I have just spoken to certain people with insider information about Bungie. Feel free to assume larping afoot but this is 100% legitimate information.Bungie is weeks away from closing up shop completely. Worse than during Curse of Osiris. Hard confirmed people are openly searching for new jobs in the office because everyone knows the odds of the company surviving to see 2026 is extremely unlikely.Why? Marathon was expected to be out almost a year by this point with hopes extraction shooters would be the next battle royale and a younger userbase more open to monetisation and freemium models would replace Destiny entirely. This year of Destiny has been seat of their pants filler racing to meet every deadline to keep their single declining revenue stream from flatlining.The numbers were clear that after Marathons plagarism debacle putting it back to next spring at the earliest Bungie was running out of money. The CEO was forced to step down and a hasty restructure has lead to Bungie realising they need a BIG influx of player cash in November or they will die before December.The model they are following is Magic the Gatherings "Universes Beyond" and turning Destiny into a "Games as a Billboard" idea. Renting the gamespace out to other companies to let them sell a game without having to fund and make a whole game. The first Billboard project "Renegades" is turning Destiny into a Star Wars game as part of Disneys tactic to get more positive goodwill out of the ailing SW videogame market on the cheap. The hope is this releasing in November will be the make or break cash injection to save the company.If Renegades flops Destiny is dead. The company shutters, Sony will likely shut down servers if they don't keep it in maintenance mode because Destiny doesn't make any profit and only loses money by being a live product.I never thought it could get THIS bad.
>>722238206This is bullshit but I choose to believe it.
>I never thought it could get THIS bad.I have always known it was this bad, I'm actually impressed they lasted this long. And I don't even have any insider information, I'm literally an ocean away from their offices and even I can see the writing on the wall. Why couldn't you? Why couldn't Bungie themselves? Anyway, lmaoing @ their lives, dab, and pressing S to spit on their graves.
/v/ has already pointed out that all the high ups at bungie were just waiting for their big lump sum bonuses to hit from the Sony buyout and then abandoning ship. Bungie fleeced Sony and is now jumping ship so I wouldn’t be surprised if some serious shit is going down behind the scenes.
God I wish...I hate bungie so much for what they did to one of my favourite games.
>>722238532I think the fact they put in new leadership who have not said a single thing publicly as all their influencers are publicly dropping the game and decoupling their branding from said game says it all. These are people hoping for a few months extra paycheck and a higher position on their resume before the company collapses entirely.
bungie has done nothing of value since halo 3 bro. you didnt need to put this much effort or even post this at all.
>>722238380I genuinely think Bungie knew two years ago the company was on borrowed time and just really really hoped Marathon would be 2024's goty and Fortnite 2.
>>722238206BUNGIE IS NOT A COMPANY ANYMORE.Fucking, get it already.
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>>722238206>Broke: all the influencers like Datto are dropping the game because game bad>Woke: all the influencers like Datto are dropping the game because they have been in the offices and know which way the wind is blowing>Bespoke: all the influencers like Datto are dropping the game because its about to die and they don't want their branding to be associated with the ship right as it sinks
Remember when Microsoft refused to buy Bungie because even Phil Spencer, the man whos spent like 15 years consistently tanking Xbox, saw Bungie as a bad investment?
>>722238206Sony can't catch a break between Concord and this shit. Serves them right for banning mild cusswords in private messages and banning any URLs posted on Ps5. I hope the industry hard crashes and resets back to something worth playing. I want to go back to when the entire game was on the disk and any DLC was an actual expansion and not this nickel and dime shit. And just fucking stay at that point.
>>722239464Jim Ryans "oops all live service" mandate has kneecapped Sony for an entire generation. Astro Bot doing so well and being such a critical darling as a dozen billion dollar projects die is going to be seeing ramifications for years before recovery.
sounds made-up but would be funny if true
>>722238206All they had to do was make Halo and take the money but the dumb cunts thought they were better than they actually are. They got exactly what they deserved.
>>722239210They refused becsuse bungie wanted more money than they were worth.
>We are making a first person shooter mmo>You will explore the long abandoned ruins of humanities golden age>A time of mystery and intrigue as you take to the stars>Its going to be the ultimate shooter, heres Paul McCartney singing Hope for the Future. Do you feel it?>12 years laterDIRECTOR ROBERT B. WIEDE
>>722239559I don't know what retards thought that they could put out a new forever-game that could compete with already established IPs. Everything that's came out within the past few years reeks of "design by committee" of people who have absolutely no pulse on how the market actually works or what most gamers actually want.
>>722238206Was the Star Wars DLC a desperation move?
>>722239792Its the reason western AAA as a whole is dying and it was inevitable>games overtake movies in revenue around 2007>old media buy majority shares in western companies>its now all about endless year on year forevergrowth 2 DA MOOOOOON>shocking this wasn't sustainable at all, doubly so as the economy collapses and orange man tariffs kneecap hardware sales and software production>but don't worry lads, AI and live service? thats turning shit into gold. We are literally printing money out of thin a-OH NOyou are now here.
>>722238206am i supposed to care? the only thing they made worth giving a shit about is halo and thats been ruined years ago
>>722240118Sure Bungie has turned to shit but 343 is making a Halo CE remake in unreal largely constructed by AI by mandate of their indian ceo that fell for a techbro grift.T-the futures so bright you gotta wear shades saar...
The game is currently on sale, but when I found out they were collaborating with Star Wars, I even changed my mind about buying it at a discount.
>>722240238But aren't you excited? didn't you clap when you saw stormtrooper cabal? and AT ST's???OH MY GOD I FUCKING LOVE STAR WARS. I SIGNED UP FOR DESTINY FOR FUCKING STAR WARS ADVERTS THAT CHARGE 70 FUCKING DOLLARS
>>722240436Byfs gonna put a gun in his mouth and pull the fucking trigger holy shit its an advert expansion.
>>722240519he tried to kill himself before, but he failed
China will save Destiny
>>722240658Hes gonna be halfway through recording a line about how, actually, w-when you think about it the light being a representation of the force and The Witness being retconned to be a Sith lords apprentice makes a lot of sense when you think about it only to just pick up a glass and smash it into his face repeatedly until he doesn't feel feelings anymore.>>722240747Actually no, turns out Rising flopped with a massively underperforming launch window and continues the trend of shooters going mobile and flopping. Happened to Cawadoody and Apex no surprise it happened to an IP as poisonous as Destiny. Would you sign up to "they made Destiny into a chinese mobile gacha?"
>>722239827They had a contract with Disney to release a Marathon season focused on Star Wars, but that game hasn't launched yet, as you know, so they had to rework it into Destiny.
>>722240658the rope couldn't support his fat ass
>If X flops Destiny is deadYou have been saying this since vanilla D1I have no love for the game, just saying.
>>722241151I always think back to Jeff Gerstmann losing it on the bombcast and its as true today as it was then.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-TIrS7ukyk
>>722240841Everyone who played Rising speaks positively about it. It's just that the game may have had a slow start because no one was expecting it and because Destiny 2 fucked up its brand. Not to mention that all this guesswork based on Sensor Tower numbers isn't necessarily something to take seriously.
>>722241289it made barely 9 million dollars when games in the same time launch and make closer to 40 million. Its well made its simply not seeing the numbers it needs to survive.
>>722238206Nah. I mean I wish you were right, but these companies don't "close up shop" from one month to the next. Renegades was probably a thing more than a year ago; this isn't some "emergency" type of expansionThey deserve all they're getting though. I've never seen a bunch of liars playing the victim card so often as the bungie staff do. They will push their playerbase to the brink of collapse and then pull the "oops, we're human, we missed the mark, we're listening" before throwing them a very small bone that will make them happy for a month or two before slowly but surely start screwing with everyone again. Repeat the cycle for 11 yearsI truly do hope they go under. No one in that company deserves any sympathy; they've made billions but cannot implement basic systems to save their lives
>>722238206As a Reach hater, good.
>>722241548Bungie actually said at GDC years back Curse of Osiris was so bad they were going to shut their doors in a few weeks if they didn't totally lock in and pull every trick out their ass they could.I know its shocking to think about but most big game companies survive on inertia between products and if a couple of bad months occur anything can die.
>>722241404This game is essentially made on D2 assets; it doesn't need big numbers to survive, and I mentioned the reasons for the slow start above.
>>722241778>It doesn't need big numbers to surviveName a single mobile game that didn't shut down due to numbers.
>>722238206Reminder: the new lead is the guy who made the Library level in Halo CE knowing it was shit and rushed the job to get more vacation time.
>>722241926Tower of Fantasy. And in general, you are drawing too far-reaching conclusions from these far-fetched graphs.
>>722241987wtf real?
>>722242150Real babygirl.
>>722239016Did Datto pivot to a different game already?
>>722242374I think he's trying variety and claiming its "because destiny community is too toxic" but its probably also because he didn't know his webcam was on and he was cross dressing in a bunny girl outfit and probably expects the destiny audience to drop him when he becomes she.
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>>722242546T-trust the plan bros, Marathon will make me god..
>>722238206If only anon, if only...
>>722238532Pretty based honestly let's just hope Marathon collapses after the plagiarism and lack of interest from players
>>722238206>I have just spoken to certain people with insider information about BungieStopped reading here. You don't need insider info to see the writing on the wall. Bungie was fucked with Lightfall. Everything after has been one long death rattle.
>>722238206I honestly dont care, all they make is live service slop anyway. Good riddance.
>>722238206GOD DAMMIT I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT FUCK DURANDAL.
>>722238206No fate is too cruel for the people and the company that fucked over Marty O'Donnell. It wasn't just treacherous, it was incredibly stupid, too.
>>722244154Didn't he end up being a schizoid grifter?
>>722238206PLEASE
>>722244608Geniuses can be whatever the fuck they want. The dude made the musical score for Halo, which is like, half of its identity. You don't let go of people like that, ever.Also he was one of the owners. They were made a bunch of empty promises by Activision and once it was clear that they were going to interfere with development as much as they wanted, O'Donnell was against it until they cut him loose.
>>722243049I'm just learning about this plagiarism debacle, did it really affect the game that bad?
Sony paid 3.6 BILLION for Bungie. They do not have a single IP they owned prior to Destiny that was worth a thing. Clearly, they were shown Marathon and thought that was what they were buying. It didn't pan out.If Bungie shuts down, the entire investment goes up in smoke. No Marathon, no IPs, no developers to bring into other studios, no income trickle from Destiny. Literally >money stolen
>>722245214The games entire art style was lifted and they have had to start over.Spoiler it just looks like Destiny now.
>>722245519no fucking way.
>Bungie hasn't made anything good in 20 yearsRaiding is peak gaming (bonus: Day 1 raiding), no matter how shitty the rest of the game is.People who say otherwise are probably raidlets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i746yVpd7VY>>722245214This is about the fifth plagiarism incident, by the way.
>>722241276Not too far removed from how I feel about Marathon, which is especially weird considering I "saw through" what Destiny was doing well before it was released.
>>722245519>>722246029what's the qrd here? How the fuck do you get caught plagarising 5 times?!
>>722245894True but only because tense situations engaged woth other human beings leave good memories. Take off raids, and the game becomes a threadmill trap.
>>722246113Chronic incompetence. Also blame-deflection: it was always a rogue contract worker, because it's totally not the responsibility of management to catch this shit.For example: the Marathon incident involved wholesale stealing shit from an artist who was followed BY THE ART TEAM on Twitter, for years.
>>722238206Fake or not, I find this entirely believable. Player sentiment is truly lower than it was during Curse of Osiris, and I'm pretty sure player numbers are lower than that period as well. They had such a good win with The Final Shape, but player trust had already been stretched so thin and the "Episodes" were pretty poorly received, so they couldn't hold that high at all.Then Edge of Fate came out and legitimately killed this game. Regardless of the content, story, etc., the overall changes to the game's core loot system was the final nail in the coffin.I don't want to regrind higher tiers of weapons.I don't want to regrind for more armor.I don't want to grind at all. I've been sick of RNG for a long time.I just want to have fun playing the game with friends.Add on top of that the gluttonous microtransactions, the stupid political activity Bungie injects into their game, and everything else over the years of D2, yeah, I'm kinda glad its finally dying for good. Legit the quality of my life has improved since stopping.And I hope the death of Bungie and D2 makes companies all over the gaming industry pause and rethink. Would be great if the death of Bungie is what causes companies to shift to being more player friendly for once.
>>722245214It was so bad, in the already twice rescheduled livestream that followed the plagiarism debacle they couldn't show ANY gameplay whatsoever. You basically got to watch two guys, one of which was the art director, fumble for an hour straight while looking dead inside
I got to listen to one of my baby cousins complain about the current state of Destiny the last time I saw her. Shit was amusing.
>>722238206Say it ain't so!
>>722245214It all but killed any desire to play it my friend who wanted me to play it with him had.
One of the most hilarious live streams ever. Note the complete lack of life in the art director.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qORBkGmHaoQ
>>722238206I'm not sure if this is plausible since they released destiny mobile and that's had to have given them some influx of cash.
>>722246678>the overall changes to the game's core loot system was the final nail in the coffin.How was it changed? I already hated re-grinding light levels every expansion back when I still played, I can't imagine how they could have made it any worse
>>722245519so it doesn't even look like the alpha from 4 or 5 months ago? or is that the final look?
Anyone have a qrd for what happened to destiny 2? I stopped right after release with the absolutely dogshit mars expansion that was like 1 tiny farming area
>>722238206> They were responsible for fucking up every SONY studio so that Marathon would succeed.> They gave Concord the green light because they had their nepofriends in the ranks of Firewalk.> They fucked up Fairgames by preventing it from being a PAYDAY 4 set during Prohibition and turning it into Fortnite Quirkychungus 2.> The Gummy Bears guy said they're working under crunch to save Gummy Bear, which has been restarted three times or something like that.If I were SONY, I would publicly execute them, lmao.
>>722238206> Games As BillboardYeah I can see this, even if you wanna say game is old and it’s inevitable, the fact how “it’s a brand new saga of Destiny” and attempt to refresh new story telling, doing the cross promo vanity DLC this soon especially when Destiny has like no content and is sticking to just these first halves of the DLC being anything sums it all up. The further lean in with the cash shop is no mistake either to extract from remaining whales, there had been more surveys for the kinds of armor design and theming for cash shop stuff that state of the game
>>722247054...gummy bear?
>>722245519you can't steal a style. The plagiarism issue was because works that someone else created were directly copied into the game, either as is or just doing a vertical/horizontal flip. That is the issue, not doing something following an existing style, you cannot steal a style period.
>>722246895Rumor is that they burned through it quickly. Bungie is notorious for having a high "burn rate" of cash.Most of it went probably went to the management -- who for some bizarre, unknowable reason decided that they deserve most of that money.>>722246974>an executive suite that is openly hostile toward its paying customers>predatory monetization (see previous; the more money the game makes, the more they personally make)>a diverse, equitable, and inclusive payroll>>722247225One of Bungie's many ambitious incubation projects that got canned or moved to Sony studios. Note that these projects were funded entirely by Destiny 2 customers expecting improvements to Destiny 2.
>>722238206>Bungie is weeks away from closing up shop completely>If Renegades flops Destiny is dead. well which is it?renegades is 8 weeks awaywhen you say "weeks away" that means like a few or maybe MAYBE 58 weeks you would say "months"so you are esl or larping and so retarded you cant keep the story straight in your own post.regardless, i believe you implicitly.
>>722247225https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/721676109/#721676109
>>722246924They had it confirmed publically that at least in part art assetts were copy pasted from someones blog. The whole thing becomes suspect and -most importantly to the c suite- hard to copyright. So they had to start over and realism is the quickest thing to output when they can recycle destiny shit.
>>722246897Now theres a light grind but weapons have tiers of the same weapon to grind on top of that.
>>722238206To me it was over when they said that they were going to sell more destiny expansions for the same price with way less content.That's like the last thing you wanna hear if you play a game.They were really banking on marathon to be their next big thing lol
>>722246897It’s basically dragged out by tenfold and you don’t start getting gear you actually would want to keep until very late in a monotonous grind. They shifted goal post of getting to end cap where it’s now more just for no lives than some usual expectation because of how the final 50 levels to the end cap is a complete gated slog dripfeed and only got changed from random chance of a increase to steady low +1 or so . Not dissimilar to the bullshit Blizz pulled early Diablo4 where nobody gave a shit about fighting a lvl 70 boss when you want gear that’s at 100
>>722246113>How the fuck do you get caught plagarising 5 times?!they left the original artist's watermark in the textures
>>722247458>2D MOBAgrim, truly grimi bet they wanted to pivot it or are pivoting it to be 3D because of deadlock lmao
>>722247458>2D mobaThis has got to be real, no one would make up something this stupid
>>722247458Who the fuck makes these disgusting, ugly art styles? Who's that for? Tumbler? Like my god has america lost it's touch. You guys need to be replaced by Chinese.
>>722242452[Good News] he's fucked anyway because he has absolutely 0 value outside of being the D2 "urmm acktually" guy that knows every perk detail and encounter by memory. nobody will watch that mekon-head twink freak for any other reason and has been crying about his dying content for months now.
A good and polished extraction shooter would have sold very well on playstation, but man the AAA studio couldn't even do that
>>722242374>>722242452In late 2023 Datto had plans to do a second channel and basically spend time off Destiny once Final Shape released in early 2024, delay threw that off so he basically never took a larger break off game and then he got slapped with reality that nobody gives a fuck about him enough to see him pivot. He waited too long to realize that his entire circumstance was more luck and less charisma or talent being able to talk about anything. The meme thrown around is how he very casually said how he would get “an easy 50k per video in a week or two on second channel” and he’s got tons of new and years old videos that barely cracked 4-5k. The guy actually might full time troon out at this rate
>>722245214The stream they did also had fucked audio which just hammered home how incompetent they are.
>>722238206Aren't they a wholly owned subsidiary of Sony? Pretty sure that Sony isn't going bankrupt (yet).
Microsoft should save them by giving them the next Halo
>>722251323Microsoft said no to a proper official Halo collab for Bungie's 30th Anniversary, they also didn't pursue purchasing them while they were independent. Fucking Microsoft's gaming division, the inept company it is, were smart enough to not get involved with current day Bungie. Fucking 3.6 Billion, Sony are fucking insane and Bungie lawyers must be absolutely incredible.
>>722251323lol microsoft's own gaming company is next on the chopping block.
>>722238206I actually believe this. I interviewed with Bungie in 2020 and their offer was a paltry $76k and you had to work IN OFFICE. At least lunch was catered? I said no thanks and went to a hospital for double. Bungie is cucked from every angle. Always has been.
>bungie goes bankrupt>studio veterans decide to make an indie group and develop smaller gamesHell Yeah!!
>>722238206>hopes extraction shooters would be the next battle royalebeyond delusion, holy fuck just close this company down
>>722251145Sony has money yeah, but that doesn't mean that they want to burn money like crazy on Bungie, especially with the failure of Concord and their other live service projects. Bungie already wasted a ton of money on projects that were scrapped and went nowhere, like other games or even multimedia projects, and MS noted in their 2023 ActiBlizz FTC filing that they would have bought Bungie again, but chose not to because the company has a high "burn rate" (IE they're terrible with money and quickly go through it). >>722248530How they pitched project Gummy Bears in their 2023 newsline was >"One of our favorite incubation projects is a team-based action game inspired by several genres in a brand-new, science-fantasy universe. It draws inspiration from fighting games, platformers, MOBAs, life sims, and frog-type games, wrapped up in a lighthearted, comedic world." - Bungie on TwitterIts as weird and nonsensical as you'd expect and proof that most of the talent left the studio well before now.
>>722238206Cool, now take your meds
>>722252126So you applied to a level 1 helpdesk position while having the experience for something far greater, and got offended that they wanted to pay you what the job entailed? Why did you even apply?
>>722241404Why lie?
>>722246350Its amazing how they could have just contacted the artist and hired for cheap and have avoided all of thisThey took the Gearbox approach and it backfired because they showed it before the game was even out
>>722239707>>722239210they didnt buy bungie because bungies "high burn rate" was too much even for the literal infinite cash reserves that xbox/microsoft has.then sony bought them for $3.6billion(lol)
>>722238206even thinking from the most greedy capitalist mindset imaginable how did they think that onboarding process would be profitable in the long term.i have tried to get people into destiny multiple times and 100% drop it after the first hour and a half
At this point, I want Destiny to be "finished", as in majority of the content is returned to the game, campaign/raids/strikes/destinations/maps and it's put into maintenance mode in it's least perverted state. I can give a miss to the seasons if need be, I will be forever baffled they wasted dev time making content that was just acceptable enough to play but not engaging enough to keep in the game long term, like not even expanding the game just adding a temporary treadmill every three months. The documentary about what the fuck happened inside Bungie that will come out in 10-20 years time will be more narratively engaging than the entire story of Destiny.
>>722238206THOSE FUCKING NIGGERS BETTER NOT DIE BEFORE THEY GIVE ME MY ONI REMASTERI'VE STOOD VIGIL FOR 24 YEARS LIKE A WIDOW WHOSE HUSBAND WAS LOST AT SEATHEY CAN'T DO THIS TO ME
>people saying Pete Parsons will cut and run once Marathon flops for years>Pete Parsons cuts and leaves around time Marathon was supposed to be outTruly shocking and unexpected
>>722253324He's dead sweatyMove on
>>722253324Why would you want current bungie to deliver any videogame? You're better off hoping they'll sell their lesser known IPs to other developers who actually care.
>>722253110>The documentary about what the fuck happened inside Bungie that will come out in 10-20 years time will be more narratively engaging than the entire story of Destiny.I work there and I look forward to this so much.
>>722247458>very large blue haired trans female named Big Candaceyknow if the west just made characters like Alluka or Pico there'd probably be a lot more support for this kinda stuff. hindsight is 20/20 ig
>>722245214As a frame of reference, a lot of the art was so directly stolen from its source that several textures shown IN GAME still had the artist's watermark visibly and sloppily obscured with an airbrush tool in photoshop.
>>722253067Its not about them thinking with their greedy capitalist brains for onboarding, they only wanted to milk the existing playerbase for every single dime they could get from them. It shows too with Eververse getting most of the armor sets, Dungeon keys, premium editions for the expansions, ect with most of the casual playerbase barely getting any support. Its not that Bungie is smart or cunning, their employees are just lazy as shit and would rather that any new F2P players be forced to learn the game than walk them through it. They'd even rather have players look up external guides or even lore/campaign videos on youtube than find a way to compress the assets enough to still keep them in the game.
>>722253893I believe you but its funny taking that into account with their constant stories of crunch and toxic workplace environments and rushing to meet deadlines. might be one of the worst managed companies in the gaming industry, honestly.
>>722248910It's a poor attempt at copying Spiderverse's style.
>>722253584Idk if you really do but I'll ask anyway, and because I want to believe.What the fuck happened in 2013 that caused the reboot, was it really Staten's supercut presentation?Additionally, what the fuck happened in relation to everything about Lightfall?
>>722245214If you want to know how hard Bungie fell from grace as a studio since the Halo or even Destiny 1/Forsaken days, all you need to do is look at shit like this. They're straight up pulling a Gearbox and stealing shit from other artists, but somehow in an even more slapdash and amateurish way.
>>722252126wrong, i applied for a level 2 engineering position and was offered level 3 suck my dicks and copego pick berries btw
>>722238206Bungie died slowly over 12 years ago. Halo: Reach was fun, but not as fun as Halo 1, you could tell there was more polish, but fewer good ideas.From what I can tell, the people microsoft brought into Bungie after acquiring them are the people who ultimately killed Bungie. They drove out the original people who were what bungie actually was, and the dei-woke libtard religion similarly eviscerated the entire software industry and made it impossible to hire anyone who wasn't a colossal delusional moron or prevent people from turning into delusional morons.You can really see the effects of the libtards as they blame the customers for not buying anything.Then add increasing monetization to try and screwball the few people who do pay anything and you've now got woke libtard games that nobody wants to play and if you do play you have to piss money every day for it.anyway good fucking riddance. This isn't Bungie dying, this is some zombie/skinwalker monster full of mental rejects pretending to be bungie.
if they really are changing the artstyle, that would be hilarious.the artstyle was the ONE THING that the general public knew and attached themselves about the game. they had no details about what made marathon different from other extraction shooters, so they didn't think about it. all the marketing and hype was around the aesthetic. so if that gets thrown away, nobody's gonna buy this shit.
They could have saved their company by making Marathon their new Halo, a decade long billion dollar series to revitalize everything and secure another place in vidya historyIt was right there. The foundation already built and everything.Instead they went full retard.
>>722254194>What the fuck happened in 2013 that caused the reboot, was it really Staten's supercut presentation?Can't answer any more than already stated suppositions, I started way later (around Forsaken)>Additionally, what the fuck happened in relation to everything about Lightfall?Narrative is a consistently shifting department that has had a fuckload of problems pretty much every year I've been around. I don't play Destiny, and I don't work on it, but my understanding of Lightfall's fuckups were primarily tone/narrative related, while the gameplay/content design was generally fine - just the framing for getting to it was fucked. This is kind of why I look forward to some documentary, the studio is too big to really know what's happening big picture anymore, and nothing's transparent, the explanations given at large for why things went wrong is usually 'strong market headwinds' or some bullshit like that, mixed with over-confident speeches that 'the next thing will surprise and delight our players'.
>>722254826>It was right there. The foundation already built and everything.was it? i dont think the extraction gameplay model is wide enough for a billion dollar franchise.
>>722254967Think anon is saying to specifically NOT bastardize an existing fps franchise into an always online extraction shooter.
>>722255043marathon is not an existing fps franchise. it was an extraction shooter from the start....unless there's some huge context im missing.
>>722254967please learn to read before replying to a post
>>722254481In M$'s defense, they had a good reason to bring people over to Bungie. And that's because Halo 2's development was such a clusterfuck that they had to be tardwrangled into fixing it and especially Halo 3. They were essentially Bioware where the game only pulled through at the 11th hour; that isnt a good foundation for having a long running studio.
>>722238206no developer would share a literal essay of information with an outsider. you would have had to talk with them for hours. the standard developer wouldn't even know most of this. you would have to be talking with an executive. kill yourself you larping fag.
>>722251145Why would Sony want to continue funding a failing studio?
>>722255126There is some huge context you are missing. Marathon's a 3 game trilogy from the Doom era that predates Halo, you can play it if you want by looking up "Aleph One Marathon"
>>722255408Oh.Why change the aesthetic style so much then. these are two completely different styles of sci fi. Just make a new IPand yes I know the answer is that they're retarded
>>722245214No, it didn't affect the game that bad, it just gave leftists an excuse to hate bungie, the art style itself isn't something you can plagiarize (that isn't how plagiarism works), but a lot of retards think that's how it works. The problem is they had actual assets from an artist who wasn't hired to produce those assets for the game, they were stolen, and the art director wasn't on top of it like he should've been (nor has he been fired over it)What's really affected the game badly was the plagiarism scandal one-shot their advertising attempts to convince people the art style was actually nice when most people weren't feeling it, which then degraded further as players got to see how marathon looked: hot air with nothing substantial or exciting to show for itself and that's when player interest completely tanked and they decided to rework it.The plagiarism was a small thing in legal terms, they only have to remove the artist's specific stolen assets, but it helped contribute to negative customer sentiment, and the negative sentiment (further worsened by how badly bungie has treated their destiny playerbase) is ultimately the real problem affecting the game.This is why you don't act like libtards and tell your customers they're the problem all the time.
>>722255324>>722252284My point isn't that it is a good idea to keep funding Bungie. My point is that they aren't "running out of money" the way that the OP portrays it. As long as Sony has money, they have money. Also, even if that weren't the case, businesses don't close up shop because they are out of money. They close up shop once they have no money, creditors won't give them any more loans, and the investors decide to liquidate. As far as Sony goes, good luck convincing any executives to admit that Bungie was a horrible purchase.
>>722245519You cannot steal an art style, retardstop talking about shit you don't understand
Sony biggest successes the past 2 gens:>GoW reboot/sequel, a 3rd person action game , single player >Last of Us, third person shooter with some pretend-stealth, single player>Tsushima, 3rd person action game, single player >Spiderman, open world action game, single playerImagine how fucking retarded you have to be to then DROP all single player stuff, and try to force live service bullshit onto the market
>>722255847And before some snarky fuck says Helldivers 2, Sony had so little confidence in it, it released day1 on Steam and it's the top platform for it.
>>722238206They all deserve to die. Cut the bloat. If you can’t survive on destiny level income, you are way too fat. Look at no man’s sky. They all got rich and still fix their game. No absurd revenue streams. Studios should stay hungry and indie level. Now you get corporate bloat so bad your product sucks and can’t generate enough revenue to cover your massive useless overhead.
>>722255552To elaborate on "they're retarded" - suits think name recognition will help with Bungie's older fans. For a less retarded reasoning: it gives the game a rich narrative setting to build off of instead of having to think up something new. Marathon is known for having a wild setting with the kind of lore that some people are still debating/talking about to this day, that was delivered in a manner that's low effort but high return and easily replicable to this day. The most obvious current parallel being Souls games that deliver a narrative/lore through item descriptions and small amounts of extremely vague dialogue that demands inference. It could be argued Marathon as it stands today is more known for that setting and narrative style than it is for its gameplay, and that shifting the gameplay loop away from linear progression to an extraction shooter loop is less of a bastardization than it'd appear just looking at screenshots.The game is still going to fail miserably no matter how far someone can stretch to justify its existence
>>722238206It's bullshit, but I believe it. Destiny 2 literally denying Linux users because of retarded anticheat is the number one reason I never even played it.
>>722255552>Why change the aesthetic style so much then. these are two completely different styles of sci fi. Just make a new IPbecause they1: already have an ip they arent currently using2: that ip is known by gamers3: they can "sell" the idea internally better than a wholly new ip
>>722255992>all deserve to dieBloated corporate gaming companies I mean. The actual devs have made some solid products.
>>722256152they also just banned whole regions of the world from playing the game(probably because of sony)meaning if you are from that region and bought the game/content/cosmetics they just stole that from you(again)
>>722256152>>722256249>less than 20k people playing it.I still seethe that they removed past expansions from the game, as in no longer have the ability to go and play through them. I stopped playing years ago and I don't plan on coming back to this shit game. I can see Bungie learning nothing and Marathon being shit too.
>>722256632Post the actual numbers found on Warmind.io disingenuous retard.
>>722245214The art style was half the appeal. Extraction shooters are not new, it's all about flavor.
>>722238206Bungie died like 20 years ago, no idea what you mean by this shit.
>>722256768I'm not using a tranny discord bot for a dying game.
>>722255552I mean Bungie is retarded as fuck, that much has been obvious if you've been following the studio since Destiny 2. But the reason why they didn't make it a new IP is simple, and that's because Bungie's leadership was possibly aware of the fact that the studio is known mostly for being shit than for good in recent years. They are carried extremely hard by their reception from the days of Halo and Destiny 1, and even Macintosh gaming, while D2 is only carried hard by delusional whales that they deliberately provide mediocre content to because they don't want to "overdeliver" and microtransactions. To at least catch the attention of mainstream gamers again, even with negative publicity, they probably thought it would be easier to attach themselves to an IP that hasn't been touched at all since the late 90s.
>>722238206>Bungie will die before Halo Studios in your lifetime
>>722256768>only this specific website is validWOAH! BDF outside of /dg/
>>722256768>N-no you need to - you need to u-use my discord bot to know the real player numbers
>>722238206goodfuck bungie
>>722257003>not dead naming 343they haven't EARNED the Halo name
>>722256768I checked that site and I couldn't find an accurate playercount for shit on consoles, and I dont want to create an account just to find out. Not that it matters because the Steam player count already paints enough of a picture for us, and that is the fact that the playerbase has been declining since The Final Shape launched. This is possibly the worst shape that the franchise has ever been in ages, even during the Curse of Osiris era.
Why not just use the marathon engine and assets they worked on to make a series of single player games?
>>722257720holy shit lmao its really grave
>>722257826>why wont they do smart things, are they stupid?you wont believe this...
>>722257626343 died when the feminists were kicked out, they're Halo Studios now because it's led by men now.
>>722257984I just don't get it honestly, why is every single big gaming company dedicated to putting all of their eggs in one basket. Just have one of your teams work on the engine your company uses and have as many teams of 100 people max making games with that engine as possible.You will pump out misses but you will also have hits too, if one is a hit make sequals for that game.I genuinely don't know why they are incapable of doing what worked in the 90s and 2000s. it's like we have had nothing but retards in charge of budgets for the last 15 years. Out of hundreds of major game releases there have been a handful of breakout hits. With the rate things are going to have a 0.1% chance of that project you spent the GDP of a small country making having any return at all but they keep trying to roll that dice.
>>722258024343 had a lot more issues than retarded women in high positions. Enjoy seeing CE butchered again later this month.
>>722254915This is why I hate corpo talk being used to mask everything internally at times because they either know how bad things are, and don't want to lower morale further or they're just trying to cover screw ups, along with anything else. Transparency saves more time at cutting through the bullshit, and if you still have people willing to put the legwork in you could get shit done without being cloak and dagger about it.
I wonder if Snoy can sue the higher ups for negligence.I want everyone responsible to burn in some way.
>>722238206DOUBLE AUGHT IS COMING BACK BABY.
>>722239827>OP explicitly states the star wars dlcs is a desperation move>IS THE STAR WARS DLC A DESPERATION MOVE?!??!??
>>722256962Bungie also really bought in(obv they aren't alone in convo of entertainment companies as a whole) to hedged bet ronatimes budgeting and projections. They had a lot of these side projects in the wings that iirc were technically things that had some basis in Destiny(people said that extraction darkzone like mode was going to be a new gambit mode), and I think Bungie figured they could just make a whole suite of games, pump shit out and see what sticks to the wall. You also consider ex employee and industry vet chatter of employment pension schemes and how there's still a few old heads at Bungie who are looking to cash out especially now that there was no gravy train on those 2020 habit based future projections. People bring up the Chris Barrett lawsuit and figures he threw around as potential as to what some of these residual old heads are trying to take with them. I also recall some saying that Marathon was so behind schedule(it's Alpha originally was supposed to be in Late 2023), and people talking how it very well could've been rushed as a dud, just to make a few bucks on curious fanboys and see what happens. But Alpha reception was bad and it really had them probably rethinking shit.
>>722243049Marathon is going to be Concord 2.0. Sony should've cut their losses and cancelled the game instead of sinking more money into getting the corpse across the finish line.
>>722254915>Lightfall's fuckups were primarily tone/narrative related, while the gameplay/content design was generally fineNo wonder the game's been dead since Season of the Seraph if people AT Bungie actually think the gameplay design and changes of Lightfall were anything other than insultingly bad. Glad every single content creator turbonigger whose been feeding them their retarded objectively incorrect opinions over the years is getting double fucked over. Except Aztecross, of course, but it makes sense in a group of hundreds at least one person would have enough natural charisma to survive post Destipocalypse.
>>722254915I always heard from industry people Bungie is like going into a business and they're still using Windows 98 and trying to have you believe that you are an idiot because you don't want to use Win98, just ass backwards on what else exists. Confirm/deny?
>>722249209I don't think so, unless it's a casualized extraction shooter like Helldivers or DRG. Full loot PvP games are always going to be niche.
>>722254481>more polishI don't know if I'd consider "now our games run at an even lower framerate!" much for polish.
we could have get a narrative kino series that is destiny all we get is some live service slops
>>722255965And then they tried to gut their golden goose just to pump PSN subscriber numbers
>>722258913>I think Bungie figured they could just make a whole suite of games, pump shit out and see what sticks to the wallThat's standard operating procedure when you're trying to pimp your company out to prospective buyers and can point to all these new exciting projects that can potentially bring value to your buyer.
>>722259054Eh like I said I don't play Destiny or even work on it, so it's not surprising to hear that my understanding is wrong. It's definitely colored by my coworkers who are more involved and may be willfully ignorant. Given the way things have gone since Lightfall it's not like I'm all that confident anyone really understands what's going wrong. It feels like people have ideas that they know players will like, but are usually denied in favor of the planning that was already done on the core structure - TFS didn't feel like a fundamental>"Let's make it better going forward"moment so much as>"Let's delay it and shove in like 10 of those ideas that people will like with crunch">>722259075As an analogy for the internal tooling set for the engine and content creation, yeah that's pretty accurate. For the actual technology LIKE Windows, no it's actually pretty ahead of the pack as game studios go. Like source control, patch management, VPN/Remote working tech and all that shit.
>>722258898I can't read. What of it?
>>722260280Know anything about what happened with Project Payback???
>>722260280>It's definitely colored by my coworkers who are more involved and may be willfully ignorant.Sounds about right. Can't blame you for going along with it when you admitted to not touching the game, which is the objectively correct opinion, so good on you there Anon. Hope you land on your feet when Bungie crumbles and dies.
>>722260603I do, but I don't want to talk about anything that's not already basically public knowledge. Little as I like the studio right now it's still my career. From a google search, the wiki doesn't seem crazy inaccurate about what it was/how it got shelved.
>>722257720 steam accounts for roughly 15 percent of the destiny 2 playerbase
Destiny fans deserve it lol.
>>722238206Oh no, next you'll tell me the sky is blue and water is wet.
>>722262915Certainly, but its still representative of a trend. And that's the fact that D2 is dying a slow and painful death, made worse by the fact that they are padding out this year with an inhumane grind to make up for having zero content.
>>722260603It was cancelled, they already said it was supposed to be Destiny 3
>>722238206BASEDFINALLYTOTAL BUNGIE DEATH FOR WHAT THEY DID TO SAINT
>>722262915Sure Tyson, go back to your fishing hole and just let it die.
>>722258497The women were some of the biggest issues, that's why Halo 4 and 5 were the way they were along with the TV series. Women just suck and should never be allowed to become leaders.
>>722264957
>>722238206Literally all they had to do was taken king, but better.
>drastically change style and art from original game for the remake.>So much of this new style is stolen that they have to re-do the entire game from scratch Good. Fuck em.
>>722238206Source: dude trust me
>>722239016Fuck Datto. All the reasons that faggot is dropping D2 are all things his retard ass spent years begging for.
>>722238206Didn't they make concord and then that horrid shooter game with all the androgynous mercs with lipstick on? Would not even remotely surprise me if they failed. Who were those games even made for? Their primary audience are white and asian men. Your average dude doesn't want to play as that. Not to mention the established characters shit is only really good for moba's.
>>722258024i will call them Halo Studios when they produce a worthy halo entry, i.e. never gonna happen.
>>722245091Considering their interference lead to Forsaken and the golden age of Destiny 2 I really, really wish we could get Activision to interfere again.
>>722238206This actually might be fucking real. Didnt believe you until I read the star wars thing, some random destiny 2 youtuber who someone else clipped mentioned that he has 2 videos in the works and that "one of them is on a death star."
>>722268936UUUUUMMMMMMMM ACKSHUALLY I he never asked for the community to be so toxic???
>>722239559>live service>antagonism to customers>aesthetics and art design choices that are completely anathema to their main customerbase>Abandonement of almost all exclusives>Increased prices on consoles, games, and even services for all I knowIt's not even a surprise they're doing bad. It's like they failed the common sense roll, like 3 dozen times in a row. Who the fuck are they trying to get to buy their shit?
everyone who took halo in a direction I dislike deserves to be shot into the sun
I'm shocked Bungie has survived for this long honestly. Hasn't this company been a dumpsterfire for like a decade now? I remember their engine pipeline being absolutely fucked and if they wanted to make the smallest change to Destiny they had to recompile the entire game everytime
>>722269113oops, I just killed my studio, WITH MY MIND
>>722238206They deserve to go bankrupt over creating this shit
>>722269234Middle aged losers have been propping them up the entire time unironicly. Dad gamers who played Halo 1 when it came out who only play Destiny 2 somehow as their only game even through all the shit.>Man who's alcoholic father has a gaming PC exclusively to play Destiny 2 for maybe 8 hours total in a month but still buy all the DLCs while saying how terrible the game is.
>>722269234The Beyond Light expansion should have been Destiny 3. That was when they had to sunset everything because the game got too big for the engine to handle. But they didn't want to risk losing any players in the transition so instead they stole your paid content, made all your guns irrelevant, and just kept going.
>>722240052don't forget making games for the mythical "modern audience" which next to noone has managed to find. Hard to get customers when gamers are dead and you're not making games for them anymore.
>>722269592I mean them just deleting content from the game for no reason should've been the straw that broke the camel's back, but everyone kept playing anyway.
>>722269234They were extremely close to dying with vanilla D2 actually, the game was so bad compared to D1 in terms of QOL features, difficulty and build variety that if it weren't for Forsaken doing well enough financially, they would have been gutted and sent to the COD mines. Its just that Forsaken didn't do good enough for Activision to want to invest money back into the series because it required two other support studios to turn the game around into something good.
>>722255847"Biggest successes" doesn't mean their significantly profitable. Hardware is an expensive business to be in, and none of those are making the money GTA does in a year>but if normal games aren't enough to keep you in business, don't you deserve to fail?Yes, operating outside of one's means eventually results in apocalyptic consequences.
>>722258364>Just have one of your teams work on the engine your company uses and have as many teams of 100 people max making games with that engine as possible.Problem: if your engine development runs into literally any trouble, you've completely sunk your entire company's output for a generation. See Square Enix and crystaltools.
>>722255992>we live in a timeline where one of the best game devs is redeemed sean murrayDemiurge has a sense of humor guys.
I played destiny so much that I knew every spawn point in just about every activity and I loved the game to death. It is no longer destiny though and I'm honestly happier seeing the game brought out back and listening to the gunshot
>>722258364Koei still does this. They even often use the exact same assets for games. See dynasty warriors, samurai warriors and toukiden.
>>722269569It's like comfort food. Probably taps into that feeling your dad had of being young and things weren't so terrible. A bandaid for a problem that isn't easily fixed.
>>722270456>Problem: if your engine development runs into literally any troubleKeep backups and don't ship anything on an un-vetted engine?
>>722238206I heard some dude they hired from Microsoft who was a spy did all this to them
>>722238206>nobody gives a shit about Star Wars anymore>nobody gives a shit about Destiny eitherSurely this is the crossover we've all been asking for.
I played the shit out of Destiny 1 on 360 back in 2014. I've forgotten everything about it other than some dude who would show up on Tusedays in the hub world and you could but super rare crap from him. That leveling up through clothes was super annoying when I just wanted to wear all black
>>722238206sony is taking more over the company cause they've been shit so either the get forced to do a destiny 3would sony and ms team up to do a halo?desu this is most likely now the best time for the company
>>722246924Even without the plagiarism disaster torpedoing whatever little goodwill there was, that was such a garbage artstyle man. It's like they studied WipeOut's influences (can't remember what that style was called) and then allowed a child to color the assets however the fuck it wanted. There's no rhyme or reason to the colors, clearly they intended the whole thing to look like a big glitching simulation but the colors are clashing and grating in a bad way.
>>722268403I want to bury my face between her thighs and have her crush my head like a fucking grape
>>722259805reeeee I gotts sign up to another site thats not steam I am gonna go mad
>>722247054I think Bungie wouldn't have further rot Sony from the inside out if Sony California hadn't hostilely taken over control of the Playstation brand from Sony Japan. Every thing went to shit from that moment on and they started making increasingly retarded decisions.
>>722238206>shitlibs and trannies infest studio>studio diesHmm...
>>722270812In a way it’s kind of smart because of how expensive and time consuming AAA game development is. The problem with AAA game devs though is that they raises the bar so high that they can’t easily walk it back like Asian studios do with less resources.
>>722238206that'll be a real shame, at its core destiny is one the best games ever made, fuck bungie
>>722240747Made for BWC
>>7222526829 mil number was global 11 mil is combined with china This is a massive flop
>>722273718>at its core destiny is one the best games ever madeGrim
I don't particularly disbelieve that they're not in a bad situation or that there are genuine signs of going-under.I just don't think its that soon, OP. They're headed into definitely shutting shop but December would be an absolutely wild jump. There is no way they'd make a collaboration with LucasGames, where they've done a considerable amount of work (like how the Activision support studios did), without either LucasGames knowing how bad the situation is at Bungie (unlike Sony, the employees would have to talk to people from LucasGames so there's no bullshitting and employees from other companies talk to each other).I think 2027 is the earliest they close doors or throughout 2026 they get Studio Liverpool'd. They just hired a new Global Franchise role and they're still hiring right now. Then again, there's also signs they're not doing amazing like not even being able to hire full-time QA for a LIVE SERVICE title that's 10+ years old and desperately needs people with experience specifically on Destiny 2.
>>722252587Bungie, like other 'big name' studios is infamous for offering peanuts for salary because 'our studio looks good on your resume, think of the prestige, whatever'. t. anon who lives in Seattle and knows people who interviewed there and got similar lowball offers.
>>722274308funni cat xD!!
>>722247451Actual ESL here, wouldn't saying "X weeks away", at least while X is still in the single digits, imply a tight, agile project schedule where progress happens (or is expected to happen) per week? "2 months away" sounds to me like a more "relaxed" measure of time.
>>722274283It's not out in China yet, I actually fully expect and hope Rising completely mogs D2 when it releases there.
>>722254915>narrative has a fuckload of problemsWas true from the day I walked in all the way to the day I walked out. Also worked there for a time a couple of years ago.
>>722266871I assume you're also including Frank O'Connor in the 'women's category
>>722274434>There is no way they'd make a collaboration with LucasGamesCorrect. You can start doomposting when they collaborate with Persona 5.
>>722269148they wanted to be the next Apple so bad with the PS5
>>722274684>Sony-ownedWe're only 3 weeks away from it showing up in the Eververse and then I will come back and suck OP's dickscreencap this post
>Several supposed Bungie devs talk about how fucked up the Narrative department is>Every major studio is screwing the pooch on Narrative repeatedly despite constant reinforcement that audiences eat up the context that narrative provides like the finest caviar while begging for seconds, thirds, and fourths >I apply to Narrative jobs with a portfolio including small-scale published products with great reviews>Nobody calls me backIt's not fucking fair brosHow do retards even get these jobs and keep them while I'm walled out
>>722242452>the destiny audience to drop him when he becomes she.destiny is full of trannies and other faggots. its amazing that he resisted it that long.
>>722274870you're not part of a clique
>>722274870if you put a cock in your mouth instead of a gun maybe you could get a temp position
>>722274870>>722275029I've been increasing convinced its less to do with cliques and stuff like that and more that mediocrity is more beneficial for control over the actual product and IP rather than hiring someone who can write something good or outstanding.If you hire someone who writes something good, you set the expectation high, and they've probably wrote it in a unique way to them. They've wrote something they're passionate and proud of, and will highly try and take control of. They want you to be replacable, so hiring someone who writes just uninspired crap that just seems like the "usual" for a video game, or the usual chaos that anyone is used to is simply better.Same thing with highly specialized artstyles, from the above, you're fucked because the artist now has the distinct ability to take reigns of the project.
>>722274870Nepotism
>>722240841CoD mobile is still one of Activision's most successful entries thoughdid you get your facts from first page posts on /vg/ or something?
>>722275362well didn't bungie have a whole presentation where they literally said they don't want to make good expansions because then it would raise fan expectations
>>722274870Nepotism and politically influenced hiring.
>>722274610What kinds of problems? Clashing egos, revolving door of writers, executive interference?
>>722275540It wasn't specific to expansions (though they put out garbage anyway), I think it was more seasonal stuff which has always ranged from crap to "good enough".Yea. That's a big reason as to why from a strategic point of view as a manager of a team. Which says everything you need to hear.Gearbox and Modern Bungie have this retarded belief they're actually software developers operating under software development practices for some reasons.
>>722275723>Gearbox and Modern Bungie have this retarded belief they're actually software developers operating under software development practices for some reasons...are they not?
I remember back during Lightfall there was this moment where Sweatcicle was playing and eventually got so frustrated he yelled "THIS GAME IS FUCKING AWFUL" and then continued playing like his own frustration was invalid or something. Destiny players are literal addicts. So if the game is finally dying, you know they FUCKED UP more than anyone has ever fucked up before. Remember, these people kept playing the game even though the first year of D2's existence was complete garbage - so how bad does it have to be that even those people are dropping the game?
>>722274870>how do I not get inTwo reasons:Cliques, like >>722275029, >>722275379, and >>722275608 mentioned. (You need to be ideologically aligned with them too, since writing is one of the most pozzed professions in vidya right now)And AI, which is slowly replacing everything but senior writers and narrative directors.>>722275695It was a mix of>hyper liberalism/woke mind virus making the stories bland, safe, and full of diversity hire characters>general incompetence and missing deadlines>disorganization, which was partially because of how fucked the internal tools were>content getting cut, which meant whole parts had to be rewritten on no notice>exec interference (rare, but 'drive by' plot changes did happen)>egos, some writers wanting to outshine other writers, and childish cliquey behaviorThey were also a pain to work with but I was in design, and my stuff existed outside of the plot, thank god
>>722276025They made 90% of the game's content irrelevant and created a humiliation/torture machine called the "portal" where you play extremely slopified versions of the old content (that all give the same loot) and the goal is to simply level up at a snail's pace to pad. They essentially created an infinite drip feeding machine that they thought players would just gobble up until the launch of Renegades in December but it turns out everyone just keeps playing the same fucking mission because every other one gives less rewards (and all from the same loot pool) and is generally just slower, but even the fastest leveling method is extremely slow so naturally 90% of the playerbase is currently burned out and since in their infinite genius Bungie made it so the only worthwhile rewards are obtained at the end of the grind very few people even have any desire to return, what's more funny is that the power level will be reset by December and they expect players to do it all over again.
>>722275938No because they operate video games and not software. Video games and software may seem like they're the exact same thing but one is a genuine tool that should ideally be efficient and tied to its purposes, while the other is inherently more free-form and doesn't necessarily have to be bound to its scope as much as software development practices adhere to. Gearbox's retarded statement is that "the software doesn't do what WE want it to do, nor does it do what YOU want it to do, it does what the SOFTWARE does" and that's just poor marketing and a failure of making the game run properly. They have control over it, and its a covered aspect of game development where you learn that shaders can be loaded and processed in certain ways with benefits and disadvantages, potentially disasterous ones if you implement it poorly (which Gearbox did and why Randy is a tard).Bungie operates with the idea that they don't want to massively overdo their scope and keep themselves bound to a vision, a feature outline and having a set of trackable progress with no massive jumps and miscommunication. They fail at this, by the way and always have even from pre-Destiny. It's not a necessarily terrible idea, the justification and explanation just exposes them for thinking they're software developers when they're not. They're game developers thinking like game developers. The negatives are communicated through game development (as in, "we see cool shit and we shut it down, we actively lower quality because it sets a standard") while the benefits are in a completely different practice that only slightly benefits them. If they bothered to actually have the structure to benefit from them, which they don't, because they're fucking game developers and they probably don't run strict scrums and don't run have a checklist of things to cover. They're a live service. They have to respond to player feedback, they can't be constrained to what they set.
If you had told me when Halo 3 came out that it was going to be the last good thing Bungie did (and that Halo would go to total shit right after), I would have called you a retarded faggot.Boy this is just depressing.
>>722274457I mention 'level 1 helpdesk' not because of the salary but because of the 'catered lunches' and requirement to work in office in 2020. There were only like 9 people who worked in office that year, and the only on-site team that hired specifically for in-office at the time was the helpdesk. Anon's full of shit or applied to a low level job and complained about low level pay. Sure the passion tax is real, but did this fucker really expect to make 150k for bottom tier IT?
>>722268936No? Typing up a rant based on a false premise just makes you look retarded.
>>722276106I'm curious what's been cut narratively aside from well known things like the original D1 plot getting rewritten>some writers wanting to outshine other writersHilarious since D2 writers aren't individually credited for the content they writeHell, Bungie seems to have problems keeping track, Seth Dickinson had to ask the lore community to help him make a portfolio because Bungie wouldn't.
>>722258821Still hurts. That team was the REAL Bungie.
siva could have saved them
>>722238206FakeSony is just keeping the lights on to squeeze whatever ROI Maraslop has before they dissolve the entire studio. Bungie is already dead and Sony doesn't need or care about Destiny.
>>722238206>with hopes extraction shooters would be the next battle royale and a younger userbase more open to monetisation and freemium models would replace Destiny entirely.>They were hoping that the most economically fucked and broke generation to be more open to wasting exorbitant sums on garbage MTX.lmao
>>722277298SIVA is DEAD CHUD!>>722276106>>722254915To the lurking devs do you know why Bungie has such aversion to SIVA actually? It definitely feels like genuine spite at the work of the support studios. Also Maya can bring entire armies from alternate timelines but not the tech she's looking for so the premise is already retarded.
>>722276891From what I heard and for me when I applied, the salary they offer you is usually a full level or two lower than your job title. That anon could've applied for something not critical or hard to staff (programmers don't get fucked with much because they can just go across the street to Amazon, MS, Meta, or others at higher salaries), and Bungie knows they can offer shit because people are stupidly desperate to work there for some reason. >>722277109its hazy, but I think writers got territorial about characters or plots. Like one guy gets to write all of Eris' lines and doesn't want others writing for her, or something. Kinda like that weirdo in Blizz who wrote all of Sylvannas' stuff and posted creepy waifu shit about her to his twitter.>>722277570>Marathon>ROIAnon, I've got bad news for you.>>722277593>SIVADon't know the deal. desu, I don't play this shit. It's just a job until I can find something better
>>722277885ah yeah that makes sense
Bungie 100% cooked their books to get Sony to buy them. Does Sony have grounds to sue them for a fraudulent sale? assuming of course Bungie haven't been spending the past few years frantically burning their books after the sale
>>722277593No idea. My suspicion is straight up incompetence, 'porting' stuff from prior versions into the current game is a huge effort apparently, and SIVA was fairly unique, so I'm guessing someone just eyeballed all that shit and figured it was too much effort to be worth it.>>722277885>Bungie knows they can offer shit because people are stupidly desperate to work there for some reason.Absolutely, I wouldn't contest that at all, same shit happened to me and I imagine is standard at any 'prestigious' studio. The story is weird because you'd only really know the catered lunches thing if you actually did apply to something (which again nothing even remotely worth 150k would have required onsite) or worked there and talked to the onsite people.
>>722238206>The model they are following is Magic the Gatherings "Universes Beyond" and turning Destiny into a "Games as a Billboard" ideaoh nonononono
>>722277885Getting $5 back from a $5 million "investment" is still better than getting nothing back. No one is expecting Marathon to succeed or break even and all parties involved are tapped in sunk cost. Pulling the plug would be the wise move but the decision makers on all fronts are dumb.
>>722278545catering lunch seems like an incentive to get people to work on site. They rebuilt their HQ a couple years back and some boomer exec probably felt like the money was wasted since it's empty.>>722278709i don't think it will work because doesn't the engine have trouble with adding more content? Wasn't that the whole reason they got sued over D2's campaign being cut?>>722278763there's some hinky tax shit you can do by canceling a project before someone can buy it, like why Sega did it with Hyenas. Writing off the stuff as R&D instead of 'flop' means you pay less to the government, or you can spread the loss out across a wider period to make it look better to investors or someshit
>>722278905>catered lunchSo specifically in 2020, covid sent the entire studio home. This was also the start of the renovation project, the only people who stayed on site through that year were the helpdesk (a limited set who were there to image laptops and send that shit out to people), Facilities, and Security. The catered lunch was because most restaurants had stopped letting people walk in and only offered takeout/delivery. At the time they just hired a courier to grab lunch from local places for the people who had to be onsite.When places reopened they stopped doing that, and now only cater lunch for events - usually for when some leadership team comes in for a 'how fucked are we' meeting.
>>722276818>If you had told me when Halo 3 came out that it was going to be the last good thing Bungie did I'd be wrong because Halo is shit too, and just like Destiny, was a game of circumstance, it just wasn't a game that overstayed its welcome so nostalgiafags never got to realize it. Halo like Destiny, came out on a new platform, with an audience that didn't really have much experience with the genre or the experience, with no real competition at the time for them to compare it to. You liked it, great, you'll get upset that someone else doesn't like or praise it, because yyou project on it and act like the game is you so you get personally triggered at the criticism of the game, but it doesn't change reality. If Halo didn't release on Xbox, it would have been just another FPS shovelware. This is bungie's 'talent' falling into conditions that make their games take off more than they have value. We can all agree that if Destiny released in today's market it would be buried within weeks if not days, but because it released on brand new platforms with not a lot of new titles/IPs coming in to distract from it, to a fresh audience of gamers, with no other games on the platform at the time that could offer people that co-op experience. But as always a game that's fun with friends isn't a fun game, it's a game with fun friends. Much like that Halo crawled in on Xbox which was a first console for a lot of people as established gamers already flocked to Nintendo, PC, and Playstation. And a lot of those new gamers were not only new to consoles but new to gaming in general because microsoft marketed it to untapped demographics. And then Halo comes out mediocre and kind of edgy and cringe and these babies literally eating that shit up like its catnip because they don't know there's a broader world of videogames and shooters that are generations ahead of Halo. And no I don't want to hear your "revolutionary" pitch about the setting. We've all read the epic of Gilgamesh.
>>722277570>Bungie is already dead and Sony doesn't need or care about DestinySony paid $3.7 billion for them. They absolutely need and care about Destiny.
>>722278905>Wasn't that the whole reason they got sued over D2's campaign being cut?They didn't get sued over D2's campaign being cut, they got sued over plagiarizing D2's campaign and lost the case because they cut the console and the Judge wouldn't accept old Datto and Byff clips as substitution for direct evidence which they needed the campaign still accessible for.
>>722238206>Dying brand uses another dying brand as a lifelinele pottery
>>722279251>how fucked are we meetingshaha, I remember walking past the larger conference rooms and seeing those. You could always tell because there'd be a few sandwiches leftover on the table outside.>>722279547yeah, that's what i meant. That the content had to get cut and they couldn't show it in the courtroom or something. I guess they'll cut more old content to make room for the Star Wars stuff?
Bungie lost this war months ago. Your people are broken. Scattered. Hunted. Defeated. By me. I wish I could tell you it was difficult. But it wasn't.
>>722279997>I guess they'll cut more old content to make room for the Star Wars stuff?They cut all seasonal content and a bunch of random shit every year, but because they no longer call it sunsetting or vaulting, nobody cares any more.
>>722247458wtf that's actually real? i thought that was just a fake project to pad the portfolio to trick sony into paying more
>>722269696Not me. That's the exact moment I quit and I never looked back.
go woke go broke
>>722257826>Why not just use the marathon engine and assets they worked on to make a series of single player games?Didn't they make just a handful of maps? I wonder how difficult it'd be to turn that into even one single-player game.https://beebom.com/bungie-marathon-maps/
why dont they just make good content? their last expansions is immersed in negative reviews. are they silly?
>>722281119It's not being woke that broke them, let's not pretend picrel broke the game because it was the most popular and profitable during these events.What broke the game was what kills every game, catering to the streamers with the grind and min-maxers with difficulty, and when you shape your game to the 1% of 1% you dont' really get to complain when 99.99% of the playerbase leaves. But where most companies do try and do course correction, bungie just quadrupled down on monetization.Greed, anon, that's what killed the game.Go greedy go broke.
>>722281168They did. But Bungie consumed too much live service kool-aid to ever be a proper single player game studio again. Fuck, they could have easily made like a Marathon 4 with old school 2.5D ish visuals, treat it as a retro throwback and still have made money on a small investment.
>>722281416worse, they're leftists, being retarded (or pretending to be) is a requirement to get hired at Bungie.
>>722281451Being "woke" is a symptom of pozzed developers rather than the root cause of failure, also everything gaming was profitable during 2020 so it's really not impressive in comparison.
>>722281730So you are just mindlessly vomiting out fotm buzzwords with no fucking idea what you are talking about.
>>722281730>during 2020None of this shit was 2020, dude stop. You're not reaching a conclusion. You decided on what the conclusion is and are performing mental gymnastics to try and make the conclusion fit.
>>722281496Bungie invented a lot of what people think of as live-serviceI still maintain that D1 on PS3/X360 was a work of engineering genius
>>722275695DEI hires who believe the game is their personal therapy outlet. A gay fan fiction writer known as Robert Brookes wrote story seasonal arcs for seasons starting from Hunt (first season of Beyond Light), main Final Shape story and all the way up to Edge of Fate before he was fired (and went to write Cyberpunk sequel at CDPR, lol). He is personally responsible for making Saint-14 and Osiris a gay pair (they were battle brothers and trained as siblings under the Speaker as their father figure in the lore), writing the lesbian bug Eramis into a did-noting-wrong and getting-away-scot-free character, turning Zavala into a whiny bitch despite his drama arc being resolved, that kind of thing. His seasons always included some sort of family estrangement theme, daddy issues, interpersonal drama or turned centuries-old war veterans into hysterical hormonal teenagers.
>>722281882The larper/incognito dev above confirmed that hiring at bungie involves a lot of nepotism and political profiling, I admit it's a very /pol/ thought but leftists are generally mentally unstable and too prideful (as well as bad devs but explaining that requires too much context) to see when they're blundering, Bungie was a mostly white studio during its beginnings and it only started going to shit after diversity politics became incredibly prevalent in gaming after 2014 which literally coincides with the timeline of Bungie/Destiny going to absolute hell.See also the multiple games considered woke during the last decade being absolute shitshows in their development cycles and when launched and being generally safe/boring and buggy. Most famous case being Concord which had Bungie elements in it.>>722281939nigger those things literally happened during 2020 - early 2021 don't gaslight me I played this shit back in the day.
hey everyone just stopping by to say "I called it"So yeah, called it.
>>722281942In hindsight, Destiny 1 is impressive for a PS3/360 title, including TTK. But there is definitely a time where it’s time for them to move away from live service like now, because they are pretty much burning money working on two games at once forever.
>>722247824Even funnier the watermark was Loss
>>722246924This dreamcast game looks sick as hell
Imagine how great and profitable D2 could have been if they didn't do everything in their power to shit on the player base and make it as hostile as possible.
>>722241289>Everyone who played Rising speaks positively about itBecause it's very good.Pretty sure most people are playing with a controller or kb+mouse, it's nearly impossible to play with touch controls after a few hours of progress.
