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Think of a game that completely and utterly destroyed your favorite series, name the first one that comes to mind
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RDR2
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>>722142828
OP here, I posted the wrong pic.
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>>722142828
It's that one. At the time I didn't except a game made by a company that focused on "narrative driven games" to have so many unbelievably stupid moments. I thought maybe it would get better with 3 but boy was I wrong.
>The opening scene where shepard dies by falling onto a fucking planet from space
>the very next scene where he gets brought back from the dead
>the council meeting where they dismiss the reapers and backtrack the ending of ME1
>kashley bitching at you on horizon after saving thousands of people from space bugs
>the shuttle to nowhere
>the human reaper and ending choice
>the arrival DLC
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>>722143476
never played that because op pic was so bad
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>>722142828
ME2 is the better game as a whole. 1 may be the first and builds the setting and characters but it still has jank and issues that 2 fixes. ME2's dialog alone makes it better than ME1.
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>>722143481
>The opening scene where shepard dies by falling onto a fucking planet from space
What about this is "unbelievably stupid"?
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>>722143506
>ME2's dialog alone makes it better than ME1.
no, it has better camerawork and voice line play pacing, but that is entirely where it ends
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>>722142828
Resident Evil 4
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>>722143504
Sorry, I mean I never played picrel because my replacement pic is so bad.
I love me some thermal clips, thougheverbeit.
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>>722143507
Most of his complaints are cherry picking nothing berries. The game even states Shepard was a pile of flesh when they found him but I guess taking 2 years to rebuild a person in a universe with aliens, FTL space traverse and space magic crosses the line.
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>>722143581
You can be wrong and dwell in your nostalgia if you want to but its a fact that ME2 has better writing.
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I wouldn't say it was my favorite series, but no game has done more damage than dead or alive penis vacation. not only did it send the series to gacha hell, it doesn't even have the same characters so it's basically an imposter game stealing the title. if that wasn't bad enough it's actually profitable so tecmo is even less likely to ever make a real dead or alive game.
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>>722143507
Killing off the main character in an attempt to "raise the stakes" and provoke an emotional response from the audience when he's brought back to life in the next 3 fucking minutes.

>>722143617
I don't give a shit what any faggot writer says shepard slammed into a fucking planet from orbit. He wouldn't have a body to recover he would simply stop existing. Either from turning disintegrating on reentry or turning into tiny, unrecognizable gibblets on the ground.
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>>722143617
Shepard should have been burnt to cinders, there should have been nothing to recover.

The only way killing Shepard makes sense is if you're going to replace him with another player character, otherwise having him die to just resurrect seconds later is the dumbest thing imaginable. ME2's main story was the beginning of the end for Bioware.

Side mission stories were alright though.
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>>722143392
'no'
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>>722142828
Mass Effect 3.
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I liked ME2. It wasn't the same but it was different in I think a good way from ME1. It's ME3 that basically turned me into a lifelong doomer knowing that everything I liked will be turned to shit
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>>722142828
This piece of shit gears of war clone made me completely drop the series. I have replayed 1 so many times but can't fathom playing the rest of the games just because they turned it into gears of war.
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>>722142828
Your favourite "series" was one whole game?
Whoa.
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>>722143960
>>722144184
Nobody cares.
Everyone liked it.
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>>722144369
Right? I mean, I like DA:O, but I don't pretend Dragon Age was ever a franchise, if it had exactly one good game in it. That's a game.
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>>722142828
The poor wording of this prompt is making me want to be a pedant.
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>>722142828
>Think of a game that completely and utterly destroyed your favorite series
Definitely Mass Effect 3.

Mass Effect was easily my favorite game series of all time until this trash was released. It is so bad, that I can't even replay ME1 or ME2, although they are absolutely fantastic games.
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Seems like the consensus as always is that EA buying Bioware ruined fucking everything
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>>722144957
Unlike many devs ea boughtededed bioware was shit even before that.
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Pokemon X and Y
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>>722144751
>I can't replay ME1 or ME2
Right there with you anon. I was 18 when ME3 came out and it legitimately sent me into a depression. It's actually how I discovered /v/ because of all the indoctrination theory shit. So in theory, ME3 ruined my life for making me check 4chan almost every day.
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>>722145048
That's when I gave up on Pokemon too. One shitting fucking everything isn't fun if you haven't worked for it. I gave Sword/Shield a try because COVID but it was the same thing, just fucking one shotting everything. It's boring.
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>>722142828
rope all contrarians
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I love mainline Persona games but the fucking spinoffs, my God. There have been so many, not to mention Persona itself is a spinoff or SMT. It's too fucking much
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1. Is really short and is the only one in the series that has a books pacing. It's odd, I don't know how to describe it, but it feels like it's derived from a book first more than either 2 or 3. It has high moments that are easily some of the best in the series like the first conversation with sovereign, but at the same time also has some of the most awkward and cringeworthy scenes in the whole series as well like when you throw Ashley from in front of the beacon it's so awkward with barely any music or sound effects other than footsteps. The combat is hella underrated imo. Imo it has the highest scaling out of the 3. If you get full upgrades and spec right you can easily clear rooms with minimal effort near endgame even on insanity. 3 shotting geth with polonium X pistol, or using lift on a whole colossus is easily some of the most satisfying gameplay in the trilogy. Also the citadel is just too big for how slow you move. If you could actually sprint I wouldn't mind but it's just a slog to navigate every playthrough.

2. A lot of things are better, the presentation, the music, the space-horror aspects. Combat feels objectively better, but I don't agree that it is ALL good. The scaling is nowhere near as good and even with good skill specs Insanity can be relentless to the point of it not being fun. The game is obviously catered to Soldier class Adrenaline Rush is just super broken. Vanguard and Sentinel are good as well, but biotics in 2 are by far the worst out of the trilogy even though I like their vfx the best. The fact that biotics don't go through shields or armor just makes them pretty much terrible against anything other than husks. You shoot away armor and shields and once you get to the health bar now it's pointless to use biotics because now it takes only 2-3 shots to kill the enemy now. That being said I love the story, a lot more than 1. Yes it doesn't really move the reaper plotline forward, but I can't really think of another game where humans (1/2)
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>>722142828
fallout 3 easily
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>>722145538
(2/2)
are under attack by an alien force so you band together a group of scruffs and outcasts and just say fuck it and go to their homeworld and obliterate them. It's just the ultimate badass game. Sure it's not perfect and has its issues, but ultimately none of that prevents it from being my favorite in the series.

3. WHEWWWWW. I could write so much about this game. It's obvious development was rushed, graphics and textures don't even look as good as ME2 in certain areas, tons of cutscene glitches to this day still, there's only 1 hub (i understand why but still), Kai Leng exists. Also a thing I noticed after playing the trilogy again recently is that it really is just SUCH a depressing ass game. Like to the point to where I just don't want to play it. Some good things.. The presentation is even more fluid than 2, It has no shortage of jaw dropping sequences, the biotics are 10x better than 2, and gun customization does help to revitalize the missing rpg-ness of the trilogy. But there is just so many weird and odd writing decisions I can't explain, tons of retcons, so many undercooked moments, and the ending is well....yeah THAT. I still love the game to death but NOWHERE near the first 2.
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>>722142828
Peak Mario Mandate bullshit
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>>722145675
I'd say Super Paper Mario is what killed it. Sticker Star was just the nail in the coffin
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>>722145201
ME1 preferrers were already there before you. and speeding up and smoothing out the pacing of combat or removing all non-essential features from ME1 - these decisions are not what a large cohort of ME1 players wanted for the series. you cannot dismiss that as a form of contrarianism. ME1 was setting up a very different kind of gameplay loop than the "streamlined" direction ME2 switched to.
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>>722145932
I liked ME1 even though it was janky as fuck. ME2 dumbed things down a lot but the combat was way more fun and cover shooters were the thing at the time. ME3 is just a straight up cover shooter with an absolutely mind boggling bad story.
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>>722145353
thankfully it is very easy to ignore the spinoffs, though Persona 4 Arena was very fun as a fighting game so I give it a pass
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Diablo 3
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>>722144751
>>722144957
>>722144321
>>722143476
for me it was the one-two punch of Dragon Age II and ME3
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>>722145914
SPM at least had the insane story going for it. Sticker Star has no redeeming qualities
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>>722145998
I dunno depending on how you play 3 it's less of a cover shooter than 2 was, I loved vanguard because you could basically just charge > nova spam your way to victory on most difficulties outside of the highest. the story does suck total ass though. if bioware planned out the trilogy properly and built upon the systems of 1 with the game feel of 2 and 3 ME probably would've been the best Sci-fi RPG series ever made
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Amazing how ME3 ruined fucking everything but I actually really liked DA2 and played through it a lot. It's DA Inquisition that also ruined that one for me. It's like Larian has to just become the new Bioware or something so good luck to them after some big company buys them out too
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>>722142828
From recent memory, probably Civ 7 and Frostpunk 2.
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>>722143507
Beyond it being completely unnecessary from a narrative standpoint (Shepard hasn't done anything to be worth resurrecting for), it's stupid how Cerberus out of all factions is capable of bringing him back when they got the dumbest most immoral scientists in the universe and it's stupid how there'd be enough of Shepard to bring back in the first place. Atmospheric entry tends to fucking wreck rocks. Shepard wouldn't be hurt by it, he would stop existing.

You can say all of this is nitpicking but ME2 does so many stupid things in its intro that it pulls you out of the game. It feels like it was written by someone who wanted very specific moments in the game and bent the Mass Effect 1 setting into something it's not to make those moments happen, internal consistency and logic be damned.
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>>722146228
In ME2 Sentinel is ridiculously OP once you get the semi auto sniper. The Engineer skills don't even matter, you can drop guys so fast and then the ME pistols have always been overpowered so you have that if they get to close
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Obligatory.

ME2 being a sidequest is fucking nothing, Shep stops the Collectors and helps his crew with their paternal issues. Halo 4 is written so poorly it is an inarguable fact that everything would have been better if Chief and Cortana had just died at the end of 3.
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>>722146281
DAI would be the better game over 2 if it wasn't so filled with open world filler nonsense easily. as is I still think DAI was better, but I'm never going to replay it because you spend too much time doing jack shit where I'm never going to replay 2 because it's stinky
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>>722143507
It's really fucking stupid but blowing up the Normandy and is kind of an action sci-fi trope
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>>722142828
Guild Wars 2 (or if you want to be a bit more lax with the definition of game, Guild Wars: Eye of the North, because that's really when the rot set in; EotN was basically a shitty excuse to shove all the lore changes into Guild Wars rather than into the sequel).
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>>722146406
I like DA2. I like the small setting a lot. The repeated dungeons are obviously retarded but it has its charm being set just in the one city
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>>722146179
DA2, SW:ToR and ME3 in a row was just unbelievable. ME3 should have just closed Bioware down then and there, with the utter uproar that last one created, specifically.
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>>722145080
I was so assblasted with the original unexpanded ending to 3 that i sought out people on the Internet who were just as assblasted as me. I exhausted everything about that in my native language and turned to English speakers. That made me realize that the english-speaking sectors of the Internet are a lot more filled wirh information and content. Mass Effect 3 made me learn English just so i could commiserate.
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>>722146597
it's a good executed very poorly, Disco Elysium does the smaller more dense setting thing better though the timeframe you spend in the game is much shorter than in DA2.
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>>722142828
Library of Ruina
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>>722146406
I can't agree. The combat gameplay is still worse than Origins, the characters range from utterly forgettable, to frustratingly annoying and it's really hard to sell your sequel on the premise that one of those characters is going to be your next big antagonist, when you don't really care for him, and then even more so when you retired your protagonist that has an actual issue with him, for some no name wanker that shows up in the franchise in the 11th hour. You can't even leverage the fucking ... what do they call themselves, the crazy bitches that liked the bald faggot, falafel-san? Something like that. Everyone knew DA was dead after Inquisition. Except Bioware, apparently. It seems that everyone is aware of things about Bioware, except Bioware. Like the entire studio is out of touch with the gaming audience. How strange that happened.
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>>722142828
Payday 3.
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At least it had a great run, and I quit consoles long, long before this turd was spawned. But, on the flip-side, sadly it's the R&C that's on PC natively.
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>>722146954
I would argue the """""""remake"""""" of the original with the movie tie in is what did in the series first
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>>722146954
They really just can't get that old PS2 era platformer right now anymore, can they?
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>>722142828
It's not really killing a series when it's the second game.
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>>722147000
Actually that's fair and I agree. I disregarded the weird remake as it's not an original title. That thing is like a fever dream it's bizarre.
>>722147028
It's baffling. Especially when you replay the originals (as I have this year and they're still legitimately amazing fun so it isn't nostalgia only).
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>>722147028
to be fair they couldn't really get it down during even the PS3 days, with each new entry the franchise turned more and more into a corridor shooter
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>>722143392
yep
I like it as a game, but it's plot is worse in everyway and retroactivly makes first worse
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>>722147087
Well for some reason they thought graphics were more important than gameplay at that time and have been that way ever since. I don't need to see every grain of hair on Sly Cooper's ass, just give me a fun game
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>>722143476
I liked ME2 but it really sealed the fate of the series when it came down to dumbing down the combat and RPG elements of itemization.

I think the biggest problem the series faced is the obsession with the whole reapers shit. They should have just ended that idea in the first game and had it more like Star Trek meets Blade Runner type thing.

I mean the whole Reapers just get there anyways kind of invalidates the entire theme of the first game where the Prothean scientists made their sacrifice to stop the Reapers, I like the idea that the Reapers themselves basically used the mass relays to hide themselves 50k lightyears in the void between galaxies and needed an agent to bring them back and now with Sovereign defeated they will need to spend 50,000 years traveling to get to the galaxy unless they can get some proxy agents to take control of the citadel
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>>722142828
Gothic 3. My hype was unreal and it was completely shattered.
It didn't only kill the Gothic series, it also abandoned the type of open world RPG the first two games were. Smaller but more detailed and evolving world, mutually exclusive joinable factions, starting out super weak, greater focus on immersion, etc.
As a result, the Bethesda model won out, and now most open world RPGs have huge worlds with copy pasted points of interest, you can 'join' every faction, fight tough enemies at level 1, etc.
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>>722146397
I think 4 gets too bad a wrap. What do you do with a character whos story ended in the last game?
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>>722148163
>I think the biggest problem the series faced is the obsession with the whole reapers shit
Bro that was the fucking point of the trilogy. It was meant to be one single story about the Reapers, you absolute nitwit.
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>>722142828
>destroyed your favorite series
>posts the 2nd game
retard
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>>722142828
Dragon Age 2.
And it didn't kill a series it killed the whole studio since it was a sign that EA started to meddle with Bioware and it's releases.
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>>722142828
>ME2
>darker and sexier than the first game
>rips out a lot of RPG elements
>cuts down the scope, lowers the stakes
>mostly unrelated to the first game's plot
>critics fawn over it
>fans laud it as the best ME game, if not the best Bioware game

>>722148492
>DA2
>darker and sexier than the first game
>rips out a lot of RPG elements
>cuts down the scope, lowers the stakes
>mostly unrelated to the first game's plot
>critics fawn over it
>fans lambast it as the worst (pre-Veilguard) DA game and one of the worst Bioware games

what gives? why did DA2 fail to be the crowd pleaser ME2 was?
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>>722142828
Mass effect never had much potential to begin with.
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>>722143960
>Killing off the main character in an attempt to "raise the stakes" and provoke an emotional response from the audience when he's brought back to life in the next 3 fucking minutes.
Shepard's death is not about provoking any emotions. It's an obscure plot point.
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>>722148163
>dumbing down the combat
combat in 1 was fucking awful what the actual fuck are you talking about
I love ME1 but the combat is barely serviceable
2 and 3 are such a huge step up
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ME2 was the best game in the ME series. Even if you liked ME1 more I don't see how it destroyed anything as it was effectively a filler. Still I would rather have good combat than bad combat with subpar rpg elements.
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>>722143960
>in the next 3 fucking minutes
it was much longer if you were following the marketing campaign at the time that was built all around Shephard dying.
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>>722146397
Halo 4 directly follows up the plot, all 343 games. You've simply missed its actual implications, because by that point it's too obscure to anyone unaware of underlying theme of cosmic war.

It is the same plot as in Demonbane and others. It's even written on the spacecraft Chieef ends up in.
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me2 hurt the industry but it's not because it's a bad game or it ruined the story or anything like that. it hurt the industry because it was a very early experiment into the "games as a service model". zoomers probably don't remember this, but the birth of GAS model begun when publishers were thinking of ways to stop second use copies.
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>>722150980
3 > 1 > 2
The combat in 3 is by far the best, no questions about it. Say what you will about the story, but ramming into enemies with vanguard will never get boring.
2 feels a lot jankier and barebones compared to 3. I actually prefer 1 over it, there's just nothing there for you to do in 2 other than the usual cover shooter fare.
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>>722142828
ME2 is the only good Mass Effect because it's funner but more dumber than 1. ME1 gets carried by the story. 3 took 2's dumb story and combined it with 1's boring combat and lackluster pacing.
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>>722151007
>Even if you liked ME1 more I don't see how it destroyed anything as it was effectively a filler
lmao what? It destroyed a fuckton of things. It's full of bizarre plot points, retcons and handwaves to twist the setting into ways it was never meant to bend, and made it impossible for ME3 to build on.

>I would rather have good combat than bad combat with subpar rpg elements
Then play a shooter.
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>>722151365
Now see this is how you bait.
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>>722151437
>muh thermal clips
other than that, ME2 did a pretty good job at expanding the world-building. ME1 was kind of generic an entirely build on promise of the future games making the retarded "ancient evil" plot stick to landing. that's why I like ME2 for what it is. the main plot was deemed to end up in a retarded way.
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>>722151584
>>other than that, ME2 did a pretty good job at expanding the world-building
Outside of one or two sidequests like Tali's whole thing with her dad, I fail to see how ME2 does any worldbuilding at all.
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>>722151584
Clips are easily excused as a result of corporate schemes.
It's unlikely that eezo based firearms aren't exceedingly regulated or made proprietary up the wazoo.
The Geth only provided a reason.
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>>722146179
This guy gets it. DA2 and ME3 in one fell swoop was basically the end of Bioware. I fucking hate them. If they kept Dragon Age like it was meant to be, a CRPG they could possibly be where Larian is today, but no, we can't have that.
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>>722151365
>ME1 gets carried by the story
>Giant invulnerable space death squid looks for thing it doesn't know exists, with the help of someone it doesn't even need, to do the thing it can already do, but doesn't even need doing
ME1's story is maybe as retarded as ME3's. Definitely not the best story in the trilogy.
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>>722151916
>>ME1's story is maybe as retarded as ME3's
No.
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>>722151784
I was very upset at DA2, but I just played the demo, hated it and didn't waste more of my time with it, back then. After all, DA was just 1 game back then, hardly a franchise, no need to be upset about it, but ME2 did build my investment into ME, so that ME3 got me more upset. Then, instead of going back into more Origins like DA, or an entirely new IP altogether, they tripled down with Inquisition, which was terrible, then came Andromeda, and if there was any investment in Bioware left, then came Anthem and just literally wiped out everything. Veilguard was gonna crash regardless. DA was a dead franchise, 5 years before Veilguard even hit the self.
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>>722151365
TRVKE
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>>722152018
It may lack retarded gook space ninja, that gets off cumming on potted plants, but that's the bare minimum it needs to not do.
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>>722151916
>Giant invulnerable space death squid looks for thing it doesn't know exists
It has no other choice at that point, and it learned about it from indoctrinated servants using the beacons. They can't lie to their masters.

>with the help of someone it doesn't even need
Only the beacons contain the infomation it needs, and only organics can use them. So yes, it does need Saren.

>to do the thing it can already do
Reapers aren't invulnerable and this is shown multiple times. It couldn't have survived a protracted battle against the whole citadel fleet without Saren locking out the alliance fleet and closing the citadel arms.

>but doesn't even need doing
This is the only point you have. The Reapers would have to make the journey manually, but 3 years is not a great deal of time to an immortal machine.
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>>722152059
>ME2 did build my investment into ME, so that ME3 got me more upset.
Same. A friend introduced me to ME1 back when ME2 was about to release and I was honestly hooked on it, massively invested. Then when ME3 released I had it pre-ordered, but a copy came available online early, so I pirated it instead. It made it better and worse because I completed it in one night and then when I got to the ending I nearly cried at how bad it was, and this was like 4AM or something. Never had that feeling about any other game.
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>>722142828
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>>722152121
ME3 is filled to the brim with stupid moments. It has its good moments too, but more often than not you're left wondering who the fuck wrote this drivel. I didn't have that with ME1, which might not have a perfect story (nothing does) but it's a fuckton better than ME3's constant retardation. Summing up its plot in the most retarded way possible doesn't change that.

>WE FIGHT OR WE DIE
>dumb cyber ninja who does epic backflips
>cerberus having unlimited soldiers and resources somehow
>cerberus somehow knows everything and always shows up where you are
>cerberus is lead by a guy who keeps trying to convince you he can control the reapers with no proof or plans what he'd do with the reapers
>intelligent squid ship gods losing all their brains so we can havesome bad dumb boss fights
>the idea we can fight off the reapers at all when we've already established multiple times we can't
>shepard trying to convince alien races to save earth when they're already busy defending their own planets and species
>udina betraying the council with no foreshadowing or build-up or plan
>UHHH SHEPARD WE FOUND THESE BLUEPRINTS ON MARS AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT DOES BUT LET'S BUILD IT AND HOPE IT STOPS THE REAPERS
>everything involving the star child and the endings

I can go on and on, but I won't. ME3's plot is built on nonsense logic and sand.
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>>722143323
I boycotted this game back in the day. All the reveals about the game before and after release felt like such a betrayal to long time fans. I later borrowed it from a friend and finished it. It was a decent game, but I remember thinking "Square-Enix better deliver with Versus XIII or else Final Fantasy is dead".
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>>722152749
the reveals were the best part. I liked the aesthetics and the setting. it's what we got that was a joke.
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>>722151916
ME1 works as a self-contained game. It only becomes retarded if you consider 3 canon.
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>>722146954
Sex with Rivet.
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>>722152257
>>It has no other choice at that point, and it learned about it from indoctrinated servants using the beacons. They can't lie to their masters.
But it never needed the Conduit. Even if it did have access to any person that can have clearance to come into contact with a beacon, it doesn't need the Conduit to do anything.

>>Only the beacons contain the infomation it needs, and only organics can use them. So yes, it does need Saren.
But it doesn't need the Conduit.

>Reapers aren't invulnerable and this is shown multiple times. It couldn't have survived a protracted battle against the whole citadel fleet without Saren locking out the alliance fleet and closing the citadel arms.
Except it showed Sovereign cutting through all the fleets like a knife through butter. It didn't need Saren. In fact, it could drop 10k Geth on the Citadel, and it would be over.

>>This is the only point you have. The Reapers would have to make the journey manually, but 3 years is not a great deal of time to an immortal machine.
No, you've not established any of the other points.
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>>722152321
>Miranda Approves
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>>722152408
>I didn't have that with ME1
I did. I think ME1 was stupid. The premise of the game is an instant game over, if Sovereign just bothered doing what it was programmed to do, instead of dicking around aimlessly for, IIRC, one thousand years, or so. Absolutely retarded.
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>>722142828
It was this.
I have heard all the arguments. You're wrong.
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>>722143323
FPBP-SAMA...!!!!
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>>722143476
1>3>2>dogshit>Andromeda
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>>722152884
No, it's retarded even if you consider ME1 alone. Never mind the fact that you are just playing a shittier KotoR.
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>>722153693
>3 over 2
Well played, xister. I shall boost the 'cord.
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>>722153748
2 is capeshit
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>>722153539
It does need the conduit. It needed to interface directly with the citadel to open the way for the rest of the reapers, and it couldn't have done that while the citadel fleet had a clear shot at it. Thus it needed Saren to close the arms, and for that, Saren needed the conduit's back door onto the citadel.

The alliance fleet had a clear shot at Sovreign once the arms were open again, so obviously they'd already defeated most of the geth fleet. If Sovreign had access to more ships, he would have brought them with him when he attacked the citadel.
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>>722153789
3 is shit shit of the shit variety. 2 at least played like Gears of War.
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>>722153393
Why does she have some boogers on her face?
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>>722153871
3 played exactly like 2 and had good multiplayer
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>>722153916
3 didn't have multiplayer. But it did have an evil twin straight out of a soap opera.
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>>722153793
>>It does need the conduit. It needed to interface directly with the citadel to open the way for the rest of the reapers, and it couldn't have done that while the citadel fleet had a clear shot at it. Thus it needed Saren to close the arms, and for that, Saren needed the conduit's back door onto the citadel.
It doesn't need Saren, it doesn't need the Conduit.
Drop 10k Geth, and it's game over.

>The alliance fleet had a clear shot at Sovreign once the arms were open again, so obviously they'd already defeated most of the geth fleet. If Sovreign had access to more ships, he would have brought them with him when he attacked the citadel.
Sovereign doesn't need other ships. The only reason he was taken down, was because, as the game implicitly states, when you taken down Metal Cooler, his bond with Sovereign makes his shields go down. Arguably, taking Saren there to begin with, was the worst idea Sovereign ever had.
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>>722143481
>the shuttle to nowhere
Shepard takes the entire crew to some mission we never get to play, even though we play every mission until that point in the game and he always takes two squadmates. This is the best game in the trilogy for many people btw.
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>>722153996
Found the secondary
https://masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Mass_Effect_3_Multiplayer
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>>722142828
Why are you assuming that my favorite series is one that has been irreversible destroyed?
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>>722154074
>malicious link
It had no multiplayer.
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>>722142828
Halo 5
Kingdom hearts 3
Persona 5 royal
Final fantasy 14 dawntrail
Mirrors edge catalyst
Dragon age veilguard
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>>722154121
Are you retarded
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>>722143960
Yeah he would burn up completely before even hitting the ground, it would've been more acceptable if he was just adrift in space.
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>>722154146
Dragon Age 2*
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>>722154156
It had no multiplayer. Cope.
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>>722154258
I like dragon age 2 more than inquisition and veilguard is by far the worst. Dragon age 2 at least managed to keep the same tone and not add troons into the series.
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>>722142828
The game that killed ND as a studio for me.
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>>722154041
Sovreign could not have taken on the entire fleet by himself, they would have overwhelmed his shields pretty quickly, Metal Sonic or no. Even the VI on Ilos says that Sovreign is playing it cautiously because he can't take on everybody at once. He would have been even more vulnerable when interfacing with the citadel, assuming he even got that far with every ship on him at once.
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>>722154121
i don't understand your joke
me3 had a fun multiplayer mode before it launched iirc and there were threads on /v/ about it
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>>722148163
>I liked ME2 but it really sealed the fate of the series when it came down to dumbing down the combat and RPG elements of itemization.
ME1 is a classical bioware RPG in form, lore and story structure. It's basically Kotor 3. In fact it's very, very reminiscent of Kotor, except in real time. Which itself goes all the way back to Baldur's Gate, including NWN, DA:O or even Jade's Empire.

ME2 is when Bioware as a whole started to forget their own RPG roots and started wanting to go full pew-pew hollywood shooter. Lore and exploration became far less important, the story became far more character driven. All in all it does somewhat work but it's clearly straining. ME2 isn't a terrible game, but it's not a terrible game despite Bioware's new direction, not because of it.

ME3 is when they went full retardo mode. ME3 is what would inevitably lead to Inquisition and Veilguard.
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>>722153693
1=2>>Andromeda>3>Dogshit
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>>722154362
Did you max out the chest slider there
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>>722142828
It has never recovered
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>>722154361
But it didn't have one
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>>722152408
>>cerberus having unlimited soldiers and resources somehow
Cerberus has more than enough resources and cloning experience to make them.
Comes with the territory.
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>>722154326
>>Sovreign could not have taken on the entire fleet by himself
Except he did.

>they would have overwhelmed his shields pretty quickly, Metal Sonic or no
Joker tells you the entire time that Sovereign is not taking any damage to his shields, regardless of everything they threw at him.

Nigger, you didn't play the fucking game.

>Even the VI on Ilos says that Sovreign is playing it cautiously because he can't take on everybody at once
It is likely that in the event Sovereign tried to solo the entire Milky Way, he could lose, sure.

>He would have been even more vulnerable when interfacing with the citadel, assuming he even got that far with every ship on him at once.
He doesn't need to interface with the Citadel, he can bot drop 10k Geth, and they will do it for him.
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>>722154364
Acceptable opinion. I would not argue against it.
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>>722154258
DA2 was actually enjoyable but it was just rushed and was a bad sequel to Origins
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>>722153584
Miranda poster, dat you?!
That's an excellent webm. Truly, her suit looks best when it's photorealistic like that.
Really makes gives it proper substance and materials feel.
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>>722154575
>>DA2 was actually enjoyable
I have never played an RPG that handled worse than DA2.
Never.
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>>722154496
>Except he did.
He did not. He rushed past a few cruisers and into the citadel itself, a manuver that only worked because Saren was there to close the arms behind him.

>Joker tells you the entire time that Sovereign is not taking any damage to his shields, regardless of everything they threw at him.
Because most of the fleets are tied up fighting the Geth. If he tried to 1 v whatever all of them (including the Alliance fleets who would not have been locked out in your scenerio, because no Saren using the Conduit) he would have lost.

>He doesn't need to interface with the Citadel, he can bot drop 10k Geth, and they will do it for him.
There is nothing in the game to suggest the Geth could have done it instead. If they could have, why turn up to the battle at all?
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>>722154146
>/v/ never bitches about concord or no man's sky or undertale or the fact that ps5 has no games
>Bitches about Kingdom Hearts 3 every day.
This is how genuine people behave? You shills expect me to believe that you like shit like Concord more than shit like KH3 or Fallout 3 or fucking the Legend of Zelda?
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You know how ME2 would have been more infuriating? If Shepard stayed dead, and you had to play as Kaiden/Ashley as the male or female choices.
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>>722154313
True but
>hamburger helper
>the start of bisexual cancer
>retarded ending
>DLC real ewnding
>4 dungeon maps
>barren maps
>even worse graphics
>Felicia Day DLC
>BUTTON-AWESOME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrfbzecJ0iQ
>>722154575
Originally meant to be DLC called Dragon Age Exodus but then EA came out with
>We want the Call of Duty audience
Development time was less trhan 2 years, rushed mess. They were fuming at Witcher 2 as well
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The only reason why Reapers allow combined galactic army to kill their vessels is purely due to fair play on their part.
Shepard came the furthest, so they are descaling operations to assess and gauge him metaphysically.
De-facto all Reapers are either non-corporeal or eldritch, and can exterminate anyone easily.
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>>722154649
>>He did not. He rushed past a few cruisers and into the citadel itself,
Yeah, because none of the ships mattered to him. They're not worth his time. Because they are no threat.

>Because most of the fleets are tied up fighting the Geth. If he tried to 1 v whatever all of them (including the Alliance fleets who would not have been locked out in your scenerio, because no Saren using the Conduit) he would have lost.
This is fanfiction at this point. At no point is Sovereign shown to be at any danger from any ship, fleet, or God himself. He is indestructible and unbeatable.

>>There is nothing in the game to suggest the Geth could have done it instead.
What would stop the 10k Geth that one Saren alone can do?

>>If they could have, why turn up to the battle at all?
What do you mean why would they show up to a battle to do the thing they can do? Why wouldn't you show up to a battle to do the thing you can do? Do you think in the middle ages, if there was a fight that could be won by your archers, the general said "let's leave the archers out"? Are you retarded?
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>>722154361
He's retarded, you see.
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>>722154803
That could have been good but you have no fucking purpose in life except to bitch.
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https://www.pcgamer.com/games/dragon-age/theyre-very-determined-suddenly-to-see-your-game-fail-former-dragon-age-writer-calls-out-anti-fans-who-bet-on-games-failing-before-launch/
Where are my anti-fan chads at?
VINDICATED
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>>722154898
I actually like ME2 and 3, even the ending.
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>>722142828
Return to Monkey Island

Special mentions though:
Diablo 2
Command and Conquer 4
Ultima 8 or 9
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>>722154986
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>722142828
I loved ME1 and I played 3 hours of ME2 before I stopped playing it, I didnt think the game was trash but I wasnt feeling an RPG at that time, my question is, is ME3 ending so trash, it makes the entire trilogy worthless and a waste of time? I'm kinda curious, the entire internet thinks its garbage and no one really defends the ending.
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Honest changes I would make to ME2:
1. Instead of dying Shepard is rescued and healed in critical condition by rogue Geth. Legion is your first companion.
2. Same weapon/powers system from 1 no “this pistol has no thermal clip” bs.
3. No allying with Cerberus they are still comically evil terrorists.
4. Normandy crew returns mostly intact like 2 and is never fully destroyed.
5. Terminus Systems all mostly have original alien designs i.e. Vorcha, Drell, the cut Raloi and other species. Seeing a Turian or Asari is RARE. Theres Krogan mercs but not too many.
6. Virmire Survivor, Garrus, nerdy Liara, Tali, Thane, Mordin, Grunt and Legion are squadmates. Cut out the boring humans and Cerberus aligned ones.
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>>722153643
>I think ME1 was stupid
You are entitled to your wrong opinion.
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>>722142828
dragon age 2
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>>722154445
The demaster didn't have a multiplayer, that is correct. ME3 did though.
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>>722153996
>3 didn't have multiplayer
are you retarded? it was compulsory to play mp to raise galactic readiness above 50% to get the shepard lives ending
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>>722155040
>Cerberus
>comically evil
nice bait
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>>722154849
>Yeah, because none of the ships mattered to him. They're not worth his time. Because they are no threat.
Obviously they are, which is why he spent so much time hiding, assessing the situation and recruiting the Geth.

>This is fanfiction at this point. At no point is Sovereign shown to be at any danger from any ship, fleet, or God himself. He is indestructible and unbeatable.
Obviously not, which is why he spent so much time hiding, assessing the situation and recruiting the Geth.

>What would stop the 10k Geth that one Saren alone can do?
Neither Saren nor the Geth have the ability to directly interface with the Citadel as Sovreign does. We're not talking about tapping a few buttons on the master control unit like Saren. We're talking about when Sovreign latches onto the citadel tower.

>What do you mean why would they show up to a battle to do the thing they can do? Why wouldn't you show up to a battle to do the thing you can do? Do you think in the middle ages, if there was a fight that could be won by your archers, the general said "let's leave the archers out"? Are you retarded?
He's playing it safe. The game says this. If he could have completed his mission as the vanguard without needing to actively put himself out there, why wouldn't he? He's a machine and that is the most logical option.
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>>722155112
not just MP, there was a shitty app as well where you would do shitty missions in the background on a timer. It was reduced massively though in one of the patches so MP and the app wasn't needed
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>>722155056
So far, ME1 is a game that should have been game over, before even the opening credits.
Nobody as of yet has managed to prove otherwise. It only happens because Sovereign chose to fuck around for 1k years, looking for something nobody knew existed, so that someone could use it, to reach the Citadel in a superfluous way, so that Sovereign would attack it regardless, that was maybe an hours worth of work to succeed, if he just wasn't retarded.
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>>722145569
>/v/ never bitches about concord
>/v/ never bitches about avowed
>/v/ never stops bitching about Fallout 3 or Zelda, no matter what thread
Seems authentic.
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>>722143323
even if the game sucks, you're a fucking idiot
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>>722155194
Funny, since FO3 is a pretty nice game. Christian heroic themes were nice too.
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>>722145569
Should have NEVER gone 3D
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>>722155184
Not only he's retarded, he started the series with he remaster
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>>722155171
>>Obviously they are, which is why he spent so much time hiding, assessing the situation and recruiting the Geth.
Then maybe Bioware should have bothered showing that, by having him shoot something, instead of steam rolling everything that was dumb enough to be standing in front of him. Never shown in the game.

>Obviously not, which is why he spent so much time hiding, assessing the situation and recruiting the Geth.
Never shown in the game that he assessed any situation, when he casually steam rolled several fleets that were guarding the Citadel.

>Neither Saren nor the Geth have the ability to directly interface with the Citadel as Sovreign does. We're not talking about tapping a few buttons on the master control unit like Saren. We're talking about when Sovreign latches onto the citadel tower.
Sovereign doesn't need to latch onto the Citadel. It was a job that the keepers did. The are Keepers never shown to latch onto the Citadel. Obviously it is a job that a few button pushes can do.

>He's playing it safe. The game says this. If he could have completed his mission as the vanguard without needing to actively put himself out there, why wouldn't he? He's a machine and that is the most logical option.
He has no reason to play is safe, he is an indestructible machine of death and can likely solo 90% of the Milky Way. Going through a dreadnaught doesn't even make his shields flicker.
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>>722155184
Holy shit Alliance space is massive, and they've only been around for 30 years. How the fuck are humans complaining so much about the council?
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>>722155407
It's massive because it's the shit hole area of the galaxy that no one wants, excluding the terminus systems. Plus it was expansionist on a massive scale because they kept colonising areas before bumping into any species as the Sol relay was hidden so they had first dibs.
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>>722142828
>finally played ME for the first time ever.
>download ME LE collection
>finished 1 and i absolutely loved it and finished all sode quests
>spend hours modding 2 to get the best experience because i have seen many say it was the best in the series
>be greeted by the most abysmal UI i have ever seen, a nig and a stoic woman as my companions, gameplay is abysmal compared to 1,...
I don't know if i should keep going i feel depressed and im only 1 hour into the game
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>>722142828
You posted 2 instead of 3, probably to beg for attention.
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>>722155570
The capeshit companions are all gone by 3 and the squad is less shit, they keep the best ones
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>>722155570
the best companions are yet to come
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>>722155392
>Sovereign doesn't need to latch onto the Citadel
Except that's exactly what he does? The Keepers were specifically engineered to interface with the citadel, probably over a long period of time. There is nothing to suggest the Geth can do the same thing.
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>>722155407
They complain precisely because they're expansionist. It's a pressure tactic and narrative drive for internal politics.
Also Batarians are quite literally in Systems Alliance space, so there's an actual reason to push.
>>722155485
It's a perfectly fine area of space.
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>>722155760
>It's a perfectly fine area of space.
>t.
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>>722154675
What are you retarded? This is a thread about sequels that ruin good franchises, not dogshit that was never going to launch an IP.
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>>722155757
>Except that's exactly what he does? The Keepers were specifically engineered to interface with the citadel, probably over a long period of time. There is nothing to suggest the Geth can do the same thing.
The Keepers do whatever the fuck they want, and are never shown to latch onto the citadel.
If Sovereign can latch onto the Citadel to open the Relay, why can't the Starkid? He's there the entire time.
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>>722155826
Do you have any idea how many celestial objects are there in SA space?
That tiny map slice isn't even properly explored, at all.
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>>722155862
>The Keepers do whatever the fuck they want
Because Prothean engineers broke the Reapers hold on them.

>and are never shown to latch onto the citadel.
Because they're already on the citadel, using the consoles they're always next to.

>If Sovereign can latch onto the Citadel to open the Relay, why can't the Starkid? He's there the entire time.
Oh, we're bringing things outside of ME1 into it now? Because if so, your Reapers are indestructible point is gone.
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>>722155760
Isn't it being a shithole part of the reason why the council doesn't care about Eden Prime being attacked, because they were advised NOT to keep going into that area because it is literally a shithole full of pirates, geth and shitarians.
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>>722146397
I've never played 4 but I watched a long review and can see why people hate the story.

But I actually think the series shit the bed with 2, the story is told really badly because of the rushed development. The game is not fun to play and is just shit compared to CE. I would have preferred some more levels for CE over this chore of a game.
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>>722156004
No. Eden Prime is a top class garden world.
The Council doesn't care because the Council pursues its own interests. They want SA integrated or gone. Not helping Eden Prime is beneficial because it puts stress on SA, which can presumably be spun into all sorts of nice deals later on.
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>>722155996
>>Because Prothean engineers broke the Reapers hold on them.
No, I mean they never have to latch on to the Citadel to do whatever the fuck they want.

>>Because they're already on the citadel, using the consoles they're always next to
So what's the issue?

>>Oh, we're bringing things outside of ME1 into it now? Because if so, your Reapers are indestructible point is gone.
Post ME1 technology that allows the Milky Way to fight the Reapers, does not factor in, in ME1, where the technology doesn't exist.
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>>722156217
Anon I don't know how you're misunderstanding this so badly. The Keepers are already physically interfacing the citadel. Sovreign isn't, which is why he latches onto the tower during the battle of the citadel. This isn't complicated.

>Post ME1 technology that allows the Milky Way to fight the Reapers, does not factor in, in ME1, where the technology doesn't exist.
Neither does the Starkid but you still tried to use that as an argument.
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>>722156310
>>Anon I don't know how you're misunderstanding this so badly. The Keepers are already physically interfacing the citadel. Sovreign isn't, which is why he latches onto the tower during the battle of the citadel. This isn't complicated.
None of this makes any sense. If the Keepers can interface with the Citadel, because they are pressing buttons, who would stop 10k Geth from pushing the same buttons?

>Neither does the Starkid but you still tried to use that as an argument.
Yes, he is. He has always been there.
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>>722156403
>None of this makes any sense. If the Keepers can interface with the Citadel, because they are pressing buttons, who would stop 10k Geth from pushing the same buttons?
I already answered this question anon. The keepers were engineered specifically to work the citadel. The geth aren't, and unless you can point to an ingame dialogue or codex that says the geth can interface in the same way, there is no reason to assume the geth can activate the relay.

>Yes, he is. He has always been there.
Not when ME1 was written. And isn't that what this whole argument is about?
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>>722156575
>I already answered this question anon. The keepers were engineered specifically to work the citadel. The geth aren't, and unless you can point to an ingame dialogue or codex that says the geth can interface in the same way, there is no reason to assume the geth can activate the relay.
There is no lore that says other people can't interface with the Citadel. Even then, I am sure Sovereign could make a Geth that can interface with the Citadel. If Sovereign can't make a Geth that can interface with the Citadel, how did the Reapers make anything that can interface with the Citadel? He spent 1k years fucking around looking for something nobody knew existed. He could have developed 1 Geth that can interface with the Citadel in that time, if he can interface with the Citadel.

>Not when ME1 was written.
Doesn't change the fact that he is there.

>And isn't that what this whole argument is about?
That ME1 is retarded? Yes, it is. That further entries can make it more retarded, is not my problem.
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>>722156850
The Citadel is locked out metaphysically.
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>>722156916
>>The Citadel is locked out metaphysically.
What the fuck does that even mean, and where is it stated?
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>You know what 3D fighting games really need? Fucking walls.
Oh, like regular walls?
>Fuck you. Bouncy ass fucking walls that react like a pinball bumper every time you touch them. Fuck you, regular walls-wanting faggot.
Can I at least see what I'm doing?
>Eat shit, cocksucker. We're making dynamic camera angles so your ass won't know which direction to fucking block.
Nobody wants this.
>Fuck you up the ass.
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>>722156998
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc_kFFmDZME
That's what this reminded me of.
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>>722156850
There's really no way to give a good answer to that anon. All we know is that the Reapers likely turned one the races they harvested into the Keepers and we can assume this process took while. Also it's worth remembering that Reapers and Keepers are both a combination of organic and synthetic. Geth are purely synthetic. Maybe Sovreign couldn't engineer them. Maybe the technology wasn't around, or it was a different Reaper entirely who is in charge of that stuff. We know they have roles among themselves. All we can do is guess.
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>>722143323
>not ff11
It was over before even the idea of this game existed.
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>>722156967
It is implied, lorefag, by the entirety of the series.
Reapers cannot proceed normally either because they must not, or because they cannot, by causality.
>but muh lore
This setting has FTL. All else is irrelevant.
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>>722155152
didnt they torture kids for no good reason? im pretty sure me2 makes it clear that jack would've grown up to be a powerful biotic no matter what her childhood was like
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>>722157097
>We don't know why
That is a piss poor fucking answer, that your entire defense rests on, at this point. Nobody could even be manufactured to do it, and in 1k years, you couldn't even find a way to do it, other than yourself, with all the resources for a quarter of the galaxy that is under the command of the Geth.
So what you're saying, basically, is that it is impossible to create, or recreate a Reapers, unless a specific Reaper were around, to make the specific Citadel interface adjustments to an organic. Something that 3 Protheans did. In a cave. With a box of scraps!
I'm exaggerating for the memes, but a handful of Protheans got on the Citadel, reverse engineered it, and programmed it out of the Keepers in a few years. And Sovereign couldn't. I can't really accept that as an answer. You see why I can't accept that as an answer, right?
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>>722157297
A lack of valid reasons, presumed or not does not make evil comical.
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>>722157272
>>It is implied, lorefag, by the entirety of the series.
What. The fuck. Does it MEAN, you stupid bastard! What the fuck do you metaphysically lock? What does it mean to metaphysically lock something?

>Reapers cannot proceed normally either because they must not, or because they cannot, by causality.
>>but muh lore
>This setting has FTL. All else is irrelevant.
So you're saying the ME universe is fucking retarded and stupid, and people that put stock in ME1's plot are fucking idiots.
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>>722157481
It means determinism.
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>>722157297
Jack had the highest potential they had seen. But Cerberus experimented on kids to make Jack stronger than her potential would normally allow, and to hone her in her biotic prowess. Something that even Jump Zero would be unlikely to achieve to the extent that Cerberus pushed her to. She would have been strong, but not "goes through 3 Atlas mechs" strong.
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>>722157536
>>It means determinism.
Determinism locks people out of the Citadel interface?
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>>722157632
And since they've got the research, they hypothetically can mass produce Jacks without similar torture.
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>>722157715
It depends. They kinda do, in ME3. Not so sure about the lack of torture, though. Even then, Jack on her own was off the charts, by the end of the program she was thrown into, she was likely 3x off her own chart. You could make exceptionally strong human biotics. You'd be unlikely to make another Jack.
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>>722157715
Pretty sure that's what the phantom program in 3 is, and it definitely wasn't a painless process
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>>722157687
Indeed. The Citadel is ultimately irrelevant, as is their tactic of optimal culling. The events it's connected to are not. By locking out the Citadel in a specific manner Sovereign has to personally commit its entire being to battle, otherwise no amount of button pushing shall matter.
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>>722142828
project Nortubel
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>>722157939
Bro, this is a different franchise you're describing.
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>>722157925
It's not painless because Cerberus troops are meant to have some mental immunity to indoctrination through pain, and partially because indoctrination sets in.
But it's possible to make it painless, and Cerberus would've made it so were it peace time. They simply can't afford it by that pointt.
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>>722142828
Posted it again award.
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>>722157989
The Reapers have directly stated to you that they are beyond your comprehension. Your assessment of them is according.
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>>722157939
I read this post in Mordin's voice
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>>722158176
I can understand nonsense, that's not the issue.
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>>722142828
>AC III
>Halo 4
>GOW Judgement
>Splinter Cell Conviction
>ME3
>XyZ, Pendulum and Link Summons.
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>>722143476
1>3>2 but 3 and 2 are 8 and 7 out of 10. None of them are bad games
stahp it
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>>722143392
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aua4MJO_pZo
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>>722158482
...Setting course to Caleston...
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what is the worst level on insanity and why is it the derelict reaper
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>>722158593
collector ship is insanity on every difficulty. It's awful
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>>722158794
THIS HURTS YOU
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>>722158794
Only the first combat encounter. That part is awful and your companions always die in seconds. The rest of it is okay though, even the Praetorian.
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>>722158593
iff I'm usually fine because I do half the side missions
Horizon kills me because of how fucking slow and boxy it is. The first half of ME2 is a slog to get through.
When the side missions are more interesting than main missions you got design problems
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Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep
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>>722143323
This has unironically become one of my favorite FF games with time. It turned me into a saga fag
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>>722158865
I always do Kasumi's loyalty mission first thing for the SMG and Mordin's recruitment mission right after to unlock upgrades asap. The latter is horrible even with the Locust. I cannot imagine playing insanity when the game first came out and all you had was that wanky starting SMG.
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>>722158794
as an Adept, this is the only arena that really gave me trouble. I had to hang back on the very edge and warp-snipe the scions.
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>>722159002
first me2 playthrough on january 25th or whatever 2010 for me was a soldier run. I followed that up with a sentinel run and what I found is that the carnifex gets you through, just slowly.
the game locks your dps behind unlockable research tokens so your class/build doesn't really matter, just do side quests
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>>722158794
For me it's the lazy pile of husks you gotta run through at the end
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>>722154051
>could have tied it to "ah shepard we need to drydock the normandy for a few days for some whatever tech upgrades to make it compatible with the reaper iff, you'll need to make do with this rental cuckship for the time being" plot point
>nope just say they are going on some mission to somewhere and 13 people are being shoved into a small shuttle
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Is it possible to chill bigger enemies like brutes or atlas mechs? I can see the obvious chill effect on regular troops but not on these guys.
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>this pistol doesn't have a thermal clip
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Is ME3 MP still alive?
I'm missing my hammer Krogan and fat ass Volus.
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>>722160515
yeo
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>>722143617
>cherry picking nothing berries
You are a turbo retarded giga-nigger and people like you are exactly why so many modern stories fall apart.
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speaking of Volus, what is that lightsaber looking thing they all have on their waists
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>>722160661
>wtf is he talking about
>look it up
>they actually do have lightsaber looking things
Huh. Doesn't seem to be any lore for it either.
Maybe like a stun baton or something?
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>>722160661
emergency induction port and/or dildo
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>>722160661
My first guess after seeing it is a space cattle prod.
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>>722143617
>but I guess taking 2 years to rebuild a person in a universe with aliens, FTL space traverse and space magic crosses the line.
Yes
>aliens
You're equating bringing someone who was ejected into the vacuum of space then burned during orbital entry back to life with the same consciousness, essentially remvoing the concept of death given enoigh cash, as no more fanciful than another species existing in the galaxy?
>FTL space traverse and space magic
Both of which rely on the titular premise of the setting, which is restricted to those uses which its effects could reasonably extend to. Resurrection not being one of them
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>>722150980
>Half the classes don't have any good weapons
>Other half don't have any good abilities
>Map and mission design is fucked
>Thermal clips replacing unique system
>Cover-hugging only maybe, barely better than ME1 clumsiness
ME2 failed to either improve the ME1 system or to pivot from it, ending up as an awkward middle child you can't even love out of nostalgia.
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A minor nitpick but if we're ragging on ME2 I want to add this
>futuristic space armour got turned into BIG PLATE BIG BULKY ARMOUR in 2
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The most baffling thing about 3 to me is what they did to the journal/codex UI. It was perfect in 1 and 2. Why change it to something so shit?
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>Devil May Cry 2 is shit
>Jak 2 is shit
>Dark Souls 2 is shit
>Mass Effect 2 is shit
>Dragon Age 2 is shit
>Dragons Dogma 2 is shit

There some kinda pattern with second entries ruining or being terrible for the brand?
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>>722161473
If 3 didn't have the MP I think it would be one of my most hated games.
All my good memories and experiences came from playing the MP.
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>>722142828
Mass Effect 3
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What was your MP go to bros? For me, it was the Krogan Vanguard charging into cunts and headbutting them harder
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>>722161531
First one is made because they wanted to make it, second one is usually made because the first one did well, it's stupid how many sequels are rushed though
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>>722161735
Was either that or this absolute unit.
>immune to sync kills so you can just tank banshees and crap point blank
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>>722161531
Dark Souls 2 is goated though
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>>722161901
>One-tapping enemy soldiers with his homing spikes
>Tanking with the life drain stun melee.
>Shield ability too.
Truly a based synthetic.
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>>722158886
This. This is the one. As much as i love jerking my dick to aqua, everything about that game is a disgrace
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>>722161901
>>722161735
Good choices. I liked the Vorcha
>health regen
>launching melee attack
>good mobility
and most of all
>stupid silly voices
GAAHHHHH YOU DIE NOW
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>>722154439
Came here to post this
Black Flag was nice but overrated
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>>722162016
I had mine painted up like a ME1 Geth Prime and wandered around basically being a tank for the group. Cerberus Phantom? Nope I'm gonna stun lock that bitch.
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>>722162248
you tell janny we not shitpost anywhere today
we know janny tricks, we leave
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>>722162472
It's so funny stunlocking those units.
>Whip-no-Jutsu-!
>"Nah."
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>>722144751
I was on /v/ helping people bot votes for the Worst Company in America award in 2012, crazy how time flies by.
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sex with Tavos
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>hate a lot of me2
>but my favorite characters in the entire series came from it (mordin, legion)
Complicated game for me to talk about.
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I knew ME was going to shit when I learned you lost most of your crew from the first game. I had this naive expectation that you were building your crew in the first game that would continue from game to game, and that your character and equipment would continue likewise.
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>>722158593
final section of priorty rannoch with the three geth primes, holy shit fuck that part
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>>722163526
That was the expectation Casey Hudson set up when promoting ME1. I fucking hate that guy, worse than Peter Molyneux when it comes to just straight up lying about the games he's directing
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>>722163721
What do you mean? I never died there.
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>>722158593
It's been well over a decade since I did insanity runs but for some reason Horizon is sticking out in my mind.
I don't know if I rushed to it and didn't have all possible upgrades yet or not but I just remember having a hell of a shit time there.
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>>722142828
Halo 4
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>>722163914
I always die there a few times
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>>722163721
I found ME3 insanity to be a joke after farming platinum difficulty multiplayer matches for currency.
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>>722142828
>be me
>last year
>pirate trilogy
>play 1
>pretty good for a 20yo game and first entry, a little bit rough and under cooked here and there but pretty good
>excited for 2 as that is apparently the best one
>moronic initial scene with Shepard reviving
>coverages
>thermal clips
>worse character building
>go to planets and the locations are all small as fuck
>no car besides 1 or 2 missions in the whole game
>no planet exploration but some souless probes
>dlc disconnected content all over game
>main story is like 6 missions long and most of them happening inside the "same" looking hive against the same ugly enemies
>that final boss
>reaper retcons all over the place
>most of the game is spent doing two 1hour long side quest that feel like a cheap cinematic scripted gears of war level with one of the side characters and ALL of them come down to daddy issues
Didn't even play 3.
I don't think I've ever played a game this old that felt so normie reddit, absolute garbage, it's a massive downgrade across all levels from the first one.
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Xenoblade 3
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>Volus has to stand on a box to see over the counter
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>volus have a dreadnaught so heavily armed that the turians were like "holy shit"
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>>722142828
why didn't they just make a new IP instead of raping the brand name
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Mass Effect got me into astronomy. Reading the codex entries on all the random worlds was so fucking fascinating for teenage me that had nothing going on except for video games.
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>>722165981
Mass Effect got me super interested in space and Sci-Fi until it completely shit the bed with ME3 making it just an action game and literally ruining the galaxy it created
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>>722165817
they use it to kill Quarian children in the Hades Gaza cluster
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>>722165453
Mass Effect 1
>"Ah, Commander Shepard"
>Zsshh
>"That is why you need my assistance."
>Zssh.
ME3
>"Oh. Commander."
ZSCCHSSSHHPH
>"I see you've come to get my services."
>ZWWSCHHCSSHSHOWPHHHH
>"That is..."
>ZZZSCHHCHHPHHHH
>"Fucken amazing, bro."
>ZSCHCHCHHHHHHHHHH
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>>722143506
Crazy how you say ME1 has jank and issues when ME2 is literally the jankiest of them all.
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>>722165931
The timeline was still fresh enough that you could conceivably have an after story post-Raccoon City/Arklay.
Hence why we got Code Veronica and eventually RE4.
That said, I'd argue the franchise wasn't raped entirely until RE5.
We don't talk about 6.
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>>722143613
Gotta love how the cover doesn't show either the retarded aspie gurrl or her midget metrosexual brother, so you won't know you'll be playing as one of those creatures until you buy it
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>>722168002
The N7 cover guy is Clancy Brown isn't it?
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It speaks volumes to me that the Extended Cut never changed the dialogue on Thessia, where the cycle has to be perpetuated by a god, not a super AI. We're told, flat out, that the reapers are *part* of the pattern, but all of galactic history is cyclical. A lot of shit repeats, not just what the AI set up. They use bullshit language like 'the same peaks and valleys repeat" but think about that shit. This means every Council era of prosperity and era of strife also happened to the Protheans, the Inusannon, and everyone the fuck else going back to the beginning. How the dick is that an AIs doing? It's a god. It's some beings of light on Klencory shit. It's some 2001: A Space Odyssey shit. They went full Battlestar Galatica and no one except me seems to notice because it lasts 20 seconds. It is kind of touched on again in the original ending, but got massively recontextualized in the Extended Cut to the point nothing that gets exposition dumped on Thessia makes sense anymore. The ending starts at Thessia. The retardation of the ending begins when you find the beacon on Thessia. This completely shits up every theory, be it Indoctrination Theory to the official canon ending because it adds shit loads of space magic and space gods, yet every nigga just turns off their brain and forgets this scene exists. I fucking hate Battlestar Galactica's ending. Everyone fucking did. Why wouldn't you stick to your Babylon 5 roots and imply there is a space god only to address it so fucking little you could retcon it to being an AI and hardly anyone would notice?
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>>722146406
Anon I abused my PC's clock to skip the grind and time gating. I got the full story experience of that game and it was not a good game.
It had a strong opening and the Orlais section was good (some jank) but the ending ruins the entire experience and the game is not fun if you aren't skipping grind.
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Why wasn't ME2 about searching through Protean ruins while having to politick in an actually developed Terminus? It was such an obvious direction to take for the second game, and it would still give you all the creative leeway needed for new characters, and even Cerberus and Collectors if you want them.
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>>722168346
Even the Leviathans went through that period of prosperity into strife, even if it was mostly by proxy through their slave races
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>>722164648
3 is pretty fun if you play vanguard. The story goes even more retarded though, ME2 was a mistake.
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>>722169068
for me it's cyro ammo infiltrator with the indra sniper
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Halo 4
Specifically retconning forerunners into just another alien badguy, completely undermining the narrative themes of the bungie halos.
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>>722169276
There was nothing to destroy in Gaylo, the series was always ass.
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>>722168920
ME1 set up so much there's like a dozen different ways you could have gone with its story base, the fact they managed to scorch it ALL was amazing
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>>722168920
>Why wasn't ME2 about searching through Protean ruins
Because that's boring.
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Imagine how much conflict you'd ignite for a plot with the simple setup of:
>given the threat of the reapers, we need to start opening mass relays
How would the species of the galaxy react to this? Would the races that lived through the rachni wars object? How would the long and short-lived Asari and Salarians differ on their perspectives? Who gets to claim the new territory out there? Which gateways where are opened? If one gateway is opened by consensus what happens if another race starts opening them on their own? Are we about to trigger another arms race/colony rush?

All of that potential without even starting to bring up the Collectors, Protheans or Reaper-aligned factions
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>>722171031
Racing various intelligence agencies and dealing with local powers represented by new characters, with or against mysterious Cerberus organization, all ultimately to forge an unlikely alliance that discovers the mysteries of the Crucible and stops the ancient menace of the Collectors, is more boring than "human colonies are under attack, Shepard, for some reason you're the only one who can protect them!"?

Imagine how good the reveal of the Collectors as Protheans could be if you previously went through several ruins finding the recordings of relatable Prothean characters that also struggled to find a way to stop the Reapers, only to find out that they failed completely and got enslaved.
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>>722142828
dark souls 3
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>>722172398
>Racing various intelligence agencies and dealing with local powers represented by new characters, with or against mysterious Cerberus organization, all ultimately to forge an unlikely alliance that discovers the mysteries of the Crucible
What the fuck are you on about? Where did this exist in the universe?
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>>722172609
It didn't, hence me complaining. The biggest tragedy of ME2, in my opinion, is that it's so fucking easy for it to be a real part of the trilogy. There are clearly a lot of elements in it that can work and work well, but for some reason they are wasted on an absolute drivel of a plot. Tell me Collectors weren't clearly a leftover of a previous, much more focused on Protheans story.
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>>722142828
I mean the first one that came to mind was unironically ME2, so I'll go with my second most hated.
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>>722174096
>>It didn't, hence me complaining.
Right, so you're headcanoning things into canon, because you just want it to be that way.
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>>722142828
>name the first one that comes to mind
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>>722174096
Replace Jacob with Kai Leng, actually build up Cerberus as being a bunch of retards instead of failing at trying to make TIM "le mysterious and morally grey" and make it so Shepard finds the blueprints to the Crucible equivalent in the Collector Base. That would automatically make ME2 an important part of the narrative instead of 80% superfluous.
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>>722174796
Anon you may be autistic because its pretty clear thats what he was proposing
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>>722175920
>That would automatically make ME2 an important part of the narrative instead of 80% superfluous.
You have no idea what you're talking about, do you? You didn't even play the games.
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>>722176003
>>Anon you may be autistic because its pretty clear thats what he was proposing
That's not how you make a franchise.
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>>722176024
I'll accept the concession
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>>722176390
You can accept it when you prove you played ME2.
So far, you skipped the part where Tali tells you about the geth units disasembling and sending back to the flotilla, Cerberus experimentation facilities on civilians, the Geth heretics, Cerberus being this far reaching organization in general, King Wrex, or king Wreave, Maelons data, Krogan adapting to the genophage, and a bunch of other stuff that are INTEGRAL to ME3.
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>>722176615
>King Wrex
But he died on Virmire, how the fuck does that work?
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>722176615 (You)
>so far, you skipped the side content that's either minimal, could've still existed as is in a better game without an utterly useless main quest that forgets what came before and sets up nothing for what comes after and which belongs to the 20% of the "80% superfluous" part of the OG post
I'll keept accepting the concession
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>>722142828
This was still a good game. Just too far removed from the first. It seemed they definitely wanted a reboot of the franchise with 2.
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>>722143323
Was it really that bad? I have all the mainline FF games except for this and 15.
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>>722142828
ME2 is more fun than ME1
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>>722142828
You posted it



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