Uncomfy Silksong Discussion Thread:What's the total amount of rosaries you've lost so far, and how many deaths have occurred during your playthrough?
How the fuck do you measure that? Anyway, I think I average 1 death per boss and I only lost my rosaries once, about 200.
>>722014391I lost rosaries one time, it was the little gauntlet to fix the save bench in sinner road. I was like pshaw this is easy I'll just run back and get them. I then proceeded to eat shit in the stupidest missed jump and then keep eating shit as I panicked.
>>722015020lol that's funny, but >>722014758 I find it hard to believe you both only lost rosaries once and so few
>>722014391I'm currently stuck against the boss in Bilewater. And the run back is so painful Is he using Soul attacks? How?
>>722015125sorry, forgot to say that I'm at the end of act 2, though losing rosaries in this game feels hard because of how easy it is to recover them
>>722015142yes and you'll learn why after
>>722015142What an unbelievably uncomfy area
I've probably died 600 times and I've my rosaralinies about 80 times. The boss I hate the most is the Unravelled. It's a good game, perhaps even a great game. The little details that inhabit the world are so soulful. The unique interactions. Real shame about the writing however.
>>722014391I lost ~800 recently but it was right after I bought the last relevant shop items left. At that point rosaries are just ammo for the cannon.
>>722014391>What's the total amount of rosaries you've lost so farlike 300 near the beginning when I went into that Hunter's march area.>and how many deaths have occurred during your playthrough1 or 2 per boss. except for karmelita who kicked my ass nonstop for over an hour.
>>722014391I akshually like that there's no death counter, I don't want my failures to be rubbed in my face
>>722014391I lost 3k rosaries in the abyss because my cocoon bugged and simply never spawned. I had my full silk spool and everything right after death, by rosaries simply vanished.Didn't really care because I'd already bought everything by then.
>>722015237Imagine if groal could use howling wraiths
>>722016841>try to pogo>get obliteratedWould be kino.
>>722014391>total amount of rosaries lostI don't think I ever failed to recover my rosaries>total deathsFuckin hell if I know. Triple digits for sure. Not sure if I hit quadruple digits. Prolly about 300 as a low ballpark estimate.Most of it retrying bosses.
>>722014391I lost 300 really early on and then immediately lost another 500. Then another 800 in act 2 while I had that fucking curse. it was all to fucking platforming.
>>722015125Why? I lost rosaries only once, and it was 2kBut I didn't have anything to buy anyway
>bro i only died once per boss hehme when i lie
>>722014391since this is the uncomfy discussion thread, may as well repost my greentext from a previous oneHollow Knigth be like:>balanced difficulty curve>flexibility with playstyle options>exploration reward with power ups and charms>character progresion notcieable with every minor upgrade>little to none grinding nor item farming>the game rewards gitgud by encouraging the use of the game mechanics which mitigate difficultySilk Song be like:>very small margin for error>stiff customisation options>unrewarding exploration where the only reward is often currency>neglgigible character progression barely notcieable until late mid game>the game demands gitgud by punishing the use of it's mechanics to mitigate difficultyoh yeah but "skill issue" right?i hate that everyone is larping as le hrrrdkrrrr steel soul speedruner yelling "gitgud" all the time while pretending that everbody loved the White Palace and Primal Vespids from the first game
>>722015142>Is he using Soul attacks? How?
>>722015142Beat him and check his hut and hunter journal entry.
>>722017360i agree, i enjoyed it because i love hollow knight but this time it felt like the game hated me and that's why my goty is E33, team cherry spent too much time huffing their own farts
How do you measure lost rosaries? Does it still count as lost if you recover your cocoon?Also where the fuck are the simple keys I've been wanting to open the deep docks door forever jesus christ
>reach Karmelita>oh look, it's another boss that deals double damage>with projectiles that deals double damage>and another useless gauntlet before the bossI can't wait to finish this fucking game and be done with it.
>>722017805also she randomly negates your damage sometimes just because
I lost rosaries constantly and often wouldn't even bother to go back to the cocoon.If I urgently needed to buy something I would just grind them while muttering about "bad game design" and "broken economy"
A couple hundred near the start. Used a silkworm to recover from sinner’s road because I was about to get ganked from three roaches. Still in early act 2 but I have two more recovery worms already so I shouldn’t lose more probably. Field deaths I wanna say around 30? Pretty much all of them happened in the March. Bosses total I’m probably nearing 100 or just above that. Morrowing killed me more times than I want to admit followed by Widow. First tried the automaton and Beast actually killed me twice because I let too many adds spawn and panicked. Bell Beast took me three tries and bark bitch six. Burrowing red fuckers I think it was three tries or four. Clockwork guys are the boss I’m on now and they don’t seem too bad but I entered the fight at 1hp, recovered my silk, saved and quit and went to bed. No other bosses or mini bosses killed me except the starter ant elite guy before you get upgrades. I wanna say he killed me six times before I figured out how to not suck ass.
>wake-up animation speed doubled>playing Elegy of the Deep to enter a dream now activates the cutscene before costing 1 bar of silk instead of afterThere, act 3 is like four times more fun now. You can just take these patch notes and implement them, Team Cherry. No need to pay or credit me.
>>722017930Oh wait I forgot about last judge. After I stopped being retarded and just focused on her wind up indicators I beat her easily but I had to learn that lesson after dying to the stupid charge attack smacking me point blank six times.
>>722017805Karmelita is pure kino, just git gud fag
>>722017780bone bottom shopsongclave shopsinner's roadsands of karakYou fucked up, deep docks door is by far the most important
>>722018141No fuck you, let me fight the fucking thing instead of forcing me to go through your dumb stupid retarded gauntlet and your nigger cutscenes every time.
This is how TC expects you to play. waiting for a full TAS run
>>722017776the worst part is i don't think i'll ever get fixedpeople like me will be mocked with "le skill issue gitgud" mantra whenever we bring it upbut posterity will prove us right when the bulk of immitators and inspirations keep ripping off the original Hollow Knight system instead of Silk Song's which at times seems more focused on eroding my patience than testing my skills
>>722017876>has the second highest healthpool of any boss in the game, just behind the final boss>also blocks all damage unless you time your attack to while she's mid-animation (but not TOO mid-animation or else the attack clanks), futher inflating her effective healthAnd then even before the time-wasting gauntlet, just the run to her is just designed to deliberately waste your time for no reason by placing the entrance on the far side instead of the letting you walk through the left door
>>722017879You forgot to attach the Gigachad image
>>722017498I'm in awe at the size of these lads
>>722015391>the UnravelledThat bitch ended my best so far Steel Soul run.
>>722018486speaking of time wasting run backsThe flea caraban moves, first to Moorwing's arena, then to the entrance right before Last Judgecan you get them to move there BEFORE beating Last Judge or do you HAVE to beat him before they movebecause that savespot they carry around with their caraban would absolutelly perfect to skip the second most annoying runback in the game
Who are you favorite NPCs/characters?
>>722014391PLEASE someone find me that SHAW drawing of Hornet with her goofy face that was posted here several times when game released
>>722018826>then to the entrance right before Last JudgeThey move into the last judge arena. so to answer your question, no you can't get them to go there in act 1.
>>722018858Green Prince + Cogwork Dancerselegant bug husband
>>722018826I don't think there's enough fleas to trigger the runback before Last Judge. It isn't like Morwing.
>>722014391>What's the total amount of rosaries you've lost so farWhat? Anon, are you bad at video games?
>>722018858Sherma the best i also really like the mount fay bird bug thing
>>722018921you're gonna have to narrow it down
i havent entered act 2 and im almost 20 hours in. should i keep going? it's starting to become boring for me
>>722016639couldn't you use a silkeater?
>>722018486>>also blocks all damage unless you time your attack to while she's mid-animation (but not TOO mid-animation or else the attack clanks)Or you can just pogo her while she is doing half of her attacks
>>722014391>rosaries you've lost so farafter losing a couple hundred at the start, I started depositing them whenever possible. by now I must've paid at least a thousand rosaries of necklace tax.
>Green Prince says the reason him and his butt buddy were so great is because they killed the pale stag>Fight the pale stag in his dreams, obviously embellished because its him remembering his great victory>It's a fucking pushover>a raging beastfly would beat the shit out of itLOLLMAO
>>722017360>unrewarding exploration where the only reward is often currency>neglgigible character progression barely notcieable until late mid gamethose were the two biggest issues to meI only really felt like my character got stronger when I was deep into act 2 and only because I had a shit ton of subweapons and a bunch of crests that I could experiment with against some bosses, the sense of progression is abysmal
>do the pharloom food quest>get the drink from halfway home>get ambushed>"You seem to have an ant problem"Uhhh does this not seem like a weird thing to say? Aren't ants an actual sapient culture like all the other bugs?It's like if Hornet said, "You seem to have a black problem" or in aussie context "You seem to have an aboriginal problem."What did Team Cherry mean by this?
Just beat Lost Lace, she was tough took me about 10 tries but I was expecting way worse based on the bitching I’ve seen. I really don’t understand some of the complaints I’ve seen here after fighting her desu
>Citadel used to be stone and was a genuinely safehaven for worshippers>Blasted Steps used to be gilded steps where faithful pilgrims would be protected by the guardiansSo GMS was a benevolent ruler and the Weavers turned the Citadel into a way to milk pilgrims?Weavers were also kind and the remaining Architects/Conductors turned it into a capitalist hellscape?Stone tower had broad worship before GMS took over and made it all gold and about worshipping her?
>>722018486I learned her patterns enough to dodge most of her attacks, then I switched to the architect crest and shit all over her with my tools and it was over in two tries
>>722018858why is everyone so infatuated with that anoying fucking singing bug with the bells?i shouldn't have opened the bone gates for itlet it rot and sing his voice away, maybe that'll teach it a pair of working hands achieve a thousand fold what a hundred pairs clapped in prayerDon Quijote is the real MVPchivaliorus, brave, heroic, aids you against moorwing, helps you in sinner's road and the citadelda fuk did bellbug do besides being annoying?
>>722019349sybau dude
>>722017360Eh the only real problem Silksong has I feel is that it has too many shopkeepers.
>>722019349That struck me as odd too, though it is worth noting the various species do have varying degrees of sapience and not all of the ants wear masks.
>Groal the Great>but fire-based>floor is lava so you can't hide>summons Flintflame Flyers mid battle>has a big bell on the head so you can't pogo and damage from above
>>722019148>jumps, lingering hit box hits you a second time on the way down, then while you're still recovering from hitstun a true-combo projectile flies into youthat'll be 6 masks + tip, please.
>>722019110it looks like a simplistic drawing of Hornet yelling SHAW - and I can't find it anywhere ;(
>>722019435>da fuk did bellbug do besides being annoying?The only character in the game displaying true faith
>>722019349She's unironically racist
>>722019349If you read the hunter journal for the flies you'll notice she IS very racist.
>>722014391Around 700, i die every ~30 minutes or so and my file says i have 13h 50m played, so i would say that but double it
>>722015142Their shells are oursTheir souls are oursOur hate is forever
>>722019509A lot of the threads have had titles, you might be able to search the catalog?
>>722019509
>>722018461Silksong sold way too much for them to change now
>>722019480and also he defends your attacks sometimes, pure kino
>>7220196782lazy4that, but u know what - i'll try
>>722019428We don't exactly know who it was that made everything go to shit. Was it stated that the Guardians were actually good at one point? I thought the sign in the Blasted Steps nest implied that GMS or the Citadel forcefully conscripted the "guardian bug race" into being their muscle with promises of bug heaven or whatever
I die like a complete retard in Silksong but that's mostly because I always tie up all my rosaries lmaoAt one point I had like 1500+ rosaries banked in strings and relics that I rarely cashed inWhen I had that safety net I just played recklessly most of the timeSo I kept losing like 30-100 rosaries
>>722018858why do I always end up missing the gay sidequests? what am i doing wrong? i always try to explore thoroughly
Why does every fucking mob requires at least 5 attacks? It wasn't that bad in the original.
>>722014391I think the highest amount I lost at the same time was about 600 when I just got that clawline ability and had to escape the cauldron. Eventually I died to that arena battle at the top of the cauldron and then died again trying to get back to it, as I wasn't used to the clawline yet.
>>722019683...
>>722019480also make the walls lava like in the Forebrothers fight so you can't wall jump
>>722019480I'd use the fire bell to negate the double damage and abuse the shit out of the clawline.
>>722018432this looks like they're cheating because I saw her standing on a cog beetle after it spawned and it just got bumped out of the way instead of inflicting a hit.
>>722019428Multiple sources say the Weavers were a vicious, violent group. Probably because GMS convinced them they were better by default. And we see that mindset continued to the church, you're either employed by the church where you're treated relatively well or you're a slave convinced that groveling to the Citadel will improve your life somehow
>>722018197fuuuck i used two of those alreadyI knew I shouldn't have freed that fucking mantis guy god damn it.
>>722019842In the original the charge attack was busted and a solid THWAP took out most things in the midgame. Hornet's charge attack is ass.
>>722019428>>722019783Yes the Weavers and GMS were once good rulers. The Pale Lake lore tablet confirms when the kingdom was still peaceful.Things went to complete total shit when the Weavers for some reason just went ballistic.
>>722019254i would have given up both spells and tools for a chance to get my hands on the nail extender or silk injector in act 1pretty much every useful tool to mitigate the challenge in any meaningful way is locked past act 2what i hate the most is the crest systemeither binding useful moveset to gimmiky heal nerfs or binding useful gimmiks like silk harves to slow movesetsReaper is only good for it's reach and pogo, but as far as harvesting silk (the crest very gimmick) is concerned, every single other crest does it betterif only "silk harvesting" was a charm or a tool you could equip in any other crest... like the shaman stone charm...
>>722018197>>722019913Eh, deep docks door is the most important but only in Act 3. I didn't do that shit for ages and honestly it made O&S into a cakewalk
>>722018432are there any TAS for the first game? I'd be interested in watching that
>>722019496You should move after she finishes her attack
>>722019926The first sinner found out GMS wasn't the actual progenitor of the weavers so they felt used and betrayed
>>722019918Even without the charge, you could kill most enemies in 3-4 hits even without upgrades. In here I already have to dance around every fucking enemy.
>>722019926>The Pale Lake lore tablet confirms when the kingdom was still peaceful.uh what does this say again
>>722020038that sounds like such a lame and weak motivation
>>722020056I just threw a hand grenade at anything that looked like it had eaten its wheaties that day
>reach Seth>"oh the music's pretty go...">double damage again
>>722019530>The only character in the game displaying true faiththat'd be Loam.
>>722014391I think I lost them four times in the entirety of my regular run, the last in a particularly stupid manner that annoys me a lot.>>722015125Styx does helps a lot.
>>722020038>GMSwho? Am I supposed to know who that is?
>>722018998Yoi can start act 2 without fighting judge. I'd say it's a safe bet that they can move in and displace judge
>>722019530a delusional retard stubbornly denying the grim reality unfolding before his eye all the way up until he has no choice but to confront itfaith is for foolsthere are no gods
>>722020090I mean when you're convinced you were the children of god and then it turns out you're actually just as much slaves as everyone else, I can see why you'd get mad
>>722020090>said she was their mother>this makes them demigods>in actuality she evolved them from the spider-things you see around the map>they're literally monsters>"fine, we'll act like monsters then!" they reply, in their rage at being lied to by their so-called motherMakes sense to me.
>>722019889>Multiple sources say the Weavers were a vicious, violent group.Where Pharlids the original Arachnid race that GMS uplifted into Weavers?
>>722020090You can sort of get it when they're consistently referred to and revered as the "First Children". So that claimed birthright as GMS' kids was something their culture and the Weavers themselves valued HIGHLY.So it was inevitable that one Weaver would go full autist once they realized they were just some literal who cavern bug transformed.
>>722019435Got healing supplies for the wounded.
>>722019428We don't know when shit hit the fan.Personally, I think it had to have been after the Weavers left. We've got a few indications that they were in tune with the natural world and would not have willingly went along with the tainting of it like we see in Bilewater and Sinner's Road. Then again if they were, they were elevated by Silk so she herself must have at one point been a decent ruler, or at least hands off enough her "daughters" could run things well and keep a balance between the Citadel and the natural world. Another indicator is that you can reach the shrine of Nyleth through the Citadel, so there must have been some respect there.
>>722020220Yes
>>722020176
>>722017360No developer hates their playerbase quite like Team Cherry
>>722019496>that'll be 6 masks + tip, please.Maybe recover those masks with silk instead of whining? You aren't playing this cursed, are you?
>>722020220There is a cutscene that seems to imply so.
I have only beaten one single boss in this game on the first try and it was the Crawfather
>>722019889>multiple sourcesI've only seen the one you posted and only because you posted it as I missed this dialogue.Any other examples on hand?
>>722017360I miss the Geo bukkakes from bosses
>>722019428>>722020267I assume the point is when the weavers rebelled, they basically civil warred with Silk, both of them manipulating the silk all around them, everywhere in Pharloom.Eventually the weavers found a way to use the citadel to send her to sleep, but by then the kingdom was devestated, so some left.Those leaving weakened the spell, so she slowly started waking up.
>>722017805Karmelita wasn’t that bad. At that point in the game you can have a fully upgraded nail, every tool, and 10 masks. If you still have trouble despite that, you’re probably doing something wrong.Her sonic spin attack is AIDS though.
>>722019918that's why I'll never understand that retard from the other thread who insisted no gauntlet in silksong was harder than the trial of the fool you can delete the vast majority of enemies in hk with a charge attack, in silksong even mooks take two charge attacks to die
got to about zone 6, and realized they were just continuing the completely lack of creativity we witnessed at the end of HK1:multi-target boss fights, super meat boy stages, zero metroid powerups in sight"I am an old, biracial whore who must decide if I'm going to light the zanzibarts or not"
Is the Beast Crest fucking garbage? I can get used to the pogo but it doesn't have much going for it unless you apply buffs like Flea Brew. Worst thing about it is how activating Bind puts Hornet in the air for a little bit, which easily fucks with you if you need to jump to evade.
>>722018858Shakra > Sherma >>>> everyone elseFUCK THE SNAILS
>>722020572Thread Storm or the Dash Spell completely fucking mogs mpst arena fights in the gameMaybe even that parry if you're good enoughI used thread storm to beat High Halls way earlier because of that skillWhich I continued to use in Coral Tower too
>>722020551>Her sonic spin attack is AIDS though.Out of all the moves that killed me I dont think I died to that once. She hovers in the air for half a second before moving so its telegraphed pretty well. On the other hand, the move she does where she throws projectiles has the same, or at least similar, starting position/wind up animation as another move, and I kept getting caught out and being hit by her projectiles for no real reason.
>>722017360>stiff customisation optionsDisagree. You get 7 movesets to choose from and each one of them can be further customized.
>>722020090>that sounds like such a lame and weak motivationthat's what i thought at every turn when thinking about silksong lore lol
>>722018858Man, seeing them all together like this, this game has such great NPCs. Garmond and Zaza are the best though.
>>722019435instinct to protecc smol. I only read the first sentence of your post btw.
>>722017805Don’t forget the goons also deal double damage.
>>722020721That’s funny, I had no issue with her projectiles at all. The spin attack fucked me up because I was spamming pogos on her, so maybe you and I had opposite approaches.
>>722018858kratt
>>722020393Give me a minute. I know I grabbed a couple screenshot that did not paint the Weavers in a good light. I just have to walk my dog who's demanding attention
>>722020640The beast crest is for serious tryhards, you can phase through a lot of enemies with it and take no damage, all the while doing insane damage yourself. The charge jump attack also has increased height so you can even sequence break with it, further emphasizing the tryhard approach.
>>722020637>zero metroid powerups in sightthis is annoying me as well. the upgrades seem so far apart and insubstantial. i have the double jump and clawline so i think im pretty far in but ive found diddly squat. must have been 10 hours since my last crest or magic spell. and the last spell i got was some shitty parry.
>>722014391More than 3k rosaries.More than 20, less than 50 deaths. Will check when I'm home.
>>722020919Should be up 1 tier.
>>722014391don't know, turned that shit off via cheat engine lmaokeep grinding, goy.
>>722020219it was retaded when Spehirot did it, it's still retarded now it's the Weavers doing it
>>722014391>7 years for a cliffhanger endingAre you shitting me
>>722019480> +lavafall walls> +moving spike-tipped vertical walls> +Coal the Incredible has all soul spells> +anally rapes you in real life if you lose
>>722018858>Chef>Not in Ass tier
>>722020965Of course anon. give them some pets they deserve it.
>>722020859I was dashing in and out of her close range. Since she can deflect projectiles the best time to attack her was immediately after she has finished one of her moves, so if I dash over her projectiles I could get a couple hits in at a time. I only pogoed on her whenever she did a move that conjured spikes. I've heard she has a lot of HP compared to most other bosses but she went down surprisingly quickly with Wanderer and Flintslate.
>>722021094You don't know what a cliffhanger is.
>>722021094HK3: The Plasmium Cartel
>>722021094See you in 8 years, skeleton
>>722017360I generally agree.I love Silksong but at times it really felt like a slog. Doing all the side quests to unlock the third act was a slog. Enemies having too much HP was a slog. Enemies getting even more HP in act 3 was a slog. Gauntlets before boss fights were a slog. Having to get through boring phase 1’s just to practice crazy phase 2’s was a slog. Hopefully in the inevitable boss rush DLC they round off the shitty parts and just give us the good fights.
>>722014391>What's the total amount of rosaries you've lost so fari lost 8k in one go one time
>>722019428>Blasted Steps used to be gilded steps where faithful pilgrims would be protected by the guardiansI feel like they added the "bells" caveat to the grand gate to start bilking pilgrims. Originally you just had to get to the gate as a faithful pilgrim, then they added "actually you need to go pay 60 rosaries at these five locations"
>>722018858What do you have against Sprintmaster?
>>722021189Steelsap
How does slab have one of the best and one of the worst bosses in the game
>Crest of the Knight - Hollow Knight>Crest of the Fencer (parryslop crest) - Lace>Crest of the King - Pale King>Crest of the Weaver - Grandmother SilksYOU CAN ONLY CHOOSE ONE NEW CREST THEY ADD AS DLC
>>722021189>no Needolin textWhat does It MEAN? No thoughts anymore? No will to sing?
>>722014391rosaries were never a problem for me after the double rosarie mod
>>722020435>Geo was Soul based currency>Rosaries are just Fiat moneyEven in death the Pale King offers his serves a stable economy with a currency so valued even bosses carry it and so sturdy no stage hazard can destroy it
>>722021256I believe all of the grand bells are free. Just a switch to hit.
>>722021368>take the quest to defeat the wailing mother early>have to hear her ass whine until you get oil
>>722021387What would Pale King's moveset even be?
>>722020674The snails are cool.
>>722021404>Game isn't hard after I cheatWow anon! Who would have guessed?
>>722021387ParryslopWe already have knightAnd we already have silks
what's the excuse for this attack being a double-hit. it's just a basic tiny projectile.
>>722021387Crest of the Herald - spore attacks and teleport
>>722021543>mod>cheatingnext you're going to tell me that if you beat fallout new vegas with mods you didnt actually beat the game
>>722020763you get limited choices to combine blue items and orange items and cannot overcharmmeanwhile in the charm system you can pretty much tailor fit your build to your liking, and if you do not mind being more vulnerable, you can overcharmfurthermore some crest are busted as i elaborated here >>722019940
>>722014391I lost only a few hundred in my playthrough. Only twice I failed to recover the coccoon.
>>722021338I don't dislike anyone in C, I just didn't think much of them, even if some are admittedly funny or cool.
>there's a pilgrim in act 2 that tells you he hears the laugh of a child in the CitadelIs that meant to be Sherma?
>>722020640it's trash, you put 5 times the effort so that you can basically be a worse witch crest with garbage slots, basically only used for bragging rights
>>722021629Act 3 tax
> Oblivious child-minded homunculi & the too-polite height-challenged pilgrim.
>>722021387Hail to the king baby.
>>722015142Easy way to kill it is boomerang and cogflies, legitimately can kill it in 10 seconds with poison
>>722021239How do you even carry that much? I've just been banking them as shard bundles once I've gotten a dozen necklaces.
>>7220143910 and 0
>>722021642If you beat fallout ne ve- Nani?
>>722021763Lace
>>722021629boss is already piss easy, they had to buff it I guess
>>722018432I did a down dash ONCE and never did it again but I do love to use claw line when ever I can because first sinner made to remember it
>>722021387There's a Pale King crest in the files already!
>>722021919i was farming a bunch for act 3 since i knew farming in act 3 would be shit. only after i farmed up like 10k did i find out there was a cap on necklaces. didnt matter in the end though because it turned out there was fuck all to buy in act 3
>>722021835Hail to the king.
FINALLYI'm done with act 3 and thus with the gamereplaying this shit is akin to replaying elden ring after finishing it, no way in hell I'm booting up this game again until the DLCI'm finally free to go and play Supreme Commander again
>Hollow Knight 3>you play as the Hollow Knight>you arrive at a new kingdom in peril>plasmium addicted bugs going apeshit everywhere>the final boss is the Pale King, after he shed his skin and fled Hallownest, but now he's a plasmium junkie and has lost his mindyou rike?
>>722022061Guess we know what kind of dlc we'll be gettingPoP 2
>>722014391All I want to say is fuck lost Lace
>>722021387I want something that changes the UI to that cool ass UI you get when you're binding Silk.Maybe you choose between Crest of the Weaver or Crest of the Wyrm. Though having mutually exclusive stuff is always annoying.
>>722021510>every attack is javelin style now like the spears in the White Palace>the down strike is a two hit spear strike >charge attack is a buzzsaw>gimmick of the crest is that at full soul meter (ie. When you have a bind) your attacks are empowered and the first spell you use is empowered too>up bind lets you gather spul around you to charge your silk meter up
>>722014391>What's the total amount of rosaries you've lost so farI've only lost one cocoon (hunter's march). I don't remember exactly how many rosaries it was but somewhere between two and three hundred.>how many deaths have occurred during your playthrough?A lot. At least two hundred.
>>722022061>two slots only, both yellow>bonus ability: you spawn buzzsaws every time you attack
>>722021387>crest of the Knight (slower wanderer with longer range and an i-frame dash)>crest of the Fencer (ads a free parry and a dash somersault like move)>crest of the King (reverts cost/benefit of heal/spell back to HK settings)>crest of the weaver (allows the limitles use of tools by consuming silk instead)
>>722022184>>up bind lets you gather spul around you to charge your silk meter upsuper saiyan charge lmao
>>722022140honestly I think I'm good with these games after silksongteam cherry is on a fromslopware trajectory of making harder and harder games to placate the most autistic part of their fanbase, personally lost lace was the most I was willing to stomach
>>722022163If I could
>>722022142The path to the surface is pretty much that already
I truly wish we got to see more of Phantom and Lace's relationship. I'm not sure if intended but Phantom somewhat reads as the inevitable conclusion of terminal illness . And her and Lace seemed somewhat close. Did favouritism from GMS drive them somewhat apart?
>>722022296HK3 will be an experimental Metroidvania-Racing game
>>722022361significantly easier
>>722014391Like a billion. Then again, I never bother picking up my shit if it's too far and there's no shortcut.
>>722022365Did you not use the needolin in Phatom's dressing room?
>>722021239I just buy a tin of beads anon, sure you lose 20 but better than running around with that many
>>722022140Hollow Knight: Free
>>722022356https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAP9AF6DCu4
>>722021835He doesn't look like that, he's a manlet with a big crown
>>722022525I should add, I'm always running with about 10 rosary strings in my inventory just in case.
>>722022547Well yes but that's hardly much
I dropped the game for now because I was sick of the quest bullshit and the backtracking inherent to sprawling map and lack of critical path after the act 2 ending. Think it’d be worth pushing through to act 3 for me?
>>722014391I genuinely like how Silksong's core design philosophy reflects its universe. It's meant to be a dark, dreary, unpleasant place full of strife and turmoil, and death is always just around the corner with the Abyss lurking. The game itself is tedious, annoying, and unfun to play, reflecting that. It makes you miserable, wastes your time, and makes you want to give up, which is how the residents of Pharloom feel. You aren't self-inserting into Hornet, you're self-inserting into a random merchant who retardedly set up his shop in some far-off corner of Hunter's March up an air jet behind three invisible walls and then died before anyone ever found him to buy his wares. It's almost like a deconstruction of good game design. I've never seen anything like it and it fascinates me.
>>722022691noif you got tired of the game in act 2 act 3 will definitely make you resent the game, it's much more of a slog
Buff reaperhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeAtIuz9M0o
>>722022716Silksong is pure ludonarrative kinoLike some of the dogshit designs in the game makes zero sense until you realize it was designed that way becausr thats how they made it sense in the world lmao
>>722022716>>722022837absolute midwit takes, typical of this redditcore fanbase
>>722022716>The game itself is tedious, annoying, and unfun to playDeffending this using lore as a justificationi play videogames for fun, not to be lectured on the tyranny of theocracies or the exploitation of capitalism
>>722014391Finally found gun parts, but sadly don't have any craft metal. Is there some in the following zone? I'm still working my way through them: High Halls, Sands of Karak, Wisp-thicket, Also is there any reason to choose Belldaughter over fixing it at Mnt Fey?
NOW THAT THE DUST HAS SETTLEDWHAT IS THE MOST HONEST CREST?THE MOST DISHONEST CREST?
>>722014391600, I chose to give them up because I decided to come back to a boss later. I do 6-7 deaths per boss. I'm not good at these games. In act 3 now.
>>722022140the pale king is deadthe story is stupid if "no cost too great" was just a prank and he left a body double in the white palace for some retarded reason with his soul attached to ithe's deadhe's not the god emperor of this setting he's a higher being that tried to save his kingdom but failed and lost everything because of itaccept it
>>722022986>most honest crestHunter.>dishonest crestArchitect.
>>722022837>um, actually, its shit on purpose!
>>722022986ive seen how architectcucks playthat being they dont fucking play at all
>>722022986Hunter/ReaperArchitect/Wanderer
>>722022927BASEDthis retardation needs to be called outthe boot licking needs to stop
>>722022716>The game itself is tedious, annoying, and unfun to play>It makes you miserable, wastes your time, and makes you want to give upI had fun. I enjoyed the game.
>>722018858>Lace in the same tier as the fat fuck chef and NuuDie. Die soon.
>>722022957Fey is a laser and piercing
>>722022789That’s a shame. There was a stretch between mid act 1 and early act 2 that was good fun. Would’ve liked to fight the endgame bosses, but the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. Thanks anon
2 questions, do i get locked out of anything if i beat act 2? are the doordash missions worth doing? i heard they don't count towards the 100%
>>722019885When in the air hornet's legs don't have a hurtbox.In the video the TASer specifically calls it out
I never felt the game was tedious to play outside of the silver bells quest desuLiterally the worst quest in the game
>>722018432Actually considering Lace's >yours was a painful, broken climbline, lore accurate hornet is a fuckup roughly in line with your average playthrough minus all the deaths
>>722022986The crest I use are honest and the ones you use are dishonest
>>722023142dont open this
>>722023128don't get me wrong I like the games but the fanbase is insufferabletruly the fromdrones of the indie scene
>>722022986Honest:>Wanderer>does exactly as it advertizes itselfDishonest:>Reaper>is absolute dogshit at harvesting Silk
Reaper for platforming sections because they're funArchitect for bosses because they're gay
>>722023174doordash is pointless, you miss out on friendly duels with shakra and garamond. the latter you may have already missed. also id recommend doing as much rosary farming as youll need and hunters journal completion as you want before triggering act 3 because both of those things will become way more cancer then
>>722022986Hunter and Reaper are the most honest onesArchitect most dishonest
>>722023220>silver bellsAll you have to do is leave the are and go back in to get them quickly
How the fuck were you supposed to know that there was an ant trapper boss
>>722022716I can't believe the amount of retards taking this seriously./v/ is full of sub room temperature IQ cretins.
>>722023142Lace is just "ok" for being such an important character. The fatass chef is funny and memorable in her own right.
>>722018858Is the robot looking one in C tier a steelsoul exclusive or is it hanging around somewhere for me to find in act 3?
>>722022043I don't get how that's the consensus. So far Nyleth is the boss I've died the most to. My fault for trying to use Shaman I guess (can't heal in mid-air so not at all past phase 1). Probably the only boss that has got me to double digit attempt counts.
>>722023360In Act 3 Nuu tells you about any entries you're missing.
>>722023360wish board
Reaperscholars...
>>722021395Come back again and he'll be down but with some needolin text
>>722023379Lace completely hooked me when I realized looked like a child ingame.The devs literally made a thousand year old oujo mesugaki.
>>722023131anon gave a pretty good description of the general Silk Song experience, but then he had to go an ruin his post being a boot licking hippster that will deffend shit because it was made shitty intentionallybecuase god forbid he won't fit in with the "gitgud" crowd, or he would be "missing out" on the latest trendy thing
>>7220233952nd phase you can just keep pogoing on top of her to kill her quickly
>>722022236>bonus ability: you spawn buzzsaws every time you attack*active for five seconds after using BindIf reaper can't get extra silk for every attack despite the description saying so, then others shouldn't get their bonuses passively either
I think I might be in love with the shaman set, only way it could be better is if it had the regular bind instead of hornet crashing to the ground to do a cool pose or whatever, but thats a skill issue. I just wish you didnt unlock it so late incidentally just as money for tool stops being an issue
>>722023147Yeah that sounds good. Is the belldaughter's just an old bazooka then?
>>722022986Architect is the most dishonest, and I say that as someone who used it for most of the game. As long as you have shards, you can delete 80% of the bosses without even learning how to fight them.
>>722018858Shakra was the best merchant NPC. One of the few merchants that's better than her HK counterpart. Always made me happy to hear her song.Lace is a great rival narrative wise.Fleas > Grubs 100%.And Karmelita only appeared for a dialogue and boss battle but she's my favorite. Fucking hype as shit boss battle. Wish they'd cut the waves before her just so the boss becomes a pure 1v1 on rust.
>>722015142plasmium overdose and you just wait for him to swallow you then mash your attack button. you'll literally outdamage him like that.
>>722023525You seem like the type who is very concerned with "liking things before they are cool"
DO NOT USE SILK SOAR ON STYX'S NEST
>>722021157Made it back. I went sifting through screenshots again but apparently I missed a few where the Weavers were mentioned. I remember this guy mentioning that he is just supposed to be a slave of the First Children but apparently I didn't clip that. The Twelfth Architect also mentions she's obligated to take the orders of The Weavers but maybe that was the caste hierarchy. Also Jubilana says the people in the library were hoarders even before The Haunting took root in Pharloom but again, benefit of the doubt, maybe she was just talking about the Keepers and no one else. So I'll amend my statement to that The Weavers, at the least, kept shitty friends
>>722022125you should try Beyond All Reason
>>722023731Hes just your slave bro :)
>>722023731Use it on the chef's arena instead
>>722023379Lace has a fatass too
>>72202375112th Architect is a robot so she's probably just programmed to obey Weavers. The vault keeper with the gramaphone however has to obey a Weaver and hates having to do so.
>>722023731Whatever you do, don't use it in your bellhome.
>>722023751Styx being a weirdo might be down to how he is. Twelfth Architect taking orders from the Weavers isn't that bad given she's a worker ant so that's kind of her deal. As for the Vaultkeepers, the thing is the Haunting came after the Weavers left. Them being cunts after nobody was there to keep them in line makes sense.Also, wouldn't it be the Weavers that gave the other 3 groups their part of the Threefold Melody?
>>722023814Hornet gets to adopt this in the act2 ending
>>722023726hell hath no fury like a lover's scorn as someone who actually enjoyed the first game and expected the sequel to follow suit i cannot hid my anger when speaking about this dissapointing sequel that decided to flip the core mechanics on their head and restrict customization freedom just for the sake of being differentthe ones who seem concerned with jumping into the latest bandwaggon of the current hype train are ass kissers
>>722023731>bunch of dead bugs So? Where else did you think he was getting the meat to grow silkeaters?
>>722023546>damageracing hoping for RNG to let you kill the boss before it uses too many get-off-me AoEsno thanks
>>722015142You need the fucking thing against worms that is in the next area, enter from the other side. Super easy with that.
>>722023667>As long as you have shardsFunny how one of the biggest complaints is the shard economy.
>my Silksong folder instantly ballooned to like 1gb in a monthIts over
>>722023751>>722023997Styx I very interesting because if you use silk soar on his lair you learn he is a faceless bug who uses different masks depending on what "role" he is playing
>>722023174The egg one lets you get more grubs from the slave when you visit. The courier's rasher one is for the taste of pharloom and needed for some pale oil which increases needle damage. Pro tip, clear out your path before hand and do not rest on a bench. It makes deliveries waaaaay easier when there are no enemies around.I still ran into the damn spinning saw blade when entering the choral chambers on multiple deliveries like a idiot.
>See for yourself the forgotten strength of this land of bugs before we burn those memories in its savingDLC where you visit Pharloom before Silk when?
>>722024132>AoEsClawline exist for a reason
>>722024361They definitely added the dream nail last minute for dlc ideas lmaoWhen I saw that mechanic introduced I instantly thought of all the dlc shit theyll add for act 3
>>722023997I'm almost certain The Weavers gave them the Threefold Melody. However I can't verify that they always hoarded it from regular bugs or if they turned themselves into godkings after The Weavers left and there was no one to check them. The Pontiff in the library is dead and Ballador seems regretful at his duty. But regular guys within the library seem to believe they, and only they, are allowed to read the scripture and know the songs of the choir.
>>722017360Yeah i am overall fine with the difficulty in itself if for the environments doing 2 damage (which they changed) and 2 contact damage from anything that isn't a fat fuck charging you.Other than that my main gripe is that the game shouldn't be easier otherwise, it should just be more rewarding. Horde encounters should drop pearls and shards at least the first time you kill enemies and bosses should drop shards and rosaries. Finally some tools could just be a bit less hamstrung like the long nail actually reasonably increasing your range or the shitty moss charm only needing 1 hit to regenerate silk
>>722024473I thought the same, but then I thought further and realized there aren't many bosses that could plausibly work as "in their prime" rematches beyond Phantom, the Pinstress sisters, and maybe guys like Garmond and Vog. Maybe the Weavers but it would be funny playing Hornet going back to slap some sense into her mom.
>>722024675The original plan was for the citadel to keep the song going forever so the weavers could be free so it makes little sense for them to be very selective about who knew the song, after they left thw citadel became harder to access for pilgrims and the song started to die off along with them
>>722014391I suck so badly that I've basically given up on the game. I beat the big bird boss, but the other half of the rainy level has another bird gauntlet that I just don't have it in me to beat. Going the other way is probably intended, but I know that just more shit that is too difficult for me lies at the end. I don't get excited for boss fights, I dread them.
So is the nameless town just DLC bait.Fucking nothing to do up there except talk to the mushroom yet they give you a shortcut like you'd want to come back.
>>722025074What act are you in? Silksong is very much a game where you're intended to go elsewhere and look for mask shards/new tools/new charms to try and get stronger before taking on a lot of things that you're able to get to.
>>722025162You get a memento for beating what is so far the hardest platforming challenge in the game.
>>722025162There's a memento on the dead guy in the hut and the bestiary entries for the various bugs, but it's mostly lore. The shortcut is there if you do the platforming before you have the mushroom quest.
>>722024675Implications of this dude having the same headgear as the Unravelled, at least they're similar I think
>96%So what contributes to completion? I just found the last relic and fought Crawfather and it hasn’t increased.
>>722017360>the game demands gitgud by punishing the use of it's mechanics to mitigate difficultyExplain.
>>722014391Probably about 1200 in Act 1 and Act 2, haven't lost any in a while.
>>722025310The Unravelled is basically an undead silk spirit possessing corpses, one of which is the corpse of a Conductor. Probably the one who died in the operation recording you can find.
>>722018858I wish they did more with the cute ladybug npcLil dude just wanted to run his game
>>722025181Act 1, I guess. I haven't seen anything talking about another act.The issue is just that most of the boss fights are a huge jump in difficulty compared to the standard levels and that is above where I am at. I can have fun traversing a level, but then run into a boss fight roadblock that I have to clear eventually. Running another direction just roadblocks me another way.
>>722025321Solely upgrades. Some of which are obviously locked behind wishes and boss battles, but the wishes and bosses themselves don't count, only the upgrades themselves.
>>722025461Think like a hunter. Play it safe, observe, endure, then when you figure out their openings, strike with caution.
>>722025447I can gather that much but aren't the Conductors pretty high up in the hierarchy, hardly fitting for Silk experiments, especially the ones that can go wrong
>>722025162what about the secret room in weavenest cindri?
>>722025461Take your time. Even for experienced players in the genre this game is 50+ hours long. It's normal for bosses to be a difficulty spike, particularly early when you have few options and aren't comfortable with the movement. You'll get there.
Why is the Crawfather fight so kino despite me hating the birds everywhere else?
>>722023395>shaman crest"wow how do people find this boss easy? it was so hard for me the guy playing it with a blindfold and both hands tied"uhh, maybe don't use shaman's?
>>722025310>>722025447The unravelled are the souls of a ton of dead failed silk injection experiments. They're just possessing the top of a statue of the conductor, they don't really have anything to do with him. The statue might have been in the Whiteward to honor him or whatever, it's not actually his corpse.
>>722025512Ok so two questions. Do memory lockets count as upgrades and do you get an upgrade for doing the courier to mt fray wish?
>>722025646Because you should be used to fighting them by then.
God the unravelled is so dogshitI wish it was more of a gimmick fight
>>722025751Yes once you use them, and no. Unlocking crests is also needed for getting Eva's rewards, which also count.
https://x.com/Dxictiboyjouj/status/1972665315780919549?t=7cepsFvxNRT94RCNNBO5ZQ&s=19 8 pages of kino
>silksong fanart used to be comfy and i saved them all>now all i see is fucking dogshit "lacenet" yuriSigh
>>722025576It's implied that those experiments are what makes them Conductors in the first place.
>>722025751*technically* lockets don't count for game completion by themselves but you still need to use them to unlock an upgrade through an NPC.the mt Fay delivery doesnt give you anything except rosaries.
just finished act 3.one thing ive seen talked about but not enough is Hornet as a character.its hard to explain exactly but she is so refreshing in the way she acts.>clearly a highly noble and proper princess, she is polite and soft spoken but she also has a beastly hunter side to her. >her goals are most important to her, nobody is above them but she still cares for others. >holds high regard for strength but also for kindness, if you are kind enough she'll act good towards you even if you are physically weak and frail.if i knew how to write my thoughts better i wouldve gone on.it wouldve been so easy to make her either bitchy, boring or a stuck up annoying mc (thick Lace but not comically over the top enough to be enjoyable) but they did really good. she is very very lovely.
>>722025894By what, cause the last one remaining is being dripfed a spool of Silk? I suppose that's reason enough but the experiments down there seemed a lot more nasty
>Fighting Lost Lace>"Ok I think I'm surviving her last phase long enough to not still die if I throw out tools, I get the moveset, if I die this time she's getting the tacks and cogflies">Win that attempt>Never used the toolsThat's how almost all bosses for me went. The tools feel like such a huge waste of potential desu. Can't wait for the Pantheon DLC in 5 years where you get a set budget of 100 shards to do the entire Pantheon of Pharloom with just to reiterate how you're never allowed to use them ever.
>>722025461Don't get greedy Don't be afraid to use toolsUse your cocoon as a reserve heal by not breaking it the moment you start the boss fight If your stuck just explore and you'll probably find upgrades to make bosses easier
>>722025903its cause she was written by mencharacters should only be allowed to be written by the opposite gender if you want them to be likable
>>722025903I like Hornet because she actually acts like an age old demi-god. And the setting takes that character trait very seriously outaide of the handful of "lmao you look like a kid" jokes.I'm currently playing through Hades 2 and I hate how the gods are written.
>>722025870Good
I realize that there is a non zero chance that there's people out there that during the Enter Pharloom sequence allowed themselves to fall into the lava and die right at the end after the silk soar, so they had to redo everything.
>>722025870Lacenet was always a big part of the fanart desu. A crime is for Phantom and GMS to have a total absence of it.>>722025864Kinda like how the community humanised characters with so little to them
>>722025903one of the few games where its mostly female characters and all of them are pleasant.i think its a mix of competence and grace that almost everyone in the game has.
>>722021387>Crest of the Knight - Hollow Knight>Crest of the Fencer (parryslop crest) - Lace>Crest of the Weaver - Grandmother SilksSeems redundant, there's already crests and abilities that already replicate what they can do in some fashion.>Crest of the King - Pale KingNow this I have no idea how it would go.
https://youtube.com/shorts/mRjTjoUF2qk
>>722026204GMS is the most human character in the game because she acts like a deranged woman
>>722026054Tools are mostly easy mode
>>722026156It quicksaves right before so you know it happened to them during testing
>>722026054they keep telling me architect is grossly overpowered but Im getting filtered by how ass the moveset is before I even got to try out the tools (and no, charged attack alone doesnt save the whole moveset)
>>722026229why doesnt herrah look like any of the weavers in this game?
>>722022820Man I should really do a beast crest only run
>>722026364bug queens get fathttps://youtube.com/shorts/oXGiRYfo3q0
>>722026364clearly sometime of a broodmother. has that structure.
>>722026364Do we know if she was a pure-breed Weaver? I suppose Hornet is called half-Weaver so she'd have to be
>>722025870>>now
>>722023174Last time i played there was a bug with the doordash missions where the sash wouldn't get added to your materium collection doing the easiest mission in act 3 so you had to either do the songclave or god forbid the flea circus one. This doesn't count towards 100% and only matters if you want a full collection later but it does matter to a little extent
>>722026364She's a more devolved version of a traditional Weaver. it's stated in SS that the Weavers are slowly losing the gifts GMS gave them when she uplifted them from pharlids. It's also why she's referred to as a "common beast" in HK, compared to her dead husband who was a "true" Weaver.
>>722023015The White Palace you visit is just a dream world, so unless you think Grey Prince Zote is a real guy, the Pale King's corpse also doesn't mean anything.
>>722026250>Everything that isn't roll only no shield no magic no armor giantdad is easy modeI have Soulsfaggot fatigue
>>722023360Literally a quest.The Grey Watcher Knight is the real "how were you supposed to know" boss.
>>722026536What else would you call being able to throw out a tool that does damage regardless of openings or hazards and that requires no other input from you
>>722026490You can find the capture order for hornet, it says she's half weaver
>>722023174biggest one you get locked out of from what i understand is shakra questline + bonus thingy after i wont spoil.
>>722026713Doubt it because that would say where she was captured and no one seems set on where that happened yet, more likely it was another Weaver
>>722023731>>722023804I just did both of these because of these posts. Am I right in thinking that Lugosi turned the Citadel's bugs into some kind of preserved food? What was going on with Styx, is it just that he kills and eats bugs weaker than him or is there more being implied that I'm not getting? The silhouette didn't look like him when I played the Needolin, so is that his wife that he killed or something? He is male after all, and I think it said something about giving birth. It looked like Styx with his head missing, so did he cut his wife's head off or something? I might be overthinking it, it might've just been him without his mask, but then doesn't the needolin only create silhouettes/ghosts for bugs that are dead?
I think it's funny that, for all the times Hornet being half-Weaver is mentioned, the only character who acknowledges her Wyrm heritage is Mister Mushroom.
>>722026676A pretty routine description of magic spells that no other game is so autistic about bestowing on you
>>722026872Well its a culture that used to worship weaversOf course they recognize her weaver blood first
>>722026872The weavers in the memory do it too.
>>722026813Styx isn't really the type of bug he looks like (same species as the Huntress in the Putrified Ducts), he's a faker who keeps masks from several types of bugs. Maybe same species as Nosk.
>>722026872The snail shamans know, though I don't know if they specify a wyrm
... the shippers are ... actually making decent fanfics? Mostly in character and no slop? How come such a thing happened
>>722026813Styx is some schizo killing other bugs and wearing their masks, and acquiring their personalities temporarily (see mask maker dialogue from HK). His mask looks like the Huntress and he's obsessed with trying to feed Hornet so Stux presumably killed her mate and is now skinwalking him.
>>722025870Lacenet is a time from when all we had was trailers and there was no prominent NPC other than Lace. Most of the shippers you see today are people who already made up their mind about it before the game released.
>>722027030Ahh, makes sense.
>>722026872Wyrms aren't really known about in Pharloom are they?
>>722026803>that would say where she was capturedIt kinda does >Full Chamber to the kingdom of the White Wyrm. Claim the Weaver, in half part. Last of their line. Sensed strong with Silk. Resistance anticipated. Quell with rune cage
Didn't realize the mementos didn't even count towards the 100% but I did gather them all. Fuck Seth he cheated on those minigames. There should've been a separate achievement for fully upgrading your bellhome
>>722026872its weird, its like team cherry are kind of ashamed of hornet's patrilineal ancestry
>>722027168Where is this, the others have it on their cages but Hornet's was smashed at the bottom of the ravine
>>722027095But also the more people finish Act 3 the more it spreads
>>722027030I don't think he is like Nosk, he is just a bug with no face who has an identity crisis.
>>722026676Playing as intended
Imagine being one of the 2.4% of people who got all the way to Lace2 and then just quit.
>>722014391>rosaries you've lostI lost like 700 rosaries at Groal before finding the secret bench, and then lost like 1.2k fucking around in act 3, when I didn't need them.>deathsI dunno, most bosses took me fewer than 5 tries, including karmelita and groal. Although I'm stuck on Lost Lace now, she's probably gonna double my deaths. I pretty much instantly die when she speeds up halfway in.
>You can get two different kinds of guns >They're both shitwhy
>>722027480>white knightWhoa...
>>722027332It should be on one of the choral commandment items
>>722021789I saw Peeve use it so yea, it's definitely for ego auto-fellating
>>722027409In your fetish dreams maybe.
>>722027332You find it behind a breakable wall near the top of mosshome
>>722026872How would they even recognize what her other half is?
>>722014391WATCH OUT, SHE'S GOT A GUN
>>722027480I an mildly impressed by the completion rates for the game on Steam. It's higher than most games in the genre even among Souls shit.So were people just memeing? Seems like despite the bitching about difficulty people actually progressed through the game.
>>722027767a lot of people are cheating with mods
>>722027480It's more likely they just haven't gotten around to it
>>722027881The most downloaded ss mods on nexus reach 190k topsGame has millions of players
>>722027580three
>>722027580What's the damage (proportionally) on the gun you can craft from parts?I swear it's the lowest damage tool by a mile
>>722027754I wish this thing was better, it seems like the only late-game rosary dump available after you max out consumables from the store, but it's not even worth using when you have an almost infinite amount of cash to lose
>>722027767I've always been puzzled by how low rhw completion rate for the souls games are, I get not wanting to just summon someone to beat the game for you but just putting most of your levels on raisiyyour hp and getting the heaviest armor+shield+spear should be enough to let you just tank most required bosses
>>722027881does the game still register achievement with mods on?
The weirdest part about the lore to me still is that the knight is older than hornet
>>722027636Oh it should be huh, you're lucky you're right because many a bullshit sentence has started like that, but what does "Full Chamber to the kingdom fo the White Wyrm" mean, what's she's just sitting around some random room. Also last of their line means she has no kids which I suppose is expected
>>722022389this unironicallyTC look like the perfect guys to go in an all new direction.They don't have a huge team to worry about and any thoughts about money are a thing of the past.
>>722017805She's this game's melania
>>722028248>but what does "Full Chamber to the kingdom fo the White Wyrm" meanI took it as in a military sense, sending a full regiment or whatever an chamber is equivalent to to catch her
>>722025903That was one of my big takeaways from the game too. She's like a badass chivalrous knight who takes full responsibility for her actions in the kingdom, it's a joy to play as her
>>722028218Saying the knight is older than hornet is like saying your computer is older than you because technically the metal ore it's made from is ancient.
>>722028341If you have max health and wanderer's crest you can facetank most of the fight, she gives you plenty of room to heal
I find it funny how crest of the beast is so dogshit it's not even mentioned in crest debates.
>>722028367Is that a musical term, they do like those and it is also capitalised, also kind of implies Hallownest survived if they know of it and who made it as I believe it has been several years since the first one
>>722028061That depends where you craft it, it can be repaired by the Deep Docks smithy, the Twelfth Architect, and Hornet using a weaver workshop.The most basic version from the forge daughter does have more damage and capacity than the similar straight pin, but obviously it costs silk to shoot.
What the hell, GMS was easier than the Radiance.
>>722028561I never quite understand what her real world old counterpart was.Like I have a hard time visualizing it, is that her head?Did she became some huge overgrown ancient bug that can hardly move and sing? Was that the idea?
>>722028367>>722028639According to wiki, a chamber choir is between 8-40 singers
>>722028757She's an ant queenShe became a huge bitch like Vespa did in the Hive
>>722028729They balanced GMS around some completely optional easter egg gimmick ending which is a bizarre edition.
>>722028561>Kill the other three first>Turn their hearts in for the quest>Kill her last>Get to keep her young and beautiful heart in my bellhome forever Anyone else do this?
>>722028809So we do know that Hornet was sticking around Hallownest for whatever reason, wonder why they thought she'd be so strong to need a full squad or perhaps they just send the same amount of troops every time
>>722028729>>722028886DLC superbossTrust
>>722028729Radiance is a secret true ending boss, GMS is more like THK
>>722028561>Telling her that this sacrifice is necessary because the power from her heart could quell the void>Gilly is looking over her corpse, seems sad that a great being had to die>Tell her it was needed to save Pharloom>Hornet is just lying because I have 4 hearts in my pocketActually, is the dialogue any different if you do the ritual, consume the other 3 hearts, then come back and fight Karmelita? Is hornet like "I don't need it, but it would look cool on my wall"
The thing I hate the most is how backloaded the game is with upgrades and items. Feels like you're being starved through all of act 1 and then late act 2 you're finding tons of shit. This could have been paced out a lot better. Also something small that bothered me was how the first health upgrade you get feels basically worthless as you can still only take 3 hits of 2 damage attacks. First nail upgrade kind of feels similar in how it doesn't seem like much of an upgrade.
>>722027480I think those people are the kind who don't know about act 3 and wanna stall doing the final boss so instead they go for completion/upgrades before proceeding
>>722028729GMS is a deliberate anticlimax and a boss they expect you to fight multiple times.
>>722028729Just wait until we get the final pantheon fight of lost lace + lost GMS plus savage beastfly
>>722026872
Interestingly the final ending shows that the Shade Lord isn't actually in total control of the the entire Void/Abyss. It's more like he can exert control/dominance locally, but the standard instinct of the substance is still to consume anything.
Friendly reminder that this fucker is a legit schizo with multiple personalities tied to different masks. One makes him hyper-submissive, one makes him a breeding stud (and probably the father of Huntress' babies), and one turns him into "the one to fear" We're totally fighting Styx the Fearsome in this game's Godhome equivalent.
>>722028983They had some intel of her since they knew she was half-weaver, they could also estimate her strength from their experience capturing widow
>super radiant voided savage beastfly that does 4 damage attacks as final dlc bossTrust the plan
>>722026530If you die in the white palace you die in real life
>>722018258Mad cuz bad. Seething because unskilled. Malding because maidenless.
>>722029052It only feels backloaded because you've gotten used to the exploration. If you beeline for the main quests then you'll also be starved for upgrades. Then once you get into the habit of exploring in act 2, the natural instinct is to backtrack and explore more in act 1, which has a lot more upgrades than you think it has.
>>722026364it's a retcon, she was just a "regular" deepnest spider type in HKI think the best way to reconcile it is to have Herrah be half-weaver but then PK godseed fuckery made the cool weaver blood express itself fully while discarding any lame regular bug genes
>>722026530>the Pale King's corpse also doesn't mean anything.it means everythingyou literally acquire the king's soul from his body and it persists when you leave the white palace, it's the real soulthe alternative is to imagine for some reason the pale king left a body double in a dream world for someone to find but somehow imbued that body double with his real soul and somehow survived afterwards despite leaving his soul behind - which is several ridiculous layers into nonsensical "keikaku just as planned" territory, not to mention it makes the hollow knight story completely nonsensical
>>722025352the spells do not speed up the fight enough to justify the risk of losing a heal considering how punishing a single mistake can beand if you try to use tools to often during a boss you'll soon find yourself grinding for shardsin Hollow Knight, if you wanted to speednuke the boss with spells, you had to gitgud enough to not depend on the heal which was fast and frequent enough to give you plenty of margin of error to learn the boss patterns in less attempts
>>722029217I took it more as him just kinda living there.Not being some void lord but one of the rare creatures that survives there fully.Like one of those animals that can live in space or really deep underwater
>>722029368Did Weavers as we know them from this game exist in the first game and why would they not have made Herrah one to begin with
I finished the game and I think in all my time playing I lost a total of 1000-1200 rosaries. Those could have saved me time that I was forced to farm but it's no big deal.
Just beat Phantom, S tier fight easy. Please more bosses like this TC.I have no idea why so many anons thought she's a boy. The voice is extremely feminine, just a little hoarse. one of the lines sounds like she's giving you a handjob and going "is that all you got" when you cum
>>722029569There was a live weaver you could briefly see in a secret room and she had the same design as in SS
I may be misremembering things , but didn't Herra have a dead husband? Who was more weaver than her? And she made Hornet to legitimise her rule? And ig now to propagate the weaver species
>>722029569You can see one of the big headed ones for a moment in HK before she runs off screen
>>722029569>Did Weavers as we know them from this game exist in the first gameYes there is a living Weaver (big globe head) that runs away. >why would they not have made Herrah one to begin withWeavers fled their old kingdom then fled back when Radiance shit started happening, it was implied that Herrah was a descendant of the Weavers who came to Hallownest. So technically full weaver I guess, just a Hapsburg Weaver.
anons help how do I get to the heart of the wood and the heart of the wild
>>722029656>I have no idea why so many anons thought she's a boyOnly reason I could imagine is the obvious mental association to phantom of the opera being about a guy.
Herrah was a retconShe was called a common bug in the irst game
How many seemingly mainstory bosses is it possible to skip and still actually finish the game? Bonus points if including chapter 3
>>722029717>>722029732>>722029759So like even back then they had decided the Weavers were special? Were they meant to be spiders, they hung around the Deepnests right and the spiders there wore their kind of mask I think, probably stupid to try to apply lore from a 8 year old game to this one
>>722029759>all weavers have a big round head slim body>Herra is fat and has hornseveryone is talking about Karmelita hitting the wall, i'm pretty sure Herra was already hag when asked Wyrm to dick her
>>722029841Up from the dancing statue in antland and down the elevator shaft in the citadel
>>722029759Maybe the big head is just a mask and Herrah used a different mask as kind of a crown
>>722028965>>722029046Don't you only get to mount the Green Prince's?
the Knight is male>well ACKSHUALLY the Vessels are genderless beca--the Knight is maleyou know he's male, i know he's male. he's designed as a male, knights are male, nothing about his design is feminine, the developers referred to him as male in Hungry Knight and referred to him as male in the development of Hollow Knightthe Hollow Knight (bigger one) is clearly male too, there's a reason everyone says the Pale King thought of him as a SON rather than 'as a child'funnily enough the fans of this game know this and subconsiously give it away, by saying Silksong was the mother & daughter counterpart to the father & son story of Hollow Knightyour brain understands that both of the Knights are male and categorizes them as such, don't liethis bizarre gender ambiguity shit of is tiresome and i will not adhere to it and i will not live in delusion world, sorryhornet is a girl and the knight is male
>>722030036Listen, if I do-or-die MUST have a child, I'm going for the most fertile Venus of Willendorf lookin' lady I can find.
>>722030012Someone found a way to get double jump without the clawline so you can get to GMS killing only 4-5 bosses
>>722030073You can get three hearts, turn it in, then get the fourth
>>722029052Hard agree. In HK you can get:>A full mask>Long Nail>Shaman Stone for spell damage>Quick Focus for healingbefore you even move out of Crossroads.In Silk Song to get the same you need to do this:>1 full mask at most by the very end of act 1>longclaw way at the end of act 2 and its worse than longnail which was the LESSER nail extension charm>Quick heal halfway into act 2>Extra tool damage after a long side quest act 1>Extra spell damage separate at the end of act 2Also a huge offender is how the fleas give you NOTHING while you get a payout for every single grub
>>722029523What about other mechanics like Hornet's different move sets and the quicker and tighter movements like clawline?Because this game is at it's best when you stop playing like you're the Knight and start playing like you're Hornet.
>>722030014Iirc the ball headed weavers were planned to be a type of spell casting enemy in deepnest but they got cut
>>722030073If you have all four hearts the snails always leave the conjoined one in your inventory.But you can turn in any three if you only have those three.
>>722029656Phantom of the Opera and the voice sounds like a bishounen pretty boy from an anime more than anything.
>>722030106Pretty much, but to be honest even western fanartist have stopped giving a shit about using the "correct" pronouns.
>>722030216>Because this game is at it's best when you stop playing like you're the Knight and start playing like you're Hornet.This game is at its best when you equip Wanderer crest and pretend you're the Knight with quick slash lol.
>>722030174>>1 full mask at most by the very end of act 1You get the skull tool which is one of the strongest early to mid game survivability items
>>722029462nta but it's both entirely possible and entirely precedented in-universe for that body to be just another discarded shell after he took another body and fucked outta the kingdom for his own safety.
>>722027881A few percent yes, but console versions have similar achievement percentages.
>>722029020 again Lace
>>722029996Source.
>>722030046thanks
>>722030320so why is his soul there?why did he go to such desperate lengths to save hallownest and fuck with the void when he could've just pissed off somewhere else to acquire new worshippers?
>>722028729>The midgame bad ending boss was easier than the true ending boss in the first game, how can this be?
>>722030269>>722030169Shit, and then mount Karmelita's?Wonder if I could regress the save back to Karmelita and redo everything. I actually beat her first.
>>722030320going from dune worm to twink king is a ratio of like 50000000:1if he could do the transformation again the result would be like a single DNA strand
>>722030305alright i agree with you there that the mask is useful, but that mask is behind a difficult optional area from a hidden shopkeeper. At that point you could have 2 full masks in HK
>>722030283Hunter is the best crest for the best bosses (Karmelita, Widow and First Sinner, Lace 2, Cogwork Dancers)
>>722030106the faggots who'll correct you every time you use "him" to refer to ghost are the same people who will later gush and squee when saying hornet was "saved by her brother" lol the dissonance is really something
>>722030174>Extra tool damage after a long side quest act 1You can buy the first tool damage upgrade as soon as you get to deep dock>Extra spell damage separate at the end of act 2I thought spell damage was tied to your nail upgrade, so first upgrade after Widow.
Can someone offer a gentle hint to help me get to this guy?
>>722030398It's only half the Kingsoul, the other half is given by White Lady. It's not his literal soul, because that would require him to somehow split his literal soul in half and give it to his wife for unknown reasons.
>>722029462Are you stupid? The White Lady gives you "her soul" too and doesn't die from it, why would the King? Did you just forget that they each give you one half of the Kingsoul charm? Oh wait, you thought the name "Kingsoul" was literal and not just a reference to the Knight realizing his origins... it's autism.
>>722030583Look for places to use high jump in the hunter's march
>>722030583Statue to the left
>>722030472He turned into a single spore, and that spore grew into Mr. Mushroom.
>>722030583Silk soar at the statue in Hunter's Path.
>>722030583Look in Hunter's March
>>722030583Hunter's march, there's a place that obviously has a secret yet you can't do anything there when you first find it
Take a seat, anon.
>>722030651>>722030659>>722030675>>722030694>>722030702Thank you frens
>>722030583You need to get the dive ability to swim under Craw Lake
>>722030036>>722030064Are people retarded? The globe head is obviously a mask, there's literally a weaver without one in Silksong.
>>722017805>Reach Karmelita>Still complaining about double damageNigger what?
>one child is essentially a void god and has a nightmare god as a companion>the other child is one step away from becoming a god and has a godlike silk being as a companion>the last one is a bit cracked but was still strong enough to contain the radiance for agesHow is Pale King's seed so fucking strong bros?His three kids can conquer the world if they want to.
>>722030802Wyrm blood
>>722030802his original form is a long and thick shaft
>>722030802>His three kidsThose three are like one among a million failures each though.
>>722030802Wyrm cock
>>722030802Do we know how long the Hollow Knight lasted, presumably they didn't built the statue before they thought it was working
>>722030802Wyrms are shaped like dicks for a reason
>>722030953Consider how there's probably still a bunch of vessels roaming around that were not randomly killed on their pilgrim to the black egg.What do you think happens to them?>Break on the knight achieving void control, returning to the earth>just kinda gather around the HK since their instinct still drives them>Get freed of their initial purpose and do their own shit
>>722031007HK probably lasted an age(?)Long enough for people to forget him outside of the statue
>section on the wiki dedicated to just all the different nicknames NPCs have for her
>>722030579i only managed to get 1 nail upgrade and barely notice itmost random mooks took 4 hits to kill, now only some of those mooks take 1 less hit to die
>>722026048The conductors are the heads of the church after the Weavers fucked off and we know they were attempting to make themselves immortal via silk
How would you fix her character?
>>722031152BIGGERTITS
>>722014391I lost like 500 once in the early game. I was really mad for like 10 seconds but I remembered how impossible it was to spend your geo by the end of the game in hollow knight so I assumed rosaries would be the same - I was correct in my assumption
>>722031184Fair
>>722031235>>722031152Imagine if Ari designed the Radiance todayShe'd be so fucking sexed up Jesus Christ
>>722031146Do we know if the Weavers came up with the silk injection thing or was that the Citadel? We don't exactly know the timeline for when they fucked off, but from what I remember it seems they all left pretty early
>>722031235Grand MOTHER Silk
>>722029656EE TA HOOHAWH
>>722031146I suppose it's up in the air at this point as people are still grasping at straws but how much of the Citadel's hierachy was in place before the Weavers left
>>722031290The weaver tablet in marrows talks about watching over the bugs ensnared in their web so I imagine it started really early
>>722018858>Snail niggers in A
>>722030723ok
>>722031547That's just to explain why the "feral" bugs can be interacted with by the Needolin, presumably they accidentally ate the Silk
>>722031146>>722031371From my understanding the original Pharloom was way more peaceful with Weaver being worshipped as the first children while the religion wasn't as greedy with a plain humble Citadel reminiscent of an ascetic monk temple.But then the First Sinner went ballistic and everything went to shit. And during that point the Weavers subverted the religion and corrupted it so that the gigantic music box containing GMS cpuld operate. And then it's just guess work as to when the Conductors usurped them or when the Silk experiments started etc.
Halt, little ghost! It is time for our rematch. I have acquired many tools and silk skills since we last fought, and this time I will not hold b-- ACK!
>>722031726You can cross stitch that.
>>722031726People relied too much on the iframes crutch
>>722031726Hornet would take 4 masks from the shit that does 2 to the knight
>>722031824Knight takes damage just from walking into Hornet though, she could just bump him to death
>>722031726Someone needs to mod the first HK to include all of silksong hornet's moves, then create a TAS of them fighting like that one of fox vs falco on final destination
>>722031786>ghost just shade cloaks his way out of your cross stich damageWhat now, sister?
>>722031726What's Little Ghost's counter to poison tool spam? It would be at least 2 masks of damage per hit (one per hit and one tick of poison).
>>722031708>everything fell apart because of a single daughter>continues to fall apart because of womenBRAVO TEAM CHERRY
>>722031726Hornet would've won if she used cofflies
>>722031695Right, but that means everything in Pharloom was getting passively infused with silk even before all the citadel experiments
>>722028729She's not the final boss, and she also needs to be able to be beaten without healing, for the cursed ending.
>>722031795>i love getting frame locked by rng
>Those are not horns, that's a dent in her head
>>722031152It would be could if she could speak. Even the radiance could sorta speak
>>722031956Isma's Tear
>>722031708From what I've read I thought that the transfer of power from Weavers to Conductors was peaceful
>>722032019Pharloom is one gigantic web. The bells and music stuff act as a way for GMS to see everything.
>>722031956>>722031993>ghost shows up with pic related to tank all your cogfly damage
>>722032078Probably. It seems like everyone just followed the Weavers since they were essentially godlike compared to the average bug.But their powers waned because blood got diluted and weavers were only ever born female.
>>722032019Maybe higher beings can fight it off but stupid bugs are too dumb not to get caught
>>722031956>poisoning voidhe doesn't need a counter to voidvoid devours and corrupts everything, void is the ultimate poison
>>722032125Originally meant to contain GMS but now being used by her to manipulate everything, even the dead
>>722019349Hornet is very racist against the flies and talks mad shit to the thiefs too, along with basically everyone unsavoury. She cuts the flea who peeks at her in the sauna, says "you better hand that over before I kill you and take it" on multiple occasions to peaceful bugs, she talks about how she doesn't hate the idea of ruling over the bugs like a monarch if you talk to the shaman after killing Lace AND she likes things that are pretty and that have a silky touch. I enjoy that she has character as opposed to the Vessel and that they made her a dominating violent armed woman who doesn't take shit from subhumans because she doesn't have to
>>722032303By that logic, he shouldn't get hurt by anything at all
>>722031956>projectilesDodge them>tacksPogo>cogfliesHit them for free soul
>>722023404So if I skip the basic early mos enemy, nuu would have unique dialogue for that?
Radiance isn't nearly as fuckable as GMS, so GMS wins purely for that alone.
>>722032371you can hurt his mask through impact, it seems to be made of soul at least in his vessel formas a shadelord you either use soul spells, silk or the delicate flower to hurt itnot sure how void interact with lifeblood though
>>722022052I didn't even know down dash was a thing until yesterday when I beat karmelita, and only because I was fucking around with my toolset
>>722032592Hornet never tried to stop Radiance herself because she was fluffy
>>722032437She doesn't tell you about everything. I had missed those flying pogo enemies in the mr mushroom climb and she didn't say anything about them.She only told me about the lifeblood stuff in the wormways and the watcher on the edge. Although, I already had a pretty complete journal by the time I started talking to her, so there's probably more.
>>722027767Guidefagging
>>722027767You can cheese steel soul by doing alt + f4 before dying
>>722028486>wanderer's crestmore like cheater's crest
>>722030106go post this on reddit and enjoy express -500 downvotes
Now that I've finished this game, ehat are some others like it I should try? I never really enjoyed platformers or metroidvanias until I played HK recently then Silksong. I enjoyed the boss fights a lot more than platforming, so what are some similar games you anons enjoyed?
>>722014391No idea, but every time I got more than 80/140 I stringed them up.>NOOOO YOU'RE LOSING 20 ROSARIESAnd now they're safe in my pocket no matter how much I fuck up. Also I can grind those 20 lost balls in 2 seconds. What's the issue?
>>722032303>void devours and corrupts everything, void is the ultimate poison>Jobs to fucking flower power
>>722030802Big Pale Cock
>>722032928The Void wins eventually though
>>722023404>>722032673How do you get her to start telling you about missed enemies? Because I kept talking to her throughout Act 3 and all she ever said was that I was close to finishing the journal. And I had not done the Grey Watcher Knight, because that was the one boss I missed in my blind 100% playthrough and only learned about afterwards.
>>722030106Nothing about the design of the knight is masculine either. He is a black lil blob with limbs underneath the mask. I don't get why you'd get bent out of shape about the lore that the vessels, including the knight, are all genderless. They are neither male or female nor something in between. The entire concept of sex is pointless regarding them because they are just void entities occupying the shape of the vessels.
>>722032928an endlessly op substance ought to be countered by some random little harmless thing, it's poetic
>>722033014i dealt with your argument in my second line
>>722032821Metroid Dread
>>722032928unironically canonmaybe those flowers can harnes soul power in the same way as silk does, they are conected to the white lady, whatever she isLifeblood seems able to resist void somehow
>>722033162Will try it
Its strange that Herra is never brought up in the game, no? Or did I miss some obtuse lines? I'm well into Act 3
>>722033458Keep playing
>>722033458Finish act 3.
>>722033458Play more
>>722033458Not well enough apparently >>722026490
>>722014391I fucking hate the Savage Beastfly. It should be so easy and yet it's kicking my ass.
>>722032863It's definitely the way to go at least on your first playtrough. I got stingy with using them and regretted it later
gynocentric game
>>722032078>From what I've read I thought that the transfer of power from Weavers to Conductors was peacefulWeavers fled, there was no implication of war. The weavers captured were taken under GMS' unchecked rule from my interpretation
>>722033458>"Please spoil the game for me"Why are people like this, why not just finish the game first
>>722033746>gynocentric gameGood, I love women so much its unreal
>>722033151You didn't, because even if Pale king raised Hollow Knight as a "son" that didn't make the knight a male or grant him sexual characteristics. None of the vessels are male or female biologically, because the void consumed any such characteristics from them. Hornet is called the gendered child for a reason. There is no point in calling her that if the vessels had genders. People use male pronouns for the vessels because both the player character and the Hollow Knight are associated more with masculine characteristics by the fandom, but that does not make them biologically male no matter how much you cope or seethe about it.All the vessels are genderless void homonculi, with no sexual characteristics.
>>722029759There's a corpse with a design similar to hers on the Beast's chapel, so she might just be another kind of weaver that got preference because she worked out at the gym and not the library
>>722033867the knight is malei will write "he" when referring to him, you can seethe about it and angrily correct me just like all the other troons did in the last 5 years whenever i wrote "he"
>>722033867All the vessels are male because they're disposable incompetents that have a one in a million chance to get on the same level as one (1) woman.
>>722033867He's male because if he wasn't they'd make a big deal about it like they did with Hornet
steam reviews say the game is bad
>>722033004I'm not sure. I was just passing through and talked to her to see if she had anything to say and she started giving me hints.
>>722033004>>722034161It's just act 3 and it's just for the plasmified boss and watcher.
>>722033967You do not need to be a tranny to respect the blatantly told facts about the lore. And I don't mind people using male pronouns for the knight, I am just correcting you when you try to insist that the knight is actually male when none of the vessels are either male or female biologically. They are arguably not even bugs because of the process via which they were created. They are void entities.
>>722033991The knight is far more powerful than Hornet is tho.
>>722034318yes he is a void entity(notice i did not write 'them')
