Is the videogame industry really predominantly left-wing or is it just an illusion created by the extremely vocal lefty devs?
>>722169610Maybe they were the minority back in the day, but now I'm not so sure. Things have changed drastically in the past 15 years.
>>722169610Majority of American economy is centered in left wing microcosms , therefore funding is backed by left wing centric companies, therefore they hire lefties or people pretending to be left to keep their job
>>722169610The video game awards glorified communists on stage for almost a full show in 2019. What do you think?
>>722170187Example B
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>>722169648jeety melty
This isn't that complicated.
>>722169610I dunno OP. Why DO kids like the taste of cinnamon toest crunj
If at ever you feel it's strange that the "entire" vidya industry is all "on the same page"Remember the near entirety of technology and media production is contained to a single state in a country with states that are nearly the size of europe and is vigorously controlled by unions and a pile of poorly thought out monopoly assuring laws.These things are incredibly unpopular and require a sophisticated network of nepotism running 24/7 to assure even the illusion of ideological conformity.It took YEARS to undo the damage the internet did to media control.
>>722169610What's wrong with what he's proposing? I love video game violence as much as anyone but I do often think about how it's the default sort of conflict in most games. RPGs are at their most engaging when they offer pacifistic routes, and I don't mean in the sappy undertale sort of way, I just mean circumventing a conflict all together.
I don't know what you're even asking since I don't care about politics sorry.
>>722169610The industry these days is staunchly right corpos, but will pretend to be left if it's trendy and secures salesBut because games take 17 years to make because spec and immersion fags need to be accommodated, and all the outsourcing troubleshooting, it's to late for many to undo their "progress", so most "AAA"s will feel out of place in the time of Donny 2.0Gaming has become a dumpster fire, the sooner you get away from it, the better off you'll be. I'm only in /v/ these days to see what stupid thing happens next, and in that regard, there's plenty to keep me entertained
there used to be more normal people in media that reigned in the activists but now it’s all pinkos and glowniggers
>>722169610"The Arts" in general are infested with leftists. Games, as a mix of tech and art, has a bigger variety of people and small teams can self-select to whatever political persuasion they want. However big companies with HR and management bloat will almost certainly lean left by default.>>722170509OP is probably implying leftists default to violence (they do) rather than dispting Tim's point (which was as you described)
>>722169610Liberals own the industry while leftists are a loud minority.
>>722170391green doesn't look so happy
>>722170868>I will redefine these people to no longer be people so I don't have to deal with the contradictionExcellent strategy Mao.
>>722169610You didn't make videogames so this is what you get.
>>722169610Writers and artists are mostly left wing because most conservatives think liberal arts is faggot shit. Programmers and game designers can be left, right, center it doesn’t matter because it doesn’t reflect in their work
>>722171526This, to right wing those are not real jobs.
>>722169610Most devs are young college educated people which is a demographic that tends to skew left.>>722170868This is also true. The liberal types dominate the AAA space and are far more annoying than the leftists who are more concentrated in the indie sphere.
>>722170391Not to play womyn advocate, but this cycle isn't because of the women. It's because of simping. You only deal with this issue by stamping out simps as much as possible. Without simps backing them up, women can't do any of this. It's always the weak dorks who enable them.
Creativity is a liberal trait. Orderliness is a conservative trait. Conservatives keep the world running and liberal keep the world changing through art and innovation. Don't fall for this retarded mindset that the side you disagree with is retarded and needs to be destroyed. You are born with genetics that decide your political leanings.
>>722169610>>722170078>>722170152>>722170187>>722170280
>>722172014You're honestly fucking retarded if you think something as basic to humanity as creativity has any sort of political leaning.Especially considering the entire american media industry is "liberals" sitting on conservative works exploiting the current state of copyright law by misrepresenting themselves as the legitimate authors of said works.
American media is predominantly left-wing, yes.
>>722172178Nigger will sit here and tell you shit like Star Wars and Star Trek is conservative works of fiction
>>722172014>Creativity is a liberal trait.Creativity is God-given. It's literally divine dispensation. The capacity to create tautologically follows as granted from The Creator. You don't know what you're talking about.
>>722172286I will tell you in no uncertain terms that uncreative people currently make our media and would in a heart beat murder the people that came up with the ideas for being "too right wing".
>>722172014>liberal "creativity"
right wing doesn't make art. why do you think chuds love AI so much?
>>722172439I'm a chud and I don't use AI.
>>722172163Oh it's /pol/ bait that these self professed Marxists and Stalinists were paraded around on a stage by Geoff Keighley? or was that just reality? That's Disco Elysium's developers.
>>722172409This cheap gotcha talk belongs on Facebook. This is something a 65 y.o would post.
>>722172483wasn't that during covid where all the nominees were in a zoom call?
>>722172364No it's not.
>>722169610The developer side of the industry is mostly left wing.The player side of the industry is mostly right wing.
>>722172535Pot, meet kettle. I'm not even conservative.
>>722172628Go back to lurking. If you don't understand at least this much, then you're never going to post anything worth reading.
>>722172014>You are born with genetics that decide your political leanings.I am and have always been an incredibly creative person. I am still right wing because I grew up in Venezuela.It has nothing to do with genetics, it's all environmental. Americans are too sheltered and that's why there's unironic left wing people, if you lived in an actual left wing government you wouldn't be left wing.
>>722172579The actual audience were there, I can't remember when certain quarantine measures were in place or were in effect. But at the time it was a packed show with a pretty big audience.
>>722170868the most profitable developer in the last 5 years is leftist lol
>>722169610Videogames were considered heretical by the right, so you take a wild guess.
>>722172014>I vote left therefore I'm le heckin creative and skilled painter artist etc. :DIt's insane how many batshit crazy girls fall for this psyop.
>>722172778the disco elysium devs weren't there. they were on video call.
>>722170981Mao the leftist? Who enabled purges of landlords? the anti-rightist struggle?
>>722169610Being opposed to excessive violence in our culture is not a left or right wing thing.
>>722172656Nor am I. It's too easy of a post. Any YouTube normie slop artist could rant about this. Who cares?Liberals are obviously creative. Many modern day liberals are ignorant of their higher order apprehension which is the real source of their creative ability, but they're creative nonetheless.
>>722172383Americans are so fucking stupid they take shit like Rambo and Fortune Son some of the biggest criticisms of patriotism and American militarism and use it as propaganda tools for how cool war is and it WORKED
>>722170915I have left internet groups where only the shitters and greens stuck around and the greens would be the ones to occasionally try and rope me back in. Even if they don't realize their open door policy ruined it they recognize the core membets were why it was fun in the first place
>>722172872>international gambling company with communist flagThis would be like if one were to go on a synagogue bombing spree and then hang a Star of David flag from his house
>>722173080>Nor am IYes, we're all quite aware you're a left-wing extremist.
>>722172939?
>>722169610Direction politics is most definitely an illusion created to keep you distracted yes
>>722173120>American sentiment>Approving of the behavior of the federal governmentSee, this is why political illiterate donuts shouldn't try to play politics beyond a factional game.You accidentally make philosophically "right wing" points without realizing it.
If it were predominantly leftard they wouldn't have to work so hard to censor everything, it would just happen naturally. It's mostly centrist, the most common and logical political position that makes retards on both ends seethe endlessly.
>>722172014there's nothing creating in cutting your dick off. you will NEVER be a woman
Nerds/otaku were always apolitical or some variety of libertarian.It wasn't until normalfags co-opted the hobby did it become left or right. Now it's just leftist normalfags vs. right wing normalfags, neither of them actually care about games.
>>722173323this was hilarious though imagine praising two of the most well known communist thinkers on some game award stage
>>722173318I understand that my position here is slightly nuanced, so this would naturally pose as a cognitive challenge to the average nu-friend.
>>722173512what's hilarious about it?
>>722172439My wife is an artist and she has endured years of abuse during art school, where all the professors were openly communist and a literal half the class were literal sodomites. These institutions have been captured by the most insufferable minorities on the planet and are a good case for why they have always been forced underground historically.
>>722173406>patriotism and American militarism is left wing actually Jesus Americans are fucking stupid
>>722173441>they wouldn't have to work so hard to censor everythingthey only censor the remakes and remasters, because the originals were made by right wing chudsthe new games are all pozzed by default
>>722173629it just is, okay?
>>722173493>Now it's just leftist normalfags vs. right wing normalfags, neither of them actually care about gamesThey all have to go back.
>Leftists: Hey I have a cool idea, lets make a good game>Rightoids: Hey I saw the top 5 best selling games list, lets hire this indian studio to make OverSlop 2: Trans Right Rising, make sure they license a gay Marvel character so it can sell better.>inb4 neoliberalism is leftiwinfg!!!!!!
>>722169610How do you make games where violence isn't the major thing?Even Mario is stomping on the fuckin' turts heads or Sonic is smashing robots, making obstacles as enemies is intuitive of game design itselfIn your average dramatic cinematic story full of hyperrealism and paid actors AAA game you'll have to put some action because violence implies danger and there's barely anything to imagine in videogames that will require player imput without action like that.Only smaller games with particular interests like puzzle games or simulators like the Sims or city builders can offer an experience with no violence whatsoever
>>722173594Eh, cheap gotcha talk like that belongs on Facebook.
>>722173120>retarded mutts misinterpret jewish communist slop and this is IMPORTANT
>>722170391>dudebros and other assorted normies enter the community of their own volition and don't care about the community or hobby >OH MY HECKING SCIENCE WE HAVE TO CHANGE EVERYTHING TO APPEAL TO THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND DON'T ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT THE HOBBYSelf inflicted problem. Try not being a fucking moron next time.
>>722173745>Rightoids made Concordinteresting take
>>722173663>Patriotism is when worship feds doing stupid shitWrong again
>>722173745>>Leftists: Hey I have a cool idea, lets make a good gamemore like>leftists: hey you know what those right wing incel chuds would hate? a game where niggers steal shit from white people! this will make them so mad! hahahaha!lefty devs never make things because they like them, they make things because their "opponent" hates themand then it flops because none of the lefties actually like it
>>722173797Who cares about that random Facebook throwaway line you idiot. Is that all you're reading into here?
>>722173803There is nothing the jews want more than for you to enlist dumbass.
>>722172483>these self professed Marxists and Stalinists were paraded around on a stage by Geoff Keighley?You have to be a Marxist leninist if you want to do anything in China. Not much Geoff can do about it.Were you referring to anyone else?
>>722173829that's funny, I don't remember asking the industry to accommodate those people.do you have schizophrenia?
>>722173745>>inb4 neoliberalism is leftiwinfg!!!!!!It is.
>>722173829I didn't do it, Cain straight up advocates for it, though.
>>722173936okay, where is your racists chud game with 1 million players?
>>722173936You forgot>Microsoft bought Blabbo, so we can intentionally make is shit to get those heckin right wing gamerbros>We're so creative
>>722169610All forms of creatives have leaned to the left of their respective culture since about the Renaissance.
>>722170078It's this. Remember all that talk about "problematic" internal cultures and their creative output? The political left with the aid of the universities, journos, etc started a culture war to take it over. Sure it's now all being sold off to arabs and the chinese because the leftists and their "unfettered creativity" failed horribly but still, it all really happened.
All creative industries are fundamentally left-wing because art is inherently is inherently a left-wing endeavor.
>>722169610>is it just an illusion created by the social media grifters whose outrage-peddling I've become addicted toYes.
>>722173954Hypocrites don't say anything worth reading into.
>>722173957I agree
>>722173893Yeah it’s basically what it amounts to.
>>722174020There is no political left in the USA. Social media and social justice were used as a tool by the elites to divide Americans after the 2008 financial crisis and occupy wallstreet.
>>722170657god I want to plow my cock into ina so fucking bad
>>722172178>You're honestly fucking retarded if you think something as basic to humanity as creativity has any sort of political leaning.Right wingers aren't doing themselves any favours on that front, when 90% of them rely on AI to create stuff for them.
>>722174194>There is no political left outside of China and the DPRK.ftfy
>Open thread>"Liberals are left wing">"Left-wing corporations are pushing woke shit in muh game"Why are Americans like this?
>>722169610>Is the videogame industry really predominantly left-wingall creative fields are
>>722174337communists should've achieved something in the last 40 years if they didn't want to be bundled with liberals
>>722172014The argument falls flat when one looks at the conservative Japan and their video game industry.
>>722174262>headcanontouch grass
>>722169610why not just play a few older games and analyze them looking for things. you'll probably notice a lot.
>>722174283you forgot about someone...
>>722174059>Hypocrites don't say anything worth reading into.They do, actually. All the time. In fact that forms the basis for all cautionary tales at the heart of all morality plays. Why are you this stupid? Look - here's what I was saying >Liberals are obviously creative. Many modern day liberals are ignorant of their higher order apprehension which is the real source of their creative ability, but they're creative nonetheless.i.e. Liberals are obviously creative, but otherwise ignorant of the real higher source of said creative impulse. That was my position.
>>722173673>because the originals were made by right wing chuds
>>722174262Yes because "Right wingers" talk about the democratization of art, and the collective ownership of ideas.
How do we fix the gaming community's recent rampant chudcel problem?
Before it wasn't really, but with corporate culture and outright bullying it has been
>>722169610Despite being a flaming gay man I've never heard Timothy Cain say anything explicitly woke or partisan. He is not a "extremely vocal lefty dev".
I wish we could go back to a time when being openly lgbt-phobic and racist was the norm.I believe most people nowadays are still the same as in the past, but are stuck pretending not to be. The discordization of the internet is largely to blame. Your whole account or server can get permanently nuked for being racist or hateful, and there's pretty much nowhere else to go. So everyone pretends to be ultra tolerant towards the protected groups, and takes out their frustrations of being censored by being passive-aggressively hostile to each other.
>>722174462>Japan are just like le American conservatives!
>>722172014>Creativity is a liberal trait.why would it be? You think liberals invented the wheel?
>>722172178>You're honestly fucking retarded if you think something as basic to humanity as creativity has any sort of political leaning.Creativity is intrinsically about being sensitive and open minded, which is the opposite of being conservative
>>722172178Its literally the definition of CONSERVATIVE (to conserve) (aka not create) I knew you retards would give me a million (you)s because you cant except a world that isn't black and white with liberals being completely defined as absolute brainwashed retards and nothing more. Conservatives want things to stay how they are or go back. You do know Chinese conservatives want communism and Chinese liberals want democracy right? Also I'd like you to name your "conservative art". >>722172750Do you really think I'm saying 100% of people fall into these strict categories with no possibility for outliers? That's like me saying "Nordic people are taller than Koreans" and you showing me a picture of a 7ft Korean guy. >>722172409Making art is creativity yes.>>722173472Its pretty creative to pretend to be a woman. You guys really think its surprising that an artistic industry leans left? I guarantee every construction site, oil rig, and job site in America is conservative leaning. Is that surprising to you?
>>722174523You're right, hypocritical retards like you who think creativity has a political leaning are a great cautionary tale for anyone who doesn't want to become a direction-brained automaton designed to run distraction for the elite.
>>722174787>I knew you retards would give me a million (you)s because you cant except a world that isn't black and whitemeanwhile you pretend that people are literally born creative and left leaning or orderly and right leaning lmao stfu you goddamn pseud retard
>>722173960>Were you referring to anyone else?Perhaps... like the woman who got up on stage.
>>722174462>The country is conservative "compared to western politics" therefore the people in the creative industries are conservativegreat logic
>>722174462The heckin conservative titans like Sony, Nintendo, and Capcom
>>722173745right: we’re replacing you with foreigners.left: you can’t do this, workers rise up!right: you’re racist for putting yourself before a brown person.left: i’m sorry, take my job and house.
>>722174787It must suck not having any personality outside of politics. All the perspectives on and experiences of life you'll miss because everything has to be political... a shame, really.
>>722174787so youre a conservative? you're literally trying to conserve the literal definition of these words. That's the opposite of creativity.
>>722169610>>722170287To be fair Tim is the least egregious faggot in the industry and he actually knows the technicality of what he's talking about. I don't get why anons get so assmad about him.
>>722174909People are literally born creative, yesThey are not born left-wing or right-wing, those are arbitrary
>>722174660Why would conservatives have created the wheel?
>>722174928She looks like she smells musky.
>>722169610In reality, most people are closer to each other politically than they think, and a good amount of it can actually be prescribed as an issue of semantics which keeps them from understanding one another. Despite this, the media and corpos atomize the slight differences and make people go absolutely insane, as by design. The videogame industry is as lefty as the employees need to be in order to keep working there. It is performative for the sake of keeping a job, while the higher ups actually believe their own shit, but will not suffer for it because of failing upward
>>722174984dumbest post in the thread
>>722174787>Its literally the definition of CONSERVATIVE (to conserve) and the opposite is to destroy (aka not create)
>>722174787>you cant except a world that isn't black and whiteLike the black and white worldview you present here?>>722172014More hypocrisy. Unsurprising.
>>722174648>American liberals totally welcome Japan video games and don't want to hijack them at all.
>>722175037to increase their proffits. Jews invented the wheel for a reason.
>>722174787>Its literally the definition of CONSERVATIVE (to conserve) (aka not create)And therefore every conservative must strictly adhere to this paradigm? That's a pretty black and white view of things, don't you think?
>>722174787>be me, raised conservative>drawing a picture of a dragon in robot armor>look down at paper>nothing there>draw again>still nothing>mfw conservatives cannot create because they have the wrong politics in an experience which does not relate to politics
>>722175204leftists love their binaries
>>722175204The more conservative you are the less creative you will beTherefore creative industries lean left
>>722169610Devs are left, gamers are right
>>722174984obviously. Like I said you retards cant accept a world where liberals aren't anything but brainwashed retards and conservatives are based chads who would be better off without liberals existing. As if liberal and conservative traits haven't existed for the entirety of humanity>>722174961great argument against my point. You people are the ones turning liberal and conservative traits into politics
>>722174787>Do you really think I'm saying 100% of people fall into these strict categories with no possibility for outliers?>Its literally the definition of CONSERVATIVE (to conserve) (aka not create)
>>722174046That explains why leftists can't make it work in gaming. It's not art.
>>722175325>great argument against my pointyour point is in direct contradiction with reality, no argument needs to be made against it
>>722174809>You're right, hypocritical retards like you who think creativity has a political leaningFuckin hell cunt you're like 85IQ. I've been consistently saying in this thread that the creative impulse is actually God-given and higher than mere politics, and even Atheist Liberals share in this divine dispensation - which was allotted to them by God - though they might not understand it. My position is the least partisan stance possible: both Conservatives and Liberals and necessarily creative and capable of creation, because they are capable of self-knowledge within God's Creation.Actually stop and think.
>>722175270this is why us chuds know there are more than 2 genders
>>722175273Wow. Such a hypocrite. Black and white thinking is perfectly fine when you do it...
He should make another video about how he loves to suck cock. At least that's a subject he still understands
>>722175061Evidently not since you couldn't refute it and only posted your seethe.
>>722175491You know what, just keep contradicting yourself. I think by now it's pretty clear to everyone who's in the wrong here.
>>722175521Black and white thinking is saying you're either progressive or conservativeThe reality is that humans are complex and have progressive or conservative positions on different topics, but as a generalzation the more open-minded you are the more creative you will be
>righty non-creative, lefty creativethis is a retarded argument that forgets the simple fact that creation does NOT mean you are taking down what previously existed, and replacing it with something new (which is what lefties do)
pretty much everything good was made by hardworking family men not fatherless activist degenerates or more recently tranny eunuchs
>>722175116>>722175204>>722175270Yes that is definitely what I mean. If I say "Being tolerant of lactose is a European trait" that means I think every single white person isn't lactose intolerant. because people don't talk in generalizations.
>>722175491>Its literally the definition of CONSERVATIVE (to conserve) (aka not create)huh
>>722172872>chinks>leftistlmao. this is your brain on /pol/rot. Let me guess, see flag and slogan "communism" somewhere and they automatically must be all political leftist kek. chinks dont even have a state guaranteed retirement system (pensions) and zero social programs of any kind. If they cant churn out a profit on you, even from your organs, then your value is zero
>>722175621>appeals to consensus judgementLONDON?Nah, just joking.You have to go back though.
>>722175689>Its literally the definition of CONSERVATIVE (to conserve) (aka not create)>(aka not create)
>>722174960Marx and Engels warned that capitalists will use migrants as a weapon, retard.What you're describing are neoliberals, they're the ones that are pro-corporations, pro-immigrants, pro-consumerism, pro destruction of the nuclear family, hate blue collar workers, elitists and so on. Literally everything they do and advocate for somehow benefits corporations despite calling themselves "left wing", funny how that works.
Can someone explain what are inherent personality traits of liberals and traits of conservatives then?
>>722172014If the world is in order then what would change bring?
>>722172014Creative liberal art is different from politically captured creativesI am a professional artist and I am not politically liberal in the slightest beyond disliking protestant hustle culture "if ye aint workin two jobs yer a sissy liberal". I do not label myself conservative or liberal, though I mostly vote conservative as democrats are pulling too far in a psychotic direction.Creativity is a liberal process by definition but does not dictate your politics. Game Devs/artists have easily malaeble minds that are influenced easily and currently affected by idealogically captured women and teachers.Inb4 "pyw" fuck off /ic/
>>722173829The missing part is that the guys who made the hobby got suits involved at some point who took control and see getting more normies in there as increasing profits.
>>722175693>>722175769This probably slaps if you're an ESL.
>>722175662conservatives are non-creativeright wing politics align towards conservativestherefore people who align with left-wing politics are more creative
>>722175729I love the fact that people were calling them out for sitting around doing nothing, and expecting other to do the work for them and get paid ridiculous salaries. These people are without a job now, fuck them.
>>722175764Cool, now you have another thing to pretend you have a problem with and then do yourself.
>>722169610Creative industries in general aren't nearly as left-wing as they would suggest. They're gatekept as hard as possible by leftists so all the non-lefties including moderates and the non-politically inclined are either hiding or pretending to be left wing. The balance of politics between right and left leaving out the middle is probably more like 60:40 leftists. I know we all kind of like to do this thing where we call into question people's skills and intelligence based on their political beliefs but they're not so closely linked.
>>722175809Conservatives are not open-minded, that's what defines them and that's why they aren't creativeLiberal isn't really the opposite to being conservative
Whenever you have a left wing friend, you just keep your mouth shut around them and let them blather their bullshit, because you know they're brainwashed, and will literally have you excommunicated for being a "fascist".What I'm saying is, it's impossible to tell. But most people are normal, and not weird, and the left are weird.
>>722175853This cheap gotcha talk belongs on Facebook. This is something a 65 y.o would post.
>>722175860if conservatives are non-creative, where did their politics come from? did it spawn into existence?
>>722175914You've said nothing interesting this whole exchange. Say something worth debating or I'll write this off as a (You) farm. If I'm wrong, go into detail as to why.Go on.
>>722176127No. :)
>>722176085There's nothing creative about politics
>>722176085the past
>>722175965If your entire worldview is things taught to you by Star Trek TNG, and Hey Arnold, then you aren't open minded.This is Reddit brain. Just presuming that broadly identifying as a liberal, means you came to all of those conclusions on your own, through careful thought and contemplation.
>>722175965>Conservatives are not open-mindedthat's pretty ironic considering how close minded you are
>>722176127why would I debate a hypocrite?
>>722176170and liberals are political, so there's nothing creative about liberals :^)>>722176180and those people in the past?
>>722176168sneed
the industry is "progressive" until you start caring about poor people, then you get kicked out
>>722176213Not sure what this has to do with my post>>722176217That's literally the definition of the word, conservatives conserve what exists as opposed to creating something new, getting mad at it is peak retardation
>>722176127>Say something worth debating or I'll write this off as a (You) farm.You mean you'll fuck off? Great!
>>722175491I don't care about your fairy tales.
>>722169610I think the average gamer is a hybrid of left-wing and right-wing opinions that doesn't neatly fit in either bracket. Like, they'll call people niggers if they can get away with it, but they're okay with gay people existing so long as they aren't obnoxious about it
>>722176263>incapable of forming basic argumentMogged. I win.
>>722174648>>722174948>>722174951All of these replies sucked, holy shit.
>>722176363>That's literally the definition of the word, conservatives conserve what exists as opposed to creating something newWhy is your worldview so black and white?
>>722175662THIS
Political issues are clearly important and humanity has a lot of decisions to make entering our "futuristic utopia/dystopia" phase. However, I'm not convinced the average person (95% of people) are knowledgeable enough or possess the proper tools to do anything about the political issues they feel so strongly about. I have strong political opinions (Obama teleported Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 through an Einstein-Rosen Bridge with a non-equilibrium plasma orb targeting system and this isn't a joke, 2 very real videos of it leaked within days of the plane disappearing) but they don't bleed into my game dev projects or music unless it's some sort of really cool neutral theme that pretty much anyone could agree is worth including. I think the way Metal Gear Solid approaches politics is much closer to how it should be portrayed if you're gonna handle that kind of stuff.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HulO5oR4SaU
>>722176363the modern left are the most close minded people I've ever met, and we have statistics backing up the fact that they're incredibly close minded, and can't even comprehend what their opponents believe, in a lot of cases.>but I love gays and niggers. I am SO open mindedTelevision told you to do those things!
>>722176425Yes, you won! You can leave now, knowing you pwned us all.
>>722176446That's not a world view, it's the definition of conservative
>>722172014leftists do not create. They simply imitate or bastardize existing creations
>>722176386This is liberal creativity at its purest form.
>>722176364>>722176375>seething pleddit rageNot very heccin friendly, ya'll.
>>722176612I'm not friendly to hypocrites.
>>722176426You dumb faggot the biggest Japanese game companies are the ones that cater to the west meanwhile all the Japanese play is Chinese or Korean gacha
>4chan will mostly agree that iq is mostly genetic along with criminally or any other controversial non physical genetic trait >Personality disorders are all genetic and nobody has a problem with that>personality slant is 100% a blank slate though lol I think you guys just can't accept that you do not have full free will and you're mindset isn't fully chosen by your individualism.
>>722176497>the modern left are the most close minded people I've ever metSure but politics is far more complicated that simply conservative / open-minded
>>722176650That's not the argument.This reply also sucked.
>>722176530And you're the definition of narcissist. Keemstar would be so proud of you.
>>722174019True, but the political pendulum has swung so far even guys like Andy Warhol or Norman Rockwell would be considered right wing these days.
>>722172014Yes reddit, every single human born since the start of civilization can be reduced to blue vs red american politics.
>>722176740I'm a narcissist because I'm telling you what a word means? Lol
>>722176386wtf XD
>>722176769JK Rowling is considered right wing, man.
>>722169610If youre a retarded that thinks right wing reactionary dems are "left-wing" then everyone is a lefty
>>722176180The past.
>>722176681>>4chan will mostly agree thatOh just fuck off. Sorry not everyone agrees with you on every little opinion you have.
>>722172014You're not really wrong that creative/artistic types tend to be more left-leaning, but you've made it sound like creativity isn't found in right-leaning people>You are born with genetics that decide your political leanings.How did you come to determine that?
>>722176527>anon says I'm being politically partisan>I explain why that isn't the case>anon short-circuits and spergs out instead of engaging with discussionYou don't know how to put basic thought to word and fashion simple rebuttals.
>>722176612I have literally been here longer than Reddit has existed.
>>722176769Conservatives today would cheer if Ruby Ridge happened today
>>722169610Right wingers are too stupid and lazy to do computer programming, or anything really. Why do you think the AI generator thing has been so popular for conservatives making infinite dogshit to the point that the rapist in chief reposts it?
>>722176814No, you're a narcissist because you are guilty of everything you accuse others of but twist it into being different when it isn't.
>>722176587You have to admit though, the ones that initially come up with things like this gender shit have to be creative because no one in their right mind would devise something so complex but also stupid and vain at the same time. That takes some talent.
>>722176890That's because nobody is entirely conservative and nobody is entirely liberal
silicon valley was not created by democrats. nothing of value ever was
>>722176915Yes, I've been here since Digg days too.That isn't a gloat, it just means we both got filtered by early BTC threads.
>>722176964I didn't accuse anyone of anything you stupid fuck I simply said being conservative means not being creative
>>722172014>Creativity is a liberal trait.Well, if you mean it in a libertarian sense.The authoritarian corporate progressive whatever is not creative.
>>722176906Anon, you won. I'm agreeing with you. That's all you ever wanted.>a-actually I wanted a genuine discuss-No, you did not, which is why your starting post was /pol/bait, and why you keep contradicting yourself.
>>722176872its literally the "right wing" opinion thought and everyone just assumes I'm liberal because I didn't just call liberals tranny retards and explained there is more nuance to the world
>>722175491Which God?
>>722170187calling modern leftists commies is so funny to me, because they are total opposites
>>722177193>its literally the "right wing" opinionWhy am I supposed to care?
>>722177070>I didn't accuse anyone of anything>>722174787>you cant except a world that isn't black and white
>American conservatives decry higher education as evil gay faggot shit for decades>”Wahh why are all the college educated left leaning
leftoids say they hate attractive women and want ugly niggers and trannies in gamesbut if you ask them to list their favorite games, it's going to be a fully chuddy list with stuff like nier automatathe list isn't going to have anything like horizon, concord, relooted or unknown 9 on itmost of their favorite games will be old, from the time before leftroons invaded game development
Was HP Lovecraft a Liberal?Ian Flemming?John Wayne?Just because liberals tend to seize control of cultural spaces and force all of the chuds out, doesn't mean there's no natural inclination toward creativity. Even gardening or writing church music are creative arts.
>IT'S RIGHT>IT'S LEFT>IT'S RIGHT>IT'S LEFT>IT'S RIGHT>IT'S LEFTGet a fucking life.
>>722177374I didn't make that post
>>722177131>>a-actually I wanted a genuine discuss->No, you did not,I didn't want a discussion? How could we know? You were too tepid to ever start one. Is this what you do? Constantly bicker over the starting premise of a talk, and never engage with the topic?
>>722177292I don't know. you don't have toIf I said >most people on 4chan agree that the games industry is full of faggots are retards I would get a thread that hit the bump limit
>>722177394uh huh
>>722177456I'm not allowed to respond when someone says something blatantly wrong?
>>722177394American conservative here, I think higher education is important.
>>722177452>Just because liberals tend to seize control of cultural spaces and force all of the chuds out, doesn't mean there's no natural inclination toward creativity.There is an inclination for conservatives to not be creative but that doesn't map 100% onto left / right wing politics
>>722177532I don't even know who you are.
>>722177556How are you gauging what creativity is defined as?Does it just mean joining an openly gay performing arts group?
>>722172439I'm a chud and I hate AI, actually
>I know I said that by definition you don't create but that doesn't mean I said you don't create
>>722177530>>722177394The "higher education is anti-white commiegay" thing is sour grapes from stupid assholes who were never going to college in the first place lol
>>722177448kek this
>>722177660Defining creativity is a famously difficult problem
>>722177509>How could we know?see >>722177131>your starting post was /pol/bait>you keep contradicting yourself
>>722169610I like daddy cain. Lubing up my biggest bad dragon to sit on while i watch his new vid rn
>>722177707Being conservative and being creative are personality traits that everyone has to a certain degree. The fact that you think you're either conservative or not, like an on/off switch, just shows how fucking brainrotted you are by politics
Do you autistic retards really think that when I say "X is a Y trait" that means I think 100% of the time everything would fall into that category? If I said "blue eyes is a trait of white people" do you think I'm saying 100% of white people have blue eyeGod you guys are retarded
>>722169610I'm a creative in the industry but I pretend to be left/keep quiet to keep my job. I have a lot of friends in the industry who do the same.If you're conservative and in the industry, you're not allowed to vocalize it because all the bosses are liberal.
>>722177448It's almost like the "leftoids say" thing is just a strawman created by right wingers that doesn't map onto reality at all
>>722177718Thinking outside the box, or making something out of nothing.
>>722177718And yet, somehow, this stupid faggot thinks he can say for 100% certain creativity is liberal. Without any definition for creativity. Not a god damned leg to stand on.
>>722175860>>722175834you are a retard. Orderliness and openness (creativity) are two distinct traits and are not mutually exclusive.
>>722177530>AHHH it’s the niggermans faultCollege educated have been left leaning since before whatever culture war BS you cope with. Conservatives as whole never saw higher education as important for close to a century and then are surprised it’s left leaning and those who come of out of it leaning left
>>722177850Then they should stop literally saying those things.
>>722177827I don't think I'm conservative at all.
>>722177878No, I can say that creativity is not conservative, because being conservative is not making anything new, and making something new is what creativity is, it's just a question of what qualifies as "new"
>>722169610Left wing people succeed because their views are the views of the government, which means they can fully pursue and even voice their beliefs anywhere, whereas right wing people's beliefs are either illegal or criminalized, so all you see in the mainstream media is left wing ideas. It's not that hard to understand.
>>722177973wow i can't believe being a chud is literally illegal now
>>722176085It's al reactionary. Notice how almost always its about regressing and going back and not actually putting forward new solutions.
>>722177950Nobody is 0% conservative or 100% conservative
>>722177950me neither. I'm an autistic internet debater. I don't believe in anything.
>>722177765More empty pedantry. More nervous refusal to speak clearly, and plainly. SPEAK. Let anon hear your thoughts.You're not even here right now. Caught in a web of faggoty neurosis.I bet you're like this irl too. Nervous sperg.
>>722178037Might as well be when vocalizing your views means losing your job.
>>722169610Most American game development happens in California/the west coast. That's all you need to know.
>>722176978yeah. But true creativity is both novel and useful. The gender shit might be novel, but is in no way useful.
>>722177827>how fucking brainrotted you are by politicsYour entire worldview is a result of political brainrot. You assign liberal and conservative to things like creativity and order.
>>722177926But "they" don't, it's just bullshit lunatics repeat in right wing echo chambers as strawmen over which to circlejerk
>>722177916The people who ran the British empire were highly educated. Were they left-leaning?
>>722178204They weren’t American
At least "conservatives" (if they actually make games) can keep themselves from inundating their games with retarded schizo /pol/faggotry
>>722176340as long as they’re also non-white, non-rural, or gay it’s kosher
>>722175834sorry, meant for:>>722172014
>>722177909I didn't say that
>>722178254>(if they actually make games)(they don't)
>>722178131NoLiberal is not the opposite to conservative. Liberals value liberty, conversatives value conservation. Literally. Conservation is the opposite to creativity. Liberty is mostly unrelated.These are the literal definitions of the words, stripped of their political meaning. Politics is mostly braindead garbage but people who idenitfy as conservatives politically are still quite conservative in the classical sense of the word so they will be less creative
>>722178197I fucking talk to them, and they do. I even talk to people who draw sexy art, who then turn around and say there need to be uglier women in games, and put themselves through a whole struggle session over the thing.
>>722178131Your political brainrot is attributing liberal and conservative to politics
>>722178082Okay, this time I'll put it in a format that you can understand better.You were never here for genuine discussion because your starting post was /pol/bait and you keep contradicting yourself. Also, immediately after complaining about facebook talk, you spend the rest of the thread doing it. Hypocrite, /pol/baiter, shitposter. Nothing of value to say, begs people to engage genuinely while being disingenuous.Hope this helps!
>>722169610All the tweets ever are made by less than 3% of the userbase. There is a silent majority, but since they're silent we don't know their political affiliations.
>>722169610Video games? To answer the question, though, artists and creative types are overwhelmingly liberal and left-leaning. It's kind of a requirement since that political alignment means seeing things that aren't there and striving to create a different world, which mirrors the creative process. Conservatism by contrast is that nothing should change and nothing new should be created. It's kind of obvious which philosophy would be the one held by creative types, wouldn't it?The executives and business types are probably a mixed bag, but those people are scum and the reason games suck the past few decades.
>>722178331>>722178360Tell me what traits are required to be liberal and what triats are required to be conservative.
>>722169610"Violence" has been the default ever since Pong digivolved into Space Invaders.
>>722178337You shouldn't talk to your hallucinations lol
>Liberals seized control of the spaces!Meanwhile Trump is directly ordering companies to elevate or fire individuals according to his whims. Chuds have no idea what truly forcing your way through things really entails. My home state's ongoing deconstruction of its public university system at the direct hands of the governor is what forcing your way into institutions and locking people out truly looks like.
>>722178448I don't know what you're asking because I just did in my post
I do enjoy this discourse its genuine discussion about creativity in games and art... this could never happen on social media without some black person reaction gif or wojak.
>>722178058Sometimes you have to acknowledge you're on the wrong path, go back and take a different route. Male entertainment whether it's games, tv, film, comics in the west is on such a wrong path.
>>722176978it’s ultimately just relativism, amazing how harmful they made gender politics when it’s just their meaningless subjective feelings, they never could have caused that damage without big money from big pharma
>>722177972Conservatism in essence is eugenics because it's the physical body of the race that is preserved and everything else like history and culture is secondary to that since they exist in the minds of people. So the idea that something like family values precludes a person from engaging in the creative act is a retarded statement you make only because you have brainrot.
>>722178331>Conservation is the opposite to creativity.Creativity is required to conserve effectively.
>>722178531I'm a social chameleon. You don't know how many circles I move in.
>>722178331What if I value both?
>>722178629That's why I said nobody is 0% or 100% conservative>>722178630That's true in a practical sense but being conservative is a mode of thought, it's saying "I'm not open to new ideas, I'm just doing what works already"
>>722178535>realizing if anything too late that they have to play the same game their opponents play, or lose cultural relevancyYes?
>>722178109half are fired already and replaced by workers in india
>>722178707You can because they don't contradict each otherThe opposite to being conservative is being progressive, not being liberal. Liberal just means you value liberty and freedom
>>722178758My conservative mode of thought says I want to conserve the habitat of some sea life and I'm open to creative new ideas to more effectively do so.
Define "creativity."
>>722169610The video game industry isn't right or left wing, it's just whatever is most profitable. "Inclusivity" is just a marketing ploy to make minority groups feel more included and pandered to, therefore extending the reach of their potential audience. It's about appealing to the most people as possible, regardless of what the actual ideology of the higher ups or devs is (which is just whatever makes the most money in the case of AAA games)
>>722175037Why wouldn't they? I don't follow your logic.
>>722178535the institutions are already rotten
>>722178897How hard is it to grasp that being conservative is not an identity and just an attitude? It's like saying you can only wear one outfit, or you can only feel one emotion. Everyone has different attitudes towards different topics
>>722178372That is another rehash of what you (incorrectly) perceive as being my position.You'll never state your own position because you have no metaphysical basis for your position, outside of material reductionist partisan politics. The great irony to your constantly decrying of anon as being a so-called "/pol/baiter" is that you've literally no metaphysical mode to transcend the material-/pol/itical. This is genuinely all you know.And I don't expect any kind of serious response to this, because let's face it, you're pretty dumb.
>>722169610All of public society has become leftist, because they are extremely good at gatekeeping and have the majority of Jewish power behind them.
>creativity is gay>shakespeare wrote dozens of sonnets telling roasties to make babies
>>722179079>being conservative is not an identity and just an attitudeBased on what definition?
>>722179175the one i already posted
Violence isn't a conservative ideal and historically it's been conservative christian mothers that have stood against violence in video games. The whole premise of the thread is faulty
>>722179106>That is another rehash of what you (incorrectly) perceive as being my position.It's the truth.
What the fuck when did /v/ get filled with leftists retards
>>722170152This. I personally manage about 1% of securities trading in the United States and I am a completely covert Nazi, socially speaking.
>>722173976>you didnt read the bookGO BACK TO SCHOOL
>>722179123evil leftist schemes require big government, and government always wants more government, so they go together well
you know, building a cathedral is an incredible work of creative engineering.
>>722170391the blacks can just say "no"
>>722179175Definitions aren't reality. Logically, gay people can't 'marry' by the definition of that word and everything it entails, but you use the word differently because of the time and place you live.
>>722179231I disagree. Nothing in your definition states it can't also be an identity.
>>722179238>Violence isn't a conservative ideal???
>>722178702I know, zero
>>722169610>is the biggest entertainment industry that is currently eating itself alive to extract as much wealth from people while abusing it's workers predominantly left wingreally makes me think
>>722169610Cain is a massive cock sucking faggot but he did go out and say that Fallout is NOT a critique of capitalism despite wokefags really wanting it to be one.
>>722179258resetera raid
>>722179254>And I don't expect any kind of serious response to this, because let's face it, you're pretty dumb.Vindicated, yet again. Ever-predictable in your mediocrity.Image being too dumb to rise to this challenge. Kek. Pathetic.
>>722172439Every professional Photoshop user I know is a leftoid. That is AI.
>>722179340bazinga
>>722179384Why would I debate a hypocrite?
>>722179329You can make a particular attitude your identity, but that just makes you a moronIt's like saying I'm on Team Angry and my response to every situation will be angerA smart person would have different attitudes towards different topics based on what worked and what was most realistic
>>722179296Leftism isn't big government, it's gay government. The right should want big government that is anti-gay.
>>722172014Nice opinions you downloaded from Jordan Peterson. There is more to the world than the left side and the right side. >>722172178>something as basic to humanity as creativityThe majority of people are 0% creative. Creative people are extremely rare anon. You were conditioned to think everyone is creative when you were growing up alongside other feelgood lies
>>722179403>That is AI.Anon... it's literally piss filter ghiblishit, no one is pretending it's not AI
>>722179456Even when you're anonymous you don't assert yourself and speak plainly.Very telling (that you are gay!)
>>722179547>Even when you're anonymousNever had a name or trip. You going schizo on me?
This thread reminds me of this.
>>722169610>muh violent video games15 years ago this was a conservative talking point and now it's a liberal one.
>>722177258great cope
>>722172872>Gacha>Leftistcome on lol
all the old games you love would be considered right wing incel nazi chud coomer shit today
>>722169610>>722170078The left has spent the last 15 or so years meticulously infiltrating and taking over the industry, planting activists and removing anyone who refused to comply with the new world order.Yes, the people within the industry are mostly left-wing. It is also entirely manufactured.
>>722179591>You going schizo on me?I know you're not playing like you're normal irl. We both know you get fidgety when it comes to basic eye contact.Boring cunts always (You) farm in boring ways.
>>722178535Chuds are easy to vote out. Centrists, leftists and other woketards are smart enough to cement things in a way that avoids the whims of the voter as much as possible.
>>722179748they certainly "created" a lot of butthurt lmao
>>722179689What do you mean? Some of the most leftist shit is insanely violent. The Last of Us 2, BG3, to name a couple.
>entire thread of chuds seething because anon said conservatives can't createwomp womp
>>722173996EU4HaloUhhh maybe RE5
>>722172872Gacha is right wing but not the kind of right wing chuds here like.
>>722179748>womp wompmogged simp oof yikes grift grim "You love to see it"
>>722179793I'm not playing at all.
>>722179907Oh I forgot>Banger bop slaps
where are all the bipoc trans women of color in wheelchairs??
>>722179748>you le can't create, because you didn't make a gay painting about being gayIncredible input.Do you know how hard it is to design and build a battleship?
>>722179908Another top shelf hitta.Bant after bant. How does he do it?
>>722179748>>722179842Not getting the play here.
>>722179282yeah, i didn't. seethe!
>>722179992More importantly, where's the vitiligo?
>>722179842
>>722179784>15 or soMore than 50.
>>722179829No such thing as bad tactics, only bad targets.
>>722179794That’s why one of chuds' main targets is voting itself and they're getting away with it.
>>722172014
>>722173764The game he worked on, Fallout, can be completed as a pacifist. Fallout 2 also can, with the exception of the final boss, but you can have other people kill him
>>722180012With relative ease!
>>722179842>conservatives can't create?
>>722169610This is coming from the guy who did pic related..
>>722179726nah, just someone who reads and studies history.
>>722173120(We do this to mock you.)
>>722180217based
leftroons would have a heart attack if they consumed any media created before the 2000squadruple heart attack if it was made before the 60s
>>722180093Nah, that's for other media and industries. It took them a while to recognize the potential of video games but once they did they acted quick.
>>722180172That would require basic charisma. Which you're yet to display. You're still at OpenAI bot or Indian tier.
People who call themselves creative are just schizophrenic
>>722173120>>722180247You know we don't control what propaganda the government makes, right?
>>722180247They weren’t meant to mock Americans they were meant to wake Americans up that the government was playing on their patriotism to use them as goy fodder and the jews perverted the message to have the opposite effect
>>722173120Rambo 1, maybe.Also even then, no. Rambo 1 was a criticism of the way that veterans got treated when they returned to America.
>>722169610There's definitely more leftists than rightists because they're mostly in big american cities.But the majority aren't particularly politicized, and less motivated to occupy spaces like HR unlike their leftist peers. So over time it becomes more leftist.
>>722169610The left infiltrates everything that does not actively resist and reject them. They make everything political. I'm tired of it. I cant even get a slice of pizza anymore, without seeing tranny and pride flags and/or being lectured to. Like no joke, I got lip from some fat female theyby for mispronouncing my taco order. She jumped down my throat about disrespecting her and her culture. And all I wanted was a fucking taco. It's just so mentally exhausting dealing with these people. Always having to walk on eggshells around them. Being careful not to trigger them. At this point I just wanna carry out a genocide on the left and finally have my peace. Remember it does not matter how much you tolerate them. It will never be enough, because they hate you and use these passive-aggressive tactics to safely and covertly wage war on you. There is no solution. You just gotta kill them all!
>>722171994this
>>722180334i assume it’s how bipolar cunts who make life hell for everyone around them see themselves
>>722180292meanwhile media made before the 60s
>>722180321I prefer combat-focused builds when I play RPGs.
>>722180525>>722180321just fucking kiss and get it over with already
>>722180509>Exploitation of Marilyn Monroe's status as a sex symbol>"men dressing as women is le funny"Okay?
>>722180413No shit the government didn’t care for Rambo. Because the government sold him a lie, he bleed for them and then it spat him out with nothing. Then every dogshit movie after one showed you that war was awesome
>>722172014sorry dude but human beings can generalize and specialize beyond your direction-brained mindsettakes all kinds
>>722180594Okay!>>722180321*kisses u*
>>722169610Politics is largely a show, so who even cares?
>>722169610Yes because rightoids rarely create anything for entertainment. Rightoids take existing products and replicate it for a quick buck, innovation only happens in sectors such as weaponry (of individual killings and mass destruction) or porn, but even there furries (lefties) got them beat.
>>722180435None of that is political. Infinitely annoying, yes, but not political.
>>722180689People care because even though politics is a show, the show is politics, so people pretend to believe it even when they don't
>>722180620>hiring a famous celebrity for a role in a movie is exploitationwow
>>722180846Haven't you heard? Everything is political.
>>722180594>playing le hall monitorYou're here forever, and you clearly don't understand what that really means yet. Enjoy.
>rightwing>like to draw>on the spectrum so I will never be able to be a real artist because my brain doesn't process artistic stuff like a regular human
>>722180976Maybe he can join our kissing sesh! *kisses u again*
>>722180846The left injects their toxic politics into everything. And they're neither smart nor subtle about it. Not anymore. It's so in your face now. Unlike back then, when they would add it in like an easter egg. Discreetly, so that only those in the know, would know. But the rest of us, were blissfully unaware. That was the only way I could tolerate left wing politics in my media, when it was invisible. But as soon as leftist politic became part of the story's fabric, I tuned out and stopped consuming. Same reason why I cant stand the MCU. Too much feminist girl power bullshit.
>>722180868Using a prostitute is exploitative.
>>722180976ditch the schizo babble and come back to reality before you reply to me again
>>722180625It wasn't about patriotism bad though. It was specifically about how people who fought for their country got screwed over. At no point is Rambo painted as morally questionable for having been in the war. It's the other way around. Rambo is good, and America doesn't deserve him.
>>722181149>when I didn't realize I was being called out for being a shitty person I was fine with it but now I seethe endlessly about leftism
>>722180868Yeah, that's how the term "exploitation" is used in the film industry. Things that get asses in seats.I'm not saying they enslaved her.
>>722179842The fact that artists are overwhelmingly left wing is true.But it's very clearly a post-war phenomenom.It begs the question of how exactly this came to be.
>>722181054Fags have ass worms, I politely decline. (Get parasite treatment today!)
>>722170391They were just fine playing by themselves before. They can still play by themselves.
>>722181349*kisses u anyway*
