Because in the early 2000s, fake Christians (Americans) would throw a fit and demand your game be censored and destroyed for featuring Christianity or offending their feelings by featuring 2 seconds of a side boob silhouette (this happened with Mass Effect 1's Liara romance scene)
And now the same is true because American Christians are incapable of creating anything worthwhile
The best you'll get is vaguely not!christian settings, these usually coming out of Japan where American Christians lack influence

>>722058589
>fake Christians

The only real Christians are the ones who are exactly like me. God is an extension of my will. I am the most important person ever. Now start worshipping me.

>the more traditional Christian view where the perfect, all loving entity also allows absolutely horrific shit to happen but it's also not his fault in any way

>>722058589
Oh c'mon now, they were Athetistic Jews 100%, you know this was the reason.
>>722055662
Well, there's Blasphemous and Witchfire which take a lot of cues from Christianity especially occult/catholic type of sources.
>Souls-Likes.
Yep, too bad we are stuck with that genre as the norm.

>>722058654
American spotted
Shouldn't you be calling video games the devil and demanding they be censored like your Christians have been demanding since the 80's in the satanic panic?

>>722055662
>what is Satan
??

>>722058790
Do you blame the parent for a thing an adult child still does and punish them as well as the adult or do you just punish the adult who wronged when they should've known better?

>>722055662
Because.

>>722058842
>you know h-haha
no I don't lol, you xkeks cope hard.

>>722058849
Everything I don't like is the devil. Everyone who won't serve me is the devil. Everyone who won't be me is the devil. I am the only saint in a world of sinners. Me. Me me me me meeeeeeeeeeee.

>>722059028
>The Jew comes out slinging when called out with the christcuck/kikeonastick argument.
This isn't the 00s, you were the one spamming that shit because its taught to you to hate on Christ 24/7 by Talmud and that Jesus is in hell boiling in excrement and you should curse his name constantly. Go fuck yourself. Thanks for playing yourself, lmao.

>>722058894
>Do you blame the parent for a thing an adult child still does
A lot of mindless "people" do unfortunately

>>722059338
Only in case if the child is a retard and has a legal gurdian (you).

>>722058589
Well I don't see how you can have traditional christianity and coombait at the same time, but I do agree with you about how evangelical Christians would piety signal about how evil such a game would be.
>>722058790
How does God allowing people to use their free will to do wrong things God's fault? It doesn't even make sense to say God is evil since evil in Christianity is a separation or absence of God, as a result God can not create evil as that would be against his very nature.
>>722058842
If you want to look at the reformationists, in their rejection of Rome, they became more Judaized and even delving into alchemy.

>>722059171
dude there are comics of christians hating your hobbies, essays, I've personally seen actual religious think and act like that, and your cope is, straight-up "we can do no wrong ever", you're r e t a r d e d
>jews do a lot of stuff, so...even though it was done by us, what if it was them? we can do NO wrong, all of that didn't happen

>>722055662
>something like Warcraft
Made by americans whose pagan mythology is basically rewritten by evangelicals Bible which tells them to worship Israel.

>>722059424
>Delving into alchemy.
Stretching it.
>Muh catholics actually good.
Nah, we don't abide by a Church that changes doctrines every week, God's word is either eternal (protestant doctrine) or malleable by human hands (catholic/jewish/muslim.)
>>722059436
Sure there are crazy Jews locked up in a psych ward believing they are the Messiah, your cope?

>>722055662
How would that work? I mean where would magic come from? Are you talking about a whole game where just fight devils with a sword? Been done before , boring as hell (yeah , pun , deal with it)

>>722055662
>No video games, fantasy like Christianity
>Xenoblade 2 existed, and Xenosaga.
Also, don't forget all those conservatism Christian moms who will throw a tantrum every time.

>>722059154
yep this is exactly how all christcucks act all the time, just without their usual self-righteous pretense. the jew worshippers in this very thread are the proof.

>>722059591
>Sure there are crazy Jews locked up in a psych ward believing they are the Messiah
why are you blaspheming against your saviour

>>722059591
>there are crazy Jews locked up in a psych ward believing they are the Messiah
What are you talking about? I don't care, you're the one bringing up jews. I'm not saying it applies to all Christians, but a lot of them were hating your hobbies back then. Not sure why you're deflecting.

>>722059492
In the New Testament, the Church would be considered Israel.
>>722059591
I'm not Catholic at all, but I think it's funny you would say Protestantism doesn't change doctrines every week when the entire reason why there are tens of thousands of denominations is entirely because everyone thinks they can start their own church and base dogma on their own personal interpretation.
When one protestant thinks baptism actually regenerates and the other thinks baptism is symbolic, how do you know who has the true understanding if they both read the bible and came to different conclusions?
How do you even know which texts are truly God's word or which isn't? Historically there were many fake gnostic gospels and many early theologians had different canons, how do you know you have the right canon and what basis?

>>722059760
>just without their usual self-righteous pretense

I'm a public servant of the internet. My job is to wash the bullshit away. Someone's gotta do it.

>>722059760
>Act like the scum of the earth.
>Blame religious people instead of themselves when called out.
That's the Jewish behavior every single time, you can notice their rat like ways online when they think nobody can notice. Only Jews care so much about Christianity that it lives rent-free in their head.

>>722059876
>>722059882
>Trust me, I'm totally not a Jew.
The Messiah already came, there's no second one, the Jews still believe he's coming for the first time. See the contradiction? Either way you lot are insufferable, it will be good when isreali assets will be frozen like they should.

>>722059591
>Sure there are crazy Jews locked up in a psych ward believing they are the Messiah

Which begs the question: what's the difference between a madman and a prophet?

>>722061058
Christ fulfils the prophecies in the Old Testament, especially from Isaiah. Modern Jews reject Christ not only because of their own hypocrisy but they also thought the messiah would overthrow Rome and would be a worldly leader.

>>722061165
Not all of them, and for whatever reason the cope excuse for this I always get from people is "he did fulfil those ones but in the future"

>>722059591
>Sure there are crazy Jews locked up in a psych ward believing they are the Messiah, your cope?
Not that anon but the easiest way is to kill them. The real Messiah would bring Himself back to life.

>>722061165
Wrong answer. You want to know what the difference between a madman and a prophet actually is? The audience.

>>722058654
Literally me.
>>722058849
The Satanic Panic is the most overblown event in modern history, barring the Red Scare. Both didn’t go far enough clearly. We have mothers and daughters whoring themselves out on Onlyfans.

>>722061210
Which one do you think Christ hasn't fulfilled?
>Inb4 talmudic interpretations long after Christ had already came.

>>722059626
I wasn't asking a 1 to 1 representation for Christianity, even something resembling Christianity with some creative liberty is not really something I see often.

Okay, y'know what, there's a question I want to ask, and I want you to really think before you answer, because the answer you give is going to say a lot about what kind of person you are: what makes a god a god? Which quality, or qualities, does someone have to possess to be considered a genuine, bonafide deity?

>>722061971
God in Christianity is an uncreated being that is outside of time and space, who is unoriginate (does not come from something else) and is not made of any parts. There is no greater god than God.
It's a good question and is honestly one I would aim at pagans because there isn't actually anything concrete they can say that makes something god perhaps mere worship or being more powerful than others.

>>722062265
Here are a few more questions for you, then: if you were to tear down all of a god's churches, burn all of that god's holy texts, and kill everyone who believes in that god or even knows their name... what would be left of the god? What is a god who no one even knows exists, let alone worships? What happens to a god when they are forgotten? And how many gods has that exact scenario happened to throughout our history? How many gods have we forgotten in total?

>>722062265
>It's a good question and is honestly one I would aim at pagans
I assume you're limiting this scope entirely within norse reconstructionists and neo-druids.

>>722062425
Well if God really does exist which is what your question presupposes, then Heaven would necessarily exist and the second coming would happen, so the saints, martyrs and many others who tried to be repentant would be alive in heaven with God. Especially since Christ descended into Hades and defeated death, because Christ is the Godman, his resurrections heals all of humanity.
I'm not trying to avoid your question, but in the Christian paradigm there is such a thing as an afterlife so it's not like God can be forgotten.

>>722055662
Several reasons.
In the West christisnity had been avoided like a plague because various christian fanatics had sued and screamed left and right when someone else except them had been doing their advertisement.
In Japan all gods are welcome as long as they become just a part of Japanese religion through "kami"-fication. Like voodoo, but in high-tech country.
Arabs don't make videogames.
Australians are deutschlanders 2.0 in terms of censorship.
Christianity itself goes against violence while Pagan pantheons are full of various aspects of fighting, warring, hunting and other action. This leaves Christianity severely limited in genres choices - best possible being quests/point-n-clicks and visual novels, as those could engage through either humor, mystery or emotions without resorting to violence - and these genres are highly niche - thus no attention from servants of Mammon.
Next thing is that creative people as well as tech people tend to be able to think for themselves thus either not joining any religion or going with their own personal beliefs.

>>722062668
>Well if God really does exist which is what your question presupposes

It depends on your definition of "exist". Any god can only be said to exist as long as there are people who know of that god, believe in them and actively worship them. So here's my most important question: what makes you think that your god will never meet the same fate that countless other gods met?

>>722062531
Perhaps there are some pagans or far eastern religions that can give a more concrete definition of god, but I would still say what makes God 'God' is that he is essentially the ultimate being so to speak, he is infinite and not created by something else, he also isn't subjected to anything else at all.
Even God isn't subject to logic, although I would clarify and say God is supra-rational or 'beyond rationality', rather than irrational, in a sense logic is bound by God's character rather than the other way around.
>>722063140
I do think you are on to something, although I would say Christianity isn't a pacifist religion, self defense is justified and so is defending your nation which has what happened historically.
>>722063190
God has an actual existence though, he isn't just a social construct or a concept in the human mind. Again the question doesn't really make sense if the Christian worldview is true because if it is, then God existed eternally even before creation itself existed, so God's being is not tied to whether his creation knows him or not.

I'll try to answer your hypothetical which is basically what happens if no one believes in the Christian God or all Christians are killed, I come from a Orthodox background where church authority is part of the faith. If hypothetically there is less than 2 bishops, then it would be impossible for new clergy members to exist since it requires 3 bishops minimum for someone to be ordained as a deacon, priest or bishop. That would be a defeater for Orthodoxy since Christianity could no longer spread to all nations as apostolic succession (a lineage of clergy which can be traced back to the apostles).

But like I said, if Christianity is true, I think the second coming would happen long before that hypothetical scenario would happen.

>>722063526
as apostolic succession would seize to exist*

>>722063526
>God has an actual existence though, he isn't just a social construct or a concept in the human mind.

That's what they all thought too. Their belief was just as genuine as yours. And look what happened to them in the end.

>>722055662
persona 3?

>>722064159
How is that supposed to be an argument against Christianity or the existence of God?
Imagine if I posed a hypothetical where everyone has been brainwashed into thinking 2 + 2 = 5, does that make it true because everyone believes in it? Of course not. So why should I make consensus the basis of truth for the existence of God?

>>722064387
Don't you get it yet? Don't you understand the grand cosmic truth? The gods need us more than we need them. Mortals without gods to worship are still mortals, but gods without mortals to believe in them are nothing! If the Christian God is all-powerful whether or not mortals believe in Him, then why would He even need mortals at all? Because that's not the case at all. Gods need belief and worship in the exact same way that people like you and me need food and water. And there's a proven way to kill gods: starve them to death. Your god has the exact same metaphysical dietary requirements as every other god that has ever been worshipped.

>>722064948
>Your god has the exact same metaphysical dietary requirements as every other god that has ever been worshipped.
You keep trying asserting this, but can you back up your claim, where in any dogmatic church councils or scripture is it stated that God needs us metaphysically to survive? Again if the Christian worldview is true, then this claim is a fundamental misunderstanding of God's nature. If he is an eternal being and created all of the universe from nothing, how is he dependent on us? If anything, creation is reliant on God for us to exist.
>If the Christian God is all-powerful whether or not mortals believe in Him, then why would He even need mortals at all?
He doesn't need us at all, he created us out of Love. If you want to argue against Christian theology, at least take the time to understand what Christians actually believe rather than assert your beliefs and argue against that.

>>722055662
Because Christianity is real and therefore not fantasy.

>>722061848
Hmm , there a lot of RPGs based on Arthurian legends. Ma6be that's more up your alley

>>722065178
>You keep trying asserting this, but can you back up your claim

Yes, I can, because as I already said, humanity has worshipped and forgotten countless gods, and your god is ultimately no different in the long run. He's enjoying a hot streak, but it won't last forever. God is what people believe Him to be, but if there was no one left who believes in Him anymore, he wouldn't be God anymore, he'd be just another forgotten idea. In a way, us mortals are stronger than any god. We give them form through our belief, we define who they are and what they can and can't do. And as a mortal, you don't have to worry about vanishing in a puff of smoke if no one knows you exist. Your existence is far more stable than your god's. That's the catch of divinity: a god is only as powerful as people think they are. They can only ever be what people believe them to be. And they need people to believe in them, or they don't exist.

>>722065457
>Yes, I can, because as I already said, humanity has worshipped and forgotten countless gods, and your god is ultimately no different in the long run. He's enjoying a hot streak, but it won't last forever. God is what people believe Him to be, but if there was no one left who believes in Him anymore, he wouldn't be God anymore, he'd be just another forgotten idea. In a way, us mortals are stronger than any god. We give them form through our belief, we define who they are and what they can and can't do
Can you actually demonstrate any of this? You keep making metaphysical claims with no justification at all, while I am proving to you that God in Christianity does not have the attributes that you are claiming generic 'gods' have. If you can't provide a logical account for your claims, there is no use talking to you any further because you will keep mindlessly asserting your assumptions which I do not grant at all.

>>722065661
Actually I don't really have the time to engage with someone who isn't really a good faith interlocutor. If you want to know more about my view, look at Eastern Orthodox theology, the teachings of the 7 ecumenical councils, the palamite council and the transcendental argument for god (TAG). These show that the Church historically does not hold to an absurd view that "God requires human thoughts to have existence" that you keep trying to posit.

>>722065661
>You keep making metaphysical claims with no justification

Look who's talking. When you're talking about gods, it all comes down to metaphysics and what people believe. Belief empowers gods, but it also binds them. The truth is, gods are just living ideas, and they're not fundamentally different from any fictional character. God and Santa and Superman have all outlived millions of people despite having no direct physical presence in the world, only reflections of what they're supposed to be. They're more real than us, and we're more real than them.

>while I am proving to you that God in Christianity does not have the attributes that you are claiming generic 'gods' have

You're not providing any argument that couldn't just as easily apply to literally any other god. Everyone wants to believe that their god is the One True God, but everyone can't be right. If two armies go to war, both thoroughly convinced that their respective gods will ensure their victory, then who's right? Whoever wins. History is written by the winners, after all. If things had gone differently, Christianity would be a minor sect that was quickly stamped out in its infancy, and what would your god be in that world?

>>722055662
Because the only games where Christianity is presented accurately are low budget games made by christcucks more interested in trying to spread their bullshit than making a good game. The desire to spread their bullshit takes over the development process and they are unable to make anything entertaining.

>>722055662
Final Fantasy XI

boomers did more harm to christianity than the romans ever did

>>722066018
>You're not providing any argument that couldn't just as easily apply to literally any other god
Actually, how can you? Is Zeus the creator of all things? Is Zeus uncreated? No.
If you are actually a good faith interlocutor, you would realize most pagan deities have a completely different metaphysics than the Christian God.
>Everyone wants to believe that their god is the One True God
Actually, most pagans don't really hold to this type of belief, if anything most pagans are perrenialists. If you look at the Roman empire pre christianity for example, any belief in god was acceptable so long as you accepted the Emperor as some sort of deity. Many non Christian religions are syncretists, meaning they will pick and choose whatever parts they like about other religions and incorporate it into their own. Most other religions are polytheists so they don't believe in "One true God".
>If things had gone differently, Christianity would be a minor sect that was quickly stamped out in its infancy, and what would your god be in that world?
I keep asking you to demonstrate this assertion that "God is imagination" and your answer is to assert the very thing in question, do you not see how you are engaging in circular logic?

>>722066281
Unironically true, mainline protestantism is on the decline and zoomers want to join a "spiritual but not religious" or other new age groups, all because of religious trauma.

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>>722066418
>If you look at the Roman empire pre christianity for example, any belief in god was acceptable so long as you accepted the Emperor as some sort of deity. Many non Christian religions are syncretists, meaning they will pick and choose whatever parts they like about other religions and incorporate it into their own.
Which is the best way unlike your subhuman Jewish desert cult and it’s tyrant kike god.

>>722055662
I'm not a Christian but i feel Christianity has a simple premise "life is full of suffering and if you do X you might not suffer as much, also you can go to heaven" but in a world where most people don't suffer and in video games where conflict in the primary medium its values aren't very meaningful. There's a reason its all about Greek and Pagan mythologies, because they have a bunch of fighting and pointless drama

>>722066927
I find it ironic that you would accuse Christianity of tyranny when forcing people to believe the Roman Emperor is God is itself tyrannical.
What a good way to prove my point that the pagan worldview doesn't hold to what is actually true based on metaphysics and epistemology but rather relativism and might makes right.

>>722055662
>evil is seen as a privation of the good and has no ontological status itself
This isn't the defining characteristic of Christianity, which is rather the morality that professes the equation of victim and God (slave morality). Almost every popular work of art/piece of media also professes this morality.

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>>722067134
Your subhuman desert cult highjack a successful civilisation and replaced all its great wirings with subhuman desert scribblings costing us 95% of the writings of antiquity. You dead kike on a stick worshiping rats jewed your way into power and then forced polytheists to convert a sword point closing temples and making ancient practices punishable by death.

>>722067092
Part of the Christian ethos is bearing your cross, we might actually be called to do something that would make us suffer. Of course you could argue that the reward is paradise or being with God, but someone who is addicted to their lust for example has to suffer with resisting their temptation rather than giving in to it.
I think characters that willingly accept suffering is usually a good premise to a story.
>>722067295
Slave Morality arises out of Nietzche observing the christianity of his time period, a concept that didn't exist for hundreds of years of human history. However, evil being seen as the privation of Good, it is found both in scripture and is one of the most common arguments against gnostics.

>>722055662
because it's an rpg not a Christianity simulator

Christianity simply reached its expiry date the same way other religions it toppled and replaced did. They had a good run.

How do pagans reconcile the fact that the European nations were at their strongest under Christianity rather than the "old gods"?

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>>722055662
Modern Christian theology is lame as fuck and very hostile to classic mythologies with multiple gods and shit. Its way too rational. Fantasy settings tend to be, you know, FANTASTICAL, and so they draw from mythology and folklore in a way that's incompatible with Christcuck autism.

>>722067386
If perennialism and relativism is true, then by this logic what ground do you actually have to reject Christianity or Judaism? There wouldn't be any reason yet you are mad because your faction and sect lost.
>Muh culture
>Muh writings
Under pagan ethics, why should pluralism be preserved? Why should multiculturalism be preserved?
>>722067667
Well its funny how they will say Christianity is bad because its weak, yet pagans lost to Christians, so shouldn't by their own logic be Christian since they are stronger than the pagans?

>>722067667
European nations got strong everytime they expelled jews and tard wrangled christians into submission.

>>722067667
>Britain, America, Germany, Russia all claim to be descendants of the Roman Empire
>they all already entered into a state of terminal decline after their peak around WW2
Meanwhile the Roman Empire lasted for more than a fucking thousand years.

>>722067676
Honestly, this is the reason why I am not Catholic or Protestant, they are very rationalistic and scholastic about their faith.
While Eastern Orthodoxy do have rational and intelligent theologians, it is understood that you know God not through the intellect and knowing syllogisms but through the soul which is sometimes referred to as heart.
A clinically retarded person can know God even if they struggle with theology, there is an actual spirituality there that isn't legalistic autism.

>>722067667
European nations were all stuck LARPing as the Romans for centuries while geocoding each other over differences in how they practiced a foreign religion just because it was adopted by the Romans they wanted to be.

>>722067713
Pagans converted to Christianity. It wasn't a military conquest but a dialectical process.

>>722055662
That's Platinism, not Christianity. The church had people killed for Platonism.

>>722067907
This resulted in a disgusting amount of local deviations from the Christianity of the ones converting them, making pagan gods and mythological figures retroactively turned into fictional saints, as well as adopting the local pagan holidays and festivals on the condition they graft a christian element onto it. European Christianity was reluctantly a syncretic affair.

>>722055662
Because Christianity is boring, is devoid honor and heroism.

>>722067837
I don't know much about Orthodoxy but that does fall in line with what I have seen in Dostoevsky's works.

>>722059424
So what's God plans with cancer and shit like that?
Free will and mysterious ways?

>>722055662
>cucktholic thinks his polytheistic """trinity""" cult is christianity
Fuck off.

>>722067764
So did its german successor.

>>722068063
foreskin divination will reveal all.

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>>722067676
CS lewis and tolkien came up with rich and vivid mythologies in large part because of that complete void of Christian ones if it isn't going old testament retelling. You have stories of the saints, but they are almost all uniformly just tales of great suffering and imitation of Christ's sacrifice. Channeling Christian themes into storytelling is great though because of how much they underpin our collective cultural yadda yadda yadda you know what I mean.

>>722066927
I've been reading about the reformation and dovetailed with Christianity's absolute schizophrenic insanity after it finally got in charge it gets into this demented hyper-zealotry over the most insane theological issues. It's not big dick questions like the nature of evil, it's something as banal as transubstantiation or the nature of the trinity which was sufficient to lynch and massacre eachother. You could do pic related with
>Islamic history be like: Muhmad bin Muhmad disagreed on who should be supreme Caliph. There was a brief and violent civil war and everybody was raped (including the victors).
>Christian history be like: Faggus of Dickopolois proposed that the Father enjoys grapes while the Son prefers hummus and the Holy Ghost would be content with either. For this heresy he was flayed alive while having red hot razors rip pieces of his flesh to then be force fed to him. The True Sublime Righteous Church then adopted the Faggus of Dickopolois position in 1653 January 22nd after his martyrdom in 1653 January 19th.


Still want Pike and Shot TW for that really great intraChristian civil war fighting though.

>>722068014
Arthurian Legends was also probably derivative of Norse mythology. And even Christianity itself is based on Semitic Paganism.

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>>722067713
>If perennialism and relativism is true, then by this logic what ground do you actually have to reject Christianity or Judaism?
Multiple polytheistic religions have tried to make Abrahamic religions part of their pantheons only for Christfags to scream and chimp out.
>Under pagan ethics, why should pluralism be preserved? Why should multiculturalism be preserved?
While you should allow other gods to be worshiped your native gods and traditions always come first that’s why the Romans were ready to put the kibosh on foreign sects if they got out of hand.
>Well its funny how they will say Christianity is bad because its weak, yet pagans lost to Christians, so shouldn't by their own logic be Christian since they are stronger than the pagans?
Christians are losing to mudslimes guess Islam is the true and stronger religion then

>>722068128
Not holy, not Roman, not an empire.

>>722058790
Personally I blame the demiurge and his servants.
You know the ones I mean.

>>722058842
>Oh c'mon now, they were Athetistic Jews 100%, you know this was the reason.
Holy shit this revisionist history

>>722068340
Ordained by the Pope, literally held Rome, literally dominated Europe for centuries. I get that french faggot was mad his people were historically punching bags until an italian diaspora came and wipped them all into shape, but to take his retarded takes seriously nowadays is quite silly.

>>722068281
>Arthurian Legends was also probably derivative of Norse mythology.
Seems a bit odd considering they're culturally quite far apart. At that point we're probably speaking of pan-European narrative themes really

>>722068278
Tolkien knew quite a bit about mythology so he had many potential inspirations there. His mythos is unique tho since it does draw a lot from Christianity. But he also has multiple deities and tons of direct references to Norse mythology.

>>722068035
Indeed, Dostoevsky was an Orthodoxy Christian and Orthodoxy absolutely influenced his writings. I would say Orthodoxy has the right balance of arguing what is true belief while also stressing the importance of the practice of the belief. What is the point of knowing high iq theology if you live an unrepentant life and not love your fellow neighbour?
>>722068075
Saint Ignatius is one of the earliest people arguing the Trinity and this was way before Constantine came into power.
>>722068296
>Multiple polytheistic religions have tried to make Abrahamic religions part of their pantheons only for Christfags to scream and chimp out.
Again, why ought I accept perennialism as true?
>Christians are losing to mudslimes guess Islam is the true and stronger religion then
1. I am making an internal critique of your argument, I don't hold to might makes right at all. I believe Christianity is true even if it isn't the most common religion because I don't base the truth on number games.
2. No the muslims aren't winning, even in the west where Christianity is declining (which I dont hold to protestantism or catholicism), I wouldn't argue islam is winning at all.

>>722068484
>I get that french faggot was mad his people were historically punching bags until an italian diaspora came and wipped them all into shape
What flavor of anglo are you?

>>722068530
Worse, he's a g*rman

>>722068484
The city if Rome became a goth hellhole after the Germoids destroyed it (multiple times).

>>722068527
If you are not from a traditionally orthodox culture, you are just being a hipster.
Catholicism does all of that.

>>722068493
Well Indo European heritage is common but I am talking about people saying that King Arthur has parallels with Thor.

>>722067434
>a concept that didn't exist for hundreds of years of human history
A concept not existing at a point in history does not necessarily imply that the phenomenon also didn't exist at that point in time. Nietzsche was simply first to grasp the true, anthropological essence of Christianity (slave morality), owing in large part to his particular historical circumstances.

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Lords of the Fallen II is pretty much Old Testament capital G God vs. Satan, with pagan savages on the fringes of society. Of course, the Church is evil, but they're not nearly as evil as the Satanists who are allied with actual demons, perform human sacrifices, and inhabit what is basically Bowser's castle.

>>722055662
>Good and Evil are two opposing forces
that's how most people view Christianity, Good vs Evil = God vs Satan, gtfo with your ummmm ackshuallys nobody gives a fuck beyond that

>>722068281
Arthurian Legend is a welsh epic about killing the invading angles, saxons and jutes.

>>722067764
Not to mention that the holy gods had been worshiped at least since the time of the Mycenaeans if not the Minoans and help mankind create some of the greatest civilisations in history. So that’s around few thousand more years you can add to that.

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>>722068821
>and inhabit what is basically Bowser's castle

>>722055662
>fantasy resembling something like Christianity instead of Pagan mythology
Dragon Quest
>Even if there was a captial G god, it is unlike the trinity in Christianity.
you said resembling, not a 1:1 copy

>>722068652
I wasn't born EO but neither Catholic or Prot (and no I'm not a hipster). If you don't think Catholicism is more scholastic than the east, I have no idea what to tell you, I don't even think this is a controversial claim, neither is it controversial to say Catholicism is more legalistic than EO.
>>722068726
>A concept not existing at a point in history does not necessarily imply that the phenomenon also didn't exist at that point in time
That is true, but my point is that Slave Morality is a result of Catholicism deviating after the great schism and the reformationists rather than being there from the start of Christianity, while evil having no ontological status itself is actually fundamental to early christianity.
I honestly don't disagree with Nietsches observations, I earnestly don't think you see that in Eastern Orthodoxy though, I think christ cuckery is a real concept and you only have to look at the modern Vatican say things like "build bridges not walls" or the Anglican church arguing we should call God a He because it would be offensive to modern people.
Meanwhile nations like Russia, Serbia and many parts of Eastern Europe were fighting against Islam and the Mongolians, they did not have a Christcuck mentality that you see where people act holier than thou or virtue signal.
Is there an aspect of being obedient to God in Eastern Orthodoxy? Sure, but I wouldn't necessarily reduce that to slave morality simply because there is a relationship between a master and someone subservient.

>>722055662
Christian mythology is not interesting and doesn’t lend itself well to a fun epic.

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>>722068527
Because that’s how the great civilisations and empire have operated Greece, Rome, China, the Egyptians etc.
We all worship our gods together and thus our faiths can work together civilisations improve by the exchange of ideas and reach common ground.
Unlike the Aperahamics who have been killing each other in civil wars, terrorists attacks, crusades and inquisitions for thousands of years.

>>722068830
Which is more like a cope about losing to said invader and incorporating their culture.

>>722068504
The stories Tolkien drew on were also (frequently) Christianised stories that incorporated pagan myths into a Christian whole.

>>722068693
>King Arthur has parallels with Thor.
Such as?

>>722069319
Grok it.

>>722069361
Suck it.

>>722069126
It's not about whether it's more or less intelectualized based on whatever arbitrary definitions you have, it's the fact you are straight up saying something wrong.
>What is the point of knowing high iq theology if you live an unrepentant life and not love your fellow neighbour?
Maybe you were thinking of some specific protestant denomination, but catholicism is very much about practice as well, a claim like that is nonsense and clearly motivated by wanting to be part of the very special Christian sect that is the best one ackshually just because it feels more exotic or you got captivated by its aesthetics.

>>722069281
The influence from Norse mythology in Tolkien is pretty obvious. What I wonder is if he took inspiration from other mythologies from the rest of the world, haven't seen a lot of people explore that idea.

>>722069274
But the English adopted Arthurian legend after it migrated to France and came back to Britain when their Norman ruling class were established as English royalty.

>>722068830
>the invading angles, saxons and jutes
who, it should be pointed out, had a lot more in common with the Norse

>>722061262
>We have mothers and daughters whoring themselves out on Onlyfans.
Not Satanic, retard. This is why no one will ever take you seriously. Because you call everything you don’t like Satanic. Unless someone is literally explicitly saying “I worship Satan”, they’re not fucking Satanic

>>722069126
Eastern Orthodoxy is also, fundamentally, the worship of the victim-god, just with more medieval trappings. It's just a slightlym earlier, more primitive form of christcukery.

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>>722069218
This, good video-game settings need a lot of potential for interesting conflicts, that's why cyberpunk, post-apocalypse and medieval fantasy are some of the most popular settings, dnd has dozens of wildly diverse Gods scheming and fighting against each other, that's fun and interesting, a Christian setting had 1 perfect good guy God and everything bad is somehow the fault of the bad guy, but there isn't even any stakes because he can't possibly win anyway.
You can't make a fun game out of Christian mythology, it's too rigid, you could have a game where Christianity exists in the background like KCD.

>>722069617
"Norman" in an English cope, Guillaume and his buddies were French aristocracy, who spoke French and hated the actual normans, just do an internet search for "harrying of the north" to see what they did to the actual normans.

>>722069240
Yeah, I cannot believe that war only became a thing when Christianity took over.
The philosophy discussions that Romans had with Gauls? Or a steady and tranquil relationship based on equality that Egypt had with other cultures? Something truly lost to time.

>>722069474
If Catholicism was about the practice, why do they fast less during Great Lent than Christians did historically?
Why do they deny communion to infants and children when this was done historically?
Why do I see Catholics mock the practice of hesychasm which is praying without ceasing?
Is there mysticism in Catholicism? There is, but the problem is that it has devolved into emotionalism and has become overly sensual, Stigmata's were not present in the first millenium at all as one of many examples.
>>722069974
Christ wasn't just a victim though, he actually defeats and conquers Death, he plunders Hades. Does this sound like a God that is weak and effeminate? He wasn't helplessly killed, he willingly underwent a human death for our sake, he easily could have chosen to not die.

>>722066418
You know what? Read the book Small Gods. You'll understand then.

>>722070110
I would count that paganism at least for me gets offputting just because of the sheer bloat of number of gods. Like I can't keep track of the Faerun gods because that shit is like LGBT coming up with a 57th new gender of the week. Even the 12 in Eorzea and I only remember the standout big-enchilada options like Azeyma or Thal (because of his balls). What precise number is debatable, but at a certain point you get too many pagan gods for any player except the autists who love to memorize stuff going "Fuck it".

If I thought off the top of my head then Zeus, Hades, Poseidon, Hera, Apollo, Artemis, Ares, Athena, Aphrodite. 9. Hephasteus was at the edge of my recollection and I can think of more like Dionysus but the big 9 or below the big 9 is more what people will remember. Some of this is also the kind of mythos since with the norse it's Thor, Odin, Loki and then maybe a few others. With Egypt it's Isis, Horus, Ra, Set, Osiris, then you get into headier territory with Baset or Thoth. I wager there's an actual science to how many of a category people can generally memorize, but I wanna say past 9 is very much pushing it since at the point of 8-9 planets you need a mnemonic like My Very Excellent Mother Just Served Us Nachos (Phaggot). I agree with you on the sense of conflict though.

tl;dr is polytheistic faiths in fiction need to really not add too many gods.

>>722070123
Bro there's a difference between "Norse", "Norman", "Danish", and "Scandinavian" that you're failing to appreciate here.
William was from fucking NORMANDY
I'm not even sure what you think the cope is, here

Christcucks can't create anything, only destroy.

>>722055662
Because game makers are not about your mythos. They are about theirs.

>>722070424
Those were not wars of religion so it’s not the same and eventually those wars were resolved whereas Aperahamic sects still kill each other like chimps to this day.

>>722070610
That's not fair to the many creative Christians throughout history, I think. Modern American fundamentalist "Christians" are a plague upon mankind, however. They destroyed Christianity, in fact.

>>722070123
Who do you think were the ancestors of the French?

>>722070576
I don't have the autistic need to to memorize every detail about a setting, in fact it being too large to be taken entirely in one's mind is part of the appeal.

>>722055662
Fear and Hunger has a Jesus Christ analog and seems very Christian inspired

>>722055662
Christians still haven't settled on a worldview. In Christianity, Satan is the prince of this world, has an army of demons, and acts as a separate, fully-fledged, independent force, like Ahriman in Zoroastrianism. The world is evil, it's better to leave women alone, sell property, live in communities—that's what the early Christians preached. Then this merged with the Roman religion and imperial cult, and the result was who knows what. Christians killed the Cathars and Gnostics for their dualism, while in all seriousness they were looking for Satan everywhere and killed people for suspecting their connections to Satan, that is, as if God could not defeat demons without people. Schizophrenia. Schrödinger dualism

>>722068527
>Saint Ignatius is one of the earliest people arguing the Trinity and this was way before Constantine came into power.
And he is as wrong and polytheistic as the cucktholics who follow his example.

>>722070723
>and eventually those wars were resolved
The First Crusade is still ongoing?
Someone must have not informed the popem

>>722070983
Wars between Christians and Muslims are still going but way to take me literally.

>>722070938
Gnostics deserved it for being fucking cringe.

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>>722055662
Warcraft 3 and by extension WoW is fanfiction

>>722070576
The Bible doesn't even deny other gods. God creates the world with the help of the Elohim. They quite easily act as gods in this world; perhaps people deified them themselves, even though they didn't want to, though of course there are those who claim they are true gods. Nevertheless, Christian lore is rather mediocre because it's built on the premise that all pagan gods were fiction or demons, that 99% of the planet worshiped who knows who, and only the Jews knew the truth. Besides monotheism, there were no differences from Roman rituals, like Jews killing animals, burning them, performing strange, almost magical rites, exorcising a goat by placing sins on it, etc.

In essence, monotheism is the path to atheism. All pagan religions are reduced to fiction, myths, or that they god were all demons, and you fall into a trap: what if the Abrahamic God was also fiction or a demon? Will the Absolute require circumcision of penises or animal sacrifice?

>>722071223
The Gnostics were based

Bro your dragon quest?

>>722070938
Anti-Christ is Christ's dark consciousness that is sick of doing his work for you.

>/v/ can have a civil debate about any topic besides video games (and maybe American politics)
Why is this the case?

>>722071397
>another bunch of escapists
>based
lol no

>>722071335
Atheism can arise in relation to any religion and has no contradictions with any religion.

>>722070938
You realize there are many church figures that argued against the gnostics prior to Constantine right?
>>722071335
>exorcising a goat by placing sins on it
Animal sacrifices prior to the talmud wasn't a blood sacrifice to satiate God or somehow shifting the blame onto an innocent animal, it was a righteous offering and an act of repentance.
Lowercase gods often refers to false gods and idols, but sometimes it might refer to theosis, becoming partakers of the divine nature or becoming like God not through a change in human nature but through God's grace and communion with him. Apotheosis is the opposite, it's trying to be like God without God.
>In essence, monotheism is the path to atheism. All pagan religions are reduced to fiction, myths, or that they god were all demons, and you fall into a trap: what if the Abrahamic God was also fiction or a demon?
That doesn't follow, God is metaphysically different from false gods which is why you can apply the same argument against polytheism to the Triune God.

>>722071861
can't apply*

>>722059424
>Well I don't see how you can have traditional christianity and coombait at the same time
Same way you have it IRL.
Christianian take on reality is merely one. Actual Creator clearly saw differently.

>>722066418
>If you are actually a good faith interlocutor, you would realize most pagan deities have a completely different metaphysics than the Christian God.
No.
Core is the same.

>>722070426
>he actually defeats and conquers Death
By being btfo'd by Jews and Romans
>"Even though you killed me, I still win :^)"

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>This entire thread

>>722072286
Is that Jesus (Jewish man) being picked up by the radar?

>>722070426
>Christ wasn't just a victim though, he actually defeats and conquers Death
Death is ultimate, and is by nature unconquerable and unstoppable by very God's design.
>he plunders Hades.
Greek domains are under Greecian jurisdiction ONLY, also by design.
>Does this sound like a God that is weak and effeminate?
And this is a non-related gripe, weakness =! effeminate.

>>722072187
>Somehow created 'gods' is somehow the same metaphysically as an uncreated God outside of time and space
Explain this contradiction if they are both the same.
>>722072395
>Christ wasn't just a victim though, he actually defeats and conquers Death
God didn't create death though, death is a symptom of Adam and Eve turning away from God. Also God is life, if you think God can't heal people from death, then you think death is even more powerful than God, which is why your pagan nonsense doesn't actually make any sense.
>Greek domains are under Greecian jurisdiction ONLY, also by design.
Word concept fallacy, Hades does not refer to Greek mythology.
>And this is a non-related gripe, weakness =! effeminate.
Yes it does, are you seriously going to tell me effeminate people are strong?

>>722072347
that kike is included, just like you.

>>722072595
>Explain this contradiction if they are both the same.
Intelligent design is as equal for created as it is for uncreated, and all those gods have their own uncreated origin, because all human myths share it, whether they are native to this planet, or not.
You scoff at things that vastly exceed your scope.

>>722072801
>Intelligent design is as equal for created as it is for uncreated, and all those gods have their own uncreated origin, because all human myths share it
How is something that is uncreated "designed"? That is a contradiction.
Also, if everyone says something is true, does that make it true? No, of course not. That's a fallacy.
Why do pagans not know how to do basic logic? Flowery language and baseless assumptions is not the same as presenting an argument

>>722055662
Christianity and Zoroastrianism is the same.

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>>722062265
>If the only difference between man and god is power, then we need you not

>>722071861
God isn't real tho

>>722073213
No, Zoroastrianism is a dualist religion so they're pretty different right off the bat. Sure, they have some superficial shared monotheistic tendencies, but to say they're the same is just not true.

>>722072595
>God didn't create death though
Death IS GOD.
>Adam and Eve turning away from God
This is simply an interpretation of seed conditions of particular reality's particular human history process. It's important, but it's pretty mundane.
>if you think God can't heal people from death, then you think death is even more powerful than God
Death IS GOD. These are similar Things. Do you think creative principles of reality need to jump hoops on their own enterprise?
What do you think this is, a cosmic lover quarrel ala Supernatural?
>which is why your pagan nonsense doesn't actually make any sense
Like how Christians dance around the subject of what the Apple is? Of-course things won't make sense when you don't bother with it.
>Word concept fallacy, Hades does not refer to Greek mythology.
Hades is born solely from Greek mythology. Whether unified Underworld or multiple, a thing is a thing.
>Yes it does, are you seriously going to tell me effeminate people are strong?
If femminite people are, then logically yes. Females are ultimately equal to men, by design, as they are meant for each other. They simply express it differently, and this material universe has its own laws.
If you ever assumed females are lacking by nature, you've been psy-opped, congrats.

>>722073424
Christianity is a dualistic religion.

>>722073142
>How is something that is uncreated "designed"? That is a contradiction.
Easily. You apply incorrect take of incorrect logic to actual divinity, and more importantly, to meanings necessary for intelligent design. How can a corpse self-resurrect? So it is the same here.

>>722067667
The fact that Christians did not conquer by using Christian principles or virtues, they used brutal Pagan and Jewish principles and war tactics while waving crucifixes.

Christianity was only ever a disguise for the same conquerors and rulers that previously touted Ra and Baal

>>722073424
Zoroastrianism doesn't even have the same type of God, these people think monotheism automatically means all generic "omnis".
>>722073624
>Easily. You apply incorrect take of incorrect logic to actual divinity
Name all the three laws of Logic
>How can a corpse self-resurrect?
Because Christ is both God and man, not just a demigod or a superhuman, he underwent a human death but because he has a divine nature, he is able to resurrect himself.
Because he is just as human as we are, he resurrects all of humanity in his resurrection. There is no contradiction here because God has the power to heal and resurrect, Christ is a divine person with an uncreated divine nature and a created human nature, both natures have distinctions however they are both united in one person.
Do pagan gods have this same nature? No, they are creatures themselves, so saying they are both a creature and not a creature is a contradiction.

>>722055662
Because it's a fantasy game, not a reality game.

>>722055662
Most Dragon Quest games have a pretty Christianity-adjacent religion in them, 9 even takes it a bit further with the child of their God equivalent sacrificing herself to save the mortals

>>722073506
Prove it.

>>722073142
>Also, if everyone says something is true, does that make it true? No, of course not. That's a fallacy.
But if an old book says its true, and you like the way it sounds, then it obviously is?

>>722074812
Thankfully my argument isn't "Bible is true because bible says its true".

>>722074878
So what is your evidence of Christianity's truth that isn't in the Bible? Where are your sources or observations of the nature of God outside of those texts?

>>722067764
If everyone kept larping as Romans then why did they want to destroy their empire?

>>722074261
>Name all the three laws of Logic
Existance states, A=A, non-contradiction.

Name any atypical and/or alien logic, proselytizer.
>he underwent a human death but because he has a divine nature, he is able to resurrect himself.
This can easily be not a true resurrection, but rather just an extended biorepair.
If he died truly, and properly came back, then Christians just use miracles as a stunt prop for apes.
A stunt prop, implications of which you still don't think about.
>Because he is just as human as we are, he resurrects all of humanity in his resurrection.
All pantheons have their own areas, Most High too. Humanity was never made to just die, and neither is anyone else. Reincarnating ones in particular likely have words to say about this.
>There is no contradiction here because God has the power to heal and resurrect, Christ is a divine person with an uncreated divine nature and a created human nature, both natures have distinctions however they are both united in one person.
Either can be as logically bound or unbound, and be either, as deemed necessary. Contradictions are irrelevant to creation power.
>Do pagan gods have this same nature?
Naturally. They are still family, some at least. Their myths are simply different, some don't carry the same eschatological themes, so it's never brought to your attention.

>>722074952
I'd make the argument that the only coherent worldview and the possibility of truth itself existing requires a transcendent God that is able to reveal himself to his creation.
While atheism, unitarian religions, polytheism and far eastern religions devolve into incoherencies such as human minds not being able to ground universals, polytheism just being another form of cultural relativism, far eastern religions thinking reality is illusory, etc.

Why has no megachurch made a Bible-based gacha game yet?

>>722075181
>incoherencies
Skill issue.
Some boys like emo girls, son. Some like to brood.
Surely you didn't think that the world of children growing adult and making more children for ever will be of one mind on anything, Christian?

>>722075181
>I'd make the argument that the only coherent worldview and the possibility of truth itself existing requires a transcendent God that is able to reveal himself to his creation.
Okay, I'm waiting

>>722075104
Anon, you easily could have looked it up and you fucked up even one of the laws of logic, it's the law of excluded middle.
>This can easily be not a true resurrection, but rather just an extended biorepair.
>If he died truly, and properly came back, then Christians just use miracles as a stunt prop for apes.
>A stunt prop, implications of which you still don't think about.
How does any of this follow? I know you don't know logic, but come on, can you string together a sentence properly. How does him properly dying follow into stunt props? If Jesus truly died, then he also truly told us to spread the gospel, so your argument doesn't even make any sense.
>All pantheons have their own areas, Most High too. Humanity was never made to just die, and neither is anyone else. Reincarnating ones in particular likely have words to say about this.
What has that got to do with how Christ resurrects all of humanity? Again what you are saying doesn't even follow.
>Either can be as logically bound or unbound, and be either, as deemed necessary. Contradictions are irrelevant to creation power.
So in the pagan worldview, something can be A and not A (created and not created) at the same time. Remember why I asked you if you know about the laws of logic? How is a created being not bound by logic? If you can accept illogical things, then you can't argue truth.
>Naturally. They are still family, some at least. Their myths are simply different, some don't carry the same eschatological themes, so it's never brought to your attention.
So Zeus for example has a human and a divine nature? Do you even read what you are saying?
>>722075614
Specifically the Christian God is the basis for knowledge as universal concepts such as numbers for example require a universal mind to ground them in, human minds are not universal or infinite. God has to also be able to reveal himself otherwise he would be completely unknowable...

>God was perfectly willing to reveal himself to people and send angels to talk to people on the regular in "Biblical times" and tell them exactly what's up
>For the past 2000 years he is nowhere to be seen while his religions have splintered into a thousand pieces and are all at war with each other with the threads unspooling more every day

I can already see the argument of
>oh we can't see him because we turned away from him
But doesn't that seem like the best time for him to show up and correct course for us ignorant mortals?

>>722075946
No Anon, truth doesn't exist and you've deceived yourself into thinking otherwise

>>722075614
>>722075946
In Orthodoxy, we can't know God through his essence as that is completely unknowable, however we can know God through his activities or his energies. For example, God appears himself as a burning bush to Moses which is an energetic manifestation and not Moses seeing God's nature. Even in the incarnation, that is the Logos (the second person) being visible and truly human, we can see Christ's human nature and his divine activities like walking on water but not his divine nature.
Meanwhile in Islam or modern Judiasm, God can't enter the world otherwise it would be seen as God becoming unperfect and he is incapable of being in time and space. If he is incapable of such a thing, then how do we know we are truly interacting with an uncreated being at all instead of a creature? Under this view, it would be impossible for God to present himself as a burning bush.
The reason why atheism would be false meanwhile is that they have metaphysical assumptions that contradict itself, for example many atheists are materialists but believe in concepts like the laws of logic. Well if the only things that are real is something with material substance, where do you find the laws of logic in physicality? In order words, atheists accept the very thing that contradicts themselves, like immaterial logic even though they are materialists.
I have explored many different worldviews and they just make silly contradictions like this, while I think Orthodox Christianity has a coherent worldview.
Like I said in one of the previous posts, far eastern religions like buddhism deny the self and think reality is illusory, well if that premise is true, then that premise is also illusory, therefore being a self defeating position.

>>722076506
>for example many atheists are materialists but believe in concepts like the laws of logic
Laws of logic are perfectly material, based in material cause and effect. A ball rolled because something moved it or its environment moved under it. Logic is based in classical physics at the very bottom, just applied to Human behavior.

>>722076769
Where under a microscope do you find cause and effect? Is cause and effect located inside the ball? What is it made of?

>>722076506
>For example, God appears himself as a burning bush to Moses which is an energetic manifestation and not Moses seeing God's nature. Even in the incarnation, that is the Logos (the second person) being visible and truly human, we can see Christ's human nature and his divine activities like walking on water but not his divine nature.
Okay but these things did not happen

>>722077368
1. Can you prove that since you made the positive claim it didn't happen?
2. That was just an example of the bigger point which is God has to be personal and be able to reveal himself in order to be the basis of knowledge while Judaism and Islam can't reveal themselves

>>722075946
>law of excluded middle.
>>>>>>>>>>"Existance states"
What is reading comprehension? And there can be any middles one wants anyway.
>How does him properly dying follow into stunt props?
Are you incapable of filling gaps or reaching [unstated] conclusions in dialogues with actual sapients? You're not as good at your own logic, then. Conversations don't necessarily run on gentlemen's agreements.

It follows so easily, because resurrection is partially a mechanical repair operation. If he didn't die properly, the mise en scene is a farce.
If he've died properly, then Christians have failed to recognize the actual value, and its lack, of the act, and failed to assess that other myths share the same mise-en-scene by meaning.
Much like they don't understand the purposes behind their ideal, it seems.
In the long term, that has resulted in subordination while missing the point and failing actual moral providence of humans - emotions.
>If Jesus truly died, then he also truly told us to spread the gospel, so your argument doesn't even make any sense.
There is no "us", and not all people care or are in any mythos you know. You've simply picked up ideas of others.

Corpse self-resurrection question was a rhetorical one.

Whether or not your gospel, being a socio-political cybernetics tool to ensure virtues survive stressful times, - was made by Rome or Creator, - has no bearing on implications that were already known by one name or another.
Uncreated and created, mere 2 logic concepts out of incomprehensible bizarrity beyond man's comprehension, exist in the same sandbox of ethical standards, and The World is a big place.

Hence the stunt prop - the implication that flashy showiness, albeit with some substance, - explicitly thematic substance, is all you really care about. You don't really understand your own mythology's concepts. You simply adhere to a social position.

>>722077570
>Can you prove that since you made the positive claim it didn't happen?
lol
Don't make me bust out the teapot
Anyway your entire argument is circular reasoning that assumes the existence of God

>>722077701
>What is reading comprehension? And there can be any middles one wants anyway.
You are actually retarded bro, please look up what the law of excluded middle is, I'm not doing your homework for you.
>Are you incapable of filling gaps or reaching [unstated] conclusions in dialogues with actual sapients? You're not as good at your own logic, then. Conversations don't necessarily run on gentlemen's agreements.
Nigger, I am not going to demonstrate your own argument for you.
>It follows so easily, because resurrection is partially a mechanical repair operation. If he didn't die properly, the mise en scene is a farce.
Yes if Christs death was an illusion, then his resurrection would be a farce
>If he've died properly, then Christians have failed to recognize the actual value, and its lack, of the act, and failed to assess that other myths share the same mise-en-scene by meaning.
No that doesn't actually follow at all.
>There is no "us", and not all people care or are in any mythos you know. You've simply picked up ideas of others.
Let me guess, you also don't think there is a self right? Get out of here with this nonsense.
>Corpse self-resurrection question was a rhetorical one.
No it actually shows you don't know what the law of non contradiction is.
>>722077703
So you can't actually prove that the burning bush is false?
Also how is it circular logic to say God is the necessary pre-condition for knowledge to exist?
Do you think Modus Ponens is an invalid argument? Because that's what my argument is.

>>722077570
Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence
Saying burning trees don’t talk isn’t hard to believe

>>722075946
>What has that got to do with how Christ resurrects all of humanity? Again what you are saying doesn't even follow.
It follows so easily too. The "All of Humanity" wasn't necessarily in actual danger unless it was.
Ancient Celts did not fear death because they reincarnate all the time. And that's just them.
You simply, once more, apply Christian cognition and meaning, or more specifically, a selling spiel, to Non-Christians.
>So in the pagan worldview, something can be A and not A (created and not created) at the same time.
It can be so in your God's view too, you silly goose. That's what actual Omnipotence is.
Do you really not know how actually eldritch all they are? What humans are?
>So Zeus for example has a human and a divine nature? Do you even read what you are saying?
Family as in what the concept of family is by nature isn't similarity in stature.
At any rate, humanity is divine, both actual and in certain myths.

Feels like most game devs don't have the balls to touch on religion period, hell a fucking dune mmo/survival game came out last month and the story of dune is heavily about religion yet the game had none.

>>722078083
>So you can't actually prove that the burning bush is false?
lol
>Do you think Modus Ponens is an invalid argument? Because that's what my argument is.
It's not, actually. I mean, modus ponens is a valid argument; your argument isn't that. It contains an implicit assumption which is the same as its conclusion.

If we assume for a second that God does not exist, and therefore, as you think you've proved, truth also does not, and then you read in an ancient book that some tripping goatherd heard a burning bush talk to him, and you falsely think that is true... would you not believe the exact same thing you do now?

>>722078174
I never said a burning tree talked. So explain how the burning bush didn't happen.
>>722078408
>It's not, actually. I mean, modus ponens is a valid argument; your argument isn't that. It contains an implicit assumption which is the same as its conclusion.
Heres the syllogism
>If knowledge is real, then God is real
>Knowledge is real
>Therefore God is real
Where exactly is the problem in the syllogism?
>If we assume for a second that God does not exist, and therefore, as you think you've proved, truth also does not, and then you read in an ancient book that some tripping goatherd heard a burning bush talk to him, and you falsely think that is true... would you not believe the exact same thing you do now?
It's a good thing I didn't assume God exist and demonstrated how he is necessary, by saying atheism (ie, not God) fails to provide an account for knowledge, like >>722076769 being unable to explain where logic is located physically.

>>722078083
>You are actually retarded bro, please look up what the law of excluded middle is, I'm not doing your homework for you.
Re-read "existance states" once again, "logician".
>Nigger, I am not going to demonstrate your own argument for you.
If you put in this much effort to talk about esoterics, yet are unwilling to do basic human conversation things, why do you even bother talking about it to begin with then?
>No that doesn't actually follow at all.
Try thinking about it some more.
The original point in this post chain was your failure at actual logics in the context of created in >>722073142, and in not comprehending uncreation paradox.
>No it actually shows you don't know what the law of non contradiction is.
And this is what you really don't get. True resurrection does not follow classic human logic. It is irrelevant what can be, or can both be and not be, this is possible but not subject relevant.
Reality doesn't operate on theological arguments.

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>>722078761
You are so painfully retarded, I even told you the error and you still persisted in it. You think illogical things can happen and be true so I see no reason talking to you anymore.

>>722079005
True... or false.
1 or 0...
Existance states.
Get it yet?

>>722078672
>Where exactly is the problem in the syllogism?
The first premise.
If I say that the world would not exist if Odin had not shaped it from the body of Ymir, and you asked me to prove it, and I pointed to the existence of the world, would you accept that?
>It's a good thing I didn't assume God exist
I asked you to assume the opposite for a second.

If the world is inherently illogical and truth does not exist, then you believing utter nonsense like Gods would also make sense, right? I mean, you're already reduced to "well you can't prove it *didn't* happen" so I don't know why I'm still talking to you as if you're a rational being to begin with.

>>722079147
So a being who is not omniscient, is a finite being and has a limited mind can be the grounding for universals? Not possible.
>I asked you to assume the opposite for a second.
Why would I grant you your assumptions especially when it has the bad faith tactic of implying I am just assuming my position to be true? If God isn't true, then the events in the bible isn't true.
But my argument isn't "God is true because bible is true". My argument is that God has a mind to ground universal categories such as numbers and logic as an example, while the atheist worldview cannot ground these categories as they will assume the very thing they reject such as immaterial concepts in their materialist worldview.

>>722079615
You do not understand materialism or atomism in the slightest.

>>722079615
>So a being who is not omniscient, is a finite being and has a limited mind can be the grounding for universals? Not possible.
You assume this is necessary.
>Why would I grant you your assumptions especially when it has the bad faith tactic of implying I am just assuming my position to be true?
Why wouldn't you? You're scared.

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>mfw we don't get call of duty clones because of patents
>mfw some faggot out there has all the religious shit patented

>>722079847
I accept your concession, I have tried to engage with you honestly while you continuously avoided my arguments. Have a good day.
>>722079979
I don't assume, I prove that it is necessary, a finite mind can not be the ground of universals, for example your mind can't be the grounding for logic as it precedes your mind. If it can't be in grounding in a finite mind, then it must necessarily be grounded in an infinite mind which is the christian God. If logic can't be grounded, then you have epistemic nihilism which means knowledge is impossible which is completely incoherent.
>Why wouldn't you? You're scared.
I actually did grant it to you anyway for the sake of discussion
>If God isn't true, then the events in the bible isn't true.
>But my argument isn't "God is true because bible is true". My argument is that God has a mind to ground universal categories such as numbers and logic as an example, while the atheist worldview cannot ground these categories as they will assume the very thing they reject such as immaterial concepts in their materialist worldview.
Ironically, you're scared to engage with me while I have tried to be fair and answer all your questions.
Tell me why I should keep going if you are going to be disingenious?

>>722080364
>If it can't be in grounding in a finite mind
If it can't be grounded in a finite mind*
Anyway I am going to bed because I am too tired to write properly.

>>722080364
>I accept your concession, I have tried to engage with you honestly while you continuously avoided my arguments. Have a good day.
Not making any arguments is an argument you're skilled at too, self-evidently.
Clearly you're not disingenious at all.

>>722080364
>I don't assume, I prove that it is necessary, a finite mind can not be the ground of universals, for example your mind can't be the grounding for logic as it precedes your mind. If it can't be in grounding in a finite mind, then
... maybe it's not grounded in any single mind

>>722078672
You don’t prove negatives. Burden of proof lies on you, otherwise it’s just blind faith

>>722080786
if logic cant be grounded, then you have no epistemic justification for logic, which is a defeater for the possibility of knowledge, which is self contradictory.
>>722080852
Saying something didn't happen or is faked is a positive claim, he made the positive claim that it wasn't real so he actually has the burden of proof.

>>722081065
>if logic cant be grounded
That's not what I said.
Your argument is still self-contradictory. Indeed, if logic were false, and led you to false conclusions, how would you know?

>>722055662
Sandnigger religion is boring. I don't care about a fucking jew that lived in a desert and caused so much brain damage to the Romans that the western world went to shit since. If we were still pagans we would've exterminated the Jews and the Arabs by this point.

>>722081185
If logic can't be grounded in a single mind, then it can't be grounded as it can't be grounded in physical objects, it can't be grounded in multiple finite minds. What other possibility is there? Multiple infinite minds? So you are a polytheist now? Come on.
>Your argument is still self-contradictory.
You keep asserting this but can you demonstrate it?
>Indeed, if logic were false, and led you to false conclusions, how would you know?
If logic is false and lead you to false conclusions, then there is no possibility for knowledge. If human mind can't be the basis of logic, then logic is false therefore you can't know truth.
Thank you for proving the necessity of a transcendent being that is all knowing and unchanging in order for logic to exist.

>>722081521
>If logic is false and lead you to false conclusions, then there is no possibility for knowledge.
You're very close, but I have to say, refusing to make the last logical step is wonderfully self-demonstrating.

>>722081683
I notice you are being smarmy and yet again, not actually demonstrating how I am wrong. Whatever this is a waste of time.

>>722080364
>I actually did grant it to you anyway for the sake of discussion
Oh my eyes actually glanced off your post here
No, you didn't grant it at all, you completely failed to follow the argument