>steam demo is out>no threadsIt's so over bros...Battle Brothers died for this.
>>722022280inb4 the schizo starts rambling about the black woman again.
>>722022280Shill it to me
>>722022697It's wokeCancel your download right now
It's.....ok?I dont know if it's the brightly lit desert map but everything just blurs into the background.Suppression feels almost OP since you just suppress everything and the enemy then has to watch for the rest of the game as you slowly chip them to death. On the other hand two basic pirates in a ditch can tank 4 tank MG salvos from2 tiles away without a care in the world when prone.It is fun that you can actually play tactically but everything so far has been suppression > slowly kill everything > winAlso parking the recon drone in front of the enemies makes them tunnel on it hard and they waste a ton of shots on it since it seems to be hard to hit.
>>722023000>I dont know if it's the brightly lit desert map but everything just blurs into the background.Yeah 3d was a mistake.
>>722022910ERMAGERDIS THAT...A BLACK WOMAN???????AAAAARGH I'M GOING INSAAAAAAAAAAAANE
>>722022758it's like XCOM if XCOM was made by a milsim autist
>>722023000I think that's kind of the point, suppression is the core combat mechanic.
I could look past the diversity quota if the game was good, but it's really not.
SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER
>>722024585This looks like a 2010 XBLA game
It feels very slow to play which is the largest problem, completely lacks the snappiness of Battle Brothers. The maps also take a long time to move across before you get to a fight sometimes. It actually feels like this is their first tactical game not BB. Lots of little janky problems like firing rockets through walls, not being able to shoot round corners and dead bodies and civs blocking your vehicle. Tbh I don't like how better equipment basically punishes you since the game wants you to deploy at low supply or you get a shitty rating
>>722024662
>>722023179Wasnt the 3d a requirement for the grant? Either way I dont like it.>>722024152I get that but I dont know if I like it.I'll play it some more later but right now it elicits the worst reaction form me. It's not bad enough to hate but not good enough to hype or overly praise.It just kind of exists.>>722024785Clicking again when moving speeds up the animation but yeah it's slow.
>>722024585>legsewwww
Did they get bought out by corpos or something wtf
>>722025360They only got money from government to make a game or something I think. That's it.
>>722025360They are taking a grant from the German Government. That is the reason for colored female soldiers and squad leaders. The ministry of culture is the one providing the grant, and as you know german culture = diverse.As for the game, I do not enjoy the squad mates being limited. I hope in the full game there is a way to slowly replenish them or get more. In the demo you don't really have to worry about running out but I am sure this will be an issue in the full game.
>>722024585This looks like a fake mobile phone game ad.
>>722022910delicious chocolate
>>722022280I will not play any game with rpg mechanics for at least the next decade minimum
>>722025917yeah I'd need to see the strategy layer to make a full judgement
Don't alpha strikeGame is designed around suppression.Suppression first, then flankYou have squaddies. The more squaddies you have, the more supression power (formula goes like this >hit damage x bullet rounds x squaddies)Learn to cooperate with your squadsVehicles have limited ammo but can ran over baddiesRead the weapon statsRange and detection are keyUse your sccesories
>>722022910Made for....Is this game decent? I dropped battle brothers because I realized I wasn't autistic enough for it and because I didn't get the feeling my actions mattered.
>>722022910CUTE! CUTE! CUTE!
>shut the fuck up>what?Kino dialogues
>>722031832>they all pronounce pog as "pawg">except the old guy who screams "IT'S POHG"
It's not that I hate playing it or that it's irredeemable garbage but for all the time and money that went into it it's painfully mediocre.Also ammo (even regular rifle ammo) feels a bit short at times.
>>722022697the black woman is cute and not woke codedmore worried about the jeeta we've seen on scheenshots
>>722022910hopefully we can mod out the women and n1ggers like you can in xcom 2
>>722022910>full of niggers and sandniggers>financed by German governmentWe must play better games
>SOMEONE CALL MOMThe ai need some work desu.
>>722034731she drives the APC so you'll be seeing her a lot
>sniper squad dies without doing anything Chudding.
>>722022910The black chick doesn't look ugly. Hmm interesting. Wonder why studios can't make a hot ebony?
>>722022280Why is this game being shilled so hard?
>>7220378591) Battle Brothers autists hungry for the devs' next game2) Beaglerush rose from the grave to shill it
>>722037929battle brothers did not have a big followingbeaglerush is not a good advertisement
>>722037859
>>722022280>Battle Brothers died for this.i was wondering what happened to it.they should have done more fantasy games, i don't want to play modern warfare stuff
>>722038083Battlebrothers was made by one guy alone this is made by a team of 10 developers after the guy that made battlebrothers got the German Government to pay him for making this shit,
I dont think I've seen anyone shill it.The most positive reaction I have seen is "It's ok I guess"
>>722038060it has a small but extremely loyal (and autistic) fanbase
>>722037859I asked
All I want in life is XCOM1 2 or XCOM2 2 and for some reason no company (AA or AAA) is willing to make it.
>>722038363it coulda happened if Jake Solomon hadn't decided to shoot Firaxis in the head execution-stylethe Star Wars XCOM might be XCOM 2 2
>>722038482>Star Wars
>>722038363that game is always on 95% sale on steam.i don't think it's going to have a sequel
>>722038651way she goes, bud
>>722038363Xenonauts?
>>722038778Xenonauts is X-COM1 2
The closest game to XCOM2 is PP but it is... very flawed.
>>722025917>I hope in the full game there is a way to slowly replenish them or get more.They explicitly said you can get more squaddies in the strategic layer. The demo is basically the smallest gameloop slice they can reasonably get away with.>>722038363I'm tired of nucom slop, I'm glad we're finally getting tactics games trying to do literally ANYTHING but >move action and shoot action per turn>full and half cover>flanking means you do a bazillion damageEnemy Unknown and it's consequences have been a fucking disaster for the tactics genre.
>XCOMWhy XCOM if it's more like JA?
>>722039120it's in space
All the character portraits are AI by the way
I know the devs are reading this, take the niggers out of the game, thank you
>>722024785My biggest problem is the balance right now honestly. The autolaser is just too good compared to the HMG and GPMG options. Infinite ammo is just way too good to pass up compared to the extra range and suppression of the MGs, while also being flexible enough to engage vehicles (also obsoleting the rocket launcher too), in one run I actually ended up finding a cool tripod mounted version of the GPMG too, but it's just objectively worse in every way to the bipod mounted one. Same stats, except you need to spend an additional 20 AP to deploy it after dropping to a crouch and it has 2 more shots. It is slightly cheaper I guess.
urrhhh
>>722040059>it's ma'am
>>722022280Gameplay looks alright; but its a bit too zoomed out to appreciate anything.
>>722040059Sex
>>722040183I kinda miss the stumps from Battle Brothers. The jump to 3d made the game look generic
>>722022910>>722040059
>>722040991I'm hoping it's just down to them choosing a generic desert planet for the demo and there are whackier environments
>>722040991>The jump to 3d made the game look genericI think the environmental design needs more weird stuff in them. There's too many plain buildings and too much empty terrain.
>>722041052>>722041271The steam page shows a frozen planet, a forest planet and the desert planet we have right now. Plus I think some urban combat in the gameplay trailer, so it's just a matter of us getting barely anything to chew on. They're also gonna throw aliens and shit at us too, going by the promo and dev blogs.
They should have use cell shading to make game stand out.
is this a xcom clone or ja?
>>722039369nah
>>722041516More JA, but with an xcom setting
>>722041562>xcom setting>not on earth>not a secret military force>significant portion of the game is fighting other humans
>>722041448>yo let's copy valkyria chronicles!
>>722041883you know there's more than one game with tanks in it, right?
>>722041728look we only got two boxes for tactics games, it's either XCOM or Jagged Alliance.UFO Aftermath and it's sequels? Xcom.7.62 High Caliber? Jagged Alliance.MENACE? Jagged Alliance despite being in space.
>>722041921I presume he's ribbing on the guy suggesting to make the game cell shaded. Since it would look pretty VC with the STuG Mdl. 2104 if it went for a more stylized aesthetic.
>>722041883Kino.
>Attempted two campaigns, both times last mission is like slamming my head into a wall presumably because I poorly promoted my doods, as I was putting points in with an assumption that I will actually get to spec them out fully instead of going for maximum bang for buck skills>The problem specifically is not being able to finish off Pinned enemy troops in a timely manner, I can keep them Pinned until I kill them eventually, but for every turn spent Pinning another two enemy squads show up and eventually all flank around to go sit on the objectiveSo it seems like speed is king, as always in war related things. Specifically, having a way to close and finish off suppressed troops. My most effective unit was the Guerilla guy because he runs directly up to Pinned enemies and hoses them with an SMG, as it seems that you have like 95% accuracy at point blank.The game is fun, but damn do things feel slooooooww with units having like 2 tiles of movement per turn, airstrikes taking a year to land, pinned enemies/allies taking a decade to be killed or eventually crawl away/etc. I understand the basics of /k/ shit enough to know fire-and-maneuver, and it's satisfying to pull off, but the maneuver part feels absurdly slow. I tend to form a strategy along the lines of "blitz group A in, group B flanks with armor", but in practice it becomes a slog as soon as contact is established.tl;dr, overall bretty gud/10 so far, my hope is these issues are side effects of being in super early game.
>>722037747There was a black dude who made a lengthy Facebook or Twitter post or some shit (I can't keep the social medias you kids use these days) ranting about how every time he tries to create concept art or even submit reference material of a cute black chick the studio ultimately butchers the design and makes the character ugly as fuck.
I wish that sprint was a default ability and that the leveled up promotion skill was just an upgraded version that reduced the debuff from use.A bit more mobility to make fixing and flanking faster.That said the demo is early game stuff so who knows what combat is like with maxxed out squads with power armour and lasers is like.
>>722022910>smug black womannope
>>722022910At least it's a qt negress and she's not incredibly annoying.The only annoying squaddies imo are Jean, who's grating but tolerable, (being ironically annoying is still annoying), and tankjeet, who is only mildly annoying at worst, I just find "muh bloodlust" types annoying regardless of genitals unless they're exceptionally well made/really really hammy. My biggest complaint is they simply don't have enough voice lines, I don't fully hate voiced squad leaders but please god at least give them enough unique lines that I don't hear them all after two turns.
>>722022280It runs like shit...>>722022697That bitch is so fucking hot...
>>722038060>battle brothers did not have a big followingAnd that's a good thing.
So this game good?
>>722042112>My most effective unit was the Guerilla guy because he runs directly up to Pinned enemies and hoses them with an SMG, as it seems that you have like 95% accuracy at point blank.Accuracy actually depends more on what gun you have. Different weapons have different favored range bands. The SMG of course performs best within 1-2 tile range, the ARC does best at 3-4, K-PAC 4 and 5 and the Crowbar 6+
>>722039009I actually really like Phoenix Point, but I must concede that the game simply feels unfinished. If you told me the game in it's current state is in Early Access I'd be all in, because the "bones" are honestly really good, but holy fuck it just needs more polish and dev time to fix a million little issues, speed up enemy turns when there's a gorillion enemies, add a Parcel-type mapgen like XCOM2, clean up the strategy layer, etc etc the list could be an entire post limit wall of text. The Terror from the Deep mod helps but it feels like trying to fix a missing leg with a hilariously small band aid.
>>722038363Get Troubleshooters
>>722042951I felt like it was missing a third tech layer.It's like you only upgrade to mid-tier and then stop.I know the intended thing is to mix/match stuff from the different factions for those synergetic tactics but it felt like everything just stopped advancing earlier than it should of.Also fuck the ancients, dumb robot shits.
>>722031832whoever wrote the pirate dialog needs to be fired. and I fucking HATE the anime voice they do>>722039120what game is this?
>>722043394forgot image
>>722042850Yeah I know that, but it seems that once an enemy goes prone even having a sniper makes it a crapshoot on if you actually inflict any casualties, whereas if you get right up on the enemy even if it says it's not an accurate shot it seems to be a guaranteed kill on anything unarmored just because the SMGs shoot a lot per burst. You can do the same with pretty much any other gun too, but I just happened to use the SMG.Also pro tip- you can shoot outside your effective range with some weapons by shooting the ground in front of the target. It's obviously not going to do full damage but it can Suppress and save another squaddie's ass in an emergency.
>>722043394looks like Cold Waters.
Not for me, enjoy your new game bros.
I really enjoy it
>>722043394>eeds to be fired. and I fucking HATE the anime voice they doJA2 kino.
>>722022280i'm just hoping they don't all in gimmick fights like BB. The beast DLC was dogshit. >Out during night? Whoops 20 alps vs your eight dudes and you better hope you have enough maces for stuns and nets and dogs else its game over!I'm okay with boomer coded games but BB was just unfair most of the time if you play how the devs intended
>>722043957>NNNNOOOOOOOOOO I HAVE TO WIN EVERY TIME AND SHOULDNT BE REQUIRED TO THINK AHEAD OR PLAN
>>722044121You carry around 12 spare maces?
>>722043581Suppressed+ enemies aren't much of a threat. So I think you're intended to switch targets often until you maneuver to a point where you get a huge shot off on someone who isn't pinned
>>722043957>forest at night>max speedGit gud broski
>>722022697>>722022910Not my problem
>>722024785>the snappiness of Battle Brothersall i remember from battle b rothers is constantly waiting as it moved around the map
>>722044441Nigger your now making up details I was camping in a mountain city dipshit. I enjoy the game but faggots like you make me hate it because it's "perfect" and you can not dare critique it like souls faggotry.
>>722044812I have no idea how people that say that BB is quick and snappy play that game...
>>722044354Yeah under most circumstances, but on maps with constantly spawning enemies not finishing them quickly will see you either be overwhelmed as the number of enemies you can keep down is overrun, or on the base defense missions where they just plop their asses in the zone and just sit there racking up points suppressed while you can't afford to move a squad all the way over to a place they can actually hit them to get rid of them since doing so will take like 4 turns minimum.
>>722044982It's because the didn't play the fucking game. I love BB but every aspect of that game was slow and grueling, especially with the fucking DOGSHIT gimmick enemies that you face near the end. Or the mid game. Or the beginning. Just faggots who are either lying to shit on >new or faggots who are just braindead retarded.
>>722039120>You arrogant ass, you killed us!
>>722044354For base defense missions you have to destroy them when they're pinned. Since they still keep capping the zone until they're completely wiped out.
>>722038061Not our fault we've hat people trying to abuse and manipulate is for marketing for decades now. >you now remember the DMC marketer who chucked a fit here after getting fired by EA
>>722045548>DMC>EAwuh?
>>722045672You're right, I'm mixing him up with another one. my bad
>>722045752i think you're just talking out your ass
Martian babes can't be this cute...right?
>release date pushed back>early access
>>722046069WARCRIMES
>>722022910>All the women are hotThanks anon, picked the fuck up. Buying all of my friends copies too.
>>722038363marvel nights anon =)
>>722022280its, too short and too janky>you get new gear, but the operation ends haha
>>722039009I hate this shit game
>>722024785>snappiness of Battle Brothers.nigga, you needed mods or cheat engine speed hack to play it comfortably or you would just waaaaaaaait, and fuck you if you fought 2 dozen zombies in teh rains>snappinesswhy lie like that you mongrel
>>722042951Honestly my issue with Phoenix Point were some of the more questionable design decisions like having most equipment be sidegrades rather than upgrades. A key aspect to X-Com is that you're in a perpetual arms race with the enemy. Enemies don't just stop rolling out deadlier troops and equipment just because you're taking a break from researching better equipment. You can't neglect research and manufacturing newer and better equipment or you'll quickly find yourself outgunned and outmatched by enemy forces. It's part of what makes X-Com intense. The way establishing new bases was based purely on luck and RNG was really fucking retarded as well. They should have stuck to doing it the X-Com way of selecting where you want to establish new bases instead of basically just having building new bases effectively be random events in random spots on the global map.Also the devs' implementation of mod support felt like a fucking slap to the face. When they announced mod support I expected modding tools. Instead we got god damn ingame sliders for different shit like starting funds. That's not mod support, that's just custom difficulty settings. It's a shame because I really did like the core gameplay, especially the Valkyria Chronicles style free aim system and the fact that getting hit was actually based purely on projectiles hitting you rather than a roll of the dice. It made combat feel more realistic and combined with the free aim system opened up possibilities for more unorthodoxed tactics like aiming your shots so that they'd hit multiple enemies in a single burst or cripple an especially strong enemy. The game just ultimately didn't live up to its full potential and it's a god damn shame the devs basically just called it quits and decided to stop patching and updating it.
>>722045548I do remember the BF4 marketer and the dinosaur push.
>>722025360worseits from their steam page
>>722041883>valkyria invented german tanksthis is literally a stug with an extra (french inspired) MG turret in the back
Concept art of our babe aid/intelligence officer/SIC. Honestly despite the number of blacks, Hindus and mystery meat it seems like everyone in this game will be at least moderately attractive...well, barring a few like that Rewa bitch.
>>722038363play Gears Tacticsits fun>>722039075replayed recently some XCom enemy within and its really boring slog where you just want pull one pod at the time and nuke it
>releases 4 months from now (probably)I'll be interested when the release is a bit closer.
Am I making a mistake by giving my troops armor? It seems like you are so hilariously outnumbered the only thing that matters is "how many guns do you have", spending a single point on armor when you can have another gun shooting may be a waste.
>>722040059she is annoying cunt tho, the typical girl boss
>>722048224Dear God no.
>>722048729Armor is absolutely the difference between your men getting chewed to pieces and suppressed, and shrugging off a barrage of fire. Losing units and taking actual damage causes you to suffer extra suppression. The big thing you want is to work around your special weapons. Since they deal lots of suppression with only one gun. Your primary is absolutely best for closing and destroying the enemy rather than suppressing them.
>>722042112last mission you just need to endure 10 turnsyou don't need to kill any enemy, just keep them outside capture zonei beat it two times, one with 2 dead squaddies(inly losses in run), 2nd time with 0 losses
>>722022910Ewwwww
>>722043957in case of BB they took notes from most of OP community builds and they either nerfed them, build specific counter enemy or make enemy around itit make BB pain to play, they gonna do it with menace, so I don't bother giving feedbackt. very early BB adopter
>>722046069>why if psy op e-thot but in combat
>>722047698>>All the women are hot
>>722048552they plan only 26 chars for EA thoyou choose 4 starting from the pool of 7 and are expected to run campaign with like 10 teams maxso the diversity will be low
>>722048729you should have two types teams>weapon squad teamSQ, 2 troopers, no armor, cheapest rifles and special weapon like machine gun or sniper rifle, ammo bag support team, that is variation of weapon team but with the skill>like above but with drone and support skill(like Pike marking), maybe some special weaponthat is like 50-70 points, cheap keep at distance, never expected to be shot at>riflemen teamarmored and having best rifles>mobile inf teamno armor and jumping out from APC shooting 2 times and hiding in
>>722049497would
Is there a cheat for infinite ammo? Or infinite uses of the ammo pack?
>>722049549Unless the guys not in the demo have some kind of really cracked abilities, it's gonna be hard picking anyone but Darby and Lim for me. I could maybe drop Pike for another infantry leader, but the support tools he gets early on are really nice. The two vic commanders are probably more of a toss up though.
>>722050261I'm planning on taking Pike, Lim, Carda (The Martian Bitch) and the old man for my first couple runs prob. The civilized coming to liberate the Wayback.
>>722050261big nigga skillsdon't have old man or e-thotbut yeah I agree, sniper chick is too useful and Lim have very nice mobility kit, he really work good with vehiclesalso perks are predesigned and static so its the same every run very limited starting options>want early vehicle? pajeetthen you take Lim, Derby and Pike and you are done
>>722050232yes, ALT+F4>>722050510do you know if old man is maybe vehicle pilot? that would help a lot
>>722050573He's a vehicle pilot, it's confirmed in one of the trailers I think. Either way, all of the other starting SLs are known definitively except for him, he practically has to be a pilot..
>>722050679if so that is nice>two vehicles + Lim
>>722050516Grenadier looks okay, point fire is really good. Unique can probably be amazing for running around with a RL for tank hunting but worthless for MG suppression. He seems like a solid B tier starter.
>>722050749Probably not as good as you think, unless you start with super easy access to a laser weapon the ballistic guns on vehicles just gas out too quick in my experience, plus the massive supply cost of running two of them at a time.
al you need is Lim and taxi
>>722050749Yeah remember that we'll probably start the real game with significantly less equipment than the demo. Think the devs had said that the equipment we have is roughly equivalent to stuff acquired after 10+ operations.
>the kickass visor armour from all the trailers and promotional footage has no visor ingamefuck this gay fucking shit
>>722051154We don't have the visor armor yet. That's the tier 2 version of the armor.
>>722042112I thought the game was pretty easy, ran through the campaign twice.First time>black queen sniper>Heavy armored soldier dude runs in and crouches with a MG>enemies shoot him, but he's fine since armor maxing is OP>everyone else moves up and shoots>my vehicle is portable rocket launcher for other vehiclesSecond campaign>mobile infantry>vehicle has rocket launcher>chink hops out to kill infantry and then gets back in>you don't even need any other characters this shit is so strong
>>722051190>>722051154It's actually the Marine version of the T4 armor we have in the demo. It is in game.
I can't believe how boring they made the first mission. You have to clear out pockets of pirates that barely make any resistance on a huge ass map while moving at a snail pace. Have they not played this themselves
>>722022910>black sleevesmore like black cocksleeves hahaha
>>722052376its randomized, you suppose to run fast and sweep them
>>722048586>where you just want pull one pod at the time and nuke itXCOM 2 had a few mechanics that made this less ass but the whole enemy spawning mechanics really just need to not revolve around pod reveals, and the whole WOTC thing totally took away all of the difficulty by introducing totally OP new classes and multiclassing.
campaign over right here.defense missions aint no joke
>>722049497This thing devs do where they make female soldiers more 'realistic' by turning them butch, giving them scars, masculine frames is actually much worse than anime bullshit like GFL or Nikke or whatever, because one of them is expecting to be taken seriously.Yeah dude, she's wearing bandages, I totally believe that she is now capable of physically overpowering a man twice her size.
>>722053376she's not overpowering shit. she's a vehicle nerd
>>722053440I'm talking about the general trend, not the particulars of that specific character.
>>722053530oh ok
>>722024023Sold.
>>722022910She will be fed to the permadeath engine so the games adaptive difficulty will be sated for a time
>>722028501Sounds extremely tedious
Played the first three missions and realized I'm too fucking stupid for tactics games blindI'll wait till people smarter than me can tell me who's best at what and what to promote people toIt's fun though. I'm probably gonna buy it
>>722034968>starts out as a videogame channel>does joe rogan & talks about tribal cultures still performing human sacrifice and holocaust on their children>collabs with filthy frankUnfair to associate michael with this game
>>722053740>he thinks BB devs will make the game take it easy on you for having troops die
Finally beat the final mission, it seems like you basically need to ignore common sense and not try to fortify choke points at the base perimeter, but instead keep all your troops right in the center of the map since you simply cannot move fast enough to react to 4 trucks crashing through a fence and deploying chainguns on the opposite side of the capture zone and taking 5 turn to dislodge, (and while you go to deal with this 5 more squads just walk in the front door you left open)Landmines would be nice.
>>722054530Why not? That's how it worked in Battle BrothersStart doing well and you miss 95% to hit constantly and enemies headshot your bros left and rightGot over 1000 hours in the game at this point I know what I'm talking about
>>722053740nah homie, this game is built on the back of a death spiral. Every casualty you take makes the game exponentially harder.>>722054678They're in the game, I got them randomly from an EOD mission. But they seem like they'd suck for defense missions since you need to deploy the unit and then plant the landmines manually for each tile.
>>722054720you have limited squad leaders, you start with 4 and by end end of campaign you maybe will 12not easy way to replace losses
>>722054678I defended base successfully 2 times when manning towers, minimal to no losses
>>722054720No it's not. in BB enemies scaled to your best brother across the campaigns lifetime and it never went back down again.if you lost a bunch you'd be fucked.
>>722054975Right I forgot to add>Keep all niggas in the center (except a Sniper and some other long range guy in a tower)since a sniper can cover almost the entire capture zone.I had an Autocannon in a second tower, it seemed gimmicky but passable as an extra big sniper rifle.
>>722055278that is not exactly trueBB has two types of scaling>time based when units get some extra stats or skill or whatever>strength scaling when it scaled to general strength of your company and it could fall back if you get wiped, it took some time tho
>>722022280I was hype as fuck until I realized it was the Battle Brothers dev. That RNG they made is absolute bullshit and I will not put up with it again.
>>722056774>RNGIt's not rigged.
>>722056774skill issue
Its too woke for me
>>722056774Your loss, the core concept does a decent job mitigating RNG bullshit since it's a bunch of individual models in a squad instead of one guy getting zapped by bad luck.
Biggest flaw the game has is the total lack of customizable dudesI'm not even one of those faggots complaining about a black person in a video game. I just want to do my normal xcom thing of making all my dudes heavily armored and indistinguishable from one another as new recruits, and slowly becoming more identifiable as they rank up (I want cool hats and sunglasses and shit)
>>722056774The reason its bullshit is because of the lack of RNG. Battle Brothers is a puzzle game. There is one solution to every enemy encounter. If you use that solution, it goes smoothly. If you try to use your own loadouts, you can expect to take crippling losses.
>>722057850>If you try to use your own loadoutsBut everything in BB is pretty useful. You can even make daggerists or "med armor" bros.
>>722022280it's woke bro
>>722041883This but unironically. Valkyria is all style, no substance, there isn't a GOOD game in the franchise. Copy the vibes, but make an actual fucking strategy game on top of it.
>>722022280Demo was pretty fun. I got raped on my first run but finished the mini campaign the second time. I don't like when a random artillery truck just skullfucks all your squads while you're still trying to walk to the mission across no mans land and things can quickly spiral out of control of too many of your retards get pinned down at the same time but I'm interested in how the metagame stuff will work
>>722057219this>but JAeven JA2+ have IMP merc and JA had like 3x more mercs
>>722022280How about you introduce the game so we know what the fuck you're rambling about?
>>722057850This, hero shooters are fucking trash. Let my units be my own instead of literally the same faces and person every single campaign. I loved BB, it's sad they took such a different direction.
>assaulting a base with towers overlooking my approach>no enemies in sight>finish moving everyone so it's all pirates now>pirate squad moves through the one (1) fog of war obscured tile into the guard tower I had dudes stacked on for next turn and instantly wipes out my AT squad entirely in one salvo.
>Heavy armor with jetpack attached dropsMy fucking dickWhere the fuck are the shotguns
>2 trucks zoom in from out of fog of war on turn 2 of base defense>Disgorge 2 Chaingun teams>Suppresses and pins half my squads>Next turn>2 more trucks slam right into the center of the base>2 more squads dismount and suppress then pin my other 2 squads who haven't even had time to move to support the first two pinned>At least I still have my tonk>Two laser trucks drive in next turn, (none of my units have been able to move at all), and instantly kill the APC>Mission failed, turn 4Nice game. Good thing I didn't have to pay for it.
>>722037859the publisher is known for it
UI is SHITThey should add a raven hair + blue eye cutieThey also need to add a nice cute redheadAnd a brunette + golden eyes
pretty good. i like that you can make a squad of lots of people with a good primary then have a squad with very few and a support weapon (since the supports don't scale with bodies)concealment mechanic could be more clearfor some reason people not assigned to the mission with squad members eats up your resource allocation which is bizarre
>>722060454do the extra squad members not pick up the specialists weapon when if they go down?I swear I had a MG die in a squad and could still use it the next turn.
concealment is fucking useless dogshit>3 person sniper team with the nigger bitch>by they are spotted at the same time they spot a large team of pirate since they all have the same spotting range>3 person sniper team gets fucking annihilated on the very next turn
>>722060652I think you need some base concealment to make use from +50%. You need some camo or stealth armour. Or it give some concealment?
>>722060587they do i mean you're only adding one specialist weapon, if you have a squad of 8 with an MG it's the same MG damage as a squad of 3
>>722060736cover gives concealment but it doesn't show you how much on the UI before you move there from what i can tell so it's not really something you can play aroundalso it says grass and trees give more concealment but hte demo planet is a bare ass desert so not ideal
ok ui is unintuitive because im retarded. this is my suggestion, have something in the middle that gives me all the important things i need to know, and then when i press ALT it shows the extended tooltip drawn from the in-game wiki
>>722022910whoa! thanks for the warning anon i was almost tricked into downloading this
>>722037747Because ultimately those studios are the actual racists. Concept artists will submit a design of a black chick who looks perfectly normal or even cute and then some cock huffing executive, faggot from the publisher, or some chode smoking diversity consultant will be like "yeah that's alright and all but we don't feel like she represents black people enough. Make her lips bigger, much bigger, like fish lips. While you're at it make her nose look really wide and fat and give her huge nostrils. Also her hair is too long and straight. You gotta make it more short and nappy, like she shaved her head and glued wads of black cotton to the top of her head. While you're at it, make her fat. All those darkies are fat. There we go, that's black representation right there! That's exactly what I think of every time I think of a black girl and since I've got a certificate in diversity consultation there's absolutely no way that deep down I'm racist!"
>>722049497did he fucking stutter
>>722022910ThisFuck devs
>>722022280>call a strafing run on a squad standing on top of a guard tower with no overhead cover>it does almost no damage whatsoeververy cool
i did the assassinate mission with just 2 full squads with suppressed rifles and it was good, concealment seems to break the enemy ai completely
>>722061416I don't think you did that at all since there's only 1 suppressed rifle.
>have no idea what i'm doing>get my squad killed>lose>get anxious trying againi dont want to see my men being hurti am not made to be a leader.
>round 7 of settlement defense, barely managed to hold off the enemy>Literally every single enemy soldier and vehicle just rushes the point, there is nothing I could do to stop them even if I had an extra 5 turns>go from about to win to instantly losevery cool. Between these absurdly retarded defense missions and the hostage rescue missions that literally send the entire population of India worth of pirates I think I've seen enough of this demo.
>>722061547you get loot after you finish missions
why is the entire map a desolate wasteland with zero cover
>>722061257no, he is just retarded just like you
So did these fucks playtest this shit at all? How exactly are you supposed to do settlement defense missions? At least the last mission has towers.
>>722061820defense in depth is the only way I've won one without enourmous casualties but you're entirly dependent on good cover spawn RNG and the pirates spawning and sticking to one avenue of attack.
Why even bother showing enemy locations on mission start if they're just going to spawn 4 new squads per turn?
>>722024585xcom from temu vibes
Looks and feels and plays like an early build of alpha version, not a demo. Oh it's bad, it's so fucking bad.
1. Very ugly2. Too slow3. Everything takes forever4. Too long to 'setup'.5. Anime voiceacting and the writing lolAnd most important one:6. The game feels very barebones in tactical depth, there's just not that much to do with the squads, you move or you fire. With XCOM and so you can setup overwatches, ambushes, hunker downm climb up and whatever, in here we got move and shoot. There is no verticality in this at all. Fucking lame.
its kinda boring and very barebones for a tbt gamethe movement system feels way to fucking slow and why cant you interact with anything in the map and cover is fucking useless if every unit can just fire over it, stupid as fuckalso the game is way too fucking easy, you have to force yourself to not use the vehicle or less squads if you want a challenge
I knew they were going to fuck it up. Goddamn there goes the last game I had on my wishlist this year.
>>722061895"defense in depth" doesn't really work when the enemy just slams 5 trucks full of enemies into the base in a single turn and immediately suppresses half your squads. It wouldn't be so bad if you didn't have such an abysmally small force for the number of enemies you're expected to fight, but as it is now each squad is basically expected to fight 4 to 5 enemy squads each or be overrun and all it takes is one enemy squad getting a Suppress off for the whole thing to fall apart.
>>722062387just buy explosive charges and mine chokepoints
>>722062387that's why I said you need to get lucky with cover and enemy spawns so you can get those adjacency suppresses with MMG's and up.It feels like there is a scenario in which the systems all come together and work but the game itself is actively fighting against that happening.
>>722022910She cute tho...
i beat the defense mission second try but i had a decent layout for the base i guess (two big hangars blocking a lot of stuff)put the black bitch in a tower with a sniperviking guy had a 9 range rifle i got from mission lootused the apc with an lmgthere were a few in the zone on turn 10 but i wasn't even halfway on the bar to losing
>>722062549No?
>>722062445I tried this and it works, you can blow up a few squads in one go, but the issue is not the first few turns. It's that by the time you reach turn 7 the enemy force has more than doubled, and only gets worse from there. Enemy reinforcement spam isn't so bad on it's own, but there is simply no way to reliably finish off pinned groups without running out of ammo for whatever you use in 2 turns. I'm almost considering trying the buggy with the Run Over skill but the one time I used the car it barely feels faster than the APC.
>>722052825>more like black cocksleeves hahaha
>>722022910Cant wait for Rule34...
>>722062594They seem to either be a stomp in your favor because there is only two or three ways in or an absolute nigger of a match where the enemy simply goes prone in one tiny corner of the point and you literally cannot walk over to him to shoot him in less than 4 turns.
about to boot up the demo, what am i in for??
>>722062943a build of the game the devs themselves have said is only loosely indicative of the game now.most obvious thing is that the demo has mission rewards and that's it but last month the devs said they were swapping to an actual loot system similar to BB where units drop their actual kit with a higher chance of dropping the less violently they died e.g explosive will probably break everything, sniper headshot has a better chance of getting the gear.
>>722063049dude im lost this game is complicated, is battle brothers this complicated too
>>722063276the demo frontloads everything unlike BB with eases you into it.
setting all squads active with only 4 members as the default is the biggest bait and the dev is retarded because it's going to make people not play his game
>final mission to assault pirate stronghold>commandos fucking spam stun grenades>they are just chain stunning me constantly>only friendly squads left>get stunned by 5 commando squads>get suppressed>since im stunned/suppressed it just skips my turn>on the enemy turn they keep shooting, keeping me suppressed>can do literally fucking nothing>just have to watch the enemy constantly fire at me for 15 rounds until I finally die>every once in a while I have the option to crawl 2 tiles>crawl away>enemy just follows me and keeps suppressing me so I still cant do shitnice dogshit game
welp, here's hoping mars tactics won't be this shitty
>>722022910>Hot chocolate womanWE'RE SO BACK BABY!!!
>>722063535Suppression being so cornerstone to everything and bullshit uninteractive skip your active turn feels fucking bad. I wish we had some kind of breakthrough from stun and alpha everything as design paradigm for every tactics videogame already.
>>722063659check the mech game, its essentially a Front Mission in not vietnamIt have demo and its rather good
>>722063049>a build of the game the devs themselves have said is only loosely indicative of the game now.oh yeah suuuuuuure
>>722063535>just have to watch the enemy constantly fire at me for 15 roundsthis is why i grew to hate Battletechi don't care how well thought out your tactics game is (Battletech wasn't), if you expect me to spend 60% of a battle watching my squads get shot at in slow motion i'm not fucking interested
>>722022910>the women are attractive>even the black woman>the men aren't twinksFuck yeah, I will now BUY your game. As if the Astartes animator working on it wasn't enough to grab me.
>>722064110are the mechs very cool?
Any way to get mars tactics demo outside of d*scord?
>>722064440Who gives a shit about animations in completely flat turn based game with no reactivity?
>>722064707I do
>>722064707I do, you humorless miserable bastard.
>>722064707Indians should be range banned, seriously
>>722064707This nigger never watch and re watched sc2 animations for hours....sad!
>>722064440The astartes guy only worked on the trailer. not the actual game.
>>722064479ye>>722064412you can speed up both your moves and enemy>>722064440they sound bad tho
>>722064896I'm aware, that still doesn't detract from how cool it is.>>722064919>they sound bad thoAw man. Well it's an indie, I guess it's not surprising that the VA's aren't top tier.
>>722064975its not quality, its attitudeyou have two women in the demoone is rich boss woman, other is bloodthirsty pajeeta, both are cunts and very cringy
>>722064975Don't take his word for it, some of the VAs are quite good. Just not the rich bitch or the Indian.
>>722064740>>722064810You won't even see them for fuck's sake, this is no centerpiece focused skirmish, it is a tile puzzle with your dudes and their dudes being a mechanically a fucking square.
>>722065104I'm still gonna check out the demo, because it costs exactly zero dollars
>>722065124I have played far more primitive games, sonny, and had the time of my fucking life doing it. Becoming jaded and cynical is a weak man's problem.
>>722065124You're an ignorant retard LMAO. No clue what he was even referencing in the first place. ESLs should suicide.
>>722064919battletech is like wading through hip deep molasses even at max speed, not to mention all the camera transitions and text fade effects and pauses between actions that all take an eternityprovided we're talking about battletechBB did a pretty good job of not wasting your time like that, it only gets frustrating in endgame tier goblin forts and suchhaven't had a chance to try Menace yet, i'm at work
>>722022280>What if Pheonix Point but from a literal WHO? Who the FUCK cares!?
>Turn-based tactic sloppa but sci fi humans fighting other sci fi humans but with WWII looking tanks*SIGH* you scumbags will slurp up ANYTHING.
my objective opinion is in, game is fucking based
>>722065378It is nothing like Phoenix Point.t. Phoenix Point Pro™
>*SIGH*Upvoted.
>>722065536Go back
>>722065810Go back where? To /b/? I don't feel like jerking off to lolicon atm thank you very much.
>>722065536>*SIGH*ERP is a bannable offense, DESU~
>>722065667>>722065810Samefag
>Me when an enemy squad entered the unoccupied tower next to mine in the final defense mission
>>722065924Negative you're just that much of a faggot..
>>722065924(you) got me>>722065873
A second negress ripped from the game files.
>>722067207damnthey just can't do wrongjeeta aside
>tripod autocannonEZ game
>>722067207post morealso how it was done?
>>722022280Looks fine except for the women and niggers, I'm not playing a single game where niggers are possible good guys or companions. Women need to be even hotter with less manjaw and if possible none of them girlbosses. It's time for over correction.Inb4 trannies, niggerlovers and rabbis seethe at this like usual.
Fem version of that one guy from the Mummy. Another SL I think?
>>722067392Nigger nigger you guys are like broken records..
Beaner pilot.
>>722067397Halal
>>722067438So true, now send it to devs please.
>>722067543No thanks, you can just play other games : )
>>722067613>marketer comes to shill their new/upcoming game>niggers>ugly masculine women>kikes>white man bad>reddit writing>cringe voice acting>barest of mechanics from the given genre>almost always unoptimized and buggy>anons shit on the game for the above reasons>shill goes "CUTE CUTE CUTE, YASS QUEENN SLAYY, ALLA THEISS WHYTEEHYY SNOWFLAKES CANTT HANDLEE ALLL THIISSSS>game sells like shit and is forgotten within a week of release>repeat
>>722037859>wow why do people want to talk about this game that just now released a demo on steam
>>722068303Damn that's a lot of words no one is going to read. When do you plan on suicide? Have you chosen your method yet?
>>722068303Please stop offending multi billion euro entity
>>722028707It doesn't smash you so hard but it's still a demanding game. I think the learning curve is more reasonable.
I had to restart 3 times before I was able to figure out how to not lose half my dudes. Then I beat 2 missions and ragequit at the last one. Difficulty seems way too overtuned, especially with saving the VIPs where there's like 3 times the enemies compared to your dudes. Probably will be good after two years of polishing like BB, definitely wouldn't buy on release.
>>722070716Pirate stormtroopers are way too armored and it's almost impossible to kill them with regular infantry weapons, that's basically the main problem with enemy spawns. If you didn't bring MGs and a vehicle, you're pretty much fucked in the demo.
>>722068303It's like they don't understand they are peddling their politics to the polar opposite crowd, maybe it's just an attempt at displacing people idk, doesn't seem to be working very well.
>>722022697>>722022910WTF? Can you make your own custom operators like XCom at least?
>all those anons failing their missions>succeed with no reading up my whole campaign first try>realize I can equip grenades only on last missionFeels good to be born to lead
>>722049549Why not just let you make your own? This is fucking retarded!
>>722039995Rare German W
>>722040183You can adjust camera zoom.
How the fuck do I even aim the gigamissile? Those trucks just get out of the zone next turn
>>722041271For me it has the same problem as the average TBT: Levels are too flat. Fucking Xcon'92 had more vertical levels.
>>722071452Oh yeah, and if the 1.0 is like the current build, I ain't spending 30 minutes for 1 fight.
I wish the supply system was better. It’s very punishing. And not in a fun way I just feel like I’m sending unequipped children into a meat grinder next to terminators.
>>722071140Sorry what was that? Because it sounded to me like you were asking for agency in a game, a single player game at that. OVER MY DEAD MARKETER BODY MOTHERFUCKER YOU WILL NEVER HAVE AN OUNCE MORE AGENCY THAN WHAT WE DEEM TO GIVE YOU YOU FUCKING CATTLE, YOULL PLAY THE GAME HOW WE WANT YOU TO PLAY IT OR YOU CAN FUCK RIGHT OFF YOU FACIST HITLER MURDERER!!!
>>722071452I find it best for fucking up squads you've already got pinned but are more spread out than if you'd just normally do the gun run.This just goes back to the whole suppression is king thing again though and I wish there was more to it.
>>722071452Same way you aim the airstrike. Pinned down enemies also lose movement, and you don’t need a direct hit to be useful. The support fire hits enemies with a massive suppression debuff if they’re simply nearby or see another squad take it. I feel like a lot of the complaints would be alleviated if people were giving their squads more machine guns. The light machine gun is a guaranteed suppress unless a squad is pinned down, and it can just annihilate a squad if you catch them in the open, two if you haven’t moved, and it doesn’t even require deploying to use.
>>722071552So the devs are those kinds? I thought they were supposed to be grognards. That would make them the single most pathetic demographic: Woke boomerlibs. Holy shit.
>>722022910but she's hot
>>722071719The LMG is way less useful against commandos and light skin vehicles though.MMGs can reasonably suppress commandos and do decent rear damage to vics but like you said it's gotta be deployed first.HMGs, which I've only got to use for like 10 minutes is a rape beast of a weapon that suppressed everything better than the vehicle does and rapes everything short of those uparmoured trucks.
>>722071864>light skin vehicles
>>722071803nta but whatever they might be, they are bound to do whatever team/group is incessantly pushing for this shit, I also find it particularly jarring in this case because how seemingly "toned down" it is, in an attempt to normalize it. I for one will pirate this shit IF there's some mods that let me fix this shit a bit, whenever that might happen.
>>722072108yeah, if it dies to small arms fire it's a light skin because only the most vantablack niggerlicious of vehicles would deny me, the player, what I want.
>>722071803>So the devs are those kinds?Some anon saying shit does not make them a dev mouthpiece anon...
1. The fact that there's a roster of existing commanders instead of Your Dudes™ massively subtracts points from the game for me. Yes, you can rename redshirts, but who really cares about them.2. The fact that it seems much more like a Roguelite slop (at least mission-wise) instead of open-world sandbox is concerning. There was that game called Darkest Dungeon that tried to pull this shit with its sequel, and it was extremely bad.3. Fights last forever and I could've played like 3 huge ass fights in BB in the time one mission of Menace is finished. I also don't understand why they insist of saturating the map with the enemy, they outnumber player forces x2 or x3.4. Art style is extremely generic.I don't have high hopes for the game but will probably pirate it after a few patches.
>>722071864The LMG still suppresses commandos but if you just give the squad an actual rifle to deal with lightly armored dudes they can just deal with both. Non issue tee bee h.
>>722072613>1. The fact that there's a roster of existing commanders instead of Your Dudes™ massively subtracts points from the game for me. Yes, you can rename redshirts, but who really cares about them.Why the fuck did they do this? >You WILL play the diversity squad!Jesus Christ.
>>722072809They will likely release a character creator DLC or somesuch because there seems to be a framework in place for it (like some barks refer to other characters by their profession for example). I don't see creators of Battle Brothers dropping character customization altogether, it's one of the coolest things in their first game. I'd love to disable the pajeet voice altogether however.
>>722034731blacks and women in traditionally white male roles is woke. woke has been a thing since the french revolution, just under many different names.
>>722072613It's like they saw how hard Chimera Squad failed and wanted to copy that.
>>722072108i think that's really what they call them
>>722072984>Well, your actual characters are the squad leaders and pilots, who are named characters with their own backgrounds, interests and personalities -- so I'd say you'll have a good share of personal narratives :)>Today's community talk on Discord confirmed that there won't be any player generated units. The devs toyed with it very early, then abandoned the idea.Absolute fucking garbage. Fuck these retarded faggot devs. BB was a fluke, or they've been compromised. Either way they're fucking losers. This shit flops. Dumb fucks.
>>722073374>Chimera SquadWhy did you remind me, anon? I managed to forget it existed.
>>722067207thats touched up sloppa
>>722073446Fuck you, you got me without even saying it
>>722073446>tease TFTD>got chimera squad then fucking marvel card xcom insteadWhat did we do to deserve this?
>>722073068she doesn't annoy me the way the pajeeta does is what i'm saying>>722073446the finishing chapterthe crown jewel, the cherry on topthe last X-Com game ever to be made
I'm confused. Do (You) have a character in this game like in X-Com?
>>722073878You're some nameless faceless commander on the spaceship directing the troops.
>>722073960And the waifus talk to (Me)?
>>722074062they talk at you
>>722074086Thanks. Picked up.
>>722074183the fuck you mean picked up?
Look at all these replies defending this shit>shes so hot>ebony yummy yummy>chocolate sex>spicy curry pussyconvinced that this is just a corporate chatbot that some intern runs in his spare time. its the same in every single thread of these types of games.
>>722074259I like waifus...
AWOOOOOOGA BLACK SNIPER QWEEN! *PANT PANT PANT*
>>722074338get a grip retard you're as bad as furries who play games just because it has a furry character in it or the same with trannies
>>722074338the game isn't even out yet.
>>722074412I play all games with necromancer characters. Don't (You) me.
>anons picking up game with dogshit gameplay because it has waifus in it:D>anons picking up game with good gameplay because it has waifus in it (brown)D:Fuck off faggots
>>722074476do you jerk off to necromancers?
>>722074320i meanit's disappointing considering BB was so unabashed about only men being soldiers and low fantasy germany being all whitebut it doesn't tick me off the way San Francisco AAA gayjew designs do so i'm reserving judgment
>>722074614You have some pics for me?
>>722034731>black>cuteYou can't have both, kike.
>>722074614Obviously
>>722074824did you play Almraiven (the NWN mod)?
>>722049121>Got to turn 10>no enemies entered the zone>mission failedGame is a lot of fun though
>>722074893NahI learned not to spend my time playing RPG mods, when there is more than enough RPGs to go around.75% end up being just a way to vent their fetish at people
>>722074893NtA but I played all necromancy-themed modules for NWN period, I'm that autistic. Shame about the third one in the series never happening.
>>722074652Fair stance, I'm just tired of seeing this situation repeating.
>>722065317>BB did a pretty good job of not wasting your time like thatiirc BB was pretty "snappy" with it, and what I mean by snappy is that when you want to do something and click on it, the thing happens almost instantly with no silly wind-up animations or fancy shit that often plagues 3D-games
Someone give me the QRD>Was originally supposed to be "Coming soon to Early Access">Has a demo now>Got pushed back>Says it's out in 4 months but doesn't say anything about Early Access anymoreFull game in 4 months?
>>722075558BB gave me PTSD for certain sound ques>goblin ballista firing>berserker laugh>that gurgling sound when your bro gets fucking eviscerated by some lucky crit in the head
>>722075694the arbalest sound makes me wince
>>722075184i don't have a thing for necromancy but i really, really liked Almraivenso different from most modules
>>722075674you people are so fucking stupid it's comical sometimes
>>722073068screw you, I want whole outfit of black sistas lead by Pike the ''tard wrangler'', bonus points if you can put confederate flag on them all
>>722073430they always were compromisedone of the brothers worked for gov before they started with BB
>>722073878You are teh MAJOR
>>722022910Can't you edit their appearances? I wasn't interested in battle brothers but scifi mercs would be fun.
>>722075558BB has long time ass enemy movements unless you used some speed hack
>>722075926I'm stupid cause I didn't see that image? I was just going by what was on Steam. Last time around, it said "Coming to Early Access"Anyways, thanks. Looks like I still have many years to wait before I play this myself. Looks good, though.
>>722076412compared to which other turn based tactics game?
>>722076534all of them(that is what i wanted to answer at first), probably not the modern one with cinematics thonip games too are slow unless emulated and on extra speedwell, I guess all of them are fucking slow, unless with speed hack
>>722072613>There was that game called Darkest Dungeon that tried to pull this shit with its sequel, and it was extremely bad.Incorrect. Darkest Dungeon 2 is better than 1 and you got filtered. Darkest Dungeon 1 is mobile game tier.
Game's pretty fun overall, but the roguelite shit is pretty disappointing since that's literally not at all what I want and nowhere is the game advertised as being one.The final defense mission seems pretty fucked, too. The area you need to defend is fucking massive for how slow movement is in this game.
>>722077242the strategic layer isnt in, this game wont be a roguelike at all, the loot system in the demo is also not the real one
>>722022280>woke as fuck>god awful movement>retarded UI design>No tooltips>Limited ammo for no reason>Convoluted for no reason when XCOM had perfected the genre
>Final mission>AI allies decide to randomly throw a smoke in the middle of the empty capture point>Enemy truck rushes into the smoke and vomits out it's load>Cant shoot them now even though they sit on a completely empty point >Have to choose between walking into the empty middle and get shot to pieces from the outside or waiting and get shot in the ass from behind Thanks?Also the truck rushes suck because you cant reasonably kill them before they unload and the best tactic is to just spam more anti-infantry since anti-vehicle doesnt kill enough of them fast enough
>>722077242>rogueliteI think its gonna be save scum type of games, with limited chars its gonna lack ability to replace teams
>>722022280I am disappointed. Even XCOM UFO defense back in 1994 did line of sight properly. In 2025 menace, LoS is a joke. Both you and the enemy can fire through anything even though common sense dictates that this shouldn't be allowed.
>>722037747Because the people in charge don't actually give a fuck about black women or lets be honest black people at all and marketing says people only want "safe looking black women" which boils down to being generically black with as inoffensive a personality type as possible because their afraid if they put a black chick whos hot in it that it will turn off some demographic and they will lose moeny.
>>722077369>Limited ammo for no reason??? are you retarded nigga ?
>>722077303Is that confirmed by the devs? I want to believe the roguelite shit was just something they threw together for the demo, but preset characters only + permadeath makes me think this is what the game is going to be, since that model wouldn't work in a long campaign but works just fine for a roguelite.
>>722077849>He doesn't knowPlay the game.
>>722078318I have played it. you're just plain stupid for not intuiting the reason behind limited ammo.
>>722078449I don't give a shit.I don't want limited ammo, it's retarded, and so are you if you want it.
>>722077303>the loot system in the demo is also not the real oneI want it to be like battle brother's loot system or simply like XCOM UFO defense's.
>>722078525Go play nu-xcom, retard. That should be more your speed.
>Would you like to shoot the enemy?Oh boy I'd love t-->Best I can do is suppression and waste your ammoOh, okay, I'll just use grenades or rocke-->Kill a single dude or two dudes rather than decimate the whole unit...Okay.Why is it only the vehicle is worth a fuck?
>>722077242just reload
>>722076412True, but the things you do are snappy
>>722078797>grab pike, give him perk that amrk up enemy +30 accuracy on target>shoot at enemy with battle rifles>>722078875well, unless its raining>zombie moaning in the rain
>Weapons and Abilities are multiples of 20>Movement is 18, 27This makes me mad. Demo was extremely fun though. I really enjoy how brutal the violence is.
>>722078525Peabrained retard LMAO
Well it's no JA2 but it's ok
Does it have base building and research like XCOM?
>>722049497well, she WAS hot
>>722079153yes but it's not in the demo
>>722077369XCOM PERFECTED THE GENRE?!?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FUCK you guys are such casuals holy shit. Nu-Com practically destroyed the TBT genre with everything you're complaining about, don't you know?
>>722079201burning hot>>722079153your base is your space ship, you upgrade it with stuff
Seems alright, hope the full game has more campaign mechanics like base building and management. I like when these kinds of game actually use vehicles and they have presence.
>>722077242It's just that way in the demo you mouth breathing idiot. Christ.
I don't know if I want the ability to shoot around corners or not.On the one hand it kinda makes sense since firing is a group action and corner firing would be like 2-3 guys tops and I don't want the AI getting any more bullshit gotchas.On the other hand though corners are really good defensive spots. maybe if you got LoS but couldn't bring the entire squad to bear it'd be better.
>>722078082Retard
>>722036441real battlefield experience
Why doesn't the sniper rifle instantly pin down enemies?
>>722077419>Final Mission>AI allies spend their turns getting in the APC and then getting outDo they boost my vehicle's stats or something? Knock it off.
>>722079516because it 9/10 times if you're at the right range instantly kills an enemy prioritizing specialists first.
>>722079516Because it already instagibs one guy and suppresses for 40 ap. If you give her an ammo box you get like 15 shots too. I put her in a tower for the final defense mission and she held off the entire south side by herself.
>>722079320Straight up shooting through solid buildings is what annoys me. You can even shoot through several and suppress just fine.
>>722077746>>722079880What is this shit ? How could this not be anything but intentional ? Did it slip through ? Did none of the playtesters give them this feedback?
>>722053440she couldn't open the door on an MRAP
How long before someone mods the demo so it just repeats and I can actually try out the rewards I get?
>>722049497I wish they had maimed her even bad and placed her in a dreadnaught.
>>722079990My guess is that all the obstacles in the demo were given same stats. There are obstacles where it makes sense that you can shoot through them, like solar panels and tent barracks.Let's hope the solid ones will be solid in the full game.
I just wish there is XCOM but real time instead of turn baseI just cant into turn base shits
>>722080741Aliens Dark Descent is exactly what you're looking for.
>>722080806Heard good things about it, mostly that the maps are excellently put together, on my list of shit to play.
How can Jagged Alliance 2 + 1.13 mod STILL be the best in genre
>>722081125>JA best in anything when OpenXcom existslol. lmao even.
Are there infantry laser weapons? I dont like the limited ammo and want laser rifles like how the APC has a laser
>>722081214JA2+1.13 does the tactical squad-based thing far better than any XCOM, has more depth and options.And personally I prefer the more grounded theme.
What roles are the squads supposed to fill? Like, Darby is obviously your sniper, Jean anti-vehicle (could probably go with the heavy LMG otherwise), but what are Pike/Greifinger meant to do?
>>722082072>PikeVersitiity/Support, can get talents too support others like standing next to them gives them a buff or selecting an enemy squad andyour guys get accuracy bonus vs it>GreifingerCQC
>>722082072Pike on paper works as a heavy armour up the guts guy since he never flees so he can just hunker down and get shot at instead of everyone else eventually getting up to run and getting shot.Greifinger has his unique which encourages SMG shenanigans but I can't figure out how concealment for his other big dmg boost.
>>722080806>>722081052Seconded. One of the best games I've played in years
>>722080741try Gears Tactics, its turn based but its also much more fluid and dynamic than xcoms
>>722022910she hot tho. zamn.
>>722082072Pike is support, get him drone, MG and his Mark up perkGinger is quite versalite but he is kind of brawler
>>722022910>qt3.14>black sleevescan't make this shit up
>>722079990because the games movement system is abysmalif it had actual los mechanics you would need an hour + to complete a mission because you can only move 4 fucking tiles without doing anything else
>>722024662Is that supposed to be a bad thing? XBLA games were fucking great. Pure gameplay.
get owned by enemy rocket vehiclelike they busted my ass from the distance and nothing I could do
>>722083601your smoke grenades, sister?
>>722083601Same here, pin half my guys while others are tied up fighting enemy squads
>>722022910she's fuckable
the rocket costing 80 to fire is pretty annoying when your need to rush shit like the rocket salvo trucks and regular ones like keeping their distance
>>722083601Use your own vehicle to go after it. The deployment screen shows you enemy types and locations so you can usually see where the vehicles are going to be before you start. Rocket buggies also can't do shit against an APC barreling down on them with a laser cannon.
>>722080806This. Gameplay aside, it nails Aliens' atmosphere and general feel perfectly, same sort of way Alien Isolation nailed Alien.
>>722049549Betting there will be a mod released that will allow you to get all the characters.
>>722050573Cocky Mark Hamill?
>>722022910Not at all, woke =/= black peopleIt's forced diversity if you have blacks in a exclussively European setting, like you had in KCD2 or fantasy games based on a European setting (such as Shadow of War Tolkien's Middle Earth was mostly whites and some Eastern Arab-like people) or trying to present a European country as diverse or showing ugly minorities in your face. This is fine, it's random mercs in a universal pmc group from random countries fighting on a fictional planet. The characters are not ugly or faggy. The black and jeet women look normal, not some fat slobs with weird bug eyes or zoomed haircut.There is no DEI agenda, it's just like Jagged Alliance.
Mission lady just said something like "go queen... haha, just making you cringe"Menacesisters, anons lied about game being progressive...
>>722044982they played with animation speed modhttps://www.nexusmods.com/battlebrothers/mods/542
>>722084893The only thing I don't like is the pirates being goofy, wish they were serious or psychotic
Is there a way to repair the vehicle?Mine was basically living on borrowed time after getting slapped by an RPG team that hid behind a building andd long bombed it across what felt like half the map.
DerAva is not that happyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw8mkUFIQ54
>>722084212didn't help much>>722084620yeah, that what I did, the problem was that it send like 2 salvos and fucked me up where there were like half dozen units going after my flank and some between me and italso do radar even do anything?
>>722022910So is demo just the 5 characters or can you get random ones with restarts?
>>722084893>typing all this to people who have never even heard the word nuance and wouldn't understand it anyway
>>722085145not in the mission unless you get event or item
>>7220853136 chars nothing random other than operation(3 randomized missions with random drops)
>>722022280>>722022910abysmal character designlooks like it's just angry indians and snarky white girlsShould've just had custom silent characters if this is the best they can come up with
>After 10 rounds you get a penalty for being slow>Characters move like snails in sloth shitI have to rely on the APC to kill 90% of everything I meet. There isn't a single playthrough where it doesn't have 10 times the killcount.
>>722085732rating don't mean shit in demoyou get like 14 points for being slow and 20 for being fast and sending less soldiers
>>722086010>rating don't mean shit in demoYeah, but it's going to be the same in the full game, you silly billy.
>>722086279dunno, they should fix some of this
I'm surprised by how much this plays like battle brothers. Flanking is by far the most important thing and nothing is as deadly as being out of position.
OH BOY I SURE LOVE DEPLOYING WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO SEE THE COVER I'M BEHIND.I SURE DO LOVE REPOSITIONING AND USING UP ACTION POINTS WHILE THE ENEMY OUTFLANKS IN THE FOG BECAUSE A PIXEL BETWEEN IS MEANS MY GUYS LOSE THE ABILITY OF SIGHT.
>>722072613>I also don't understand why they insist of saturating the map with the enemy, they outnumber player forces x2 or x3.Some of what you say, specially this, also happens in BB. Here, fight 20 greenskins (and their pets) on your second, one skull mission.
Menace?More like the devs are a fucking menace. What were they thinking by giving you such limited points to use and gear your guys up with?Especially considering that pirates have all the fucking vehicles in the world.Oh sorry, did you want to kill that vehicle that just came from nowhere and rolled up on your unit? Your vehicle is too far away and the guy with the rocket launcher isn't close enough, get fucked and pray to RNGesus next time!
>>722080806waiting for it to go on gog so i can play it
>>722086467>I'm surprised by how much this plays like battle brothers.this but AI dancing just outside your range
>>722086957Just pirate it if you hate Steam that much
>>722087067kek that too
>>722087109no im pirating it regardlessI just like it when it come in a nice gog installer
What is the real penalty for losing squad members beyond a bad rating? I don't mean the leaders, but the guys in their squad.Took one casualty in the first mission but don't have time to play any more today.
>>722080806Thirded. It's to Aliens what Isolation was to Alien. Excellent game and I'm bummed we never got any DLC.
>>722084893You're wasting your breath. These people are dropped by rage and bitter, jaded cynicism. No words will convince 'em, and there's no use in trying. Just have to hope they come to the natural conclusion of their miserable lives sooner rather than later.
>>722086279I don't think the actual math numberwang and basic behind the shoot shoot move will change much but seeing as how they've already said they're pretty radically changing how post mission loot works I wouldn't be surprised if they change some of the shittier design choices.
I'd rather a shill thread about something interesting than the quadrillionth thread clearly made just to get screenshot and reposted to twitter by some jeet for the muskbux
>>722022910Just buy boughted 5 copies to upset the chudsalso bump
>>722087109Will do
>>722087567without the strategic layer implemented nothing other than temporarily debuffing squadleaders sometimes (i think it was -5% ACC & RES for 5 deployments)
https://files.catbox.moe/b5bkqn.webmhttps://files.catbox.moe/b5bkqn.webm>>722022910She is hot as fuck. I am in.
>>722087567you have limited manpower, it should not be a problem in the demo but you will need to get replaced in the campaign also you can rename each of them and check how many missions they did
>>722087809its not even out, not even ea or preoder
I just wish the game had generated squad leaders so it wouldn't be so hurtful to lose one. It's like when you end up relying on an A-Team in Xcom, but one that can't ever be replaced even if you can bounce back.
>>722087980>entire gimmick is close range>none of the starter weapons are shotguns
>>722088262smg
Recommend me XCOM-likes, besides Xenonauts and Phoenix Point.
>>722088262shotguns suck, use MP5
>>722088389Gear Tactics, its actually fun, try italso
>>722056774I'll never understand why games with a medium amount of difficulty get the highest amount of retarded whining.
>>722022910nooo you can't be racist, you have to have niggers in your eyeballs and ears 24/7 chud
>>7220882628 smgs are godly up closenever tried a shotgun but i dont know if they'll be any better than that
>>722022910kino, I will now play your demo
>>722088470I've been waiting on this FOREVER.
>>722087980I've been using him as a sniper, I didn't realise he was meant to be a close range dude.
>Think I have all angles on a defence mission covered>BOOM FLAMETHROWER UNIT OUTTA NOWHERE SQUAD WIPEDWhat the actual fuck man.
>>722088727I've been giving him the battle rifle and using his as a medium range infantry with the rocket launcher. Seems to do well.
>>722088716
>OK lets see what this it about. >OK Country boy, advance. You got the "good" armor. Can't wait to see it do fucking nothing. >Caught in open ground because I'm a blind idiot and think I can xcom double move. >eats fire from 3 units, crawls into cover while pinned. >Oh him out afteward. >30 off armor, 1 vitality damage, no wounded soldiers at all. Well shit. Rare footage of body armor actually being effective.
>>722088727he have def perk and plenty of def skills but also some offense and utilityI give him smoke and battle rifles
>>722089003I like the badge artwork. Very soulful.
>>722085047Yeah, totally not like a closeted fag saying a bunch of gay stuff, just a joke of course.
Recon in force boys this is the way >Sees enemies first due to concealment and recon ability>Can Engage high value armored threats if need be>Can wipe out low armor squads at range caught in the open >Can decide not to engage and allow other elements to manouver into position. >Even if engaged has armor to survive exchange while other elements flank
>>722089656I made her my sniper lol.
>>722089839Kind of a waste IMO, you lose best Reocn unit because you will set up to snipe one guy. I prefer to move dor recon and fire at targets of opportunity
>>722090290Didn't say that it was good just that that's what I did. I'm going to try your build.
>>722022280A 2 skull difficulty mission takes like 20 minutes. This is way worse than even end game BB fights.
>start game>didn't bring rockets>get absolutely dumpstered by a vehicle
you are looking at EMP team, or what left from it
>>722090729What a blatant lie.
>>722079880Shooting through buildings is an abstraction. The game is supposed to be abstracting 300+ m engagements which is why you can shoot through small buildings and take cover behind solar panels.>>722082341The problem is concealment relies on you having additional items like camo paint or armor variants that give you some base level of concealment.
>>722090729You've never played endgame BB.
>>722022280Music is good.Dialogues for the pirates are extremely cringe. Why the fuck is there a conversation where they bully the anti tank squad leader lol? The fundamentals are good but the game plays like it is in an early alpha stage with cover being very inconsistent, enemies shooting through walls and lame ass cheating AI (they literally charge at your squads the moment they run out of ammo).7/10 interesting with potential which may or may not be realized during early access.
Gonna go off for an hour, someone bake another menace thread at page 10 so we can seethe while the demois fresh
>>722091032Putting your heavy team inside a vehicle is super strong. You can just jump out and get full cover whenever.
>The Burned Woman
>>722091647I like how schizo her voicelines are.
>>722083197Give them more movement points and see it is any better? >>722091224>Shooting through buildings is an abstractionWhat? You can't even see people behind buildings at 300+m range let alone shoot them and hit them.
>>722091686I don't. she never shuts up.
>>722091223>>722091263ok ok I may have exaggerated a bit. I don't remember early game bandit fights in BB taking 20 minutes though unlike what we get in menace.
>>722091647It's kinda, most of the other characters are pretty grounded in design, even the ripped ones from the files, but then there's Rewa. Completely over the top with the full body bandages.
>>722022280I hate the heavy pirate space marines. What weapons counter them?
>>722091647>>The Burned Womanburned in the street food accident
>>722091965Run them over with Rewa
>>722091696My point was the building isn't supposed to be taking up an entire tile, despite what the game shows. That's the abstraction, plus all the differences in elevation and so on. There's just a lot of micro terrain, gaps in buildings, men taking cover in higher positions of the building, etc. etc. that's supposed to be assumed.>>722091965Crowbar, ARC at close range, SMG at close range.
>>722092920>That's the abstraction, plus all the differences in elevation and so on.There's this dissonance between what we see and what we get. They should have made the game look more stylized like say into the breach or something instead of looking realistic and having some mechanics you expect from 3D turn based games but not others is just inconsistent/weird.
>>722088053Is that Andy "race war" warski?
>>722093624they couldn't, the grant they get was for 3d game
>>722093643Yes, he is at Kino Casino now.
>>722093740How time flies....
