okay NOW WoW is dead
>>722273067them getting rid of addons is unironically a good move and my suspicion is lowered a notch. but only if they pull it off
addons should have never been allowed in the first place.the mistake was letting them exist from the start
>>722273067Wow died with shadowlands
>Removing addonsHow many *'s are at the end of that*Only in raids*Only in combat*Only at max level*Only if the raid agrees to it*Only certain ones
No addons? Haven't played in years but I remember many had useful functions.
>>722273067>entire expansion just for player houses*>*you can't do anything in the houses, just rearrange chairs to sit onGenuinely what is the point of this? Who wants this?
>>722274509Me
>mage rotation Classicspam frostbolt>mage rotation Midnightspam frostboltlol lmao
>>722274117>*Only in combatId say that alone would disqualify 99% of them
>>722273264That retard Ion thinks making raid mechanics simpler will remove a need for them. Meanwhile the latest raid has circles you stack in and circles you don't. And they both look exactly the same.>Just read the tooltip broYeah let me scan my buff bar while the fight is farting sparkles all over the place
>>722275697so they need to make them easier to tell apart?well, i'm glad you pointed this out since that is completely impossible
>>722273067>ads pure garbage to the game through the years>wowtards defend all of it>for once does something that will make the game better>wowtards lose their shit
>>722274654Bro, your one button rotation assistant?
pre-order now for a rug for your garrison!
Why do you need them if you played the same class since vanilla
>>722276238who the fuck plays the same class for 20 years?
As long as I can have timer bars on my screen that can track buffs and debuffs, then I don't care what they change.
>>722273067Sorry chud but wow is thriving, we make more income with just store mounts in a months time then any other mmo on the market alone
>a bloated, rotting corpse, its eyes plucked, gut torn open by wild animals, oozing filth and viscera lets out a final belch of corpse gas as the lungs collapse>>hey i think he might actually be dead nowthanks op don't know what we'd do without you
>>722276332i've mained rogue since TBCno, i will not give up my ability to turn invisible. its too neato
>>722273654*vanillaftfy
>>722276332I've had the same warrior (and rogue) for almost 20 years. But I haven't played consistently since MoP.
lol
Just two more weeks.
>>722273067Dead game everyones playing runescape
>>722276383Kek, this has to be the biggest piece of gaming fake news ever made to damage control a company on the payroll
>>722276652He's right though? Who the fuck wants to play enhancement shaman when you can do the same damage as a paladin while pressing 1/10th of the buttons
>>722276652WoW was better before the “rotation” autism. You can leave that shit with action RPG’s.
Has been ever since they shifted priority from subscribers to revenue. They milk the same sunk cost fallacy enjoyers year after year and it'll only truly die when those people die.
>>722276652at least they realize it’s bullshit what feral has to do to keep up with a mongoloid DH rolling his face across 3 buttons
>>722276652assassin rogue's opener is unnecessarily complex. feels fine otherwise
>>722273067It has been dead for quite a while, you're just a maggot eating the desiccated flesh if you're still engaged with it.
>>722276868So many people bought it that someone made a website to track family members to see if they bought ithttps://did-my-husband-buy-bruto.com/
>>722275697>>722276062This is genuinely a big issue with WoW's raid design. Too much shit going on all at once which is why people found it necessary to install addons that play the game for you in the first place.>boss has a bunch of fucking abilities that scatter the screen with nonsense>everybody in the raid having their frames drop>boss also has a gimmick mechanic that kills the entire raid if one person messes it up on Normal modeI predict they'll change their minds about removing combat addons during raids. It's too much development time to actually make smart, engaging, and straightforward raid boss design that can be understood without an addon screaming at the player about the 9 different mechanics they, individually as a player (and they're DPS), have to be aware of during the fight.
>>722273654WoW dying with WoD and Legion was the final gasp.
10 years later, people will say WoW died with this expansion, then they'll go log on to do the current WoW raid.
>>722278551The other thread is on full damage control rn with the ESL buzzword cope.
>>722276095But the problem wasn’t addons it was making raids that relied on addons to beat. Not that I play wow but talking to players that was the main issue, you didn’t play wow because the fights weren’t made with the wow client in mind you played wow + addons. If they remove addons by making their own shitty implementation of them but they keep the mechanics the same they only made it worse.
>>722275697You aren't meant to fucking do it perfectly the first time, retard.
I'm glad everyone moved on and isn't keeping up with expansion news for a game they don't play or care about anymore.
>>722278198>It's too much development time to actually make smart, engaging, and straightforward raid boss design that can be understood without an addon screaming at the player about the 9 different mechanics they, individually as a player (and they're DPS), have to be aware of during the fight.Making encounters easier will consume less dev time though. You can bet your ass that they've spent significant time on "outplaying" addons in every pre-nerf Mythic raids.
player housing will fix everything
Warcraft III is one of the dumbest games ever created. It was only good for its map editor and multiplayer.
>>722278286>WoDThose giant Draenei in the raid? I fapped to them.
>>722276350>As long as I can have timer bars on my screen that can track buffs and debuffs, then I don't care what they change.I have some bad news
>>722281439>>As long as I can have timer bars on my screen that can track buffs and debuffs, then I don't care what they change.>I have some bad newsWow is healing.Sweaties are sweating.Casuals are blooming.God is merciful after all.It's gonna be aaalright.
>>722281649Yea, I'm sure breaking Hekili which tells you exactly what button to press and DBM which tells you exactly what to do with TTS is exactly what casuals wantLMAO
What's going on? I'm thinking of resubbing.
>>722281796Sweaties are a dime a dozen. Casuals rule the game market.Always has been.
>>722276332>playing the same class on pservers for yearsye-yeah who does that? wow what losers, imagine
>>722280126False and thank you for sharing your opinion to the class :)
>>722282180If they want to cater to casuals then remove M+ and all raid difficulties besides heroic. Removing addons is irrelevant.
>>722282324>Remove M+God the game would be so good if they did that. All the absolute autistic pantshitters would kill themselves, leave, or be forced to interact with content like a sane human being. Replace it with an actual non-raid endgame alternative and the game may actually climb back up to previous #s.
Nice Epic I like itMake another 30 wow threads please Mr Patel.
>>722282324Fair enough. Blizzard figured out long ago that catering to their mentally unstable player base makes them the most amount of money, I guess. The unstable part causing extreme unhealthy OCD like obsessions leading to things such as min maxxing every single tiny thing.
>>722273067>killing off addons so poopsockers will leave until the official versions are up to par>reducing complexity of all classes because brainlets were complaining>basically removing Delves from the game as they no longer will grant mythic transmogs, which was their biggest draw for the casual, solo-oriented playerbase >STILL no m+ rework or queueable m+>STILL no meaningful updates for PvPMidnight is setting up to be an all time flop
>>722282460>non-raid endgame alternativeSuch as? Tranny tea parties? What do you suggest?>the game may actually climb back up to previous #s.Why would it do that?I don't really think the "modern gamer" likes MMORPGS all that much, it's mostly us 30-40 somethings that were in our teens and early 20s. The thrill of exploring all these magical worlds is something the "modern gamer" doesn't feel.They just want to kick back, shut off their brains and go semi-comatose playing whatever is popular atm.
>>722282716Why would anyone want queuable M+ when 98% of the players are legit dogshit at video games?
>>722283013because getting into m+ groups especially as melee dps is extremely difficult. If you are a newer player or just an average casual trying to get into m+ for the first time, good luck.
>new race>look inside>it's another elfBlizzard is so creatively bankrupt it's insane
I've now fixed your expansion. Don't worry about compensation, you're welcome.
>>722276652Anyone who is against this doesnt play wow lol>NOO YOU NEED ALL THESE RETARDED PROCS AND WINDOWS WHERE YOU HAVE TO HOLD ALL YOUR SHIT>NOO YOU NEED TO KEEP 3 BUFFS ROLLING OR YOU DO 50% DAMAGEIts not even an issue with rotations. Its all the fucking awful procs and stupid bullshit specs have gotten over the years
>>722283563this would unironcially fix like 60% of the problems with WoW in 2025.The other 40% is all story
>new content for my friends and me to play
>>722273067Legion Remix in 5 days though.
>>722283335>wait 30+ minutes for a spot>key failed within the first three pulls >group instantly disbands>have to wait another 30+ minutes for another group wow what a great idea
>>722273067WoW will never die
>>722284021this is how m+ already is
>WoW specs are going to be as boring and samey as FFXIVit's so over
>>722277663WEMUST BE BETTER
They should just make a WoW2 with updated gameplay and shit and have a Path of Exile 1/2 situation. One game for the jaded old addicts and one for the newer crowd.
Bronzebeard server laucnhuing tomorrow. I'm fucking hype>RPG elements turned to 11, humanoid mobs can drop the exact item the have equipped, can drop glyphs (new enchanting system) for the spells that that mob uses>mobs have distinct strength and weaknesses, and generally hit much harder>hundreds? of hand placed lootable items placed in lore friendly spots around the world, like a sword in the earth at a grave on a tiny island with no mobs>new dungeons and tons of areas are added upon and expanded>wotlk spells and talents in classic>tons of interesting optional challenges like high risk, where you can get much better mob loot and loot other players you pvp, but they can also loot a random piece of your equipment if you dieToo much to remember. It's like other servers aren't even trying, never mind Blizzard.Go to /vg/ tomorrow and lets get a guild going
>>722285193Ive seen your cash shop nigger
>>722285358And? Not much different than turtlesIf people want to pay to not play the game that is their loss
>>722279247They are supposedly going to make the mechanics in a way so you don't need addons for them, we'll see.
>>722285193problem with bronzebeard is that it goes into TBC and wotlk iirc
>>722286302>They're going to bring the game in line with 2015 MMOsholy FUCK
>>722286382That is years away, and a pro to me. Classic forever is fucking boring.
>>722286382>>722286508They confirmed at the Q&AHorizontal Progress is in development and the plan is to stay on lvl 60 you better be ready for the tier combo shitshow that will be
>>722286771Why the aversion to just raising the level cap
>>722286887Because they're too retarded not to end up with weapons that do 1201305138793817535 - 1201305138793817537 after just three raid tiers
>>722286887because a competent dev knows how to make horizontal progression without invalidating old stuff.Also the new Talent System and the entire Mythic Enchant stuff is literally what Blizzard planned the Path of the Titans system to be before they butchered and cut the entire thing and gave us the shitty MoP and onwards talent system and The Artifact fuckery in Legion and BFA
>Guys were so much better than actual blizzzard come play our shitty private server that we run instead of making our own game and making blizzard money.
>>722287981Rather support a pirate server than pay for the next sex change surgery for chris metzen
>>722273654Shadowlands made more money than wrath but sure 2 more weeks
>>722288374>4 MILLION PLAYERS CHUD, 4 MILLION PLAYERSbro its free weekend>COPE, COPE COPE COPE, COOOOOOPEyou niggas boring
>>722288374>he believes on paid media liesDONT FORGET TO ASK FOR SECONDS XISTAH! TRANS RIGHTS, FUCK THOSE Lesbian Gay Bisex CHUDS!
>>722288562nah it probably didbecause1: covid2: inflation3: microtransactions from retards4: tokens for paid boostsnone of that indicates quality tho, or that it's better than wrath
>a game can't die because people have been saying it's going to die beforeliterally tranny "I'm actually a woman" logic. yes WoW is dying trannyslop no matter how badly you want to believe it isn't happening.
>>722288685>Kung-FluNo one in their right mind paid for that, everyone was playing Fortnite or any FOTM>InflationLet us know that you are a retard with zero knowledge about it>Microtransations from retardsnot all of the token and botting they let run free there would do that number>Tokens for Paid BoostsNot that eitherNow you better find cover before ICE and DHS hauls your ass to sing sing or the Swamp.
>>722273067The best update in WoW's history makes it dead? Really? Removal of addons, which everyone wants. Simplifying rotations, which everyone wants. Adding more and more single-player AND co-op AND group AND raid-tier content, which EVERYONE wants. AND Adding the BEST housing system in any MMO? This is probably the best WoW expansion to date in terms of quality and quantity.
>>722273067As someone that raided endgame from WotLK to BFA, I honestly never needed DBM. I muted and disabled most of the shit on it because I wasn't a retard and found it intrusive. The only instances where I remember an addon being extremely fucking cheesy was the one that let you see Mythic Archimonde's Wrought Chaos lines, as it required you to deduce everybody's positions in the raid and adjust accordingly 3 times in a row with only a couple seconds between.I can't say for what the game's raid design is like now, but I've always preferred WoW's style of random targeting and on-the-fly reactions than something like FFXIV's extremely scripted boss fights.
>>722284021Welcome to pugging high end content in an MMO. Unless you play a role that's scarce, then you can be bad and your party has to deal with it since they don't want to play Lobby Simulator.
>>722277663if blizzard had any balls turalyon would have killed his son hereimagine any sort of guilt being warranted in this plot
>>722275697If you hadn't destroyed your raid awareness by relying on cheats for 20 years you would be able to flick your eyes over to your buff bar and see what buffs you have.
>>722273067okay cool now remove Zion Holocaustas from the company and we might be cooking.
Wow won. XIV lost. Bigly.
>>722273264When are they going to get rid of addons in WoW?>>722290878And you're a faggot.
>>722273067i may end up getting it, if only to fuck around for a month or two, level my main for old time's sake, and unsubscribe. shadowlands was the last straw>>722274509im going to make it my goal to somehow make my house as offensive as possible
>player housing looks great>addons trashed>hunter getting a complete rework with the return of dual wieldingI dunno i might resub.
Wow died when dungeon finder was released. The game that was once about community was no longer about that.
>>722276332i mained warrior exclusively until DH came out. zooming around like a retard was just too fun
>>722291096>Hunter will have only one valid spec for an expansion.Oh boy.I remember when they explained the idea behind Survival. I thought I was getting my hunter from DAOC back.NopeJust turds.
>>722291207All through vanilla and burning crusade i played a dual axe wielding survival hunter dwarf with a big beard and a bigger beard and I was my guilds blacksmith. Those times were basically stolen from me when blizzard took away my twin axes and gave me a gay ass pole arm. Im unironically thinking of comming back because they're giving me my axes back.
>>722289143Haters can't disprove this btw.
>>722289143Did they actually rework rotations or are you talking about the optional one-button rotation thing that nerfs your GCD speed?
>>722273067Looks good to me. No more addon bullshit. Simplified rotations. Quality of life improvements. Everything else that was good from TWW carries over.
>>722294842The one-button rotation thing is still in, but they are simplifying all specs as well. Greatly needed in some cases (fucking Rogues).
>mistweaver is the most fun i've had on wow in years>its being completely gutted in midnight
>>722295137this woman adds nothing to the discussion
>>722297405Fair point, you can have this one instead. Anyway, even the Haronir are growing on me. The Druid forms look really good.
>>722297768thanks, here fren
>>722273067>>722278286Easy Narrative umping off pointsEnd of VanillaEnd of WrathEnd of LegionVanilla was a self contained view into The World of Warcraft, Wrath wrapped up all the lingering plot points of WC3, and Legion had us deal with the big bad of the setting.So if you didn't stop after Legion at the very least what were you doing?
>>722289143>Removal of addonsJust don't install them if you don't want them>Simplifying rotationsJust play a class with an already simple rotation like BM and ret, making the game braid dead for everyone is retarded>Adding more and more single-player AND co-op AND group AND raid-tier content, which EVERYONE wantsIt's still going to be dogshit like it has been for many expansions>BEST housing system in any MMOdefinitely true, but anyone who cares about housing has already quit this dogshit game due to maze+
>>722276332i havent only played priest, but 90% of my time playing this game has been on priest
>>722276652honestly this really does sum up my experience when I resubbed to retail to play the first of the 3 new expansionsI played arms warrior and all the leveling content is piss easy, but then you have to worry about your spec and what moves are best to use in rotationit's like if they are gonna make the game bread dead easy to play they may as well dumb down the rotations and skills as well... jeez just make it mobile tier already so people can turn their brain off, that's really what they are aiming for, isn't it? god, and fix crafting too for fucks sake, so soulless now
>>722297768I need to learn how to do that animate sloppa shit.
>>722273067WoW has been bleeding out since Cata.
>>722274654Fucking rotations killed this game. In classic you had spells that uses. You didn't use those spells unless you needed what they do. You don't gave to press every button in every fucking situation. It's so fucking retarded to even think "rotation". I hate you so much.
>>722273067>now
>>722273067Nah, Blizzard still got that dog in em. I bought WC3 warchest, D2, WoW tbc thru shadowlands, sc2 all xpacs, everything. Midnight looks like they're doing enough different that I'd pay 15$ and get some nostalgia from playing my original mage again. I get the same pull to try midnight now. Maybe this time...
>>722274509>Genuinely what is the point of this? Who wants this?Weirdos who do erotic roleplay.Housing in wow has always been a weird sort of idea where naive people who dont know anything about game design think they want a feature they saw from another game. Player housing doesnt really work well in a theme park MMO, you are going to have to have instanced (or "phased") neighbourhoods to be a platform for players houses. And then what are those houses offering the player that garrisons from WoD didnt already offer?
Did they elaborate on what that tavern adventurer hub was going to be like? Is that our actual hub this time around, not Silvermoon?
>>722299417its really just a problem because the game became raiding. yea, you find a lot of uses for your spells in vanilla except when you go into a raid
>>722299436>DragonflightWe've had wheelchair representation since Cataclysm
>>722299834I believe the Arcantina is supposed to be a long-term player hub, not just for Midnight.
>>722299973I was kind of hoping that would be the case. It sounds comfy.
>>722299436DKs and Paladins have been in a wheelchair since their launch
>>722277863that's some totally legit viral marketing bro
Why exactly are Rogues considered the worst class in the game
>>722276652rare blizzard W, the modern game already has encounters that are too complex, if you are gonna have enemies that can all assrape you then your character needs to be easy to play.
>>722300582DEX classes always take the most skill to play and other people resent that.
>>722300582Squishy as shit, no sustain, melee, not even top dps to compensate for it
>>722300582people are weak to anal
>>722300582harder to play than most classes. subtlety feels like ass to play. given how many movement options are available stealth isn't as powerful as it used to be. has little to no sustainability. pickpocketing hasn't been novel since legion. killing power isn't at parity with our relative squishiness. CC mitigation hurts us the most. there aren't any exceptionally popular rogue characters that people want to be like; most of the rogue legion hall are asspulls. competing with demon hunter and druid for gear. haven't had a cool armor tier set since T6just a lot of things working against us is all
>>722283563the problem is that m+ is the ONLY good part of the gameraiding is archaic and still clinging to a 2004 notion of the internetit baffles me that so many people still agree to schedule their life around a fucking raid call in 2025, not to mention putting in work applications to play a gamethe outside world and questing is horribly designed and so easy it cannot even be considered a game more than tying your shoelaces isthe lore and art is tranny irredeemable garbage and has been for decadespvp is kekm+ is the only fun and fullfilling thing left in the gameif you want to do literally anything else you're better off playing classic or dropping WoW altogether
>>722301747>These raid opinionsWhat's funnier, that this deluded nigger thinks his opinion is anything other than complete fiction, or that even dumber anons will read it and take it for more than what it is, which is complete fiction?
>>722301747M+ is dogshit. Playing random dungeons over and over for no reason is retarded. At least the raid ties into the story and is completely new every patch. The only way M+ will ever be good is if they make 8 new dungeons every patch.
>>722301668oh, and the single button assist flat out doesn't work for rogues. lol
>>722273654Burning Crusade. We used to call everyone starting in burning crusade BC babiesNow BC babies think they're old fags
>>722301747>m+ is the only good part of the gamecongrats on your transition sorry about your military job
>>722301854what fucking opinions retard?do you or do you not need to log in at a specific hour and for a specific duration in order to progress raid? I'm not talking about lfr obviouslysame with applications, it's only gotten wilder over the years, it used to be some form you fill on a forum or the guild's website that basically amounted to a tiny bit of info about your raiding history and proving you're not an ape, at this point you need to give them logs, footage, pc specs and god knows what else to even be consideredI said nothing of the actual content in the raids which is usually pretty good all things considered
>>722275697which boss are you talking about here anon
>>722301747>Diablo 3 makes nephalem rifts >They are fun because its random maps and allowed you to aoe and destroy mobs with a chance of cool loot at the end>WoW implements the same idea but for dungeons >its just a time attack and aoeing health spongesI will never understand how this stupid fucking game mode garnered so much attention. The loot is negligible yet its also tied to the vault. It isn't difficult because its just a gear check with health sponges and using an interrupt. And for some reason the playerbase gate keeps the living fuck out of it letting only a select few with a retarded number from an addon
>>722301747m+ is a good idea on paper but the community has basically ruined m+. >"UMMM your IO is looking a little incomplete. Wait, you're new? Lmao, declined">"Sorry your class isn't meta this season, try a different group"This is the melee dps experience. Its even worse if you play a popular class like paladin or warrior, good fucking luck getting into a m+ group. Its generally fine if you play tank because there's not nearly enough tank players.
>>722300582They're not even close to the worst class in the game. Right now, in this very patch, Subtlety blasts in both high level M+ and in raid.Rogue is just not very popular, and that's because:>Rogue is one of the most complicated classes to play across all 3 specs>Hero Talents are legitimately just bad, Fatebound is straight up a DPS loss to use in AOE, Deathstalker is a fucking obnoxious embarrassment that should have never went live, and Trickster is the only functional one>Squishy due to not-straightforward defensives despite being REALLY tanky if you know how to use those defensives (Mage also experiences this)>Allegedly really really bad leveling experience>Buggy >Due to its complexity is also one of the most addon-reliant classes which I personally like but tell Johnny B Newbie to try and play Roll The Bones on Outlaw without a WA to track it
>>722288374>Comes out at the time everyone is at home and has free gibs>people quickly stop playing it anyway.
>>722302034>What fucking opinionsProbably the opinion that raiding is archaic niggerYou need to schedule raid and apply to guilds but there's no other way to make gameplay like Mythic raiding work. It's not archaic, you're just a retard who doesn't understand that the price is worth the fun that raiding is.>At this point you need to give them blah blah blahYeah so you don't play with retarded chimps. What's your suggestion, shit for brains?
>>722302205i feel like people who say it's hard to get into M+ as melee dps haven't played since like BFAmy friends bought me the new expac a month ago so i could come play with them and my one buddy plays havoc and he's just constantly pugging M+ all day every day, it can't be that hard to get into groups if every time i look at my friends list he's in a +13 or whatever
>Mythic+ is good!It was really good at enforcing homogenization and miserable party experiences. Things that would have partly been avoided by not adding some retarded time trial timer and focusing on raw difficulty instead of memestrats.At least WoW had goblin lasses.
>>722299436It's the little thing like the "thankfully, this person is actually crippled!" where these cultists slip up and reveal how truly sick and insane they are that gives me life.
I'm glad they're fixing Arms after the mistake that was Legion and BFA class design. Holy FUCK.
>25 year old game>You still have to play on low settings in the current expansion's main hub and in raids even on a brand new PCwhy the fuck is this okay
>>722300582In PVP rogues can perma cc an entire group of people and kill them off one by one. Literally the assassin fantasy.
It was always inevitable that they would try to 14-ify their combat system a bit. WoW's legibility has always been terrible, and the addon arms race has been a cancer allowed to fester for way too long. That they played into it themselves for years is inexcusable.
>>722302876>good at enforcing homogenization and miserable party experienceslol lmao found the shitter who can't get past +10
>>722302876>no timer, just difficultythen the game just becomes "stack polymorph/sap/hibernate/whatever and fight every mob 1 at a time"that would be even worse than the slop we have now
>>722277663This makes no sense...
>>722303248Correct, can't do mythics while unsubbed.
>>722303392Oh you mean it'd be like vanilla that people jerk off constantly? How horrible.
>>722301747Reminder that raiding was a forced meta and most people who played vanilla back in the day didnt even like it.Thats why before classic launch all the streamers were talking about blizzards raid clearance data and how less than 1% of people completed naxx and how hard vanilla raids were then it turned out they were easy. yeah thats because back in the day the casuals just wanted to have fun in 5 mans and questing and the hardcore players were into the PvP. Raids were mostly a means to an end, getting better gear so they could do the fun stuff in the game more efficiently. 10 players carrying 30 retards wasnt just a meme, it was hard to get 40 people who were willing to read a class raid guide and do a proper 3 button rotation because most people werent interested enough. One huge difference between now and then is that now everyone assumes the raids are the meta or the point of playing the game, back in the day most saw them as a nuisance.
>>722304008>didnt even like it.lol
>>722303392Not really a problem, but also insanely easy to fix. Make it so when you kill an enemy it "enrages" all enemies currently in combat removing CC and making them immune to CC for XX seconds
>>722304008this nigga retardedmy guild loved raids unless it was>ok guys back to MC because short (important) people to farm mats or gear recruitsalso the raids arent easy now because >noone cared lolololthe raids are easy now because they've been taken apart mechanically and solved 100% for fucking decades you retarded fuckback then noone knew what the fuck the 3 black drakes breaths did except "no cloak = you fucking die" when first fighting them"classic" people went in with the explicit details of literally everything from cooldowns to priority of movelist to the god damn damage calcsalsothey've FUCKING DONE THEM BEFORE
>doing boss fight>[cartoon punch sound]>[gun hammer cocking]>BEWARE>[ding]
>>722304131>>722304285yeah you guys never played back in 2004-5. Back when DKP was essential because raid attendance was so hard to manage because almost no one wanted to treat raiding like a second job.My hardcore raid guild had such crazy turn over i think we had 20 different mages in 1 month because they kept skipping raid day or going to battlegrounds instead of coming to progression night.>implying you know what "progression night" is
>playing as a dwarf warrior with dwarf priest alt thanks to player bots and azerothcore This is the strangest leveling experience, having a pocket healer in the overworld makes warrior into a more fun paladin Now I'm thinking of doing something silly like playing a full party of undead rogues
>>722276095>smears shit all over the wall>coprofags eat it up and ask for more>finally decides to clean up the wall a bit>coprofags get uppity
>>722277075See me people prefer a complex rotationPersonally I dislike any DPS classes where you frequently find yourself with nothing to click for multiple seconds, just waiting for something to come off CD
>>722276868Its not fake anon.That stupid fucking 90 dollar mount yes, 90 fucking dollars sold gangbusters.It's disgusting.
>>722276652>Players complained about this shit since BFA>Adress that>NOOOOO! My complexity. Good riddance.
>>722276095This has been the case for A LOT of changes blizzard has made. They catered to a certain crowd that loves shit and they will screech when you take some of the shit away.
>>722304470whatever you say retardi literally co-ran a pug of the 20man raids on my off nights our guild got over halfway into nax before people got "expansion coming why bother im not getting TBC" churned including our GM and his bropeople loved raiding, maybe they just didn't like your gaggle of faggots
>>722278551Its widely accepted Legion was the last good expansion, and that the downfall started in Cata.
This is how you can tell WoW is dying. There is barely any porn of it being made any more.
>>722304780True, I have to AI slop it.
>>722304749>ran a pug of the 20man raidslol
>>722304780Night Elf women have been getting plapped by Horde men for 2 decades now, who needs anything else
Reminder to STOP begging Blizzard to make your favorite race playable. They just don't have the time anymore.
>>722304850yesexplain why thats funnygo ahead i'll wait
>>722304780Surely some of that is just people being lured by ff modbeasts.
>>722299417i never understood why people think "press X,Y,Z buttons in a row" is some sort of depth. honestly it may aswell be one button rotation for damage. as far as straight up damage abilities go you would only ever need like 3 ~ main damage, quick damage, slow big nuke damage
>>722276652This is true though. Take Retribution Paladin for example, the spec widely regarded as the easiest to pick up and play, and do decently well with. On a surface level, all you have to know is that you use Judgement, Blade of Justice and Hammer of Wrath (with the priority ideally being in that order though you can technically mix and match as you please) to gain Holy Power which you then spend on Final Verdict after having 3-5 Holy Power for big damage. Every thirty seconds you use Execution Sentence on your target which acts like a damage battery for 8 or 12 seconds (depending on how you spec) that you load up with your damaging abilities, which will after the duration is over explode on the target. The more damage you loaded into the Execution Sentence, the more damage it will do at the end. So you essentially save your burstiest ability, Wake of Ashes, which turns into your biggest damaging ability Hammer of Light after being used, (which can only be used once, or twice if you have the tier set bonus) for the Execution Sentence window, and after that make sure you pump as many Final Verdicts into the Execution Sentence as you can manage. Every minute you can also use Divine Toll and Divine Hammers to both make it easier for you to pump Final Verdicts during the burst window as well as giving you some extra damage during it. For cleave situations, you simply use Divine Storm instead of Final Verdict. Sometimes abilities will randomly proc for you to do some extra damage, and if you're lucky, you will get to use extra Hammer of Lights during the Execution Sentence window.It really is simple to execute and easy to understand, but it can still look intimidating for newcomers.
>>722304881>people loved raiding>also my guild didnt want to run the 20 mans anymore because most people didnt need the items>also we quit nax partway in because expansion was coming and we didnt thin kwe needed the itemsyou were raiding for the items, not because raiding itself was fun, otherwise you guys would have been playing nax up until tbc launch.
ive been hearing about wow being dead for the past 15 years
>>722304948>people loved raidingyes>my guild didn't want to run the 20 manswrongi said on my off nights you disingenuous faggoton my alt>we quit nax halfwayyes retard, people who werent going to keep going quit the gameits what people do when they're doneagain, how is that "lol pug 20man"
we're all playing on Bronzebeard
>>722304194>kite enemy away from other enemies>when you kill the mob and cc breaks, kite remaining enemies until cc wears offeven worse.
>>722305036You are talking about classic here?
>>722305115No you retarded cunt. Vanilla.
>>722304194so then what becomes the interesting part of mythics to drive replayability and seperate it from a normal dungeon if it's just bigger numbers and you cant stun stuff, you want a mode that's just a straight up gear check?
>>722305036oh so your guild was doing the 20 mans and raiding nax as well all into late vanilla? doing 5 raids a week, and on top of that you were pugging 20 mans on your alt?
>>722273067It'll never die because of the sunkencost fallacy, move on and forget it exists, stop killing threads over this faggotry.
>>722276332I only play cloth classes
>>722295228I wouldnt say rogue was even hard but a lot of classes in general have this fucking retarded DPS optimization where you need to keep shitty filler moves off cooldown all thr timr. It's like way less rewarding DoT plate spinning (which is already not super fun)
>>722304871Sure, SUREBUT. There is new prime elf puss in the game. Both Xalatath and alyssa both have new models. We can even go back to Legion and the Nightborne. Yet there is still a noticeable lack of new porn being made.
>>722305147>>722305036>>722304749>>722304131Retard thinks that because he was super autistic and liked it that everyone liked it.Meanwhile the blizzard stats show that less than 1% of players EVEN STEPPED FOOT into nax.>hurr muh personal anecdote trumps the data blizzard talked about though
>>722304665>click
>>722305183How fucking long does your dumb ass think it takes to clear MC/BWL when you're geared up? We could literally split raid and do 15/25 MC/BWL at the end.Also how our guild had 3 TFs and 2 sulfs. Never did get my Mish from nef.rip my 40% crit dreams
>>722305227because functionally we've already peaked with Orc male on Night Elf female stuff from artists like nagoonimation, noname55, liard, and lawnmower333not that I would know
>>722305305yeah sure bro and you are a chef at wendys making 500k we are all very impressed.
>>722305104You would be better off just blasting it and just dying since there's no timer. Anyway, who cares. Trash shouldn't be the hard part. It's called trash for a reason.>>722305169>seperate it from a normal dungeon It shouldn't be separate from a normal dungeon. It's not that serious bro.
How can anyone look at this and not want to immediately play some WoW? This is PVRE KINO
>>722305401What part of that do you find unbelievable, you mongoloid?
>>722305359and that attitude is why you will always sit in the alliance chair.
>>722305432What am I even supposed to be looking at, the inside of Sunfury Spire? Is it player housing somehow?
>>722305418>It's not that serious broAnswer the question nigga
>>722305538Silvermoon City revamp
>>722305586ah yes the dying star half a mile outside of town, just a normal day
>>722305432looks like AI slop
>>722274509FFXIV housing is severely limited by server. Getting a plot of land is seen as a massive success and people keep their subs running just to keep their player house. Blizz is furious that they aren’t wringing money out of their customers like that so they’re introducing it.
>>722305432>>722305586This genuinely looks like AI generated video
>>722305692>>722305763Your brains are fried.
>>722274654YES! I GET TO PLAY WOW AGAIN
>>722305578I don't even know what you're asking. You could make it so you still earn points from doing it fast and just to get the gear there is no timer. You replay it without the timer to get gear.
>>722305749Shitty as that aspect is, FF's housing is probably better for the unorthodox interior design people do with it. WoW's system has that functionality, but the insistence on their stylized geometry may hold it back or else result in even more extreme cases of 'this stove is made from 4000 pieces of furniture mashed together.'
>>722303086I mean that's not true, you can have CC on like 3? 4 people max maybe? And not for all that long, you would need other players to take advantage of that for it to mean anything at all. this game isnt Chivalry medieval warfare
>>722299417>>722304898Based and true. rotations only came about as a contrivance of people trying to optimize their damage, assuming a class had a way to do that at all beyond frostbolting fire elementals. retarded devs took that as gospel and its ruined tab target combat for decades, and now you have MMOs like XIV where moves arent tools on their own but "pieces" of a rotation that are useless and pointless on their own.
>>722306393Playing a monk in XIV made me hate life because of this retard ass design. Probably why I quit and never went back.
>>722304665>clickHeh, won't get me with that bud. But to be serious, if you like classes to be high APM/mechanically drmanding, that's totally fine and valid, but that sort of prerequisite should be adequately rewarding, and for years that simply has not been the case, wherein an 80 IQ paladin will always equal or outperform a 100 IQ rogue
>>722276652lol
I never played Legion when it was currentIs it worth subbing for the remix thing coming soon?
>entire thread of people mocking DBM and spastic bullshit>hurhurhur u think it spam bootan!this nigga retarded aint even givin a (you)
>>722306676This picture is going to out of date soon. Blizzard is banning all combat addons in Midnight.
>>722299417Rotations were fine in Wrath and Cataclysm. Now there's too much shit.
>>722273067It just seems like laziness on Blizzard's part. Rather than design engaging encounters, they just want to make raid bosses with the difficulty of a five man boss, then disable addons.
>>722306573to nitpick a hyper specific part of XIV's rotations, i dont understand why all of the "1-2-3" moves that the various melee classes have are condensed into one button in PvP but not in PvE, shit was so retarded. Despite my complaint about rotations, i dont mind a move that specifically is designed conceptually to be a chained series of martial strikes in quick succession or something, but if the move is going to ALSO going to be separate attacks instances/buttons, and there is zero reason to use any of the involved attacks out of sequence (and in XIV there is not, as such moves will suffer a massive damage loss if used when they're not glowing) then why the fuck wouldn't you take steps to avoid bloating my action bars. Fuck man.
>>722307070Don't forget, I don't know about the other melee classes but, monks also had positional requirements.So you were walking back and forth like a dipshit the entire fight to flank/behind.
>>722273067Maybe now you have to actually learn a raid encounter instead of relying on an airhorn to Pavlov Effect you into not standing in the fire.
>>722305401I make 500k a year doing nothing, what do I get?
>>722307159>Pavlov effect to not stand in fireIIII WILL NOT MOOOOVE WHEN FLAAAAME WREAAATH IS CAAAAAAST
>>722280126Its campaign, multiplayer, custom map scene, and map editor are all god tier.
>>722307070I think part of that is that they know there are a lot of oldfags who insist that there's some difference in pressing 111 combo and 123 combo. For newer jobs and pvp, which was revamped relatively recently, they decided they didn't care about those opinions and opted for button economy with ability swaps. I won't be surprised at all if there's more of that in the supposed job renovations of 8.0.And still only one button for healers because their job devs are fucking incompetent.
>Xal'atath has the dark heart and is going to do... something>againWhy are the writers wasting this character?
>>722307902She's on her way to wreck Alleria's hometown just to fuck with her specifically.
>>722276332jaina, arthas, Lord Illidon, Sylvanas, crippleghar, varian, anduinn, etc
>>722306762That's a good change, but not enough to redeem WoW.
did anyone seriously expect WoW to ever die considering Everquest is still getting full featured expansions to this day? It's obvious that the game is dirt cheap to run on even the shittiest of servers 24/7/356.
>>722273264Its good move. But its too late. Wow is just ultra casuals who run around as pass time and tryhards. This should have happened after wotlk. Cata is where they started to make boss encounteres with idea that everyone is using raid addons
>>722273067I fully agree they need to remove the addons that respond to mechanics, however it is obvious from the way Ion talks about it that he wants to use it as a scapegoat for his own autism. He is obsessed with making the game his arms race with RWF players. That is not going to change, and Midnight is going to drive everyone insane. No matter how many times he has acknowledged this, he has never changed and instead finds new ways to deflect blame.
>>722308434Exactly, heroic takes 2 weeks and mythic takes 6 months of 200+ pull fights. It burns all the good, but not professional players out.
The prune is good. Every dps spec should be as simple as dev evoker.
>>722308521the race is a joke until it stops making it a math check for 80% of its run time and tunes around 50 people with sponsorships. absolute cancer.it might be interesting to see how encounter design changes, though. if people have to be able to read the mechanics themselves, that just means experience with ff has already trained them.
>>722308709anyone making that their life should probably jump off a bridge so they can make the game for me and my friends instead of like 50 freaks in an astroturfed "esport".
>>722308887at least the freaks are getting money out of it. everyone else is expected to clap along while they run splits and engage in glorified rmt.
>>722308252Does anyone give a shit about Alleria? This xpac could be:>Azshara returns from gay baby void jail to cause trouble>meanwhile Xal'atath is trying to convince (player) characters that the titan's have ill intentions for AzerothInstead we have Knaifu teleporting around laughing while infinity purple blobs spawn out of thin air until the writers decide it's time for the player character to win.
>>722308952how much money do they even make? even dota players at its peak struggled to make anything unless they win TI and that was a real esport before gabe had his melty.
>>722309098TENS, anonTENS of dollarsit's inSTANE
>>722306393I like rotations in XIV when it came out for a little. And then I realized it legit made the moves by themselves fucking worthless and you HAD to do them in sequence. Really limited the way I played
>>722276332I keep crawling back to ret every expansion because every time I think I might have fun with some other class it's either ruined or not actually fun at all.Not that ret is all that fun right now either, it just feels like least of a chore to play compared to bullshit like outlaw or fire.
>>722309098No idea. I assume they all have other work outside the race periods or are already rich. But there are a fair number of viewers, and a lot of sponsorships, so.
Holy fuck I can't believe I wasted time and money playing through this expansion and leveling up. The story has got to be the worst yet.
>>722309242Worse than jay lore?
>>722309147That's what healers and certain jobs with more flexible sequences are for, like bard/dancer are more about procs, sam doesn't care about sticker order, rdm only cares about balanced numbers. I guess summoner is flexible now too.
Just a reminder They did the add on thing already years ago. I think it was just after warlords?
>>722273067>Casuals can't get mythic tmogs>Sweats pour over the rotation being simplified Meanwhile mid wit players will ascend
>>722309242i preordered midnight because it would give me war within as well.got to the black paladin area and then quit halfway through. everything before that was boring too
>>722276652
>>722307902Because there is nothing better. She's also the same kinda of character as Sylvanas in SL or even Lilith in D4.
>>722308434>Cata is where they started to make boss encounteres with idea that everyone is using raid addonsAnd it was a fucking disaster for it. One of the fights straight up didn't work properly and was just cheesed because how broken it was.
>>722276095It genuinely boggles my mind. The same retards who cry about the removal of addons, which at this point turn the "game" into an autoscroller, pretend that they aren't the target demographic for all the lobotomite handholding, like one-button-rotations.>>722276383MTX and (charity) livestreams are the go-to money laundering methods.
>>722309547all sweats were once casualsIt's hard to turn casuals into sweats when there is no ascending middle ground and just pure dichotomy instead
>>722306393Exactly. Rotations are fun when they arise naturally out optimizing individual abilities, not when the abilities are designed to fit a specific rotation. Class design peaked around Wotlk-MoP imo, but Blizzard couldn't leave it alone because they have to redesign classes every other year to justify their jobs. It's a shame because I actually think tab target combat can be really fun and engaging when it's done well, but it has a poor reputation because of how poorly it's been handled in modern MMOs. Playing Wrath classic as an enhance shaman or fire mage was some of the most fun I've had playing a video game.
>>722273654It actually died with WotLK. That's when WoW was at it's peak, and also during which most of the cancerous mechanics were introduced. Before that it was uphill as the good heavily outweighed any bad, but after this it was all downhill... I remember being excited for Cataclysm...
>>722276095Tyler1 unironically said it best and he didnt even play retail, he played hardcore classic. "Everybody is just playing World of Weakauras". His raid wiped at 1% to Baron Geddon. Why? Because while he told his raid to stay and burst DPS for what was a very guaranteed kill by this point, their addons were yelling RUN AWAY!!! and that's what they all did instead because their brains are on autopilot.
>>722276332I wanted to but they changed hunter too much so I ended up swapping around and never really got attached to anything.I guess fire mage and brewmaster were okay.
>>722313847that's just a case of those raiders being retarded. the reality is that classic content is extremely trivial now, with vastly more people clearing it today than ever did back then, in much faster times. one raid being full of shitters doesn't change that.
>>722314084You're right but the point is addons have a way of tainting the minute-to-minute gameplay experience when people get too reliant on not actually thinking
>>722273654Wow died with wotlk. It introduced every cancer that killed it in the long term, and I could tell at 14 despite being addicted. I quit cold turkey and I am vindicated.
I wonder if I'd get account banned if I put a bunch of rubble and random pieces in my house lot and call it inspired by gaza
>>722303392Get through your parse-fried brain that this would become YOUR game because YOU and people LIKE YOU are neurotic min-maxing sociopaths who go out of their way to optimize the fun out of the game and then blame the game for it. Do you know why Vanilla was remembered so fondly? Because you and your ilk were a minority. People had more fun dicking around with quests and RPing rather than chasing numbers for the sake of chasing numbers. My fondest memory was trying to make it to Darkshore for my guild meeting. We were already running late so we had to hijack a Zeppelin in Undercity and time our jumps into the ocean before Ogrimmar, sneak past the horde and B-line through Ashenvale on mountain back. Notice the distinct lack of any quantifiable metric in this advanture. Can you even begin to comprehand the spontaneity I am presenting to you right now?
>>722314853absolutely insane schizopost
>>722302876You would like Delves, which are my endgame.
>>722314923Maybe he is schizophrenic, but he's speaking the truth.
>>722314923https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A6_9Jk2djY
>>722304641>food analogy
>>722304008Based. Fuck raiding. Dungeons, classes, pvp, mounts, that's where it's at.
>>722305805>i likey AIno u
>>722300582before you even load into the game they are second class citizens with no heal or tank spec. just that alone knocks them off for the more casual who want to stick to one main and the more serious who wouldn't recommend them on that basis.then they are also a lesson in feeling special because you look at them and they don't have much of a asymmetric hook that other players say "i wish i had that" to what they have. their stealth just doesn't have that pull to it in a lot of areas. you compare them to the other 2 pure dps and those are way ahead before you zoom back out to looking at others specs. why would a casual pick rogue when mage gets portals? or why would a raider take rogue over warlock? rogue is a choice for collectors doing rogue things or a luxury in groups with utility already.aside from the times it's the endgame flavor of the month rogue's bright spot ironically is the more punishing than usual leveling. there you get pushed to use your stealth and vanish a lot to just not fight at all. but it's just so out of line with a tank or even some other dps who can just pull large groups with little effort and in lesser gear. rogue is as much the issue as the polish of game itself.
>>722274654frost mage sucks. Arcane and fire are better for pve.
>>722275697>And they both look exactly the same.Soaks and avoids look quite different anon. Maybe try not to be retarded.
>This time for surekek
>>722314853nta but>vanilla was good beause X players were minoritydelusional
>>722305749>Getting a plot of land is seen as a massive success and people keep their subs running just to keep their player house. Blizz is furious that they aren’t wringing money out of their customers like that so they’re introducing it.One of the core tenets of WoW's housing is that it's not limited in supply, easy for anyone to obtain, and won't disappear if you don't play for a while or unsub. Basically every aspect of it is a giant "FUCK YOU" to the terrible FFXIV housing system.
>>722305432>>722305586AI slop
>>722315717your image agrees with that poster thoughbeit
>>722315845Its nuances anon, the truth is in the details.
>>722315717>everyone was making friends and bonding / no political cancer or arguingThe game literally segregated people with social barriers that were entirely impossible to cross (so much so that if you and your friend rolled on a pvp server, if one of you picked horde and the other alliance, one of you would need to DELETE EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER THEY HAD ON THAT SERVER just to play with the other). It did more to kill socialisation than any other MMO in history.
>>722315916And which detail would that be? Your image says everything I said except a bit differently. Core argument remains the same: no sweat/parsing culture to supersede spontanity.
>>722314853>"instead of making it time-based they should just overload everything with stats and mechanics">but that's retarded and would just make the mode even gayer and stupider than it already is>"UH UMMM UHHHH PARSETRANNY COPE SEETHE BACK IN MY DAY THINGS WERE SIMPLE AND EASY WHICH IS WHY THINGS SHOULD BE COMPLEX AND DEMANDING" *shits self and has a meltie*why are you like this? what does any of that have to do with anything in the conversation you replied to? (which was four hours ago btw)
Brown
>>722316189thisthe game was made as a cia psychological experiment in the artificial designation of tribalistic subgroups and how to inspire cult-like behaviours surrounding them using the internetits directly responsible for 90% of the current internet political brainrot
>>722316660Are you really asking me why a Role Playing Game should have more stats and mechanics in order to allow more customization? Really? Are you really asking me what's wrong with giving players more tools so that players of different skill levels can approach tasks differently? Why are you like this?
cope seethe dilate
>>722316938>he continues to argue against points that were only made in his head???
WoW died with the first expansion. It was a garbage sequel to warcraft anyway
unless you are some mentally ill tranny or single mother in her 50s there is no point in being subbed to WoWpointless shit game with no substance
>>722305418>It shouldn't be separate from a normal dungeonwhy not? what's wrong with having different types of gameplay for different types of players? casual players always drone on and on about how people pushing competitive content are ruining their fun, but fail to understand that being competitive and optimizing IS how some people have fun, and nobody is forcing you to play with them. in fact, competitive players would be more than happy to just play with other competitive players and leave casuals to their own devices; it's always the casuals who feel excluded and claim their fun is being ruined by...other people playing how they want to play. nobody is forcing you to run M+. the game has more content available for casual players than it ever has. and I don't even play retail WoW anymore. I mostly play classic, where I've become convinced that casuals are far more toxic than hardcore players are. the latter are always chill to play with, while the former just endlessly bitch about people playing the game in a way they don't like. the reality is you just have FOMO because you aren't good enough to clear the top end of content and people don't want to carry you, and instead of going and playing the content that is designed for you, you just stew in bitterness and bitch.
>>722273067I have vague recollection of this moment coming up roughly every other year...
they eradicated the term MMO out of the game now it's a single player experience and with housing added it's just pure fucking trash isolation literally Garrison 2.0 but even fucking Garrisons in WoD had something you could do with housing you just sit in your digital house lmaocreatively bankrupt dead company like nu-blizzard is so deep in shit they wouldn't know how to fix anythingre-releasing old expansions was like a bone thrown to them the game should been dead decade ago
Alright, let’s not waste any time. What MMO should I pick up now that Realm Of The Mad God is kind of winding down? Like, what MMO should I install and pay a full-year subscription to *tomorrow*? My default choice will be FFXIV, which I’ve been trying to get into for years, but if you can pill me on something else, I’m interested.
>>722317258What are you even on about?
>>722317509Player housing often becomes a hub for social activity. Mostly of the ERP variety though, so expect a thousand "night clubs" to open, and for everyone to move out of the Lion's Pride Inn.
>>722317515Turtle WoW>hur dur blizz rico lawsuitNothing will happen.
>>722298072this
>>722317516?
>>722317583But I like Goldshire :(
>That 3D AdventureQuest Worlds completely floppedUgh…
>>722317515>realm of the mad godthat game is so incredibly far removed from other MMOs that i really don't know what to suggest
>>722317847Other MMOs I like but haven’t really gotten into are FFXIV, AQWorlds, Turtle WoW and Second Life. I’m also a big Club Penguin guy and I like exploring forgotten MMOs and 3D chats like Worlds.
>>722317583>a hub for social activityaccording the their "social contract" which you literally have to sign to play you can't interact in a adult manner with other RPersthe WoW RP faggot fantasy is extremely sexual.. some gnome wants his fully shitted diapers to be change by some tall elf in some Inn or some furry faggot that RP's as a Panda and wants to fuck some Vulpera or Worgen while wearing leather strapsthe game's age rating is 12, what social activity do you want to have exactly? the game censors their own players and you won't have any meaningful interactions
im all for banning combat addons but im pretty sure all that is going to do is that someone is going to develop some out of client addon launcher like XIV's dalamud.
>>722318015>according the their "social contract" which you literally have to sign to play you can't interact in a adult manner with other RPersDoesn't matter, that was always against the TOS, people do it anyway. People flagrantly ignore that shit even in Trade.
>>722318082sure thing then say goodbye to your account because you upset some woke faggot playing this dead game
>>722318125Trade chat is basically /pol/ at this point. You are completely disconnected from reality if you think that the stupid wokie note that you have to agree to is doing anything, and it's "rules" were mostly already in the TOS anyway (which people ignored, and continue to ignore).
>>722273067WoW is saved.If you need 3rd party addons to play the game you are shit.
Any Trove likers/rememberers in here? Probably the most underrated MMO ever.
>>722273264>>722273378they're getting rid of addons? source? would actually make me consider playing the game again (I probably won't)
>>722318302i had a buddy that was super into it but when he convinced me to try it it just seemed kinda shit
>>722318469In all fairness, it had a lot of mechanics that could be seen as kind of bloated and it had a very whacked-out sense of balance in some cases (I remember the Candy Berserker used to be free wins basically at all times and that the ninja was depressingly low-tier despite having a really fleshed-out moveset), but it was fun and had that weird sense of genuine discovery I crave from my games and inexplicably massive scale and detail with those huge dungeons and buildings.
>>722317397Because it destroy coherency of the world. Twenty different difficulties and content paths transforms game into essentially roblox, a shared lobby environment where your favorite play minigame of choice in closed off echo chamber.
>>722318371They have been slowly peeling away parts of the API, and as of Midnight most of the combat shit will be closed off. Hekili and DBM won't be able to function, for example.
>>722318868would be based. fuck playing the game by looking at the UI, but weakauras is what needs to go most of all.
>>722318953A lot of what people use WeakAuras for is also getting nuked. Like tracking cooldowns, buffs, debuffs and shit, none of that is accessible through the API anymore. Basically they straight up don't want addons to do anything with combat and encounters anymore.
>>722319143Oh no you're gonna have to look at your hotbar or the enemies hotbar?The fucking HORROR
>>722319143This literally should've happened 10 years ago. Or 15 years since Cataclysm was when encounters really started to be designed around the knowledge that players would use add-ons to make decisions for them.
>>722318165>You are completely disconnected from reality if you think that the stupid wokie note that you have to agree to is doing anything,yes it bans and suspends your accountare you fucking retarded or something
>>722319184I'm not complaining, I like the changes. Also, much of this stuff is being offloaded to built-in Blizzard UI, like the Cooldown Manager. Some people think that is shitty, but I would rather it be something baseline that they can improve than relying on bullshit addons.
>>722319261No one is getting banned for it. People are openly fucking in Goldshire, as they have for the game's entire lifespan. Trade chat is worse than ever and is non-stop /pol/shit. The only thing people get banned for is brazenly cheating in PVP or trying to undercut Blizzard's WoW token.
>>722317179fuck off Magni
>>722319340>Trade chat is worse than ever and is non-stop /pol/shiton what server? trade chat is fucking dead where i play and mal'ganis isn't exactly a low-pop server
>>722319401Moon Guard.
>>722319410type some racist shit in trade chat nowI suspend your fucking shit account within hours
>>722319410figures, moon guard always did attract the schizos
>>722273654Actual WoWmania died with WOTLKLegion was a dead-cat-bounce where a lot of people returned thinking we might get a new WoW hype era but that hype had no staying power.The game kept declining and Sneedolands just ended up being the final nail in the coffin.Nowadays they just try to somewhat retain their numbers by constantly pushing some new stupid version of WoW in order to keep people engaged>here is Classic>here is Classic but fresh servers>here is Classic with a few twists>here is Classic hardcore>here is a new PvP mode>here is Classic but its TBC>here is Classic but its WOTLK>here is Classic but its CataNo surprise considering that like 80% of modern WoW parses are from Classic versions - and no one gives two shits about parses in Classic - which just shows how dead the ongoing actual game really is.
>>722276332The character I play now is literally the first character I made in Vanilla, though I did play Hunter for a while.
>>722319461>B-BUT THE CONTRACTFuck off, retard.
Haven't played wow for a decade at least but is no-addon raids as hard as the anons ITT are making it out to be?
>>722273067I like delves. I hope they expand on it in Midnight.
>>722288450>2 year long weekendSure brah
>>722273654heh
>>722319571why would I ? I just took a piss and shit on your existence by proving you wrong. What the fuck do I need to fuck off for? I don't play your garbage trash game you retarded WoW transvestite. You fuck off from my board. Social contract will suspend your account. You have no nothing. Die you faggot.
>>722319618They are. They have shown off some of the new delves in the alpha. One is an outdoor Delve.
>bring back Metzen because people want his kind of writing back>don't let him do anything besides dancing on stage cause everything nowadays has to be designed by commiiteeImagine being hired as a writer but no one at your old company actually wants your writing - They just want you to smile in the camera and say things are going to be great with the same troon brigade still in charge of the narrative.
>>722319667>Social contract will suspend your account.Are you some kind of ESL? The "social contract" is a note that you agree to. It's not a person.
>>722319668Neat.
>>722319715You brown spic is the only ESL who is still subbed and role-playing on some server. Don't try to mental gymnastics your way out of it. You are playing a game for 12 year olds. You type something racist or sexual in chat, or that offends anything a woke faggot might feel offended for WILL get your account banned or suspended. Go kill yourself now.
If they're removing addons, aren't they also killing the RP servers that 100% relies on shit like totalrp3 and transmog helpers?
>>722319610not really nomodern raids have all the mechanics telegraphed very wellwhen you have to be a certain distance apart it puts circles around all the characters in the raid so you don't need an addon for that and things like soaks have universal vfx that instantly tells you it's a soak etcthe real issue is how much M+ relies on addons to tell you what the fuck is even happening in the absolute clusterfuck it is at any relevant key level
>>722319806>You brown spic is the only ESL who is still subbed and role-playing on some server.You need to get a refund from whatever cut-rate English school you went to.
>>722319854No, because those addons weren't using the parts of the API that are being culled. Ion stated specifically that they aren't looking to get rid of addons like TRP. They are removing access to most (maybe all) elements of combat through the API so that players don't need addons to play effectively.
>>722299436>have a billion straight, heteronormative, able-bodied characters>introduce 3 atypical ones>"WOKE WOKE WOKE DEI DEI MAGA TRUMP 2025 2025 BUFUUFFFFFFFFFFFFFUARTTTTTTPFFTT*****"
>>722319930>Ion stated specifically that they aren't looking to get rid of addons like TRP.But they should, since mods are ruining the game and catering to people who don't do any content. Evidently, Blizzard will never get serious about trying to save the game.
>>722319618Do whatever they want with delves just please please please either don't make the primary method the npc heals you through a potion on the ground or make the potion glow so I can see it through all the particle vomit mobs make.
>>722276508you have to be pretty much fucking retarded to play the current iteration of rogue
>>722319860stay on topic WoW subhuman I don't want to steer your retarded replies each time into some direction for you to cope on
>>722273067>okay NOW WoW is deadokay tranny keep it up
>>722319962>heteronormative, able-bodiedYou should type like a normal human being rather than Tumblrfag.
>>722303083I'm bladmsting on max setting in Dornogal without issues. Maybe invest in a proper pc.
>>722316189>rolled on a pvp serverSo because you were born a deranged masochist doesn't mean millions of people didn't enjoy vanilla WoW.>care bear server!!! noob!We still had huge epic battles over Hillsbrad that would last hours. It's just that when they were over we could quest in STV without getting killed every ten steps by two rogues, and we could walk into Black Rock Mountain without getting corpse camped by 30 people.
>>722290993Good luck with that, there'll be HOA tranny squad outside your fence waiting to hit report button the moment you click "finish building"
>>722276652I haven't played WoW in years, but is this still accurate?
>>722304285Yeah, geddon and ragnaros needed years of solving. Right lmao
>>722320310Sorry, meant to say, not a gay fag/crippled/retarded
>>722320341What's this? Is this for Wow's upcoming housing, or another game?
>>722300582Rogues are a fantasy trope. WoW moved away from being an RPG with dungeons having locked doors, traps, and chests. It's far closer to Diablo in playstyle now where you just run up to a heap of random creatures and start mowing them down by tapping abilities.Why be this slow sneaky guy when you can be a monk that rolls and flips everywhere (who also has a tank and heal spec) or a demon hunter that can literally fly and Goku-dash behind opponents (also has a tank spec). A rogue now is just a melee dps, an annoying thing to be in raids, that has outdated mechanics that don't do anything anymore. "Ooh, you can sneak around? And do what? Scout out the dungeon we're going to clear in 6.3 minutes? Oh yeah, that's great."
>first season of tww>trying to get io in m+ as an off meta spec>puggingpure hell. wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy
>>722320583>Why be this slow sneaky guyActually rogues are really fucking fast. Especially if you play Worgen and get even more movement abilities. Great for running old raids. Terrible in combat though, I hate that fucking Vanish is a mandatory part of Outlaw's rotation.
>>722320641lmaoooo people in m+ are toxic as fuck. I did have a good bit of fun during the dragonflight campaign
>>722320575wow housing, datamining shows new report options specific to housing content, no swastika gardens for chuddies, insta ban if it even remotely resembles one of dozens of symbols deemed offensive on bsky
>>722320727>need to have timed a +12 to get in to a +12>instant declines for an hour until you finally get a group and the tank overpulls and leaves 30 seconds init's enough to break anyone tbqh
>>722273654Tell them only that the Lich King is dead, and that World of Warcraft died with him.
>>722320757>no swastika gardens for chuddiesGood.
>>722314940Same I can't be bother with mythic thrust when pvp gear is seperate>Captcha AGRGH
>>722273654WoD, Legion, BfA and Shadowlands nearly killed the game for goodLegion was just popular because it added nearly every fanservice they had to make up for WoD, the gameplay itself was shitDF gameplay was the best it's been since about MoP (pick your favorite) or so but they filled the game with pozzed shit, but the gameplay itself was top tier and is still great
>>722320757imagine paying for this garbage
>>722306589>rewardingWhy? If someone enjoys having complex rotations/abilities, then they should enjoy it for its own sake, not because there is some giga-damage payoff attached.
>>722304008>10 players carrying 30 retards wasn't just a memeThere was NO way you were going to get 39 competent people to all show up for Ahn Qiraj at the same time in 2006. Half of them were mentally ill, like they'd quit the guild over not getting healed enough. Most of them couldn't move and attack at the same time, not a joke.I can remember being the ranged tank for Twin Emps and doing everything right while a gaggle of retards struggled in vain to kill the mutant bug spawns. Telling non-tanks to "pick up the trash" just didn't work, they couldn't parse it out in their brains. You'd have to explain to a level 60 shaman what earthbind totem was and how he should drop it.Vanilla was 98% casuals, the myth of everyone raiding is revised history. A quarter of the players didn't even reach max level by the release of BC.
>>722320926Legion and Classic was the last time the game was popular and would've been a logical end point if Blizzard weren't extremely greedy.
>>722300627>if you are gonna have enemies that can all assrape you then your character needs to be easy to play.Nah you're completely wrongThe game is not that hard, it's just that a lot of people don't put in the work and don't do mechanicsGetting rid of bloat and shitty class design is one thing, dumbing everything down is another
>>722320935>>722320862>>722320757>>722320575private neighborhoods are still a thing though, imagine the drama after catching a report in one of them, you'll know one of your buddies snitched on you, but who?
>>722321059Truth, I was like level 38 in BC, it was only when they revamped leveling that it was easy to get to max without inputting ordinate amounts of time. Albeit it was also often down to being young and foolish.
Getting rid of addons is nice but that's not a good enough reason for me to start playing again, I hate the modern game because they neglect the leveling experience and world in favor of focusing on instanced content like m+ and raids, world pvp is as dead and arenas/battlegrounds are mandatory if you want to make any progress there. Now they're introducing player housing which means even less players will be out in the world, instead they'll sit in their own secluded little instances and the game will feel deader than ever.They should just make this a lobby game at this point since the leveling exists only to sell level boosts in the cash shop.
>>722276652I just don't understand why they don't just balance class/spec output based on complexity, just make sure that the floor is low enough so that people can still fail their way to victory and then just tell people:>You wanna do MAX DEEPS!? Play Ench shammy. You wanna be VIBING!? Play Paladin... Any spec of Paladin.>INB4 b-but wut aboot if I like the aesthetics!?Then you just learn to play it or stay away from content that requires you to play "well" to win. The same shit has happened in XIV where every fucking job is designed around the dumbest retards imaginable so even if you want the complexity you just can't fucking have it, I swear to god, 90% of the problems in the genre is because the devs simply refuse to put any expectations on the player to actually engage with the "game" part of MMORPGs.
>>722321154>I just don't understand why they don't just balance class/spec output based on complexityBecause that doesn't work. People will demand that you play the complex specs because everything else will be suboptimal. That is the reality of modern online gaming, not just WoW.
>>722321059>Legion and Classic was the last time the game was popularThat was only because of ecelebs and does not mean that the game is good, only popularLegion had horrid gameplay, rng legendaries, AP grind, world quests, timegated Suramar and class halls etc.Classic was just streamerbait, anyone that played that only did it because their favorite streamer was doing soThe actual gameplay massively improved in DF and TWW and hasn't been better in a very long time, it's leagues above anything during the WoD - Shadowlands era
>>722321132>muh leveling experienceEat a dick. You always say that but then grind dungeons mindlessly in classic to get to max lvl asap.
>>722321154>why they don't just balance class/spec output based on complexityWhy would they do that? So your little pp gets hard because you managed to push 5 buttons in a sequence instead of 3? Complexity should be its own thing. That way there is a choice - if someone wants to have a 35-button rotation with positionals and buff tracking - they'll have options for them and if someone wants to slap 2 buttons with their dick and still do competitive damage - they will also have something available.
>>722321427No way, I do dungeons to get the blues so I can kill alliance out in the world easier.
>>722321427I hate these fuckers. From day-fucking-one everyone said>The real game begins at max level!Then the "real game" ended up being Molten Core and I quit and didn't really get back into it until WotLK.
>>722321393>People will demand that you play the complex specs because everything else will be suboptimal.The reason this problem exists is because the entire genre has been consumed by "number must go up". It's like playing the fucking stock market and if you've ever been in a convo with retards that interact with it as a job you'll understand why, they will make the most retarded and ass backwards plans to squeeze every single penny out of a stock before they dip, just like how the retards that force the "meta" on people in MMOs will do the same but with DPS, regardless of if it's necessary or not.If MMO devs stopped putting so much focus on an ever increasing grind for numbers and stopped balancing their games around the higest numbers and started balancing around the lowest ones, this problem would slowly start to self correct.
>>722321503You will never be able to balance one against the other and people will be forced into whatever they don't find fun as retail wow is entirely filled with minmax larpers.
>>722321638Spoken like a true vanilla-classic warrior player
>>722321695>You will never be able to balance one against the otherRight now every spec in the game is within like 10% of each other purely based off damage output. Unless you you exclusively play with PUG apes or wannabe "competitive" sweats, you can easily play w/e the fuck you want and still clear all content there is.The "meta" is defined way more by utility and synergy between different classes/specs than damage.
>>722321571>The real game begins at max level!Yeah, that was the cope because leveling was ass. >raiding is super fun bro!>pvp is just amazing!You see these bitches crying how leveling was amazing, but then end up having people booat them 20 times through SM to avoid the "amazing" leveling content.
>>722273067people are gonna have to learn to play without their addon crutches.
>>722320641Pugging in MMOs not just WoW is hell on earth since it's an exact copy of the wests current view on job applications>Need a job? Get 5 years of experience doing this exact job before we give it to you and no, no one is going to give you that "experience", oh and you need a degree, any degree will do even if it's unrelated as long as we don't deem it as "over qualification". You can skip this req if you know someone that is already working for us, you'll still get shit pay regardless though.
>>722321924>max quits the game he doesn't playWin win.
>>722321896The game does get old as there has been no new content in 20 years, it goes without saying that once you've done 1-60 enough times it looses its luster. If they ever made another brand new 1-60 adventure with all new content I'd definitely enjoy that experience.
>>722322148Yeah, until you hit level 10 and start dungeon spam all over again.
>>722322319Quit projecting faggot
>>722322359>no u!I accept your concession. Also>ad hominem
>>722305432Forced soul.
>>722322563Jesus Christ you're insufferable
>>722322148fetch quests are all the same if your brain isnt rotten
>>722321869Most people play with pugs, that is really the crux of it and will forever remain so till mmos start to actively balance for pugs enjoyment first.
>>722273654I liked Shadowlands more than the expansions that followed.
>>722321638>stopped balancing their games around the higest numbers and started balancing around the lowest oneswhat the fuck does this mean you retarded niggerOkay lets design a boss enrage mechanic so you cant stack healers, but make it based off the lowest DPS you could possibly do so it doesnt do anythingbrilliant
>>722315526rogue has flavorful out of combat things you get to do i sorely regret my warrior, he doesnt get to do jack shit besides smash stuff
>>722273654I fell for the bfa meme, never looked back again.
>>722322747Feeling is mutual.
>>722283563>5mans are le goodYeah if you're trans.
>>722273067I don't get why people are so mad about the addon removal, it still keeps everyone on the same playing field doesn't it? If fights become literally humanly impossible then at least it'll be an amusing shitshow for a few months until they backpedal. If stuff is still doable, you still win if you're a better player than other people so what's the issue?
>>722323528the fun part is playing with friends, not repeating the same dungeon ad nauseum
>>722273067>removing addons>redesigning all specs>less complexity>housing>easier transmog farmingare they finally realizing the casuals are their lifeblood?
>>722273264They get rid of add-ons in the same patch where they added a one button rotation to play the game for you. Complete fucking retards.
>>722323828I guess so.
>>722273067Played from Vanilla to late WotLK, and then for a short period during Cata, and eventually almost all of Legion, BFA eventually killed any goodwill I've had. I knew the game was doomed in TBC, when they introduced the content treadmill, excessive vertical progression and dailies. WotLK's dungeon finder and iLvl garbage destroyed the social fabric, the class "adjustments" started pruning class identity; Cata destroyed the old World and pruned classes; MoP was a tone-deaf attempt to cater to Asia; WoD introduced timetravel andalternate dimensions finishing off what remained of the lore whilst implementing singleplayer features; Legion rekindled some of WoW's soul, but tainted it with RNG in its class design and timegating/excessive grind in everything else; BFA took the bad things of Legion and made them worse, whilst removing all its good things.All in one, WoW has always been an artifically propped up corporate testlab for predatory proto-mobile buisness practices and used to proliferate them across the genre and eventually the entire industry. It's a testament to the powers of addiction and social misengineering.
>>722324076>I knew the game was doomed in TBCCouldn't finish a dungeon award.>WotLK iLvl garbageDidn't play the game award.
>>722323217Decouple gear progression from raiding. Basically make fuck around in the world simulator like gw2. That is how gamerdads play it in the first place, so might as well build whole game on that.
>>722324580>make a dead gameno thanks
>>722324076>BFA took the bad things of Legion and made them worseexact opposite of what happened btw but your streamer buddy didnt tell you that
>>722320357For some classes yesFor others its the polar opposite and thats what annoys a lot of players. Some specs get completely ignored because they're too demanding to play when you could switch and just faceroll for better damageYeah complicated specs can feel rewarding to play but getting beaten on dps meters by someone putting in 1/5th of the effort you are is disheartening.Ideally they need to do a big pass over of EVERY spec to bring them in line with each other, both in terms of similar difficulty, but also in terms of that difficulty being lower.WoW's challenge should come from the encounter, not pressing your buttons in the exact right order at the right time or you have a massive dps loss. Its like trying to text and drive, its a disasterYour spec should be relatively easy to understand and play, so you can focus on the "road" which is this increasingly complex dragonfucker in front of you asking you to engage in its 5 different mechanics to avoid death
>>722321154>Then you just learn to play it or stay away from content that requires you to play "well" to win.This was vanilla wow's philosophy and it was shit because in theory it means "stay in your lane" but in reality its "play something you dont want to play or miss out on content"Specs should be a matter of player choice in the same way class is, not a "click this one to do this content"
>>722325086nobody wants to play just DDR against the boss with a 1 button rotationoptimizing your rotation while handling mechanics is better, and optimizing your rotation requires depth in the rotation to begin with
>>722323891XIV has never had any complexity in its combat
>Wowbabs having to actually play the game for once instead of their addons doing it for them.Remember when your world race teams got washed when they tried dipping their toes into ffxiv's ultimates?
>>722325174Nigger you, yes you personally, never optimized your rotation, you looked it up online.
>>722321978Actually, in real life they just hire underqualified browns because they can pay them like shit and abuse them. I can't think of an analogue for that in WoW.
>>722325458>muh ultishitswow won and mogged your corpse
>>722325458Ooh, I member!Max got btfo'd hard.
>>722273067Let me guess, you still can't play as Naga
>>722325809No, just like you can't play a furbolg, vrykul or any other cringe meme races.
>>722325809Can't play as high elves either.
>>722273067I'd spit on its corpse but they removed that ability
>>722276868what about the news is fake?
>>722325174>Nobody wants to play DDR with a button rotationHere are the three scenarios:1>Easy rotation, difficult mechanics>Press your buttons whilst engaging with the boss, skill is defined by your understanding of the encounter2>Hard rotation, easy mechanics>Every boss is essentially the same tank and spank, you need to stare at your bars and cooldowns constantly to maximise your dps while following a guided flow chart3>Both encounter and spec mechanics are difficult>Majority of the playerbase does not want to do this because its miserableGee I wonder why blizz wants to go the route of option 1
Rate my WoW girlies. I unsubbed 9 months ago though. Don't think i'm going back
>>722325495Insane that you cant wrap your head around making moment to moment optimizations within an encounterwhy do non-players speak?
>>722326335No I will not rate your barbie dolls that you spent hundreds of hours dressing up tranny.
>>722326158>Easy rotation, difficult mechanics>skill is defined by your understanding of the encounterexcept you cant use this to optimize your damage because your class is so shallow, so there is no skill expression
>>722326503>i need to actually pilot my spec!whoa, no shit
>>722326730So I did do the optimizations then you retarded niggerAnd when they gut down classes, all that skill expression goes away
>>722326531why?
>>722326870No, you just piloted it adequately. Skill expression is a fucking meme born by youtube and twitch ecelebs, perpetuating that retardation just makes you their orbiter.
>>722326158dont forget with 1, less effort to balance a boss than balancing every class.
How to not run out of mana? With a proper rotation?
>>722273067Haven't played in years. Removing the raid addons might be a good step but can't think of playing arenas without gladius. The in game interface sucks at displaying cooldowns and DRs.
>>722326569The skill expression is understanding the mechanics of the boss fight, which means every raid and dungeon has new things to learn and masterVs the alternative where you master your flowchart and press it like a zombie all expansion and the encounter means nothing
>>7223261583 is basically how WildStar died despite being one of the best MMOs ever created. Casuals couldn't do high level dungeons, let alone raids, without constantly wiping so they quit playing despite having a lot of secondary casual mechanics like player homes and such.
>>722285193Fuck it I'll try it.
Now if only City of Heroes Homecoming could die.
>>722304774Legion was just cool thematically and they added cool fanservice things, quests lore, hidden secrets. But gameplay-wise it's as bad as BFA.
>>722315768>not limited in supply, easy for anyone to obtain, and won't disappear if you don't play for a while or unsub. Ffxiv has that too retard, just no one cares because the limited houses are what’s valuable
>>722325086While I understand your plea, this is not the answer you want.Homogenizing everything to have the same buttons, same rotation, without any thought behind it is just fucking sad.Look at the state of FF14 and how the community is crying out for actual changes because the devs went to far and basically turned any classes that had a little bit of difficulty into crayon eating mouth breathers (SMN/BLM for example).While it's true that doing more shit just to do less damage than someone pushing a singgle button doesn't feel good, it should be the goal of Bliz to buff them up so the "harder" class deal more damages or at least equivalent to the braindead ones.
>>722327707Its a shame. I really, REALLY liked the aesthetics of Wildstar, it was Overwatch before OW existed and it was better. And the features were awesome.The devs had a great vision they just made a game too hardcore for mass appeal and wow players werent willing to switch
WoW faggots in 2025 be like
>>722327994>MMO have garbage gameplaymore news at 11
>>722328263MMOs and gacha games i consider fundamentally the same type of genre. A virtual world that you can throw your time and money into to pretend you're better than other people because your real life is shit. That's why they're all invariably slop, they're not made for people with healthy mindsets.
>>722327994>wow bad>wow is dead for sure this time>wow players - badmm?
>>722329282All have been true for about 10 years
>>722273067Actually, we're back
>>722329496maybe for you anon
>>722326028Literally a bunch of RMT's, Botters and GDKP's in that pic
>>722324882>exact opposite of what happenedAh, yes, stuffing more RNG into classes and completely ignoring class fantasy again, doubling and tripling down on "burrowed power" (azerite grind), raping the lore with girlbosses and setting up the disaster that'd be Shadowlands, introducing the retarded Island grind to continue the mythic treadmill, (...) have been great decisions. >but your streamer buddy didnt tell you that10/10 projection.
>>722324306>.t only played "Classic"Niggercattle.
>>722329898Why would I ever play that tranny funserver?
>>722329282i game in that position as well
>>722330069>didn't play in vanillaSorry you missed the best wow ever was and will ever will be
>>722330196>played Classic>with all the custom changes/buffs to items like Val'anyr>calls you niggercattleYou're subhuman and your classic cope funservers were never good.
>>722329571kek
>>722273378Agreed. I got so tied of having to download Gayass mods around cata. I understand that the game has a ton of stuff going on but the addons basically ruined pvp as well. There’s people who would interrupt you with automatic silences/kicks/etc. just pure cringe
Every year wow is dies over and over, yet other MMOs are the ones to die instead. WoW haters must be the lowest self-esteem posters of all types at this point.
>>722276383If you said chud to my face I would knock your teeth out faggot
>>722330593Chuddy
>>722320641Should have join guild and make at least a several buddies to try mythic together. Mythic+ is actually pretty fun when you can cooperate with other players, not join the group of randoms and do the exact same thing that you did tons of times.
>>722327994>mage pressing one button in 2005>mage pressing one button in 2025the more things change the more they stay the same
>>722326335the first one is cute.
>>722323824Because everyone knows that it'll be the latter, not the first, everyone pretty sure that they'll fuc things up. Blizzard still wants to see raids as somewhat competitive cybersport, they hired a lot of game designers to make mythic raids ridiculously hard. They wouldn't backpedal on that so easily. That's reminds me of shadow lands, players who actually played the game instantly said that some SL features are bad ideas that will fuck things up. And blizzard backpedalled on them later on.
WORLD OF WARCRAFT IS BACK CHUDS THE NEW ALLIED RACE DANCE JUST DROPPEDhttps://x.com/mrgmyt/status/1974021780965568976?s=46&t=xuDMpahxtEZnphCH3BONmg
>>722331668What the fuck is that?Is that supposed to be some sort of haka???Did they made the male was "cold" and the women one "hot" or something? Why does it look so bad?
>>722331668Omg they put SOOOO much love and care into these animations!!
>>722319962wow has been all dyke coded girlbosses since bfa
>>722332293
>>722273067It is not dead as long as there is pron of it, just look at Overwatch
Idk why WoW has devolved into catering to the top 1% and bottom 1% of players, I assume they buy the most cash shop shit, but everything in between that made the game interesting has been gutted or hyper curated to the point of being boring as fuck.>too many difficulties >too many currencies >the gear obtained by either is boring samey stat blocks>no giant world to explore, just fly over everything >even if flying was axed, the leveling takes a couple hours at most>no social requirement for anything>crafting is rng hell for lackluster stuff, no fun allowedIdk why everything needs a tutorial (even fucking dungeons don't require a group anymore) when the end game is sweating over a single dungeon with increasing artificial difficulty. There's no finality in "completing" anything and there's nothing else to do. WoW was always sorta sweaty, but at least there was unique gear, world pvp, and the economy wasn't fucked from irl cash.
>>722332549some oiler is most likely a e-sports enjoyer that stilll plays and does e-sports pvp,M+, and or raiding and is funding it. When Overwatch 2 went into Maintenance mode a month later an oiler wanted to fund an e-sports season for him and his boys so they took it out of Maintenance mode
>>722300629nice bait, made me reply, you fucking huntard
>>722307902Who even asked for this character.
>>722273654not wrong
How am I gonna play high without helki fuck
>>722334426>no dot tracker for aff and feraltime to rerollthey are simplifying rotations and idk if they will break combat logging and by extension parsing so maybe it wont matter as long as you are above the tanks
I might actually get back into it, new DH spec looks like everything I ever wanted, except maybe the demon form focus it got going on
>>722334643I seriously hope they don't touch helki, leave it alone. Its just a helper in rotation you still have to burst your hands to do dam.
Just dont smoke weed?
>>722334780>Its just a helper in rotationyou can use the assistant helper (not one button, just highlights) but its still not as good as hekiliits HE KI LI not helki
>>722334867Pain bro
>>722334964Well stop that
>>722334892Its gonna be such a pain after they fuck with all the add-ons, hope they don't touch the UI ones like being able to fucking move the map wondow.
>>722273067gcj and their ilk really ruined gaming
>>722332549>>the gear obtained by either is boring samey stat blocksit always was thoughthere are more weird effect items now than ever before>>crafting is rng hell for lackluster stuffyou have no idea what youre talking aboutits deterministic BiS for 2 slots and near BiS for everything else
