>the upcoming JRPG "should be a better experience" but the "creative vision" at Square Enix won't changeWHAT DOES THIS MEAN!?!??!WHAT DOES THIS MEAN!?!?!?!??!
It means nomura won
>>722072581It means provide feedback but don't go asking for radical shifts in their pipeline.
>it may not be what you want but we are making it anywayi shant be buying then
>>722072581This is fine, market feedback is good to keep in mind but shouldn't dictate the scope and vision of the project.Game development isn't a democracy.
>>722072581imagine ever playing remakes of anything hahahaha
>>722072581NOMURA is behind the scenes still salty 15 years later muttering something about "I'm the original la creativdad"
>the creative vision
Remember: The point of remake and rebirth are two questions: "can things change?" and "no, they cant", and part 3 will be the synthesis of these two ideas: "change what you can, accept what you cant"You cant change the past but you can change the future.You cant save aerith or zack, but you can defeat sephiroth once and for all.If the ending of part 3 still leads to AC, the entire trilogy will have been badly written and bad storytelling.
>>722073756I wouldn't mind playing remakes of bad games that were held back by technical limitations. Ff7 was already a great game so it didn't "need" a remake.But imagine getting a Dirge of Cerberus remake that wasn't total shit like the original .
>>722072581It means Aerith is dead and stays dead
>>722072581Basically they don't know who to cater if Tifafags or aerithfags kek
TIFA WON THE CLOUDBOWL
>>722072581It means you losers and your whining ruined Rebirth so now they're going back to the original plan of the unknown journey
>>722072581Going off of Japan and Squares trajectory lately we can just expect the next game to have 70% more interracial gay couples.
nerf yuffie she's too strong
>>722074395About damn time
>>722074276They settled it a long time agoAerith - ZackTifa - CloudCloud - Zack
>>722074171>If the ending of part 3 still leads to AC, the entire trilogy will have been badly written and bad storytelling.Naw it's probably going to be about how the S-cells were able to produce Sephiroth being successful compared to the deteriorating G-cells that produced Genesis and Angeal. But somehow g cells are better because the whole multiverse thing got triggered by Genesis somehow with the help of Jenova and Sephiroth will become good at the end of some shit
>>722072581Basically Tifa and Zack are way too loved to allow Aerith to get away
>>722072581Things should be made in a bubble. "Focus groups" are the worst thing after DEI to happen to entertainment .
>>722072581it means they're going to change as many of Sakaguchi's ideas as they can because they're petty and want to fuck this thing right up, just like an exploding blitzball.
>>722072581It means they are not making as much minigames or ubisoft towers, but not that they will revive aerith and compromise their vision
>>722074171>but you can defeat sephiroth once and for all.you already fucking did that in the original game
>NH: So, like I said, there's not a huge amount ... I can't make any specific announcements about the third game in the series today. It's not the time, we're not ready for that yet. But I can talk about it in fairly abstract terms of how we're approaching it. As you're very much aware, the first game in the series, FF7R, was a more story driven linear gaming experience and then that evolved and changed into a more open world adventure for Rebirth, the second game. And that seems to be very well regarded. People seem to like that change a lot and they like the new gameplay direction. So, we're very happy with that. But moving forward to the third game in the series, obviously I can't say exactly what it is, but I don't want to deliver just exactly the same style of gameplay experience as we had with Rebirth again. We're going to evolve it and change it again to give another different and fresh take on the Final Fantasy VII gameplay. Again, that will be revealed in the not too distant future. I can say we're working on it and we're trying to change that because we've actually got a build up and running in the development team right now where you can experience that new style of gameplay.>It's all looking good, it's going in the right direction, the development is going very well. And I said, unfortunately, I'd love to be able to tell you all about it, but I can't do that today. In the near future we'll be able to announce it to everyone, and it really will be a fitting climax to the Final Fantasy VII Remake series. So, hopefully you can look forward to seeing that information come soon. But in the meantime, I invite everyone to go out and play the new versions of Final Fantasy VII Remake. And when it comes out, Rebirth on Nintendo Switch 2 and Xbox, get ready for the third game. You can have a lot of fun now. You'll have even more fun later.https://www.ntower.de/bericht/1532-final-fantasy-vii-remake-intergrade-naoki-hamaguchi-talks-about-the-new-nintendo/
>>722075203that was a mistake that they fixed with the beloved and canon sequel movie
>>722073780Why didn't they just let NOMURAGOD make some fucking games and design some characters? The fans love him but the only explanation I can think of is that someone above him at SE must hate him personally
>>722074236>But imagine getting a Dirge of Cerberus remake that wasn't total shit like the original .NTA, but I literally can't. That game consists of nothing but boneheaded concepts. Well, except for Vincent starring a game in the abstract. He is popular after all.
>>722075203The remake is trying to address the fact that sephiroth comes back or stays alive thanks to cloud guilt/ptsd and sticks to him like a parasite
>>722075560that's retarded, but it's a good excuse to turn ff7 into a franchise and give us more time with the characters so I'll tell myself it's good
>>722075759I don't think FF7 will go away even after part 3
*the most whiny and autistic voice you've ever heard from a man over 40 voice* I was answering a question with factual information I didn't say it was good I didn't say that, why are you mad about factual information
>>722075818Yeah I think anyone saying sephiroth will be defeated once and for all is setting themselves up for disappointment
>>722072581means the direction they were going for with the remake was already set in stone a fucking decade ago
>>722073756tbf it's not a remake
>>722075818Well yeah they still need to follow up on the genesis thing
>>722072581>our creative vision won't changeThank you.Ignore detractors.
>>722072581>creative team>it's uncreative
>>722073932>>722074496This is so stupid.
>>722076156ThisI'll like whatever we get as long as it's official canon
>>722072581>fans/players:"we don't want DEI or time travel bs!">SE:"I'll just act like I didn't hear that..."
>>722072581Why More Time Jannies Of Course
>>722073756>>722074250>>722074365
>>722072581>says the director's wasting 3 games to retell a single OG game story
>>722076478>>722075961>>722075759So judging by your falseflags i assume you hate that they are sticking to their guns and not bending over to fans?
>>722072581That the game will be just as terrible fanfic as the first two remakes.
>>722077410What fans? Real fans would want them to do their own thing, even if they believed the whispers should die at the end of part 1 and not return.
>>722077597So no answer, huh
>>722077624You didn't ask a question, you made an assumption. No matter what I say you'll stick to it. Or will me telling you how I feel actually make a difference? Would you accept it if I said anything that contradicted your assumption?
>>722077739I was expecting an answer, oh wellKeep up the work
>>722077410But have they stuck to their guns?
>>722077884My answer is I do not hate that they are sticking to their guns. Do you accept that?
>>722077891Yes or no depending on what criticism I'm countering
SE continues to be ran be spiteful, decrepit dinosaurs who would rather run what's left of the company into the ground rather than admit they have made almost nothing but mistakes for the last quarter of a century
>>722077891Yeah they are
>>722077953Sure, but show it properly next time :)
>>722078141If they knew the plan from the start why did they keep the fact that it was going to be a trilogy a secret until part 2 came out
>>722072581Hold on to your hats in the final fight we will get the young version of Sephiroth to fight the old version of Sephiroth but this isn't the normal Sephiroth this is Dark Sephiroth fused with Xehanort the ultimate badass will Sephiroth or Sephiroth win?
>>722078204Nah, I'm going to continue to share my opinion which is the exact same as yours.
>>722078219I will like it literally no matter what as long as it is an official release
>>722078307>I will like it literally no matter whatYeah we know
>>722078219Even if the ending is bad we already know it's not really the end so we can just wait indefinitely for the REAL ending instead of accepting it's all been a waste of time.Kingdom Hearts 4 will fix everything just you wait and see. A few more mobile games will make the story good again.
>>722078215Didnt they say it was gonna be 3 parts but kitase was wondering if they could do it in two?
>>722078270So sad Hopefully you find release and peace one day
>>722078540If I was bothering anyone, I'd stop immediately. But so far nobody has said anything to the effect. There's only one guy who talks about my posts and he seems to enjoy them a lot. In fact he likes talking about me more than about VIIR.
>>722078470I knew there was a good explanation that makes criticism of SE unfair
Backup might need to be called in after that one
>>722078665Thats a concession if ive ever seen one
>>722078745"There is no valid criticism of remake" isn't a joke, it's been proven time and time again. Got something negative to say about remake? I've got the information to blow it the fuck out.
>>722072581>>722075343Episode 3 will be a live service f2p game
>>722072581Buy her game
>>722073756>>722074236>WAAAAH REMAKES HURT ME DADDY!!!!You people are so stupid.
>>722079710haters BTFO
it means they're too deep in shit to come out smelling like roses
Obviously they're not going to rewrite it now, they're just going to hire 100,000 jeets to copypaste UE assets as fast as they can to wrap this shit up before they lose any more money on it
>>722072581"We're not making it turn based, shut up."
>>722079042I can save her.
>>722072581I'd agree fans shouldn't dictate how games are made because they're rarely game devs, but neither do I think you should rape and mutilate your work just to appear creative.
>>722072581It means they'll stick to what they set up. You have no influence.
In retrospect it really wasn't okay for anyone to tell george lucas his writing for the prequels was bad. He knew better than everyone else and they should have kept their worthless opinions to themselves.
>>722076749It’s amazing how much seethe this caused, that you have anons make believing time jannies existing in other games.
>>722078540Indian
>>722082039George Lucas existing means i can complain about any director i disagree with
This means they wont remove Chadley, doesnt it?That little shit is the most infuriating thing about that game
>>722082872When I saw people arguing that they were actually in the OG all along because of some line of Sephiroths I knew 7Rfags would force themselves to believe anything just to avoid accepting the writing in 7R was abysmal dogshit.
>>722072581for the love of god no more Chadley. Worst fucking character ever. Dude won't shut the fuck up.
>>722082974>i can complain about any director i disagree withNo... no!!! You CAN'T!!!Our betters, the Creators, need to be shown the utmost respect and not questioned.
>>722083019>>722083131CLOUD
>>722072581based. Fans don't know what they want unironically, especially /v/ermins in this board. If the public had good taste, AAA slop wouldn't be as praised as it is. New ideas need to be supported
>>722083019>>722083131I refuse to criticize SE for putting shit content in these games. The blame is entirely on the player who should know not to play the side content. You will ALWAYS see me posting multiple times in these threads to make clear it's the players fault and not SEs.
>>722072581i am with SE on this ignore the dumbest shit from idiots that dont even understood the combat system, listening to fans gets you janky patchwork shit like ff15
>>722082039>star warsfitting example since the sequel trilogy is a great showcase of why course correcting due to fan demand mid project doesn't work
Chadley is the antithesis to Shinra - saving the planet through technology.I wouldn't be surprised if mankind survived the events of the original game thanks to him kek
>>722083546yep george lucas didn't course correct during the prequels and all three are still considered a joke today. and 7r will be the same.
>>722073756>>722074236>>722079710It’s a sequel, not a remake
>>722072581What fucking "creative vision"?
>>722083782the creative vision of nortubel
>>722083782everything SE does is unquestionable geniuseveryone else is cluelessthat's why remake and rebirth are universally beloved and sell billions
>>722075818Actual remake in 15 years, be there or be square
>>722083782>i disagree therefore its not creative
>>722083371If i dont play the side content i wont have the materia and summonsAlso, Chadley bothers you even if you dont do the side contentMotherfucker pops up in the main quest sequences just to remind you its his game
>>722072581how is this a bad thing?devs should make the games they want to make
>>722084138>it's creative therefore it's flawless
>>722084296The point is anyone who ever said anything bad about these games has been proven wrong because SE are making the game they planned to since the start instead of trying to please anyone who complained. The people who never complained and will never complain have won.
>>722084378>The people who never complained and will never complain have won.weren't they always going to "win" by liking whatever they got no matter how shit?
>>722084296NO! They should only make what I want even though I don't know what I want and even IF they give me what I want I'll just complain and say it's not what I wanted anyway.
>>722084558Yes, you could say that
>>722084309I didnt say that Do you think they dont have a creative vision?
>>722084584I like when you say this and completely justify my """strawman""" of you thinking the games are flawless and nobody has the right to say otherwise. All criticism is invalid because people would complain no matter what.
>call it a remake>it's actually some kingdom hearts spin off deviant art fan fictionWhat THE FUCK was SE even thinking here?
>>722072581I can't wait to see this shit sell even worse than Rebirth lmao
>>722084786How is it anything like Kingdom Hearts?
>>722084786uh oh, you're in trouble now
>>722074250How does some shitty mobile chibi game have more cinematography than the modern highly polished game?
>>722084818Sony have only sold 80 million PS5 consoles. It's impossible for any game to sell well with only 80 million possible buyers.
>>722084905Nice Job protecting that post
What the fuck is this thread?
>>722085190I don't agree with him but I'm not insecure so someone bringing up kingdom hearts doesn't upset me.Besides, you like kingdom hearts, why get mad if someone says remake is similar to it?Of course, you're not saying it's NOT similar, you're just grilling someone for saying so negatively.
>>722085239it is certainly a thread
I personally checked out after the scene where the sector 7 plate gets dropped. It was raw, it was real, and half the people didnt even know it was happening as the heroes hopelessly tried to stop it. In Remake they just kind of evacuate a lot of people, which takes away the impact of the failure and the fact its so dragged out on top of all the fucking ghosts flying around and shit completely ruins the momentum of the scene too
>>722085330Replying to a post isnt insecurityThis is a discussion site
>>722084818It wont sell worse than Rebirth. They will bundle the "COMPLETE TRILOGY" and have it have a multiplat release. By virtue of that alone it wont sell worse. Maybe less people will play part 3, but it will still sell better
>>72207258150% more Ubisoft towers
>>722085364Good thing you avoided Rebirth. It really turns up the BS in that respect.
>>722085635I hear there are less janitors, and that some scenes are done well from close friends of mine, but I ended up buying and refunding it after the game literally just starts with some pointless ass Zack segment
>>722085383Ok, but why grill someone for saying remake is like kingdom hearts? because you disagree? because you dislike kingdom hearts? Explain.
>>722085747Because its not? The writing, themes, presentation, plotting, voice acting style, all differ
>>722084138Where's the creativity in an ubislop game with FF7 skin stretched over it?
>>722085970Ok, then tell him that
>>722072581>creative vision
>>722086202>the ending will change so that meteor doesn't wipe out humanity so all these beautiful people can live
>>722085364They didn't evacuate a lot of people but I agree with you that the ghost and caitshit almost ruined it and the music was different too,
Thread themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4
>>722085364The gameplay is pretty shit too, hybrid systems are complete ass and there's way more tedious busywork in the remake than the original
FF VII demake introducing testicles ghosts is what I was expecting from borderlands honestly.I bet shinra is armed with some hyperion weaponry or maybe maliwan
it's like some of you failed to get OPs memo. all your complaints are fuckign WORTHLESS and wont change anything. YOU DON'T MATTER.
>>722086312>meteor kills only whites
>>722086673This is the same shit devs on twitter say 3 months before announcing terrible sales figures due to a "hate campaign"
>This obvious re-imagine, more so than a remake>Don't make or take on the positive "what ifs" of fans expectationAll these drastic changes and for what? Aerith could have lived, goddamn it!
>>722086754>what if everything was the exact same, but worse, and took 10 times longerNojima san... bravo...
>>722072581i'll be glad when this company dies
Damn these changes are shit>but they didn't make any changes :)It's boring that the story is the same but with padding, I wish they'd done something different>but they did, it's very different :)Those 7rfags are a slippery bunch
>>722084862Time jannies
>>722088326Which don't exist in KH
>>722088413Factual correction, criticism stomped
>>722076749>if there's something strange>in your catalog>who you gonna call>/v/ jannies!>if there's somethin weird>and it might look lewdoww>who you gonna call>/v/ jannies!>bustin' makes them feel good
>>722074383all the setup from part 1 just for things to end up the same in rebirthwhat the fuck were they thinking?
>We won't harm our creative vision to pander or appease>still inserts dogshit time jannies, interracial gay couples and censors tifas chestSE deserves every flop and bad press
>>722088413But it holds the same feel and aestheticThe story stops sticking to the its original themes and instead becomes a wankfest of Sephiroth and Cloud while passively aggressive criticizing people that wanted the story to stick strictly to the originalIts incredibly jarring and constantly puts the viewer out of the story because their presence immediately brings us back to meta narrative issuesIn short, whenever the whispers appear the player immediately goes "oh its the fucking time jannies again"
>>722089129It just means nomura, nojima and kitase, PERSONALLY wanted interracial gay couples and tifa to wear a sports bra and were uncompromising in their vision. Very based! They did it for themselves because they are artists.They also covered up Tifa in Rebirth after accidently having her uncensored in Remake. They also gave Yuffie a belt because THEY WANTED IT and to hell with the critics!
>>722073780Nomura should be taken outback and put down. His edgy looking characters and convoluted storylines were acceptable when we were kids but now it just looks dumb.
>>722089529i didn't have a problem with a few niggers but every fucking group every 5 yards there was one
>>722079710you would have a point of remakes were good and not shit like 99% of them
>>722087165protipthe ones saying one thing isn't the same ones saying the other
>>722086312nojima said back in 2003 that meteor never wiped out humanity so this end goal is completely pointless
>>722072581Pretty lame to end it the same way as the OG, but I'm going to assume they're going to give us more fleshed out ending or endings. I wonder if they'll give separate endings for the girls since SE doesn't want to settle on one. An optional ending for Tifa where the kiss is mentioned, and then the main story ending that leans more towards Aerith and how much Cloud wants to reunite with her. I wonder what will happen to the multi universe where Zack and the others are.
>>722090879It will remain as a memory in Cloud’s mind
i am very invested in a consequence free world that goes on forever. i wanted FF7 to be japan's version of the MCUi'm so glad square took something good and slapped the worst western trends onto it because of money
>>722091235I don't get the multiverse addition if the ending stays the same, maybe Aerith stays alive in the alt world?
VII is my favourite game, glad I've never gone near any of these abominations.
>>722072581it means that they are going to change minor stuff but their main shitty ideas, they wont touch.
>>722091663Sucks to be you, remake and rebirth are both fantastic
>>722092040Follow the yellow paint and do these pointless busywork sidequests. No thanks.
>>722092120Theres no yellow paint except in the tutorial area, once.
It means the game won't have 100 hours of bloat and minigames because people complained about it.
>>722072934I thought the feedback was that they didn't want a radical shift but SE and Nomura did it anyway. >>722091732Just like FF13. The past 20 years of this company's existence has been a prideful waste of energy and good will.
>>722072934Actually coming from Tetsuya Nomura it means more belts, zippers, emo hair and quick time events.
why did they ruin aeriths death in the remake?
>Fan feedback can only go so farThe last 2 remake games were fucking awful, he hasn't acted on any feedback never mind all of it.
Part 3 will give people the water burial cutscene, cloud is going full schizo firstI do 100 % think the ending will retcon advent children, or to be more clear i think the remake trilogy takes place after advent children
>>722092956They ruined everything else, so they wanted to be consistent.
>>722092956Because Japanese businessmen are all spineless cucks and their entire country is based around ruining people's lives if they say no to people older than them.
>>722092956But they didnt
>>722093085>I do 100 % think the ending will retcon advent children, or to be more clear i think the remake trilogy takes place after advent childrenaerith has to die for advent children to take place..
>>722092956story is from clouds pov and he is completely schizo untill the lifestream section in part 3, then we will see the actual real death and burial
>oh you didn't like the 100 hours of shit filler and bloat? well we don't care about feedback, we're doing things our way!BASED
>>722093218clouds reaction in the remake is more fleshed out which i appreciate but they didnt show the actual stabbing like in the OG. they even omitted the scene where he beats her up
>>722093085>Thinking Tetsuya faggot Nomura is going to retcon his fanfiction when this remakes Cloud is entirely based on that version.
>>722093348>he still thinks the story change is nomuras fault
>>722093493It is, and if not literally then as a product of the groundwork he laid.
>>722093318Cloud almost kills tifa, pushes tifa around and chases aerith to also beat her up and get the black materia
>>722072581Well then you can also buy your own game. I don't want your collectathon garbage. Fucking idiots can't figure out why they can't sell video games.
>>72209021799% of all games are shit. it makes sense that 99% of remakes are too. doesn't mean remakes are inherently bad
>>722093578yeah but he doesnt beat aerith up like in the OG.
>>722075560That's literally solving a problem the original writer never created. You did get rid of Sephiroth and then they brought him back because of popularity and now they are like wooow we have to go through the game again to kill him for real this time guys?It's the most pretentious bullhsit of all time.
>>722093282>I-is that.. optional content?! save me niggerman!!!
>>722093779>doesn't mean remakes are inherently badThey are when the purpose of them is to flex your ability to swindle your audience while spitting in the face of what they liked about the original.
>>722072581The so called "vision" in question.
>>722093974Remakes used to be a normal thing in art. The critical difference is in the past anybody could remake anything because copyright isn't what it was today. People who were passionate about something could take the original thing and retell it from their perspective or staying true to the original perspective. In corpo land this doesn't exist because the corpo gatekeepers are the only ones who get to dictate how a remake should be and so you get the vision of a suit instead of the people who actually cared in the first place. The best example of this is ASM2R vs the 3ds remake. Look at how drastically different they turn out because one is a passionate group of individuals who cared about the source material and the other are some people who would have never worked on that if their own thing could have been popular on it's own, so they just stick that stuff onto metroid and called it a day.
can somone please tell me whats going to happen to the alt universe now, like wtf is going to happen to the zack who fought alongside cloud -_-
>>722073932>Sonic '06 NPCs but more '25
>>722072581It means Aerith is a proud trans woman, shitlordget ready for more bizarre story changes to appeal to the MoDerN AuDiEnCE
