for the valiant warrior conquering adject evil.
>>721935330I don't understand how more people haven't put this together with the whole Godhead and everything being a dream it's having.
>>721935446>No it's for teenagers and mentally underdeveloped adults.so, children?
>>721934949How often is amaranth mentioned in game?As far as I know it was used once with zero elaboration.It is disingenious to use your headcanon as justification for your headcanon.
>>721933419https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueSTL/comments/1n4oxo8/
>>721935467Not everyone follows your headcanon.It isn't rocket science.
>>721935631>redditwe truly have fallen where we don't make screencaps of our own>>721935568Vivec, who most of the deepest lore comes from. You know, the nature of this discussion in the first place?
>>721935754Vivec is not a viable answer to " How many times has amaranth been used in game?"Vivec is not a number.
>>721935957Heresy
>>721915716It's an old well established franchise, so it gets tons of leeway without ever doing anything good or innovative. Competitors actually have to deliver something worthwhile to dislodge the entrenched toddtards
>>721935754The initial entry point for me was jungled Cyrodil.That little gem really bollocks up your headcanon something awful doesn't it?You just keep ignoring the elephant in the room.It was nothing more than a failed retcon.
>>721935682>Closer as Jubal recites his vows. We can kind of see that Lorkhan's heart is perhaps a cage of a dragon. Akatosh.>Closer. Lorkhan's heart-hole isn't a cage at all. Or maybe it is. Akatosh, Time-Dragon, First Born, begins to eat his tail.>Lorkhan's hole is no more. It's healed. His heart is secure. All things are secure.
>>721934947>source is C0DA schizo ramblings
>>721936157unrelated question, but how would you answer the breakfast question?
>>721936041If it waz more than once I am all ears.To the best of my knowledge it was used once with no elaboration of any kind in the MMO. They just used the word with np context or elaboration.Was it ever used again on game or just your headcanon?
>>721936242ESO made C0DA canon
>>721936438>non-canon made schizo ramblings canon
>>721936306I don't even know what the breakfast question is.If you ask it I won't dodge it like you dodge the jungled Cyrodil question.
>>721936482>ESO isn't canon because... because my headcanon just says so okay!
>>721936438It also made jungled Cyrodil not canon.
>>721936679I am a completely different anon, I just think you show signs of an inability to think non-linearly. What country are you from?
>>721928975Almalexia brings it up in her monologue, but otherwise no.
>>721936739correct
>>721918084There's a handful of lore points that make morrowind lore interesting and unique and they were all put there by kirkbride. How many dudes designed and built the sistine chapel but only michaelanegelo painted the ceiling.
>>721936679But I wasn't asked the breakfast question?
>>721936679
I like to think Vivec's trial is canon, purely because it was fun to experience it as it was happening.
>>721937210Cool image, bro.What pseudointellectual wiki did you pull it from?
>>721937401know your meme
>>721915716It’s strange I don’t know why anyone hasn’t tried if they good pull of Daggerfall and Morrowind as a relatively small studio then I don’t know why nobody has attempted a similar style open world RPG with more hardcore RPG rules?Setting shouldn’t be that hard to come up with either use one of the many of the obscure fantasy settings of the 70’s or 80’s which shouldn’t be that expensive to get the rights for. Failing that just use something public domain like Arthurian romances, Greek legend or the Chinese folktales of Pu Songling or Feng Menglong. You could even just make a setting up of the top of your head and it would work. Even the most cliché poorly written fantasy setting could be good within open world game where you can go wherever you want, join any faction, gain immense powers and affect the games world. The fact that nobody has tried this just shows the lack of drive and creativity that has consumed the world since the late 2000’s.
>>721936816I am also not the anon you think I am.
>>721937738>>721936816>>721936679all me
>>721929465What kind of mindgames did Elenwen do to convince him he's the reason the empire fell? Bitch gave him a massive fucking ego from that. Not to mention, the coping that the Empire is completely unjust after serving it. What did he expect was going to happen when he saved Markarth with demands he was in no position to make? The Stormlcloaks aren't wrong but Ulfrik is a giant fucking idiot
>>721937004You brought up the breakfast question. I figured you knew what it was.My mistake.
>>721937210Your google skills are strong.Maybe Google can come up with an answer to " Why did npcs in Morrowind describe Cyrodil as a jungle when it never was one?"You sure as fuck aren't coming up with one.
How would you feel if you didn't have jungles for cyrodiil this morning?*white-gold tower chirps*
>>721937802The first and last posts are mine.
>>721938008Why would I? I'm not part of your argument, I was simply providing an explanation to what the breakfast question was.
wait, aren't dibellah's priestesses prostitutes?
>>721938329Sure.I bet you will still continue to respond despite being a disinterested party.Even as such you serve a valuable tool to keep pointing put anon's headcanon could not survive basic scrutiny.Thank you for your service.
what the fuck did they mean by this?
>>721938451If they take payment they are whores.If they do it for free they are sluts.
>>721938451You're not a prostitute unless you're demanding payment.They're just run of the mill sluts.
>>721938562Gangrape.Coin toss if it's them or having a bunch of townsmen do it
>>721938451They're not. Dibella is the goddess of art and beauty, and that includes sex sure but also many other things like art, writing and nature. They appreciate the act of sex but they don't sell it.
>>721938562please make an example of me
>>721940430There is a mod on LL if you want
>>721915716Because producing a large world with multiple "factions" (or whole ass nation-states) with the backstory for all of it is resource intensive and requires competency. Indyshitters not only lack the resources, but lack ANY bravado or ambition, and settle for making the ten fucking thousandth rOgUeLiKe CaRdBaTtLiNg DeCkBuIlDeR like Shit the Spire or bog standard 2D Metroidvania like Silkslop. Triple A devs have the resources, but waste them all on an assortment of foids, browns, tr00ns, and leftist stooges for foids, browns, and tr00ns, and are as such WAY too incompetent to pull it off and don't even try.Besides that, many good games just do not need to be crammed into the Open World Sandbox RPG mold (Halo before it went to shit, Armored Core, Metroid, etc etc etc)
>>721940403Dibella SUCKSReal men joined the Chantry for the travel speed bonus
>>721921464Nigga have you seen how bad Bethesda has fallen off since NV?
>>721940403suuuuuuuuuuuure
>>721927732This is part of the reason all of their games are a broken mess that modders have to fix. Enough with the pointless bric-a-brac slop
>>721916674i did not. in fact I'm playing it now. The last act feels very unfinished, like it was just rushed out the door. Granted first act felt the same way to me though the second act actually felt much better also there's annoying faggot shit in the game"oh i'm a carpet muncher, if that matters"t-thanks hecking wholesome lesbian couple self insert...
>>721941439No
>>721938451The lore is that, much like in real life with some pagan religions, there are multiple aspects of the gods and multiple cults dedicated to those individual aspects. A dibellan cult dedicated to the sex goddess aspect of Dibella might have temple prostitutes, but one dedicated to her aspect as the goddess of art probably wouldn't.Or at least that was the lore until Oblivion's overhauls to Cyrodiil and Imperial culture, which basically just turned their religion into Catholicism except there's seven guys, in which case they probably don't have temple prostitutes at all.
>>721915716clone in what sense? theres trillions of fantasy games.open world fantasy games with barebones role playing mechanics? still billions of games.
Why would anyone clone shit?
>>721916382though i love morrowind era lore, i think the sheer amount of "DUDE YOU HAD TO BE SOME ULTRA CREATIVE DRUGGED OUT GENIUS TO COME UP WITH THIS!!!!!" comments are getting grating. if you compare TES mythology with the real life myths of famous cultures like the greco-romans, mesopotamians, chinese, etc., it doesnt sound that crazy.
>>721919661if morrowind simply had dark messiah of might and magic combat it would be an 11/10 game.
>>721946259ThisMorrowind's lore is excellently written, and the setting is one of the more interesting western fantasy settings to come out of video games, but its no more crazy than any of the historical stories it pulls from thematicallyThe actual quests in Morrowind are kind of boring and the only real notable storyline is the deliberate misinformation/propagandized conflicting stories about people such as Nerevar, the Dwemer mystery, and ascension of the Tribunal
>>721916382>DUDE DRUGSso reddit it hurts
>>721923472>The eyes, once bleached by falling stars of utmost revelation, will forever see the faint insight drawn by the overwhelming question, as only the True Enquiry shapes the edge of thought. The rest is vulgar fiction, attempts to impose order on the consensus mantlings of an uncaring godhead. First,Reminder Dragonborn is about creating the new Godhead before Julianos/Herma-Mora.>>721923717The first quote was not made by Kirkbride, it was made Shane Liesegang
>>721915716>ctrl+F>Dread Delusion>0 ResultsYou motherfuckers are so uncultured it's infuriating.
>>721950351>tranny game
>>721915716because the eldar scrolls is an extremely generic game franchise that is simply done "very well"you cant clone successas shown by Bethesda themselves
>>721941668As long as the annoying characters aren't essential, their inclusion is forgivable. BG3 understood that.
>>721950351it has moments that are interesting, but on the whole its really not that great
>>721920448source or you're lying
>>721941439t. retard
>>721937210If someone asked that question in the way it's written, I would've punched them.The Real IQ Test Is Not Capitalizing Every First Letter. Fucking mongrols. Get out.
>>721936679He asked the breakfast question because it serves the same relevance on the cyrodil being a jungle you stupid fuck. It does not matter.
>>721915716We can't anymore. We forgot how.
>>721925076>>721924728>>721924567n1enjoyed the read
>>721923707>At best, he has awareness of CHIM.Pretty much. Vivec has an intellectual understanding of CHIM, but he is incapable of obtaining CHIM.
>>721956546I can post the ones before if you want, unless you've already read them.
What were they planning on doing here? I know the Reachmen worship Dibella too.
am i a groomer if i peddle her off to be groomed?
>>721950351this is nothing like TES and im sick of you troons pretending like its some le sekrit esoteric game. its an alright game, but not at all like TES.
>>721923707i still find it weird how most of the community just assumes that CHIM is even a real thing and not just some bullshit that vivec made up. its not "confirmed" in any way to exist. its not something we can tangibly see or experience in any way.
Im working on it
>>721942129name 3
>>721960851Mankar Camoran brings it up.
>>721960851Godhood is a definitely a thing that exists, CHIM is just an aspect of it that was named by Vivec
>>721960851A lot of it is really because of who it came fromCharacters like Vivec and Mankar Cameron - people with access to and interest in the secrets of the universe and the greater cosmology of the setting often act as mouthpieces for Kirkbride to infodump about facts of the setting
>>721960119Probably trying to bound Dibella to her Sybil
>>721961423but how do you know if vivec isnt just deluded and lying and if camoran is also just deluded? camoran in particular is just following a philosophy. i dont think he has any actual revelatory insight, and if he does, it could just be a delusion.
>>721961685Camoran had the Mysterium Xarxes. The Daedric Lords know things because they are fundamental forces of the setting. Vivec himself wrote that he learned it from Molag.
>>721961685Kirkbride heavily implied in forums and interviews that there are some truth in their worldviews, he even roleplayed as Vivec on several occasionshttps://en.uesp.net/wiki/General:The_Thief_Goes_to_Cyrodiil
>>721961990it's always funny watching a video about miraak and it's some normie who has no idea what the fuck is actually happening
>>721962540because only normies played skyrim. i played it in 2011 but dropped it before dragonborn came out
>>721961990Damn does he actually have any kino dialogues in game? I never even reached anywhere near the DLC because base game Skyrim is so dull
>>721916674Tainted grail was fucking trash All of the threads were the devs self shilling
>>721933909starfield still has a working physics system, Avowed doesn't
>>721921210>get to act 3>narrative pace goes all over the place and suddenly the MASSIVE ARMY that was allegedly marching ahead of you upon BG is just... chilling>no real sense of urgency, a lot of random bugs>can't do 2-3 quests due to bugs>if you did most random shit early on you aren't really getting anymore levels so it feels kinda stagnant>certain questlines make no sense, helped those bomb-making gnomes time and time again, even help them blow up the factory>they show up after I completed that>tell them they can't just kill/enslave the random surviving gnomes>tells me I'm fucking vermin and he'll kill me the next time he sees meiunno, the fights were too easy by then and the amount of random fuck-off quests really stood in opposition to the supposed importance of the main quest so it's really jarring, plus the whole character assassination of the older BG cast was bizarre as well.
isn't this basic practice for a bosmer?
>>721963992>you have to be ugly, bromeanwhile
>>721950351I don't like how it looks.
>>721940403Every prostitute in Arena brushed me off saying that they don't like Breton boys like me.
>>721963992>>721964352Namira is a true female Daedric Prince.She wants you to be ugly so she can be prettier. She acts like you're beautiful while lauding herself as your keeper, like a hot woman does her fat bitch friend
You have Kingdom come games Avowed Tainted grail and bunch of other small indie games in EA
>>721915716they require obscene amount of time and money to be made from the ground up. Todd uses slave pits of Mumbai to fuel his generative AI - a feat only possible for someone so corrupt and hateful as him>>721916674because it is a polish shooter game. there is nothing interesting about it. kcd1 and 2 are better scrollslikes>>721918048people are already pissed off about retcons - Emil and Todd like to have some wiggle room for indians to write shitty generative engine for new radiant quests
>>721962879>I never even reached anywhere near the DLCthese are people mad at bethesda
Favorite Daedric Prince?
>>721965294Boethia
>>721965320grosswhy?also, i find it funny the one god who appears as both sexes more than any other is the god of deceit
>>721965294I'm a simple sucker for Azura because I really like the story of Nerevar
>>721965431>why?You get what you put in with Boethia.
>>721965586a dagger in the back?
>>721965087Are you implying that Skyrim somehow is a good game and Bethesda is a good studio still?
>>721965294>>721965320>Personality WiseSheogorath>Sphere/Emobdiment/ThemeMolag>LoreMalacath >Tits and AssAzura>VoiceMephala
How did the Empire manage to successfully occupy Morrowind with the Tribunal around?Was it simply due to being in a weakened state due to the existence of Dagoth Ur siphoning power off the heart?
>>721966082Uriel Septim 7 was just that good
Elder Scroll's greatest sin is tricking other devs into thinking it's an "open world game" and that people want an "open world game"Closed cells are infinitely better than open world slop for now
>>721966082The Dunmer are the biggest pushovers of the setting. I'd say Orcs are, but it typically takes entire provincial alliances to beat the fuck out of tiny ass Orsiniums.
>>721966485Bretons should rape the Altmer back and put them in animal pens to breed and milk.
I like how it covers the eyes because they're blindon another point, where the fuck are my falmer heavy gloves?it's the one piece i need to complete the set
>>721967050yeah you're not wrong but also I'd also really like to talk about my opinion because the fucking plague of "open world" has destroyed so many franchises I've loved.
I am announcing my imminent masturbation
>>721967258The real tragedy is they're not really open world. They don't have half the shit Skyrim and Oblivion's worlds do. Even if they're generic dungeons, there's still a lot of shit to do and interesting random encounters to make every time you decide not to fast travel interesting.
i HATE the mongrel dogs of the empire
>>721950351It's really not.
>>721967363Skyrims design of "each area is just close enough to another place for your compass to show you another place" is the real game saver. Making sure players who don't want to do quests can find perfect bread crumbs of content for dozens of hours is an incredible fix for their kinda mid level design and quest design.A combination of the Skyrim compass filler content and Morrowind intricate quest and directions system would be PEAK
>>721967436cope and seethe, dungmer bug-eater
>>721934214Nihilism is the natural end destination of any introspective mind. Anything before or after is just varying degrees of delusional cope - not that there's any other option for a sane person who wants to feel happy
>>721950351It's really dull. They shouldn't have made it open world because they clearly bit off more than they could chew.
I think for my next Elder Kings run, I'll do a Reachman. I think they need more build up but what they have is already more interesting in the lore.
>>721915716Because making an open world game without procedural generation takes a ton of man hours to create with even minimal quality.
>>721941827AAAAAAAA I CAN'T HIT THE BREAD WHY CAN'T I HIT THE BREAD TODD SAVE MEEEEE!
>>721967952i am 14 and this is deepim more of an absurdist myself
>>721932823this faggot does not speak for me.
And so it was on his 18th winter, Morvan Witchclaw bent his kinsmen to his will against King Rodvar. He sat on the Mournful Throne in Understone keep and declared as such to his people."The other tribes think us weak, hiding behind the walls of the Deep Elves. I'm going to show them the truth. And after them, the Nords. Then the Bretons. I'm going to do as the Father of Torment did when he walked among us: I'm going to fuck them. I'm going to fuck their wives, and I'm going to fuck their daughters. When... If I die, my name will never be forgotten. I'll haunt them until the world returns to nothing."
All the soul in TES originates from wanting to emulate other great CRPGs and to replicate a part of a table top experience.If you start designing an open world game you're already lost.
>>721972294holy shit, random genius baby
no diegood tes threadgoooooooooood
>>721915716Because if any other developer were to make a shallow lite-RPG experience it'd be laughed at.For some dumbass reason Bethesda gets a free pass after Oblivion.
>>721928170This was such a weird quest, it confirms and deny the arcturian heresy, if hjalti was dragonborn and did the shouting too, then was wulfharth mentoring the young tiber
>>721934815I disagree with the snake apart of talos, that's clearly orkey not akatosh
Man, this is really shaping up. I might be able to get pure-blooded vampirism legitimately.
>>721934815Hey, someone posted that image I made years ago. Still funny seeing that people saved it/repost it.
>>721964479>Avowed Avowed is nothing like TES. -Everything is bolted down-NPCs do nothing but stand in one spot every day-You can get in fights right in front of guards and they don't careAvowed is closer to something like Baldur's Gate then a Bethesda game.
>>721965294Peryite, and he never gets any love.Ever since Skyrim's "I uplift the low and knock the high off their pedestals, and plagues are but one of the ways I do that" he's just been plagues plagues plagues ever since.Sheogorath pisses me off in a similar way, where he used to have this dissonance of a wise man giving absurd nonsensical tasks in Morrowind, then SI gave him the manic/demented mood swings that actually made him feel interesting and dangerous, and then by Skyrim it was all CHEESE all the time and ESO doubled down on that.
Morvan was named the Conqueror when he wrested Bleakwind from Uratra of Vabbar. It took years of bided time, but he subjugated all of his kind in Skyrim under his purple dragon banner with an army of daedra and undead. However, the Witchmen of the Reach were a rowdy lot. They schemed and rose against him. So he made an example of them all.Each and every one was sacrificed to Molag Bal. The men were tortured into broken forms of themselves and the women were defiled until none could hold a thought in their faded minds. Morvan was feared by his own kinsmen more than the foreign peoples he would go on to conquer and subjugate much the same. So pleased was Molag, he raised him and blessed him with his blood. And thus Morvan spoke."I have bled and defiled more than any other man. None else will ever exist. Look upon me and know me! I am Morvan Witchclaw! I am a son of Molag Bal! My enemies' daughters warm my bed, their sons work my mines, and their corpses rise to carry out my will! All will submit, in life or in death!"
>>721915716Takes a lot of work to make them. Gotta write and code quests on top of just making the game work. Nowadays a world the size of Skyrim would be considered small, so I have no idea how feasible it even is if you don't use proc gen to cut a lot of corners which can harm quality.
>>721915716boring combat, walking all over the place, it fucking boring.
>>721921004TW is just fantasy and the similarities end there. TW2 felt like the kind of game that would be fun if you knew how to break it because I saw the potential in high jump, water walking, the spell combinations.
>>721915716Bethesda games are significantly harder to make than anyone realises or gives them credit for.
>>721977767You're right but bethesda is still incapable of implementing ladders other havok games did years before them
>>721916382Kirkbride's only drug during the creation of the lore was straight caffeine. And insomnia. That's it. Speaking from experience myself, that's all you need to make the most batshit background imaginable.
>>721977874>but bethesda is still incapable of implementing laddersLadders are in Starfield m8.
>>721978612It's also a discredit to people who actually enjoy learning about the shit Kirkbride was inspired from. As a Kirkbride fan one thing I fucking hate is this idea that "OMFG I GOTTA GET HIGH AS FUCK TO CREATE INSANE LORE" no, no you fucking don't. Literally just consume the same shit Kirkbride did as inspiration fuel.Anyone who honestly thinks you unironically need to get high or be on drugs to create whacky, zany, and esoteric lore is literally someone who has never created anything or knows the creative process and are a midwit.
>>721920321We had no problems with morality, why is the materialist incapable of acknowledging that there are drawbacks to modernity?
they made an oblivion remake, what do you want, a morowind reskin
>>721915716There are tons, you never hear about them because the overwhelming majority never get any success.Also, not to praise Bethesda but the level of detail (and I don't mean graphical fidelity you niggers) in the games are why there qre so few major competitors.
>>721919661>>721946318Filtered fags. Either use mods or stop trying to approach Morrowind as an action RPG.
>>721919158>1 out of 4 handcrafted characters vs 1 out of 100s procedurally generated characters
>>721983290Yes, procedural generation is shit.
props to the orcshave no fucking idea but the one ork duke in high rock managed to conquer fucking hammerfell
>>721916674I completed my first playthrough yesterday, actually. The ending slides seemed extremely janky, and I had three broken quests in total, but overall: 10/10, will do NG+
