Did you know that taunting increases your next attack's damage by 50%? And by using Shakra's rings, taunting costs zero silk.
>>722050226>And by using Shakra's rings, taunting costs zero silk.It also doesn't boost your damage.
>>722050226Yes, but it doesn't increase needle damage if you use the Rings. It does increase Ring damage though. If you use up all your Rings, you'll go back to using Silk.
>see fanart of Shakra with realistic texture and battlescars on her shell>suddenly I want to fug a bug
>>722050226I didn't even know there was a tauntI saw some stuff in videos, I just thought they were starting a bind and canceling as like a pseudo-taunt
>>722050328>>722050345Ah shiet, didn't know that.>>722050413She's so hot, I hate that the usual suspects are already turning her into a nig though.
There's a lot of good trolls in this game but I feel like the Grand Gate map kiosk doesn't get the respect it deserves.>"Hey fucko now you've made it to the Citadel wanna buy a map? Literally just of this one room though."
>>722050226Shakra's Rings taunt doesn't give a damage buff
>>722050858Something I didn't realize since I got to act 2 via mist, is that a lot of people go from getting fucked by the judge straight to getting stuck in underworks, kinda wish I had done that.
oh.>>722050226how do i taunt? is it a later ability?
>>722051485Press right thumbstick.
>>722051539fuckin sweet
>>722050226Is it only needle attacks? If I threadstorm does it boost that?
my pilby is in both far fields and bone bottom, somehow
>>722051662POSHANKAPOSHANKA
Honestly of all the random things in this fight THIS is what is tilting me.Seething right now
>>722052205How the hell did Pilby make it from Bone Bottom to Pilgrim's Rest canonically speaking?
>>722052426He's one of those MAH! bugsHe can fly
What the fuck is that gray root thing
>>722052539So why didn't he fly over the Skull Tyrant?
>>722052570The white lady. But gray. And a rapist.
>>722052592that's fucked up man
>>722052592Why didn't Hornet jump over it?
>putting off getting the last heart somewhere near shellwood while I explore and collect shit I missed>get the homosexual heart by accident>icon near shellwood disappeared, now I'm just supposed to go see the snailsDid I lock myself out of a bossfight?If not, where do I look to get to it?
>>722052748Nah you can still do it.
>>722052426faith and begorrah
>>722052205I hadn't seen him once after bone bottom, maybe he went to your game.
are there any special interactions for not breaking the bridge over the hole next to bone bottom
>>722050737Am I the only one who thought she came off as more native American?
>>722052748>Did I lock myself out of a bossfight?Nope. You can't lock yourself out of them.>If not, where do I look to get to it?This one is the most bullshit by far. Less specific hint is that you don't get there from shellwood.More specific is that you get there from the grand gate.Even more specific is check the elevator shaft.
>>722052592He was looking at hornet. It was us. We killed pilby
Any anons want to sign a petition?https://www.change.org/p/petition-for-team-cherry-to-add-easier-mode-in-hollow-knight-silksong?utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=mobileNativeShare&utm_campaign=share_petition&recruited_by_id=9bf8e600-8d91-11f0-a9ca-9ba9928ce9e6
>>722052570baby cthulhu
>>722052941No, the game has some balancing problems but they're not the type you improve with an easy mode. Just fine-tune some fights and mechanics a little.
>>722052941>This petition has 15 supporterskek
>>722053086and each of them was madder than the last.
>>722052941The game has an easy mode.
I wonder if all the white masks in the HK games are inspired by evangelion angels
i just want more silksong. as big as the game is the fact some areas were stripped down or cut makes me crave for more.
>>722052941There's already a bunch of easy mode mods for the game.What would a TC easy mode actually add vs what you can mod in yourself?
>>722053218I judge any anon who uses cogflies or tacks.
>>722053350It would make the people using mods hate themselves a little less.
>>722053360What do you use instead?
>>722052941
>>722053360The only permissable red tool is flea brew. Flintslate is MAYBE ok as well.The rest of them may as well be a checkbox that appears before the boss saying>Would you like to donate some shards in order to fight a version of the boss with lower HP?It's no different than a difficulty toggle. It's a real shame the majority of the tools are so uninspired.
>>722053706>the majority of the tools are so uninspired.Name three (3) uninspired tools.
>>722052941>Easy modeThey already gave you an easy mode by nerfing bosses and lowering environmental damage. If anything they should be adding a "hard mode" to bring things back to how they were beforehand.
>>722053851nta but lmao1pin and the long pin have been in castlevania before i guess, throwing knife and javelin respectively. rest of the line up has its own quirks or is reasonably unique.
>>722053706it's a shame you can get cogflies so early. i think next playthru i'll hold off on getting them and stick with spike trap.i've shown some restraint on major bosses but shit like beastfly and beastfly 2, i just pumped em out. they're also a godsend for exploring and backtracking but they suck a little fun out of exploring new areas (except bilewater kek)i'm almost done with act 2 so maybe i'll ditch them to play a more real version of the gamealso props to phantom who can parry the flies and fuck your shit up on accident lmao
>>722053706i never really considered how unique or inspired they were as long as they were useful, and as far as that goes, only the harpoon really seemed shit to me.
>>722053706In that case silk skills aren't permissiable either, right? Needle only.
how do you actually get the little pilgrim to tell you his name? i talked to him every single time i went to bone bottom but he always just repeated the same line until he got trampled. is there a progress requirement for getting him to advance his dialogue? did i trigger the attack too early somehow?
>>722053706i mostly only used the threefold pin, the highest angled one is great for slapping flying enemies. other than that i barely touched my red tools most of the time
>>722050737I thought she was black before I found out a Jewish woman did her voice.
>>722053976>lowering environmental damagewhich patch and which hazards? high key most hazards that do 2 damage are bullshit unless it's lava which makes sense, *however it does force you to get good, it's a stupid tax especially late game.i'm still on release btw. the thing that fucks me up the most is the double-jump-after-pogo being hilariously unreliable
>>722054219The first patch. The one they mentioned was the sandcarvers in blasted steps and sands of karak. But it also included the cogworks gears and some of the looms in the underworks and choral chambers. There might be more, but those are the ones I noticed.
What was the point of this?
>>722054108permissable was the wrong word to usethe issue with tools is how boring and easily applied they are. Silk skills are an in fight tradeoff against your healing and must be timed appropriately
Easy and fun:>Bell Beast>Crawfather>Khann>Father of the Flame>Fourth Chorus>Conchflies>Moss Mother>Nyleth>Palestag>Silk>Sister Splinter>Skull Tyrant>VoltvyrmEasy and not fun:>Broodmother>Lugoli>Gurr>ZangoAverage and fun:>Cogwork Dancers>Signis & Gron>Lace 1&2>Last Judge>Phantom>Second Sentinel>Shakra>Trobbio>Watcher at the Edge>Widow>Clover Dancers>Lost Garmond>Raging ConchflyAverage and not fun:>Bell Eater>Groal>Moorwing>Pinstress>Beastfly>UnraveledHard and fun:>First Sinner>Seth>Lost Lace>Tormented TrobbioHard and not fun:>KarmelitaDidn't fight:>Garmond>Summoned Savior
>>722054340Sex
>>722054219The big ones are the Sandworms and the gears and machinery in the Citadel.
>>722054340They needed a reason for her hatred for flies
>>722054379Beastfly (both iterations) was way harder than First Sinner
>>722054379>Garmondvery easy and fun.>Summoned Savioreasy and not fun.
>>722054504Beastfly is way simpler to learn and you can use Magma Bell for the rematch, the boss is just an obnoxious bitch. If there was a tier between average and hard I'd put lava Beastfly there.
>>722054340Why didn't they take the mask? If they pulled it off, would she die?
>>722052941Just download a trainer. Team Cherry literally don't care if you cheat or not and you will still get achievements.
>>722054689That would have been rude
>>722053706this anon is a silly billy
>>722054379>first sinner>hard>lost lace>fun>karmelita>not fun???
>>722052394Got the bitch.I had been fighting her a while when I made that post too.I am not great at this game.
>>722053360I use cogflies because fuck any mob that flies. I'm not waiting 10min for it to flap down into range.
i pity consolefags who must play without mods
>>722054340To set the wheels in motion
>>722053706What's your opinion on Plasmium?
>>722054746First Sinner is on the easy end of hard but still complex enough to be a challenge (if you fight her in early-to-mid Act 2).Lost Lace is fun as fuck once you get her mechanics down, she's basically Silksong's version of the final Nine Sols boss.Karmelita might be fun when mastered but between the time-wasting enemy gauntlet, the super aggressive moveset, and her ability to block hits, I ended up not getting much chance to enjoy the fight before I powered through and beat it.
>>722054749Is nyleth just a platforming check for people or what? I died a lot to carmelita, but after 4 playthroughs I have yet to die to nyleth once
>entire time I did flea juggle I only got the big one onceAre there any other super rare ones for the other games?
>>722054749Ascendant's Grip is a requirement for Nyleth. If you want to beat her legit, pogo her and dodge/clawline away when she starts an attack. If you want to cheese her, use poison knives and cogflies plus occasional pogoing.
>>722054960what if i fight first sinner in act 1
>>722054960i beat lost lace easily, i don't see how "mastering her mechanics" would make it any less of a shit fightyou just hang in the air until she does an easily punishable attack and repeatit's fucking boring and lame
>>722054746First sinner is just not hard, it's a very fun fight, and one of the best designed bosses in the game, but it's pretty easy.Lost Lace, is okay? I wouldn't call her fun first playthrough, but when you fight her multiple times and learn her moves and patterns, she is actually a pretty good boss.Karmelita can be extremely annoying when fought for the first time, her ability to block attacks non stop, the very unintuitive jump attack trajectory, she has a great tempo when you learn the fight though.
>>722050737>I hate that the usual suspects are already turning her into a nig though.Now that I'm forced to racialize her I can see why people would see she's some African warrior woman. But the wrist rings made me associate her with the dude from Kung Fu hustle
>>722054295>>722054430that would have been nice when i was doing all that shit with 6 masks and no double jump. lel. but now that i've done it>>722054379cheesing the shit bosses is morally correct. don't cheat on the good ones tho.>first sinnernext time i'm not bringing the cogflies, only used a couple but still. what a good fight>phantomkicks ass but move him to easy>shakrahow do i duel her? i did her quest
>>722050737>already turning her into a nig thoughI mean, yeah.She's a tribal warrior, in a yellow tube dress, fighting with throwing rings. If you were to anthropomorphize her, of course she'd be black. Her antennae can kinda resemble that one braid style too.
>>722051485Why the fuck did Ari animate it like that? I remember William being the one who thought Hollow Knight porn is funny, but I think something changed in Ari within these past 7 years
How do I get Garmond and Zaza to help in the Conductor gauntlet?
>>722055314>how do i duel her?If you're still in act 2, go to the right of bellhart where moorwing/the fleas were at. She has a ring there you can hit to fight her. If you're in act 3, then you can't.
>>722055314ACT 2 only fight, after finishing her quest, travel to bellhart, and exit to the room on the right, the same one where you fought Moorwing, you will find a pole with a shakra ring on it, just hit it, and she will appear.
>Shakra in real life
>>722055286One thing that annoys me with Karm is the lack of opening after her buzzsaw move. Like, that move feels like it keeps chasing you forever with how the bone spur wave adjusts its direction towards you, and how high the bones reach if you're far away. And for dodging and weaving through all of it, you don't even get a window to attack, she IMMEDIATELY goes into neutral / blocking stance the moment she hits the ground. Kinda feels like a waste of my time, in addition to being a very dangerous attack.
>>722055330>that one braid style tooDutch Braids, which presumably became a widely adopted hair style by black people because of the Dutch being all over Ghana and influencing a good bit of African culture (the Dutch are also why the Indonesian Batik style is more widely associated with Africa than its native region)Shakra is 100% a dirty ringchucker
>>722054689>Why didn't they take the mask?Simple. There's no mask to take off.
Quarter weavers incoming
>>722055330I think it suits her honestly
>>722055616I'm pretty sure you can pogo her when she lands the spin.
>>722054689She had a face like that as a baby, so either it's not actually a mask and she was just humoring Mask Maker, or it is a mask and even the haunted bugs wouldn't take off another bug's mask.
>>722055906Is that not her without her mask in the normal bind ending?
>>722055869It really doesn't. She's based in design and temperament on a Shaolin Monk and voiced by a white girl.
>>722052617>add melanin>becomes a violent criminalhuh...
>>722055874That's gotta be a pretty crazy tight window, because I've tried doing that every time I manage to dodge it. By the time I can get into position for a pogo (after having dodged outta the way of her a second ago) she's already blocking or dodging.
>>722055953we only see a silhouette
>>722054749I'm not good either, but I'm slowly progressing. I enjoy a well crafted challenge.What pisses me off is how many jewtubers (don't judge, my feed is full of Silksong videos because I have the soundtrack on repeat) complain that the game is unreasonably hard and then complete the game in 35 hours. "Oh boy, such a difficult game, they sure overdid it!" Shut up bitch, I'm 60 hours in and didn't even complete the song for the elevator, you took 5 tries on the Last Judge and cried liek a bitch about the 20 seconds long runback you only had to do 4 times.
Nyleth is kinda hot
>>722054340>you WILL fuck ze bugs
>>722054960lost lace is a fine fight but putting her anywhere near eigong is just insulting
>>722056061What crest are you using? I used Hunter and its dive is really good for sneaking in attacks after dodging stuff in the air.
>>722055779Nah, Hornet definitely does have a mask. Mask Maker directly acknowledges it. Seems they want to establish that some bugs with visages are still considered masks. The key to things is the other Weavers: Widow is stated to have had a mask that was forcibly removed, while still keeping the typical Weaver eyes, but First Sinner's origin shows that the big spherical "mask" was granted biologically as part of being uplifted from Spider to Weaver. So Hornet's "mask" could be removed, it just would be extremely painful. One must question what she looks like underneath, as Widow chose to veil her shame. The lore implications of all of it is also quite staggering.
>>722056198Tbqh it's been a while since I fought her, but I think I was using Hunter. Stuck with that for most of the game.
>>722053360Well fuck you too, anon. I'm 40 and I wish to 100% the game before I turn 50.
>>722056225I'm sure she looks gross and buggy, like the creepy NPC at the bottom of Deepnest who wants to eat you.
trying to fuck around and get good with beast crest but the insanely long startup on the pogo is fucking me up, i keep divebombing face first into enemies and taking damage myself. seems like a really good move for bouncing around midair if you can get the spacing down though.
>>722054689She would look like a mini-version of the hot giant in the background for a certain boss fight.
>>722056225i thought the masks were tied to the bugs' sentience somehow, aren't they required for that?
>>722056395Vespa?
>>722053706>these tools I use to increase my damage are fine>the other tools you use to increase your damage are bad because uhh....ez mode
>>722056343Hornet is canonically very attractive by bug standards
>>722056294Who is waiting outside seamstress house? There is nothing of note there? At least nothing I can remember.
>>722056294Having found out that she is probably a Stilkin, her being an evasive tool spamming cheeselord makes a lot of sense. I'm guessing pinstresses were more like ninjas than sword saints.
Feels like they kinda fucked up the vibe of the game with how ambiguous the Haunting is. You never really know how many bugs are actually just fanatics or are being puppetted by GMS, how many are being controlled and how many are dead but are being reanimated by Silk, and the questions only increase further once the Void comes into the picture.It leaves it pretty ambiguous how much of Pharloom is actually a dead or dying kingdom. Hell, even though Act 3 fucks up a lot of shit, it might actually all be fine once Hornet gets the GILF to stop acting up and allowing the Void to course through her leftover strings.
>>722056532Fourth Chorus
>>722056464>aren't they required for that?For some bugs they, for some they aren't. And for others they're sentient regardless, but the mask alters their personality, with the mask maker himself being an example.
>>722056586Oh yeah, on the way back after acquiring the ability to float.
>>722054904All set up by the rebellious daughter.
>>722056486To steelman that other anon, some of the tools don't just increase your damage, they give you FREE damage. Or rather, they let you pay with shards instead of skill. The worst offender is obviously cogflies, who will chunk down a bossfight while you jerk off in the corner. But then you have those spikes that hang in the air until an enemy walks into them, or Tacks. Tools that don't really require you to expend any effort in order to damage the enemy. Fleabrew and Flintslate at least still require you to actually drag your ass over there and slap a fucker.
>>722056518The other bugs just say that because none of them have looked underneath the mask.
>>722056482Come on, Anon.
Termite ant war in the dlc?
>>722056464Not required, but it can grant them sentience. It seems to break down like thisA) Some bugs are just intelligent naturally, whether they have a Mask or notB) Some bugs are feral, but with Masks they can have their intelligence Focused. The mask grants them sentience, and in some cases, it grants them purpose. This can affect even intelligent bugs, such as Quirrel being driven by Monomon's MaskC) Some bugs are feral, but can be uplifted to sentience by Pale Beings, whether that's Grand Mother Silk turning Spiders into Weavers or the Pale King's Beacon. Alternatively, the presence of civilization might be another factor, as bugs without sentience are better suited for surviving in the wastes, but there's a lot of questions regarding this (and how much a Pale Being is actually required for what the game's world considers a proper Civilization) D) Some bugs are big dumb gay baby retards no matter whatSo like, some primates are Humans and are naturally sentient, while others are Chimps that can be sentient by either taking them to Spirit Halloween or to a Church
>>722056486It's not about easymode, it's about how interactive it isIt's about how fun they are. Most of the tools don't involve you doing anything, it's just a modifier applied to the game's health values.
>>722056831Forgot pic
>>722056558>how ambiguous the Haunting isI don't feel it's that ambiguous. I'm pretty sure every single enemy that carries rosaries is haunted, as in essentially a zombie
>>722056860I'd assume the confusion of the masks comes from the void vessels. They aren't really normal bugs as their bodies are just shells and their masks are practically their actual heads.
>>722056702>spkes that hang in the airThose don't count, you have to actually take positioning into account. Put them somewhere the boss is likely to stand in.
>>722054916It's boring normally, but overdosing is a fundamental shift in playstyle due to it kneecapping active healing as a tradeoff, so if used that way it's at least an interesting change.
>>722056831The Antz crossover we've all been waiting for...
>>722054736He's right but he worded it in a provocative manner.I think he's trying to talk about how interactive the tools are rather than some "you didn't beat the game" thing.Too many tools are simply fire and forget.
>>722055906Some bugs are already born with a mask. Those that are not need the services of a Mask Maker. That is why Mask Makers are so essential in every kingdom. Without a mask, you can never be. You are only ever an animal.
>>722056558The citadel is a ghost town before Lace wakes everyone up. So they are largely reanimated. And the underworks bugs who are already up and active are stated to be working beyond their natural limits. It's less clear when you get outside the citadel, but I'd say at least out to greymoor, the populace are not that dissimilar from the underworks wagies.Pharloom as a whole is in a weird zombified state where most of the inhabitants actually running stuff are only functioning as undead puppets. But they are functioning. Unlike Hallownest, the normal day to day work necessary to keep the place running is still being done. And the haunted even show a greater degree of lingering sapience than the infected.But, like Bellhart, when the threads are cut, most will drop dead. The more recently arrived pilgrims will likely be able to rebuild something. But I think the 12th architect is a good representation of the hopelessness of preserving the citadel's level of development. When the haunted are gone, everything remotely complex will collapse beyond reclamation.
>Found the First SinnerHoly hell she's fast. Also there's a living Weaver here?!? Also what the hell does this mean?
>>722056957Interactivity isn't a binary. The hanging spikes are more interactive than the cogflies, but you can't possibly say they require more effort than actually hitting the enemy with your nail. "Place them somewhere the boss is likely to stand at some point" is far removed from "move to where the boss is standing and hit it".I'm not saying anything like "hurr if you used the spike mines you didn't beat the boss", but you definitely spent less time actually interacting with the gameplay mechanics than you would have if you were using a less brainless tool.
>>722056948And I think that's what >>722056225 is building onto. The situation with the Weavers and Hornets shows that some bugs naturally have what their world considers a Mask, even though it's part of their body. Some creatures can have that removed, like a Weaver becoming Widow, or a Vessel becoming a Shade. If those Vessels weren't corrupted by the Void and born as actual bugs, that head would still be considered a Mask for whatever's underneath and could be removed. >>722057056>Without a mask, you can never beBut there's nevertheless intelligent bugs that don't have a mask. The Flea Troupe/Caravan is a good example, as neither the troupe members nor the dog fleas wear masks, but some are intelligent and some aren't
so what happened?bug world is forever fucked by satanic black hole powers?
>>722056702There needed to be more instances of things that can screw you over with tacks/flies etc so that you have to think a little more about how you use them.For instance, flies vs bell eater will attack the bouncing bombs and detonate them, so flies become a shitty tool on that fight. Similar thing with tacks vs parry, or tacks doing nothing vs flyers. Issue with that kind of balancing is it becomes a simple binary decision (don't use X item in Y situation).I want more tools like the drill or the electric spear that you can hit to change its angle
>>722056867>Most of the tools don't involve you doing anythingOne tool is not most.
>>722057158>Also what the hell does this mean?The cutscene right after spells it out pretty plainly.
>>722056831But my underwater adventures... Hornet's diving bell...
Was phantom ashamed of being black?
>>722055314>>722055446>>722055474you can fight her in act 3, but you have to go to where her master died for the bell to summon her
>>722057350phantom is a girl?
>>722057158Have fun anon, this is a strong contender for best boss in the game.
>>722057379did TC add this recently?
>>722057216The mask maker draws a distinction between faces and masks. His services are principally for bugs who do not naturally have faces. Although he talks about Hornet as though she has a mask.
TROBBI-ack !
>>722057205>but you definitely spent less time actually interacting with the gameplay mechanicsTools are a gameplay mechanic.
>>722057487Are Hornet's white horns and head not a mask ? I'm almost certain they are.
>>722057056So they just call that part of a shell a mask whether it's natural or not? I wonder if Sherma's mask is real.
>>722057460>>722057379>>722055314>>722055446>>722055474nevermind, looks like i got baited by a shitpost on reddit, my bad
>>722057289It applies to:straight pinthreefold pinsting shardcurveclaw/sicklelongpintacksthrowing ringpimpillo (i guess this needs to be "aimed" but it's very generous)silkshot (all 3 variants)conchcuttercogwork wheelsnare settercogflyplasmium vial (overdose notwithstanding)rosary cannonflintslate (it's just a damage steroid)This is the majority of the tools. The exceptions areDrill (somewhat different, can actually be a risk if misused)Flea Brew (att/move speed steroid changes what you actually do in terms of control)Volt Vessel, spear mode (only because of the interaction where you can hit it to change the angle)
>>722057549At least one person is convinced her mask is stuff with silk and hiding her halo.
>>722057596>aiming a projectile (sometimes including bounces or arcs) isn't doing anythingAlso, snare setter is genuinely higher risk against bosses and gauntlets than going in for most needle attacks.
>>722057778I kind of like it.
>>722057283The world is basically just a big shithole full of bugs. Occasionally, a godlike being goes>man, bugs are fukken cool>Imma make a kingdom out of these fuckersand makes a kingdom out of those fuckers. This persists until a godlike being gets pissed off (which may or may not be the one that did the uplifting to begin with) after bugs no longer pay attention to them instead, and they start kicking over the sand castle until they get their way. The void is the natural byproduct of the process. Like how light hitting an object causes its shape to be cast upon the ground, the divine light hitting bugs creates a divine shadow in their shape on the ground, as sentience from that light begets misery and regrets, which then seeps into the dirt, eventually forming a font of Void under each kingdom.
>>722057529Really? That's crazy.One of these "gameplay mechanics" lets you put the controller down while the game plays itself. Many of them let you press a single button without considerations for positioning or timing to deal massive damage which you'd otherwise had to work much harder for. There is very obviously a scale here for how much you have to interact with the game, where Cogflies is at the bottom, followed by Tacks. I seriously don't know how anyone can disagree with this.
>>722050737Shakra's black-coded. She's like one of those Zulu warrior women.
Is there a runback to Groal that doesn't involve getting wormed? Or is it worms or the super long jumpquest one.
bro's i'm pretty sure my druid eyes quest is bugged. i looked everywhere for the past hour and i'm pretty sure i got all the mossberries.i think i broke it i might have turned one into the chef nigger. the druid won't do anything.
>>722057778This is plausible, especially given how the bottom right image resembles Silk
>>722057994They respawned after some time, so won't ever get locked out of it.
>>722057992You been to Putrified Ducts yet? There's a charm you probably want.
>>722057992Harpoon and then doublejump and you can get up from there with no maggots. Timing's a bit tight.
>>722057992There is an item that will allow you to not get instantly wormed but it's in an area you have to either go past Groal to get to or go in from the Citadel
>>722057158>That dressDamn girl, where the party at, why are you so stylish?
>>722057992At the second bench, you can come up the way you came, it's just that the timing can be really fucking annoying.
>>722057920And now one giant worm guy shrank himself to fuck a tree and a spider and made a thousand void babies who lurk the Abyss jonsing for a throw down with the radiance and hunting it for every single spec of light based powers.
>>722051485>polish/grind the needle on a stone wheel>THEN applies the oilIt feels like it should be opposite no?You put the oil on, grind it so work the oil in deep, the wipe with cloth. right?
>>722057973What is this histrionic bullshit? Are you a woman?
>>722058175
I missed a charm? I swear i explored every inch of putrified ducts
>>722058223
>>722058238Isn't it here?
Wonder who the ? and X are
>>722053218I don't even know where you get them from
>>722057568Yes.
>>722058192I am trying to engage in a discussion with you on why some tools are way less interesting than others. Are you willing to engage with it at all, or will you just throw insults like some kind of caveman?
>>722058126Nah, the Siblings seem pretty content to just hang around. It doesn't look like they're itching for more fights after consuming the Radiance, and the Radiance is definitely 100% turbo dead, completely obliterated. Even if she was just pulled into the Void, it's outright stated that anything in it is gonna get murked, and GMS was only fighting on for so long to save Lace
>>722058348Sinner's Road. Room with the hanging cages just right of the vertical shaft that connects to the bench.
>>722058348Sinner's Road, they're quest reward for collecting roach guts for hungry boys
>>722058347Sherma and the protagonist of hollow knight 3
>>722055474so that's what that's for, ive been whacking it for giggles when i run past it. alright.>>722057379kino>>722057595what?speaking of ACT 2. i got all the songs, doing as many wishes as i can. found all the fleas. did the taste of farloom. far enough to have done shakra's quest.what's some shit i should find/finish up before starting ACT 3? definitely missing some tools
>>722058450Any advice on the courier's rasher?
>>722058347Styx and the most terrifying pack of Weaver-descendants the world will ever know
>>722058486Enemies that drop rosaries only respawn when you rest on a bench, so if you kill every enemy between you and the Gourmand without resting, you'll make your delivery WAY easier.
>>722058402>I am trying to engage in a discussion with youNo the fuck you are not. Trying to claim that aiming a projectile, which is the normal combat in an assload of games including metroidvanias, is the game playing itself and involves no consideration for positioning or timing is too retarded to be a genuine opinion. You already realized how profoundly wrong you are and have decided to septuple down on your stupidity instead of admit it.
>>722053706I wish there were more red tools that did something else but direct damage.
>>722058347Man, why was Herrah so fucking fat. Weavers aren't fat, and she was so fucking fat. Weavers aren't even shown to have any kind of thorax or anything to MAKE fat, but she was so fucking fat. Why was she so goddamn fat.
>>722058486Get faydown cloak it lets you get through blasted steps like 3 times faster and avoid all enemies
>>722058486Clear the enemies along the pathway before you begin to run. Don't rest and let them respawn beforehand.
>>722058223>NAO!
What's the deal with the ladybug (male) in the old prison in The Marrow? I don't want to waste rosaries on games
>>722058642Someone had the idea that she was a different kind of spider that was uplifted. Or that she's just what a fat Weaver without an orb mask looks like.
>>722058450>what?i was wrong, you can't actually fight her in act 3, it was an elaborate shitpost on the silksong reddit page that i fell for
>>722058760He's actually Grindle in disguise, he just steals your money. Runs away if you win the "game".
>>722058760tool pouch upgrade for clearing his game the first time
>>722058628I was quite obviously referring to the cogflies with "game playing itself". Calm down, Jesus man.And with "no consideration for positioning and timing" I meant the flying spike mines. Don't burst a vessel.Let me try this again. There's a scale of how much interaction is required for any given gameplay tool or attack you use. For cogflies it is pressing a single button at any time, anywhere, and they'll deal damage for you. For Tacks and mines it's vaguely looking in the direction of the enemy and pressing a button. For the silk cannon from Mt. Fay you need to align yourself horizontally. For hitting something with your nail, you need to actually get in range and also be aligned properly.Just stop it with the histrionics, calm down, and read the words that are on the screen, this is not that difficult.
>>722058642Chapel of the beast has a corpse with the same body type as Herrah (hence the monicker even), if spiders in general were uplifted then there is a chance of different kinds of weavers. Since they needed to get the fuck out of Pharloom they could have relied on a weaver that was a fucking tank and built like one to lead them safely
>>722058486>equip sanic bracelets>kill all the non-respawning enemies beforehand>kitchen -> spa -> grand gate -> blasted steps -> shellwood -> bellhart>bellhart -> shellwood -> blasted steps -> grand gate -> spa -> kitchen>practice once or twice>DO NOT REST>cogflies on the delivery trip to catch any little shitters>avoid slamming into walls>avoid getting hit>double jump is super helpful ascending the middle tube part of blasted stepsi finished with 1/4 of the time left and took a hit and slammed into a wall or twotl:dr just kill all the enemies beforehand and do a practice run
Young phantom
>>722058658i wonder if there's anyone insane enough to try going up thru bilewater. i wanna know if it's possible
>>722057992Just get wormed and use your cocoon to clear it.
>>722059004Ummm... yikes.. Phantom is actually non-binaric. This depiction is really reductionist.
>>722058935>>722057596
>>722058642She studied under the First Architect.
>>722059129What? That anon isn't me.
>>722053360I use both and the boomerang all with pollip pouch and dice
>>722057994memorium has one anon. as does deeper moss lands.plus by wanderer church
>>722059064Bilewater doesn't really lead to there unless you went all the way around through the putrefied ducts. But you can go pretty far out of the way and still make it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyJSQ4WktOo
>>722059113Like how ironic shitposting is still just shitposting, ironically forcing that into discussions that lacked them otherwise is still the same behavior as the people you're trying to mock.
>>722059287
>>722059064that's the route i took technically, but just to the exhaust organ and taking the elevator up
>>722059328Umm.. the thing reflected is only the thing itself through ignorance sweetie.. haven't you read Simulacra and Simulation? And your take is really reductionist btw.. at the end of the day all I'm asking for is for you to stop posting your disgusting AGP pedophilic beastiality pictures every day the whole day. It's really triggering.
>>722059449Technically you're worse than the thing itself because you should know better than to be acting like this, silly anon
I feel like a fucking pro gamer now
Favourite Benches: 1. Sands of Karak2. Whiteward elevator 3. Deep Docks sauna 4. Mount Fay final5. Groal's Bench
>>722059727100% factual post
>>722050226If I dropped my pants and start fucking the architect would she stop me or would she keep working?
>>722057148wtf does パソ二ザ二ザ mean?
>>722059205Yes it is. It's even echoing the exact same sentiment as >>722057973.>Many of them let you press a single button without considerations for positioning or timing to deal massive damage which you'd otherwise had to work much harder for."Many" tools by necessity would have to include the projectiles, since that's what the overwhelming majority of them are.Honestly, I'm not eve sure you've played the game. You've tried to shit on the snare setter twice now. Which, if you'd ever used it, you would know makes you sound even more stupid than you already do.
>>722059681Good work, but that one isn't really close to being as hard as Courier's Rasher. The 3 health might look imposing, but that's about the same amount as the rasher once you take in how much it will decay over time. And mt. Fay might sound scary until you realize how much easier it is with double jump and no freezing mechanic.
>>722059930The Courier's Rasher had my heart more pumping, yeah. I finished that one on the first try but literally with only one pixel freshness left on the meat.
>>722058081>>722059263ya that's crazy, i'll check back in act 3. almost done with act 2. like i said i've been looking everywhere
Hot DAMN that fight was fun!
>>722059930I'd say it's harder. If you've pre-cleared the courier's rasher route, there isn't really any threat along the way. All the platforming is very easy with minimal risk of actually taking damage. Mt Fay isn't super hard to traverse once you have the double jump. But it is still more likely for you to take damage there than blasted steps.If it weren't for the respawning spit squits, I'd even say the mt fay delivery is harder than the fleatopia one.
>>722059879I swear we're not the same person, but it seems I won't be able to convince you of that, so I guess this conversation is over. Shame to have my entire argumentation foiled because some other anon happened to have a similar, but much more hyperbolic stance. I guess that's just the folly of fully anonymous posting.If you followed the single chain of replies without taking this retard >>722057596 into account, I'm sure you'll find my arguments much more reasonable.
>>722059681how do i trigger this one?matter of fact, do i need to do all the courier quests?>>722059727based>>722059404ya kinda what i meant. up thru the underworks? that side of the map roughly>>722059267that's hilarious
>>722060137Ah, I didn't take pre-clearing into account. I've always just done the rasher by raw-dogging it.
>>722060090This fight taught me AGGRESSION
>>722060226>how do i trigger this one?I have no idea what exactly triggered it. The last things I did were Father of Flame and opening the elevator to Lace 2. I only did 2/3 of the regular delivery quests.
>>722060226this is the exact route i took, you touch the underworks a bit but only barely
So The Weavers aren't children of Grandmother Silk? They're not Higher Beings?
>>722060507They were merely elevated by her
>>722058347Zote is the most interesting character in the seriesEveryone loves an underdog too
If you didn't do hunter's march immediately at the start of the game with no movement skills or tools you didn't win the game
>>722060542Somehow I thought the Weavers were involved with those guys in the Citadel trying to use their Silk to figure out eternal life. So The First Sinner figured out that their just regular bugs like everyone else. I wonder if that's why they made Eva down in the Moss Grotto. Or why they left to Hollownest. Herrah doesn't look anything like the First Sinner but she has to be a Weaver because Hornet is a Weaver. Right? I just got so confused.
>>722060682Trvke
>Hurr don't use toolsFuck you, I am the primal aspid now.
The Seth fight is fucking cancer
>>722052941Pick Wanderer. Equip 3 defensive blue charms. Druid's tears, quick heal and multibind. Now you can facetank bosses and out sustain them, the only thing that you need to do is find a safe timing to heal. There. Here's your easy mode.
>>722060841What he does to the flea games is worse
>>722060841Heh.Hehehehehehe.
>>722060507They are. Lace is fucking her own niece for food
>>722058450If you care about the hunter's journal, do the kill n amount of enemies of everything you're already countered. Grinding them afterwards becomes aids because of reasons
>>722060682hunters march was basically the first thing i did, extremely based area to do early
>>722060727Herrah being a fatass is not explainedThe weavers did make the white ward in order to create immortal servants, and this is what led to their downfall, as Silk could manipulate bugs infused with her silk even while she was still technically contained. So Silk had the servants go mad and turn on the weavers, forcing them to flee. The First Sinner and Widow were captured, possibly among others. Silk expanded her control over pharloom and sent raiding parties to capture more weavers and weaverspawn so that their stolen power could be returned to her, possibly specifically to feed or enable creation of the pure silk lifeforms.
>3 hours of trying to kill Phantom hitless and toolless with nothing to show for itLads...send help
>>722061736>The weavers did make the white ward in order to create immortal servantsWas it the weavers? I thought this was the conductors after the weavers left
Flowey was pretty easyOnly 2 more lord souls to go
>>722061792It was the conductors at the behest of the weaver queens. This experimentation is what allowed Silk to breach containment in the first place.
I feel like every other person has a different taken on the timeline of eventsWhen did the Weavers fuck off?When did the Elites make Pharloom into an industrial wasteland?When did people start getting injected with silk which would then spread genetically?Is GMS awake when the game starts? Does she wake up sooner? later? If she's awake why is she in the seal?When does the Haunting start?When were Lace and Phantom made?When did the religion start, before or after the weavers fucked off?When did using immortal slave labor start?When did kidnapping weaver offspring start?
>>722061838>It was the conductors at the behest of the weaver queensI would have thought this was being done after the weavers left, at the same time they were looking for the descendants of the weavers.
>>722057994One time I killed one of the flies carrying a moss berry and it fell into the spikes and got deleted. Reloading brought it back. Maybe you got bamboozled like that?
>>722062015We never had a clear timetable for things in Hollow knight either.
>>722062015>Is GMS awake when the game starts? Does she wake up sooner? later? If she's awake why is she in the seal?I feel like Hornet's presence stirs her. The closer Hornet gets the more awake she gets to the point where she actually wakes up when Hornet challenges her.
Prove him wrong.You can't.
>>722062312the game is not that hardI am fucking gonna die laughing at you shitterswhat the fuck happened to gaming
>>722060507Basically:>Silk arrives in pharloom and takes over>makes the Weavers, says they’re her children>weavers find out they aren’t divine and just elevated normal bugs>get mad at GMS and wrap her in a cocoon and use the conductors to make her fall asleep so that the weavers can rule>Weavers find out that GMS is starting to awaken, they run away and leave the conductors in charge. >Conductors (I think it was them) order any weavers or their rare descendants be captured so that they can be forced to continue Silk operations>Hornet is valuable because she’s half pale being and can generate Silk of her own due to her weaver lineage
>>722062312This is so fucking melodramatic. The silksong difficult discourse is a complete meme.IT HAS HIGHER COMPLETION RATES THAN MOST GAMES
>>722062312Who is this faggot and why does he talk like this? This fucking novel could be summarized in a single paragraph.
>>722062463>IT HAS HIGHER COMPLETION RATES THAN MOST GAMESproofs???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aua4MJO_pZo
>>722062163Don't we?As in, we know which event happens before or after any other one. But in HK Hallownest didn't really go through phases really. There was before OK arrived, during PK's reign, and the present.Meanwhile Pharloom had before GMS arrived, when she uplifted the weavers and during their reign, when GMS was sealed and the weavers left (did they leave immediately or was there a period where they ruled while GMS was sealed), rule of the conductors and turning the citadel into an industry, the haunting, present. And each of these drastically changes the state of Pharloom, and we don't know which event really happens in which phase.
>>722062593>>722062163Problem is that Pharloom has too many moving political parts.Meanwhile Hallownest is solely run by the Pale King.
>>722060841>>722060976he losted
>>722058997anklets is specifically how I kept running into wall. spamming clawline is actually a a much safer use of silk
>>722050328>>722050345There's a damage boost? How much, and where's the data on this? First I've heard of that.
>>722062312He's wrong in that the difficulty is not its shortcoming. Everyone had the same complaint about Hollow Knight, calling it a "brutally difficult" game, which in itself was just a parroted complaint from nearly every game with a different design philosophy from standard triple A slop. People adapted to Hollow Knight, and they will adapt to Silksong. The fact the complaints are even larger than they were before isn't a sign of it being more difficult, it just has more people playing it. More people than who even played Hollow Knight, meaning those jumping in without playing it are just echoing the exact things they'd say if they did.What even causes this phenomenon? Is it really just because they don't advertise the games as hardcore?
>>722062838People FOMOEspecially since Silksong has such good art, music, production values but it cockblocks pe
>>722054340It was for me.
>>722059727so you just like sitting next to corpses
>>722062015who sealed GMS, the weavers themselves?
>>722062838Yeah the thing about HK is that those difficulty complaints were spread over 7 yearsHere it reached critical mass and it was exacerbated because everyone was going in blind so there were no fallbacks or guides for people to crutch with
>>722063171The Weavers. The current Citadel was built to contain her.
>>722062312>>722062838>>722063172being not retarded, i simply played hollow knight first after silksong released, because i hadnt played it yet. Going into silksong after hollow knight the game never really felt unfair, the complaints have to be solely from retards that didnt play the first game
>>722062312>2 hours spent grinding rosariesYou can get 200/minute from grand reeds. How much fucking money do you want, or just how badly do you play
>>722063402He'd probably just complain they're too hard, or take too many hits to kill
>>722052941Nah, the game will be just boring as fuck. It relies on artificial difficulty so much, because core gameplay is as simplistic as NES game.
>>722054689You don't just go taking another bugs mask. That's obscene.
>>722063494You must remember that most players remember that Hollow Knight was not fast, and so they are pussies who fear rushing headlong at the enemy
>>722062312go back
>>722056464I think it's more a social thing, civilised sapient bugs wear the masks to separate themselves from their base crawling ancestors.
>>722054353What exactly do you want? For all of them to be slow melee attacks? Not only would that make them redundant given you already have a bunch of melee attacks but it'd make them much more samey and boring because good fucking luck designing 50 completely unique melee attacks
>>722052941>15 supporters LMAO
I just beat Phantom and started act 2 at 2h30mins, how hard should I be rushing at this point?
>>722050226so now these comfy threads have become coomers generalI thought having those semi-official generals in /v/ would avoid all the /vg/ faggotrymaybe it's time to finally move over to /vg/, everyone finished the game anyways
>>722062838Why does this feline look so diseased
>>722063928Bro I dont want SS to become a generalJust let it fade out and well come back once DLC gets announced
>>722057973This anon is 100% correct. Cogflies require no input from the player. Tacks require minimal input and one condition. Other tools require significantly more.
>>722058175>and this is my void abomination stepbrother, the one that didn't become a god.>he's cute >...oh no
You know an understated of Silksong that doesnt get praised enough?How well Hornet is animatedI'm rewatching some recordings of my almost hitless fights and the way she just chains combos and weaves around both boss and arena fights look so kinoDefinitelly appreciated when you're not controlling her
>>722054689It would be extremely painful.||For you.||
>>722054379I could not give two shits of your tastes, but->Hard and NOT FUN:>Skarrsinger Karmelita-is the most retarded opinion I've heard about Silksong and you should end yourself.
>>722062312You couldn't pay me to read this pseudo intellectual drivel past the first six lines. Holy shit, what an insufferably melodramatic tone. The game is not that fucking difficult, Jesus Christ.
My wife is fun
>>722063915Phantom is roughly at the midpoint in an any% speedrun, so you should probably speed up just a little to finish under 5 hours.
Sorry but they fucked it up on this one. Hollow Knight was so good but this game feels so montonous and frustrating without a good reason in comparison. Also giving the protagonist her own dialogue and personality was a bad idea.
>>722063494>max focustbf, you won't be fighting them like that normally, since resting on a bench resets your focus
>>722062420I think hornet was particularly important because her half pale side made her unaging, so she could be exploited for silk indefinitely.
>>722055246That is an absolute skill issue. Of course cheesing her is going to be boring, the whole point is to get in and land aggressive hits while actively dodging her attacks. Use dashes and the clawline, activate her parries and punish with a needle hit, get in her blind spots, and it becomes one of the best fights in the game. You might as well judge how much fun it is to fight Hollow Knight bosses with a Glowing Womb+Kingsoul build if you're not going to engage.
are you frWHERE DO I GET THE SKILL THAT LETS ME BREAK WEAK FLOORS BELOW ME
Why is there a heart from the green prince?What's the point of having 4 hearts when it only needs 3 for the quest?
>>722064341Max focus just reduces the amount of hits to kill them by 2. Obviously makes a difference, but it basically just adds another second to killing them.
>>722050226the game is like a 6/10. go back
>>722064554You dont have to do coral
>>722064341but if you were farming you'd be running barbed wire
>>722064616But all 3 bosses are weak and I beat them on my first try.Green prince is the one that takes me few tries to kill.
no it doesnt because Tibetan monks are as pale as they can get.
>>722064502>have to intentionally gimp yourself to make the fight challenging>this makes it goodlolno. if a boss is completely trivialized by using your moveset as intended by the devs, it's a shit fight. no amount of "but if you XYZ it's le good" can change that.make a better boss next time.
>>7220645404 hours from then
>>722062838>What even causes this phenomenon?1. Gaming and specifically indie gaming are more popular than they were when Holliw Knight released.2. "Difficult" games have fallen out of favor with the average gamer, with the exception of team-based multiplayer games. 1v1 multiplayer games (fighting games, RTS games) are typically unpopular.3. In contrast, games that rely on random chance have become increasingly popular; Vampire Survivors, Balatro, MegaBonk, etc., run-based games that owe a great deal to Binding of Isaac's design. While I don't think it's a significant factor, it's also notable that the 2-hour refund window exists on Steam, and develoers don't want to risk alienating players with actual difficulty.4. Elden Ring convinced millions of gamers that they like and are able to beat "difficult" games, when in reality ER has an incredibly flexible and lenient difficulty curve by design. The tl;dr is that while Elden Ring can be very difficult if the player deliberately chooses to make it difficult, it can also be laughably easy; however, the game never explicitly tells you that you're playing on Super Weenie Hut Jr. mode, which leads a lot of people to think everyone is playing on the same difficulty.This is my best guess. Obviously Silksong is not that difficult of a game, and even if it was there's nothing inherently wrong with struggling with a challenge. For many people, that's the appeal of games. If you don't want a challenge, there's plenty of other games that appeal to that type of gamer - so they can rightly fuck off and stop pontificating on Reddit.
>>722064838nta but what about if you use a clearly unintended exploit to lock up the boss or cheese it in some other way? I'm specifically thinking of the negative combo bullshit you can do it KH2 to stunlock some bosses
>>722062838No review copies so journalists had to work overtime on release work.
>>722064502>everything good about the lost lace fight actually comes from lace 2>everyhing bad about the lost lace fight is unique to itreally makes you think. lost lace fags are genuinely delusional.
If Silksong was actually difficult I could never have beaten more than ten bosses.However, it's still a game that wants you to git somewhat gud.
>>722065018Lace 2 is too easily punishable.The last phase of Lost Lace barring the void tidal wave is hectic kino.
>>722064923>While I don't think it's a significant factor, it's also notable that the 2-hour refund window exists on Steam, and develoers don't want to risk alienating players with actual difficulty.Insignificant.That window exists because Steam is trying to weasel their way out of that legal obligation by tricking people into thinking there is a time limit.
>>722056294Genuinely one of the most tedious bosses in the entire game, she doesn't even let you land hits during a stun half the time because she falls off the arena.
>>722064945it's the dev's fault for the oversight, but it doesn't automatically make a boss bad because you're doing something unintended..if the devs give you a downward aerial attack and tons of air mobility and then don't design fights around you having those abilities, then they're making shitty boring bosses.seth is another boss that could in theory be cool but in practice is a total nothingburger because he has no response to you just pogoing him repeatedly since the devs forgot to give him a real anti-air. it's bad design.
>>722061826>lord soulsLmao that makes me think, which DS1 lord boss would most people skip if they only needed 3 lord souls instead of 4?
>>722056294this was easily the single most disappointing fight in the entire game. they had the perfect setup for ultrakino and completely botched it. what a crock of shit.
>>722064701You are an anomaly if you didn't find Karmelita the hardest by a lot. Green Prince is the same fight as earlier in the game with a tornado added
>>722065335obv bed of chaos>>722056294yeah t'ain't gppd
>>722065335Gee I wonder. Is there a boss in DS1 that is commonly referred to as one of the most atrocious bossfights in video games, right down there with Infested Chopper from DMC2? Perhaps it's even located at the end of a blatantly unfinished area with missing textures and placeholder enemies?
>>722065467>Perhaps it's even located at the end of a blatantly unfinished area with missing textures and placeholder enemies?Yeah Four Kings sucks
been replaying hollow knight since I finished silksongfinally beat this guy despite being the only boss I didn't beat back then (exept the pantheon dlc because it wasn't released when I played it), and in around 10 tries only toofeels good
>>722065510Retard he's talking about Bed of Chaos.
>>722050226I once masturbated to an educational video without talking about a queen bee getting artificially inseminated until I came.
>>722065562But Four Kings whole arena is unfinished textures!
>enter gay prince dream>do these super mario style things where you have to collect a bunch of fragments in order>didn't even find all of them i think? playing the needolin still showed a couple of lights>fight clover dancers, area is now inaccessiblewhat did the statues even do, unlock the house?
>>722064923Fourth point is definitely the reason. Normies are so brainrotted by progression systems and power scaling that they think that having beaten one game means they've beaten any game considered "beneath" it.
>>722053706>The only permissable red tool is flea brew. Flintslate is MAYBE ok as well.t. wanderer user
>>722065613unlock the houseif you collect all of them you get a lore tablet in the house that reveals the princes were conjoined gay twins
>>722065609Funny guy, but if you look down over the railings in the very last staircase before BoC, you'll see actual missing level geometry, at least in the PtD edition. Like, gray transparent void that lets you stare right into BoC's boss room. Shit's fucked.
I hope the DLC has more ghost.
>>722065660welp
>>722065613Yea
>>722064923>Elden Ring convinced millions of gamers that they like and are able to beat "difficult" gamesAny look at someone bitching about Silksong's difficulty proves this true
>>722065839Odd that Malenia is still held as some sort of superboss when over a third of players beat her and considering how many people bought the game that's a lot
>>722065958And considering how half the SoTE bosses are way harder than her.
I wish Phantom was faster and had like twice the HP and the part in her soundtrack that goes BWAAM BWAM BWAAM BWAM BWAAAAAM looped at least twice
>>722065958>36% of elden ring players beat malenia "the hardest boss in souls history!">only 30% of silksong players beat GMS let alone the actual hard bosseslol
>>722066092you and me bothlove me phantom, but unfortunately I have gotten too good
>>722059727The Deep Docks sauna bench is the comfiest one in the game and it's not even close (not counting Hornet's bed in Bellhart as a bench).
>>722065660>if you collect all of them you get a lore tablet in the house that reveals the princes were conjoined gay twinsWhat the fuck lmao.Why are the only homos in the game saddled with so much retarded baggage.
>>722066092If they don't add an enhanced Pure Phantom fight in the inevitable godhome-like update I riot, Lace got three god damn fights and she's the inferior sister
>>722065542nightmare king grimm is my favorite boss from hollow knight, his theme is so fucking kino
>>722059727>>722066270The Underworks bench next to the confessional is kino
LMAO WHAT
>>722064190When she stops flinging herself in buzzsaw mode into my face, blocks less, eases off on the throwing knife spam, and gets rid of the arena match with flying ants before every attempt, I will consider changing my opinion. Until then I maintain that looking hot and having a complex moveset does not erase a boss's shortcomings.
>>722066345fwiw some people ignore the fact that the heart is specifically conjoined/the princes are specifically noted as "entwined" first, and the talk of birth to make it "it's not incest" but, desu, I don't really care one way or the other.If it's gay incest, or just gay, either way it's the story of a weird narcissist.Here's the text of the tablet>Two children born entwined, apart,>Two children marked to rule, >They danced, they sang, proved blades beyond,>But none forgot their birth, >For lovers born on beat exact shall be forever cursed
>>722059198oh you
>>722066653What did Team Cherry mean by this?
>>722066527pay up, piggie!
>>722066527Oyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
>>722066653It in no way suggests they were siblings>entwined, apart>born on the beat exactIt's implying that they were born at the exact same time to two different mothers, hence "apart". So they're just narcissistic faggots, not incestuous narcissistic faggots.
>>722066527have fun in the arena
>>722066527Those charms will stop breaking so it is worth it.
>>722066773>>entwined, apartMeans they were conjoined and separated.>>born on the beat exactMeans they were twinsSee >>722066345 man this is what I meant about "some people ignore"
>>722066836Nothing outside of dreams is dangerous really but it's not like geo is used for much otherwise
>>722066859it could literally just mean they were soulmates, not actually twins
>>722058450Monty Python reference
>>722064838>stay on the ceiling 90% of the time and wait for her to hand you a free hit>complain the fight takes too long and is boring because the you did something it obviously wasn't designed for>"using your moveset as intended"You might as well judge a Dark Souls 1 fight by how well it plays when you glitch arrows through the fog and shoot the boss to death. Are you retarded on purpose? Literally just play the fight like a normal boss instead of hiding in a corner. Lost Lace has multiple anti-air attacks she uses frequently (her jumping parry counter, upward slash, all the added Void moves from phase 2 onward) so your claim that she doesn't account for aerial mobility is a lie. You ran up a wall and hid there until you got a cheap opening, don't deny it.
>>722066969I'm not putting it past royals to be incestuousbut anyway that's what you get from poetry, multiple interpretations. I think the "conjoined" heart makes it even weirder though
>>722066859>Means they were conjoined and separated"entwined, apart" is denoted with a comma, not any conjunction of punctuation that suggest this is in any way a sequential statement. The comma suggests that these two states, entwined and apart, were simultaneous. You'd have a point if it said "entwined, separated", since "separated" could be construed as a verb. But "apart" is just an adjective, so it simply means that they were simultaneously spiritually entwined and physically apart.I don't ever use this phrase, but it really is just basic reading comprehension. Better get studying for your English ACT.
>>722067028yeah i just took it symbolically, not literally. The heart is conjoined because they were lovers/soulmates etc. I agree with the poetry having multiple interpretations, and could definitely see them being incestuous royals too
>>722066859I would also take it to mean they just happened to be born at the same time to different mothers and that somehow justfied their love, I can understand them putting faggotry in the game but incest on top of it seems a bit out there
>>722067075Entwined, apartBecause they were conjoined twins and slice apartEntwined, apartBecause they were soulmatesEntwined, apartBecause they were born entwined but are apart at the time of writing because they literally split apart from one another over disagreements on how to deal with the citadelEntwined, apartBecause one of them died (hence the reminder at the end of "forever cursed")Irony, you don't know it.What fucking retard doesn't know that things can mean different things.
>>722065363>Karmelita the hardestBut she's not hard at all.As long as you stay in the air a lot, her attacks mostly don't do anything at all.
>>722065839>meleniakek>sl1rollsloppers should stop with this bullshit and do a hardcore run like everyone else
bro
>>722065958Malenia is absolute bullshit but she's as vulnerable to overpowered cheese setups as most of the other major bosses in the game. It's when you fight her without somehow invalidating her mechanics that she becomes an infuriating hurdle to clear. Mohg is also a legitimate challenge (though he's a good one if you have the physick tear and 1v1 him) but he can be deleted in one Comet Azur cast by a meta build.Elden Ring has a lot of easy modes and that's a bad thing because people lean on easy mode as an excuse for how obnoxious some of its bosses are when fought on normal difficulty or higher.
>>722066092Phantom, First Sinner, and Silk really need hardmode versions.
>>722066527I forgot how much the previous game spoils you with currency.
>>722066527This is why it's always best to get Greed first.
>>722067126>I can understand them putting faggotry in the game but incest on top of it seems a bit out thereThere is a broodling who presumably births all flies in the game who sings and giddily talks about making new eggs so long as those big boys keep feeding her.Now, she probably literally means feeding, but breeding does tend to need at least one other male for the eggs to fertilize.
>>722066092I was too overleveled when I fought her, need to go to act 2 via the mist next time to get the real experience
>>722067126the faggotry is mega gay but twincest is so awesome it pulls it back to being alright
What's your bingo anon?
>>722067570Well that's more like how bugs work right and it doesn't really go into it the way you're thinking, the prince's relationship is more of a mirror to a human relationship and is basically his only characterisation. I mean it is entirely possible it's incest, I just don't see what it adds while with the faggotry they can be like "look at the amazing representation in our game"
>>722066735>*sigh*>another day in this forsaken silk nationalist shithole. why did verdania have to collapse? it was a verdant paradise... lush forests, crystal blue waters, and brothers in arms, sharpening our forelimbs by day, slaying travelers on the roads for sport, then retreating to our love nests at night for some hot mantis-on-mantis brother action. homosexuality had been normalized, mandatory even. incest was the real spice of verdania, my own partner was my brother from the same egg clutch... we ruled side by side, fought back to back, and fucked like our lives depended on it up until the end. we were a very progressive kingdom, ahead of our time. I genuinely don't understand how we could have ended up like this, how we withered and died so fast, a dead and forgotten land, leaving behind no legacy, nobody left to carry on our enlightened culture, how could we fade with nothing left... fucking religiousfags, it's all their fault...
>>722067709>"look at the amazing representation in our game"Anon the protagonist literally kills one of them and in her notes on the matter essentially says "Fucking weirdo, what the fuck was that about"
>>722066527the price wasn't bad consider you get to watch her poop it out , TC you sick fucks
>>722055989>white lady's black cousin>immediately rapes the first white woman he meets
vageena fora
>>722067779That's just your interpretation, most people do seem to think it's weird that she kills him but it's not malicious and certainly not because he was a fag. I mean I don't really give a shit, I suppose I'd rather he wasn't but I imagine some people will point out his inclusion as progressive, whether that's why they added him is another thing though
>>722067681bottom line is basically free
>>722067415You'll rack up money as you go. It is only when you have to actually buy back the charm you "gifted" that you'll be strapped for cash.
>>722067423I agree I think Malenia was harder than anything in Silksong or Hollow Knight.Maybe pantheon 5 was a little harder but not by much.
>>722067779her killing him isn't my interpretationAnd, she does heavily imply she sees his love as vain regardless of precisely how negatively she views vanity. It is worth noting that while she laments others, she has no lamentation for the prince or his love.
>>722068041for >>722067979
>>722068126I missed this whole dialogue because I died at the same time I beat him.
>>722057987>Zulu warrior womenThat's the hottest and coolest thing I can think on Earth. I really like Shakra
>>722057987Shakra is voiced by a white chick
>>722058347>Lace is Hornet's aunt
Wait, what is this and where do I get it?I'm in Act 3 and I still doesn't have this yet.
>>722069003Hunter's March, check for hidden walls in rooms near the bench
>>722069003Then you can find it off a merchant's corpse.Specifically, an ant merchant in the ant area. Near the top of the area there is a hidden merchant in that weird store room that had a bunch of barrels and shell shards.If you find that area earlier, you can buy it off of the merchant.
https://youtu.be/pFAknD_9U7c?si=VofpYOFMwQ9e9RK_It's interesting to see what stuff remained the same and what got tweaked, repurposed or cut.
>>722069154glad I forgot, because they fucking spoiled Pilby's death lmaoAlso harpoon was worse. Very glad they made it straight. I wonder why they changed Hornet to never shout like she did as a boss.
>>722069154Sherma's voice was atrocious there
>>722069154most cut zones werent deleted so much as shuffled aroundcoral area was basically sacrificed for the sake of the narrative and became a dungeonsimilarly it seems what is now wormways used to be verdaniaonly thing that seems to be really missing is that barnacle area, I cant seem to find a topology match for it anywhere
>>722069669Isn't it in Memoria and basically confirmed it's dead by now?
>>722056679Fuck is this?
>>722069735I don't think so? Memorium has:>moss grotto>marrow>shellwood>coral tower>verdania>that weird lightning anemones zone thats on top of sands of karak
>>722069735No, Barnacle Bay, not Coral Forest.
i know its a common desire after finishing the story.but the ending really made me yearn for a prologue. something semi comfy where you get to explore pharloom after everything, maybe even have it be the godhome section where you could refight bosses.sadly i know something like that could never happen because it would need to be content on the size of a chapter 4.making the whole map unsilken/unvoided and add new dialogue to most npc commenting on what happened after etc.plus add Lace wife to chill with you. all just to fulfill my fluff fantasy.
>>722070074EarthBound lets you do this, Silksong has no excuse.
>>722069957is the idea that the bay is a river of shit? why is the place dung themed.
>all these speculations about dlc bossesENTER
>>722070074You meant epilogue I assume
>>722070323yeah i meant epilogue im dumb.
>>722069416She stopped shouting because it's apparently a slur/taunt, and now she's way older and no longer a shitposter.Also, can you imagine how annoying it'd get to hear it throughout 50 hours of gameplay?
>>722070416I modded it in and have not gotten annoyed at all
>>722070189I think it's supposed to be a like sediments and minerals bound together by aquatic silk
>>722070131Team Cherry prefers short and desu fairly insubstantial endingsThat's their excuse. It's not a thing of budget or time, quite obviously, but preference.
Are crabs bugs?
>>722070654Don't worry, spiders aren't bugs eitherNeither are snails
>>722070654Are spiders bugs?Are crows bugs?
Barnacles are crabs....Lore implications, bros?
>>722067887What did the devs meant by this?Is there any straight relationship in this game? The Green Prince is a faggot and Hornet and Lace is a thing.
>>722070654everything is a bug in hollow knightexcept mr. mushroom
mr mushroom is like tom bombadil of hollow knight.so 50/50 if he is a pure joke character or some super important outer god that will have main story action in hollow knight 4 when it releases in 20 years.
Pinstress is a jobber. Full of the big talk then fought like an oaf. She really believes her own hype as well. There are a dozen bosses who would make mincemeat of her.
>>722071021Pinstress unironically took me more tries than lost lace. (more so of the fact that lace took me like 4 tries)
>>722067483its probably why they overcorrected with rosaries so hard honestly
>>722067681eotd?
>>722070280I don't remember this, where is it?
>>722057778silk hair would make sense considering her lineage
>>722071153>>722067483that was my takeaway.in hollow knight you can easily get to a few thousand just through main story stuff, plus much less to spend it on.so they overcorrected in silksong because having the player run around with 3k rosaries with no effort feels bad.
>>722062312
>>722071220Enemy of the Day
>>722070416she should have yelled SHAW at least 1 time, for the fanslike that other anon i modded it in and am happy with it 50 hours in
>>722070280>>722071269>>722069154https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS-v4NMQkBg
>>722071336That's even why they made Divine's charm upgrades so expensive. They knew people were just casually walking around with over 10k Geo and decided to give an insane money sinkhole for lategame players.
>>722060090>all these parries>on hunterwhat a god
>>722070074please i just want unvoided bellhart back
>>7220665272nd playthrough and onward I just hoard all my relics and cashed them out at the end so that I could easily unlock unbreakable strength. I never felt like upgrading the other two.
>Not a single moment as kino as this one in Silksong
>>722052941>redistribut the useful difficulty mitigation tools across early act 1 instead of late act 2>start the game with 6 mask, that way the first maks you get actually feels like an upgrade>give the option for a cheaper faster heal>include things like the fragile charms from the first game>remove the cap on shards, you never need them through the level, but start using tools during boss fights and you have a couple of attemtps before going back to farming>remove all merchants, hide the power ups you buy from them across the map where rosaries and shards are currently the only dissapointing reward for exploration>give hornet i-frames after taking damage, enemies can frame lock you and combo you dead in just one second>turn crest gimmicks into interchangeable charms instead of binding usefull utilities like the shaman stone to incompatible movesets like reaper which is the worst for silk harvesting>CUT DOWN ON RUNBACKS AND PLACE A FUCKING SAVE SPOT NEAR BOSSES>offer more means of repelishing tools mid level, that way players would be more inclined to use themHonestly, nothing but a complete overhaul could fix this busted difficulty curve by nowyou slog through act 1 starving for difficulty mitigation equipment or upgrades and then they all get dumped on you past mid act 2 which is when you get the cheese crest that pretty much trivializes the rest of the game
>>722071875Entering Citadel from the right side was more kino than this.I do wish they did cutscenes for every single area though.
>>722071512I actually never watched this trailer.>dream nail cuts the elder bug's head and the dreams pop out of itLmao
>>722069669>it seems what is now wormways used to be verdaniaYou can get to a small part of the verdania ruins, it's a hidden wall behind the prince in Grey moor
>>722071954>slog through act 1brother it takes like 8 hours at a slow pace exploring all the shit you can
>>722071954>turn crest gimmicks into interchangeable charms instead of binding usefull utilities like the shaman stone to incompatible movesets like reaper which is the worst for silk harvestingI'm now imagining wanderer with beast's bind or hunter's focus mechanic and it's absolutely disgusting
are you telling me there are motherfuckers that really went through all of bilewater + mist + Phantom just to not do the last judge?
>guys we are planning on doing a little dlc where you play as Lace in a lil side area coming soon!>several years go by>2035>hollow knight: silkborn
>>722072412You can go through Sinner's Road, well I did at least and that was before I even knew about Last Judge, I thought it was the right way to go, I'm lucky I didn't find Bilewater or I'd have gone there instead
>>722072412>all of bilewaterThe bottom part is pretty short
>>722053706>Would you like to donate some shards in order to fight a version of the boss with just a tinny little bit lower HP?ftfytools i shit, i stopped using them, the game trained me into ignoring them>get filtered by bosses>try to use tools, but run out of shards after a couple of tires>save my tools for phase 2 while practicing phase 1 needle only>make it to phase 2, dump all my tools on them for damage, get creamed instead because they just do not speed up the fight enough>try a couple more times, die, go to farm again>decide to hold off on tools on phase 2 until i somewhat mastered it with nail only>become so concentrated that i do not even think about tools anymore, just surviving and chipping away health>eventually score a pyrrhic victory after a prolonged battle of atrition that tested my patience far more than my skills, and feel nothing but relief that it's over and i won't ever have to do this again>realise i did not use any of the tools i had available, because every failed attemtp was punished with the tedious frustration of shard farming>come out ot of the fight less engaged with the game mechanics without imptoving my overall gameplay, but i did memorize the boss patterns at least>game is constantly reinforcing this tipe of conservative resource hoarding play, you learn to engage with less and less of it's mechanics as you move on
>>722072412nah you don't even step into bilewater to reach mist, theres a hidden wall on the northwest end of sinners road
>>722072412
>>722072643How would HK react?
>>722072658flea brew is nice but my adhd ass cant stand going wherever the fleas are camping just to get a refill. if you could get a free refill item like with lifeblood itd be the superior choice
>>722072412Dont you only need to go through the organYou need to open a shortcut from the other side to be even able to get to bilewater proper from there
>>722072412When I got to the Blasted Steps there was a platform above me at one point that I thought I needed a double jump to get, and because the music and the atmosphere there is so intense, I thought I had to come back there later. Then I went through Sinner's Road, the lower half of Bilewater, and then the Mist. Going through those areas with like 6 masks and theres only 2 or 3 benches along the way made for a very intense section of my playthrough. Phantom was pure kino, and so was entering the Citadel from that side, so I'm glad I ended up going that way. When I found out that I could've just gone through the Blasted Steps (I must have just missed an obvious path like an idiot), I went back down to Shellwood and did the more common route, and yes the Last Judge still kicked my ass but it was a great fight. I can't really choose between the two, they are both really cool paths with really cool bosses at the end, but I would probably pick Phantom just for the Mist. I had no idea that was even in the game, and it was by far the biggest wtf moment in the game for me.
>>722072482I would kill for this
>>722050226Man this game sucks.
>>722072225soi would have traded all my spells and tools in act one for a chance to get an item that allows for faster heal or longer nail or more powerful spells, or more silk harvestexploring means jack shit if you cannot find anything to make bosses filter you less
I NEED to fuck this bug
>>722058267Cute
>>722072658>threw 4 boomerangsstart again
>>722072896have you tried getting good, nothing in act 1 is hard aside from last judge and that isnt even that hard
>>722072645That wall can only be opened after you finish the Exhaust Organ
>>722071875honestly even though I liked the final boss in silksong, Radiance was still so kino in the way it was all staged, tons of shit happening one after the other>tragic fight with the vessel>hornet comes to help>dreamworld>radiance>void comes to help>ascending to the radiance while she laser beams us from above, with all the lost siblings ascending with us>finally catch her and bitch slap some sense into herin comparison the ending in silksong felt a bit underwhelming
>>722072919That is a human woman disguised as a bug.
>>722072976uh huh
>>722072986No you don't understand
>>722072976Nope, speedrunners have been going that way. I didn't see it, but you can just break that wall and go straight to the Mist.
>is casually the best tool by a huge margin.
>>722073051disagree
>>722073051your weavelight looks weird
>>722072978>When the Hollow Knight starts stabbing himself to help youAbsolute kino
>>722073051It's Weavelight and its not even close. Infinite Silk Skills and an almost instantaneous Clawline cooldown. I have it permanently in my Vesticrest next to the Magnetite Dice.
>>722070074I wish the game was comfy in general.
>>722072412Nah when i got to the mists i thought "yeah i'm gonna need an item to navigate this", fast forward 20 hours i remembered about it but i was already past the Cogwork Dancers.
>>722073051I remember it being the same in the first game, I just used the double healing and faster healing charm to tank through everything, I did the same with this one, as you get better you don't need it though but it's good for facetanking bosses and pretending you won through skill
>>722072978it's a really great ending sequence>HK starts out swordfighting, then as it starts getting beaten, infection globs start spraying out periodically>HK realises it's beaten and begins stabbing itself to let the new vessel take over, radiance starts seizing control and flinging HK's body around as a weapon>into the dreamworld, everything is super bright and serene>climb the platforms to see the sun in the distance, "Challenge" pops up>The sun unfurls and flies at you, RADIANCE fullscreen pops up as the music hits>the siblings section>the HK's shade rips Radiance's eye open as you go shade form and tear her apart>the siblings all rest
>>722072962In Hollow Knight you already have plenty of ways to mitigate the challenge of filter bosses like Soul Master before you meet him and the game still gives you enough margin of error so that you won't have to start the whole fight + runback again because you made a single mistake and got frame locked into a 2 hit combo that insta kills youIn Silk Song you need to learn a pattern and maintain it for a looooooooooong fucking time without mistakes slowly chipping away the bloated health of massive hitboxes in the small opening the show in between them dashing through the screen and killing you in 3 hitsit is mechanically imposible for the Knight to die as fast as Hornet can die in this game and all the items that could have somewhat mitigated the challenge of these early game filters were all locked past the middle of act 2
people really werent kidding.going back to hollow knight after silksong is a slog. the common fighter enemy in silksong is on the level of a mini boss in hollow knight in terms of complexity.
>>722073564Hollow Knight makes up for it in sheer SOVL.
>>722073169yeah you even feel bad for the knight because at that point he's so easy to beat and you're just bullying him (reminds me of Genichiro in Sekiro lol)+ the music change when he starts stabbing himselfhttps://youtu.be/ze0Rk-m0w2A?si=aD7daBcfIy_1sZOv&t=131
>>722073428You could also heal at any time, not just when you're 1 hit away from death
>>722073051>See this for sale>Seethe for a second at the thought that this could have been a collectible hidden on the map instead of some buyable item but whatever>inflated price, so i go farm>finally enough money, go and buy it without even reading the description, i just know it's a heal improvement>i am FUCKING STARVING for a cheaper or faster heal>item descritpion: heals one extra mask but it takes longer to heal>FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just finished the game at 92%.It's the GOTY for me.
>>722073720nah its always meant to cost 900 bucks. the faster heal tool is free though.
>>722066653Was the other prince even there to begin with or was he a single child with a cojointed heart and narcissistic tendencies?Think about it.If all Needolin dream fights take place in the past then why is there only a single Clover Dancer and a shadow?I don't think it's stated anywhere that you need to sacrifice the original to produce a Cogwork copy. Especially considering that there are two of them based on a single guy. What if both Cogwork Dancers were based on the original prince and he was so fucked up in the head he considered a mechanical husk to be his long lost brother?
>>722073720>>i am FUCKING STARVING for a cheaper or faster healthats literally a double heal for the price of one
I dont mind the 2 mask damage because i can heal for 4Or just not get hit
>>722059930>And mt. Fay might sound scary until you realize how much easier it is with double jumpSame goes for the Rasher. I didn't do it until I had double jump and it was a fukken breeze.
>>722073564nobody is complaining about the levels in Silk Song, with exception of runbacks which are always annoyingthe main complains are: >How fast every boss can kill you vs how long it takes to kill them>How often you need to heal vs how often you are able to heal>Any tangible power progrecion is only noticeable past the late half of the game>All useful difficulty mitigation tools and equipment are locked near the end gamelevels were an improvementexploration being dissapointing due to the only reward being rosaries is the only complain about levels
were they still just a couple of friends working on silksong or did they hire a full team for it?
>>722073324the challenge thing is kino
>>722073986Core team was three frens with some additional stuff like music, VAs, and some coding done by people they hired.
>crest of pain>does 1/2 damage overall>range like wanderer but without the speed boost>heal is only 2 hearts>pogo is in some fucked up angle
>>722054379Is the game really this big? I'm just here because I want to fuck the bug but all this shit sounds cool
I would have been fine with tools having like a quarter the capacity but not costing shit to refill desu.
>>722074052so was the art fren just the most talented person on the planet?id imagine at least for hollow knight only one guy was the art person and the other two did coding/music etc.
>>722073794>thats literally a double heal for the price of oneit's shitutter fucking shitwhat i need is a cheap heal i can cast often, every 4 to 6 hits, not every 9 to 10 hitsi also need a faster heal, a way to not get locked in place for a whole second of vulnerability while i healTHIS TURD HELPS NOTHINGwhat's the point of healing one extra mask when i got only 6 and everything still kills me in 3 hits?the game is still forcing you to chose between playing dangerously 1 hit away from death or wasting silk ineficiently to heal as soon as you get hit oncean extra mask does not help nearly as much as to offset how much a longer charge hinders you
>>722073836G*mers are just retarded. It's just a cleaner way of divvying up the damage than having half-mask damage, but because it isn't exactly that, they start screeching about """double""" damage.
>722052941> WE DID IT, REDDIT!
>>722073669I think the second part of Sealed Vessel is much better used in the Path of Pain, where it gradually brings more instruments in as you get closer to the end.It's almost a shame First Sinner's cutscene is just in the Slab because that would've been the perfect thing to leave at the end of a Silksong Path of Pain
>>722054340Naked bug cute.
What the fuck do i do in the Mist
>Beat act 3>Get thisYou can't be serious
>>722072829>the music and the atmosphere there is so intenseI too miss the Chozo aesthetics and vibes of Metroid
>>722074364Use sneedolin and follow butterflies.
>>722065084Holy schizo
>>722074427The music here really reminded me of Prime
>>722067741There are fuck tons of eggs in the buildings in Verdania. They have a whole nest. The princes were gay homos, but their subjects clearly were not.
>>722074173all art is one guy, Arnold Gibstein
>>722068126
>>722074413That's just Mr Mushroom, isn't it?>>722072829The main thing with the Blasted Steps route is that you're taking the same journey the pilgrims do, and it also includes (usually) getting sucked into the underworks at the start of act 2 to see what the "successful" pilgrims have awaiting them as a reward. For that reason I'm glad I did it that way first, even if Phantom is a cooler fight and sneaking in feels way more cunning.What's coolest is that they actually let there be more than one route in.
>>722073564Hollowknight has way better music and atmosphere than silksong but yeah you feel so slow compared to hornet.
>>722074413>Hollow Knight 3>the wacky demigod siblings get pulled over and arrested for possession of Void by the Steel City niggas>features Castlevania 3-esque hero switching between Lace, Hornet, and the Hollow Knight
>>722073786I assume the point in time we're shown in Verdania is after the other prince was sacrificed, but before Verdania fell. When you meet the prince around the place it sounds like he's reminiscing about their time together.
>>722074413thats the mr mushroom ending. i figured its a joke, like taking the mushroom ending so serious they will put a to be continued like its an action movie
>>722072780On replays I just leave them in Greymoor until I absolutely can't put off moving them anymore for Act 3. As long as you never talk to Mooshka they won't move.Also cool seeing a completely full circus in each location.
>>722074714>Steel City Void Policeproblem with this is I can already see how it goessteelfags are incredibly smug about how the void is their bitch, but the protagonist's meddling causes all their safeguards to fail and they get gigafucked by the void getting free
>>722067979Well taking the Prince's heart in place of one of the other hearts would be ultimately beneficial because his environment is fully gone while the others are still being sustained by their rulers.
>>722074714>Reach Act 3>Our heroes are unconscious in the Abyss>THE GOAT appears
>>722067591There's another way than the mist?
>>722074714It's either going to be dlc or an expansion for silksong. I don't think people are going to wait another decade for a third game.
>>722067709>I just don't see what it addsTwincest is based. That's what it adds.
>>722074932Khann's domain is also goneKarmelita is completely tapped but I suppose she has some breeding years left in herNyleth is ironically the most valuable one left while also being the one you care the least about
>>722073051meh
>>722075196>>722075196>>722075196
>>722075161They're not as gone as Verdania which is just grey walls, Sands of Karak still has native vegetation and creatures and Far Fields are still populated. NOTHING remains of Verdania, not even a flower.
>>722073794>>722074207it's 1.3~ times actually, not 2
>>722071513They need that in silksong too. Having just gotten to lost lace, I have 4000 rosaries on me, full stacks of the two types of strings you can buy and shard bundles, and I never broke the bigger strings you find.Let me buy Sherma something.
>>722073596>>722074696These. I think Silksong is a vastly better game, but Hollow Knight had a much better world. Each area was a bit more distinct and fleshed out, the music had more presence and was generally richer, and the story had a lot better direction to it. I also get that part of the issue is: Silksong has to follow up the first game, and a certain amount of the world is forced to be structured based on people's expectations from that, rather than what best fits Pharloom as an original idea (and in the few cases where it did prioritize how things would be in Pharloom instead, like the limited availability of Rosaries vs Geo, players complained), so in most cases it'll inherently feel a bit weaker, but there's also a distinct sense of them not trying enough regardless. Take the Bell Beast for example: I understand they HAD to include it as an equivalent to the Last Stag, but the Last Stag had a ton of world building surrounding him as well. We hear a lot about the Stag Paths and his role in Hallownest society. Conversely, do we ever get a proper answer for what the Bell Beast even was, why it was strung up in Silk, or why/how the Bellways exist? The Beast clearly had to fill some role for the Bellways to be gated the way they are, but I don't remember seeing anything about it, unless it's in some log in the ass end of nowhere.
