What went wrong?
A lot. The combat is worse. The boon RNG is terrible and way too wide. None of the weapons are fun. The mirror is a cool idea but bad execution and nerfs everything from the first game all around. Trinkets somehow less interesting. 0 good boss fights. Pretty much every character is unlikable and for some reason they niggerfied all of the Gods, or made them gay/disabled. This game is a testament to the idea that companies never know why their games get popular.
>>721990253I have an unexplainable disgust for American comic books and Greco-Roman mythology.This is like that, the game franchise.
>>721990253Ohh say can you seeee
Cerberus fight is just Hydra without the lava terrain.
>>721990253homos
The entire premise of the sequel just didn't grab me as much as the first one. Frantically fighting to escape the grasp of your overbearing father (who you see every time you Game Over) so you can go find your mother who you've never known, finding out the reason she left, eventually reuniting her with said father and making your own peace with him was infinitely more compelling than fighting to get into a place so you can kill your overbearing grandfather and rescue your entire family that you've literally never known.
>>721991116That doesn't make sense.If you cared about the characters in Hades 1, why wouldn't you care about them in 2?Your brother and father and mother are all missing. You'd think you'd be compelled to find out what happened to all of them?
man 30+ fear underground is so much easier than 24+ surfacealso the black coat focusing on special is so good at higher fear levels because you can keep at range
>>721991116the entire plot of hades 2 is contrived as fuck in comparisonhow do you go from>literally needing to escape hell, the place you get sent when you die, and your father is literally hadesto>uhh return to shadow now??
>>721990502Nice, I think I'll skip this shit then. I see too many niggers irl as is, don't need them in my living room as well.
>>721991448because the characters in 1 were just barely normal enough to not give me the ickthe characters in 2 give me the ickits that simple, fag
I like Hades 2 but I once again question why this got such high ratings from critics.
>>721992079The answer seems to be that witchcraft is completely OP to the point witches hoarding it is the only reason why every god can't just kill Chronos (and probably each other soon after, gods being gods)It doesn't help so many of the other plot points were just resolved abruptly and tritely.>Hypnos just...wakes up and goes to work>The Fates were never in trouble lmao, actually Chronos never had them imprisoned for anything, he just threw them in a cosmic abyss and lost track of them>You never see the thing Zeus was going to stop Typhon with by blowing up half the mountain, it's not even clear if it's a ritual or device or whatever>Zag's bossfight is just a lame game of tag instead of turning my busted Dion-Demeter-Zeus duo Beowulf shield nuke against me, definitely does NOT play like the guy who can solo Asterios and Theseus>Arachne tells Athena to fuck off and she doesIt's completely divorced from, say, the arc of Thanatos standing up to Hades for Zag. Here shit just kind of happens after a while.
>>721992940No doubt the "diversity" designs got them some points. It's not a bad game but this does NOT deserve 9/10 or higher.As far as gameplay goes it's not like they do anything amazing there. Most if not all the stats for the weapon aspects feel random and their impact varies insanely from easy win to completely pointless, which makes no sense cause something so important has to have a baseline otherwise why would you pick the shit ones. The boon-to-boon and boon-to-weapon synergies are extremely basic. There's nothing that creates some unique interaction and 95% of it all is just the moment you hit you get an additional effect. The resources and the spells you can do are so boring too and don't make your runs any more interesting either.And funny enough they do worse at the writing and the unique dialogue scenarios cause it's what they supposedly pride themselves with. There's barely any special dialogue and what's there is so basic and boring. The overall writing is mediocre at best, stuff like Dora's questline just gets... nowhere and you can't even romance her if you'd even care. And need I talk about the terrible insanely rushed ending?Yeah it really doesn't deserve such a high schore. I'm ASSUMING it's cause of the shit designs that pleases californians but I dunno. It's fun enough to just hop in and do a run if you get it on cheap which I did on early access but I wouldn't get it for its current price knowing what I know now.
>>721992019High fear is 50+, 32 is more of a medium.
The ending wasn't that bad, it was nothing special but not as bad as everyone makes it out to be.
>>721996260i think it was very after school special, but i did like lolinoe and chronos playing hide and seek and mel and zags relationship
>>721996260>The ending wasn't that bad>literally an offscreen magical redemption arc>the Olympian gods, consistently characterised as petty vindicative cunts willing to smite you over choosing the other guy's boon...forgive Chronos and let him make amends??>Mel and Zag's differences about what to do with Chronos aren't really addressed at all and everyone just moves on because happy days are here again or some shit It was a terrible ending carried hard by snappy dialogue and passable music supporting a conceptually asinine premise.
>>721996337See I hated the "look he's playing tag, just like Hecate!" because of how shallow it was compared to Zag's much more bitter memories of Hades leading up to their reconciliation. If I'm hard on the story of Hades 2 and consider it more flash than substance, it's because I have Hades 1 to compared-and I'll be the first to say I wished the secret of what was going on went a bit darker, but I was still satisfied by the storytelling.This whole game's story is like a Michael Bay movie that suddenly segues into a Disney ending.
>>721996260the end credits in this game were worse than the first ones because the guy playing apollo is not a good singer especially compared to orpheus from the first game or even scylla
>>721996809All the new songs in this game were mid at best for some reason, there was nothing like Good Riddance which made me want to listen to it from different singers over and over again.
>>721996853i think the scylla songs are all really good personally, bewitching eyes is my favorite
>>721996619I mean what could they have done? World without time isnt world at all, and gods being fickle is a literal plotpoint. Chronos did mellow out way too hard tho. I didnt like it, but I didnt think it was that terrible either. Except how hard it painted Mel and Zag as polar opposites. It was a chance to see some growth from Mel, but no she remained the child soldier for the entire thing.
>pick the infernal contract without reading (neither did Mel)>have to fight Zag>fear timer doesn't stop either>he has death defianceAiiieeeeee
>>721996939My favorite scylla song is her dis track against Melinoe
>>721990253>NiggerNiggerNigger>NiggerNiggerNiggerGh-Wzzah - ouch - fuck, shit.What's the situation?Who set off the niggerfaggot alarm?Is the perimeter secure?
>>721997207>I mean what could they have done? World without time isnt world at allThe same thing they did with the Fates. The characters often talk about whether every little choice you make is actually the Fates but at the very end when you actually meet the Fates the loli one of them says they're gonna stop weaving heavily implying that what they do isn't so strongly tied to people's choices and free will. They can do the same with time and say nothing much would change with Chronos deadOr have a MUCH longer process of convincing Chronos of stopping and him changing.
this game is absolute fucking slop. every run is literally just a series of bland combat arenas with randomly spawning enemies. There is no interesting encounter design outside of the bosses, and even those fucking suck. This trash is nothing more than a mindless gambling simulator.>95% overwhelmingly positive on steamyeah, gaming is fucking over. Normies and casuals have literally no fucking standards.
>>721996260The problem is that it’s more thematic of 1, while 2 spent a lot less time on family themes and reconciliation.
>>7219984342 needed a lot more melinoe introspection, her being a child soldier is never really focused on at all
>>721997207>Melinoe is the Greek goddess of ghosts, nightmares and funerary ritesTrap Chronos is a eternal nightmare, gameplay compromises of jumping into his dreams to prevent him from coming back
>>721998413>This trash is nothing more than a mindless gambling simulator.welcome to roguelites
>>721996619>consistently characterised as petty vindicative cunts willing to smite you over choosing the other guy's boonI think you're being unfair treating this as evidence to compare other things to, rather than as a mistake on its own.Clearly they just wanted to copy the mechanic over from Hades 1 because it's cool in gameplay... but ignored the part where Hades 1 had no real stakes to speak of so gods dicking around was fine.In comparison, in 2 the gods come off as schizophrenic by trying to murder you while you're en-route to saving their asses at their own request.
>>721998509Bonding with Hecate does go into it a bit, but an aspect of her character that large ought to have been unmissable, like Chronos shitting on her for it and sparking some reflection.
>>721996939It’s a good thing Jetty always goes down last so you still hear the guitar solo
>>721998413Did you not play Hades 1?
>>721990253I like the idea behind his design (Kintsugi, pic related), I dislike the art style. First Hades looked better.
Damn fully ugpraded moonbeam is busted. 1 cast takes 50% of Chronos 2nd phase hp pool and it has a very short recharge time. Can probably oneshot each typhon phase too.
Are there more than 2 songs for the Sirens fight? It'd be cool if they had like 4 or 5.
>need to find a faggot mini-boss on the boat to unlock additional levels of extreme measuresI ALREADY HAVE THE 2ND STATUE UP WHERE IS THIS NIGGERFAGGOT BOSS FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU I WANNA FIGHT ENHANCED BOSSES
Is there at least a hot lady in this one?
>>722000536They’ve got 4, 8 if you could their Oceanus themes.The third is from the vow of rivals fight, the fourth is when you’ve mindbroken Scylla into writing a love song about Mel.
DOWNDOWNKING OF BONES WITH A CORAL CROWN
>>721990253More like what were they thinking?
>>722000672no
>>722000672Just oneTwo if you like Melinoe
>>722000672If you like Goth mommies you should like Medea.
>Have to upgrade Aspect of pan fully to get Morrigan dagger/sickleFuck. I hate using dagger/sickle, is the Morrigan one at least fun to use? I hear its the best aspect for it.
>>722001309>>722000672artemis, dora [ghost cunny], arachne [spider cunny], melinoe
>>722000614Thanks to anon who suggested spamming the chaos trial on the boats until the boss appeared. I hope I'll be able to get it after this fight.
>>722001309looks like AIslop, but I don't even know what you would prompt to get slop like this nevertheless, there are generation artifacts in the image
I've no clue how rival eris worksI just run around and spam shitdo people run 30+ fear along with rivals?
>>722001558Morrigan pretty much allows you to use whatever build you feel like, since the upgraded base combo does so much reliable damage that you don’t need to worry about your build until late game
>>722001798just like in hades 1 the rival bosses are hard until you learn the patterns, but when you do its just free fear that should always be taken
>depict Greek pantheon>fill it with negroesThey could've gotten away with tan-brown.
>>722001734Those are not artifacts schizo, the only one that COULD be an AI gen artifact is the pupil you have circled, but it would be more muddled if it was, all the other things you have marked seem more like artistic choices.
>>722002087they dont have negro lips or noses thoughbeit
>>722002082I mean underground rival bosses are a joke even first try but surface seems way more annoying especially as melee
>>721990253Americans prefer their games with niggers and faggots in them
>>722002082Most of them are. Prometheus and Chronos in particular are very fair fights.Cerberus is absolute bullshit no matter how you slice it.
>>722002631i didnt think cerb was that bad, it was just like rival lernie in the first game. but i had a pretty high dps build
>>722000672nemesis is hot as fuck
>>721990253I detest the character designs in this game with ever fiber of my being
>>722002128shut up retard, nobody would intentionally fuck up hand drawn art like that then ship it its a digital illustration it can easily be retouched they got a batch of slopped art from an artist who didn't give a shit, then live 2d'd it without actually fixing it first and put it in the game, then their shit eating fans (you) lapped it up
>>722002695It’s mostly the on screen clusterfuck he causes that hides the minuscule safe zones, combined with bouncing around like he’s on meth and making hitting with anything remotely close miserable. The backhand is also annoying until you realise it’s part of a combo rather than a reaction.
>>722001637wouldn't echo be the ghost cunny
>>722002969>nobody would intentionally fuck up hand drawn art like that then ship it Do you not know what artistic choice means you absolute mong?It is drawn in a bit of a half-assed style, just like almost everything else in both Hades games, the sloppier style also fits the characters personality.Also, if it WAS AI slop, why the fuck wouldn't they retouch that? And look at all the other "flaws" in the drawing, AI doesn't do flaws like that, it's usually continuity errors, difficulty with counting or muddled parts on more intricate details.AI art looks too perfect other than the usual telltale signs, and you can usually see if something is AI art by zooming into the linework as well, the linework is rarely crisp when zoomed into.
>Tail when using Medea skullFUCK THIS THING AND ITS FUCKED UP HITBOX SO HARD!
I finally beat Chronos with the axe (aspect of Charon). Had to stack a lot of Hera blessings, got lucky with a cast boon that let me target my cast at a distance to set up the Omega special from the axe. Daedalus boons that increased the range of the specials and their damage meant I could fire off specials anywhere in the boss fight and hit Chronos without having to endanger myself much at all, just focus on dodging his attack pattern without worrying about damage since I did so much damage at extreme range safety was more important.
>>721990253nothing wrong with fruity niggas
how tf do you beat Prometheus? most random boss fight yet
>>721990502Supergiant has been drifting into making more and more woke designsWith Hades they amped it up a little, in Hades 2 they turned it up to 11
Starting to work at upgraded surface bosses. Which Familiar should I start upgrading? Gale or Frinos? the Cats death defiance seems pretty redundant compared to health and block.
>>722006802play ranged, you barely get hitmemory game is just you getting gud or stack death defiance + cat and tank that shit
>Echo doesn't want her voice back>Arachne tells Athena to fuck off after all that grind to get them to meetI hope this dev studio actually burns
>>722006802Nothing about is random give it a few whirls and eventually youll get used to it like you did with Eris etc. Even memorization gets easier once you are used to it. Its still hardest non upgraded boss I feel like. When the eagle is out just keep dashing and dodging until it lets out sonic waves and leaves. And dont get greedy.
>Chronos, the personification of time>Kronos, the titan king and father of the Greek godsThese are two different mythological characters. It bugs me to no end that people keep mixing them up. Kronos has nothing to do with time. He is just some random tyrant.
>>721990253Tumblr dogshit
>>722007808As a greek mythology geek I agree with you that its jarring, but its also FAR from worst liberties the games take. Especially when their names and Origins have undeniable overlap. Making them same person is not a new concept either.
>>721990253>Can only get 1 nightmare per run>It can be done with low as fuck heathI'm missing something here? Because I killed Chronos like 6 times now, and I thought this would upgrade naturally to give me more nightmares at more heat but it's still like this Honestly I don't really remember how it was on the first one.
>>721990253Nothing, it's just a DLC for hades with more weapons, more enemies, more areas and more boonspeople crying are just retards
>>722008380You are really underestimating how many runs this game takes on average. Also past 10+ you start getting 2.
>>722008380The scaling is per-weapon.Doubles every time you get one, that's why your twinblades require 8 now.
The aspects are all so boring
>>722007808Chronos and Cronus were conflated even by ancient Roman and Greek writers and artists, so your complaining is the height of pretension and midwittery.
>>722008586It only doubles for first 8 levels, then its +2.
>>722008317>Making them same person is not a new concept either.Compared to the time when Greek myth was actually a religion, it IS a new concept.Also, it is the worst liberty in my opinion, because it fundamentally changes a character. Making Hermes slightly quirky or giving Skylla a girl band or whatever doesn't bother me, it is a modern interpretation of the character while trying to be somewhat thematically coherent. Making Kronos into Chronos isn't a spin on the character, it is just straight up wrong. It's like making Zeus the god of geese because his name sounds like goose.>>722008672What Greek writer or artist conflated them? That's genuinely news to me.
>>722008951>was actually a religionKeklmao>fundamentally changes a characterNo, it combines two. Neither have much of a character except paranoia and spite. It basically just combines the domain of Chronos with the position and personality of Kronos.Its NOT a modern thing like the other anon said. Go read a book for once in your life instead of shitty second hand knowledge.
>>722008662The mech suit is pretty great desu. Staff also work out good
why come the other titans like rhea and hyperion aren't in the game
>>722009180Well, name an artist or writer. Name someone I can read a book on. Because a quick google search only brings up Pherekydes, for whom it is heavily debated if he actually did use their names interchangably. Help a midwit out here, my man.
Are the gundam fists OP? I didn't even lost a single life against Chronos and the fight didn't took 3 hours
>>722008951Plato did not confuse them, but rather drew deliberate parallels between them, suggesting that Cronus's name is a reference to Time and that he shares some aspects with it. Not really conflating the titan and the personification of time, but clearly indicating the similar names is no accident. Plutarch, centuries later, though, did assert that Chronos and Cronos were in fact the same being, though plutarch was writing about mythology that was ancient already to him.
>Χρόνος>Κρόνος>Both extremely primordial beingsIt is no wonder ancient writers were often confusing, mixing and combining the two. And when them being 1 being also fits a narrative its absolute retardation to throw a fit about it.
this game has the exact same issue as 1 where they give most characters a brownoid skin while still retaining white features so they just look uncanny as a result, except it's even worse here
>>722010654Apollo is absolutely appalling
>>722009714rocket spam is extremely braindead and safe
How do you unlock the true ending? just go and defeat typhon and chronos a bunch of times?
>>722010835am I a shitter if I think the axe is bad?
>>722009524Gotta save something for Hades 3
>>722010339What ancient writer confused them? It's been a pet peeve for me since forever, Hades 2 just re-triggered it. But it's all a giant fanfic anyway, so who care. I just happen to hate it.
>>722006880>woke designsWhat does this even mean?
Fucking prometheus fight man, the memorizing attack is so much bullshit
>>722010962Axe works out well if you go for a charge boost or cast blowout with a charged special.
>>722011259I don't even want to think how are the Rival versions of Cerberus and Prometheus
I wish the axe had a hammer that removes the 3rd hit. It sucks.
So the True Ending is everyone gets along and is happy and all of the bad stuff just got paradox'd out?
>>722010962No, melee is extremely punishing against almost all the bosses. You’ve got to be a master of hit and run or have a special/cast build for single targets to use it, since its melee is best used against normal enemies.It’s not bad but it’s completely understandable if you fall for the melee trap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjiYUgx74rULET'S GO MFER I LOVE THIS FIGHT AND MUSIC
Is the Circe staff the only option when you want to go for a cast build?
>>722011593Charon axe
>>722011572>Ben Starr voicing a fire-wielding demigod with an odd affinity for a birdHmph
>>722011685Oh snap I completely overlooked that. Gonna be awesome with Poseidon. Moonlight guide you, anon.
How do I find darkness? I need 2 to raise my arcana capacity.Is 30 the max? that kinda blows
>Odysseus getting all evasive and changing the subject when you talk to him about Circe hehe
>>722009180>>722010339Please respond. What writer or artist in ancient greek time actually confused them?
I swear this hidden aspect is bugged for me, I can't get Moros or Charon to trigger the dialogue at all. Is there a hidden requirement to them besides having a maxed out aspect?
>>72201194730 is enough for one of each tier (2x1, 2x2, 2x3 etc.) and you can get two more with Circe's keepsake, more than that would be way too broken imo
>>722010654Nigga, they look like bronze statues, not niggers, since they don't have any negro features. The only God who actually got an actual weird race was Hermes getting chink'ed.
>>722011593Honestly, cast builds don't need to be built around imo, they're super strong even with a weapon with zero synergy since most of the time you don't even want to omega cast but just shit the circle onto the floor asap.
>>722008380is there anything beyond 48?
>>722012353i just got the hidden axe aspect today after winning both a surface and underground run with the axe and maxing out an aspect. maybe thats it
>>722011054>the liberal pretends to not understand what you’re talking about
>>722012353Moros refuses to hand over the torch aspect to me too.>>721994749>>You never see the thing Zeus was going to stop Typhon with by blowing up half the mountain, it's not even clear if it's a ritual or device or whateverHephaestus was going to self destruct his forge.
>>722012926So it means nothing, got it.
comfyI must have the dream version of No Escape
Think this would work with the aspect of Pan for giga damage?
>>722014125aspect of pan got giga nerfed from EA. i'm sure it will still be good enough though. hestia is still the best for it though
>>721990765every one of cerberus' aoes are bigger than hydras entire room, you neanderthal
any good freeze builds?
Morrigan is pretty broken once you get the hang of it, especially since there is no CD.
>>721992940gay romancesblacked godsinertia from previous game with same aspectswheelchair godseeming polish of the overworld artstyle making shit colorful. Most I can think of. But i've never played 1 and i'm not playing 2 either. I don't know if them blacking patroclus annoyed me more than making all the gods black for obvious diversity points, but it killed all interest i ever had in playing the game regardless and i've no desire to explore which I hate more.
>>722014445I mostly use freeze with the axe, since it's one of the most reliable ways to unga bunga a room without something inevitably sneaking a hit in
>>722014445Luv me storm witch build:>Demeter cast>Demeter slowing cast upgrade>Zeus ranged cast>Zeus Air Quality (all hits minimum 50 damage)>Zeus/Demeter duomelts everything. the hardest part is actually rolling Air Quality.
What is this become the champion thingy? also easiest vows to clear testaments?
>>722015702Unlocking the statues
>>722015702You unlock the statues by skelly. Easiest ones are menace, debt and time (the first tier) imo
>>721992940DEI bump
Aspect of FUN
I keep fucking choking on Chronus second phase
>>722015702You get a statue from skelly with each one.IIRC the easiest for 32 is >hordes>grit>wards>return>fangs>shadow>hubris>debt>1 scars>1 frenzy>2 RivalsCan't be bothered to look up if that fills it all up.A good AoE build will sail through most of this, especially if you aim for air quality which completely NTRs hubris.
>>722016339Shit, forgot menance.
>>721990502The combat is better though.
>>722000857that's just insulting desu
What to upgrade?
Tips for the swords? best aspect?Also is the backstab useless against the surface final boss?
>>722017023Always rerolls. They're invaluable.
>>722017110>>722016195Just had a great run with Poseidon+Zeus on the Aspect of Pan.
Bros the cat saved my life so many times...
>by your Ω Specialfuck me and my speedreading ass. I thought it would work with a normal special
The game is really stingy with rerolls, takes forever to unlock them too
>>722017565>stingythe 1st game had 3, you can have like 10 here, or something. just spend all your bones on ash and you'll have them in no time
Is Ares any good in this game?
>>722017023you can never go wrong with rerolls.also starting with 300-450 gold can help you get a lot of momentum, especially on the surface
>>722001069holy fuck this game actually sucks.
>>722017528Its still good tho. Grab apollo gain and zues/hestia projected casts and go nuts.
>>722018008there's so many people complaining about this you'd think he's the god of whine
Gameplay wise I prefer the underworld but being able to "pick" your boons during the first region of the surface is amazing.
Not sure on who to spend my nectar first Gods or Hub NPCs?
I've got a seed with Apollo where I can take Heroic Attack, or Special on the surface. Which weapon do I take?
>>721990765Stupid dog arm slams go past its butt
>>721990253To keep it topical, I’m avoiding this game because it has huge “we must be better men” energy
>>722018408If you're just starting out, Dora and Skelly give a great buffer against attrition.
>>722017023Excellence helps a lot
>>722018490forgot picI'm tempted to for Axe for this one. What else even synergises with apollo? Skull special? I kinda hate the skull.
>>722018643Ironically the ending has two men telling Mel and Hecate to be better women
>>722014328What's your point?>This multi-headed fire-themed boss has multiple attacks to be aware of! Such as:>Multiple ground slams!>Spitting fireballs!>Rushing lunge attack!>Summoning adds between phases!
Fuck I just cant get Nyx Black coat and its Poseidon build to work. Rushing into enemies to proc night spawn, slow speed omega charge... it just feels kinda bad. Id rather just go meli aspect and stack Zeus and Hephaestus.>>722017695He is good for like one auto attack build with hel skull that wants to build attack speed. And other than that he has literally one good non-duo boon that is the blade circle when you cast.
>>722001309the only hot character in the game everyone else looks gay
It's not dumbed down enough. This streamer has 15k viewers and he is literally just flipping a coin except after a certain amount of heads, he has enough money to increase the percent chance of future heads.
>>722018490Axe special would be a good one.Or the attack if you can get a Hera special to apply hitch and then melt rooms
Chronos on max speed is actually bullshit, his clock move is actually just undodgeable, I actually think 32 fear isn't that bad to get, i got to chronos like 4 times but his OHKO will just melt certain builds
>>721992940Hades 1 getting massive critical acclaim was pretty baffling to me as wellIt was a fairly mediocre action roguelite with a poorly paced story. Other than visual style it does nothing exceptionally well
>>722018997Hades 1 kind of just released at the right time, before roguelikes became the de facto indie genre. It was some people's first exposure to roguelikes and they wanted the big production value glamorous game so Hades was their pick. I absolutely agree though, Hades 1 had an extremely shallow amount of variety. I desperately tried finding anything interesting in the game and just quit after beating it a couple of times.
>>721995776I'm enjoying the game but I agree, it feels like an 8/10 or 7 if you're being picky, not something that should be one of the highest-scoring games of the year. I don't even think the designs are that woke or anything, I figure it's more like the studio has built up a lot of good will after making some creatively interesting, underselling game. But even then it feels like that hype should all belong to Hades 1, the sequel really isn't special in comparison
>>722018997>>722019452Hades has good controls
>>722018821so is ares shit? damn, dissapointing
>>722019634There are much better options generally. His wounds mechanic is just meh. Zeus stole his doom from first game.
>>722019452>shallowThis was really it for me, it felt incredibly shallow in terms of gameplay and the runs felt monotonous very quickly. I thought Risk of Rain 2 was leaps and bounds the better action roguelite from that year
>the dialogue is supposed to take note of most things you do and change how NPCs react to you>they imply it would be something that enriches the overall experience>"Oh I see you have that keepsake">"Yeah...">"Kay...">"Oh I see you've met that one character">"Yeah I did...">"Cool..."
>>722020417Yeah hades the original was like this too. It was pretty superficial
>>722011259the memorizing attack was difficult for me because i don't have a great visual memory, so i just assigned each lane a number in my head. instead of having to remember "ohhh fuck was it top top bottom uhh middle?" i can just think 1, 1, 3, 2, made it way easier. hope this helps
>>722020417Gotta do 10 more runs before you get another line of dialogue unlocked.
>>722020417There's a pretty funny convo where Nemesis makes fun of Mel for the Skelly statues when you get all three
>>722018490okay, so I rerolled because the build was going shit and apparently I can get the heroic attack or special of any god I wish by switching the keepsake. this is very nice to know.
The alternate surface path does nothing to resolve my issues with the game.That being just shit variety all around in terms of encounters and synergies.
>>722021110Once you got the normal ending you’ve seen everything. The game just feels the same no matter what run you do
>>722011259It would be a shame if something were to complicate the attack further.
>>722001798>>722002082imo rivals eris is easier than her normal counterpart. beams dont track you like her bullets do, and she fires them less often. the only slightly more difficult are the annoying armored fodder she summons>>722002631cerberus is the easiest fight in the game, what are you talking about. unless you mean his rival form in which case i haven't gotten there yet. base form literally just stand behind him and dont stand on the giant glowing circles that telegraph his attacks for five seconds before they happen. have lost count of how many 0 damage cerb fights i've done atp.
>>722021367I would have liked it better if they just added more alternate bosses
too many niggers
I think this might be the first time somebody actually mentions drinking and enjoying Nectar I gifted. Usually they do some weird shit with it, or just give a generic thanks.
>>722021796His rival form is the most annoying fight in the game.Absolutely miniscule safe zones in his first phase, complete clusterfuck attack markers in general and he fucks off to the far side of the map and spams fire breath constantly in his second phase, which is made more annoying by constant AoE spam that makes it hard to close.The only saving grace is that a single target ranged build can nuke him fairly easily.
>>722022317icarus has so much more chemistry with mel than moros its unreal
zag mode?
Man Cerberus with Special Scorch on the Blades is awful. It's amazing for everything else but this big fucker is fire resistant or something. I hate this boss.
melinoe
i really dislike 2nd phase chronos. too much shit on my screen
Got a solid base but no luck getting a ranged cast. Should I bite the bullet and take the Hestia keepsake to Olympus to grab a fireball? I don't like the idea of adding fire to my ice and thunder build, but hoping Zeus shows up again might spell doom for me.
Are rerolls better used on boons or doors?
>>722022847He’s actually far easier than phase 1, unless you have speed up on and then he becomes a bullshit nightmare
>>722022847I hate when he does the bubble grid and then throws the boomerang
Why can't I give nectar to Scylla?
I don't know what I'm doing here, help
>>721992940industry nepotism and woke retards scratching eachother's backs
>>722022890Depends. If you run denial getting two important boons on choices is a killer. But otherwise its a personal pref.
>>722022889Ranged cast isn't as vital for the surface, since Prometheus never sits still and Typhon never moves, so for the former you can lure him in to casts and the latter you can hit and run.Might be worth holding out for Zeus just for air quality
>>722023106Origination is basically a MUST HAVE. Even with the steep price, its basically always on and at max rank its whole 50% more damage.
should I start a new game? (early access faggot here)iis it worth it? I don't want to grind the weapons again.
This upgrade should really tell you the blades won't hit again on the way back, this shit killed my scorch build on single target.
>>721990253americanitis
>>722023284A new run makes the interactions flow a lot more naturally since you'll have a backlog, but if you just want to see the ending you only need 8 finishes
>>722023106What the other anon said.
>>722023009Not having a duet after bewitching eyes still hurts
>On the surface>Got 3 poseidon rooms>Reroll one>Got Zeus instead>Reroll another>Is Zeus>Reroll the last one>Zeus againwhat the fuck
>>722023789Daddy zeus wants attention
How do get Nemesis to hold me in her big arms? Do I need to go post-game?
>>722023789>>722023823That's hilariously in character.
>When you choose the dash reflect from Athena she says "Your brother's favourite"lmao
Which roguelike should I play instead?
>>722023624Strength > Death Defiance
>>722019452That's basically how I felt after a few runs. I played a run a day for a month, got a 31 win streak, the story still wasn't even over despite how many fucking runs I'd completed. Why is the pacing so dogshit? I guess if I just threw the game in the first area a dozen times I could've seen the rest of the story because it seems to be tied to # of runs, not progression through the game.
>>722024375elaborate
>>722024375True. Forgot to change that because I focused on Origination.
>>722023106
>>722024502The damage reduction is more than enough to make up for losing all those DD, and you do more damage in exchange aswell. Also makes healing and max health feel way more substantial when you run around at -50% less damage taken.
>>722022479icarus is the only romance route where they actually seem to like each other at all, i don't get it
>>722011054Anything that is considered politically correct.
>>72202450240% damage resistance makes your effective HP almost as much as what max death defiance gives you, and also you get 20% extra damage on top
I haven't played since early access, how's it compare?
I unironically have far more trouble with Charybidis solo than Scylla ft. Charibidys fight
>>722022479So how is Moros the most popular romance pick of all fucking things?
>>722024797Finished art, finished surface route, more weapons, more boons, true ending etc.If you liked EA you will like it; if you didn't like the EA you still won't like it
>>722024827I get filtered by the projectile spam cause I was never good at bullet hell games. You can't just outrun the projectiles like with other bosses because of the cramped battle arena you fight Charybdis in. Fighting him in the Scylla arena would actually be easier, I think.
>>722024827The Scylla fight is worse, regular char is easy since camping away from the tentacles is easy
>>722024797Alot of stuff reworked, some of the weaker shit buffed. Some outlier OP builds got nerfed or removed, Hephaestus sprint doesn't exist anymore and they moved Scorch explosion to Hestia/Demeter
>>721990253Not much. It's a milquetoast product. If you liked Hades a lot, you'll enjoy yourself, but it's just more Hades.
>>721990253hades has to be one of the most overrated games of all time
>>722001069I know someone who would cream their panties from this
>>722020417>unlock the ability to change familiar's appearances>hecuba has a skin that makes her look like cerberus>take hecuba to hades with that skin equipped>no commentSoulless
>>722024827Charybdis punishes you for staying in the same spot. Do one combo then move on to the next tentacle. Run to the other side of the arena when bullet spam happens.
>>722024976I thought it was worse than the first Hades.
>Nemesis is standoffish and bitchy>Realize it's because the Gods deserve their comeuppance only slightly less than Chronos, and Nemesis is forced to look at the largest scale of what's 'fair'>Also realize that Hecate wants her staying at the Crossroads to try and keep her from changing sides
Is Argent Skull just a jankier gun? Shit feels awful to use.
>>722025610You get the right run and it’s broken
>>722025610it's trashI have no idea what the fuck they were thinking
>>722025610You need to build it right. Daedalus Hammer is required.
>>722025645That can be said for all weapons, but unlike other weapons this one feels awful. Reloading was annoying enough, but the reload being tied to the special is awful.
>>722025610I agree. I don't like using it. I don't care if you can make it broken, there are other weapons that don't feel like shit to use.
>>722025610Medea is the top speedrunner aspect in the game.Hel is also very good.Just need to understand the temp of it.
>>722025610The Medea one is alright
I just got wrecked by uh oh because this little shit is so tiny I can't see what it's doing or when it's safe to attack it.
What's the trick to phase 3 of Typhon?Phase 1+2 I can get through more or less fine just sitting under his jaw and dashing out for the slams or the whirlwinds, but phase 3 the slams never line up with the spinning tentacles so I have to go out early and that fucks up the pattern, plus he drops that row of orbs directly in front of him and I can't tell it apart from the orbs that he shoots out into the general area
>>722026026He has brief instances of doing nothing and also when aftershock of straight forward attack still on the ground.And when he summons bubbles if you are close to him.Those are moments to damage him.Otherwise you just run from him, especially when he summons a clone.
FUCK THE SURFACEFUCK TYPHON REEEE
>>722026523You just got to master the head slam dodge and you can violate Typhon every time
Man why couldn't Heracles clear out Olympus instead of Ephyra? Monster slaying is supposed to be his deal, not wiping out zombie weaklings.
>>722026607Do I dodge to the side, back, or can I i-frame it? Does this game even have i-frames?
>>722026698The game explicitly tells you (through skelly) that you have an i frame while dodging and to use it to your advantage.
>>722026698The game does have i-frames but I just go backwards when I see the windup
>>722026689He mentions it, they don't want some half mortal stealing their glory and he usually gets the shitty grunt work aka Labors anyways
>>722026698I frame dodge down to the back, he has horns on both sides when he slams so you can’t go diagonal
>>722026026>>722026320I misread and thought you were talking about phase 3 rivals Chronos.Typhon is a bitch just dash back after tentacles before last row spin.
I'm on a 10 loss streak against Chronos how the fuck are you supposed to do that second phase without getting lucky? Too much shit going on I can't see shit.
>>722027186There are clean indicators where to stand to not get one shotted.If you have low damage kill healers.
>>722027186Focus on dodging his axe swipes and dash. This is a priority. Kill the healbots ASAP. Stand where the instakill moves tell you do. When he does the weird shit where the lines like clockhands show up on the arena I just ignore it cause I don't understand what it does. Hasn't stopped me from killing his old ass, yet.
>>722026830Also, he does show up in Olympus later on.
>>722027367That's not the problem, I can never dodge his lunges and swipes because there's too much shit going on in the screen with all of his clutter and my own attacks
>>722027186If you can get to the second phase then you know how his basic scythe attack patterns work and how to avoid those. In the second phase you have to pay attention to the indicators on the floor of the arena to avoid being one-shot. That takes priority over trying to burst him down. He spawns healers that you should prioritize unless you have a super broken damage build and can just ignore them. Until I got super familiar with his patterns and better and boon synergy my strategy was to play super safe in the second phase and focus on chipping away at him from range as much as possible. Giving yourself breathing room gives you more time to react .
Absolutely ridiculous run lmao
>>722024907Ease of access, I'd say. Takes a while until you see Icarus
>>722028101lmao holy fuck. could you one shot bosses?
>>722024375Strength for the surface, DD for below because Chronus is a fucking cunt
>>722028192No because they have invulnerability phases but I basically did two combos -> Simon says 1 -> two combos -> Simon says 2 -> one combo to kill Prometheus I also had the Dionysius blessing that recovered 70% of my lost life after any encounter so I could just play like a retard
>>722028101Probably the closest to prenerf Panflutes.
>play on 10-20 Fear for a while and keep failing>want to get into postgame so go onto 0 Fear to bang it out>win 3 times in a row with this being the final oneIt was some good training. Back to getting my ass kicked soon.
A lot of people complaining about woke.Did no one else go for 100% in the first game maxing out the hearts for everyone only to get surprise buttsex'd by thanatos?This degeneracy was in the 1st game as well I don't get why everyone is so baffled.
>>722029146Why would you think any of the people complaining played the first game?
>>722029146You can refuse to be gay in Hades 1 without any negative consequences.
>>722029517Not getting buttsex is a negative consequence.
>>722029663Amen to that brother.
>>722029146It's not baffling it's just still annoying, and it's worse in this game than in the last one because woke doesn't just mean "has the gay", you can have the gay in a story/character that still feels natural, woke IMO means "has gay purely to posture, and in a way that actively makes the game worse / is used INSTEAD of writing a meaningful story or genuinely interesting character". It's what >>721991116 said - Hades I had a remarkably engaging story, the gay annoyed me (because every fucking game just HAS TO have the gay...tiresome), but it didn't destroy the good things about the story/world/characters, and it wasn't a just lazy way of adding fake 'character' or 'depth' where it wasn't there in the first place.
Hades 1 was a divorced kid's power fantasy or something. It was alright.
>>722022479Yeah they feel like childhood friends
>>721990502>they niggerfied all of the Gods, or made them gay/disabledI mean, have you played the first game?
>>721998742I don't think I am. I mean look, Dionysus is partying away while Olympus crumbles, Hera and Zeus' duos with each other are making each other fuck off and Athena is finding time out of her busy schedule to shit on Arachne. I actually think it's entirely in-character for the Olympians to be petty and vindictive even against self-preservation. If anything, Zeus and Hera suddenly showing Chronos leniency after everything is what stands out as bizarre and out of character.>>721997207Nigga Hecate's true backstory is one valid solution. Also literally just ask the Fates to enforce their age of mortals, seemingly nobody can actually do anything if the Fates don't want it enough except probably Chaos. And even Chaos doesn't understand the fully limits of his own powers.Chronos did in fact mellow out way too hard and that is in fact terrible BECAUSE of how Chronos had been characterised up to that point. He was not presented as the same kind of antagonist as Hades was in 1, the stakes were too high, and they flat out ignore the more ideological threat he presented like whether the Golden Age is preferable to the current one because Meli is a dumb child soldier. It would be like if you defeated Atriox by going back in time and giving him a hug so that in the present he just wants to hug humans.
>>722029146There's no surprise you can reject or choose whoever you want unless you're an idiot who doesn't read.
>>722024203jej
>>721997379Zag isn't that bad, compared to Charon he's a total pushover->fear timerOh. Lmao, you fucked up.
>>721992940Vidya critics really just follow the tide.What they want is to confirm their audience's expectations which lets them maintain both that audience and their credibility.So Hades 1 was good, and they think the same people will like Hades 2. Hence good reviews. It's that simple.They would never contradict expectations unless it was a flaming trash heap.
>>722030242Do people find charon hard?
Can you fuck the deformed mascot character in this one?
>new female protagonist is stronger and smarter than the previous chud MC
>>722031086literally the opposite lol
>>722031086>has to go begging for her brother's help who fixes things without any issues
>>722024319Deadeye Deepfake Simulacrum
>>722030850Nope. Dora is just there with her sex voice and you can't scissor with her ghost poon. Melinoe's romantic options are... not great. She has choice between Strife Incarnate, Vengeance Incarnate, DOOM Incarnate, or a sad quirky ghost boy whose life is a parable about hubris. Out of those, Icarus is probably the least awful to be around though he is a tragic figure.
>>722031180At least there's still Scylla
>>722031180I like the relationship with Nem as she goes from>I've kicked your ass forever since you were a child, why the fuck are you being entrusted with this mission, this is fucking retarded bullshitto>okay, yea, you're pretty good and I'm impressed. I wish I got to do the fun stuff, but I can see why you're the chosen one
>>722031179is this another vampire slop clone?
>>722031712No.
Damn, I'm starting to get horny for Meli
>>722031180Eris relationship is pretty funNem and Moros are pretty mehI can't get Icarus to spawn so he only has 3 hearts lol
>>722031179An anon made this
>>722032375Eris is perfect
>>722030045They niggerfied the gods from the first game even more, and have almost 0 white people in the game as a whole.
I don't understand the story or how you gotta keep replaying it without breaking the story. In the first game Zagreus becomes a corpo-tier "security specialist" in post-game so things kinda make sense but here I don't understand how.I suppose I should just keep playing.
Are there any substantial changes/improvements from H1 or is this more or less more of the same?
Why are the weapons such a boring shit?Only the skulls are fun to use. Fists are dreadfully undertuned and the starting four all blend together.
>>722030606I personally don’t, but I can at least understand WHY people would perceive Charon is hard on their first few runs. I cleared Zag going in blind. After a while I only got hit because I just got sloppy from how easy it was to keep giving him the good old runaround/dodgespam this game drills into you. Zagreus is literally easier than the tree lady that shoots projectiles in terms of mechanics, he just has more health.>>722031113>kills Chronos, who soloed Zag and his entire family including the fucking incarnations of Night and Death (temporarily)>knocks down Typhon, the thing ZEUS feared, and eventually kills him for good>repeatedly uses witchcraft to break fundamental rules of the setting. Comes up with an incantation to walk on the surface which kills Zag in seconds>Hecate is actually a bad future version of her who succeeded in killing Chronos, merged with his powers, and went so far back in the past none of the other gods remember her as anything except a TitanessIt is very, very clear lorewise that Meli is ultimately much deadlier than Zag solely because of witchcraft hax. And possibly more powerful since fluffwise the Hexes are supposedly Selene unlocking her innate potential. Sometimes. I mean the moon slam is probably Selene doing an assist but Dark Side is apparently HER super mode.This isn’t necessarily a bad thing. As the ending shows fighting and winning isn’t necessarily anything, and it makes it all the funnier Zagreus’ superior social skills let him fix the problem in a way Meli hasn’t been able to in a way that left her happy.
>>722033027It’s not a complicated story really, shit just unlocks at funny times.>>722033556I think the Supay Flames are fun, spinning is a good trick.
>>722033027>Suddenly wears a normal length dressWhen did she become a tradwife?
Scylla is almost as charming as Lernie.
>>722033743>I think the Supay Flames are fun, spinning is a good trick.They are kinda just... the same as spamming ranged on a sickle or staff attack. You just hold the attack button and turn your brain off.
>>722033216Gameplay is a lot more dynamic between runs with different weapons feeling very different and aspects of them changing gameplay significantly, and there's more emphasis on positioning and being smart instead of just trying to reflex dodge through everything.
someone give me tips on getting through the game, i reached chronos once because i got zeus boons but he hasn't showed up again in 6 hours or gameplay
Man Sirens 2.0 is difficult
>>722033910Lernie was fun because Zagreus' banter is usually great and Lernie was just a wall for him to bounce jokes off of. Melinoe is usually so stiff and polite, but Scylla seems to really bug her and she has a lot funnier interactions with her than most other characters.
>>722033556I think the axes are fun, spinning is a good trick.
>>722034081Give a nectar to every good the first time you see them so you can get their keepsake just like the first game, retard.
>>722034081just keep playing and unlocking shit, especially arcanayou outscale everything eventually
>>722034081Keep a nectar on you at all times, wait for Zeus to show himself again then gift him up so you get the cloud bangle and can guarantee his boons going forward. Unfortunately there's just no way to really force a god to show up without the keepsake.
>they brought Zag as a boss but instead of making him a superboss he's by far the biggest jobber in the gameWhy would you disrespect him like this after sucking his dick all the game?Make him impossibly bullshit. He's a god damned arena champion now. He doesn't seem to need aspects to use powers.
>>722034081Whittle down enemy groups from a distanceHit 'n run bosses with strong melee buildsPlan for long-term powers, Chronos is way harder than anything before him
>>722033980>the attachI think you mean special, but fair. I just like going in circles. >>722034190Based.
>>722033556Aspect of Nyx Xinth is very fun and also strong
>>722034229Zag with no boons or other buffs probably isn't hot shit.
>>722034229He barely uses powers at all. To be fair I can’t complain it isn’t loreful, Zag is really not much of a fighting autist outside of when he had pressure to escape Hell. But also yeah it’s weird to imagine him beating Theseus with what he showed here.
>>722032375I miss my gun bros, I literally had to open Hades 1 between sessions just to play with it again
>>722034325He seems to be an arena champion which implies he's indeed a hot shit.
>>722034337He barely uses anything, just stands there. Could've brought Hades moveset to show his growth.
>>722034137My favorite so far has been Scylla not understanding who her sponsor is.
>>722034476Yeah I would’ve at least appreciate a full suit of combat-relevant Mirror of Night upgrades and his iconic sword. Imagine getting dodgespammed against.
>>722034229He feels rushed>We are almost done with the game and ...Holy shit people want Zag as a boss?! uuuuuuuuh just give him a spear or something and re use the Theseus gameplay
>>722034487For me it’s her Vow of Rivals mode making Meli ask Ody if he knows Scylla and Charibdys have been collaborating recently, and he just goes “…yes??” making Meli think they really have been in a band for ages. All the Odysseykino jokes are great really. I wasn’t a fan of how they did Circe but I do appreciate they sort of make clear she has a vindictive side Meli isn’t inquisitive enough to pick up, judging from how she dodges around talking about Odysseus and Scylla.
>both female love interests are human trash, absolutely despicable, annoying cunts>Mel can't stop the waterfall in her pants each time she talks with Moros, nearly squealing from excitement sometimeskekreminds me of Estelle and Joshua
>>721990502Should've seen it coming after not letting you seduce headusa
>>722035017I keep saying this but it REALLY is an otome game.
>>722034337>I can’t complain it isn’t loreful, Zag is really not much of a fighting autist outside of when he had pressure to escape HellHis job afterwards is literally doing it again and again whenever he wants to the point that people are more afraid of him than Hades after hearing about him constantly rampaging through hell and I think he even says or implies it's finally something he's good at and enjoys compared to administration.
is there a male love interest
can someone explain scorch? the description says they take 100 damage every second but then what's the scorch damage mean?
>>722035226
>>722035226There are two. Icarus and Moros (doom incarnate).
>>722035281i hope there's another one
>>722034857Giving Charibdys the death metal growl in the new song is so fucking funny. Apparently there's a love ballad too, but I haven't figured out how to unlock it yet.
>>722035238They take up to 100 Scorch DOT every second, more with the right Boons, then the other number is how much Scorch the hit is applying, which stacks on the enemy indefinitely if you apply more than 100 Scorch a second.
>>721996939To be honest Scylla was the only thing I liked about this game. I deleted the game off my PC because it's designed to be addictive but I wasn't having fun. The ghost girl in your room was nice too I guess.
>>722035281I must've skipped a cutscene or something because this fuccboi is acting like Melinoe's known him all her life.>>722035408Bro Arachne? And her sidequest?
>>722035437He's a friend she knew before the start of the game but has been absent since she started doing her Death to Cronos runs.
>>722035437>Bro Arachne? And her sidequest?I'm arachnophobic so I only gave her one nectar to get her item and never went back to that room.
Did that effort to detrannify some aspects of the characters ever happen (lol).
>>722035226There are two of them and they are both straight from shoujo mangaA sweet childhood friend and a mysterious, ruthless and powerful but actually soft spoken and kind stranger
>>722035641Moros is also like 7 feet tall and just looms over Melinoe. You can hear her trying not to squee every time he talks to her.
>>722035609I had the biggest "oh shit" moment when I realized who Dora was in life. Seems obvious in hindsight.
>>722035641Pretty sure Moros has a dialog of straight up saying he is promised to someone else in the future, he just doesn't know who because lmao fates.
>>722035718the explora?
Do any of the male characters have long hair in this one?
>>722035716>meets him by accident briefly>i NEED to find Moros sempai again
>>722035773Yeah, that Swiper-no-swiping scene came out of nowhere.
>>722035773Pandora
massive hades 1 hater. dropped about 30 hours doing side quests and completing main story. should i even bother playing 2? I wanted to like 1 so much so i kept dumping time into it and by the time i finished it felt meh
>>722020417Just like the first game. Now with somehow even worse voice acting, more mic-peaking, more popping their Ps, and Clicking their Cs.
>>722036090Personally, this is why I like playing it early access more. I get that some people like doing a clean slate run at 1.0 but I find it much more palatable if I beat what's available then come back and do it over again.
>>722035784you should be asking which one doesn't
>>722036090Probably not? It's more of the same.
>>722036302And sold.
I did it bros I cleared Chronos for the first timeI'm sorry for bad mouthing Hermes' boons before, his leggo gold for health thing is the sole reason I did itThat and Hestia's scorch on attack buffs apparently
>>722036489Now do it 10 more times, and the olympus side as well
>>722036489Gratz. It never gets harder than this, outside of optional content.
>Olympus Axe run>Melinoe>Get Aphrodite life and magick bonus at 20% >Pick up hearts when I see them>Dionysus gives me the 90-120 max hp>Demeter gives me the water infusion -10 damage takenFULL gorilla activatedMy max hp when the run ended was 546, I couldn't see it obviously but I guess I was never even close to dying
>>722036664>Outside of the things that make the game harder it never gets harderNo shit genius.
Is Typhon just a big fuck you to the backstab sword?
>>722030045Nigger, they even made hermes into an asain. Because reasons
>>722036489Hermes has the strongest boons on average for any of the regular gods
Speaking of all the greek gods and stories, are the classics worth readingIf so, which ones
>>722037675I would say it's more of a meta boon. It's hard to just use hermes only boons but with the right build they enable bullshit.
>>722037757I fucking love the legend of Sisyphus capturing death.
BRO WHERE'S THE FUCKING ADAMANT
>>722013116you know exactly what it means, you disingenuous snake.
They should have held off on Zag as a boss and added him as a later update with a proper good superboss encounter
>Go to Surface first time with basic staff, don't pay attention to my build, just checking stuff out>Beat TyphonSo uh...Father of all Monsters?
For the life of me I can't beat chronos reliably, I've managed to beat him twice. It just doesn't click for me like Hades did in the first game. That move where he throws out the spinning thing in an arc in front of him hits me like EVERY TIME.
How do I unlock the true ending? does it have to be with the secret ingredient that requires 5 chronos kills?
Chaos doesn't feel as worth it in this game comparatively
>>722038490I look like this.
>>722038490He can't hit you in front of him if you're behind him.
>>722038490Don't hit 'n run and then run back, attack behind him.
>>722038465If you kill Promethius, Typhon is largely a cakewalk.
>>722038621I find myself rerolling him a lot and then I end up taking something that's just alright for a demerit that's really annoying.
>>722038621% Gold means buying everything from the shop every time you see CharonThe higher rarity damage boons are equivalent to regular god boons and you can stack it on top of them obviously
>>722039116Most weapons don't get their damage from the weapon damage outside of maybe the axe, I feel. This game is about stacking proc on hit effects and fast attacking weapons to proc them repeatedly, imo.
>taking Medea's buff to stack max magick>Hephaestus never wants to give me the boon for max health based on magickDumb fat bastard
>>722039236The Axe particularly loves the better damage multiplier gods like Aphrodite, Apollo and Demeter, and it's more rare on the other weapons but particular Hammers can enable them too, I had the +300% swing on Morrigan for giant 1-2s with Apollo and it was really good.
>>722039363Bro your changes of fate?
How do I advance arachne bond? can't give her gifts or anything
Lucid gain + charon = win
Boons for dual daggers? The short reach on these things means I get destroyed by everything quite fast.
>>722039996Flame special, especially for pan or if you go fishing for the hammer that makes your omega move go in a straight line instead of a fan.
>>721990253Why did they make all the greek gods multiracial anyways? Isn't that the cultural appropriation thing that they hate?
>>722002167Yes they do.
>>722024656damn I thought Divinity worked only for rows
>>722039704Cheating
>>722039996Grab apollo attack and no longer have short reach? Get that one daedalus hammer that makes the final attack larger for silly reach.
I really want Hecuba and Melinoe to sex each other
The grannycore in this game is absolutely ridiculous.
What is a better use for your rerrolls doors or boons?
>>722040631Boons unless you're locked into mag capacity increase door.
Melinoe belong to satyrs
god the prometheus fight is such a visual mess, i really dont know what's going on besides that one move
I beat the game and went through up and down twice so far but I'm still missing one heirloom. Where or when will I find zagreous?
crazy how they doubled down on all the designs being ugly as fuck
>>722039964I also did a build with Lucid Gain and Geyser, just ridiculous damage. Had Apollo special and I guess it could have been something else
Find it funny that the two female love interests are massive BPD cunts while the two male love interests are wholesome dudes. What did Supergiant mean by this?
>>721990253Every character portrait I've seen posted from this game is some black homo
Got the dog, cat and frog, where are the other pets?
>>722041050>the two female love interests are massive BPD cuntsThey're men of cultureYou just know Eris is into choking
>>722041226Ferret is the best one by far.
>>722040674is max HP bad??
>>722041226Ferret is just before Prometheus, I met the bird in the forest only once a while ago.
Not going to lie I suck at this game. I'm so used to playing super aggressively with Zag that I do the same with Mel and get punished for it.
>>722041386>forestunderworld?>>722041282better than the cat? the extra revive carried my shitter ass...
>>722001069this game looks really bad
>>722041282>>722041226The best companion is the one that gives more drops of whatever you are trying to farm.
>>722041434>tfw love cats but I'm living the Strength life
>get two hammers and multiple boons to buff the specials of the witch staff>It still legit does worse than 0 buffs 0 boons attacksHow the fuck did this game go through 2 years of tweaking and still end up like this
>>722041432i felt this for the first 60% of my playtime, being limited to a single dash felt oppressive until i found out about sprinting on accident because i'm a fucking moron. if you still want to play super aggressive though, skull and aspect of artemis daggers are very fast paced and aggressive, with both of them giving you leeway for getting hit. skull in particular basically has a second dash, just without the i-frames.
>>722035017Nemesis is only a cunt at the start of the story and shes a better person than Melinoe, morally and all. Nem's ocd forced her to confront the fact that the gods are cunts while Mel remains a child soldier with no opinions all the game
>>722035017Icarus is also nice, not a big fan of the whole "muscle mommy is an asshole but you should like her anyways"
>>722042231>muscle mommy is an asshole but you should like her anywaysMegara worked in the fist Hades game.
>>722042231I'm sure Icarus is a perfectly swell dude, unfortunately I'm about to do the last run on Cronos and I only met him like 4 times and could only give him nectar once so I pretty much didn't see anything of him.
>>722041835I find Eris to be hotter. Unfortunately she's a crazy bitch.
>>722037036The familiar link on the staff doesn't work either...
>>722041835>Nemesis is only a cunt at the start of the story It takes a very, very long time for her to learn to stop being a cunt though. Fucking HERACLES is less of a cunt sooner and his whole thing is being so sick of god bullshit that defeating Chronos and Typhon is just another day on the daily grind for him. At least he never mugs you early game. Nemesis showed me they learned absolutely nothing from Megara, that or the main simp playerbase taught them they could get away with doubling down.>>722041826Wait, how the fuck did you miss sprinting?
>>722042629>UnfortunatelyCrazy bitches are the best in Hades games, see also Alecto being best girl in Hades 2
will people finally accept that hades 1 was never good?
>>722042629Eris need a better haircut
Best aspect for the staff? circe any good?
Was kind of hoping that Megara and her sisters would be a secret boss fight after the ending but they aren't even in the game at all.
>>722042737Nope. There were things I liked about it, and things I didn’t like. Just like there was enough in this game for me to play it through even though there were more things I didn’t like this time around. It was good enough I don’t regret my time and energy spent on it. It was bad enough I’m here on /v/ happily nitpicking on what both fucked up.
>>722039964I don't know why they made it so safe and so strong and then never nerfed it
god, the axe is such a fucking garbage weaponno aspects can save this garbage
>>722042668i was still hades 1 brained thinking there'd eventually be a second dash from the arcana (i hadn't found out you could level them up at the time either) and never held the button down. zero experimentation because of the expectation and i feel really fucking stupid seeing how big a difference sprinting makes. the fact that multiple boons mention sprinting and i still just thought 'oh it means dashing' despite reading the text that says 'hold the button down you mongrel' is completely unjustifiable, i'm just stupid
The EA made me think Hecate and Odysseus were love interestsFML
>>722043161Thanatos owns.
>>722042821Circe and Anubis are hilarious, basic bitch is eh, and the triple firing omegas seems fun but like a lot of work since you overwrite your ongoing casts of the same move.
>>722043534help me out to git gud with them
>>722043161thanatos is based in underworld, but has some serious rough patches on the surface. especially prometheus, probably axe's roughest barrier but especially thanatos'charon and melinoe charge special builds always wreck house
Apollo boosts your SprintingAres boosts your DashBut what the fuck is the Rushing that Aphrodite boosts?
The trick with the Axe is you need to let go of the spin early sometimes.
>>722043575Circe is just "make a cast build you retard", so Zeus, Hestia, Demeter, Apollo, and Ares are all strong with big Z being the biggest baller. Anubis is similar but you now have two buttons that make a cast, with the attack one being capable of procing shit that is insane on a cast style effect. Need to have the muscle memory to never press your special though because you will yank enemies into eating your face.
Does poseidon sucks when it comes to damage/boss killing?Also qrd on aphrodite?
>>722043686Nah see the trick with the axe is to go Charon and blow up everything from the other end of the screen with your special, just like the lategame enemies will try to do to you.
>>722044292Poseidon's alright on the faster attacking weapons, I guess. I don't like him on my attack or special too much. He has some really good boons that increase your rewards though.
>>722043804>MAKE A CAST BUILD YOU RETARDFeels like the whole game is shouting at me to do that so out of pure spite I invest in specials and just ignore that shit.>>722044292Depends on your weapon but generally speaking FUCK no. First of all, Poseidon is the cashmoney god. Whatever your playstyle is being able to buy more shit at Charon shops/Hermes chairs is going to make it better. Second apart from contributing base damage numbers which matters way more than some gay little percentage slapped onto Meli’s pillow hands, his sea foam damage adder things made him respectable for boss killing as long as you can hit repeatedly. That’s the key for Poseidon I think-for best results you want a rapid shot weapon so you benefit from his knockback and position enemies for his other wave-like boons. He does fall short in single target damage potential. My preference is to put him on the torches’ special then Zeus on the attack, so Arc just procs while things are stunlocked out of reach.>qrd on aphrodite?Cast is deceptively good because putting everyone in one spot makes them easier to take out with an Omega attack. They nerfed her damage-adder into the ground but it’s still as good as your own skill level since it doubles while you’re healthy. Due to Hades 2 being more focused on casts and spammy attacks than heavy hits I feel she’s less useful for raw damage than in 1 where you could put her attack on the sword and hit bigly, but she’s still decent for utility.Ares won bigly in this game even after they nerfed him.
>>722044751>Feels like the whole game is shouting at me to do that so out of pure spite I invest in specials and just ignore that shit.I'm with you, I think they didn't like that some people didn't bother with it in Hades 1 but making it free to cast just made me less interested in it. And even when I use it with some decent stuff it's not topping my DPS charts anyway. It's better for effects without dedicated builds.
The rock that I need to build the mecha suit never spams in Olympus am I missing something?
Scylla's voice is so cute
i just got the first hades game. why is athena black
>/v/ play tranny DEI trash game nowwhat the fuck happen
>>722046139Some fucking how, there are no better isometric roguelikes out there.
>>722046139>/v/ plays games now
>>722046228Does the isometric part of it really matter?
>>722046139>buzzwords>ESLHow easily the thirdie Reddit refugee reveals themselves.
>>722046139>now
>>722046280I've been here since 2016.
>>722001069No way in hell that's real, damnit
>>722046364It saddens me that there are people who might unironically post this on this website.
>Equip the axe>can't get past rival cyclops>switch to the torches>ez winAny early access niggas here? did the axe got giga nerfed or something? cause I can't imagine why would they release 1.0 with this garbage
>>722046436I found it all funny.
>>722046461it just requires a different buildstill weaker than the rest of the weapons though, at least baseline
This game is boring. Binding of isaac is more fun roguelike game. Is this what normal faggots want? Voice acting and pretty graphics rather than a fun game?
>>722046461I…don’t think so? Axe and flames are still easily the most OP weapons in the game. To BTFO the cyclops just put Ares on special then keep running to the other end of the map and walloping him with crimson shockwaves. That’s it. That’s the entire secret. Oh you can spice it up with Hera/Aphrodite’s damage addres, add Zeus’ chaining lightning or targettable cast if you’re feeling fancy. But fundamentally for the purposes of fighting the cyclops, the axe is a BFG you shoot at him from afar. If you are close enough to spin, something has gone very wrong.
>get the Ares lifesteal boon>take 400 damage from Cronos>win anywayI'm a pro gamer.
Give me your best axe builds?
What are the best weapons to clear shit if I'm new to the game and not that good?I just discovered the Circe staff and how retardedly overpowered it is to just take Zeus cast and go nuts. Any other similarly strong and braindead builds?
>>721990253>durrr im gonna play the same short game over and over and over and over and over and over and overits a fucking roguelite. this genre needs to be obliterated
>>722042231Icarus is an annoying cringe nerd. Somehow less manly than both female romance options and even Mel herself.
which god is the one that lets you cast your big circle aoe at range again?
>>722047162Yes you are. You learned Hades 2’s dirty little secret: It wants you to prevail with death by a thousand cuts instead of big flashy hits like it was possible to in 1.
>>722048527Zeus Lightning Lance lets you aim your castsHestia fireball shoots your cast like a fireball
>>722046461No the axe feels countered by that bitch ass cyclops. I had to semi-cheese it with Charon
The fist weapons are so disappointingI really liked the gun in Hades 2 because of how cool it was to have a futuristic gun in a mythological setting like Hades so I'm disappointed at how shitty the fists are in Hades 2.The missile lock-on is so awfully slow, the damage is quite awful for how long it takes to cast and they really put the miss in missile because they miss a lot despite having lockon.
>>722048661Honestly getting good with this game feels like just embracing cheese-like behaviour. Olympus is a good example. You are actively punished for fighting the spinning automatons “fair” and not jumping corners while shooting at them from around cover. And Typhon’s spawn actively cheat in various ways.
>>722046461What they changed from early early access is that the omega special used to have a shield, which they gave to the fists instead. To me axe is all about charging the omega attack and then dashing into a group of enemies, that with the hidden aspect is the only thing that allows me to clear high fear with the axe.
>>722048878Isn't that the entire point of roguelikes? Roguelikes do not play fair so why should you? The fun of these games is figuring out the broken shit and cheesing the enemies with your weapon of choice
>>722048956>What they changed from early early access is that the omega special used to have a shield, which they gave to the fists instead.The shield on the fists seems shitty because it only blocks one hit, can sometimes fail to block and you're gonna eat shit on multi hit moves
>>722048973I mean kind of, but there are degrees you know? Like Hades 2 normal gameplay makes spamming Athena dashes in 1 look equitable by comparison.
Why is Born Gain considered the best mana regen boon? Isn't it cripplingly bad to have your entire MP bar primed and have no way of using any abilities once you reach the limit?
>>722049138It only primes a bit of your max for a full refill, no? And it refreshes once you leave the current map too I think.
>>722048973the best ones feel fair.Hades 1 felt fair for example
>>722049138fire lady has the best mana regen 2bh.That shit with the torches goes hard
>did 16 Fear for my last Chronos run for postgame since that's what a weapon needed and I felt like pushing it>ended up going in with 50% HP because of some bad misplays in the final room, think I'm fucked>end the fight with 9 HP left out of my 120 to start withSweet.
>>722049138Is it? Cardio is insane on any fast or cleave attack build, and the free mana on cast running out is decent otherwise + pairs with quick cast duration for faster regen
>>722049138If you have a good enough amount of total MP and/or good rarity, there are no rooms with enough enemies or bosses with enough HP to survive you unloading your whole MP bar until it's fully primed as long as you have a half decent build. Making it effectively infinite MP that you don't have to do anything to reload or wait like other MP boons. They had to nerf it hard because it used to be pretty much infinite MP even at base MP, but it's still absurd.
so based on the comments in this thread, axe and fire goddess is the way to go?
>>721990253It's alright but it turns into a massive collectathon and a winning run is up to the RNG Gods.Mel is a cute though.
I find any Mana boon makes Mana infinite, it's just some are a bit more convenient than others.
>>722049215It primes X mana once you run out of ManaSo if you have 100 max mana and run out, it primes X mana and refills. The issue is, it keeps doing this until your entire MP bar is primed.>>722049292>>722049331Yeah, I like Cardio gain when I'm spamming attacks or specials but if you're using a build that spams omegas then you're shit out of luck.>>722049332I guess the issue is finding the half-decent build. The best build I tried so far was cast build with zeus that shits on everything but I took demeter regen on that run instead.Only thing I haven't solved is how to activate Origination with Zeus because the thunders don't proc a status unlike with Poseidon or Apollo where you can throw in Arctic gale and get free Origination.
>>722049382anyone else thinks Mel has no personality?
>>722049337There's this tier list I got from reddit made by speedrunners:https://mobalytics.gg/hades-2/tier-listBut you can just watch high heat speedrunners in general to get a feeling for what is OP.>>722049138IMO, going by feeling and ignoring completely the thing I just posted, it goes:>HeraBest overall but might need you to get a few MP upgrades before it feels like it.>HestiaBest for fast attack builds, basically infinite MP with the "spend MP for double attack" spear upgrade for example.>AphroditeNot as reliable if you're spamming a lot, but amazing for spreading the weak damage resistance while you do nothing just for being close, great on the axe for example.>HephaestusTied for the best with Aphrodite if you're not actually using your MP since it's just free damage resistance.>OthersVarying levels of OK or OP depending on your build.
This game must be kino if anons are actually discussing gameplay and, mostly, ignoring shitposts.
>>722049754It's a good action game.
>>722049337https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgYeqr_0njEThis guy is one of the best sources of info for Hades but the problem is that he's like end end end end game so it's not relatable for people who play casually like me. Still useful for info at how people do things at the very top though.
>>722048234base torches are very easy to use and can clear the game with anything
Does Athena show up in the underworld? I've come out of (Rival) Scylla's fight with 0 DD twice, did the full mourning fields with the gorgon Amulet and she never showed up
>>722050001What do you take on torches for them to feel good?
>>722050080scales with anythingI think my first Chronos kill was with Zeus Chain Lightning on base torches
>>721990253I'll never understand why people keep saying Aspect of Persephone is good.It and Aspect of Charon are the only weapons in the game that make no sense to me.
>>722050263Isn't Charon's thing to explode your casts?So the idea would be that you take something like Apollo and explode it with Charon
>>722050349It is. Don't see the point in doing all that setup instead of executing the moves themselves.
>>722050075I'm watching a speedrun from 4 weeks ago and she does show up in mourning fields. Either you got really unlucky or they changed it for live? Leaning towards unlucky desu
>Endgame people recommend using Strength over Death Defiance>Every high heat run uses DD and Athena to restore them all once they inevitably use them all instead of StrengthI don't get it, why recommend it then?
>>722050739More damage go BRRRRR
>>722050739>Endgame people recommend using Strength over Death DefianceNot anymore I think, it used to be better but they changed it in the last few patches to the point that now it's balanced enough for people to argue for either;
Holy shit finally
>>721990253this nigga fruity
>>722051618Very nice, I still haven't been able to clear with the fists. I just can't figure them out.
>>722051684I don't really like them. Attack spam feels weak, special misses all the time, the Omegas don't feel very good either.
>>722051684Best thing I can do with fists is the upgrade that makes you dash attack hit multiple times, and add hestia or chain lightning
>>722051982Pretty much yeah, that's my opinion too. Not sure how they released this weapon like this where everything about it sucks.Aspect of Shiva changes the missiles to a bouncing ball that seems more usable so I might try that but Base and Selene suck ass.
>>722051419Gorgon Amulet makes Death Defiance really strong but it costs a Keepsake slot for a region which Strength doesn't have to do. Spamming Death Defiances on a bigger health pool is more overall HP, it's just replenishing it which also eats into gold sometimes. Conversely Strength is low maintenance, it's easy to keep your HP filled with Fountains mostly and it makes a lot of boons much more attractive options, the unconditional extra damage is helpful too. I do think they're both good.
When does my book starts showing the relationship progress of the characters?
>>722052270DDs feel more forgiving personally if you fuck up a mechanic like the Simon Says bossfight on the surface or Chronos instakill.The chronos instakill is easy to avoid but I still get hit a lot by the simon says move because how the fuck do you expect me to remember all that
>>722052482Yeah, DD is definitely much more forgiving, it's like Strength allots you a portion of your DD health pool every region so it's good if you're familiar enough to get by with that but DD keeps you going past that if you use it to its fullest.
Bros.... I'm getting old I can't remember Prometheus flame attack in the middle of a fight
>>722050619Well shiet, I'll keep trying then
>>722052573Talk to yourself, nigga. You will remember it better if you say it out loud
>>722052573I can do 3 but I can't do 5.
>>722052573Yea I'm not remembering all thatThere's some FUCKED patterns and there's some pretty easy to remember ones
