>just buy physical media br-ACK
Just don't live like a slob.
>>722110595Holy shit the troon op hanged itself mid post!
>gay CD music will be gone forever Not my problem
>he doesn't burn backups onto a hdd every twenty yearsNGMI
>>722110763Is that a rusty rapier resting on the wall?
>>722110763Clean your dirty fucking toenails
realistically how do you prevent this? live in a less humid place? store in a dark cool place? use better quality brands?
>>722110595All my CDs look the same.it's just ragebait from zoomX
Thanks to pirates we dont need to worry as they have made copies of like every video game ever created for easy download online.
Maybe don't be a thirdie? Storage in a house that's 65f-73f with minimal humidity shouldn't be hard.
>>722110907accept the passing of time claims all
Discs were always gay.
>>722110907You don't have to worry about it. There are obsessive autistics that will archive everything mankind has ever done. If some no name game isn't archived anywhere in any form then it wasn't worth saving by outcome.
>>722110827Nope! its a chassepot bayonet from the franco prussian war
>>722110595I still have a CD in my car from 2007. I burnt it in 2007 and it has been in my car ever since, through summer and winter.Sure, I have it in a case (one of those multidisc slip cases you could put like 20 discs in), but that one only protects from direct sunlight, not the heat or cold.I have some others that are like ten years old, also been in my car ever since.They all work.And my CDs in my shelf are all still in pristine condition; the oldest one is from the mid-90s.
>>722110907Literally just store them in a moisture resistant container and you're good. CDs should last a whole lifetime if you don't leave them out to be raped by the full fury of entropic conditions
>>722110595Do you understand the difference between burned CD-Rs and pressed CDs, you moron? CD-Rs were never permanent and everyone knew it.
>>722110595cd-w and cd-rws were know to bitrot even when they were newpressed discs don't rot unless you store them underwater for years
Entropy is literally an unavoidable law of the universe. Even solid-state drives can't be cold stored indefinitely.
>>722110763>He still thinks vinyl sounds better than CDs
>>722111090nice carpet
>>722111090Thats really cool. Hope thats dried blood on the top one.
>just buy digital mediAAAACK
>>722111158it's an academically interesting and non-trivial question as to how to store information for millions of years
Although they'll all die eventually, CD-R discs like that degrade much faster than a pressed CD.
normality postingfuck off evil normies
>>722110595why use the weakest physical media possible when you could be using stone carvings?
>>722111158>Entropy is literally an unavoidable law of the universeYes, but it can be mitigated. If you leave your shit out in an open environment where moisture and air can rape it more easily, don't cry when nothing works in a decade or so
>>722111051Truke. Digital media has had terrible consuquences for the arts.
>>722110907>live in a less humid place? store in a dark cool place? use better quality brands?Literally do nothing. Most of these "disc rot" images are from people who edit the image or intentionally damage them to try and convince people to go all in on digital.
… in the sun even steel rots nigger
>>722111346so true comrade!
>>722110763>brown
>>722111259It's a solved question: engrave the information on a disk of the purest, highest half-life element you can get your hands on.Besides shit like humans destroying it or storing it incorrectly, it will outlive all of us.
>>722111170They sound different not better. Thats up to the listener. Vynil and CD mixes are different and have subtle differecnes in frequency that only a recording engineer like myself would care about. To the average peon like yourself the difference is negligable indeed
>>722111232pretty sure the disc version is also unplayable lil broski
>>722111434>highest half-life elementNigga literally every element that HAS a half-life will turn into lead eventually.Would you really put any information on a lead disc?Fucking retard, stop using words you don't know the meaning of."Half-life", kill yourself dumb fucking nigger.
>>722111434Better solution. Assemble the stars in a configuration so that a beam of energy produced by their conjunction is ALWAYS transcribing the information locally and environmentally. Add some info in there to assemble itself as it goes and replace itself as components degrade. Should be easy honestly.
>>722111208The top one is a ww2 luftwaffe major's dress sword that was brought back as a trophy. It was likey hanging over thr fireplace of some GIs house and when pa wasnt around i bet billy and his buddies would play with the "nazi sword"Ngl holding it you really feel some occult nazi power. I got my gf to knight me with it when she was naked
>>722110907>realistically how do you prevent this?back up your stuff on a more survivable medium. cds were always garbage.
>>722111051more and more media gets lost every year at a faster rate than ever before, and what is lost gets increasingly harder to find even if it is archived somewhereif you're not in charge of the archiving you can never be 100% sure something won't get lost and you won't realize till it's too late
>>722111685>I got my gf to knight me with it when she was nakedYou goofy goober. Keep on keeping on.
Y2K CD-R Binder anon here.We all knew there was a 7 year lifespan on CD-Rs back then. Don't be mistaken by shitposts. Everyone knew there was once-a-decade upkeep.
>the anti-physical media psy op once againI'm so tired of jews.
>>722111624Start a movement about it
>>722111715Zoomer here, i remember when my mom would use those floppy disc things on her old windows, she still has the puter and a bunch of blank discs what can i do with them?
>>722111835>Zoomer hereStopped reading there, kys
What do people keep their old discs in if not the original cases? I don't think I've ever had a disc become unreadable.
>>722111913:(
>>722111921?
>>722111803it's ok and healthy to forget things
>>722111803>you can never be 100% sure something won't get lostYou reconcile this by acknowledging that billions of years passed before mankind existed. More than we'll ever comprehend is lost and will never be known. Youtube uploads something like 500 hours (five hundred) of content every 1 minute. You can never experience even a fraction of a fraction of media created by man in your lifetime. Worrying about it to the degree you are positing isn't justified.
>>722111921ThisI had a copy of parappa last 30 years
>>722111921It's because it's not an issue unless you're a third world equator shitter living in peak humitidy with no AC 24/7
>>722110763vinyl wears out with every single playit goes unplayable much faster than cds will rot
>>722110763>wood panel wallsSoulful povertycore
>>722111434We could even shoot it into space so humans can't fuck with it.Maybe aliens can get it and listen to all the stupid fucking music that sucks
>>722112059Reminds me of the part in mgs 2 when the skelly guy is going on about how the filterless state of the internet without moderation will overrun any intelligent discussion or truths because unqualified retards love making shit up online. Maybe the skelly general guy was right....
>>722112052I forgot about those, but I also always had plenty of space on the shelves, even if they were crammed with my parents' old VHS and cassette tapes.
>>722110763Damn are white people really this dirty?
>>722112123thankfully vinyl hoarders don't actually listen to their LPs
>>722111654The information you want to gather will eventually require more energy, matter, or space than you have available.
>>722111921>What do people keep their old discs in if not the original cases?On shelves to rot as museum pieces. Anyone with a lick of sense has long since ripped everything to multiple backups drives and has done away with any such worry.
>>722111370Nigger-tier behavior
>>722112054>>722112059we're talking about art, it usually comes with personal value ergo it's important to you, whatever mankind has been up to is nowhere near as important as a piece of media that brings you great enjoyment, inspiration, or whatever have you - those are directly relevant to whatever short life you have here>it's ok and healthy to forget thingsusually said about things that have a negative influence, things that hold you down, not upliftI'm not some autist saying archive everything, altho that would server the greater good if you will, but you should definitely at least archive the things you care about because there is a chance no one else will.
>>722112123I have an original black sabbath paranoid that my dad stole from the legion hall in the late 70s. The sleeve is fucked and the record is warped to shit and sounds like static but it doesnt skip. I like the high frequency response of vinyl and theres nothing you can do about it
>>722112252That monologue was about us anon. The patriots, or their real world allegory, have shown to be ineffectual because their memes are weak. Who actually drives culture and creates the context in the content? We do.
>>722111051>There are obsessive autistics that will archive everything mankind has ever done.Fuck you, there's unintentional ASMR kino I had been listening to since I was 12 that was just GONE one day, like it never even existed. I will never those comfort vids back because I didn't save them when I had the chance.
>>722110595Obviously the best option is physical media + digital backups.You are certainly not immune to losing digital games
>>722110595I still have CDs from the 80s, literally one of the first batch of CDs my country got, and they work perfectly.My PS1, PS2, PS3, Wii, Wii U also are in pristine condition. Disc rot must happen only in extremely humid places or something(And I live literally by the sea)
>>722112462>ASMR>frogYeah you're a pathetic soimale
>>722110595I still have cds I got 20 years ago that work just fine
>>722112294I dont have streaming services cause i refuse to pay for somthing and not own it. I listen to these Lps more than id like haha
>>722112604And since physical media can legally be digitally backed up you just need physical
>>722110595just back it up?I still got porn from 2006.
>>722112715Based
>>722112059thats defeatist fag cope and honestly a cancer to civilization.
>>722110907You know how plastic yellows in the sun or rubber can get dry or brittle, or foam can rub off if left moist? Yeah, just basic care prevents it.
>>722110907its digital data m8 you make backups and dont give a shit about what specific medium its on at the moment.set up some redundancy if you want to be really safe.
>>722110595I dont understand CD rot, i have tons of discs from varying points in time and theyre all fine. Hell my dads DVDs that hes kept in the garage are also fine
>>722110595>CD-RSo what?
>>722110595everything atrophies(don't leave your solid state drive unpowered for too long or you will lose data), but i don't know, get archival disks that use non-oxidizing metal to write the data to.
>>722113078I've had CD's stored loose in an open box in my parent's wet fucking flooding basement for over 20 years and they played like new.
>>722112875>implying we wouldn't be better off if 90% of modern slop was forgotten and erased
>>722110907I have nearly 30 year old discs that are still functioningJust keep them inside a case nigga
>>722113256yeah thats totally what would happen, and not the exact opposite.
anon...you forgot me unplugged under your bed for years...plug me in....play me-ACK
Digital sisters.....is it true...do we own nothing?
>>722113392I actually just threw mine in the trash last month.The only thought I've EVER had about this thing is that it was a complete waste of money.
This is an original CCR tape from the 80s and its been out of its case since i stole it from my grandpa (rip) when i was like 14. Its been covered in coffee and filled with dust and brought along on many 4x4 journeys and it still plays like the day it was made. Note the top right of the tape...
>>722112875Its the opposite. Anon's argument is akin to >cops exist but they can't stop all crime that has ever existed and that is terribleAnon's rebuttal to that argument is>that is dumb to worry about1st anon's gripe's eventual endpoint spirals into doomerism that will claim that cops shouldn't try because they can't stop all crime. 2nd anon's refutation's endpoint is that they should exist even if they can't do the job 100% efficiently.
>>722113486Texas right*
>>722110907For one, you don't deliberately destroy the disc. Like magic, it still fucking works. You don't even need to do anything crazy. I have 20+ year old discs that have been sitting in normal conditions, even reasonably humid ones, and they both look and operate perfectly fine.>>722112445Reposting frogs, wojaks, and twitter screencaps isn't creating memes.
>>722110595what did you expect from the organic ink in the rewritable dvds, use MDISC
>>722113663True, but 'memes' as we use the term today exist in the common lexicon because of us. Normals wouldn't know what a meme is (they still don't know what memetics itself is) if memes weren't actually shaping their reality.
>>722110907By not storing your CDs in an oven. No seriously, that damage in the OP is what happens when those things are exposed to enough heat to melt the thin aluminum on the inside.At the lower melting points you'll see spot pitting where the aluminum is the thinnest, and warping of the acrylic.Mind you we're talking an average 660C melting point for the aluminum. Like you have to be retard level to be exposing your CDs to that level of heat under normal conditions anywhere people actively live on this world. Usually only see this kind of shit if they were recovered from a fire of some kind.
>>722113435Well, sometimes You own a digital license, sometimes you digitally own it DRM-free.Regardless, Digital Storage can be just as susceptible to damage and malfunctions as Discs and Carts.I don't get this weird discourse over it. Anything but talking about the actual games, I guess.
>>722110907Stop leaving your CDs in a hot car like OP.
>>722113810>BREHS SOMTHINGS NOT ADDING UP HERE!! I THINK THIS TWITTER SCREENCAP THREAD IS BAIT Real detective we got here
>>722111424>bricks
>>722113343That’s literally what has happened. Only the greatest works have survived to the present day.
>>722114105>white trash americans cant even recognize thier northern counterparts
>>722110996more like dics right lol
>>722114172lol
>>722114172>That’s literally what has happened. Only the greatest works have survived to the present day.https://youtu.be/HSNSTerj2Kc?si=XLisbsnFYhva2Pdi
>>722113991>lol I trol u!!Kill yourself
>>722114173>Bitching about Americans out of nowhere>thierRetarded ESL.
>>722110763Cute foot
>>722110907nigger is baiting with bullshit rewritable CD's you bought for 5 cents. They rot in just a few months. Actual real pressed discs from the factory don't rot.People need to understand there is a huge difference between Burned/RW and Pressed discs and stop fearmongering about disc rot.
>>722110595Even my PS1 games are still fine.
>>722112423>and theres nothing you can do about itNice Vinals you have there. Would be a SMASH hit if something happened to them.
>>722112059>Youtube uploads something like 500 hours (five hundred) of content every 1 minuteAnd it's all fucking AI slop. Even the music. ESPECIALLY the music. The point of archival now isn't to back up things you like, but just to back up things that you know existed before the machine-generated overflow of SHIT.
>>722113810Can a CD jewel case act like a magnifying glass if aimed right and make pinpricks of heat on a disc?
>>722113754You don't even need MDISC, regular Blu-Rays use write-once inorganic dye.
>>722114602Impossible, my records are kept in a tempature controlled time locked double ke...NANI???????
cartridges >>>>>>>>>>> everything else
>>722114449you just unlocked the memory of this girl in my mind but i cant for the life of me remember who she isi just know she was one of those niche girls that got posted all the time on like r9k or just various boards because of how she looked
>>722115159>Cinnamon Girl>Everybody Knows This is Nowhere>Down by the Riverabsolute banger LP
>>722115315It was untill i dropped it into my hardwood record bin and chipped the first track off... i cut out a piece of felt for an insert so i dont do that again
>>722115561FIX IT
>>722115192>ynr pokemans 3ds carts failing due to their nand chips losing data
>>722110595copy to hddreburn to cdwow problem solved
Playing 20 year old zone of the enders Anubis cd right now. Shit still works. Don't fuck up your discs anon
>>722115192Like all modern cartridges, those are Flash, not true ROM. They decay over time same as SSDs.
>>722110907I have discs from 40 years ago and the only ones that have ever rotted were some burnt Dreamcast CDrs I made 15 years ago that I just thew around.
>>722114449I miss bullying Agatha...
>>722111921Even if you keep some discs in perfectly sealed and climate controlled vaults they'll still rot. The first wave of DVDs started rotting earlier this year. Ain't shit you can do about it. There is a shelf-life and some bands of discs are longer than others but they aren't infinite. Vinyl on the otherhand takes hundreds of years to rot.
>>722110595This looks so pretty. Digital media COULD NEVER.
>>722110727Many such cases
>>722110595That's a cd-r, not a professionally printed release, those have always been mostly cheap and nasty.Granted, they will all disintegrate eventually, maybe not in our lifetimes but they aren't true archival solutions.
>>722110907There's no point preventing it. After you die all the discs will get thrown in a landfill anyway.
>>722112423Unfortunate vinyl truth nukehttps://youtu.be/Xb32bj0XmW8
>>722110595I've been carving the data of my favorite games onto stone tablets to make sure it can last for thousands of years.
>>722111271I always got the cheapest CD-Rs in big stacks. They are fucking terrible. This time I got Verbatim Blu-ray discs. Much better quality.
>>722110763You finna get dem toes sucked
>>722110595M-Discs exist
>>722110907I recently found some shitty CD a friend burned for me in like 2001, it's still perfectly fine. So I guess really shitty environmental factors might be the issue here. Just make sure to back up the things you give a fuck about once every decade or something.
>>722111473I feel listening to older music on vinyl does have a very nostalgic sound to it with all the static and cracking, but I really can't imagine buying new music with it.
Enjoy your time in this world. It's painfully short. Eventually, our sun will burn out, and if we haven't left the planet, all of the shit that we've ever done will get burnt to a crisp. No sense getting sad over that.
>>722118718physicalfags in shambles
>>722111685>I got my gf to knight me with it when she was nakedHoly based
>>722110907you buy a proper cd/dvd drive that can rip cds and then save the contents to your hard drive
Reminder that you can help preservation by submitting dump metadata to Redump (optical media) and No-Intro (cartridges and digital downloads, including DRM-free PC releases).https://dumping.guide/http://wiki.redump.org/index.php?title=Dumping_GuidesFor the record, this infograph (back from 2022) is not about missing official releases for those consoles. All of them were dumped. It's meant to indicate how many got a single dump, and how many got 2 or more.>what drives do I need to dump CD games?http://wiki.redump.org/index.php?title=Optical_Disc_Drive_Compatibility:_CDFor PS2 and PC DVD games, any DVD drive will work fine.>why are verifications important?>Verifications are vital in verifying that the information in the database is accurate, and that a dump is reproduceable by another person using the same tools and methods. An existing dump could be erroneous due to a variety of factors, including user error, hardware and software issues, and more. Furthermore, even when someone is doing everything correctly and has adequate software and hardware, there is a chance that their dump could be incorrect, due to the way data sectors on a disc are read and validated (especially Compact Discs). In most cases, the data will be read and verified successfully, but the process of reading data is not infallible, so there are times when a second dump of the same disc could provide differing information. Verifications help to identify and correct some of these issues.The software used for this purposes is MPF (Windows-only), which serves as a frontend for DIC and Redumper (and Aaru too).https://github.com/SabreTools/MPF/releases/latestYou can also use their standalone versions (ALSO available for Mac and Linux):https://github.com/saramibreak/DiscImageCreator/releases/latesthttps://github.com/superg/redumper/releases/latest
You can just transfer the contents of the CD's to USB sticks or driveswhy the fuck would you just let it rot like that
>>722121487>redump
>>722110907if taken care of disk can last like 200-700 years its just defected batches that get rot
>>722111090What's the saber in the middle? That blade curve is throwing me for a loop.
>>722110595>you will outlive your ps1 collection
>>7221109073-2-1 backup practices3 copiesAcross at least 2 different TYPES of mediaAnd at least ONE of those copies is stored off-site
I don't take risks. I buy the physical game, make a copy and pirate then files from the internet and place them on an external harddrive and thumb drive. That's four copies of any given game I own.
>>722121671?? redump's good, I've checked their database to make sure I have a good rip several times
>>722110595>low tier TDK CD-Rlmao
>>722110763I can smell the cat piss and shit weed from this pic..
>>722111685>I got my gf to knight me with it when she was nakedhotI need an illustration with this scenario
>>722111939Anon he stopped reading because he's an esl don't worry
>>722110763CDs last longer than vinyls chud
>>722122253I literally just picked up my ps1 collection from a storage I had sitting in 118 F weather every summer for the last 20 years a few weeks ago.All disks are pristine as they were when I got them.Only the receipts which I kept inside the cases were degraded. Even managed to boot up the pkmn red & gold I had in there too.The only real damage I found in a collection of game shit was from a psp I had thrown in there for about ~7 years got really really from eating ions or some shit. I was kinda lucky because there was a stool that if I didnt carefully take it out could have easily fallen and popped it.
>>722110907What other anons said but with writable CD/DVDs they can deteriorate pretty bad even if you took care of them. That market was a race to the bottom so its plagued with QC issues. Had a stack of blank DVDs with blank CDs stored inside the same container and the DVDs just fucking split apart while all the CDs were fine. Pressed discs will hold up if you take care of them but you have to be careful with stuff reacting with the printable surface. Some old discs ink can react with plastic sleeves and that shit can bind to one another and rip off when pulled out. Puts a bunch of sizable holes in the data layer rendering the disc unusable. Its really funny in audio CDs because if it actually reads you'll wear the spots where the data was removed.
>>722111685based as fuck
>>722110907On the picture not a normal decay (writable and rewritable arent very stable but should work for 10-15 years).Maybe it was in water or under direct light for real long time.
>>722115192>corrodes in your path
>>722111051I'm one of these people and I stopped sharing because the way normalniggers treat us got on my last nerve
>>722123869>because the way normalniggers treat us got on my last nerveWhat happened?
>>722110595>Back up my digital music to the cloud>Don't worry about any of this shitI still have rips of CDs that I made in the 90's.
>>722117734Lol nothing but lies.
>>722124163>Back up my digital music to the cloudsaar we have change your password saarplease to send picture of back of gift card or we delete everything and show your familys what dirty pictures you are be looking at saar
PHYSICAL ISDEAD
>>722113991listabelle moment
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>>722111685beyond based
>>722110763Why did you have to include your foot?
>>722124287It's only backed up to the cloud. I also have two local copies.
ps1 disc games are already not starting to work in big waves
>>722111685My dad gave me that same one
>>722110595That's not a game disc in OP's picture Those are CD-R which normally are poor quality and don't have a long shelf life.My PS1 discs still work, just take care of them and don't leave them in hot places.
>>722110595So burn another one?
>>722122343>Ah, finally I have preserved by $20 bluray by spending $100
>>722124419Fuck u bitch.How bout you give up sucking deez nuts.
>>722110907You'll notice that basically every single disc rot image you see is a writable disc, not a properly mastered bluray or something. That's because they're extremely shit and easily damaged.
>>722124228Well documented fact. Several movie/music distributors sold media on known sub-standard discs and they are rotting as of this year en masse. Here is one such list of DVDs just from the first result in jewgle: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CyLGHyuhA2mfhPr4Bkyj8RAapl_0LTmN/edit
>the DVD Forum is dead>we still don't have the specs of every DVD variation onlineIt's a shame, really.
>>722123151Anon don't leave electronics in non climate controlled storage.Trust me bro.
>>722125071>several>literally just WarnerIn any case, for some reason European HD-DVD versions of 300 (made in the Americas) are prone to rot for some reason.
>>722110595>not making backupsnot my fault you're a retard.
>>722125338>Drops an EMP bomb in your path
your collection will be thrown in a landfill when you die.Even plastic breaks down over time
>>722125402that's why i have off site backups as well.
>>722125527I won't give a shit.I'll be dead.
>>722125338Hope you have at least two of those for RAID because putting all your eggs in one basket will always result in heartache.
>>722112715>Flatt & ScruggsMan, we used to have such interesting names.
>>722111051>There are obsessive autistics that will archive everything mankind has ever done.Believe me, it never ends.
>>722115192>he thinks FLASH is foreverlol
>>722125942any time someone like you dies it's like the burning of alexandria
>>722126052Thanks. However, while I do this to a way smaller scale, I must say this picture wasn't taken by me, but by Jason Scott, an Internet Archive employee.https://bsky.app/profile/textfiles.com/post/3lz7zeaplj22p
>>722110907i've got 25 year old CDs that i've kept in my cars, ungaraged, almost exclusively for those years, that still look and work perfectly fine. even ones that i've burned on shitty writable discs. either it's intentional sabotage from these people, or i'm lucky.
>>722111685>Having a gf>People not calling itGoddamn normalfags
>>722126185either way it's appreciated even if i never see your work
>>722110907Golden record
>>722110907Better storage conditions and better quality discs would certainly help, but if you really care about the data the answer is backups / multiple copies and probably periodic checks to see the state of the discs and making more copies to replace any damaged or degraded ones.
>>722110907the past will always fade away. no matter what you do.
>>722110907Spend extra for some quality discs and shove silicone packages in the cases.
>>722110763>Marquee Moonnice
FLAC bros can't keep winning...
>>722110763Disgusting gollum feet
>>722110907Write the actual song list on the CD so you can recreate the playlist.
>>722128543>the tracklist that anon ends up writing
>>722111051If you aren't that obsessive autist, you can't be sure the shit you enjoyed will survive another decade.
>>722128618The first time I heard that song was in MyHouse.pk3 (DOOM mod) from a random car on the street. Very bizarre that nobody knows who made it.
>>722110595Its almost like he could have never just converted the disk back to digital and put it on a million other disks or drives. How will digitalbros ever recover
>>722128695People really understimate the amount of shit it's not saved.
The only way you'll truly save anything past a few hundred years is to put that shit in a tablet. Carve out the hex values for the exe if you have to.
>>722110595>past is slowly being erasedWait until these people find out about emulators
>>722122020looks like a falcata
>>722111051>There are obsessive autistics that will archive everything mankind has ever doneThis is what causes preservation to get fucked. Everyone keeps thinking "well someone else will do it" or you take for granted that things are up digitally. It results in many cases where no one actually does the preservation, or no one maintains the file in a way that can actually be accessed online. Results in a stuff like trackers being full of magnet links that NOBODY has the files for and will never get seeders ever again.
>>722110595This only happens to those disgusting slobs who'd never put their CDs and DVDs away and just leave them laying around the place.
We still haven't found the origin of the "Flight 22 is off to Honolulu" sample in Live at Dominoes by The Avalanches.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRVSuE61nA0And believe me, people have been looking.
>>722110907Skeleton colonel was right but ironically AI made the problem a million times worse
>>722110907Stop being a fucking sperg obsessed with physical copies of shit doomed to rot and embrace the digital age.
>can't watch my family's old VHS tapes anymore because they're all eroded.
>>722110595CD-Rs, especially CD-RWs, were known to have a shelf life of no longer than 10 years. It's less than floppy disks. They were made on home computers and burned with a pedestrian laser someone's Hewlett Packard x386. These aren't discs created in a factory to last. You can destroy them with Windex. Anyone trusting burned discs to important data is a fucking idiot.
>>722111715Unironically use tape storage.
>>722110595That's a low-quality consumer CD-R. I have ancient lightscribe CDs that have yet to suffer this, and I bloody dropped them once. Though, my Anger Management DVD (movie), officially pressed, quickly rotted massively. It depends on the quality... But also how you store them.
I have 40 year old CDs that look brand new
>>722110595Humidity is the killer
Every 5-10 years you should make new backups to be safe as cd-rs and shit are made with shit material that will rot sooner
>>722110907>how do you prevent this? See this: >>722129715CD-Rs can only be trusted for about 5 years. It depends on the quality of the disc, but the less expensive brands were 5 years on the low end. Anything higher than that is a gamble. CD-RW's are even less stable than that, since the layer is re-writeable and prone to degradation. Never put anything you don't want to lose on a CD-RW. Factory imprinted CDs, like the albums you'd buy in a music store or PS2 games, can be warranted for about 50 years. Possibly 100 on the high end if they're stored with love. There is no way to prevent a CD-R from being trash in a few years except handling it with kiddie loves and you MIGHT get a couple extra years out of it. But generally speaking, never trust them.
>>722110595>zoomers don't know what CD-R/CD-RW isThat's not a normal disc. That's the data storage format that we used before USB sticks, and we replaced it quickly for obvious reasons. The whole war against MP3s killed off their popularity even faster since most people were burning their music to the CD to play in their car stereo.
obviously anecdotal but I've got some absolutely dirt cheap CD-Rs and DVD-Rs old enough to vote that still work flawlessly to this day
>>722110595This was planned wasn't it? Is there fucking anything that wasn't planned?
>>722110595>one of my harddrives is over 20 years old and still going strong
>>722130407so do I. I know I have a copy of Windows '98 on a CD-R that still works because I used it last week. But I have tons of copies of that so losing it is no big deal. I wouldn't put family pictures that are irreplaceable on them ever.
>>722130407I don't know if it was cheap, but my CD-R that still works more than 18 years after it was burned was Philips.
>>722118556unfortunately they kind of don't, the name was sold and what's manufactured now is just regular discs with "m-disc" labelreal m-disc never went over dvd capacity btw
How long until we're able to store data as light suspended in crystalline arrays? It's 2025 foe Christ sale!
>>722110763I think I bought two of those same rugs off Amazon for like $50. They fucking sucked and wouldn't lay flat, ever, no matter how much I tried. I farted on them and threw them in the fuckin dumpster where they belonged.
>>722130495mine are all blank Ridatas and other off-brands, most were used for PS2 games, a bunch were for porn, with the occasional legit backup. they fared better than the actual HDDs I had back then at least
>>722110907I live in a desert and the dvds I burned back in 2006 no longer work except the ones that were burned at 2x or 4x.
>1995>Discs will only last 10 years guys>2005>Discs will only last 15 years guys>2015>Discs will only last 20 years guysDiscs will last a long ass time, companies just don't want you to own things, this thread is an example to push the PS6 to fully digital.
>>722126185>Thanks. However, while I do this to a way smaller scale, I must say this picture wasn't taken by me, but by Jason Scott, an Internet Archive employee.Damn, and to think that the only thing I've uploaded on the Internet Archive are netflix shows.
>>722110595>Feel an urge to replay old Mario Karts after World came out>Get to Mario Kart Wii >Disc looks normal, game plays fine, but Audio keeps randomly fluctuating in volume during playIs this a sign my disc is beginning it's descent in data alzheimers or is it my Wii that's starting to become fucked up.
>>722110907Stamped discs have an estimated lifespan of hundreds of years in cool, dry, dark storage. Basically either buy factory made discs, or make digital backups of your burn discs and reburn them to new discs periodically.
>>722111232>buy physical copy of the crew >still doesn't workanon...?
>>722130754for legit actual Big Person Archival (as in actual institutional Archives) purposes they still don't last for shit, to this day the gold standard remains Paper>>722131565lol no they don't
>>722111170no. you take record over anything because of the analogue, atmosphere and warmth. not all of us are gooning and listening to youtube nightcore mix #227164
>Gamecube discs are all in working condition>Stupid proprietary disc drive died>The replacement drive died too
>>722134330>"Replace it again"
Meanwhile, vinyl records still strong and can survive 50 years or more
>>722110763>/v/Why aren't you black?
>>722111090pedophile trump voter
>>722110763>have vinyl records>have one bad heatwave>$1000s of dollars melt onto the floor
>>722110907You don't.Some discs are prone to fail, others not so much. Like my cd collection took hits until cds from '87 but it's always specific labels. Still have some from' 83 that show no signs of rot stored in the same conditions.But discrot denial is peak entertainment so it's worth it.
>>722110907>use better quality brands?This is the main one, and every 10 years spend 10min burning a new backup of it. t.recovered 90% of my 2003 burnt DVDs in 2019
>>722136112depends on temp and humidity.They don't play vinyl records at Goa parties specifically because the vinyl starts to get soft in the heat in India so they got used to using DAT tapes
>>722110907just upload your stuff online
>>722112052fuck anyone who kept their discs in these, now theyre all ruined lol
>>722121487redump are hoarding trannies
>>722110907don't pour water on it like the xitter engagement baiter in the OP did
>>722137496Redump is not one person. Plenty of Redump dumpers upload their dumps on public places.https://archive.org/search?query=Redump+&sort=-publicdateThe Myrient IBM PC collection is quite complete, as far as I can tell.There's an issue with Japanese dumpers, tho.
>>722110763>>722136112you're literally scratching your vinyl every time you use itI know modern vinyl collectors don't actually play their vinyls but still
>>722110763>Not my prob-Go on Archive.org and listen to 60+ year old records. They ALL sound crackly and almost unrecognizable. You really think you're invincible for storing them in banana boxes inside a dusty ass room? Get real.
>>722137820>washes recordNothin personel kid.You are the reason why hollywood puts a grammophone hiss in the background whenever somebody plays an lp in a movie.
>>722110907let things go and move on. reality is an infinite state machine.
>>722111259Carve it in stone and bury it. That's literally how fossil records work.None of our digital records can last that long, flash memory can't retain data for more than a decade without a charge, HDDs will corrode in centuries, etc. The best digital archival storage right now are M-Discs, and even they can't last more than a few generations.
>>722110996Nigga you have to blow on these
I have so many physical media disks that I want to back up, but breaking copy protection is illegal and a violation of the DMCA, so what do I do?
>>722110595>burn track on new cd/dvd/blueray whatever>problem solvedWhy do none of them do this?
>>722138959just buy new copies dumbass
>>722110907Not all disc rot is the same, so just use common sense AND be lucky.Disc rot is kinda funny since you'll just randomly have one fall apart in a case of otherwise good discs.
>>722139132>Just burn your games, the laser will read it fineThat doesn't work out the gate, even if you do hack the console>>722138959>breaking copy protection is illegal and a violation of the DMCA, so what do I do?It's illegal if you share the way to break copy protection. You can still do it for your own purposes.
>>722110763based Television slob. The darkness doubled.
>>722110907As a collector I've worried about this myself and after extensive researching I found the answer. Disc rot is outright a manufacturing flaw it is not supposed to happen and will not happen if the disc is not submerged in water for hours or subjected to being in a super humid environment for years. What happens is water gets in tiny breaches in the coating and causes it to expand and contract ruining the readability.Dvd and blu ray disc are thought to have a 500-1000+ year lifespan when kept in cool, dry and dark conditions. So really dont worry to much about disc just keep everything in the plastic container they come in, those things are perfect as the back and front of the disc is not touching anything meaning no moisture pockets can form. Do not keep anything in a binder, those increase the chance of disc rot by a 1000×Another way a disc is naturally destroyed is burn in which is what happens when it is used to many times. This happens when something is used excessively. Basically, a disc can only be read a certain number of times before it can't be read anymore. Im talking thousands of times, though. burn in is brought up very rarely. It only happened to people who used the same cds since the 90s or people that used the mummy dvd as white noise go fall asleep to every day for 15 years.
>>722125402That wouldn't wipe the data off a hard drive lol
>>722138959All physical games can be legally backed up
>>722112462This but for a mega coom asmr i lost
>>722110595>just buy physical media br-ACK
>>722111232I'm glad European tax dollars will soon be going towards preserving dogshit games like the The Crew, fuck 'em.
>>722110595>cheapest hyper mass produced burnable discs stored in the absolute worst conditions
>>722113392Isn't it mostly the black ones that do this?
>>722111090>>722111685jealous
if you followed the history of film, you already knew physical media is not good for preservation. piracy is the true domain.
>>722110595>Still have PS1 games from '98 that look and functions as if they were new>A friend of mine has a few PS2 games that were released around 2005-2007 and a single PS3 game from 2009 that have either started to rot or have rotted to the point of where they are completely unusableI don't even take that good care of my stuff since all of my old games are all in a massive wooden wardrobe with shelving in it, in a room that fluctuates between 18C and 30C during a year. My guess is that his storage space is extremely humid but I've seen and used his stuff before and I don't think its humid in there and he lives about 15min by car away from me.I'm starting to think that that the "rot" actually is some sort of fungus that eats specific types of plastics and that it spreads slowly enough to not actually be obvious since that seems to be the only logical cause.
>>722111685Illegally based for such a shitty tread.
>>722110907I've seen people do a small bit of kitchen paper in their game box to draw in the moist. Its 100% moist btw.My dreamcast games still work so I'm not that worried about my collection. I'm also not married to my collection, so if some die: "oh no! Now I only have 1000 games"
>>722112462let it be a lessonI have multiple copies of all the porn I've enjoyed in the paststorage is dirt cheap, there is literally no excuse
>>722111232>digitalyeshttps://thecrewunlimited.com/home/>buylmaowould have downloaded and played The Crew just because I can, but the game looks like shit so idk
>>722110595You could just store discs normally in a case or disc binder and nothing bad will happen to them. OP's picrel is either retarded or deliberately destroying their shit for rage bait.>>722111158Ah yes I am totally concerned with what happens to my shit 500 years after I am long dead. Let me guess, you are also upset that ice cream melts if you don't eat it?
>>722111685living the fucking dream anon
>>722141751Imagine 20000 years from now your body gets recovered with the only thing remaining being your bones, cumjar and an anime figurine.
>>722139709>soundbaryikes
>>722142168That soft tummy conveyed through carving, truly humanity has had sovl since the beginning..
>>722110595>TDKTOTALDISCDEATH
>>722112397>ergo
>>722142904>disks you buy for 3cents and burn max 3 songs die after a few yearsWoah, who'da thout
>>722129129even a rock tablet breaks..........
>>722121837Nobody spends his days cleaning millions of disks
>>722110769>hddit will randomly brick and everything in it will be unrecoverable
>>722110907the reality is that some manufacturers simply skimped on materials to save some pennies.sega cd and some gamecube games were already having issues a few years after release, while ps1 games are still largely intactsome 3ds batches of cartridges are failing here and there, while old atari ones still workif you want things to last you should focus on media that has proven itself to be reliable long term, e.g. blu ray etc
Funny part is a rotted disc still has value compared to a digital game
>>722112209We should build 2 big mirror, one on earth, the other in spaceSend every info to the space mirror so it will get back to earth mirror and get send back to space ect
>>722110907Do anything but leave them out in the open.individual cases, a large case, spindles, or really anything, yeah having sealed cases or places is better, but you will be fine for the most part.I have burned CD's that are over 30 years old and still perfectly fine and I semi regularly use. my brother has some from the late 80's, before I was even born, that are all still perfectly fine.I think pressed discs rather than laser burned ones are even less susceptible, so legitimate products really will last a lifetime easily.this isn't really a problem unless you are leaving them like inside something in bad conditions for years on end and you don't need to worry about it.
>>722125338"SMR" drives should be avoided like the plague, if you care about your data.
The cheap market CDs on which I burned pop songs downloaded from Kazaa 25 years ago are still all good as new.
>>722110595organic things decay retardthe fact that is solid has nothing to do with its lasting powerI wish idiot anons like you just exploded and left this site for the people who can actually have a conversation without shitposting
>>722113078Moisture,extreme heat and direct sunlight would be the 3 factors most likely to cause degradation in optical media. Manufacturing issues are a factor too as certain batches of laserdiscs have had major problems as well. Most media should last for decades though if it is stored properly
>>722139853>>722139364Does this mean you can also modify the game backup? I unfortunately have to do that so it works on an emulator. The EULA says I can't reverse engineer or disassemble the game or mod it.
>>722110907wait until you find out that almost all super nintendos are suppose to break down in the next 5-10ish years.the capacitors have fluid in them that knowingly breaks down after a few decades and corrodes the motherboards.it's not preventable in the best of cases unless you purposefully remove the capacitors and put new ones in, which most people won't.rip in peace.
>>722113486Cassettes were by far the physical media for portability and use in places like car audio systems. You can basically toss those things around anywhere and they will continue to be usable in most circumstances. The only major issues are the degradation of quality over repeated use and the potential for the tape to get jammed which doesn't happen often but can potentially ruin the cassettes of it does
>>722110907Switch to digital
>>722111090>>722110827Ok the "is that a rapier?" is 100% a samefag because I dont see shit in the original picture.You sad pathetic faggot
tell me anons, physical media or get it digital deluxe?
>>722123869We build your houses, your castles, we pave your roads, and still you walk all over us. Do you ever say thank you? No!
>>722111051I used to think this too and then I tried to find a few old games I want to play and would you look at that the originals are nowhere to be found only "Extended Edition" everywhere.
>>722110595just dont fuck your discs and they wont get your herpes bro
>>722110595Yeah but that disk is fuckin pretty though
Man, that one image was completely accurate. Images like this just flow from one source and spread to multiple websites. I saw this image on Twitter, and I've seen LOTS of images over the years on /v/ that come from Twitter, but where does Twitter get them? Probably Reddit, or vice versa. If anything, 4chan is the last website to get these images, though sometimes I see 4chan images that gain popularity on Twitter, so it can go both ways. A lot of anons just "steal" things from Twitter and then post them on here. It's very common unfortunately. They do not care. I'm convinced a lot of people on here have multiple social media accounts, but they'll never admit to it. Yes, you have a Twitter account. Yes, you have a Reddit account. Yes, you have Snapchat. Yes, you watch Tiktok. You're not outlier, I assure you. Social media consumption might go down with age possibly? You have to look at age demographics for people on this board. A lot of men in their 30's might not be consuming social media as much as men in their 20's. Reddit is a great example of negating that theory though, as I'd believe that a large part of Reddit's userbase is older people, specifically men who have families or are in their late 20's to 40's, so it's interesting to see such older people be so interested in social media but just on that one level. It's even more interesting because Reddit has 1000000 rules compared to other social media accounts, so I'm assuming that demographic likes a heavily secure/policed space. Well, that's not really fair though to assume as A LOT of users on Reddit have expressed disdain for the heavy-handed rules/moderation for years and years now, so maybe they've just learned to live with it.
>>722110763>Old ass speaker>Wood paneling >Filthy chair that is clearly dilapidated >Ostentatious rug >Keeps collection in a box >No organization system >Doesn't cut nails >Katana in the background
so far the only discs I lost are the ones full of scratches, I wish I treated them better
>>722110907Just start a monastery dedicated to copying discs by hand, so a shadow of the legacy of the american empire may get to live on through the coming dark agesShouldn't be that hard to find enough virgins austitic enough
I have tons of DVDs and CDs that are still in pristine condition. How do you even get it to rot like that?
>>722146534NTA, isn't it this?
>>722110714all physical media will die eventually, anon, even in an airtight sealed box. constant background radiation degrades discs, even, so theres not much you can do.Not to mention, assuming you actually use the disc, the act of reading and writing to it, be it game or music or whatever, degrades it too.sure you get like 1000 uses from the start, but subtract time wear, laser damage, tiny microbes, acid from your hands etc and suddenly after ~30 years its on its last legs despite not being used anywhere close to 1000 times.same reason why all media will die, even digital, as constant errors in copy and pasting data will eventually make even digital records fail.Time marches for everything.
>>722111685Get off my board you fucking normalfag
>>722111685insanely based
>>722148054>constant background radiation degrades discsdo you live in chermobyl kek
>>722147820that looks nothing like a rapier, it's an obvious samefag
>>722147593Manufacturing defects or genuinely garbage storage conditions. Pressed optical discs can last basically forever if not physically damaged and (non-rewriteable) burnt discs should also last for decades as long as they're protected from stuff that can alter the dye layer (heat/moisture/light).
>>722110763>Not my problemthat fungus youre growing on your toe might be though.
Do you realize you'll die long before any of this permanent storage shit would matter? You can't hoard games and porn into the void.
>>722110982toughest lesson of all, i will spend the rest of my life battling this.
>>722110763>He says while sitting next to a box of vinyl, a format so shit it will literally kill itself all on its own due to sheer force of hatred of its own existence.
>>722148054Two more weeks and the CDs I've had from the 90s will stop working
