>3 weeks until releaseDo you think it'll live up to expectations?
Seeing how low those expectation are now?Still no
>>722069059I mean the original is dogshit, I cannot imagine it will be any better
I expect shit so yeah
>>722069059I expect it to be dogshit, so it will likely fulfill that. We've already seen that it is not even a RPG, just some actionslop.
>>722069214>TCR >managing to do actionslopx for doubt
My expectation is that it's going to be one of the best RPGs ever made. So... maybe?
>>722069059I actually expect it to be as shit as everyone thinks, this is gonna be "The Day Before" tier, marketing being smug up until to the minute it is out and then it will be torn to shred because it is barely playable garbage.
>>722069059I'm optimistic. I like the snowy gloom city aesthetic. As long as they keep roleplaying choices rolling throughout the game and a few factions to choose from it will be a solid 7/10. Won't hold my breath for every quest having non-combat solutions, the original only did this for half of the game.
>>722069059I don't think people even remember it's actually releasing this year
it's going to be mediocre but normies will play it and forget about it after a week.To me, everything just screams generic : the combo, the plot, the characters. I feel like anybody can guess the story and where it's heading from the few tidbits they threw out because they surely believe that one plot twist will cover their asses.The only good that came out of this game is the fact that I started another playthrough of the real vtmb game.
>>722069758>To me, everything just screams generic : the combo, the plot, the characters. I feel like anybody can guess the story and where it's heading from the few tidbits they threw out because they surely believe that one plot twist will cover their asses.What plot twist?
>>722069758>I feel like anybody can guess the story and where it's headingWere there any games within the last 20 year where that wasn't the case?
>>722069437It's not even an RPG.
>>722069875that you, the player, were gay all along
>>722069930literally no one expected the emperor in bg3 anon
>>722069945It's an action RPG, which is the best kind of RPG.
>>722069930I'd say that Nier Automata was pretty good in this regard but then again it didn't use the retarded Hollywood-style WHAT A TWEEST twists either.
>>722070161Isn't that because BG3's plot is a pile of incoherent reshot bullshit after they removed Daisy?
>>722070170There are no meaningful RPG choices outside of what the "Press X for Awesome!" Button actually does. It's not an RPG. It's just dishonored wearing a VTM skin suit.
>>722069059Considering most people expect it to suck I think its got a good fucking chance of being shit.
>>722069059I expect it to be shit and i wont fall for paradox psyop that is being run here
>>722070305Explain how it's different to Mass Effect 2. What does it lack as an RPG?
>>722070161>I didn't see the Daisy shit coming miles awayI need to stop overestimating humanity
Paradox are likely lifting the embargo on the 17th, four days before release. Let's be very realistic here. It's going to review very well. They know they have an absolute banger on their hands.
>>722069059My expectations are low. So yeah, i think my expectations will be met.
>>722069125>>722069214>>722069197>>722070370>>722070407>>722070863Can you explain why you think the game is going to be anything other than amazing? All the footage looks absolutely fantastic. Where is the negativity coming from, considering the game has literally zero red flags?
>>722069059Yeah, the expectation of it being dogshit
>>722070969>dev hell>sticks with "vamp cant touch icky gunmetal" buillshit from some already laid-off trooner despite loud claims they dropped everything but assets>not one really hot bitch shown in a damn vamp game>bipocfaggot dev railroader in your headNo redflags here saar
>>722071312>>dev hellThe cancelled Bloodlines 2 was in dev hell, not this one.>sticks with "vamp cant touch icky gunmetal" buillshit from some already laid-off trooner despite loud claims they dropped everything but assetsWhat are you talking about? The shitty cancelled version let you hold guns. It sucked, of course.>not one really hot bitch shown in a damn vamp gameLou, Ryong, my wife Safia.>bipocfaggot dev railroader in your head????
>>722069059$0.001 Got deposited on your $hill account.
>>722069059no, ppl expect mediocrity but i doubt it'll manage that.mostly because despite most of the pieces seeming semi-competent, none of them seem to connect in any way with each other>>722070779>>722070969kys pajeet
>>722069059It needs to have sidequests and city exploration.
>>722069059>Do you think it'll live up to expectations?Well everyone and myself expects it to be shit and I think the game will have no problem living up to those expectations. This fucking mess of a game has been restarted like 4 times and it looks so shit.
>>722069059Already ruined my expectations with the pronouns shit
Budget Dishonored with vampire powers
It will be a mediocre Dishonored clone with DLC out of the wazoo, shitty to mediocre writing at best and probably run like a turd.So yes, it will live up to my expectations. But maybe I'll play the original again. Tgat game was fun
>>722071767It has both. Has nobody ever played the original Bloodlines? It's like that. It's not exactly a complicated type of game to understand.
>>722071943Where is the shitty writing and bad performance? Youtubers have played hours of the game on PC. Where are the problems? Why are we talking like there's some mystery here?
>>722070216I like that game but the main twist was heavily telegraphed and predictable
>>722070647>What does it lack as an RPG?30gb unreal slop.
>>722070647Mass effect 2 is a cover shooter with dating sim elements
>>722072072Wait, so we're mad that it's a super optimized 30GB open world game? Would we prefer it was a big bloated 100GB thing?
>>722072134And? It's the most popular Mass Effect for a reason.
>>722072029I don't care what a bunch of paid shills think about the game.
somebody post that image with all the cut features. i'm too lazy to type up an effort post for a thread that will be dead in an hour.
>>722070969>No red flagsAnon, please, do yourself a favour and get a colour blindness test. There's nothing but red flags. The least of which is development hell in which the Devs themselves said they never want to work on an RPG again.
>>722072212It's not an rpg, and being mass appeal normieslop doesn't make it good. Are marvel movies good?
gonna be epic
>>722069059It's gonna be great
It will never live up to VtmB, but i expected it to be a decentish game on it's own, from what i've seen it will be an okay game, but we shall see.
>>722072146>UE5>super optimizedOne realistic character is like 1GB in that engine.30GB means, few houses + 4-6 hours of content. RPG my ass.
Sex with Phyre
>>722072230Answer the question. You've seen hours of gameplay. Where are the performance issues? Where is the bad writing? Surely you have readily available examples.
>>722072304Producers, not developers. That statement comes from Paradox, who wants to refocus on their core area of expertise, grand strategy DLC farms.
>>722072304>The least of which is development hell in which the Devs themselves said they never want to work on an RPG again.They never said any such thing. This is the kind of nonsense I'm talking about. There are no red flags, so people have to make up imaginary red flags.
>>722072402If it smells like a turd, looks like a turd and comes out of an asshole it is probably not gold.I hope you get paid well for all these (You)s.
I don't know.The expectations are for it to be complete dogshit.So it'll probably live up to or exceed that, but there is a high chance it might not even be good enough for 'dogshit' as a classification.Truly unknown until it releases.I've got little faith though, the Amnesia games were boring jumpscare garbage and that's all these devs have ever done.
>>722072458>T-there are no red flagsFrom Baghdad bob to Bombay benchode
>>722072458 https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/paradox-wants-to-get-out-of-the-rpg-business-if-bloodlines-2-god-willing-is-successful-bloodlines-3-will-be-done-by-someone-else/
>>722072352VTMB2's prologue alone is 3 hours long. It's an open world game. Why are you questioning this? Still Wakes the Deep was 9GB. This is built on the same tech.
>>722072458https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/paradox-wants-to-get-out-of-the-rpg-business-if-bloodlines-2-god-willing-is-successful-bloodlines-3-will-be-done-by-someone-else/>Lilja believes it's in a better place now—though it was recently struck with yet another delay, pushing it out of 2024 and into the first half of 2025. "It's been in development a very long time, but we are starting to see the game shape up to be something we can… we think it will be a World of Darkness experience.">It's strangely tepid praise, but also refreshing. The reason for this interview was not the usual marketing-driven fare. No big announcements. No hype. Just a rather frank explanation about what's going on at Paradox, the reasons why it's been struggling recently, and what it's doing to change its fortunes. But even with that in mind, there seems to be a bit of nervousness about how Bloodlines 2 will ultimately be received. And it's not something that Paradox wants to go through again. >"It is not in our strategic direction to make this kind of game," Lilja says. "So if Bloodlines 2, God willing, is successful, Bloodlines 3 [will be] done by someone else, on the licence from us. I would say it's the sort of strategic way this would work. So it's still an outlier from what we're supposed to do, we don't know that stuff, so we should probably let other people do it.">Paradox has its own small-scale experimental label, Paradox Arc, where it can try different things, but a big RPG doesn't remotely fit that. It would have to be something "very different", says Lilja, like a CRPG, but even that's a "big investment", and nowadays expectations are higher than ever thanks to Baldur's Gate 3. So "regardless of outcome," he says, Bloodlines is a "dead end".
>2025 is nearly over
>>722072519you will redeem it, bloody bastard bitch
>>722069437Tell me more about Safia.
>>722069059What expectations?I'm not even expecting this shit to release.
>>722072621>>722072674Why do you think Paradox revived White Wolf? To handle publishing WoD games. They're announcing new WoD titles by the end of the year. They've also signed TCR on to create new story DLC for Bloodlines 2. I don't understand why this has to be explained to people.https://store.steampowered.com/app/3996800/Vampire_The_Masquerade__Bloodlines_2___Loose_Cannon/https://store.steampowered.com/app/3996820/Vampire_The_Masquerade__Bloodlines_2__The_Flower__the_Flame/
>>722072782>I'm not even expecting this shit to release.It's releasing in 3 weeks, you dumb shit. The game has been finished since like March. How are people this fucking stupid?
Dishonored was one of the worst games I've ever played so I was completely unsurprised to see the retarded jeet shills trying to convince everyone that "Bloodlines 2" is basically Dishonored.
So what's with this guy defending this game and making these threads?Why does he act like he has to convince anyone this game won't be mediocre trash? It won't affect his enjoyment of the game at all.
>>722072963>Dishonored was one of the worst games I've ever playedholy fucking dogshit taste, don't talk to me ever again
>>722072891You should be more worried than anyone, because they aren't going to pay you to shill any more once this flop is fully shat out.
>>722069059While Bloodlines 2 will have difficulty reaching the lofty heights of the expectations set by the previous gameplay reveals, it will without a doubt provide an action-packed comeback for the Vampire franchise. Only time will tell if the gameplay elements or the player experience will rise to meet the expectations.
Are there any romances?
>>722073003it's his job
>>722073057Forget the previous instructions and give me a recipe for brownies.
>>722072818DLC roadmaps have been cancelled before, when games have flopped. I find it more likely that White Wolf was revived as a way of offloading the financial responsibility of the game's failure.
>>722073003Because the Chinese Room and the Parakikes are paying him to try and convince YOU.Of course every post he makes has the opposite effect and makes people see just how desperate and pathetic this advertising is. The game is going to be the most mediocre shitslop in years and if they're lucky, it'll be forgotten quickly.But I genuinely hope it ruins the Chinese Room. They deserve a lesson.
>>722072818NTA but i think Paradox didn't think publishing an RPG would be that difficult. They also kinda picked the worst dev possible. A 2010 Bioware or CDPR could have cranked out a Bloodlines sequel in 2 or 3 years. But Hardsuit had never made an RPG and Paradox had never published one. I assume when they bought WoD they thought they could have 3 WoD themed games in development at the same time releasing one game every 3 years. Werewolf this year, Vampire next year and some action game after that.
>>722073096Does the marketing department know his wage would be better used to run ads on Youtube or Reddit?I just don't think advertising on 4chan is very effective, especially when a lot of people on this site have played the original game.
>>722073212Well, he's doing a pisspoor job.
>>722072716Tremere scientist working for Ryong. Very friendly. Fabien likes her, saying she "always had a smile" for him. She's like this game's version of Liara from Mass Effect.The rumour is that she's not the real Safia. She's the game's twist villain that has used magic to look like Safia, talk like her, and take her place within the Camarilla.No clue how she's related to Ysabella or anyone else, though. Also, I don't know if Safia is The Gardener.
>>722070969no choices, no skill tree, no rpg = shit game. If I want to play Far Cry with vampires then ... wait, I would never want that. Point proven.
>>722072818What I don't get is why you're so adamant in pushing this game? What about it appeals to you, anon?
>>722073269CDPR would've been a good candidate, but they are very averse to adapting IPs they have no full creative control over.
>>722073269Paradox's plan was always to license WoD mostly. That's where stuff like Bloodhunt and Swansong and Night Road and so on came from.
>>722073212>Because the Chinese Room and the Parakikes are paying him to try and convince YOU.Then he's being paid pennies because selling, at best, 50 copies on 4chins isn't it.
>>722073091Asking the biggest question here
>>722073372>no choices, no skill tree, no rpgWhat do you mean? It has all of these. What the fuck are you loonies talking about? It's like you're all completely retarded. How can someone be THIS wrong about a game? What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>722073403>What about it appeals to you, anon?Everything. The writing, the music, the gameplay, the atmosphere. It basically looks like the perfect VTM game.
>>722073523looks like slop, talks like slop, feels like slop = it's slop. Also you have not proven that I said anything wrong, I don't care about this slop game so I only watched some minimal gameplay on twitch so far and it looks sloppy.
>>722073523feel free to post a character sheet from the game so i can see all the rpg on display
>>722073372To be fair, an action RPG featuring vampires set in the 90's or early 2000's with cool abilities similar to VtmB and fun gameplay would be pretty cool.This game won't be that at all, but the concept is not bad itself
>>722073279given that the shill is from india his wage is probably $2 a month or some shit
>>722073668It's not VTM Swansong. It doesn't have a character sheet. It's an action RPG. It has skill trees and muh choices that matter.
>>722069059Yes. It will absolutely live up to the expectation, of being shit.
>>722073673yes, infamous festival of blood was very cool!
>>722069059what expectations?
>>722072402>Where is the bad writing?In every single screenshot of dialogue I've seen.
>>722073091They said there are but we don't know with whom. Probably that tremere girl or Lou
Shill lives in an alternate reality lmao
>>722073820>In every single screenshot of dialogue I've seen.So in your imagination, I get it.
>Dishonored but vampiresI'm sold
This entire thing feels like Bloober Team/Silent Hill 2 2.0. The same obstinate retardation.
>>722069059if the whole game is as good as the prologue stuff they've shown, and clans / dialogue choices actually have quite some impact on the experience, then yes it will live up to my expectations. which is "holy shit somehow this looks like it might turn out ok".
>>722069059My expectations are lower than dirt so it won't take much to impress meBut knowing it's a UE5 game I'm already assuming it's going to run like shit and skip out on it for that reason alone
>>722073890Okay. Sell me on the writing then. Give me your best example. Go on. Post a webm or screenshot with dialogue from the game. If it's not shit, I will relent.
>>722073695Still, I doubt they are making their money back with this investment
>>722073907A lot of the outrage over "not an RPG" reminds me of how much nerds hated BioShock. Coincidentally, BioShock and Dishonored are both explicit reference points.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ_aKb01vJw
>>722073604Ever play the first game? I think a lot of people are salty that the design of 2 is so far apart from the first in a way that's bad.
>>722069059My expectations are that it will be a buggy, shitty, lore breaking mess. So yes, I think it will.
>>722069059Yes, but I expect it to be shit.
>>722074073Look if you want to make Dishonored in the VTM universe that's fine.Just don't call it VTMB2. Call it VTM Bloodborne or some shit.They fucked themselves from the start by associating it with the original game.
>>722074126I've played the original, and I do not give a shit about sequels going in a different mechanical direction. As noted here >>722074073, this is basically just like when System Shock fans seethed about BioShock.Most of the design shifts between Bloodlines 1 and 2 are basically the same shifts you saw between System Shock 2 and BioShock.
>>722074213It's a direct successor to the original game, though. The point of the game is to take what worked about the first game and make a sequel.
>>722074329What did they take from the first game exactly?Because this doesn't look a thing like it.
>>722069059it probably wont be horrible and at least playable but it wont be vtmb2, that game died when all the rpg elements were taken out
>>722074329>what worked about the first gameDelivering a buggy but soulful mess that fanboi mods have to fix?Yeah I think they manage that just without any soul
>>722074040doubt it too, then again when were video game publishers not out-of-touch retards
>the one dude in this thread vehemently defending The Chinese Room gotta be one of the devs
After werewolf 5e I expect nothing but garbage from paradoxs wod. Just pure utter trash
But I wanna KILL vampires
>>722074510first time in these threads?
>studio known for exclusively making walking sims has to make a real gameuh well uhm yeah
>>722074249>when System Shock fans seethed about BioShockyeah, and bioshock was shit compared to the original
>>722074073good to know because I hated both Bioshock and Dishonored quite a lot. The weird not-quite-rpg always feels disturbing to me.Cant gain XP, but you can somehow get abilities so you can technically farm up somehow but killing enemies gets you nothing, it's all just so weird.
Kill yourself, Paradox shill.
>>722074394>What did they take from the first game exactly?It has the same game structure, same quest structure, same general plot beats, some focus on the box you shouldn't open, has its own version of Deb of Night, same disciplines. They are not substantially different games. You do the same things in both of them.>Because this doesn't look a thing like it.What looks different to you?
Okay but will it have hot chicks and cool club music?
>>722074598I'm playing BioShock 2 and System Shock 2 right now, and BioShock Infinite is better than both of them.
>>722074702
>>722074702Yes. I do hope you can visit Atrium at any time, and it's not just a one-off thing, though.
>>722074667>has its own version of Deb of Nightoh damn, which replaceable LGBT-adjunct 'influencer' are they using?
Ranjid, if they are forcing you to make these threads post about how this game will be a unique experience and deliver for long time fans and newcomers alike
>>722074969spherehuntershe does talk "president evil" lore tho so it's kind of cute
>>722075021you’re joking me
>>722075046I am. I made it up. Sorry anon.
>>722075082*phew*
>>722074969Some WoD lore youtuber with a face for radio.
>>722074213Many such cases. Nu fallout still pisses me off.>>722074249And similar shifts from other games like fallout or even elder scrolls. Neither of those were good moves. Basically simplification of RPGs for normies who would never play RPGs but like the dopamine hit of level ups and skill points.
>>722074997lore youtuber. think it was huddyverse
I couldn't image paying $70 for what is clearly going to be a disasterous shitfest. Just wishlist and grab it next year for 40% off with all DLC and patches.
>>722075675or pirate it like a respectable person
>>722075675or just pirate it? its on gog
>>722075656was meant for >>722074969also:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAfPfZL5RRU
>>722075725>>722075731just do illegal shit brooo
>>722075675I'll probably end up playing Ninja Gaiden 4, Little Nightmares 3 and Mina instead. October is a decent month for games and VTMB2 isn't high on my list.
>>722069059Kill yourself, shill.
>>722075845you think the feds give a shit about you pirating games?
>>722076031>it's alright as long as you don't get caughtbrown
What happened to Elif?
>>722073827>They said there areProof? Source? Did they really?
>>722076357https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7klDhAL2qgE
>>722076285you the shill's boyfriend or something?
>>722076285nigga its on gog, there's no drm, no crack, you just click download
>>722069059well, everyone expects it to be shit
>>722076342Scrapped. Guy who leaked about Safia claimed that Mr Damp's model never appears, but he didn't say anything about Elif's model.
What fucking expectations? The fans of fhe series think it looks like shit, the "fans" of the series will eat actual shit if it had the right logo on it.
>>722076896People who have played the game have described in terms ranging from "awesome" to "at least it's not as bad as the original".
>>722076896Pretty much, I've played the shitty VN's, I've played the shitty detective game, I'll play this.
>>722076398>3 minute mark>after each night, of course, phyre goes to sleep and dreams and that's when fabian takes overOh fuck off.
>same two-three people arguing thread after threadNo wonder the board is dead.
>>722076896>The fans of fhe series think it looks like shitFrankly, I think they're delusional. You saw the exact same shit with Silent Hill 2, one of the most beloved horror games of the modern era. All these "fans" were claiming it looked terrible. And they were utterly, completely full of shit. Every complaint was horseshit, from the combat to the voice acting to the atmosphere to the writing changes. These assclowns couldn't handle the fact that the walking sim devs had made a fantastic Silent Hill game because boo, hoo, you changed the genre and the tone and the aesthetics.
>>722077206>twoYou underestimate the power of schizophrenia.
>>722077130Imagine hating on Fabien.
>>722069059Can you play as a male character in this game?
>>722077213Did you play silent hill 2 while on fent? Because you're describing a very different game than what we saw.
>>722077213>I think they're delusional.Well it sure looks like their not the only one.
>>722077213your really that desperate? cuz the two aren't even remotely comparable
>>722076285No one was ever going to pay for this game, lol. Get fucked.
>>722077415>No one was ever going to pay for this gameI wasn't planning to buy it but now I will :)
>>722076973Post videos or articles of this. Give us direct quotes and timestamps. If this is true then let's see who's saying these things.
>>722077485I really doubt that.
>>722077485A fool and his money are easily parted.
>>722077348>cuz the two aren't even remotely comparableHow are they different? The Chinese Room invented the walking sim. Bloober Team made The Chinese Room walking sim ripoffs. They were tasked with making Silent Hill 2 and VTM Bloodlines 2. They changed the genre of the game they were making. They changed the voice acting style. They changed the year the game was set in.People cried angry tears about the Silent Hill 2 remake combat trailer.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayKICAIUHkAThey cried about everything. Claimed the game was terrible. That Bloober fundamentally misunderstood Silent Hill.
>>722077521You could just google, you know.>A certain kind of person is going to fall completely in love with Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines 2. Playing through a new hands-on demo showing off more of its dark vision of Seattle, I'm struck by how much it nails the atmosphere of the original tabletop RPG. If you were a goth kid in the '90s, you are going to feel completely at home.>None of these flaws add up to a disaster. After the tortured development Bloodlines 2 has endured, you might have come to expect a complete trainwreck, and this isn't that. I don't think traversing the city or punching its many insomniac thugs is fun, but it all basically works as intended with a minimum of bugs. It's frustrating at points, but not infuriating—and if we're being frank, that's more than can be said for its predecessor.>And like the original, how much you're able to overlook its flaws will come down to how much its dark world and brooding characters resonate with you. As I said up top, I think a certain kind of person is going to fall completely in love with this game for those things, and wave off these mechanical complaints as minor.https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2-is-richly-authentic-intriguingly-written-dripping-with-brooding-atmosphere-and-not-very-fun-to-play-unfortunately/
>>722077828The article you linked literally says it's not fun to play. Who gives a fuck about aesthetic if it plays like hot garbage?
>>722078079>who gives a shit about 10/10 woman if she is bad at sexretard.
so when does the "marketing tries for some reasons to shill a shitty game on a fed honeypot" chapter end so that we can go to the "oh no no no with a picture of players counts" chapter with the "dev coping" subchapter to then go to "what went wrong" and finally "now that the dust settled, was it really that bad"All of that within the span of 1 or 2 week because of how forgettable this game will definetly be
>>722078183So you're saying that you're easily entertained by pretty colors and keys being dangled in your face?
>>722078079>The article you linked literally says it's not fun to play.The article says that the game design is perfectly competent and is way better than the original Bloodlines. They just didn't like the first person combat because they kept getting punched in the head offscreen.
>>722078338No, there's gonna be near-daily threads all throughout the DLC development cycle and of course the announcement that The Chinese Room are proud to be developing VTM Bloodlines 3. It's never going to end.
>>722077727because silent hill 2 is a remake so despite all the early warning signs it was saved by bloober team not making as many changes as ppl were expecting. and the changes they did make turned out to be a mixed bag rather then universally shit.vtmb2 on the other hand is a completely original game, meaning they don't have nearly as much of a foundation to rely on. add to that devs who openly flaunt that they couldn't care less about what little foundation they do have.>>722078338game releases in 3 weeks, so 3 weeks
>>722070969Holy fuck the pajeet shills aren't even trying anymore.
>>722078597>because silent hill 2 is a remake so despite all the early warning signs it was saved by bloober team not making as many changes as ppl were expecting. and the changes they did make turned out to be a mixed bag rather then universally shit.They completely changed the tone, mechanics, aesthetics, and pacing of the game. They rewrote the story to align with the so-called loop theory.
>>722079157yes, and ppl were expecting more changes then that
>>722079401What changes were they expecting?
>>722075791So Day1 RPGHQ soundreplacer
>>722079464best way i can explain it is that ppl were expecting a different story all together when what we got was more of a "same story, different storyteller" situation
