>>722132072
ayo you used the icon
you're a champion

I dont see reddit talking about it
So its fake
Maybe

>>722132318
reddit wont even let archival discussion take place when pre-approved

>>722132318
Are you retarded
We don't want reddit talking about it

>launch old league
>play arround
>everything is clunky
>not a single QoL
>close game

thirdie game

>launch old league
>play around
>everything is clunky
>not a single QoL
>have fun

>>722132471
t. zoomer

>>722132318
Not fake
Very buggy. Just for turbo autists currently.

Is this like source code leak shit or just a patched executable
Can i add custom shit into it is what im asking?

>>722132746
Reverse engineered server

>>722132572
>get 5 people to play in a private server
>no one wants to play support or jungle because the roles are unplayble garbage

I don't remember if lee sin was available and if there were bans back then, if not then fuck are all games going to be boring as shit when that character was broken as shit but no one knew it back then

>>722132807
It's fucking season 1, there is no "meta"
You don't even need a jungler

>>722132807
just because jungle as a role had not been buffed to the point of dictating the entire game, did not mean the role was bad
some of the most fun I ever had was back in season 1/2 when you could pick shaco and focus purely on fucking one person out of the game

Does this require the chink malware that modern league comes with?

>>722133073
if it's reverse engineer, then the answer is obviously no

>>722132846
This is like people playing goat in yugioh or wow classic, Theres no magic in wow classic when everything is hyper optimized already

back in the day there was no information but now we have 10 years of documented game changes

>>722133232
>This is like people playing goat in yugioh or wow classic, Theres no magic in wow classic when everything is hyper optimized already
No it isn't, because nobody has played this version of the game in like 15 years. That happens in WoW because people have been playing the private servers of vanilla for that entire 20 year period.

>>722132746
Yes you can
People are already adding custom skins

>>>/vg/541032473
it's still viable if you go mid
dorans blade > manamune > ludens > cryptbloom

Where did it all go wrong with League? I haven't played in years but I think the last time I had any fun was in Season 3. Before the trinket shit and heavy handed forcing of competitive down everyone's throats

>>722132807
Didn't S1 still have wriggles and several other fucking crazy jungle items?

I downloaded anon's all in one thing to get it to work
>>722122941

But how do I use anon's patches with it
>>722121684

The champions he added aren't there, I'm sure there is a way to manually just select them though

>>722133772
they were items to kill jungle camps, not items to kill enemy players

you had to buy a whole item before you could start having fun
>having to spend 2.3k gold just so you can kill jungle monsters without dying

>>722134210
>>722132807
Tbf the Jungle role was never meant to be, and it fucked up the game.
It's the reason nowadays League is so gold starved and dying in lane is basically game over at higher skill matches.
The jungles was supposed to be open to everyone.

>>722132746
Apparently you can add your own heroes.
I didn't see anyone trying to mess around with the heroes skills and stats however since they're mostly focused on making it stable.

But yeah, it seems like you can create your own abilities pretty easily since they're all Lua, the hardest part will be creating animation cycles for them.

>>722133609
Hey thanks fren!
Holy shit could that general be more dead?

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>>722132072
>the thumbnail on archive.org

How exactly do you break the gameplay trap Riot fell into overtime by strictly categorizing heroes into their roles? I've got a solution. DotA already did it and it's FACETS. Basically Hero variants.

>>722133631
Yasuo. Yasuo is exactly where it started to suck.

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Keep the torches lit, bros. Thanks for the pretty nice and comprehensive launcher, simpleanon. It will help the less tech-savvy users get into the game and enjoy a slice of the old times.

Make sure to check out the repo linked in the OP if you are so code-inclined and can spend time helping solve the issues with the server, or peruse the very rough-in-progress wiki with information about League's systems, as well as a handy guide of IDs for Runes and the like.

Every little contribution helps.

>>722134776
Riot's problem was that they'd ban you for taking people out of their role, not that you couldn't do it.

>>722134782
Yasuo was just a symptom of Lee Sin and Zed.

>>722134782
Lee Sin being able to wardhop was a bad omen for things to come.

>>722135017
Yeah, but there were still good champions released after Lee Sin and Zed. Yasuo is when the norm became rancid dogshit.

>>722134834
I got banned for playing off-meta back then.
It wasn't ideal, I admit, but it was fun and I didn't throw away the games, wasn't ranked either.

Things like Proxy Singed, Le Blanc ADC, AD Malzahar, AD Thresh, AP Rengar, ADC Ahri.

I got so assblasted I created throwaway accounts and spammed scripts, I had a Kallista script that would delete you instantly with enough stacks, never missed a Q and could jump automatically.

Riot create their own haters.

>>722135264
You'd have loved Yone.

>>722135324
>I got banned for playing off-meta back then.
Suspended* Multiple Times*
Ban is losing your account if I'm not mistaken, no?

>>722135253
My biggest grip with Lee Sin on release wasn't his insec potential or skill ceiling, it was just that he was too strong at all points in the game and Riot and the community refused to nerf him because of "muh skill".

Thing is, skill has more to do with forgiveness than mastery of mechanics.
And Lee Sin was one of the most forgiving champs of that time, you could fuck up your combos and still come up on top.

Urgot was harder than Lee Sin, prove me wrong.

>>722134701
bbcposter returned a few days ago and since then we've had a mod hand out 3 day bans like candy

It is October 1st, 2025. I am still feared by Fiddlesticks. Please, it has been 15 years. Make it stop...

>>722135324
i knew that retards who hate on vanguard are stinky chink cheaters

>>722135665
Urgot wins lanes.

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>>722135995
Should've let my bananas alone, Zed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emUQSITvuVE

>>722136263
It was required of you to win lane with Urgot back then.
Lee Sin had back then, one of the strongest early games, jungle clear and mid game, on top of not falling off late game due to the utility of his ult.
Urgot was way more unforgiving.

>>722135253
The problem was and is Koreans who clamor for more of that shit. Fucking awful people with awful taste.

wanna bet that theyre using vanguard to monitor activity in these threads somehow? i wouldnt even be surprised if this was true

>>722136649
If you don't like outplays enablers then what do you like?

im bored during my arena match. ask me whatever autistic league of legends related question you can think of and i will try to answer it

>>722137019
What do you think of adding buyback to league (ressurection = gold).
What do you think of sharing rewards equally with all assists on kills?

>>722137121
>What do you think of adding buyback to league
bad in the current world we live in
>What do you think of sharing rewards equally with all assists on kills?
it would solve a problem that only exists because the social standing of the game is so low but it also removes any strategic advantage in the end. doing this moves you closer to hots where exp is team-wide and uniform which is retarded. id be in favor of it just to shut some retards up that throw away their advantage, not because it really needs to be done

>>722132318
There's context to why. The way that subreddit is moderated is a story of it's own. It was practically usurped by Riot in the early days because the game discussion always mainly took place there. Try and post this news there. You don't have to worry. It will be removed. You will be creeped out when u notice how they behave in general.

>>722136745
Champs with mold breaking abilities. Winning by having a better strategic grasp on the map.

>>722137121
>>722137348
>sharing rewards equally
It should've been the default, it's baffling how a game that is supposed to be about teamwork mostly between strangers goes out of it's way with so many mechanics and design choices that promotes in-fighting and the opposite of teamwork.

>>722137468
So DOTA then.
League is more of a micro, the fighting games version of a MOBA.

Hypothetically with this how easy would it be to make your own maps?

>>722137601
>Make
Good luck
>Port
Doable

>>722137557
It wasn't always that way. That's why it went horribly horribly to shit. I also despise DotA's jungle and clunky shit like creep stacking.

>old season good
>new season bad
aside from tranny champs being injected into the game, league is way better now than it's ever been
have fun placing your gay little quints and seals for hours before you actually get to play the game

>>722137738
zoom zoom

>>722137738
No, fuck off Riot.

>>722137738
I literally cannot play the map I want to play.
Half of the champions I want to play are gone and replaced with shit I don't want to play and this exists because of """skill expression""".
No.

>>722137738
Runes were way better before, buying then was the problem.
Runes nowadays are there to make you fill your role in the way Riot WANTS you to play.
Runes back then could be used to push your gameplay style to many different directions.

Masteries were iffy.

League Map is much better nowadays, the plants, monsters, herald, elemental dragons are all good good additions.

Most Reworks were good but what they did to some champions should've get some people fired.
What the fuck is the new Aatrox?! They deleted a champion and made a chinese-knock-off Riven ffs.

Draft Pick should've been there since the first iteration of the game so faggots wouldn't fight for mid in every single match.

Trinkets are better than wards.
Mythic items are just poorly designed, it's not a bad idea in concept but holy fuck they're bad, and of course they're bad because of Riot hyper-fixation on META META META.

The forced meta, the forced support and jungle role plus the champion bloat is the fucking bane of modern league.

>>722137738
new asol is a disgusting abomination and still nobody plays him
why did they delete my champ for nothing

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>>722138240
The meta is there purely for e-sports.
That's it.
Because with a pre-fixed team, it works.

But league will die because of it.
In solo queue the meta promotes the worst possible experience.
It's a mess for new players to learn, making the game destined to die in the long run.
It create a role that basically decides who wins the game: Jungler.
It made all lanes starved for gold and thus if you get counter picked there's nothing you can do except beg for the all mighty jungler to save your ass.
It isolated the player on the top since it's so far away from the "event zone" that is mid-bot.
It forced players into a role that nobody really wants which is support.
SUPPORT was supposed to be a play-style choice not a pre-defined role.

And lastly it created the most obnoxious role in the history of games.
The ADC.
The "protagonist" of the games, all CS has to go him, all kills MUST go to him, we all have to protect and cater to the protagonist of our game whose spoiled ass attracts the worst kind of players.

Fuck this shit. The Classic Serve can't come fast enough.

>>722138912
>The meta is there purely for e-sports
And it got so fucking BORING with time.
There's no innovation, there's no risk, it's like watching a soccer game where one team makes one goal at the beginning and then holds the ball for the entirety of the game.

>>722139082
It's not just about innovation, you can still play a different rune and build and whatever but doing anything else often results in a huge risk and you fall back incredibly more than had you played the highest winrate build and runes.
Back then you could accidentally load the wrong summs, masteries or even could only afford Mr and armour runes but still be fine in the game somewhat and not an instantly lost game on loading screen.
The modern runes are super simplified and yet they had to rework the inspiration tree multiple times, and again in domination, the runes back then did not have that issue if I could recall. Only issue being the grind for it and the pages. If someone makes a server I'd like champs, runes and pages to be free and all masteries unlocked for selection.

>>722138912
you have no idea what you're talking about

>>722133631
The answer is always Karthu- no, it's definitely Thresh. Season 3 and Thresh killed the game.

>>722139565
They were additions, nowadays runes are a necessity to fill the role the way Riot wants you to play.

Runes back then:
>+2.5 AD
Runes now:
>Add 3 stacks of fart to give your champion the fartmaster status for 7.5 seconds while in fartmaster you champion can have adaptive fart energy that slowly decays for over 6 seconds has a cooldown for your sphincter to adjust.

And instead the runes from back then let you customize your champions in more interesting ways than the runes from now, why do you think is that?

>>722139673
You literally can't prove me wrong.

>>722132072
>Launchers
You forgot to add one more link

>>722139956
TRVTH NVKE
That's exactly how all runes read now lmao

>>722138912
The funniest thing is now that they're now completely transparent about how they manipulate shit
They just gigabuffed Jax, who was already A tier at minimum, because they "want him to be meta defining at worlds". They outright said they want to change the meta how they want, that they will deliberately overbuff an already strong champion to be first pick/ban every game so they can sell more skins of them later.
I fucking remember back when the Tribunal was actually made up by players because the entire gimmick of league was that the community decided shit on its own with the freedom given to it. If 5 dudes all decided you calling your 1/8 top laner a faggot was justified then there was no punishment, no fucking bot that automatically silences you and puts you in loser's queue after X amount of reports.

>>722139839
It was past the point of no return by s3 but I'd argue vayne was the first nail in the coffin. % Max HP true damage is completely cancer design that is what pushed all tanks to just be beefier DPS since they literally could not tank against that so they just had to DPS race it.

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>>722135264
in hindsight, yasuo was still just an omen
there hasn't been a single good thing released outside of vex since picrel popped up in preseason 8. pyke's not counted because on release he was fucked up and at best he's just a hook champ for people with ego issues and milio's not counted because he's an enchanter

>>722140326
Vayne got that because metagolem was completely out of control at the time.

>>722139956
>why do you think is that?
Granularity, simple as. Its the reason why smite 1's item system was superior to league's.

>>722139956
I think people just hated the idea of grinding it and having to find the best rune combo to load out since masteries were also done as a separate thing.
What they could've done was made those free but find a way to quickly apply the runes and masteries for loadout, the current "most picked" choices and auto load is convenient, they should've just done that but for the old runes. Also instead of slotting each rune in the page piece by piece, it could've just been selecting 2 major runes and some minor off a selection rather than a drag and drop interaction for each little bit.
Or for flexible values you select the 4 or so runes but use a slider to divide from 100% as 25% each as default to however they want. Eg: 30% cooldown, 20% gold gen, 50% ap, that's all the runes for an R bot Karthus loadout.

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Holy fuck you guys weren't lying.
Not only I had to restard my PC and it took 4 more minutes than normal here's my memory usage now that I have to keep vanguard on.

What the fuck is this shit?

>>722140654
There's a reason I genuinely hope some random chink figures out an exploit and lies low with it JUST so he can get into Riot systems and absolutely fuck their shit up. Kernel level anticheat is cancer.

>>722140571
Doesn't matter, still should've been % current true damage to counter resistance tanks or % max physical damage to counter healing tanks. Doing both just means that guys like maokai can't exist unless they get buffed to do stupid amounts of damage like heartsteel faggotry.

>bluds would trash the whole new rune system because they cannot have a quirky 1% crit rune that matters once in 1000 games

>>722140654
I've never had this with vanguard unironically, but I did have that on windows in general like opening the start menu or checking how much cpu/ram my browser takes or some basic stuff. Funny thing is I always manage to peek a 100% on them in my task manager before it dips to 40% constantly. This is on a new laptop with no League installed. Idk new devs and tech manufacturers seem kinda sloppy in general, makes sense there's some security breach that happens almost daily these days.

>>722140838
Anon, you're free to tell us how and why the new rune system is better except for the fact that you don't have to buy it.

Go on explain to me why if I want something simple like more CDR I have to take a bunch of unrelated shit that I don't even want on my champion.

Explain to me how adaptive random buff % under Y condition is better to me than me being able to choose what stats I want.

>>722140838
it's hilarious seeing these uncs put these janky outdated systems on a shrine
it's gonna be even funnier when I disrupt their little boomer gathering and shitstomp them because the fundamentals of old league and new league remain the same

>>722141068
>the fundamentals of old league and new league remain the same
>WTF WHERE'S MY JUNGLE ITEM/PET/ITEM/ITEMS/FREE REGEN

>>722141068
You're going to get absolutely fucked up in Dominion and I'm going to laugh at you.

for those curious I ran the numbers, assuming its ONLY in english and only the game without the client
>first patcher system 0.9.22.14 to 1.0.0.117 its 48gb
>second patcher system 1.0.0.99 to 1.0.0.154 (the last patch before season 3 begins) its 495gb
in case anyone feels like trying to take that challenge on just know what kind of mess youre walking into

>>722140958
old runes were just boring ass stat sticks that only mattered for the laning phase turning them into glorified coinflips

it was such a god awful system, you could lose game before it even began because you just get stat checked for no good reason at all

>>722141242
>Critphite
>Goldplank
>Full Crit Tryndamere
>ADC Mages
>He doesn't know

You lose lane nowadays for losing the wrong runeset too, so I don't know how that's relevant.

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>>722140838
Tbh I'm ok with the new rune system but, Iike, the huge description bit which is a majority of the rune page which is just the old mastery system (which desu was kinda boring and people only liked thunderlords anyways and i didn't like how it had to be the 1 and a half tree).
I just don't like the armour/health/ad/ap bit in the corner, it should have every miscellaneous rune the game used to have like crit chance and gold gen, with maybe a slider for decently good values, i think that bit in the corner is underrated and should be just as involved, currently it's just not doing as much as it could.

>>722141362
yet i do not see the benefits of having stat sticks
they are just bland and boring, with the new runes atleast you can adapt a certain playstyle arround them

even if you get countered you still get to play the game

>>722141234
>Half a terabyte for Beta to end of Season 2
What the fuck how?

>>722141648
See >>722139956 and >>722140575

>>722141234
Isn't most of it junk and logs?

you know why I really want to play old league? because Im fucking tired of how the games been balanced for years now

>>722141771
no its literally each build of league one after another

>>722132072
I've learned my lesson after Chronoshift.
I don't need to cringe to death to another *tips fedora* from Zed.

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>>722141940
And they've been doing it for over a decade?

>>722141715
runes were so optimized by the end of season 2 it was a sytem that had no reason to exist
everyone just went
ad-ap red and quints
armor yellow
mr blues

if the system was so worthless they could just have removed the whole system and gave everyone +10 armor +10 mr +20 ad-ap and nothing would have changed

>>722141648
They're only bland because of how insignificant they've become compared to the modern games items and runes which have way more things going on which gives players a more proactive way to go about interacting with the game. However because of that it's become more simplified and therefore restrictive since what players what to get out of the champ is getting more deeper and precise, I'd presume some champs are so reliant on certain runes and items now that they maybe completely unplayable if those things are changed.
What the boomers like about the older system is that despite the old runes being flat stats every champ can involve themselves in it equally and that the players can adjust it to their liking which in a way provides more agency and they are able to see the changes of those stats in the game since it's more noticeable despite seemingly boring.

>>722142060
this is why its so hard to store so much shit. i can gladly tell you how i spent the last 8+ years saving all this shit patcher by patcher

>>722134758
phaaaaaaaaaaahahahhah

>>722142064
A big reason it was 'optimized' is because buying new runes and pages all cost IP, and without multiple pages you could not have shit for multiple champions; you couldn't edit your runes on the fly until the runes/masteries rework, only out of the lobby.

So since you couldn't edit and you were limited both by what kinds of runes you had and how many sets of runes you could use, 90% of players ended up having very generalized sets of runes unless they shelled out big bucks to be able to spend all of their IP on runes, instead of champions and rune pages.

>>722133631
for me it was xin's release
really paved the way for braindead retard heroes, as well as chinese appeasement

>>722141939
It's not good
But that is kinda the point. Just having fun with bullshit. I'm excited for it to get a bit more stability so I can play it at a LAN party
>>722142064
Yeah. But things like a tryndamere always critting in lane and snowballing was funny to see.

O-Old Karma?

>>722142082
Thanks fren, saved me some time.

>>722142064
See >>722142082 also most people didn't have money to spend on runes and LoL was punishing off-meta picks by that time, which was where those runes shined most.

>>722142136
Thank you for your efforts archive anon. I hope it pay off somehow.

>>722133631
Zed probably or whenever they started slapping 7 abilities on one button

>>722140838
Easier to balance simple runes than having to account for edge cases with yugioh card text keystone runes and a bunch of middling side effects that get nerfed if they ever make a difference. I don't even hate the new runes, but god damn it's annoying keeping a billion rune pages or needing to change them on the fly because oh this champ wants such and such and that one wants so and so.

>>722133631
Riot selling to tencent. Also Ahri was canary in the mine.

>>722142240
bro you are bringing up accecibility when im talking about optimal gameplay

it was not a problem of not having enough IP to buy runes, there was no secret sauce you can cook back in the day because it was mathematically bad to not bring 10 extra armor in your yellows

you can have all the runes unlocked, you can have all the pages unlocked and you still want to run the most generic garbage possible. supports wanted to run gold generation runes and it was god awful and thank god all the gold generation systems were moved elsewhere so now the role is playable

>>722133631
>Unfun Meta enforcement.
>E-Sports pandering
>Rigged matchmaking
>Balace changes based on profit
>Champion bloat for the sake of profit

Also lack of custom lobbies, but that's a fault for all multiplayer games nowadays, I wish I could shot the exect who came out with this idea that custom lobbies should die.

>>722135253
Lee sin and le bonk were such bullshit champs back in the day.

>>722142538
>so now the role is playable
It should never have been a mandatory role in the first place.
All your points about the runes were simple a matter of number tweaking since the runes were simple, Riot refused to do so, it's their fault the system was undeveloped.

The system itself was better than what we have now.

lots of schizospacing itt

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>>722142314
in case you want to read their writeup about it
https://technology.riotgames.com/news/supercharging-data-delivery-new-league-patcher
>laxorigin1 is glossed over hard in the article
>was a centralized torrent client more or less that patched over existing data so long as a sha-1 hash matched utilizing deltas where possible
>was ideal for low bandwidth usage on paper, in practice it was a nightmare of fucked up patching, so much so sopmeone made a prepatched client FTP for free
>specifically worked with incremental patches but had some ways to skip around, but the size ballons like crazy the more previous patches there are
>ironically super insecure as a result of how this works so you could patch into realms if you had the right data and knew the right paths (like testrealm and stuff)
>eventually RADS comes in
>instead of huge zips containing all the data, it has loose files
>each loose file has a revision, and can be called by any other revision really no matter how far it is down the line
>if that file didnt change for 7 years, you sitll call that same file from that same deployment
>this is great until you have a shitload of small files everywhere
>introduce a custom format called archive.raf which packs each revision's data to make it less brutal on the filesystem and pc
>due to how this one works it makes a shitload of calls to the cdn, more than the last one
>to alleviate this they also made temporary patch files, deltas like before but just to lighten the load
>this system worked fine until you had enough tech changes like making the .wad.client stuff
>if even 1 byte changed in a file, thats a new revision
>some wad files were nearly 2gb in size
>near the end of its life, the game data changed in such a way that the ballooning problem happened again
>is new replaced with the chunk system utilizing FastCDC
>new system is far more complex upfront, but doesnt suck at all to use
this is why patching went from 10+ minutes to 30 seconds

>>722142461
Yeah and if you don't have the proper meta high pick runes, build, gameplay to trigger maximum output on the champ then you lost, though the game is also more team reliant now so if you roll a single member who doesn't follow inline to their champs and demands then you also lose because you can't 1v5 as easily anymore and if you carry you have a huge gold bounty on your head to give the enemy team reverse sweeps, etc.
If zyras rune was just flat mr, armour and ap instead of having to go scorch all the time to rely on it or Irelia depending on bork so much that if its adjusted she struggles mid or something, then it's just not a great time. I think back then buffs and nerfs were also stuff like +40 ad and stuff like that so if that hits hard the players and apply 40 ad with a rune page as a sacrifice to something else to their own judgement. The players had control and flexibility like that.

>>722132072
So, according to the Gitlab, this is a fork of a fork of a project that was C&D but continued to be developed in secrecy? Why was it leaked now, and what are the chances that it'll stay available. Like how much of it is original code, and if not, how much of a recourse does Riot have if it's leaked source code (I know some leaked code like Starbound's source was never taken down, and even slapped repos like the GTA reversed sources are available right now)

Most importantly, how long will it be until it becomes easy to set up games of Twisted Treeline without niggas getting spooked by the shadiness of this all.

>>722141648
>of having stat sticks
Because those stats combined with champion design that isn't overly restrictive means you get to actually shift your playstyle around instead of just leaning more into what you're already doing.
There used to be hybrid items, champions used to have scaling based off what made sense for the ability to do and not what was necessary to make them meta.

>>722142714
what makes the new runes worse and the old ones

because there are so many gameplay styles and ways to adapt your game with the new runes

>>722142887
Why do you lie? No there isn't.
There's the set keystones that define the game the way Riot wants it to be played.
Only some Keystones are useful for X role or X champion, so you can only play in Z or Y style.

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>>722140654
>Memòria
RUN.

>>722141242
Old runes were there to facilitate different playstyles, new runes are there to help shape the meta because your champion has to abuse meta keystones well to be relevant, it's a fucking joke
>>722135324
sounds like bullshit, ap rengar, proxy singed, ad malzha were all very popular and well known off meta strats, nobody got banned for it, just because you were playing off meta while saying nigger nigger nigger does not mean you were banned for off meta stuff

>>722137738
Runes and masteries were simple and fun. New shit is gay.

Why is there such a large ass gap between DotA and League's philosophy but I don't see any game even remotely like DotA or even tries to re-apply its nuances and complexity. And now with Valve developing Deadlock, there clearly is a playerbase, though niche, that wants complex games that allows them to engage with the breadth of its mechanics.

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>>722143139
it was a different time

>>722132072
holy shit this comes with project nortubel

>>722143053
>Not Zed.
Phew.

>>722143124
Suspended, not banned.

>>722143139
Lol at its best (this server) is Beer & pretzels dota. You take it at face value.

>>722142887
Keystones are flaw in game design if player freedom and knowledge emergence is a factor.

>>722143192
"Ban" does not mean permanent ban.

>>722143227
Then banned, but do you expect riot stating that the ban was for off-meta picks?

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>>722133631
It all started to go to shit when they decided that 1/1/2/jungle was the "right" and only way to play their """""strategy""""" game. Completely defeats the fucking purpose.
Their constant "reworking" where they functionally deleted characters from the game and made new unrelated ones who happened to have the same name was the meat and potatoes of the execution and the remodeled map around 2015 or so was the final nail.

>>722143139
Because league wants to pretend to be an action game while icefrog fully understands that ASSFAGs are a kind of retarded strategy/risk management game where you don't control all the pieces. So league has shifted towards all these little micro decisions and reducing as much macro control as possible while DotA still understand that the macro game is the most important part and having shit like BKB or blink dagger is game defining.
Items in general are super important. All league items are stat sticks that get more gold efficient the fewer slots they use except some stats are just better than others and any unique passive is also just more damage/stat advantage but in a massive way instead of subtle like smite's stuff. DotA's items are all about the effects over stats but there are way more stats to meaningfully balance around (mana regen in league is practically worthless while in DotA its really useful for many heroes). You will be willing to pay several minutes worth of farming for an item that gives zero stats just for its active effect. It makes it a strategic decision about how you manage power in the early, mid, and late game since the most gold efficient item in the game is branch which obviously sucks to stack.

>>722143421
I understand that but I was more asking why there isn't a single developer that even remotely tried to at least match DotA's level of density. It's really bizarre looking back. Every single other game were competing on how to simplify the formula even more. Though it's funny that Blizzard all but admitted that they basically missed out in video game history with the creation of an entirely new genre of vidya under their noses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O67eH9ztv6E

Name a SINGLE fun fact about the game you think may be obscure enough to educate someone else in this very thread

>>722143665
Poppy make my pp hard

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>>722142251
xin zhao more like win nao
i remember hating that fucker

>>722143665
Rammus and Teemo were originally hero concepts for Dota.

>>722143124
No, he's telling the truth. My friend got reported and banned for playing support Veigar ironically like 6 months or so before it became meta, the carry in his lane just got unbelievably butthurt and reported him for trolling.

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>>722143665
riot put a nautilus statue in the ocean off the coast of australia to make an artificial reef

>>722143572
Oh, that ones easy
Because dota is an incestuous pit of more than two decades of development and only continues to have a playerbase via sunk cost captive audience. There is no expanding dota's playerbase at this point so publishers looking to break into that dumbass esports money instead simplify so they can try and attract casuals thinking that they'll pay all the esports and skin money then stand aghast because even if they did attract a playerbase a forced comp scene will never be as self-sustaining as a natural one.
But those suits are also too stupid to realize that casuals never want to touch an ASSFAG in the first place because, despite being able to deflect blame through its design, they lack control over the experience and just turn it off in a rage (you can see it happening in real time with Dragon ball gekishin squadra).
Nobody who wants to make an ASSFAG wants to innovate on the design, they don't think "hey this could be better lets make our own!", they just see the big bucks league and dota rake in and want to try to eat their lunch not realizing people lock into their live service games forever.

>>722143939
Okay but was he pulling his weight or feeding his ass off?

>>722144038
get me the coordinates. im on my way

>>722143665
the game used to be fun

>>722144053
He pulled his weight. Riot really would ban you for off meta picks if someone reported you for it.

>>722132072
Why should I play this?

>>722144181
just for the fact that its a part of vidya history and one of the longer running multiplayer games

>>722144068
27° 6.724'S 153° 21.888'E

>>722144053
There was absolutely a time where Riot would ban your ass for off-meta picks (less because of them actually checking the system and more because of it being automated like 95% of the time). Champs like old Urgot/Evelynn were shitposted about especially because the champ itself was off-meta

>>722132318
once reddit talks about it the semites at riot will be at work trying to take it down
like they did years ago

>>722143410
kek

>>722144328
no... the chrono BREAK is coming again..........

>>722144224
on my way when i get hired

You boys behaving yourself?

>>722144047
I was more talking about back then like in the 2010s, not right now. DotA would've been just still as popular and boosted in popularity when news of Valve acquiring the IP shook the entire PlayDotA forum and were giving out beta keys. I guess I'd be wrong to say there wasn't ONE dev that tried, I remember HoN but that wasn't even free for an almost carbon copy of a free map that you can already play online even in a pirated Frozen Throne disc.

>>722140604
You could prebuild like 10-12 rune and mastery pages and swap during champ select. That was more than enough to cover every playstyle and only wasn't enough for the most autistic minmaxxers.

>>722143192
There's a Zed edit?!?

>>722144690
That's 75 000 IP for the pages alone and you still have to fill them with runes, AND you had to unlock champions

>>722142738
Do most online games do the same?

>>722136745
It's not that I don't like them to a degree. It's that the Koreans who play these games are obsessed with this fucking bullshit to the detriment of literally anything else and there are so fucking many of them Riot caters to them. They literally want nothing more than to have a game where they can grind out execution for 16 hours a day so they can 400APM style on other people. It's the same reason they obsess over games like Starcraft and you only see like 1 or 2 of them out of over 10k people playing a slower paced game like BAR even though it's free.

They are genuinely a horrific cancer on anything they touch.

>>722144215
not one of the good ones at least

if we're gonna bring back season 1 can we at least implement riot lyte's anti-toxicity measures?
ya'll don't wanna know how toxic this game was before that lmao

>>722144690
You also had to buy every single rune page, mastery page, and rune with grinded currency. Most people didn't have more than 2 or 3 because they spent it on unlocking champions. People complained about having to grind that shit for a reason and their excuse was not wanting new players to have all that burden or some shit instead they just outright nerfed them relative to someone who had played longer.

played around with it, only thing I really learned is how shit the game used to be lol

>>722144851
>ward hopping is something you can only do after years of practicing for 16 hours a day
2 consecutive buttons lmao
and you are the same flavor of boomer that will vehemently defend motion inputs

>>722144905
Oh no someone is being mean in the chat, thank god nowadays nobody says anything and instead they will sabotage your game (which is completely undetectable btw and will not result in a ban even after a thousand of games)

>>722144808
IIRC you got to use runes across multiple pages. As in, you bought a rune and it would be in your "parts box" for all pages
But yes buying them was shit system and like anons said the only good thing about the new system is that its free.
I considered going back to league a few years ago and one look at how you unlock champs now instantly turned me away. They just had to make it more complicated than
>play games
>get IP
>buy champs
Because of course Riot must make everything complicated

>>722145078
You should sue your English teachers for failing to make you literate.

>>722144579
Back then there were tons of smaller ASSFAGs that did shit, they just never caught on for on reason or another, either having no marketing or needing to pay upfront for an online only game.
Shit like Demigod or Graxia or Bloodline Champions or all the various licensed ones like the 40k or DC ones.

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>>722145075
like you cant press e on towers? have to level up with mouseclicks? get minion cucked even harder than now? Maybe its cause I started playing in s3/s4 but I remember my first time experience being way better than this

>>722144820
A lot of them do something different. depends what game, how they want to do it, what limitations they have. steam uses a form of content defined chunking

>>722145179
many people dont realize how much quality of life there is in the game today or hell even back in season 3/4 compared to season 1

>>722145125
Dude bloodline champions was so fucking great. They just never really developed it into a full moba because all the complexity was in team fights. They made battlerite and repeated the exact same mistakes as before. That game needed creeps, items, minibosses, and objectives. Instead it just stayed as everyone fights mid: the game.

>>722145313
Riot was unironically small indie dev at the time and league hadn't taken off like it did later. So you see all the shit that was standard for a game developed in the late 2000s until they hit it big and were able to get more developers on board.

>>722145313
yep. while I'm blogposting might as well mention this dunkey video showing up on my youtube was the reason I started playing. so yea towards the end of season 3. you can tell the game already looks way more fleshed out compared to s1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzSGtoUMc7g

>>722145179
>like you cant press e on towers?
Yes that wasn't in her kit originally.
>get minion cucked even harder than now?
Good, creeps should be risky to play around to reward building free pathing.
>have to level up with mouseclicks?
Legitimate complaint but a minor one.

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>>722139956
>They were additions
I remember building my MFing Cho'Gath in these times. This was during a time I was confident enough in my own skills that I could sacrifice defensive options for alternatives like mobility or CDR.

After the changes to what it is now, I can't play Cho'Gath the way I did before, not because the systems are inherently bad (they are), but with the way the system functions as a whole, I'm pigeonholed into playing a SPECIFIC way in order to be "successful." I can't play ANY champion in an obtuse way to throw off the flow of the opposing team without completely gutting my own effectiveness. I can't even play AP Yi anymore without getting dumpstered.

>>722145098
Unlocking new champs felt pretty fucking great for the last few years until they decided to fuck it up again
>get enough xp
>open gacha box
>get discount coupon for a champion that you can use to get that champion 50% cheaper or use turn it into IP
It doesn't work like that anymore but it was very generous, especially compared to the previous system

>>722145478
my friend in high school told me to play, so i reluctantly did. i picked xerath as my first champ, and he told me to build "anything with mana" and i built 2 sheens and he yelled at me. i used to click the spell icons too

>>722145179
tristana was unironically a more fun character prior to her rework. new tristana is more words but all it does is lock her into the explicit gameplan of landing a charged E - succeed and you win, fail and you almost certainly lose. old tristana is a crazy strong early game lane bully, rare amongst ADs, but the absolute weakest midgame of them by far, but eventually around level 15-18 you'd scale back up into being one of the best. her power curve was wild and lategame teamfights were pure fundamentals, no bullshit.

>level up with mouseclicks
this was in the game even in season 1, but it had different hotkeys iirc. I expect it's due to this client still being unfinished.
>minion cucked
was a thing that every champion had to deal with, getting surrounded was tough but you could use it hampering your opponents to your advantage during lane reliably, it wasn't until riot favoritism with later champions like darius (specifically reworked darius, the riot approved retard top laner) who had 0.05 unit collision when it became a noticable imbalance, it's a hidden stat which made him excessively stronger over old champions that had to deal with it

>>722145313
I think the biggest qol feature that got added was being able to see shield HP on champions, it's crazy to think that once upon a time you'd be attacking someone being shen ulted or janna shielded and unless you saw the particle effects you wouldn't even know they had a shield on them, they just wouldn't take damage

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playing yasuo rn

>>722145590
God there is really something about ASSFAG players trying to get new blood in and they just become the most retarded niggers to ever click a mouse.
I have some buddies, who played league, who tried to get my roommate, who also played league way better than them, into Deadlock and instead of dropping him into the firing range or even a bot game to get used to all the shit they put him straight into a regular fucking match before he'd even played the tutorial. He went 1/9 or some shit on bebop and never touched it again because they were so fucking stupid they just thought the skill transfer was 1 to 1 or some shit. I don't get how some people are so fucking shit at teaching others.

>>722145749
That game mode is shit. Its like they wanted to take Smite's Arena mode, which is a good goddamned mode, and then butchered it on an altar somehow making BROOOLING unfun.

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>>722137738
>tranny champs
God I wish

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>>722145531
>After the changes to what it is now, I can't play Cho'Gath the way I did before, not because the systems are inherently bad (they are), but with the way the system functions as a whole, I'm pigeonholed into playing a SPECIFIC way in order to be "successful."
I feel this became even worse following the release of TFT. In TFT, your picks are all easily slotted into one or two categories, so it's easier for brainlets to understand okay, pick all of X and some of Y. Items became that way where you have things like...the crit AD category, or the lethality AD category, and you just build purely into them. Or flat magic pen where once you commit down it for one item, you might as well go all the way and go full pen so you can do true damage. It's streamlined design in the worst way.

Also because it hasn't been brought up yet in this thread, if any zoomers are ever praising season 3 saying it was good for the game, just bring up this single change to shut them up. This one line was the true harbinger of league to come.

>>722145680
dont get me wrong, props to the autists doing this on their free time and probably under legal duress from riot, but they probably should've started from something closer to s4, when the game imo peaked in terms of popularity and gameplay. I don't have any dog in this fight but if they want to emulate maplestory, classic wow, osrs private servers, they shouldn't choose from when the game was still a buggy mess trying to find its way to compete with dota

>>722145785
Lack of theory of mind.

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>>722145938

Does anyone have that one Garen and Gangplank comic?

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>>722146001
this one?

>>722133631
For me it was when they permanently killed champions forever by doing full "reworks" that are basically completely new champions

>>722146049
Thanks anon that's the one

>>722145956
I understand it, it just amazes me is all. Its genuinely hard for me to comprehend how they throw someone into a monumentally more complex game than league is without even letting him get a feel for the controls and think that's a good idea knowing full well that he's the kind of person who will immediately swear off a game over smaller bullshit than that.

>>722145785
i didnt want to play for the record but he wouldnt shut the fuck up til i did. now im archiving the game and a morde onetrick. pre-vgu morde hit something in my autistic head that was just right.
i went from a profound retard to docuemnting subtle mechanical complexities of each champion interaction with morde and tracking bugs. once upon a time pentakill morde in jungle would allow you to get a dragon ghost on execution without pre-applying the debuff on it, making that skin in particular genuinely useful in jungle. likewise there was this issue pre level 6 only in jungle where on occasion youll deal 5-6 digit damage on a krug for some reason, as long as its hp was below 40%. i have only ever seen it twice and i still dont know what causes it

>>722145785
Lol no need for the tutorial you have to jump in head first that how i got into the genre

>>722138912
trvke

>>722146351
>buggy morde player
fuck you

>>722146351
>old morde
>old swain
>old urgot
>old galio
Like so many tears in the rain. Riot just fucking slaughtered every genuine lane bully and zoner. You're not allowed to bully their shitty yasuo and riven paypigs unless you're playing like every single other bruiser.
>>722146452
Yes need when this is a man who swears off entire mods or games purely because they changed the UI of something, sometimes even when its an objective improvement.

>>722146708
the difference between you and me is i liked the juggernaut rework on morde

>>722146351
no one could in their right conscience play this garbage game. each season they add shitty catchup mechanics, whittle away at any way to snowball to herd every last retard into playing games to the end, and design characters and kits to look flashy on screen. it's revolting

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>>722141648
That's because Runes weren't the primary system. They were a system acting in conjunction alongside your Mastery Page (which was basically the actual 'rune' page). Old Runes are literally just equivalent to the substats at the bottom of the current runepage but instead of being restricted to what's basically 3 nodes locked between HP/haste/resists, it was 30 (? i can't remember the exact amount), with 3 primary stats, and 27 lesser stats, with selections across basically every possible stat including dumb shit like EXP or Crit Chance.

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>>722146708
>old morde
I'll never forget...

>>722146971
i edit the wiki to some degree. eventually you become conditioned to the bullshit. my roommate only plays arena now, doesnt bother with any other queue, and he asked me what atakhan does and my immediate response was "i dont know because it keeps changing and at some point i stopped caring. it doesnt make enough of an impact in the moment to even figure it out"

>>722141242
>Take 1 percent crit rune
>Win lane by pure chance
it was bullshit but it was fun kind of bullshit

>>722146971
>they're making the game too easy!
>they're catering too much to esports!
very orwellian

>>722147337
>dumb shit like EXP or Crit Chance
You say dumb, i say game winning. Hitting level six a wave earlier than your opponent just because you stacked a bit of XP in your rune page or sacrificed a champ slot to pick up zilean was a massive swing. Same with rolling that 1% crit Parrrley (though random crits in general are kind of bullshit for risk management)
And that's putting aside the REAL meme shit like more Gold per 5 so you could run fountain guard karthus.

>>722147374
member when 13 health pot morde was a legitimate strategy so you could bully your lane all the way until your gunblade/Will of the Ancients?
I member
I miss actual wards and mana pots

>>722147628
I meant dumb as in 'how the fuck did this shit fly', stacking EXP runes on the Zilsta (who already had a free +12% EXP boost for yourself [and also for your team]) was funny as fuck.

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>>722147668
>singlehandedly coinflipping on whether your would curbstomp top lane or eat shit

>>722147459
>easy
not easy. just shitty catch up mechanics because the hacks at the company hate snowballing
>esports
tourneyfaggotry ruined video games. everything has to look like a flashy "lc$ big play" as you faggot put it

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anyone want to carry and coddle a Lux main?

>>722147818
That's the thing most modern league players (90% of the community is plat and below or some shit, assuming they even play ranked which i wouldn't put it past to assume that a solid 40-60% of the community only plays arams, side modes, or bots) don't understand, raw stats on shit was powerful as fuck. I remember when Soraka's passive was literally just giving a dickload of MR to everyone around her and you actually needed abyssal scepter on someone just to return them to normal levels. The game was originally designed more in line with DotA's philosophy of everyone being kind of strong and harder counters (with items to cover weaknesses or counter strengths) being far more relevant. As they tried to push the APM action game "OH MY GOD HE PRESSED F!!!!!" shit they sanded all that down so they can pretend its an expression of skill to land a "skillshot" that travels a billion miles per hour.

>>722137738
>aside from
you lost

>>722143665
Gangplank was disabled from being picked (including Ranked) for like a week because he unironically died.

>>722147930
wrong thread to ask
>>>/vg/540957402

>>722148046
I think everyone knows this because people still mention that event time and again to this day.

>>722142714
>It should never have been a mandatory role in the first place.
It's not "mandatory". It's a natural consequence of having five players on the map but only four sources of gold.

>>722143665
Nikasaur sex erotic that one video of her spanking her own ass at Blizzcon in particular

download warcraft 3, download DOTA with AI. have fun and dont bother with this shit game

>>722148349
Sauce?

>>722148624
Nvm I found it, it's not that good but nika is a qt

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>>722139956
"Rune" is the best scam in history LMAO
didn't want to refund fake money (imagine the lost omg) after deleting rune so they renamed the mastery into "RuneTM" and it even force new player to buy rune page

>>722142538
>all the gold generation systems were moved elsewhere
Still into gold generation items, which were always the primary method for supports, they just made support items retarded because riot is fundamentally incapable of making the role good without someone else abusing its buffs which is why every support now is just a roaming killer.
But no, having some shit that outright nerfs your gold gain if you get too many last hits with it in your inventory is way better than just having Heart of Gold, Kage's Lucky Pick, Avarice Blade, and Philo stone.

every time i see threads like this im tempted to share some true never before seen shit but every time i talk myself out of it because its burned my ass before

>>722149129
feel free to explain how you won 1v5 with 12 fps toaster playing lulu AD

>>722148008
>so they can pretend its an expression of skill to land a "skillshot" that travels a billion miles per hour.
Fucking HATED how everything had to be a skillshot later on. Nearly every point and click ability was removed because SKILL EXPRESSION(TM). Like, it's ok to have easy champions, medium champions and hard champions, how hard is that to understand?

>>722133631
Jinx was the last good and the first bad thing that happened. So yes, S3.

>>722149193
last time i booted LoL i didn't even use skillshot since enemy where autostuning themself by doing weird dance instead of runing to tower.
10/10 experience

>>722149167
ive seen a milio pentakill in my ranked matches in emerald. i would believe someone saying they did that

>>722149237
All kill secured succefully

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Strangely, I'm kinda turning into an archivist for exactly this phenomenon we've got here. Lots of builds just being quietly kept in my 4tb ssd...
Godspeed, anons.

>>722135731
That sounds about right. Part of why I've advocated for keeping these threads here- niggerspammer never seems to touch /v/, probably because they'd actually nuke that shit from orbit.

I miss the old /lolg/

>>722149193
That doesn't sell skins because someone wants to pretend to be faker or whoever the fag pro/streamer of the week is. They want big flashy plays so they can sell $500 skins

>>722149463
Oh right, the $500 skin scam. How anyone can defend Riot after that is beyond me.

>>722132072
So wtf is this, lolclassic?
Does it require current league client or vangaurd?
How the fuck can I trust this isn't malware?

>>722149193
They were removed because they were way too strong. The problem was counterplay, not skill expression. If you laned mid against let's say Ryze + Nidalee/Elise/Vi, you were fucking dead whenever the enemy jungler showed up mid, unless your jungler was also there to countergank.
Targeted hard CCs are still in the game, but they are either melee (Renekton, Leona, Udyr) or require some setup (Annie, Ryze, TF). Or they're ults (Nautilus, Malzahar).

>>722149832
>counterplay
The counterplay should be buying BKB and not making the average time to kill less than 2 seconds.

>>722149585
People legit keep buying and gachaing for those skins too. I thought it was basically over after that Jinx and Ahri stuff in the earlier stages because the ratios were bugger or better or something but nah.
Though crazy prices in games are becoming a thing more often thesedays so less games are actually for kids now and aim more towards millennials.

>>722145179
this really makes me realize how shit the new map is.
all the space got cut in half and the whole rift became a caricature of itself. really doesnt feel like a map anymore but like a shitty fucking mobile game tile.

>>722149832
There's a very nice 75 gold counter play to ganks. Maybe you should consider it.

>>722149918
>not making the average time to kill less than 2 seconds
You can't have the casters scream "FAKER HAS DONE IT AGAIN" after a 5 man ultimate nuke if that's the case. Need those esport bux

>>722139956
>+2.5 AD
more like +1800 gold worth of AD for free
Just because the new runes are cancer, it doesn't mean you need to defend old runes
Remove that shit from the game entirely
It was always abysmally bad, and the main fault of League
...besides flash

>>722150390
Flash is fine. Ghost is just too weak.

>>722145785
Lack of empathy is the main reason for this. Once you realise a solid 80% of the population are soulless niggers you'll understand this phenomenon better

>>722150342
No play in league will ever be as impressive as a rubick reverse five man black holing an enemy team so they shouldn't even bother. But no champ in league will ever be as fun as to play as a cho'gall or abathur. League has just picked the worst way to go about their game that makes it the least strategic but also not even skillful.

>>722149720
>How the fuck can I trust this isn't malware?
Just scan the client.

Can I play this with other people or is this bots only?

>>722132072
simpleanon's launcher says it failed to download the client, any anon can help me?

>>722150838
They might've killed the gofile?

Someone just needs to check the downloader.py if the link theres dead and if so reupload a gofile containing "playable_client_126" or whatever ifs called in a 7z

Alternatively if someone can edit the downloader.py in order to dl from archive.org then extract and set it up thatd be more permanentn

>>722150645
I don't know who rubick or chogall are but I'm going to assume they are from some other MOBA. But yes, league is far simpler, which can be nice, and makes it attract a big playerbase, but the cracks start to show eventually

>>722145785
It's because League players only care about PVP and within that just Summoners Rift (ideally Ranked).
If you said you were introducing your friend to League via Coop vs Ai games then League players would probably find the discussion a waste of time or below them in general because it's not the "real game".
Regardless however, if a new player gets into League then they will have to make an account and do the tutorial themselves anyways, the biggest let down cannot really be blamed on the friend or the players but also Riot themselves for making one of the worst tutorials for this game that ignores basically everything except using spells (which varies on the the 170 different champs) and right clicking minions. Spamming Coop vs Ai games don't really teach you anything about the game either, nor should it really be the burden of the 4 other players playing Coop vs Ai to teach every new player the game formally. There's also too many things to learn from this game which is also overwhelming for the new player in general.
I have grinded out alt accounts on AI games and have come across some genuinely new players who will bring their entire team down if they play PvP and essentially quit the game even if you offer to play casual modes like aram to teach them a few things about the game (because there is a lot and it is a huge chore), or will just get reported because they're bad at the game to which people will mistranslate and think that guy is trolling, feeding, inting, etc. New players will just get filtered from level 5 to 30. And the ones who do manage to make it to 30 for ranked or whatever will have unoptimized gameplay, the ones who still persist and keep going would have been moulded and beaten by the game into enjoying it at that point.

>>722149918
>buying BKB
This doesn't fix the problem. Ryze can just press W again 15 seconds later, while his opponent has to spend a million gold on a meme item. No one bought QSS to counter Ryze's snare, it was a waste of money. There was no real counterplay, sometimes you just died.

>not making the average time to kill less than 2 seconds
...Ardent Censer meta? When the game was 4 supports and 1 carry vs. 4 supports and 1 carry, and everyone just farmed for 40 minutes? A meta so boring half the playerbase quit the game?

>>722150838
either download it manually.
or try another launcher
https://github.com/DaughterOfZaun/Fishbones/releases
it uses mega.nz + torrent

>>722151064
Fishbone's torrent is dead most of the time sadly

>>722151061
>15 seconds later,
If you haven't finished up whatever you're doing inside of 15 seconds then you deserve to lose
>QSS
because its a shit item because LoL items are all massive statsticks with no strategic value.
And if your game slows to an absolute crawl the second the TTK slips a bit too high then the rest of your game is designed like fucking trash with zero strategic value. You should not be able to play whatever infinite dashes shitter every game and not get fucked by on-target stuns, you should not be able to play the long CD burst mage every single game and not get fucked up by the anti-magic shield guy, you should not be able to play the close range but low mobility caster and not get fucked up by the zoner when he's picked.
You are inadvertently describing how fucking awful league is designed where a xerath or malzhar can't just completely shut out a ryze and then make more value on map objectives. Towers are too fucking strong, there is no map mobility, there is no real warding or counter warding, there is no real creep control, there is no actual building or counter-building items to cover weaknesses because they intentionally make those very few options outright worse than just stacking damage. League has zero fucking strategic or tactical value then tries to pretend its an atomic skill game by shoving dashes and paragraphs of text onto everyone except at the end of the day its still a game where you fucking right click to control your mans instead of something more sensible so it will never be an action game.

>>722151024
>league is simpler
Not simpler than HotS, which is where cho'gall is from, but HotS knows how to have fun and embrace being a casual game (before blizzard execs tried to force it to be another esport like retards)

>>722151164
too bad. i was considering using mutable torrents (bep 46) to distribute updates

>>722137424
>>722137424
last time i checked (last worlds i watched, 2022) its just forced esports drama and bitchin about expensive skins

The gofiles still up / works for me

If you have issues you just have to go to either archive.org or the gofile link itself from within download_client.py

Its "playable_client_126" in it and move that to lol_client/data/

I think S3 or MAYBE S4 would be kino. S1 was just too clunky, they figured things out at S3 and Rito wasn't bought by the chinks at the time

>>722151480
>Blizzard game being run into the ground by retards
That's just normal Blizzard. I'm not surprised at all.

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>>722145749
fun mode desu
clapping niggers is always fun

>>722151512
Just let them work on Season 1 for now, Season 2, 3 etc are a build up of 1, let them work on something and deliver one at a time

>>722151512
>no passive stacking
dogshit

>>722151561
they were 93% owned by tencent since 2011

>>722151747
They fully bought it in 2015 which is when lol started going to actual shit.

>>722151512
S4 reworked my wife Soraka. S3 was the last kino version of the game. V3.13 is as far up as I'm willing to go.
But as the other anon said, season 1 is the main priority. Or more specifically, patch 1.0.0.132 (early season 2) since it's the last one which contains all the stuff which makes reverse engineering the server easy.

>>722151924
Oh yea OG Soraka was retarded but fun. I remember building AD Soraka and killing people with bananas.

>>722150838
https://gofile.io/d/JDpGGN
https://mega.nz/file/uqRmkCKC#nJFZ2hAYqTq5q-T1PExXPpu0aX4ALjjZj2SZ4q9yCpk
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https://gofile.io/d/NWwyCL
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bring back seasn 9
thats when i started playing and ion wanna be dealing with clunky ass unc bs

I have no love for League or interest in playing this but good on the community for getting this working.

>>722150390
Kek retard, when they removed rune they gave those 18 billions of gold worth of stat to character with arbitrary number Rito picked themself

>>722151512
Season 4 is like the transition point between classic and modern League.
>removed Oracles elixir
>removed the 100000 sight wards
>introduced Support items (i.e. Medallion, Spellthief's, Relic Shield)
>Trinkets
>visible Pink wards
>Wight (which would then become Gromp)
>Smite charges
>Sion/Heimerdinger (tail-end of S3) rework
>Yasuo release
Definitely a turning point for support though, I forget if Ardent Cancer was S4 or later on

>>722133631
When they changed the value of objectives so pros did them more
I liked how winning lane was more impactful, also when they made jungle significantly easier turning it into a 24/7 no risk ganking role
Now it doesn't fucking matter what I do unless I roam to the point where I'm spoon-feeding my teammates
Also champ-wise, Thresh was probably the start of the utter bullshit

>>722152287
I stopped playing lol around what S5? I only remember that funny ADC with a revolver but otherwise the game just stopped being fun so I dropped it.

>>722152287
Ardent was 4.10

>>722140654
It just causes random crashes on my PC
Probably some other issue with it, but regardless vanguard is the only thing that triggers it so I use it as a reason to not play league

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Bring it back

>>722151985
this is basically every s3fag post summed up

>>722151957
Exactly. They nerfed her banana build and they also completely fucked her mana regeneration ability.

>>722152287
This is correct. S3 felt like "League as it was originally intended". S4 was the start of "League re-imagined".

>>722152606
My pc started shutting itself down after installing Vanguard or about a week or so though reinstalling windows and vanguard again hasn't caused any issues.
Still wouldn't recommend playing the game though, it's not as fun at the moment unless you got the itch.

>>722152705
>S3 felt like "League as it was originally intended". S4 was the start of "League re-imagined".
Yeah
>Got rid off the old soulful artstyle
>replaced slowly but surely with mobile fortnite slop
And now there's even shit like in game advertisements on summoner's rift during worlds. Sad.

>>722133631
Jungle niggers will deny this but it was when junglers became able to match laners' power level while being able to influence the entire map

>>722152701
>riot constantly says they want support players to be able to build damage too instead of being sightstone/ward/elixir slaves
>removes one of the cheap items that gives AP/CDR/mana regen

>>722152949
Probably some other champ in some other lane was "abusing" it with their inherently busted kit so riot would rather have an entire role eat shit instead of nerfing one or two champs. Every ADC item can never be buffed just on their own now because yasuo and yone get double value from crit.

>>722152823
jungler has hidden free xp comeback if they just want to gank your for 5 minute, just do a camp and your back to level 6

>>722152949
That item was very good on lots of middle liners because it was cheap.

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>>722153094
Not exactly because multiple champs were abusing it
https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/game-updates/patch-10-23-notes/

>>722137738
>league is way better now than it's ever been
Lol no it isn't. The game has had way too much powercreep. It's awful to play now. Every champ can one shot you. It doesn't matter whether it's Trundle or Syndra or support Pantheon. They can all one shot you if you're a squishy champ. We also have toxic items like Heartsteel which makes HP builders like Kench hit you with one auto attack for 20% of your HP while having 6k+ HP.

The game is awful dude. Dont even get me started on how support is now a pseudo jungler

god old league was so shit

>>722153807
I tend to agree with this, the current game isn't fun at all, it's like a game of chicken, who can hang around without overstepping first, because the moment you do, you die instantly.

>>722153094
Infinite mana+cdr+mr made it mandatory first item vs ap matchups in middle lane

>>722154045
Team fights used to last quiet a while in old League. Now they're over in 2 seconds because of the power creep. Everyone except tank Malphite gets insta deleted. The game became way too fast desu.

>>722153629
>mythic item patch
Holy god what the fuck were they thinking. They've reversed almost everything they changed during that time but holy shit what the fuck was actually going through their minds?
>we want more build diversity so instead we're going to implement a handful of build defining items of which 90% of champs will only be able to build one or two that are useful and then fill out the rest with cookie cutter
>we want more item diversity so we're forcing ADCs to build all 5 items crit if they want 100% crit rate (but still letting yasuo only build 2 lmao)
>we want more item diversity so lets just buff the items with the best stat spreads (damage, hp, CDR) to have even more of those
>lets remove ROA lmao
Just the absolute dumbest fucking decisions that are contrary to their stated goals in even the most basic theory crafting. I truly hope everyone who pushed for that shit got fired because it was egregious how long it lasted.

Some say that Detective Ashe is still on the case to this day...

ADC current build diversity is fucking awful. Yun Tal > IE > LW 90% of games.

This is going to get buttblasted onto /vg/ in about 1 day

>>722132318
most faggot post award

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if it gets moved to /vg/ just make a new thread on /vm/ instead
fuck going to /vg/

>>722148693
>is
Anon, I...

>>722130882
next op should say that its required it be in the c drive
that solves 99% of issues

Did anybody get custom multiplayer working? I've got people hyped for this

>>722154312
Its the most gold efficient build for max damage otherwise ADCs feel like shit until 5 items. Wild arrows especially is terrible for being insanely cost efficient and covering every stat an ADC wants but the issue is that ADC stats are pretty shitty until you have a lot of them so they just sit down there in the cuck corner farming and maybe showing up for a dragon fight while the other 4 go BROOOOLING. Its like DotA hard carries except
>they can't flash farm ancients or shit like that
>they don't have good kits for ganking or ratting
>they still don't end up as strong as dota hard carries
>they still only do marginally more damage than a bruiser build or even some tanks
ADC is the strongest role in the game and still feels like ass to play

>>722132072
Is it solo only or can it run multiplayer?

>>722154613
It works via LAN i.e. 10.0.0.XXX or whatever addresses
If you were to forward tcp via zerotier or ngrok it should work just fine

To avoid zeds wrath someone just needs to make a tracker service for it so that no server files r hosted on a server. Just announcing games that r live on a browser n forwarding them to eachother

>>722154234
Yes, don't you know that it creates build diversity by putting more limits on what you can build? How could this EVER not be the case? Oh you wanted Triforce and Infinity Edge? Lmao sorry!

>>722154716
Multiplayer works but it's currently LAN only, so you need to use something like ZeroTier, Tailscale, Hamachi or any other similar VPN.

>>722155053
That's still really based

>>722154807
if someone can make this and avoid leaking our real ips id suck their dick

>>722154840
The funny thing is that it might've actually been the case if the game wasn't league of legends and hadn't been designed for years around erasing hybrid scaling and off-meta builds. If champions weren't designed with specific item builds in mind it could've been neat. I guarantee you Icefraud could probably make it work for a few years before deciding its stupid and removing it.

>>722132072
Unless he lives in Siberia isn't he just going to get sued into the nether realm?

someone should add / alter the bat that dls the client to try
>gofile
>mega nz
>torrent
as fallbacks

and
make it dl and run
https://builds.dotnet.microsoft.com/dotnet/Sdk/9.0.305/dotnet-sdk-9.0.305-win-x64.exe

and warn if not in c drive

if nobody does when im home i will but thatd solve all the main issues w running it

>>722155282
Nah, not unless someone hosts an actual dedicated server like Chronoshift, they cant do much. Thats why everyones just using it over LAN or solo bots rn because no one wants riotzedsamas wrath.

>>722154504
just make a new thread here and call the modaration team names

>>722155169
You "just" need a rendevouz server for that. It's how discord and shit works.

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Never understood the seethe he causes.

We are trying LAN with a friend but his game minimizes and can connect, can any anon tell what can we do to solve this?

>>722155960
exposes mechaniclets

>>722133631
when they reshuffled champion LP costs and some champions became more expensive, rather than all champions becoming slowly cheaper over time

>>722156047
Does it work solo?
Is this over a vpn or same house?

>>722156134
It works solo for both of us.
>Is this over a vpn or same house?
We are using Radmin VPN (a program similiar to hamachi)

>>722156171
>>722156047
Are you both sure you're connected to the same VPN and is your friends client connecting to the correct IP address?

>>722155960
you must be retarded then

>>722156260
Where did Yasuo touch you?

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>>722142559
>Rigged matchmaking
Wanna know and easy way for guaranteed wins? Don't play for a few weeks. I climbed from gold to emerald using this method. Basically, when you don't play for a while, the game tries to reel you back into the ranked grind by giving you free wins. It's weird as fuck but always works for me. I'll win like 4 to 5 in a row after not playing for a few weeks. As soon as I lose one, I'll stop playing and log into another account and not touch that one for 2 weeks+. Then I'll log back in and receive another load of wins and repeat.

There's some kind of algorithm thing that basically hooks you with free wins psychologically if you haven't played for a while. Since the game wants you to grind ranked hard.

>>722156171
Its definitely smth w the vpn program
I wouldnt know what but when i get home ill test it with that too

>>722155960
He was released as a hero with free costs to his abilities and insane mobility in a time when every other hero (except lee sin and zed) had limited resources and low mobility. He felt like he was playing a different game.

This thread is probably the first time in years I've had fun in a thread since jannies love frying fotw random shit.
>>722148846
lmao the Rune system was the stupidest shit ever. I'll give modern league one thing, the free page/mastery shit is a significantly better system. Fuck all those people back then who argued that
>Well errr uhm the rune system is actually quite good!
And did tardmath to justify it

>>722156406
Seems to me they did it just for eSports. Since the outplay potential was pretty high. Yone is another similar one. It's cancer though because he just lifesteals back all the damage mages do.

>>722156171
Try hamachi, hamachi itself worked for me

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>>722156241
>>722156370
We are both connecting to the Local IP under the FOR LAN PLAY section we both can join the server and whatnot, but whenever we start the game he just cant connect.

>>722156447
That last part reminds me of another point, Yasuo's lane sustain was insane because of lifesteal combined with that stupid flow barrier that gave him free health (the passive, not the wind wall). I remember playing old Yorick and I couldn't bully him out of lane.

>>722156474
The server software might not give the VPN's IP but your own IP on your router
Assuming its like hamachi where it gives you an address to connect to on its own virtual network card instead of your own thats the one you must use, not the one from your router.