Objective boss ranking edition
>7 years>nothing in silksong matches this kinowhat went wrong?
>2 collision damage>teleports on top of you
>>722210335See that's a good point, and a lot of games have variations of that issue. Using new gear isn't fun when it's objectively worse than your current gear. WTF devs?
>>722210275wait for the DLC, path of pain wasn't in base Hollow Knight
>>722210105zango is boring, it takes a couple of hits from the extraction tool, "boss" made to be a lore prop.
>>722210105gotta put pinstress in bottom tier
>>722210665It all makes sense when you realize she's a Stillkin.
Is there any reason to flip the lever that releases the vaultborns?
>>722210780free rosaries
Where am I supposed to farm rosaries for act 2I need like almost 3000 for these shops and I need like a really good spot
>>722210665She's like a more boring combination of Second Sentinel and Lace. I don't really get why everyone seems to hate her, but yeah it would be nice if the supposed pinmaster made for a more interesting fight.
>>722210972The hallway with these big dudes. Equip the thief charm that gives extra rosaries and they give you 55 each. There are benches on either side of the hall so one run is 440 beads + however many the pilgrims give you on the left side.
>>722210972I wouldn't bother farming until you're ready to pull the plug for act 3. But when you are, grand reeds. Go from songclave to the cogworks bench and back.
So are the craws actually birds? I thought they were breaking the bug theme with Groal but on closer inspection I don't think he was actually a frog.
>>722211124I think memorium bench is faster than cogwork bench
>>722211136nobody knows. it's one of the greatest mysteries in the game
>>722211136nah, canonically everything is bugs, some of them just suspiciously resemble other types of animals.
>>722210105Seriously why the fuck are there so many super fast flying enemies. Why does the map still suck so bad? They had 6 years.
How do you reach this Flea in Act 3? The right-hand side of Whispering Vaults and the way in from Bilewater are blocked now.
I will fight Trobbio twice a day until I beat him.
>>722211136They're mosquitos cosplaying as birds.
If I pulled that off would she become a regular earthworm?
>>722211401The path over there is one of those ones where you just keep jumping up toward the ceiling without any indication that you can or should.Go down to the large room on the right side of Whispering Vaults and try climbing up into the top right corner.
>>722211618It would be extremely painful
>>722211618it would be extremely painful
>>722211850
>>722211850She's a big worm
>>722211618It would be extremely hot
>>722210105>lace 3 ranked above lace 2deranged takelace 3 is literally lace 2 except>add the ability for her to telefrag you if you play the most agressively, so youre forced to be a passive bitch instead of the most skillful and highest damaging way if you dont wanna risk taking unfair damage>add attacks that literally just waste time and nothing elsein addition>high halls gauntlet on lowest tierF I L T E R E D
Team Cherry picked a weird spot for Red Maiden to play. I would get it more if it played fighting Lace 3.
>>722210105Replace Trobbio2 with Carmelita, bump Widow up a notch, and bring the High Halls gauntlet boss to at least alright.
>>722210972The vertical hallway right outside Grand Bellway was my go-to for Act 2, since there's a shit ton of easy enemies that drop loads of rosaries.
>>722212028Final phase of LL should have been a duet with her song and Red Maiden.
>>722211941Kek
My only disappointment with this game is that there isn't a single SHAWWW
cheesing LL with pale nails just kind of shows how much of the """"difficulty"""" in the game is based on bosses moving around erratically while dealing collision damagelmao you just walk away from her, cast pale nails every time you regenerate 3 silk, repeat. The only attack you even need to dodge is her jump up which is telegraphed to hell
>>722212028>literally hornet's theme is in some completely unfitting section that is also entirely missable and has no incentive to be done on replays>that one good as fuck boss theme originating from the trailer is exclusively in the tutorial meme boss and literally not anywhere elsein all honesty what the fuck was team cherry thinking with thisthe games great but its like 'aesthetically' so much worse than HK1 for these special moments that its baffling
>>722210105Why is the blue fuck always on the lists? I do not consider him a boss.
i wish phantom was harder, she needed at least another phase. shit was way too easy and i suck ass at this game.groal can eat shit and die fat fucking nigger
>>722212007>game no let unga bunga with brain off so bad
>>722212467Literally her theme?
>>722212384thats more of a LL problem rather than the rest of the game imo
>>722210105crust king khann looks so tuff until he starts summoning goofy, slow ass spikes and doesn't even fight you.
Let me just correct the record.
>>722212505red maiden is a reference to hornets' theme from HK1
>>722212384Lost Lace is just a shit fight in general.
>>722212467>>literally hornet's theme is in some completely unfitting section that is also entirely missable and has no incentive to be done on replaysIt's also a downgrade compared to all versions of it from HK.
>>722212502normal bosses arent unga bunga with your brain off, you still need to attack at the right time and not ram into them to get contact damaged or whatever. it takes more skill than being a boring faggot that just waits for bosses to attack and rewards you accordinglyIf lace 3 dashes to the other side of the screen, and you try to chase her immediatelly, theres a nonzero chance she decides to teleport besides your previous position and telefrags you. thats just retarded
LL (Love Lace)
>>722212467It plays when you fight Moorwing and Pinstress too.
what If LL's last phase becomes an epic needolin battle between hornet and the ghost(he has voiduitar <- guitar but void) , yeah, I say kino
>>722210105
>>722212740pretty sure moorwing plays something else doesnt it
>>722212571someone got filtered by judge kek
>>722212473He's an optional mini-boss.Overdosing on the stuff yourself has a pretty neat effect
>>722212467>literally not anywhere elseBut it literally plays in another literal place you literal retard
>>722212467cool your flaps nigga
Am I retarded if I like the diagonal pogo better than the vertical one?
>>722212473If these lists have the fucking wargleblarge thing near Wormways that doesn't even get a name card then it can have plasmium zalgo.
>>722210105Bab
>>722212941Naw, it has a nice zip to it and the horizontal distance is clearly intended for some sections.
>>722212826obviously not if I beat the game. 2nd phase is just boring avoiding attacks and if you get bad RNG she just uses the same unpunishable frame 1 spin the censer around while youre in the corner move twice in a row or more and you die.
>>722210972Get Eva.Get Volt Filament.Get Thief's Mark.Bench here.Go left and fire off two Silkspears. Collect 67 rosaries. Return to bench.20 seconds has elapsed. Do it again. And again.
>>722213036Lost my pic.
>>722212571I too liked 4th Conductor. Got it like on the third try, but I wouldn't call it exactly easy. It was the kind of fight that makes you go "I can't believe I'm lasting so long".
So when is NASA gonna find us some giant, sapient alien bugs so we can clap some chitinous cheeks?
>>722212996It's usually harder to hit, but that somehow makes it more satisfying.
>>722212941it was insanely fun in act 1 and for combat in general, but got pretty tiresome in some of the more advanced pogo shit during act 2
>>722213015You suck ass. LJ doesn't instakill you. The attacks are fairly challenging but they are avoidable, and even if you take a couple of hits you can easily heal. You can avoid getting cornered on a wall, or you can climb the wall, or you can take a hit and heal up.
>nyleth starts her explosion while you're at close rangewat do
>>722212941It can be quite good for combat but platforming is just easier with wanderer/reaper.
>>722213185continue pumping her ass then heal if needed
>>722213185Clawline is faster than dashing but you still gotta react fast.
>>722213212I just switched to wanderer and I'm having trouble using the bouncing flowers.
>>722213185Cross-stitch.
>the game i've been waiting for for 7 years that seems like it was never ever gonna come out actually did release, and it was amazingwow
>>722213272Sounds like you need some practice. Hunter is fine though if you like it.
>>722213185Clawline outta there, but you gotta do it right away or the delay is gonna fuck you.
*pukes tacks all over the floor*
>>722212986I hate team cherry just threw him in the garbage. what was the point of making an ending where he survives just to completely ignore him next game?
>>722210275I hated Path of Pain. Probably the main reason I haven't replayed HK, since I'm too autistic to skip something even on a second playthrough.
>>722213171I'm not going to argue with someone who's most likely a bot when I just watched my friend fight her yesterday and everything you claim you perfectly dodged and countered happened to him for an hour. Granted he was drinking a little and his controller was disconnecting mid fight repeatedly. Yeah you can easily heal no shit. But then you just spend 10 minutes not attacking and avoiding attacks to get one punishable attack, but instead it gives you bullshit to waste your time. BOOOORINGGGG looks like someone got filtered by High Halls!!
>>722213234Hot
>watching various skong let's plays>find out you can land the killing blow on groal while he's swallowed youObvious in hindsight but still cool.
>>722213404>punishes the rapid-fire chip damage by cancelling out any pause between her attacks any time she's hit
So when people say they're wanting full coral gorge back in dlc, do they mean it being fully completed in the hearts section?
>>722213185Voltvessel until the fight is over
>>722213423It's not like Hornet has some kind of bugphone to ring him up
>>722213503>But then you just spend 10 minutes not attacking and avoiding attacks to get one punishable attacklolyou suck ass my nigga
>>722213423Silksong was originally supposed to be DLC for HK so chances are they had a story in mind that he didn't fit in to. It's why Silksong's story felt like it's spread thin when it comes to all the actual major plot important characters, with so much side content added to pad it out. Maybe they have something in mind for Silksong DLC, or a third game.
>>722213545She's the only boss who does that too, if you dodge her combo by getting behind her she will cancel it and turn around to hit you too.
>>722210972Go to the grand bellway and enter the left room. Kill the two guys. Run back to the bench, repeat. If that isn’t interesting enough you can also run from the grand bellway elevator straight to the choral chambers elevator and kill all the enemies on the way. It’s slightly slower but way less mind numbing.
>>722213234why isn't there porn of nyleth yetlook at her cute haircut
>>722213658t. tool spamming wanderer
>>722213423Anon, the hollow knight is going to be the protagonist of the third game. Trust the process. He couldn’t show up in the ending because he’s still alive.
>>722213692Lost Lace did it too, at least in her first couple phases. I learned to save my tools for the end of the fight when she was already going balls to the wall.
>>722213513Happened to me first time I beat him. Felt pretty kino, Hornet slicing her way out of his guts would be in character.
>>722213756t. butthurt retardI've beaten her as hunter and wanderer. Wanderer is definitely easier, as with most bosses, although it has only one orange tool. Anyway if you want a tip, try pogoing her more after her leap/charge, they are very heavily punishable.
not to be a ching chong shill but after squeezing everything out of silksong and wanting more I tried 9 Sols and it's pretty good (but very different in appeal). I pirated it but it just went on sale for half off so I actually bought it
>>722212950>the fucking wargleblargethat thing intros and dies like a boss at least, I don't remember Zalgo doing that
>>722213563I specifically want a Sands of Karak/Blasted Steps combined superzone back when it was a lush river area. Honestly give me Lost Verdania style versions of all the Pharloom areas that used to be gorgeous natural wonders and are now shitty.
>>722212741You just described the Guitar Hero 3 final boss.
>>722213563They just want to see what that zone originally was. Ideally what I think they should do is just use that weird pointless platform that’s above the outside of the coral tower door and put the entrance to whatever path of pain style zone they have in the plans there. That way they can reuse the art for that zone.
>>722213874nine sols is amazing, but it's very different
>>722213905Sounds fairly likely since they have a bunch of coral assets already. Pre-silk citadel would be super cool.
>>722213905A full "Pharloom in the past" DLC would be kino, especially if we can run into Herrah.
>>722212467I didn't even realise it was Hornet's theme at the time because I beat the gauntlet in about 30 seconds and the sfx drown it out (Which is general problem with most of the soundtrack)
>>722213867I dont need a tip nigger I completed the game. Go drink your piss bottles and never reply again
>>722213423I think they probably want to go the Zelda route where specific points of worldbuilding are kept completely separate from another. See Majora, Twili, Holodrum, the list goes on. It just makes the setting feel bigger.
>>722213874I love Nine Sols and even have the Yi statue but I'll always love HK and SS more. Although Eigong might be the greatest boss in both franchises and doing that fight definitely made some of Silksong's harder challenges easier for me cause my combat IQ leveled up.
>>722213036I only just got clawline and have none of those trinkets
>>722210665>expect a sick duel with a weapon master ala the nailmasters fights>get a spinster doing her best vengefly king impression
My only disappointment is that the sentinel fight didn’t have that wicked sillhouette effect from the trailer.
>>722213739https://files.catbox.moe/788a37.PNGhere, one doodle
>>722214018sorry it just really sounded like you needed a tip, didnt realise you were a big dog
>>722210665I'm a Pinstress defender.Her fight is goofy fun. She's 50% duelist and 50% party balloon that throws knives at you. Solid B tier stuff.
I'm in act 1 and I haven't used tools in a single boss fight. The only ones so far I can imagine using are the throwing pins.
>Hornet thinking that the Pale King was a fool for toying with VoidShe got proven wrong in the end, didn't she? If he didn't use Void in his plans, she would have failed her own quest in Pharloom.
>>722212986*thwip*
>>722210105I liked the Deep Docks duo fight, they attack as a pattern not just RNG clocks, Hollow Knight has consistently done duo fights pretty well like that. I can see it being hideous if the adds get voided in Act 3 though.>>722214598It's kind of lame that she just floats out of range for most of the fight and you're just waiting for her to do shit to punish, but it's a pretty quick and easy fight, funny animations, projectiles so slow they're a non-factor, I didn't mind it.
>>722213015You can react to the spin, pay attention to her hand. You're just bad.
>>722214645No? Gilf would have stopped anyway. Hace and Lornet would have died though
>>722214645I think she was reflecting more on the Kingsmould stuff than the Hollow Knight stuff. If anything I think it was just a cute reference to the dumb floating kingsmould blobs that didn't fucking do anything and just existed to be pogo'd on.
>wallclimb up the wall on the left>pogo on top of the Pintress as she is completely helpless throwing shit down>counter her charge attacks with cross stich
>>722214526
>>722214526This is amazing
>First Sinner is just harder Widow>First Sinner is easier than WidowI don't understand how both can be true, and yet...
>>722214645Maybe, but it arguably resulted in an even worse result that Hornet still felt compelled to clean up. Better for her, worse for all the people she's grown to care for over the course of the game, which is basically the point of her character growth over the game.
I find it interesting that so many people can have different experience with the bosses in this game. Like I had no trouble with karmalita, Seth and trobbio but then i struggled with nyleth, moorwing(prepatch) and bell eater
>>722212941I switched to Reaper after Cogwork Core, it was getting me killed to much in that section
>>722214526nice
>>722212481She's an Act 1 boss.
>>722215061I think it varies by playstyle even more than crest. Nyleth died first try for me because I was using flint wanderer so that plant just evaporated, but Seth tore me to shreds trying the same shit. Similar with Karmelita where she punishes retreating so trying to weave in and out of her range is asking to get mulched.
>>722214645>She got proven wrong in the end, didn't she?Not really, since her quote specifically was about it being foolish to try and control the Void into doing what you want, which the Pale King did technically fail to do due to his vessels not being truly hollow and his kingdom falling to ruin.
>>722211618She's honestly pretty cute when you realize she has no dark secret and is actually just some autistic bug who wants to save all the relics. Also I like her singing.
>>722215148So is Last Judge and people across the world are seething at her
>>722210665Built for Pale nail and tool spam.
>>722214526h-hegaleigh
>>722215061There's so many bosses that it amounts to your personal playstyle and which bosses are better or worse for it. I'm not going to pretend I wasn't a Wanderer shitter for most of the game, so there were definitely bosses where I had to adjust more and learn a new playstyle.>>722215294Phantom definitely should've gotten an extra phase that only shows up if you beat Last Judge first, but Last Judge is also surprisingly tanky for an act 1 boss. With her damage modifiers she's somewhere between Zango and Raging Conchfly even with upgraded nails, and for people to beat her as the last boss of act 1 they've only gotten the nail upgraded once.
>>722214645I mean she's saying that to both her dad and herself/the snails. Like the vessels not being hollow and the snare fucking pharloom up. Hallownest is dead and lives were needlessly lost during the void takeover of pharloom
>>722215294Phantom's got more bullshit involved in getting to her so most people don't go there during Act 1 and once you're at her assuming you found the barely hidden bench she's got a trivial runback.I'm fairly certain at least half the Last Judge seethe is really anger at a single flying enemy on the path that most people can't figure out how to dodge.
>>722210105I don't get why everyone considers judge such a good boss, he's incredibly mechanically simplistic, hes got like 4 moves and is otherwise just not very noteworthy. I guess it's 'solid' and easy to read so it doesn't really have any wild bullshit but I thought it was a bit of a letdown for the end of act 1.
>>722212007>use clawline to close distance after she appears instead of blindly sprinting around>problem ceases to exist
>>722212481Part of Phantom's boss fight is finding the boss fight itself.
>>722215275It's kinda shitty how she claims all responsibility for preserving the relics you give her and rejects Hornet playing any role. It seems like the Keepers all being self-centered is genetic.
>>722210665A solid mid-tier fight. I want a rematch where I remember to use clawline.
>>722212384...Can't you say that about any of the techniques? Parry can break most bosses in twain.
>>722210401>Clockwork cakeboys>the most telegraphed boss in the game>does the full screen duo slash attack where you must simply avoid the lines>easy shit nobody is getting hit by this>after the attack they immediately teleport back into the arena without any warning right on top of your headIf they weren't the easiest boss in the game I'd be mad.
>>722216290Don't they always return to their previous positions?
>>722213905>Pre- literal sewage flooded Bilewater>Beautiful wetland full of clean water and with the friendliest bayou bugs you ever met
>>722210401
>>722210105you can fight shakra?
Schizo is back. fucking shit
Lacenet
>>722216492It'd be simply too kino.
>>722216626Yes. Buy all her maps, complete her quest, and then she will set up a ring to the right of bellhart in moorwing's arena. Ring it and you can duel her.It will no longer be available in act 3.
>>722216718Why does all the lesbian art draw Hornet with the cloak fluffy?
>>722212007>youre forced to be a passive bitch instead of the most skillful and highest damaging way if you dont wanna risk taking unfair damageThat applies to nearly every boss in the game. Contact damage is the biggest killer for any boss that isn't bullet hell, so it's way more effective to simply walk slowly out of range of their extremely predictable attacks so you don't get bumped into when they reposition. Tada the game is easy.
>>722213874Started playing it today and it's so fucking weird to not have contact damage at all after staying away from enemies for all of HK and SS. Pretty great already though
>>722216775>no longer available in act 3did you get any cool shit out of it or is just a fun fight to do
>>722215294Last Judge is the intended finale for Act 1, the challenge revolves solely around her and the area. Phantom is completely off the beaten path behind a hidden breakable wall in an optional hard area.
>>722216831The bird makes it fluffy
>>722216831That's the double-jump cloak
>>722216847Just a fun fight and a hunter's journal entry that doesn't count towards the memento.
>>722210275If you thought this was "kino", you should play literally any level in Celeste.
>>722216831The Faydown cloak does look rather soft.
>>722213874>>722216846Have fun, there's some shit in there that makes Lost Lace feel like a warm-up but your defensive tools are absurd
>>722216340Could be. Seemed to be different every time but I never played attention to their starting positions.
Need more Eva + Hornet content, she reminds me of Ayre from AC6
>>722216901*her and the runback
>>722216924>>722216931>>722216996Yeah but only the lesbian fanart depicts it that way.
>>722210275*blocks your path*
>>722210105I see Team Cherry was inspired by the Frigid Outskirts for their runbacks
>>722217161Why do we hate this, again?
>>722217176I suppose it's just the sort of detail people who draw Hornet being a lesbian would add. They probably have a preference for depicting frilly and fluffy details like that. Maybe there's some shoujo influence in that kind of design, I don't know enough about gay bitches and their artistic inspirations to say for sure though
>>722217176I mean it makes sense. Lace and hornet hate each other until the end of the 2nd act when you'd have the cloak
>>722217342The threads a few days after launch really made this sound like the worst thing in the world, but it wasn't that bad at all when I got to it. Worst runback by far was Groal the Great, arena included
>>722216537>>722216596>>722216678>>722216710>>722216762>>722216816>>722216870All me
>>722217176They're just obsessed with soft and cutesy shit, so it makes sense they'd go with the soft and cutesy option.
>>722217251imagine if path of pain gave you infinitely respawning enemies with safe spots where they literally cannot hit you, allowing you to heal to full hp inbetween each collision with traps / obstaclesI don't even consider that corridor to be a platforming challenge, its just a tedious climb
>>722217558I liked that one too.
>>722217628You're WEIRD
>>722217593path of pain has infinite statues to recharge soul off of, what are you talking about?
>>722217558at least they were nice enough to give you enough silk to remove the maggots just before the arena.
>>722217568this is just some AI bot yeah? probably some buttmad gacha faggot that actual videogames are discussed on /v/
>>722217593You mean like the soul totems? That you don't even need because grubsong + deep focus already provides infinite healing.
>>722217749The Vietcong got nothing on me. I was molded by the swamp into something more powerful and autistic than you could even imagine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIjp1pZGQBw
>>722217251>reaper>gambling dice>poison cogflies + tacksdamn
>>722217912Reaper is the worst crest by far.
>>722217251this entire section annoyed me because I would get hit by the spikes while clawlining juuust far enough away that Hornet visibly wasn't touching anything, and I'm still pissed about it.
Im having a lot less fun with act 3 then i expected to. I know the world is ending and its suppose to be oppressive. Every enemy having area denial attacks makes me play way more defensively than i was in act 2 and losing silk on every hit is frustrating.
>>722217992It's probably the best crest for that section because of how wide the pogo is. You can hit the flying crabs from the side and still bounce upwards
Is Trobbio optional? I just beat him but have no idea what I gained from doing so.
The path of pain better not be silk and lace just looking at each other for 2 seconds
>>722218079You need to beat him to go behind his arena which leads to a third of the melody.
>>722218159We basically already got that in the Exhaust Organ
>>722210753whoa wtf, I never realized it but its obvious now.
So... what is the worst runback?>Watcher at the Edge>Groal the Great>Clover Dancers
>>722213343Acts 1 and 2 were everything I wantedAct 3 is dogshit
>>722216526Knight would rip Pharloom a new asshole. Hornet's just fragile.
>>722218167But the elevator there took me to a place I've already been to.
>>722218316
>>722218316worst runback is easily high halls because 9/10 of the gauntlet is your runback
>>722210105You fight Shakra? Guess it was optional, since I missed it. Do you have to kill her?
Am I retarded? I can't figure out how to access this place.
>>722218454It's just a friendly duel
>>722218517Cool.
>>722210105>Cog DancersI feel like I am getting gaslit here because everyone loves that fight for some fucking reason. The first two phases are so easy they feel like part of the run back, making the two additional attempts it took me to finish a slog and a half. The only thing in phase 1/2 that ever hit me was the first time I faced them, the slight delay on their slash when they dive straight down baited me twice before I got the hang of it.The fight is a pushover.>Beast Fly 2 in alrightIt's everything that was bad about 1 only now he dashes from off screen and the adds are way more annoying>Signis and Gron in frustrating That shit took me four tries. What was frustrating about it? Just herd them together so it's easier to react and the fight is easy.
>>722218408Well, the issue here is you rested at the wrong bench.The run back is much faster if you use the bench on the right hand side of the area, given Hornet is much faster at traversing horizontally compared to vertically.
>>722218571Most players have no clue what the runback on cog dancers is like because you have to consciously shit the bed to not kill them in your first run
>>722218571A fight being fun doesn't mean a fight needs to be difficult.>he struggled with Best Fly 2lol
>>722218473It's cut content, even though it's on most maps.
>>722214645Nooticing how we don't see the hollow knight here...
>>722218593You are misremembering. You have to do an even harder vertical platforming challenge to get up to the top level if you rest at the bench in Karak itself.
>>722218748I don't remember it being that bad of a section, but okay
bros... can I repaint my house?
>>722218571Cog Dancers is crazy easy and everyone knows that, but they're memorable due to things outside of how challenging they are. Beastfly is whatever, and the rematch is uninspired, but not really that bad.Signis and Gron were kino.
>>722210105Disrespect Karmelita again and I shall have you beheaded in front of the entire board.
>>722218835You unironically bricked your save.
>>722218316https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saAxQXdfA0s>>722218408That's just long.
>>722218316If you're including Groal's gauntlet, then his. Otherwise, Watcher. Clover Dancers' isn't even as bad as Last Judge.
>>722218789Based
>>722218891no...
>>722212691LL stands for something else that also describes Lace.
>>722218909This video makes me not want to do Act 3. Also is the vertical Crystal Heart found in Act 2 or 3?
>>722218571What the other guys said.Specifically boss synced to the music is cool.
>>722218891They should let you repaint your house. That merchant never goes anywhere. And it's not like I have anything else to spend rosaries on after act 2.
>>722218316>Watcher at the Edgedoes a boss actually count as having a runback if there's no reason to die to them
>>722219069Agreed.
>>722213874That game is peak, I'm glad it doesn't have to compete with Silksong to be my favorite of 2024.
>>722218571Beast Fly 2 was easy, literally just silkstorm his minions and his attack pattern is so predictable you have to try to actually get hit.Cog Dancers was kino, and Gron was whatever.
>>722210105I liked double moss mother, felt like a legit fair two boss fight where you had to react and think. The gay beetles I think are all shit tier cause they are so easy, was really expecting another phase. Lace 1 was too easy, though kinda understandable being that early on. Crust buster king was the easiest in the game, and I didn't mind the furnace brothers much cause it's so hectic kinda fun I guess... Oh yea the fourth chorus was also kinda ass, cool but way WAY too easy.
>>722218571honestly with the forgebrothers all I remember are the fuckers in the area with the bombs. which I don't think even show up in the boss fight. but I hated that whole section of deep docks
>>722215554This is accurate
Which boss has the best music?
>>722219324>stand still>dodge into the boss>dieWOOOOOOOOOW DUDE FUCK TC
>>722219395Karmelita
hahahaha
>>722215061I could not handle Karmelita and Moorwing even post-patch but I enjoyed all Lace versions, Seth, and Tormented Trobbio. Maybe I just don't like giant hitbox bosses.
>>722219395For me, it's Widow
>>722215061What did they change on Moorwing?
>>722215294Beating Phantom first is the best route because it gives you Cross Stitch, which is great for Last Judge.
>>722218571>Signis and GronI had the pleasure of doing them in Act 3, the adds have a chance of becoming voided, the entire voided enemies gimmick is a shitshow
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>>722219395Rapist flies
>>722219395Krust King Khannhttps://christopherlarkin.bandcamp.com/track/crust-king-khann
>>722213423Because Silksong is pretty disconnected from HK in general. Hornet only mentions HK when it's super relevant to her character and basically has to. True ending and red memory are great callbacks that capitalize on Silksong's disconnect from HK for the most part.
>>722219689cross stitch is great for nothing in the whole fucking game>parry last judge attack>she starts twirling the death circles>you're locked into a shit animation and die
>>722217848my beautiful boys
>>722216195Seems like the solution is to stay on the ground since it baits her into doing the charge attack for a punish. I tried to clawline her and she just would not come the fuck down. Every time I fired it off she either double-jumped away or threw pins in my face.
Nerf Lost Lace.
>>722217558The early post launch threads were full of shitters getting filtered by moorwing and sister splinter of all things.
>>722210105The plasma boss isn't that bad if you simply go to kill, but the more satisfying method of stealing the lifeblood back makes it frustrating. Agree in that sense, but it's an important distinction.Aside from that? Khann is fun despite being easy, the Unravelled should move to frustrating, Savage Beastfly 2 is ruined by the enemy spawn, and Nyleth feels like she should be either at the bottom or higher depending how you felt on the fight. Of all things, I wouldn't call that fight boring.
>>722217342Most people didn't figure out the shortcuts to optimize the runback, or didn't realize that maintaining sprint would avoid the cockfly at the beginning.
The enemies when they get Void Boosted health and double damage adds nothing to the game.
>>722219682The buzzsaw attacks deal one damage now.
>>722219395Either Widow, Seth, or Tormented Trobbio
>>722217176They like the character interactions and showing Hornet's figurative soft side, so it makes sense they'd do the same with her literal soft outfit (and they want to show her enjoying something fluffy since she canonically likes that).
>>722220268>Void Boosted health adds nothing to the gameCorrect>Void Boosted double damage adds nothing to the gameIncorrect
>>722219395Karmelita easily>vocals stop when she gets stunnedSOVL
>>722220196Beastfly 2 is the only boss that I felt was lame, and that's just because it was a second Beastfly instead of some kind of lavabug or Fourth Chorus rematch.The Unravelled is a fine fight outside of the slightly deceptive hitbox, and him having just a little too much health. He was legitimately the only boss where I was left wondering why he wasn't dead yet.
>>722219395I wish it was Phantom but that track feels like it ends right when it's getting started :(
>>722220268They get new attacks and the attacks aren't even copied across enemies, several have unique varietiesex the giant poison sprayers in bilewater start spraying void instead
So, why are you people so certain that they will make a third HK game after the Silksong DLCs ? Did Team Cherry hint at anything of the sort ?
>>722217992Reaper is pogo easymode. It would also be the best survival crest if Wanderer didn't have the Quick Slash problem of giving you max silk on top of max DPS through sheer number of hits.
>>722219689My reflexes are too shit to parry anything.
I was fully expecting Grand Mother Silk to be pic related, rescued from Hollow Knight's cutting room floor like the Forest of Bones. Still wish they found a way to incorporate it into the game somehow.
>>722218050If you get the maxed out needle and complete all the main story quests pre-final boss, it makes Act 3 exploration a lot easier.
>>722220404I will admit I did Unravelled fairly late and assumed it would have been worse earlier game. Maybe it's a case where it would have been the opposite and I would have enjoyed it if I had to actually mix up more against it.
>>722220632I want to learn more about the giant dead bugs that make up parts of the backgrounds and some of the buildings.
Do vertebrates exist in the Hollow Knight universe?
>>722220603Did you do Passing of the Age?
>>722213874>>722217016I just remember not enjoying 9 sols quite as much as I thought I would after the /v/ glazing, but I can't really remember why now. Maybe I just overhyped it.
>>722220735no.
>>722220735I mean, you walk on so many vertebrae as platforms in The Marrow (and I think theres 1 or 2 in Moss Grotto).
>>722220780The mushroom quest ? No.
>>722220735I strongly feel like the thing on top of Mount Fay was originally a bird in early development, that they later turned into an ambiguous thing because they really want to avoid dictating whether this is all just tiny bug world happening under our feet or if it's legit full-sized bug-world.
>>722220802It's a slow starter where your movement is sluggish and you have to unlock sprinting in the skill tree, after sitting through a long cutscene/tutorial area. Once you're in the meat of the game it's phenomenal and the time it spends with its characters is very rewarded, but goddamn is it easy to bounce off.
>>722218316I hear Palestag's runback is bad but I killed it first try so I don't know. Otherwise, it's easily either Groal or Watcher depending on whether you count the gauntlet. I do, so Groal.
>>722220735I'm pretty sure the Fayforn is an actual bird. Know it's depicted with a bug body below its plumage, but considering its beak I interpreted it as being how the bugs perceived such a creature. While the description could have been out of paranoia, the fact it was warned the Fayforn could be dangerous made me think even further of a bird choosing to eat any bugs it deemed unworthy. Know columbiformes primary eat seeds, but not out of the question considering what we see of the world outside.
>>722220196>stealing the lifeblood backWhat?
>>722220910Bugs eat other bugs all the time.
>>722220683No, it's worse with fewer upgrades. Takes a thousand years to kill him.
>>722220947If you still have the needle for extracting Plasmium that insta-kills enemies, he dies in a couple hits with that.
>>722220947You can use the vial provided to drain the zombified assistant instead of just attacking. Takes about four or five times to kill the boss with that method, and it leaves you with a lot of the required Plasmium for that one quest completed. Only issue is that the main attack is annoying to dodge around, and the boss starts moving after a couple drains.
>>722211618I was a bit disappointed you don't get her commentary with each new addition but then again she's not a historian but a collector
>>722221041>>722221064Ah, that makes sense. I'd already completed the quest and given the syringe back before I found him, so I never even considered the possibility.
>>722220821well there you go. nigger.
>>722219069Yeah, there's no reason not to. Though they should also add other post-Act 2 uses for rosaries. You even get a free infinite source of them after beating Crawfather so it's not like having a few leftover purchases to make would lock you out of using the cannon.
>>722211971For you.
>>722219813>Alright Christopher, this is the worst most dogshit boss we've ever designed in our entire lives, there's no need to go too hard on the theme>>>722220871>unlock sprinting in the skill treeOh yeah, I do remember there were a couple of things that I thought should have just been unlocked by default. I think I was also expecting it to be more Sekiro-like for some reason and was disappointed by it being a more hybrid system like every other game with parrying now.
>>722219212double moss was... fine? but I bumped down almost all of the bosses that I beat in one go by one tier. I hope double moss is in the Godhome equivalent assuming we get one, and there's no regular single moss (or if there is it's majorly switched up)
>>722221164Once you get to the midgame you can definitely have builds where you just parry people until they've racked up so much internal damage you can one-shot them with a talisman, but it's definitely expecting you rely on your bow and charge attacks until you understand that rhythm and have the right jades. Ironically I think the thing they did the worst at translating from Sekiro is that in Sekiro, aggression can be used to keep up pressure and trigger retaliation that you can predict. Nine Sols is a lot more purely reactive, which can feel passive and stifling especially when the player isn't familiar enough with the game to exploit the windows they're given.
>>722219830Just parry the twirl attack whenever she pulls it out in phase 1 and stay aggressive otherwise. Easy way to eliminate half the fight.
What do?
Karmelita IRL
>>722210105Flea juggle has filtered me. I use mouse and keyboard and trying this juggle over and over has given me gamers elbow. I will never finish this game.
>>722221376go somewhere else
>>722220018Only thing that needs nerfing is how quickly her attacks can come out when she appears behind the Void buzzsaws, everything else is fine as long as you don't sprint around when she's offscreen. Note that her teleports from phase 2 onward often spawn her in from where one of her Void attacks lands, so be on lookout for that.
>>722221409why does it have 3 extra eyes on its forehead
>>722221507>mouse and keyboard
>>722221543They're simple eyes that only detect light.
>Khann was easy as fuck>also the shortcut almost right before him was easy as fuck to spotBut man those gauntlets in Coral Tower really were long as fuck even though they didn't give me much trouble.And what the shit, all the extra boss fights in act 3 just give you decorations for your house?
Anyone know why void masses don't respawn? Does anything happen when you kill them all?
>>722221541>when she appears behind the Void buzzsawsthe simplest solution to this is jumping when you can't see her, but yeah you have to develop a sense for it
>>722220268Makes Act 3 feel as oppressive through gameplay as it's meant to be in story. Makes early-game enemies not a total pushover again. Makes for a "fuck yes" moment when you get the Everbloom and it disables the Void's silk drain.
>>722220821That's why. Either do the ending again with the mushroom quest completed or look up a video of what happens.
>>722221641destroying them makes it so that less void enemies will spawn in the surrounding area.
>>722221641Killing every single Void Mass in under an hour without using fast travel or getting hit unlocks the secret Sherma sex minigame.
>>722221641>each void mass has a bunch of the enemies in the area around themfelt cool as fuck when I noticed it
>>722221641Wherever they are all enemies are automatically voided. If you kill them then the enemies act like normal and merely have a chance of being voided. I don't think killing them all does anything special, but I haven't done so myself so I can't say for sure.
>>722220821I'll save you some time, it says "to be continued."
>>722221642Yeah, I had adjusted to it by the time I won, but it is kind of RNG and a better solution would be to just keep her attack telegraphs visible.
>>722221871How many sex scenes are in this fucking game?
>>722217593yeah nigga i dont have to imagine that
>>722221974If you beat Steel Soul hitless 100% completion in under an hour with no weapon upgrades or tools or dashing you unlock the secret H-game defeat rape mode
>>722217558I didn't find the hidden bench in bilewater and consider it my favorite in the game just from how familiar I got with moving through it. Beyond a certain length, runbacks become less of a chore and more of a challenge and makes the whole area more memorable
>>722222139It's the opposite for me. Areas are fun to traverse the first time when it's new and you're learning it, but once it's become easy and familiar it's just a chore to keep doing it.
>listen to OST>Widow and Lace tracks primarily feature string instruments>more importantly, other bosses don't
>>722210105I don't get the hate for beastfly and the deep docks duo, they're fun
>>722222139I don't mind some runbacks you can optimize to the point of making them quick and consistent, including Last Judge once I mastered it, but going through Bilewater with all its traps and random enemies? Having to fight through obnoxious gauntlets like Groal's and Karmelita's? Fuck that, I would rather not. Just because something adds more obstacles to the game that doesn't automatically make it good.
>>722218167You can get into the cauldron from the whiteward also, right? Trobbio is just faster and his charm + Witch crest is based
>found like 2/3rds of the grubs without the map in HK>found all the fleas in act 2 without even finding the tracker thing
FUCK. YOU. GROAL.
>>722222222
>>722222337Nah that anon is right, you have to defeat Trobbio in order to unlock the elevator and that section of the underworks where you get the melody.>>722222465dubs are disabled on /v/ thoughbeit
>>722222412Yeah, not all the fleas are easy but they're definitely less trouble to track down than the grubs. I attribute it mostly to already knowing how to look for secrets and false walls when I played Silksong.
>>722222337one of the melodies is in the vault, it's blocked by the moving block from vault side and by one way door from underworks. Trobio is blocking the only open door there.
>>722222326Karmelita's gauntlet was so short that it felt like more of a warmup.
>>722222465retard newfag
>>722222337>>722222540Rune rage can hit blocks from the other side. So if you got that you could potentially skip Trobbio.
>>722222550Most of it is no trouble but the flying two-mask faggots at the end are terrible. The whole thing is just a pointless delay, either way- I don't need a mandatory warmup before every try at a boss.
>>722222454Groal ain't so bad, it's everything before him that wears you down
>>722221507>I use mouse and keyboardWhy would you do this to yourself?
>>722222693I'd say it depends a lot on what crest you use, he has such a fuckhuge hitbox that you can't really get over him unless you're using a pogo with iframes so it's a much worse fight with reaper or wanderer. I got him on my first attempt switching to witch crest just because of how easy it is to avoid contact damage
>>722221507you're not using reaper crest right
>>722222528>>722222576nta but I thought they were enabled for non-0 above a certain number, like septs or something
>>722220802the story and bosses are amazing, but exploration and normal mobs are lame, which makes going from one good part to another feels like a slog.
>>722222826>it's a much worse fight with reaperHe's the only boss I ended up using reaper for. I didn't pogo him, though. I used it because it was the only option with a babymode pogo for getting to him easily, good range, a normal bind, and two red slots. Beat him on the second attempt after switching to it.
>>722221507Keyboard I get, but mouse?
>>722218016You can cut your momentum short by holding back.
I just got all three of the songs. Can someone give me a hint on where to go explore before I proceed with the story?
>>722223379you missed a breakable wall in sinners road
>>722223424You mean the Organ or is this a different one?
>>722223379You seem to be missing Hunter's March (area that you could reach from the Marrow before even going to the Deep Docks if you were a badass) and there's two areas between Sinner's Road and the Citadel
>>722223379Above Deep Docks.>>722223448Different one.
>>722223448a different one. another hint is that its in the rightmost vertical room, and there is a rat that jumps at you right above it
>>722223379You can finish bilewater with double jump, a secret area up in greymoor, a secret encounter in the slab, a secret encounter in whiteward. I think they all involve faydown cloak
How different would Silksong be if Sakurai offered feedback during development?
>>722223591That's really difficult to answer genuinely
Here's mine so far. I've still yet to do Vaults or High Halls and the last thing I did last session was clear Bilewater
TROBBIOOOOOOO
>>722223653Lol, the big ant guy isn't even a boss, just a regular enemy
>>722223653>Phantom and MoorwingWhy?
>>722223653>liked skull tyrantJustice for Pilby.
>>722223758He doesn't respawn so let's call him a miniboss.
>>722223653>Widow not in bestDiscarded
>>722222826You gotta stay in the maggots
>>722210105The only bosses I didn't oneshot were Lost Lace, Trobbio #2, Bilewater Frog, Karmelita, and Nyleth.I say this as someone who probably died a hundred times to dream False Knight in the first game. I'm mid as fuck. If my mid ass is oneshotting 80% of the bosses in this game, it's not hard. Every other boss is garbage by default.
FATALITY
>>722223653>Phantom all the way down at "Disliked"Now that's a hot fucking take, nigga
>>722223758The tiermaker I used had them, so I just went with it>>722223762Moorwing back on launch made me ragequit and try to get the updates that had him nerfed, but that wiped my save in the process so I took that as a sign to give up. Then I had to stay at home for 5 days to recover from something irl so I said fuck it and redownloaded the updated Silksong and played through it again. This time I somehow skipped Moorwing by finding all the fleas and relocating to his area, and when I fought him again it was outside the bell beast station. Thanks to more stuff than I had before, a better experience beforehand, plus his projectiles being nerfed to 1 mask of damage, I had a better time fighting him than initially. I'm still putting him at Dislike though>PhantomI just kept getting unlucky and impatient running into her or having her jump into me or fucking up many many times. I do love the intro and taunting back at her, but this is the kind of fight I have trouble with despite it being simple>>722223815I like how he's a real threat and forced me to watch my spacing without being a huge bitch. I also love how he genuinely jumpscared me charging in and almost killing me and killing the other NPCs as I sat on the bench. Then I noticed how after I ran into the bell beast station like a coward, it played loud sounds of him smashing into the station building from the outside. Getting revenge on him felt great. Definitely a surprise pick>>722223853I had trouble with her at first until I learned how to best avoid the floor bell eruptions and her charging grabs. Then she became good. She's not in best because First Sinner is literally Widow in best already
>>722224052Good dog.
>>722224052I wish the Bell Beast would finish me off
>>722223379past the memorium where you save the merchant lady you can open another area.
>>722224091Phantom just fucked me up a lot man, what can I say? It didn't jive with my playstyles and processing somehow, I can't explain it
I think I missed something with the ending. Did grandma willingly give the rest of her power to help the closest thing she had to children escape, or was Hornet just hardcore enough to take her power after whooping Lace?
>>722224112
>Karmelita's OST is her singingK I N O INO
>>722224174Didn't you hear hornet say "kestra" to her?
>>722224101>after I ran into the bell beast station like a coward, it played loud sounds of him smashing into the station building from the outsidelol, I didn't know he did this. That is cool.
>>722224202Do you think she sings during sex too?
>>722224254Yes
>>722224232I don't know how to speak bug
>30 hours in>Still waiting for a moment that rivals entering City of Tears for the first in Hollow KnightIt's not coming, is it?
>>722224174She did it willingly. Her entire chimpout in the void was just to protect Lace.
>>722224306Well it's not "garana" that's for sure
>>722224174Grandma is alive, just getting banged by ghost
>>722224251That's one of the reasons why he's up there in Liked for me, yeah. Plus revenge motivator for destroying Bone Bottom
Is Act 3 really that bad?
>>722223379You can just finish main quest now if you want, then do the stuff mentioned by other anons. After that there's a ton of stuff to do to get the true ending anyway and the boss at the top of the citadel isn't hard.
>>7222102751) This is the exact same kind of platforming as places like Cogwork Core and the other platforming areas, it's just that the Path of Pain has more sections stitched together2) Path of Pain was added with DLC, dingus. They'll stitch together what'll crush nuts for Silksong now that they know what players can and can't deal with (i.e. will probably force the Hunter crest so the people trying to take it easy on the other crests have to do their 45s)
>>722224594Don't I need to get all the fleas first or something or can that wait until after the main quest too?
>>722224507I liked it. I don't get what's supposed to be so bad about it.
>>722224630It's like HK where reloading after beating the game just puts you back before the last boss. So you can do that whenever and still do more stuff after.
>>722217342I didn't see how it was a problem and used that path that still required you to deal with another judge and conchfly--actually thought it helped because you could use them to bounce up to the bell. I think a lot of people are just paranoid and feel they have to kill the enemies each time or something. It's like the goobers that say you should clear the path for the Mask Maker and Gourmand courier runs, even though dodging the enemies is the easiest part of those wishes.
>>722224269Perfect.
>>722224620>Enter Path Of Silk>game autoequips Beast Crest
This is a subjective and therefore entierely true tierlist
>>722224823I do think it would be neat if there was a platforming challenge with sections designed for each crest that forced you to use them.
>>722224630Act 3 doesn't require you to get all the Fleas. You only need about 2/3rds of them and for you to find a certain location that Hornet will then inform the Caravan as being a safe final spot for them to head to and set up camp.
>>722221590>>722222794It's worked up until now.>>722222882I was originally on Wanderers but switched to the recommended one with little luck.>>722223247Left mouse button is attack, right is jump. My elbows completely fucked got an icepack on it right now. Since my original comment I've been trying it nonstop but this juggle is harder than any gauntlet or boss so far.
My tier list. Ignored the not real bosses. I'll give Moorwing a go when I do a second playthrough, skipped him in act 1 due to fleas and by the time I stumbled into him I had three nail upgrades.Only boss I genuinely hated was savage beastfly version two. First Sinner is the clear best, and by a margin. The pacing of the fight is absolutely immaculate.
>>722224921>big ant guyIsn't that just a guyLike a tough enemy, but just an enemy
I genuinely went through the entire game thinking that Fleamaster Mooshka's moustache was his eyes and that the dots were just markings on his head. Something about the way he's posed, with his hands together and his head somewhat bowed, along with the stache being closer to Hornet's eyeline. Didn't help that I also hated the Pinsmith's eyes and wished they were just markings the entire time instead.
>Pilby can be saved>he just fucking dies offscreen in act 3 and is never seen againlame
>>722225165For some reason he's included on all the tiermakers. I guess he traumatized enough people trying to get in to hunter's march early that he ascended to boss status.Big flea is another odd inclusion.
>>722225165Kinda, but most lists already include other mini bosses like the vomiting dude before wormway, if you compare to that the trap doing ant was pretty fun so I wanted to include him
>>722224953It'd be cool, although I dunno how they would actually accomplish that. The most I'd think is like, a very tight pathway that requires an uber-precise down attack with the angled down-air crests, but that'd be utter ass to deal with it, especially with how strict it'd have to be to prevent you from just floating through
>>722225171Same. I thought his eyes were eyebrows. I think he looks better that way.
>>722225294>>722225291Oh actually I mistook him then, I added him thinking of the act 3 quest dude doing traps... Guess he's not
>Doing the broodfeast is actually easy on Shellwood because of the pond skippers being a staple foodCool, that was fast
>>722225364Trying to hit those guys with the long pin definitely gave me an appreciation for the fishermen
>>722224921>>722224994Love seeing Nyleth at the bottom.
>>722225302They could just lock you into each crest like they do when you first acquire them.
rating the fights I've done so far
>>722225649>Groal>Not in Great
>>722225236I can nigh-guarantee that one of the DLCs they're gonna do is finding more survivors and corpses that somehow ties into using the Elegy of the Deep and the Void, channeling all the death, regrets, and despair that was caused by the Citadel's collapse and the overtaking of Pahrloom by the Abyss. The song feels otherwise kinda shallow to include compared to the Shamans just empowering your Needolin otherwiseIt'll culminate in summoning a mighty Void warrior to your side at the Nameless Village, and it's just the Hollow Knight strolling up to help you in an empowered Lost Lace fight
>>722225718he became more fun when I switched to witch crest and venom cogflies and bursted him to death at least
>>722225749I wonder if they'll end up doing a tool DLC, given the amount of weird spots with nothing rewards it feels like they planned to add more but didn't get to it for whatever reason
>>722225749DLC better focus on Lifeblood and corals I swear on me mum
>>722224630Yeah that's all for true ending, you can go to the top of the citadel any time to get ending 1, then it's probably time to start googling a little for some things. >>722224620> Path of Pain was added with DLCHuh, never realized. Base palace is still a much better platforming challenge than anything in Silksong.
>playing for a 2nd time on Switch 2, unpatched>get to Act 3 and accidentally go to the Bilewater station before the Grand Bellway>fight entrance glitches out and can’t be entered>go to Grand Bellway but the tunnel won’t open there either>softlocked out of fast travel and the only fix is to update the game, forever losing the original difficulty and ability to float before double jumping I’m so fucking mad right now, what a kick in the dick
>>722225718I don't get this image, why is the pinstress there?
If you beat Groal by camping in the water at the bottom right, delete your save and try again, because you didn't beat the game.
>gay incest mantis get an entire new area for their dream>karmelita only gets a tiny colosseumI wanted to see the ants in their full glory. Also why the fuck is she so big in the present?
>>722226323I consider that extra chunk of far fields you get access to to be her area. Nowhere near as extensive or cool as verdania, but it was still neat.
Does this do anything?
>>722226323Dream fight is her as a young maiden, big booty is her as a MILF
>>722226410Lets you stun enemies and get lore tidbits from their singing
>>722226410You can stun enemies with the needolin and get more lore.
https://youtu.be/AWKF9665_zwI really think Silksong parries should give you more silk. Not because theyre underpowered, they're actually an incredibly powerful frame 1 option. I just think the average player isn't going to engage with a mastery system unless it actively rewards them. Silksong suffers a lot from this, its a game with a significant amount of depth, but the reward for engaging with it is very niche. Tools and silk skills are powerful, but they cost resources, so people aren't willing to try them. I think a good compromise would be for successful uses of these skills to refund some silk or shards back to you upon hitting the enemy.
>>722226410I heard you can use it to make lace cry
>>722226323Hunters March is the ant area anon.
Just beat lost lace n this game kinda sucked ngl. Nothing about it reached the peaks of the original HK and the overworld sucked to get through. Some of the bosses were cool like Karmellita but the dogshit gauntlet fights and the Dark Souls 2 tier loot made exploration just not worth it so I'm wondering why I played this game when the original one is just better.
>>722226768Sorta correct, but you're being overly negative about it.
>>722226768You didn't engage with Silksong, you tried to play Hollow Knight 1 again. The majority of your complaints are "why isn't this Hollow Knight" and Silksong wouldve never pleased you if this was your mindset going into it
>>722224620Now that you mention it I can absolutely see them adding platforming/battle challenges that you can only take with a specific crest
>>722226323I wonder what happened to the ants. Verdania got poisoned by the citadel (I think?), coral niggas got killed by climate change, Shellwood seems fine, maybe the whole of Pharloom was also nature at some point and Ny'leth dying changed that? But the ants are still around, their queen is alive even, they have non-entangled members like the merchant and the trapper dude. Really wish the dream area included a segment where we got to run around their weird ant tunnels, see all the beast shards and masks they've been collecting all game.
>>722227031They probably survived the longest out of all the civilizations in Pharloom, but there's not much you can do about a god with infinite range mind control powers
Any tips for Advanced Alchemy task? Is catching little buggers' charge head-on the only way? I kinda suck at timing that.
>>722225171I think you people are crazy.
>>722225863Nevermind...>>722226293I'm guessing it's meant to be the Bilewater Pinstress/Seamstress, the one you find the wreath of purity on. Not sure if the implication is that he murdered her in his quest for more power, but it is unfortunately literally the only Groal fanart I've seen.
>>722226986I think that's a fine complaint considering its the sequel, no? If the things added to the game feel like they've detracted from the fun of the original game ie the terrible overworld, horrible material system forcing the player to grind for shit to use any of the new items in the game, and like 90% of the items are useless anyways. I liked the parry addition a lot and overall the bosses in this game are higher quality than the first games, but its everything between those bosses just isn't nearly as fun, which is the bulk of the game.
>>722226293The Pin sisters are all 100% Stilkin.
>>722227234You can get some of the ceiling worms too in the right places. It's just finicky all around.
>>722227419The overworld is very good and fun to traverse (yes even Bilewater)The material system is fine, the only way you could run out of shards if you're playing architect and maxing everything out A lot of items aren't the greatest but there's a higher quantity of useful stuff compared to HK where you either go nail damage or spell damage with everything else being genuinely uselessI actually went back to HK and it instantly confirmed to me that I liked SS more, I think HK is a more cohesive experience but SS is just so much more fun to play imo
>>722227234Not really, the quest just sucks. There are 3 different enemies that give you the sauce and they all require tight timing. I would suggest just beelining down to fight the miniboss and milking him for all your samples.
so i got the fake ending and now I have to do all the sidequests just to progress further? think I'm gonna drop this. not in the mood for mmo quests
>>722227754The act 3 unlock is pretty gay. You don't have to do ALL of the quests, but nobody seems to have a concrete list of requirements yet. We know you have to find enough fleas to move the caravan to the final spot.It seems you also have to do MOST of the town quests, but not all, since we know some of them are still doable in Act 3.I won't blame you if you take a break.
>>722227691Actually looking at the full list of red tools the only tool that I would consider outright bad is rosary cannon, there's a couple mediocre tools like the rings or longpin but overall pretty much everything is usable. The only tools that I feel are lackluster are yellows, there's a definitely a couple of blues that are decent but not good enough to take priority that could've been made into yellows
>>722227528>>722227734Welp, about what I expected, thanks.
>>722212007High halls gauntlet is dogshit. The final two goobers take up like half the room and it's contact damage galore.
>>722210665This was my favorite fight because I used clawline instead of bait and punishing like a lil bitch
>>722224507People get frustrated because standard enemies are tougher, but it’s an adjustment that you get used to like any other in the game.
Why did they remove float override? Why won’t they give it back? This fucking sucks.
>>722226768I can never go back to Hollow Knight with Hornet being as fun to control as she is.
Playing an easier game after beating a tough one is relaxing.
How many gauntlets do i have to get through in the coral towers? This is kind of a lot, and having to go through each one again when i mess up, are the other hearts like this?
>>722227895You also need to get all the maps from Shakra and do her quest.
>>722228398Three, then you can open up a shortcut, after which you have to deal with just one more gauntlet and then the boss.
>>722228398I think it's 4 and the last one before the boss has a stalactite you can knock down as a shortcut to skip them later. The other hearts are not like that, they each have their own gimmick.
act 3 starts out as absolute kino and then falls off sharplya shame
>>722228131extra hp is one thing but the void attacks are just ass and the randomness of it doesn't help when you just want to get from point A to point B, even the flies in mount fay can shank you, in practice it looks like the entire map got filled with 2 types of enemies.It's one of those things that sound cool lorewise but don't feel great as a gameplay mechanic.
>>722228398One heart is an area you have to explore to collect points to unlock the boss and the other two hearts have you fight the boss straight away.
>>722210275I definitely wish that Silksong had harder platforming, sadly they had to make it baby easy because they knew that the diagonal pogo alone would have filtered people
The flea festival is cancer and anyone who enjoys this has bad tastes. Its not a terrible idea but i dont think theyre very fun. Flea dodge could have been cool but the platforms randomly popping up sucks.
>>722229118Agreed. I can excuse just about every other aspect of Silksong's brutality and cruelty as reflecting the nature of Pharloom as well, but why the fuck did they need to make the Russian gypsy bug festival so rage inducing ?
>>722226323Queening insects seem to grow forever in the HK universe. Vespa was normal size in Hornet's memory and as a dream ghost, but when she died she was as big as the Fourth Chorus
>>722222693Groal himself is kind of a piece of shit even without his runback in mind. He sometimes slams himself upward into you with almost no warning if you pogo, and his bombs also come out way too fast. Yes, he's vulnerable to multiple cheese strategies and doesn't have that much health, but he's mechanically very annoying to fight without tools.
>>722226323Makes you wonder whose skeleton we are walking through at the Marrow.
>>722229118Post skin color with timestamp.
Second Sentinel should have been recruitable for the High Halls gauntlet.
>>722224323Choral Chambers coming from the right mogs tears
>>722210275Path of pain wasn't in vanilla hk
>>722230002Why would he fight his masters
>>722230115Silksong was supposedly in development heaven
>>722230202And? Path of pain wasn't in vanilla hk
>>722230123You already see him butchering haunted enemies throughout Choral Chambers.
>>722216195you could have been so much more aggressive and still have room to avoid the attacks
I'm gonna say itSilksong is the best game made in the past decade
>>722224507The only major issue I have with Act 3 is that it's short and there isn't a whole lot of exploring. The only proper new levels are the Abyss and Verdania and there's not much to do in either. The Coral Tower isn't so much a level as just a long gauntlet.
>>722230824Wrong.https://store.steampowered.com/app/1430420/CBT_With_Yuuka_Kazami/However, it can be second place.
>>722224507Its an undercooked epilogue.
granny silk is making me act unwise
>>722225171I still can't tell if Trobbio has eyes or a moustache.
>>722225302Just make doors that only open when you have the right crest equipped.
I wish First Sinner was more difficult, the fight is incredible but its moveset is a little too honest
>>722231146>I wish the first sinner was a worse boss fight
>>722226592With Reaper crest you end up getting parries when you wanted normal melee hits a lot. I'm not sure having them grant silk is the solution, but they definitely need some reward besides preventing you from taking damage, because they don't let the enemy you were trying to hit take damage either.
is anyone actually playing this on console?
>>722231250If Silksong was an H-game Kratt would be the one character who never gets any
>>722226592>Tools and silk skills are powerful, but they cost resources, so people aren't willing to try themThe shard system is genuinely dogshit and never should've been implemented as the only thing it does is break the flow of the game and promotes mindless grinding.Tools are already limited per use between benches.
>>722228367What are you playing, anon?
>>722231395Just play with mods. I have no idea why they added world of warcraft shit
>>722228367yeah I went to replay the first game too
Does anyone think that the parasite was a rushed last addition idea ?It seems to have a lot of bugged dialogue in act 3 that still wasnt fixed I think.
>>722231146I don't want it less fair, I just want a harder version in whatever Silksong's Pantheon ends up being.
>lace can show up in Sinners Road if you took the convoluted path of getting the Dash, the wall cling and the bonebottom simple key to go from wormways to shellwood to greymoor?? Whyyy
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>>722210972275 rosaries per minute here if you're a sperg like me and can't go back to regular sprinting after knowing there's a faster wayhttps://litter.catbox.moe/a3rsne0czmm9igq6.webm
>>722231532The bonebottom door looks fancy enough to fool people into taking that route.
>>722231532So you don't enter the citadel and go "who is this bitch"
>>722231549>Hogs all your tools.
Why am i finding Clover Dancers so much harder than Cogwork aaaaaaahhhh
Is it me or was it way easier to get lost in HK than in SS?
>>722231649I give my lifeNot for honorBut for youIn my timeThere'll be no one elseSILKEATER
>>722231037I was pretty sure he was a kind of moth or something, but it would be funny if it turned out those were a moustache and his antennae were his eyes or something
>>722231676I just booted up a new HK file, SS definitely cut down on the amount of similar, parallel, long horizontal hallways throughout areas. Greenpath has like 3 separate areas that are a long tunnel of overgrown ruins with acid water, and then like 3 side-by-side vertical segments. It blends together a lot more- I don't remember having that issue nearly as much in SS.
>>722216024she sorta cares in her own autistic way. even the citadel keeper still gifts you a gramophone
