I don't get the appeal, chapter 4 fuckin sucks, its boring and nothing happens. You just walk around in the dark and climb shit. Jackenstein doesn't really redeem it either. Idk where people get off saying 4 is better than 3.2>3>1>4
>>722200671you sound raped
>>722200671May I see your media literacy license please ma'am?
No but seriously, whats even good about 4? Like 3 or so songs?
>>722201191The not-Oogway turtle guy.
3 was way better, the melodrama and too much time in the light world didn't really take me, obviously the fags that spend their waking hours obsessing over theories and shipping ate it up while calling 3 "filler" or a waste of time. I still liked it overall though, but it's definitely in last place so far, with 1 at the top.
>>722200671the only thing I don't get is why they made toriel a slut and sans a dipshit when everybody loved them prior to that
>>722202137because it was funny
>>722200671Chapter 4 is kino. It introduced lots of information about Noelle and the prophecy, had an awesome soundtrack, and you get to fight a fucking titan.2=4>3>1. 1 is the weakest one, and it's still pretty good. Toby's a talented guy.
>>7222006714 has vibes going for it, though I suspect there was some cut content for it. Didn't some newsletter say "oh yeah there is this one room we are working on and it has like a few hundered permutaions based on your actions ahaha :^)"? And as far as I've seen no room like the sort exists in game.
>>722200671Gotta love how it turned into a game for shipfags
>>7222006713 and 4 were both dogshitDeltarune ended after chapter 2
>>722200671and then you rape a deer
>>722203094>turned into
>>722203094It didn't but if you try talking about the game the admins delete/autosage the thread.
>>722202137Toriel was always a bad person, people just couldn't see past her friendly motherly depiction in the Ruins. Toby has been more on the nose about it in Deltarune and especially in Chapter 4 so people get the hint
>>722202137toriel was always a dumb cunt whore
>>722202947that was>Please don't hack the code of the game and look at it this time, because we had four thousand little tree objects in one room and when we tried to run on consoles as a test it wasn't even reaching 30 fps. Lol.which people interpreted as possibly referring to trees in the programming sense, but with hindsight is pretty obviously referring to mantle
>>722200671Mainly for some of the greatest music I've ever heardhttps://youtu.be/cNG0Ay3B3Mkhttps://youtu.be/tBdLO8u-0L8https://youtu.be/Jp7kfYH4VaEhttps://youtu.be/7f1RK1m7qvchttps://youtu.be/z2IT2YzscSEhttps://youtu.be/nP9mB1sVJz4https://youtu.be/QZ03-aaO4sA
>>722200671Im glad Toby confirmed the worst paring as Cannon, now i don't have to buy this crapThanks /u/ faggots for having a shit teir fetish and saving me money
>>722203709>It was literal tree objectsI never would have thought about that.There's probably a smart way to do this, yeah?Link's Awakening had a shitload of choppable plant objects.
>>722203406This is all because one of Toby's friends thought she was perfect so he had to show her flaws since he loves flawed characters.
>>722200671You need to be a tranny or some millennial numale to not automatically disregard this non-game.
>>722203727https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI-0zJaqqZE&list=RDiI-0zJaqqZE&start_radio=1
>>722204145you also have to be a no fun allowed tourist to be this obsessed with hating it
>>722204145Hey zoomer, the only thing that is male about you is your male pattern baldness you had since high school.
>>722204476Based
>>722203406Nah you're just going hard in the other direction.Toriel has flaws but unless toby has plans to make some great twist revealing her to be a big antagonist (unlikely since he wouldn't want to completely sour her as a character for her fans) it's going to amount to her being a flawed by loving mother-figure.
>>722204693>>722204875You people take the bait every single thread.
>>722207052Well, you know what they say - what goes around, comes around. Today I take someone's bait, and hopefully tomorrow someone will take mine.
>>722202051the problem with 3 is after the first board, it's repetitive, because apart from the second board you have to do the boards for the shadow mantle.
>>722207052i know it's bait, i'm trying to sus out if he's the janny or the hotpocketlikely the hotpocket, janny would've nuked it if it were him
>>722203406I mean, Toby himself was the one who said "it might not seem like it at times, but your mom loves you" when talking about Toriel during that one DR livestream
>>722207924Considering what just happened to the other thread, I think I know what's going on here.
>>722207953Toby loves flawed characters. He said that on the stream. He made that scene with Sans and Toriel because he likes those characters, not because he hates them. Probably why he's a Charafag, too.
>>722203709>but with hindsight is pretty obviously referring to mantlehuh? how so?
>>722208136to get the ice key you have to slash trees to get into an out of bounds area, which is a couple screens of nothing but trees until you get to the one with the chest (and trees)
I definitely know what's going on here.
>>7222006714 was great3 was so bad it didn't even feel like Deltarune. I can't believe Toby delayed the game for years so he could dedicate an entire chapter of shitty minigame segments that weren't fun
>>722208127Honestly, there's very little I want more than for Toby to stay true to that way of thinking when it comes to DR Asriel.
>>722208302You're Yagischizo.
>>722208380nah, that guy doesn't end his sentences with a dot
>>722203727>every single sanctyary thememusical kino
>>722208315i've warmed up on ch3 a lot, but it's almost entirely due to the mantle gametenna's fine but not enough to carry the whole chapter
>>722208349You don't like golden boy Asriel? There's definitely SOME twist involving him. Especially since in Undertale HIS bat was supposed to be a weapon.
>>722208494everyone always praises third sanctuary but honestly entering the dark fountain with just dark sanctuary and seeing the mizzles illuminated in the light with the chanting was kino the first time
>>722208441Hmm... I guess my green pippins radar is off.
>>722208380>Yagischizo>SingularNice try, but we already figured out there's several.
>>722208746how so? i'm not sure how the art contest determined who's who
>>722208714oh. i thought you were talking about the buttslut fagthe pippin dude does tend to use proper punctuation but the tone of that post is still off. that guy seems to favor replying to people rather than posting by himself
>>722208746Okay, but you are totally the main one based on that reaction.
>>722200671Ch.4 is pretty much proof that /v/eltarune fans and toby fox have never read a book or watched any good movies. It fucking sucks ass and is paced horribly, really shows Toby's "walk through empty corridors and get the same fight 10 times" derangement syndrome formula he's shoved into every chapter except 3
>>722208978>So what if multiple people with different drawings admitted to being yag fags>That's not proof that there's more than one person, there's only one Yagi Deader Guy>And stop noticing the last thread got immediately nuked after it was brought up
>>722209310Knowing about some dumb zoomer isn't a sports team and I'm not the quarterback
>>722209660To be fair, UTDR threads to get nuked very often for seemingly no reason at all.
>>722209660oh they admitted it i wasn't paying attention to that, i was just looking at the drawings
>>722209660There could be multiple guys, but (you) are the only one who genuinely thinks jannies actually care about it.
>can't even pippinpost in peace anymoreGoddammit.
toby needs to make more mechanics for normal battles, after undertale and 4 chapters of this, I understand he wants to make an easy game for everyone but if the mechanics are just variations of the same things everytime without changing the soul mechanics, it's becoming a chore when you fight.
>>722210147It's not his fault that the schizo obsessed with someone that may or may not exist is associated with a schizo that is obsessed with someone that may or may not exist... which is basically just 4chan thinking about it.
i put too much milk in my coffee god damn it I DIDN'T BRING ANY TASTY TREATS WITH ME GOD DAMN ITTHIS BOBO THAT I'M HONKING TASTES LIKE A GRAPE VITAMIN CHEW IT'S FUCKING HORRIBLE WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS AND WHY AM I SO CHEAP AS TO BUY THE STUFF THEY'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF I DAMN THE GODS FOR MY GIVING ME SUCH A FATE AND WITH MY DYING BREATH I CURSE RALSEI
>>722209889This is like the third time
>>722203294Wow faggotron! Its almost like making 10 million threads about who fucked who and shitty softcore doe porn just so other threads get bumped off the catalog is exactly the kind of behavior that comes from underage shipfags and is properly getting fucked with by the mods because its annoying. Who woulda thought?
>>722211631You've got shit in the wrong order dog
>>722211879Actually I don't and the mods and literally everyone else agree with me that fags of this fandom refuse to go to /vg/ and for a time shat up the whole board with their annoying shipfaggotry and thoerycrafting retarded shit.
>>722212304There's maybe like one thread at a time.You'd have a point if you were talking about any number of the threads in the past year that the Admins lifted the thread creation limit for but deltarune isn't it.
>>722212428>one threadThe only reason why is because the mods shot down the threads because you fags couldn't, like I said, stop making a 100 of them about stupid bullshit and we are in a better place for it
>>722202137Toby wanted to shit up fandom discussion. its as simple as that
I dont know how Toby is going to top Big Shot in terms of music bros.
Stepdad Sans secret boss fight when?
>>722212813he allready has with the Guardian and Crumbling Tower.
I DEMAND MORE SOFTCORE DOE PORN AND DISCUSSION OF WHO FUCKED WHO
>>722213237Guardian is such a good one.
>>722214496Yagi and also something pretty crazy will happen with the freezer in Asgore's shop if that's the location of the next Dark World, and there will probably be really cool plant monsters and Jungle DnB music.
I played through all the chapters at once and didn’t care for 3 because Tenna just felt like a retread of Queen and Spamton in terms of wackiness
>>722208561Dark Sanctuary was kino, but Neverending Night surpasses it. It was the perfect way to end the chapter.
4 was culmination of the fun gangs character arcs so far, and brought a darker vibe to the game. I'm glad they shook up the formula.
>sorry for making you gay, anon>if anyone needs me, I'm off to have heterosexual sex with non-human women
>>722215819he didn't say this
his time WILL cometh
wait a minute. papyrus is the skeleton of noelle
>>722212813enter: SPAWN
>>722200671>I don't get the appeal, chapter 4 fuckin sucks, its boring and nothing happensI agree, the music was forgettable and the final boss was super lame compared to Tenna. The climbing felt so linear and scripted to the point that I barely felt like I was playing a videogame at all. That being said chapter 3 isn't great either because while most of the minigames are fun the RPG segment is boring and every battle that isn't Tenna is below mediocre.These things together made me quite disappointed after finishing the new chapters. Still had fun and everything but I was expecting more after waiting so long.
>>722200671>>722201191Chapter 4 was an expositional chapter. It was meant to answer questions from the previous chapters and provide a narrative foundation for later chapters.
I like the Cup Kniggas(The K is because they're Knights)
jannies trying to quash skelpyrelle theory
>>722201191I'M OLD
The Knight carried chapter 3, Gerson carried chapter 4. Nuff said
>>722218446>skelpyrelle >skeleton>???? apyr??>noelleFriend is Noelle's skeleton theory?
>>722205519>ruined for the fansSexy evil toriel would be kino and actually make me like her if he went all in. It would be ahead of it's time, people would hate it at first and then after a year they would love it. Only retards would be filtered, since undertale toriel is a different character from deltarune toriel.
>>722202051chapter 3 couch co-op gaming in front of the audience was so fucking comfy. Some of the best dialogue in the game, i want an entire game that's framed like that. The tenna commentary and hosting on top of it was just that much better. I loved it, I was sad we didn't get to play the city level for "real". 2 button guitar hero is kino, tenna fight is kino, knight is kino, if you didn't beat it pre nerf you didn't beat it (pirating the game means my version always stays unnerfed), I love TV, simple as.
>>722218950I bet you used the mantle, cheater.
>>722219138I "used" the mantle alright
>>722219241>thumbnail Anon....
>>722219241what is this, a mantle for ants?
>>722218746that's retarded
>>722219368Got any better suggestions for whatever the fuck "skelpyrelle" is supposed to mean then?
>>722219648nope, still retarded
>>722200671I prefer Chapter 3, but Chapter 4 was still great.Granted I'm incredibly biased as Gerson is one of my favorite characters in both Undertale and Deltarune and he's in like half of the chapter but still.
Do you think Carol was always like that, or she used to be cool?
>>722203406Definitely would not call her a bad person, she just has flaws like Asgore does. She's definitely a bad mom in both games though at least after Asriel and Chara died, she seemed fairly good from the limited knowledge we have of those events prior to that.
so... why the fuck did the demo for Undertale had a Korean translation of all languages?
>>722220164also bad mom doesn't mean "horrible piece of shit abuser". some people just aren't fit to be parents.
>>722208315>>722208501holy fucking shit taste, kill yourselves
>>722220145Toby says the spamton sweepstakes is "dubiously canon", but it's the best evidence we have of events prior to Deltarune and it implies that Carol was super abusive towards Noelle to the point she was afraid to CRY when she was scared of the electrical sockets because her mom would come in the room and berate her.
>>722220392and I'm pretty sure this happened while Dess was still alive?
>>722213237Not even close.
>>722200671>1 above anythingotherwise I agree
>>722220165https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_pronouns>A gender-neutral third person pronoun, geu (그), which was originally a demonstrative, meaning 'that' could mean she or he.
>>722220392>her mom would come in the room and berate her.Is this what passes as abuse for zoomers? Grim.
>>722200671surely toby is taking too long
>>722220392wasn't she scared because she was glitching her game in the middle of the night when everyone was asleep? i don't think the sockets in particular were what was scaring her
>>722200671the appeal is kris sexo
>>722221129>yelling at a little girl for crying after she got scaredI wouldn't call it abuse but I also wouldn't call it good parenting either.
>>722220145i think she was always pretty at arms length with the kids but had a better relationship with her family as a whole when dess was around her going missing broke her, as it did for pretty much everyone else
>>722221226tell me about the ribbons why are they so important?
>>722221320The girl wears the ribbons, that's why Ralsei thinks Susie should wear them.But Kris can wear them just as well.
>>722221421but ralsei can wear ribbons too
>>722221209she accidentally unplugged the console and was scared of getting shocked by plugging it back in.>>722221129berating your kid for crying and being scared of things instead of comforting them is typically considered abuse. yes.
i bit the bullet and been reading homestuck lately and it's giving me dark insight into toby fox and deltarune
>>722221256Maybe if she were crying over something understandable it would be bad but you should tell your kid to stop being a crybaby over dumb shit.
>>722200671Chapter 4 was a tone shift for the story. Things are about to get dark.
>>722221554wanna share your cursed knowledge with the rest of the class?
>>722221663i dont think i can put it into words but now more than ever i understand how this franchise spawned in hussie's basement
>>722219368you know what else is retarded? noelle. coincidence I THINK NOT
To be honest chapter 1 was barely complete, Chapter 2 was interesting, both 3 and 4 are filler+exposition and "foreshadowing", and now 5 will finally start getting into the climax and ending. 2 >>>1=3=4There's only so many ways you can literally obscure basic facts of the lore and story in order to create "twists" or "big revelations". Shit's gay
>>722221490we've never proven the existence of Ralsei's penis
>>722221954but we know that ralsei is 12 inchesso surely he must have one
>>722200671I know it's might be too early, but I'm just going to say it. Deltarune peaked with chapter 2. Spamton was a lighting in a bottle moment that chapters 3 & 4 couldn't recapture. Chapter 3 was pointless filler and chapter 4, while being a bit more interesting, wasn't good enough to justify the long ass wait. I'm hoping the future chapter will be better, but these two stinkers fill me with doubt.
>>722222050the game as a whole has suffered from the splintered release schedule iirc the original plan was 2-5, then 3-5, and now it's 3 & 4 with 5 later3 being effectively a filler chapter until the ending does not help the current pacing, and ch4 being almost entirely build up to ch5 also makes the stalling even worse i know toby is a perfectionist, but it's insanity that ch5 has been actively being worked on since 2022 and still is at least a year away from completion when it's been in full focus since mid 2024i do not have high hopes for 6 and 7 being released this decade
>>722200671Still alive huh?>>722222050Maybe for a while (Like for at least 5 more years)Until we finally get results of our actions
>>722222028I still can't believe that meme made it into the game.
>>722222050Are you guys ready for Deltarune's very own Hivebent in act, I mean, chapter 5?
>>722200671I have not played Undertale and know almost nothing about Deltarune. Is "I want to fuck the deer" a valid opinion in the Deltarune community? Thanks.
>>722224419You definitely have a good taste and healthy appreciation of mature women.
>>722224649I mean, he could like the other blonde deer
>>722222050Agree unironically, unless Toby has something hidden in his back pocket (which he might usually the biggest reveals and moments happen towards the end anyways) its gonna be downhill from here.
>>722224908Impossible, even her mother doesn't likes her.
>>722200671i know you are baiting but holy shit is so fucking bad
>>722200671ch 3 doesn't have gay turtle sex
Do you remember when people used to hate chapter 2, saying that it completely destroyed the dark and melancholic tone of the first chapter?
>>722225473i STILL see people saying that sometimesor at least a more general "i miss ch1's dark moodiness" kinda thing
>>722225473Spamton NEO's pacifist fight feels like a mix of melancholy, desperation, and insanity to me, especially around the part where the freedom motif kicks in.
>>722225473yesi still like the tone of ch1 better like >>722225565says but spamton stole the showi think ch4 is a move back to the more ambient and uncertain tone by the end but we'll have to wait and see with ch5
>>722225565Yeah, but at certain points prior to June it felt like it was either a commonly accepted opinion here, or at least a very vocal minority that drowned everyone else.
I will not stop until you acknowledge my theory that Ralsei is Asriel's dead twin brother reanimated as Darkner.
How did Susie lose to her?
>>722221490Everybody but Susie can wear them. It's another hint she's not the second hero.
Even as a huge chapter 3 enjoyer who's replayed it way more than 4, Chapter 3 coming out on its own would've been complete dogshit>shelter cliffhanger that goes absolutely nowhere in chapter 4, reinforces the retards who think toby only writes LE SUBVERSIONs because it would've felt more like a huge slap in the face if you had 2 years of chapter 4 shelter theories leading up to it>no traditional secret boss or even any "freedom" leitmotif uses>mike doesn't get explained (and there's no chapter 4 to tell us it was a nothingburger)>no weird route differences at all besides like 2 extra lines from eram>insert every other complaint people had about chapter 3 like "filler" or "tenna is just spamton 2" but imagine it without chapter 4 being available right afterToby was DEFINITELY right to hold onto it until 4 was done
>>722229723Well, to be fair, so far the only cliffhanger that wasn't a complete bullshit was in chapter 2. We've yet to see if anything comes out of chapter 4, but there is so many ways it could go wrong, and not in a good way.
>>722229723>toby only writes LE SUBVERSIONsYou have to remember this was all supposed to be released in a single, complete package. The game wasn't designed to be released piece by piece and what would seem normal in a single playthrough will come across as LE SUBVERSION because you've been waiting years for each chapter and all have these expectations from schizo theories and shit.
>>722200671I personally liked chapter 4 and disliked 3 way more due to Extremely shit replayability Id personally say 2>4>1>3
>>722231923No, when rewriting he clearly designed with the episodic release in mind. There'd be no reason for all these stupid cliffhangers otherwise.
>>722200671Rape carried it desu, sounds like you didn't do the chapter in the intended way
>>722232010You're objectively wrong, the plan was to tease the public with chapter 1, and then release it as a whole, complete product when it was finishedOf course that never happened due to a variety of factors (Toby being unrealistic as a solodev, Covid) that caused him to release chapter 2 when he did likely due to the fact he had a hunch things weren't going to go smoothly.
>>722200671Because it set up a bunch of cool shit and secured Susie's place as best girl.Also the Dark Sanctuary leitmotif might be the best in the series so far.
I just want them to be together.
>>722208349He probably did something that caused Dess a great amount of grief.
>>722225778>Ralsei is a reanimated TogoreTruly riveting theory crafting this morning
>>722227905Not putting out.
>>722224419The milf, the rapist or the raped?
>>722220145Rudy kept her in check.
>>722233698>the rapedKris is not a deer though
>>722220164Toriel and Asgore did kind of fuck up with Chara though. Either by not noticiting the warning signs or by calling her the messiah.
>>722232582Next chapter Ralsei becomes a real boy with the help of Susie
>>722233771He made the right choice
>>722233816I dunno... he always seemed to have deer in headlights eyes when Dess is around...
>>722233816>You will never have a childhood friend to prank yet also deeply care about you.
Asgore if he human
>>722234025Don't tell me we're gonna have 'Asgore is based on a IRL cuckold' theories now... NOW THERE'S TWO OF THEM GODDAMMIT
>>722233895Why does this make my shot the big shot?
I like this game so far but I do think that it's not good making the absolute best content hiddenCh2 without snowgrave can be uninteresting, it's especially lackluster if you skip spamtonCh3 without the sword route doesn't get interesting until the endCh4 I feel like you absolutely need to do the Gerson battle to give Susie's mini arc more weight
>>722235081I completely missed all the extra content in chapter 3 on release (I fell for "S ranks aren't necessary" bullshit), but at least I got Gerson all on my own. You won't believe how cathartic it was to beat him after I played the game for ten hours straight after having a hour of sleep that day.
>>722200671>troondertaleYou have to be 18+ and straight to post on this website
>>722221421Frisk's original beta design also wore the ribbon BTW.
>>722235412Still can't tell whenever getting a S rank on the second board but not the first during my first playthrough was a good thing or not. But I sure won't ever forget the feeling I got when pic related happened.
>>722235081Chapter 3 needs the sword route because the contrast of happy tenna times with the disturbing prophecy that you will kill Kris just to see what secrets the game has is great but overdose you just overload on goofiness
>>722235607I just felt cheated.
>>722235586hero, huh...
>>722235412There's no checkpoints for ch3's shit so you gotta do the whole segments if you miss the s rank sadlyI think they're pretty close to free if you get the extra picture and key
>inb4 Kris was indeed meant to be the girl>but their little conspiracy plan with the Knight/Carol/whoever allowed them to become the cage instead
>>722236261This is the new “Dess is a human” retard theory of the month
>>722207052i would call it just bait, except for the fact that jannies think like this
>>722235884I like some of the art using that design desu.
>>722235081I think chapter 2 still holds up without Spamtom. Chapter 3 less so, and chapter 4 does really benefit from giving Susie's arc a more satisfying payoff.
>>722236387I just find it funny that Frisk's legs were already uneven back then.
>>722212813world revolving >>> big shot
>>722235630I will kill Kris because he deserves it.
>>722236751He probably wants to die
>>722236995Good, then everybody gets what they want. It's like Chara, minus the part where Asriel chickens out.
>>722236510I think it's just something intentional since even the Vessel has a gag about it.
>>722233894>great art>but there's an anachronismIt annoys me more than it should. I love the artist's young carol stuff, but even if Deltarune was set in the present day, she'd still be too old to be a 2000s rebel kid.
>>722237059How did 90-80's rebel kids look?
>>722210219I can't imagine someone walking away from Chapters 3 and 4 thinking, "There needs to be more mechanics."
>>722210219From a difficulty perspective the game is just generally rather forgiving. The bullet patterns are fine, you mostly just need to tweak everything else.I have quite a few cool idea for gimmicks for my fangame, but even then the main way I intend to make the game more difficult is just by giving you difficult patterns and being less forgiving.
>>722236670WRONG
>>722216223>the music was forgettableThe tracks with constantly shifting rare time signatures and a fleshed out spookytunes are forgettable?>The climbing felt so linear and scriptedThere are secrets and I've seen people fail them.>every battle that isn't Tenna is below mediocreEveryone I see play the game loves the Shuttah and Knight fights, and everyone cracks up at Rouxls's laser pointer.
Why is the fanbase pure cancer
>>722236342Wonder what the next one some dumbass spergs will cling to next
Did he deserve it?
>>722238045Chara is Kris.
>>722238176Yes? He's like sixteen. His mother is going to move on. He needs to stop being such a baby.
>>722204108people still ended up glazing over her flaws, particularly how harsh she was on asgore. im not surprised he decided to show more of her and sans' flaws in dr just so his dumb fans get it
>>722238265Kris is already AU Chara and that theory existed since Chapter 1.
>>722239291I mean as in he's LITERALLY Chara.
>not beating the femkris allegations
>>722240152Dess forcing Kris to dress up and pretend they work as a maid.
>>722238176Should have been a better THEM, Sans is entitled to Hag goat pussy whether Kris likes it or not
>>722240370Sans is entitled to take Kris's virginity.
>>722240416Kris isn't chubby enough for Sans
>>722240416Sans is a sadist, he gets off on Kris's suffering more than if he actually raped him
>>722238176Asgore and Alphys will take custody soon
>>722240668Asgore will be going to the loony bim.
>>722240668>Alpyhs>Taking custodyKris will literally murder her before they let that happen.
Sans is trolling Kris because he knows Kris is up to some shit and would very much like it if he stopped
>>722240921Sans is Agent Cooper.
>>722241026And Dess is a blatant Laura Palmer expy. Are there any other connections that could be made between DR and Twin Peaks?
>>722240668Wow, you conjured up a worse hell for Kris than the one he's in now.
>>722236670CORRECT
>>722241395Nothing major, I guess. Though spamton does kind of look like one of the people in the velvet room and the weird route has some similarities to the soul corrupting Noelle.
>>722225473Seeing people go from shitting on it for being derivative of chapter 1, bitching endlessly about the three robots, bitching about Noelle, and thinking the supporting cast was overall more annoying to endlessly glazing it was weird. Personally think its the weakest chapter. Spamton and snowgrave were great, but other than that it's a pretty ass chapter in general and the one I had the least fun with when I replayed them all when 3+4 released.
>>722238176Shouldn’t have trapped by wife in the rape bunker
>>722200671Jackenstein is the start of the homestuckification of Deltarune. Why does he have very apparent nipples on his design where he's supposed to have a skull body, as a jack o lantern????? I agree it was just lore dump, climbing, puzzles and joke fights while toby refuses to give any new info, just new mysteries
>>722218768>since undertale toriel is a different character from deltarune torielIs she? So far Deltarune has done a pretty solid job showing that the characters are the same people just in a new setting. There hasn't being any massive character differences.The biggest potential difference is Asgore not being a child murderer, with nothing to imply that it's not merely because he wasn't even the same situation and even then "controversial character action" has still managed to be a big character defining trait. It's just with deltarune we don't know what it is he's done.
>>722242409Is this a troll post?
>>722242408She shouldn’t have jobbed
>>722242480He's a police chief, so it's pretty obvious what his big controversial action was.
>>722242101Yeah, I agree. The most fun I had with it was the Punch Out segments
>>722242101I like the section with Noelle and Kris a lot. No, not even Snowgrave. Just seeing them interact normally felt so natural. Palace is also a lot of fun.
>>722242741But there are no black people in deltarune.
>>722221663nta, but the chess theming in chapter 1 is very homestuck.
>>722203406>we now see how Toriel acts casually>a Froggit mentions how some humans stayed with her "for a long time"How much do you want to bet one of those humans was railing Toriel for decades?
>>722243484Dess had dark fur, that was good enough.
>>722243484Anymore
>>722200671Sounds like art blindness or autism. Chapter 4 is great because of its atmospheric setting and music and the meaningful script. It's a chapter that's reliant on emotion more than measurable gameplay qualities.
>>722237137We get plenty of 1 off mini games Actual battles generally sometimes have minigame acts, but generally are pretty basic. Undertale quickly introduced orange and blue colored bullets to help avoid this. At this point I'd expected something similar, or we at least get new spells to use
>>722237621It's handcrafted for autistic fandom dwellers, it's also the prime place for Homestuck refugees to go
>>722243820Deltarune's combat is worse in the sense you will only ever interact with normal bullets. The patterns are miles better but removing the orange and blue takes a ton of depth out of the game
>>722242101It's mainly the robots and the segment where Susie, Ralsei and Noelle were all together that felt like fillerThe robots I don't need to explain, the other part where we get a 4 person party squandered lots of potential for interactions between them since Ralsei just became a super passive character to make way for Noelle staring at Susie's ass
>>722243625>human left her anyways and got himself killedshe’s lucky asgore stuck around as long as he did.
Why the fuck was there a Bibliox on chapter 3?
>>722244151the book of hymns on the table by the couch
>>722244192...oh. Yeah, that makes sense.
>>722244151wait what, there was?
>>722244294Egg quest.
>>722243484Not after Asgore took care of them, yes.
>>722244321oh righti never did it because it was too convoluted
Ramb.
>>722243815>atmospheric settingLike 90% of it is spent in the dark or climbing up shit.
>>722244836neither of those negate what he said
>>722202051I dislike 3 because it feels like it dragged on for too long
How long until ch5? Surely I can't be that far off now with all the quirks of the engine ironed out.
>>722223234It's in the game? Where?>>722224419Yes. It's very /k/-coded
>>722245420We both know there's no way we will get it before 10/31 or 12/25.
The Chapter 4 NPCs in the Dark World (besides Gerson) all felt like nothing, which is where I think it went wrong for me. There were paper cups or something, I think. And the guys who turned into statues and the reverse, but those felt pointless. 1-3 all felt much better to me in that regard.
>>7222457123 has barely any NPCs, either. I have no idea why Toby decided to make Dark Worlds so empty after Chapter 2.
>>722245439Debug room for chapter 3Specifically the Ralsei is 12 inches and getting bigger meme.Like how chapter 2 got updated with a reference to the Ralsei bimbo meme from years and years ago.
>>722232582same
>ch1Haha susie funny, lancer funny, roolz funny>ch2Haha queen funny, noelle funny, berdly funny, spangton funny>ch3Haha ramb, haha tenna funny, >ch4Gerson funny? Jackenstein funny.
Started reading mspaint adventures. Are you fucking kidding me.
>>722234078Nah, Asgore is based on a Fangamer Cool Guy
>>722249139I don't think comedy should be the main factor that decides a chapter's quality
>>722249139gerson is literally the funniest character in the game so far
>>722249519>Weird route fags confirmed for flat
> Chapter 5 > YOU will play the wingman for Susie and Noelle > YOU will do everything possible to make sure they'll have the best date ever > Meanwhile Kris, is having the biggest evil Incel breakdown, as he's forced to pair his cute doe soulmate with his new dino crush > Kris once again ditches YOU> Throws a massive fit > Gets defeated > Asgore comes over to him to calm him down> "Kris...I understand you, but we must be better men...and monsters"> Chapter 5 ends with Susie and Noelle kissing > You rejoin Kris > (You feel like you're a better man now)
>>722249780If im not experiencing joy then its a waste of time
>>722250227>Kris>manLooks like you have outsmarted yourself.
>>722250786the CREATOR of MANCOUNTRY...
>>722250227Nah, I think imma alt+f4
>>722250786Why would you out yourself as a tranny faggot like that?
I'm one of the devs working on delatrune.Only thing I can tell you is that chapter 5 meme reference will be Kris and Susie acting like Beavis and Butt-Head.
>>722251052
>>722251052Can't believe those two will be the ones to set Asgore's store on fire.
>>722251052I've never seen a meme like that.
>>722251052Get back to work assmuncher
>>722250852Um... it says non-men are also allowed, chud!
>>722251136I can even tell you it's going to MOST likely play in the release version. > Chapter 5 Festival Segment > Kris, Susie and Noelle together > They have a short discussion about music and bands > Susie: "So uh, there's this cool song..."> "But I forgot how it's called!" > "But it goes kinda like this! > "Da da da darara dararara Ra Ra Ra! *With Kris and Susie pretending to play guitar* > Noelle: O-oh! I actually know this song! It's called Metal Man!
will he stop being a meme character
So is it weird to anyone else but me that the whole Susie Noelle thing only really goes anywhere on the weird route?
>>722250916>he doesn't knows about necessary precautions against lesbian curse>he never heard about plausible deniability
>>722251303It's only so they can be jealous that they will never experience the joys of manhood
>>722251546Still proud of predicting that Kerdlyfags are going to eat shit because "Breeze under my wings" line will not even be aimed at Kris (though it worked out even better than I expected).
>>722250227I'm still convinced that after the ending of Chapter 4, we're gonna wake up to Sans forcing us to take Papyrus to the festival. And he's going to completely destroy everyone's mood by being a blackpilled neet in this universe.Which may or may not lead to Susie feeling bad for him since he's also a friendless outcast.
>>722251551Those necessary precautions suck because Suselle will probably still happen unless Kris is the "shy girl".
>>722251986Can't happen, in UT Papyrus says he never saw sun before, so at no point in Delatrune will he ever appear in light world.
>>722252363UNLESS people's speculation is right, and the festival is actually at night time.
>normal deltarune threads get janny'd>threads being negative about deltarune don't (even if the actual posts in the thread are normal discussion)i'm nooticing...
>>722251986Oh yeah, Papyrus is a thing in Deltarune. Honestly, I hope he doesn't even make an appearance. I'd rather spend more time with new characters
>>722253007I'm pretty sure the guy that gets mad if you say he's being a faggot for spamming pictures of Chara is asleep and nobody has really talked about Yagi so the thread is safe.
>>722250227Kris wants Noelle and Susie to be together since he intends to kill himself.
>>722253214I am a humanfag and I am awake. The Chara hater seems to be asleep, though.
>>722253007That's just how it is. Although we do have bad posts like Yagischizo who really tries to force his meme being /vg/esque, but outside of that the thread is fine.
>>722253789Are we talking the guy that gets mad about people talking about Yagi, or are we talking the multiple people who are aware of Yagi?
>>722254197I am talking about you, the guy who is trying to force this narrative of jannies censoring people that talk about this kid or bringing him out of nowhere in the thread.
>>722254718Nigga what?
>>722255060Switch the text around
>>722254972>Playing dumb when he posted "le jannies censor yagi" two posts above.
>>722255060What characters rival Sans in being misunderstood?
>>722255229My issue is you're saying I'm "The Guy" when we know there's several.I'm not saying I'm not >>722253214.
>>722255394You're "the guy" because out of all the Yagischizos you always say the same thing like a ritual poster.
>>722255270Chara, Frisk... Alphys? Asgore? Papyrus? Kris? There's a lot of them.
>>722255534>It's ritual posting to remember things for more than a day or read stuff that's in the thread you're already in>Yeah there's more than one person that knows but you're the Yagiest Yagi SchizoYou're dumb.
>>722255060>>722255138Canon Sans is like>I love alcoholic single mothers with fat asses
>>722255693>Alphys>AsgoreI feel people just dislike them, less that they are misunderstood.>PapyrusEh... People sometimes miss their hidden depths but otherwise I would say people do pretty well.>KrisDon't know enough to 100% judge that.
>>722255716Okay, Yagiest Yagi schizo.
>>722255779Toriel, then? I feel like lots of anons here don't get her.
>>722255981Pretty sure that title goes to the guy that wants to get fucked by him, or that one guy who admitted to calling everyone the same dude.
>>722256161It's your title now. CONGRATULATIONS!!!!
>>722256047People tend to get the motherly aspect of her but often struggle with balancing her being a flawed person with her still being a good mother.
>>722256161No, I think it's still you, the guy who keeps repeating the same things and bringing up this off-topic shit unprompted the most. Literally nothing stops you from not bringing this shit up other than your desire to be an attention whore.
what do you expect from assriel?
>>722256654I expect him to mostly be a good older brother who is largely what he seems
>>722256654For him to not show up in person until after the game's already done. He might be important in the backstory depending on how many schizo theories are right, but the story itself isn't about him.
>>722256654A cool guy that acts as a rock to Kris. Either that or the Knight/related to it. No in-between.
>>722256562It's not unprompted, the jannies nuked the threads the past couple times in a period of less than a day and it usually immediately followed someone talking about you know who. Me personally I wish there was more to talk about besides what little scraps are left in the news letter.Or a wheaty room that may be in chapter 5 according to the egg man.
>>722256876>The story isn't about himIt's about Dess and Asriel probably played a huge roll in her life.
>>722257027It is unprompted because it's unrelated to Deltarune. You claim it is but you have no proof, and as long as you have no proof it's just you trying to brute-force an off-topic obsession of yours.Again, nothing stops you from not bringing it up except yourself.
>>722257215Read the words and comprehend their meaning.
>>722257267The Ralsei based on a dead kid thing was charming until it started involving real people and this schizo started with his conspiracy victim complex theory. It grew obnoxious FAST.
>>722256654There is literally no chance that he won't look like AGoHD. Toby loves that design as much as everyone else, and Asriel considered really hot in DR universe.
>>722257267>It is unprompted because it's unrelated to Deltarune.It kind of is>You claim it is but you have no proofThere's like a whole laundry list of weird coincidences you keep pretending don't exist>Just you trying to brute-force an off-topic obsession of yoursI don't really care too much unless someone brings more information back. I only care in so far as that the jannies nuke the threads over people talking about it, and I will do anything to annoy the shit out of jannies.They deserve it for effectively banning a game from being discussed the day it came out, filling the catalog with shilling, and banning all the people that make cool pictures (without AI).
>>722245420Sorry anon, he has to make the localization perfect for Japan and Japan ONLY
>>722257827>I don't really care too muchYes you do because you keep bringing it up. You are physically incapable of not bringing it up. You will always find a way of bringing it up.
>>722257887We are having a conversation you human brick, no fucking DUH I'm still talking about it.
>>722257721>The Ralsei based on a dead kid thing was charmingIt really wasn't. It was on the level of the "some lady owned the rights" faggot. Complete nonsense getting repeated over and over.
>>722256654I don't know what to expect, but I hope for this ending:>people of Hometown gather in the diner waiting for Asriel's arrival>everyone is still at each other's throats but they are trying to put on fake smiles>suddenly Kris receives a phone call>he pulls Susie by the jacket sleeve and nods towards the door>"Yeah, we just go get some fresh air, guys, be right back">they walk out and there's Asriel standing next to his car>he opens door, they jump in and all three of them drive away into sunset >credits roll
>>722257860Based Toby prioritizing his GOOD fans.
>>722258019I still want the SMT nocturne freedom ending.
it's been a few days since I've been, this fag is STILL going on about his decade old tumblr drama?
>>722257945Yeah, but at least wasn't as obnoxious as this new Yagischizo spam. It was just one post among hundreds. Now it's always "JANNIES ARE CENSORING ME FOR TALKING ABOUT A RANDOM KID" schizo bullshit.
>>722257936No, you weren't having a conversation. Someone said something about jannies and you immediately took the opportunity to make it about your forced meme.
>>722258027Is this image implying Chara reincarnated as Toby Fox?
>>722258119Yes. Better to just filter Yagi.
>>722258179Japs predicted he was a Charafag confirmed.
>>722258173We're having a conversation, right now, because someone was speculating on why the jannies aren't nuking the thread right now. As far as "forcing a meme" you've spent this whole conversation trying to suggest I'm the sole yaggot that ever posts even though just a couple days ago we established more than one exists, something brought up in this fucking thread.I don't even consider myself one, I don't think anyone should bother the kid, but that doesn't also mean I'm not going to pay attention to the circumstances surrounding when Jannies delete threads about games I'm in and interested in.You're making a bigger deal out of this than I am.
>>722257860What the fuck is so great about Japan anyway, why do westerners glaze it so much. I like anime and manga as much as the next guy but come on.
>>722259273Specifically in Deltarune/Undertale's case your odds of a fan having actually played the game go way up if you're over there.
>>722259273Actual culture that isn't lame like European culture or too foreign like Chinese culture.
>>722259273Just look at the Deltarune fanbase itself. Look at the jap fans. Then look at all of the english speaking fans. Even the ones that are actually some backwater third world country, as long as they're fluent in english they are inevitably pestilent in their being.
What the fuck is yagi?
>>722259273They draw good art that doesn't make characters into ugly brown blobs.
>>722259438Some kid that a new thread schizo is obsessed with and REALLY trying to force it as a meme of jannies being against it.
>>722259438just filter it, it's spam
>>722259352>European culture>lamewell, maybe in the very specific field of video games, but in every other measure it's strictly superiorit is a bit unfair to compare an entire continent with one country, though
>>722249139CH4 swaps out most of the funny for Cool
>>722259438Some kid people thought was dead who really wasn't and had a bunch of really weird specific details line up with the release of Deltarune and the design of Ralsei.It was a joke for like 5 years but then it turned out to be real, which probably broke some people and is why despite having a direct line to him apparently nobody's actually gone and asked.
>>722258019Based "Kris and Susie leave Town Ending" EnjoyerMy personal version is that Asgore gets an insurance check for Flower King burning down and having moved on decides to open up a new flower shop in the city where Asriel is going to college, to which Kris and Susie (because her own family doesn't care about her) decide to catch a ride, and the last scene has the Burgentruck driving though town with a reprisal of Beginning playing.
>>722200671I'm not saying you have to like 4 but putting any chapter below 1 is insane
>>722260251Dess milk.
>>722261004I don't know, I think chapter 1 could be above the bottom from time to time.
>>722200671>Jackenstein doesn't really redeem it eitherfuck off
>>722257860He knows that localization is in good hands in other countries, while yellow-faced zipperhead gooks can't be trusted to do anything properly.
>>722261004>>722261136Chapter 1 on its own in its nature as the intro act allowed people to come up with basically an entirely different deltarune more inline with late 90s/early 2000s style dark fairytale trends than the decidedly more 2010s type affair we got.And they have never been able to let that go.
>>722259462Counterpoint - their Krusie art sucks and completely misses the point. I can't even remember a Japanese image with Susie resting her chin on Kris' head.
>>722262038>while yellow-faced zipperhead gooksWhy are you so mean to Frisk Undertale?
>>722262163As a positive they don't have autistic shipping discussions like westfags do. These threads will be unusable post Chapter 5 because of it.
>>722262516Sounds too much like Vriska
>>722262682Holy booba.
>>722262618Yeah, no matter what happens you'll have sore winners and sore losers everywhere. Or all options will get blown up, and you'll have people screaming that the game is ruined.
>>722263137Nah, most shippers get along here, united in their shared hatred of Suselle. People will be fine with literally any option other than Suselle/Kerdly.
>>722263137From what I see from the Japanese fanbase they're very chill over shipping. Meanwhile on Xitter people kill each other over problematic shipping while these threads will be unusable if Suselle happens.
>>722262682Cannon size btw>Captcha: 8DDRA
>>722259273they only make the best media on the planet
>>722249139cup niggas funny, those wafer head guys funny, organikks funny>>722259326[citation needed]>>722259462>posts art making the characters generic anime blobs
>>722263472That's what I'm saying though. They're going to be the ones kicking up a storm. Either Suselle gets enough fuel to turn into a bonfire, or it gets shut down. There's no in between with these people.
>>722229723I think if people had to wait two years between Chapter 3's cliffhanger and then saw Susie eating pancakes when 4 eventually dropped there would have been riots. People would have started calling Toby a one-trick with no plans, comparing it endlessly to Chapter 1's end and 2's beginning. He made the right choice bundling 3 and 4, and I expect 5 is going to have a lot of thematic resolution (if not some narrative resolution) since 4 was meant as the middle of a trio of chapters released together.
>>722264040>[citation needed]Have you seen people discuss the game on the english speaking internet?Hell even just 4chan?
>>722263472>KerdlyPretty sure we got a couple people here shipping that, even if only because funny
>>722264117that's not a source retard
>>722264040choose your poison. generic anime blobs or purposely ugly fanart bc "representation matters" or whatever popular excuse
>>722264040>>posts art making the characters generic anime blobsPost your favorite Japanese kino art, then.
>>722264040>generic anime blobsits WAY better than turning everyone into not only pajeets but ugly ones, as western artist love to do
>>722264291>disingenuousWhy are you really here?
>>722264131I get the feeling Toby himself thinks Kerdly is hilarious. Don't be surprised if chapter 5 has more joke scenes with it.
>>722264424Berdly is a joke character, not like that is something bad, he makes things funPersonally i hope there is a dating option in the festival with him, with kris cringing on the inside
It feels good to be a winner
>>722264040>uses anime as a derogatory wordAh, I see the problem now.
>>722259273They really liked Undertale and Tony is a massive weeb. Kind of a bad look when you live in a country but don't have an official version for their language. Japs also can't into fan translation or piracy either. They'll send angry emails to devs demanding official translations rather than learn English or translate it themselves.
>>722264691>Lesbian story>1 must dress, look and act like a manGod i hate that tropeThe main point is to have 2 girls being cute/beautiful and lewd what is the point in trying to make one a man?
>>722264998Because it's yuri for the gays, and not anime style yuri for the male gaze.
>>722257819My ideal is a good-looking Hyperdeath Asriel with a goofy, scraggly blond stubble to dampen the look (and piss Toriel off)
>>722265096Being for gays turns them into a straight coupleThe iron-ee
>>722264991>Japs also can't into fan translationThe woman that created Hatoful Boyfriend made a translated playthrough for Undertale less than 6 months after it came out.
>>722264040>crying about animesharty
>>722265096homumado is as yuri for the gays as it gets and neither of those two are boyish in any way
>>722265285It's VERY ironic, but to be fair I dislike all types of yuri, even the "sexy" one.
>>722259273It's pretty much just anime, manga and Japanese games that cause the obsessionAlso I do think Japan is #2 in fandom size, so they should get some priority
>>722265482Who?
>>722266346
>>722265482It was/is very popularYuri can be so good in my opinion, but like everything it can be done so poorly>>722266346Pic related
>>722266482>>722266535>Hivemind
>>722266535>>722266482Holy fuck.
>>722266054>Also I do think Japan is #2 in fandom size, so they should get some priorityHonestly, I feel pretty bad for the early Korean fans. They even got an official translation back when only the demo existed and then Toby dropped them like a hot potato.
>>722266482>>722266535Magical girl mind.
You think Toby knows how most of his fans don’t actually give a shit about Suselle to the point where Noelle x CATTI was briefly popular as “the yuri ship”?
>>722266850Koreans smell like chese
>>722255270All of them. This fanbase is actually braindead
>>722267000i wonder how it feels to have most of your fans disregard the ship you supposedly like the most
If there’s one good thing about kris being “hecking non-binary” it’s watching r*dditors crucify susellefags for saying kriselle or Krusie is bad because it’s “straight washing”
>>722267000If the Mike fight is anything to go off of, Toby is definitely paying attention to the community. The real question is, does he care?
>/v/chuds: Toby is so based because he doesn't listen to fans and does what he wants>also /v/chuds: NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Stop making this dyke shit! They need to be straight so I can self-insert!
>>722267000We are the only people who actively hate Suselle. Based on the fact he shilled Alphyne and Alphys he doesn't care at all.
>>722267397>implying I would ever want to use a fucking traitor like kris as a self-insert
>>722256557>but often struggle with balancing her being a flawed person with her still being a good mother.that's getting the character and forming an opinion about itjust because you get the character doesn't means you have to like it
>>722203094shipfags will make pretty much anything about shipping
>>722267968Much the same as if you don't approve of a character doesn't mean you can't like it.
>>722259438DEVICE_FRIEND
>>722264415>buzzwordfuck off>>722264764>>722265427i said "generic anime" you illiterate retards
>>722268929yes i like noelle despite the retarded writing she has sometimes
>>722269705and what is "generic" to you
>>722269705>Pretending to be retardedThere, better?
>>722269705What would be non-generic, then?
>>722200671Chapter 4 is Krusiepilled, thats why its liked while chapter 2 is cringe due to Suselle and rapping robots
>>722200671Yeah, 4th is the weakestbesides annoying dungeon design, it doesn't help that the star of that episode is an oldfart boomer telling you to stop being poor and embrace a rich boomer mentality
>>722259273Toby is a japanophile. A weaboo and otaku in one. Its a main reason why people predict waifu routes in deltarune
>>722270808something other people have noticed is that a lot of the beloved kris/ susie scenes are optional that you have to go out of your way to see, while all the susie/ noelle stuff is mandatory to progressnot to mention that the kris/ susie stuff is much more emotionally intimate while in every suselle scene their closeness is usually involuntary for at least one party
>>722264691Suselle will never win
>>722271210If toby wanted suselle to happen he would pair Noelle with Susie for battle bonding in chapter 2 and forced Kris to fuck off with Ralsei. He would also not write Catti to discourage Suselle or make Alphys ship Krusie
>>722256654>Not appearingBecause he is leaving it to our "IMAGINATION!", just like papyrus, teasing but not delivering>FloweyJust to troll>Beta spriteHe seems to be rechecking his concepts with the 10th anniversary, so maybe>GoHDIf by a miracle he is feeling generous and gives the fandom a bone
>>722271210pssst let me tell you a secret. Susie and Ralsei have by far the most amount of scenes together, a lot of them are mandatory plot relevant and quite intimate, but people just memoryhole that shit
>>722272119i'm going to be real with you ralsus people i totally get why you're into it, but i cannot see them as anything more than good friends from their scenes in gamei just don't see anything romantic between the two of themit toby throws a curveball and they are the romance of the game then whatever, but if that's the case then ch5 better make that more clear
>>722271552Catti is a joke character Toby uses to make fun of his nitpickers.
>>722272572a lot of little moments in ch4 feel like they're just toby telling people to not expect anything from the rest of the classif ch4 released with with the ch 2-5 like originally intended i don't think the catti scene or the mike thing would exist
>>722272119Susie and Ralsei is unironically pretty based, unlike the rest of the ships, they are good for each other and have more physical contact than anyoneA problem is that Ralsei is a literal objectSo either susie would have to end trapped in the darkworld (ralsei would not approve) or susie hanging to an object and a broken heart, is not the kind of story tobby writes>>722272391susie is not crazy like noelle and ralsei is very open to hug people and be supportive, so it doesn't hit like romance, yes Susie blushing might be embarrassmentThe suselle scenes are romantic for noelle only, susie is just embarrassed Just like with Kris when she gets pulled close to himTLDR, we don't know what susie is feelingI agree with a perception of the fandom here that susie will end up with no one, as a good harem protagonist
>>722272391I could say the same about Krusie. Can't really see them as a couple, imo adding romance to their friendship would take away from the Nick & Lever dynamic they have now.The fact that a lot of these Krusie scenes are optional means that it likely won't happen, unless Toby suddenly starts pushing it hard in the next few chapters.
So do you think that the existence of the Black Shard and it's persistence in the light world is proof Ralsei is terrifyingly wrong about being "fake"?
>>722202051This. Chapter 3 was pure soul.
>>722273487we know that the two worlds have some influence on each other as if one overtakes the other the roaring/ angel's heaven happens everything around the knight seems like an anomaly though, the black shard and the shadow crystals seem like they're much more powerful than anyone realizes surely ralsei must know about them, but he hasn't commented on them yet
>>722273465>nick and leverbased, kris and susie absolutely could use some more looney toons nonsense
>>722272937Ch 3&4 had a change in tone becoming less omori likeSurely it was on purposeI do believe we were meant to play with everyone of the classroom initially, but with the long delays tobby changed his mind on how to develop the story
>>722273456I have a feeling that the plot is setting Ralsei up to become a ''real boy'', at least for a little while. Toby's old tweet makes me think that the flowers Asgore kept around will play a role in that.Either way my money's on Ralsei dying so we're getting romance tragedy kino at best.
>>722273456You are talking about a guy that outed himself as the biggest chasrielfag in existence. Even if his dick is more interested in bland yuri, it's obvious he really likes doomed romances.
>>722200671This but for the whole game and UT
>>722273907>Ch 3&4 had a change in tone becoming less omori likeYou say that but if anything the similarities became a bit more jarring. I legit wouldn't be surprised if we got a bittersweet scene of a Dess/Kris duet in the future...
>>722273907>I do believe we were meant to play with everyone of the classroom initiallyit made a lot of sense when we saw only up to chapter 2, to me personally because berdly randomly being more important than the rest seemed like such a massive curveball that i wouldn't be able to justify itlike i'd get if it was just noelle, because dess and all, but fucking berdly? never strikes you as any more relevant than someone like jockington, so i'd expect him and catti to also have DW segments since they have portraits and are known classmatesbut looking back at it, berdly did have way more "importance" , or well screen time, or dialogue time? whatever, as little as it was, in ch1 compared to the other classmates (besides noelle and susie ofc) but it could still be justified as "oh it's setup because he'll be in the DW next chapter"
>>722273713Ralsei would have to betray Kris to reveal anythingHe wont do that
>>722272119ralsus is a ship only real deltarune gamers can get, secondaries always latch to suselle/krisusie
>>722274567>Ralsei would have to betray Kris to reveal anythingThat would be cool character development actually. To prove he's finally willing to believe in Susie, he tells her the big shit.I want to see him grow a lot, but at the same time I believe that other anon who thinks he'll die in some hyper-tragic way.
>>722274653I think Kris and Noelle together are also pretty good, even if Krisellefags make it way too dramatic. Here's hoping for picrel
>>722274237>that outed himself as the biggest chasrielfag in existence.That stream really showed how based Toby actually is. If we excuse the Suselle teases, that is.
>>722274237There is a lot of hopelessness hanging alreadyKris will never "save" DessKris's parents will never heal their relationshipRudy will dieRalsei and the darkners will return to be objects (die)Susie will lose someone she had an attachment to (Either Ralsei or Kris eventually), if we have here romance, while it will hit harder, i wonder if tobby would commit to itThe world itself might be doomed from the startA good ending is literally>And everyone just moved on... somehow accepting their situation, *smiles and happy music*It requires more chapters than the ones tobby gave to himself to create enough development to present their stories, growth and a proper good endingFor the ending to feel good, it will have to be tragic, ironically also being the inverse of undertale where it ends with hopes and dreams>>722274346The game feels more conspiracy like in the newest chapters rather than "a kid dealing with loss"The parallel between mary and dess will still be there tho>>722274393Yeah for that reason people were expecting catti and jockington, maybe tobby abandoned the idea mid Ch2 when he thought of his cliffhanger ending, he clearly has problems focusing
>>722270053...that's not undertale fanart>>722270542that isn't genericbut nor is representative of the majority of japanese ut/dr output
>>722274929Reconnecting with the childhood friend is a classic for a reason, it got dramatic because the story got dramatic, the player adding pressure does a lot for the setting
>>722267000I think he's setting it up for failure. Like, in the story.With that said, if Toby is based enough to have who Kris ends up with depend on your choices ...
>>722276836You just sound like a bitch.
>>722276190It think the ending is gonna have a ''what was even the point'' sort of feeling. The gang saves the world but the dark world will have to be closed for good to maintain balance and the main characters will go about their lives without anyone knowing what they did.
>>722277034i just want to know how kris actually feels about noelle with noelle i think she just wants him back in her life, whether as a friend or something more
>>722277179>The gang saves the world but the dark world will have to be closed for goodNah the prophecy explictly frames it in a way where BOTH worlds must be saved. Add in the fact the game seems to be bulilding up to disprove Ralsei's own notions that the dark world is irrelevant.LIGHT and DARK are inherently equal I think. The balance is important.
>>722273465Toby was inspired by Crono and Marle as well s Naruto and Sasuke when writing Susie and Kris. Its very likely going to be optional romantic or platonic depending on choices
>>722277283Kris seems to care enough to be actively protecting her, that's something, but yesWe need a lot of development
>>722277387I like when Ralsei is a good size for picking up and holding.
>>722274237>Even if his dick is more interested in bland yuri, it's obvious he really likes doomed romances.To be fair, Alphys and Undyne counts as that. Alphys offs herself in like 80% of the neutral endings. Undyne goes full "Alphys forgive me..." when you kill her. Undyne goes off the deep end and will probably end up doing something VERY stupid when she becomes queen.
>>722277632>Noelle subcounsiously obsessed with Kris>Susie completely Krispilled, forgets Noelle exist and openly cucks her in some events>Toby: I hope people love Suselle as the new AlphysxUndyne heheIs Toby retarded or openly hyping it to subvert it and piss off yuriniggers?
>>722277540What's this from?
>>722278068I genuinely hate this fake ai slop toby so much.
>>722277283Kris probably cares about Noelle but is also way too riddled with guilt and possible suicide plans to keep her close to him.He wants Noelle to remain pure and unruined and you ruined that in the Weird route.
>>722278068piss off?
>>722277179A loop ending is not out of the tableOriginally i remember that we overwrite Kris savefile, but it got patched out, maybe as a "surprise">''what was even the point'' sort of feelingFor the main ending its very clear we will see the room we filled with shit in the light worldThe point should be personal growth of the characters, they becoming better after everything they went troughBut it might be rushed like susie going from a murderous bully to a goofball in the same chapter>>722277540The prophecy is a weird thingIs this inevitable thing looming thing that must be fought, yet is so vagueIf anything the dark world "can exist" as long as people believe in it or something, it doesn't specify how balance is achieved, only that when there is too much of it, it summons titans
>>722276190>For the ending to feel good, it will have to be tragic, ironically also being the inverse of undertale where it ends with hopes and dreamsIronic considering how many fics focus on bringing back asriel.
>>722278123honestly i think aborted weird route might be best for the two of them (if berdly recovers)noelle spilling her guts out to kris and then him bolting out of her room with her is pretty kino
>>722278172>but it got patched out, maybe as a "surprise"Wait really? Last time I checked (around a week or so before the release of chapters 3+4), you still overwrote Kris' savefile during your first playthrough.
>>722278068He's hyping it up as a red herring.Hell, the entire point of the quote that people are claiming as evidence of the total Suselle victory is basically "Susie just wants to relax". She is in no place for romance right now.
>>722277996Depending on what happens with Susie and Noelle, you can say Suselle is this as well. Especially with that concept art in Snowdin of a dragon fighting an angel deer.
>>722278235I've been trying to find a averted snowgrave fic where the two fuck, hard, after bolting from the room. But, yeah, it is funny how Noelle figures out how much kris cares about her only in aborted snowgrave so far.
>>722278135Kris is a boy. Its okay now. You dont have to pretend that he;s non binary or a girl anymore. Wokeness is dead and even EA was bought by Saudi Arabia
>>722278068Tobby loves to subvertHe might even try to subvert the subversion>Yeah she loves kris like lost familyIts an uneasy feeling, to have so much to hang on and to expect nothing to stand
>>722278413Susie and Noelle are both heading to a crashout. I really, REALLY doubt either will die in the normal route though.
>>722278446honestly that probably makes her love him even more, that he went to such lengths to try to protect her from some unknowable danger
>>722278519I really hope Noelle thinks Kris actually hates her at some point in the normal route.
>>722277095no, i just have taste and don't worship the japanese fandom based on no evidence
>>722278475i grew up with games like corpse party anoni can accept the possibility of yuri if it's at least as good as seiko and naomi (which suselle is not even close to)
>>722278335Was there any Suselle victory? I didn't notice anyone claiming it won on twatter this entire week
>>722278172>it doesn't specify how balance is achieved, only that when there is too much of it, it summons titansA bit of a weird notion, but I've never seen people discuss a possible inversion of that. We've seen what happens when things get Darker than Dark... but what happens when things get Lighter than Light?>Wtf are you talking about, how would that even happen?...Good question and I don't honestly know. My biggest guess would be abusing the SOUL's sealing power. Maybe instead of having one SOUL seal a fountain, you have multiple, and as a result a inbalance is created with the other souls creating excess light.
>>722278321some r*ddit pic but i don't feel like starting a new gameI noticed when i began a pacifist weird route, just to see if in the future leads to anythingMaking the darkners and characters love you while messing with Kris
>>722276190Undertale had a decent amount of "even if you can't save their life, you can still save their soul" with both Asriel and Chara. Might repeat that with Dess.
>>722278193Being in emotional pain is also popular, hence why dramas are a thingEveryone dreams of the best outcome but that can't exist without a problem to begin with
>>722278689Bruh i was actually upset Seiko died while Naomi still longed for a cock. Toby WISH he would write it that way for viewer to actually care about Yuri. Which is why he must be actually pushing Krusie because he does very well bond Kris and Susie and give spicy ship teases in hidden scenes
>>722278997naomi is 100% seikopilled by the true endthe og ending of the pc98 game is naomi playing piano for satoshi, but in blood covered it's her confessing her love for seiko their chapter in book of shadows also implies that naomi also has a thing for seiko but is too emotionally unstable to properly process it at the time
>>722278885>with both Asriel and Chara.Ironic considering both are soulless.
>>722278770>I noticed when i began a pacifist weird route, just to see if in the future leads to anythingoh so you weren't starting on a clean profile
>>722278657Noelle will surely have her heart broken for a while in Ch5, thinking susie is into Kris as susie is offended by noelles attitude to kris, while feeling betrayed because she told kris how she felt about noelle, maybe blaming (you) for itSusie in the weird route, susie thinking kris is badmouthing her with noelle in their private time or that they don't want to be with her as (you) force them into a datethe game is building for confrontation
>>722278335It would be retarded to just ''confirm'' Suselle out of nowhere and spoil part of the story that you have been cooking up for OVER A DECADE but I wouldn't put it past him.
>>722277283>keeps looking at her during cyber city section>unused dialogue with Kris reassuring Noelle that they won't take too long in spamtons shop>gets jealous about Noelle mentioning berdly 's relation to the cactus and not how it's named after themseems to care about her alot
>>722279223Well i also hope Toby make Krusie canon outright and wont have to patch it in a remake game years later
>>722279424Did he actually confirm anything or people taking it out of context like him "correcting Kris pronouns" shit
>>722279309>susie is offended by noelles attitude to krisWas she? It has been a while since I replayed ch4 but wasn't Susie perfectly happy to play the guitar for her after that?
>>722278739That's interestingTo what i see, that leads to something meta, realityThe soul "sealing" hometown, would be just deleting the gameAs someone said before, we don't know in where the world stands in the balance of light and darknessThe player is something real in the game, so it is the absolute light, because it is real, hometown is real for the people inside it, but is not real for us, just like the dark world for them is interactable but can fade awayAnd goes with the themes of you need to hopes and dreams
>>722278661Okay, bitch-kun.
>>722279734yeah, anons don't get that susie's face in the dess room scene is just her being inquisitive throughout their conversation.
>>722278727The stream. Toby said Susie had a thing for a shy girl and implied Alphyne was just the start.
>>722279730He was comparing similarities between Susie and Undyne and mentioned that Susie cares a lot about her friends and maybe something about that one shy girl (supposedly Noelle). Something along those lines
>>722279273I deleted a file to start from chapter 1 to get the jevil's knife for the fight with the knight too>>722279734Her mood worsens as she dismisses her relationship with kris in the closet scene, i think that is build up
>>722279734I think that anon is taking his interpretation too far. But I do agree that Noelle will freak out when Susie goes after Kris to ride a Ferris wheel. Noelle is torn between her "pre Dess" self which was into Kris and "post Dess" where she tries to distance herself from Kris by becoming Susie's bitch. Seeing them both together will crush her as both of her sides get cucked at the same time.
>>722279921I always thought there will be Krusie, Kralsei and Kriselle routes based on Chapter 1-2 choices, so Suselle being a possibility in Kralsei route woudn't be weird and thats why Toby could suggest the possibility of it happening.
>>722279786That picture reminds me of the autism of AUs and that Underplayer AU. Funny how that was only the player insert AU back then but now everyone does that with the SOUL.
>>722279921Why wuld he even imply this cringe shit and do literally nothing to bond them in the game? Is he trying to actually make fans sick of yuri slop?
>>722279945>Her mood worsens as she dismisses her relationship with kris in the closet sceneCan't say I remember it that way, I thought it was because Noelle sort of invalidated her time spent with Susie in ch2 because it was ''forced''. Either way I ain't watching that dogshit again.I can't really get a read on Susie and how she actually feels about Noelle. She seems almost indifferent towards her outside of designated Suselle scenes.
>>722280284Toby IS a fan of the yurislop.
>>722280284The current theory is that Toby is great at writing compelling friendships but godawful at writing romance (see Alphys x Undyne). I don't know how that is possible but hey, what do I know?
>>722280412it really is weirdiirc she doesn't count her as one of her friends when talking about them in ch3 either, it's only kris, ralsei, lancer, and toriel
>>722279734Offended is probably overkill but it did very much show Noelle has a habit of undermining herself. Even ignoring any problems with Kris, she underminded herself.
>>722280249It is the underplayerThere were some pics of us manipulating chara as chara manipulated frisk but yeah it was unpopular, despite that the lack of the player in the story made frisk and chara obsessive for something they shouldn't beThe player existing in UT is dark for the happy story that everyone tries to protect, in ut now is taken as a side note, the red heart representing the playerBut since deltarune makes it very clear that the player is an entity, a way to have a dark picture with kris shaken upI think its cool, for that to be so blatant
>>722280748>Alphys x UndyneI honestly think is fine...
>>722280412>I can't really get a read on Susie and how she actually feels about Noelle. She seems almost indifferent towards her outside of designated Suselle scenes.She clearly likes the positive attention from Susie and seems to enjoy playing the hero to her. But she's also a bit... unsure of how to handle her. The idea that she has a crush on her would literally never cross her mind. She does seem to want to befriend her and seems to have some degree of fondness for her, but she clearly doesn't feel comfortable calling themselves friends.
>>722281396*Likes the positive attention from Noelle.
>>722281263It's tolerable since they at least have history together as well as hints throughout the game if you pay attention.
Daily reminder Robert "Toby" Fox said he wanted more gay representation in games in his personal blog.
>>722281589Which he got.
>>722280412>>722280965just watched it again, yeah its an overkill seeing it is so weird, its so full of bait>yes, no, yes, no, yes, nowe'll have to see how tobby deals with it
>>722281236Yeah, Underplayer. The player design was cute enough despite just being Chara with a dress. Although personally I don't like a player self-insert in a fanwork. Most often then not it's just the author's self-insert or le generic cosmic horror.
>>722281935Try and remember that, on average, you aren't actually meant to pay attention to the scene. The whole point is to get the guitar and presumably Toby expected players would focus on that and not the gay couple.That's why I think it is significant. Not to the point of showing Susie will get angry on Kris behalf, but it does highlight to the more observant player that Noelle has a habit of saying things that undermine herself and is still very much struggling with her feelings regarding Kris.
>>722281263At least in concept, it has enough elements to be compelling.Pair of dorky weirdos with matching eccentricities, hints of angst due to how they met, the fact that they are surprisingly good at taking care of each other, etc.I miss ship manifestos. Those rants were really useful for figuring out why people liked a certain pairing.
>>722282040I kind of have a soft spot for the player stand in being literally the heart though.
>>722282454>The whole point is to get the guitar and presumably Toby expected players would focus on that and not the gay couple.he really underestimates how autistic the majority of the fandom is
>The Knight has Friend's laughWhat do it mean?
