So uhhh, apparently because I repaired the "Ruined Tool" at Forge Daughter, now I just can never get the railgun version? The hell?
Usage of any tools means YDNBTGSorry, not sorry
>>722306821>My wife died before I could get her weaponI'm going to cheat.
>>722306821i liked the architect version. has a 3 shot burst. only the first shot deals decent damage but the following shots can apply poison still despite its pidly damage.
So uhhh, apparently because I traded the "Polar Star" for the Machine Gun, now I just can never get the Spur? The hell?
>>722306821You'll live.
>>722306979>poisonLook at this loser and laugh.
>>722307470Your fault for not using the best status in gaming.
>>722306821It's a good tool either way
>>722307495oh yeah I sure care about 3 dps in a game where you can shit out 80+ dps while functionally immortal
>>722307909>lace isn't constantly parrying youWhat the fuck am I doing wrong?
>>722307909>WandererCoward
>>722308251Dunno, seems pretty brave to walk amongst retards showing intelligence while all the other spineless bastards are afraid to use a superior tool for fear of being told they didn't beat the game.
>>722308251>noooooooo you can't play the game with the most fun crest because......... YOU JUST CAN'Tbeat the game with wanderer by the way. bought the key the instant i could and used it on wormways and got rewarded
>>722308057lace parrying you is just free damage on lace, its trivial to avoid either followup and you get multiple seconds of free punish or a heal window
>>722307909daily reminder that if you ever used tools, you did not beat the game
>>722308251I beat the game just like I beat every soulsborne before itusing every tool at my disposalits part of the game
>>722307909So wanderer has a faster heal as well KEK causal shit
>Unnecessary path around Karmelita's stage instead of just a normal entrace>Unnecessary trash mob before the boss fight every time>She can just block attacks randomly>If at any point the game detects you above he, she'll slide away from youAh yes, another 10 minute fight where you only get 1 hit between 5 attacks.
>>722308538The most fun crest is Witch.
>>722308936It doesn't heal faster, it just has insane silk generation because the devs didn't normalize silk generation with speed changes. So the Crest for silk, Reaper, actually sucks at generating silk while Wanderer shits it out. Combine Wanderer with the quick heal and 4 mask heal and you're pretty much always able to heal off any damage you are taking.
>>722308438Thanks for calling me brave for spamming poison cogflies and tacks with my Architect crest, finally someone recognizing my courage!
>>722308984based
>>722309028Bind speed is actually different between the crestsWanderer has a faster bind speed than say shaman where binding is unusable garbage
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH JUST DIE ALREADY
>>722309346that's just because shaman's bind is dogshit, iirc witch's is the fastest
>>722309727beast is the fastest by far but it works pretty differently
>>722309727>>722309880well yeah shaman, witch and beast all have different bind animations than each other and normalhunter, wanderer, reaper & architect share the same animation, and architect uses it for both healing and restocking
At first everyone says you're a shitter for using Reaper but then later everyone concludes that Reaper is the worst crest in the game.Thus I am not a shitter because I used the 'hardest' i.e worst crest to beat the game. And had fun doing it (collecting my little worthless glowing orbs).
>>722310129>architect uses it for both healing and restockingAre you talking specifically about the animation duration? Because Architect's repair animation is visually completely different from a regular bind
>>722310660reaper is only bad if you're a minmaxing autist, the utility of easier pogos/better reach outweighs the dps loss imo. I stuck with it for my whole playthrough besides swapping to witch to dick around here and there
>>722310660You trade off raw power for convenience, it's maybe a little boring but overall neither hard mode nor a crutch, I'd rate it somewhere around Hunter's level in terms of fairness
>>722309028I just hate that wanderer's range is so small
>>722309542This wouldn't be so bad but you have shit like her instantly turning around and spinning if you're standing behind her after she misses her 3 hit combo. It's just punishing you for trying to punish.
I'm getting ready to try and beat GMS while infected. Have a feeling it's going to be hard with no healing.
>>722311083GMS is probably one of the fairest bosses once you learn her pattern, though. At most you might take a hit or two during the second phase.
>>722310660Reaper is the worst crest for certain aerial bosses. It's like trying to fight Radiance with only 1 hit per jump.
>>722311029A lot of the bosses have a condition where if you're very close to them they'll go right into a specific melee attack. You need to be aware that standing super close to any boss invites this behaviour. Another obvious example is Lace who only ever does that huge flurry of strikes when you stand near her. The good thing about Karmelita's melee attacks though is that any time you know or suspect she's about to do them, it's a free 1-2 hits via pogo. Pogo is completely safe whenever she's attacking up close, provided you can get above her in time.
>>722310660>At first everyone says you're a shitter for using ReaperAre those people in the room with you now?
>>722306893whats that acronym mean, different anon
having crests to toy with is just more replayability for me. It sucks that shaman's so late into the game
>>722306821Is it really that good?
>>722311359I want to try Shaman but don't have any memory lockets left atm
>>722311337What it means is that you can disregard the person posting it as a gibbering idiot. What it stands for is "you did not beat the game," a shibboleth used for purity testing and shitposting.
>>722311375pair it with weavelight and you have an actual spellslinger, very cool
>>722311289There were no shortage of people saying Reaper was cheating because of the easy pogo.
>>722308984>>722309315>having fun with witch bind nuke build>requires learning how to position and time your heals but the damage trade off is crazy >can kill lost lace p3 in three heals>moveset is also dope>learn later that extended threadstorm does more damage than a multibinder+dual mirrors witch crest heal while costing 1/3rdPretty lame.
>>722311517I mean you can say there's no shortage of people saying that eating literal shit is good for you and be technically correct. I'm pretty sure the vast majority were always saying that reaper isn't very good.
>>722311517Wanderer has a better pogo.
>>722311375>>722311438shaman with pale nails is workable but damn you can do NOTHING but avoid ever getting hit and regen because you'll never heal any damage you take and if you take even 1 hit it disables flea so you cost 33% more to use spellsand the regen on weavelight for bars 2/3/4 are garbage, first silk comes 3x fasterBest thing shaman can do is just shrek some bosses instantly because you can deal almost 1350 damage in a single fully upgraded bar of thread storms
Favourite place.
when is silksong gonna add invasion? I want to twink invade some nubs with reaper
I used Reaper a lot on my first playthrough but once I actually started to seriously use other crests I saw how bad it was. I feel like Hunter invalidates it since it has the exact same slots (why did they do this?) but faster attack speed and a better ability with Focus. As for Reaper with pogo I never agreed with it being the best. Wanderer is the pogo champ with it's quickness. Can get several off before Reaper's one. I think Reaper and Beast both need buffs. They could buff Reaper's silk orbs to give more as that seems to be the whole design of the crest is silk generation but as it stands it's actually the worst at it.
If bosses are allowed to just fucking cheat and teleport instantly, I'm allowed to use wanderer's crest
>>722311460wait, does this happen if you ignore the tyrant quest?
>>722311396>shibbolethThanks for the new word, jew
>>722311762Fact is, you're just gimping yourself not using Wanderer. The devs, for some reason, really decided to make every other crest worthless, even the default one, in the presence of Wanderer.
>>722311762>They could buff Reaper's silk orbs to give more as that seems to be the whole design of the crest is silk generation but as it stands it's actually the worst at it.As it stands>barely allows you to generate as much silk as the other crests>shuts off if you get hit once>still need to collect the drops manuallyThe crest isn't so bad that it's unplayable and I used it up until I got the witch crest at the very ass end of Act II, but it's as you say, if you used any of the other crests (besides beast), you quickly realize that you're gimping yourself for a moveset that lets you be a little lazier.
>>722311460I can't believe they didn't account for him after this. Inexcusable. He mogs Sherma in the same way cats do dogs (Sherma is a narcissistic puppy)
>bilewaterJesus. It's like I'm in The Depths again.
>>722311853yes, but you can still do the tyrant quest and not sit on the bench when the tyrant might attack (the signs are obvious) before act 2
>>722312141What are those signs, pray tell? I never noticed anything, even while watching other people play that part.
I've been stuck at Skarrsinger the whole day. I also use Reaper. Coincidence?
>>722312215>no bugs in the background>garbs of the pilgrims on the line missing as wellStuff like this, I think the music is also more muted but I could be wrong. There is only a chance that the tyrant might attack, if you leave the screen and come back and the bugs are there again you can sit on the bench without problems
>>722312283>>722312327I don't like these. You should kill yourself. You should seriously kill yourself.
But what even was the Silksong?
>>722312426Likely the industrial-religious construct designed to keep GILF perma-roofied.
>>722312382>the most important person in my life (a random anon) is telling me to kmsMaybe I should
>>722312343huh. Those feel like oversights/technical limitations with the "scene", I can't think of a reasonable in-universe explanation for that which makes sense.>>722312181Not usually a shipper but I seriously can't explain the emphasis on Lace's ass and that smug grin during the ending.
>>722308973Karmelita's fight was ass up until she sped up and I could stop whiffing my attacks expecting her to move faster and having to wait for her to do something because moving in myself would risk me getting hit without having enough time to react. I didn't like her fight at first but the moment I got to her third phase it became the most fun fight in the game, shame it only lasted 30 seconds before I beat her.
>>722306821All versions are usless anyway. You'll never use them.90% of the shit you do in this game is for useless "rewards".
Not usually one for cosmetics but I really wish the game had Mount Fay, Bilewater, and Citadel themed skins for Horny. I want her to be ghillied out in green netting, or wearing deep blue with a fluff collar. Perhaps there could be a Slab gimpsuit version too, as 50$ DLC.
my switch is banned should i bother downloading the update for silksong if i turn my laptop on today?
>>722312948The Mount Fay version is the best feeling and hardest hitting tool in the game.
>>722311817Nigga you had 5 years to react to that jump and get under her
>>722312998Update ?
>>722313041>just react to the glitched animations
>>722313017Imagine using your silk for anything other than silk storm
>>722311762Beast crest should have more tool slots. And reaper should have a slight damage increase per hit.
>>722312968>wowie, a maskmaker? finally I can get to customize my own mask and changing cloak even. let's see what this guy has!nope, It's just npc
>>722307025lol
>>722313416Ah but you can endure another round of cock and ball torture by taking a delivery him all for...a few rosaries!
>>722313017it's too slow and a waste of silk.
>>722313460but if you do ALL the cock and ball torture sessions, like 10 of them, you can get a MATERIUM to display in your HOME so you have a COMPLETE gameno gameplay effect
Do you think she knows the band Portal
Bros... where the fuck is this water looking area at? I'm in act 3 and still haven't found it
>>722313704Just follow the markers they put on your map.
>>722313704Mister Mushroom takes you there after you rebuild the First Chorus.
>>722313460>>722313629It was a cool routing exercise, finding good spots to silksoar so I could climb the mountain all the way to the top super easily with just 1 soar per room.
I just use Hunter because I do not want to learn another playstyle in an already long game.
>>722313460hey, I did that. kinda pointless but I had fun. I was hoping to see if there will be a delicate flower quest after his deliver (it didn't). but to my surprise, I also didn't know TC was into this strand-type game as well, pretty cool huh?
Oh this guys booth got crushed underneath boulders after Act 3 started, should I have done his challenges?
>>722306893suck my dick, nobody cares
>>722307470You didn't play the game.
>>722314354Any unique rewards you miss go to Grindle's shop in the blasted steps. You're fine.
Is there anything crucial I should do / tidy up prior to going into the abyss with the flower?
>>722314558nah
>>722314354I heard the prize he gives you is just going to be sitting on the table if you don't win his game in act 2.
>>722314558That ends the game.
>>722313704You need the Hornet statuette to access it, better hope you didn't break it for shards
>>722314595no it doesn't
>>722314616>silktrannies will defend this
>>722307025Okay but the Spur is way better than the weaver silkshot
>>722306821It counts toward the tools collection achievement, so you shouldn't worry about it.
>>722314589I keep hearing about these fallback methods of getting stuff in Act 3. Is the 100% speedrun meta just leaving everything for the end and then doing a cleanup lap effortlessly picking up all the crap you were supposed to get in the early game? (I guess not since you need to walk around more for that, but, in theory.)
>>722314558Get 100%, walking back out of the abyss to do it later is a bit of a chore.
>>722314589There was a tool pouch expansion/sharpness on the table but not sure if that was one of the prizes and whether it stacks if you already won it if so
>>722310660>At first everyone says you're a shitterWhy are you taking those people seriously in the first place? Those types of people are usually worse than you at the game
>>722314804that is the prize you get from him
>>722314804That is the prize he would normally give you yeah. The rest are just various kinds of money afaik.
Am I locked out of the Twisted Bud ending if I didn't do it in Act 2?
>>722307909FUCKING HOW IS SHE NOT PARRYING YOU?????
>>722307447Why are you so fucking woke?
>>722308438Unfathomably based.>y-you didn't beat the game.Yeah, that's right. I curbstomped it. I know it hurts your ego faggot
>>722306893TrueA bunch of weak faggotsNo doubt attracted to the cuckold storyline
>>722314723The stuff left behind is a tossup between being sent to Grindle (at the blasted steps), or remaining behind at the corpses of the NPCsi'd imagine it's>rush to double jump and all other movement techs asap>get as much out of the way quest completion done to open act 3, leave everything else>pick everything up during the cleanup phase in act 3 including all the merchants, as later charms give you massively increased rosary/shard farming speed on top of just having more mobility/powerBeing as most zones have SOMETHING you need to do in act3, there's not much point spending any extra time in a1/a2.
>>722314652>he broke the gift for shardssoulless
>>722310660If you used crests your didn't beat the game nigger
>YDNBTGPost your low% clears or you're a bunch of niggers pretending that you're not.
>>722311219This whole game is easy as shit my 5 year old beat it no problemsBunch of fucking games journalists invaded /v/ over the last few years I swear to God
>>722313972>I do not want to learn another playstyleThen you should be using Wanderer (unless you haven't played HK)
>>722311359Just hack them in retard
i can't switch crests because i can't play without hunter dash attack
>>722311536You didn't beat the game cuckold
>>722315369You think that you think you do but you do not.
>>722306893It means I Did Nicely Beating The Game?Well thanks anon!
>>722311747Go back to dark souls cheating nigger
>>722314968Have you tried just like, not caring if she parries you?look at all the fucks I give when I take damage
>Hey Matt we decided to make a 2nd version of that boss you voiced, mind coming in to record?>What? You just had major dental work and you can't speak at all?>Uh yeah sure just come in it's fine no one will notice
>>722314069>making Horner's shoulders wider than her hipsA tranny drew this.
>>722311817Skill issue
>>722315476Can you post more of these
>>722314968>>722315476Dude are you me? I also just retard monkey brain SMASH SMASH DIE DIE on shit.It just works.
>>722312520You should consider it
>>722313704Just look up a guide at this point it's embarrassing
>got bored of Bilewater runback>decided to start a run of Steel Soul as a palette cleanser>now I'm further in progression in my ~8th Steel Soul run than my main runThis is stressful. Idk what these bosses are starting to do.Also being able to save and quit in combat is ridiculous. I've had to police myself several times because the twmptation was there. I only do it out of combat now. Steel Soul needed a hearthstone/darksign.
>>722314968This is a horrible display here I think you’re playing bad on purpose
Game beaters lostGame non-beaters won
>>722315737I love how you can tell that the thread posters are getting tired of their shit over time lmao
>the Mist is just Phantom kicking up dust and steam using the organ>this is also why she sends her shadow clones at you the whole time
>>722313272people unironically say this game is good, let alone the best Souls...
>>722315737>>722315839What does that even mean
Any big patches coming up in the near future?Bought it on release, but patches kept dropping one by one.
>>722316708shitters spamming you did not beat the game
>>722315609Yeah but then I realized you were using reverse psychology and that you actually want to see more
>>722316429Gosh, I miss the days on /v/when this game released >I-it's a shockwave>G-git gud...
>>722316965I see thank and excuse my autism
Seamtress fight runback
>>722317762Pinstress? Just fall down.
>>722317793What? After the fight starts? Why
>>722317813There's a bench above her
>>722317762There's an even worse one in Blasted Steps.
>>722317762there's two super easy benches basically next to her. If you have silksoar use the bottom one, otherwise use the top one and drop down.
>>722306821>Silksong issueHere's an issue. You pay 1000 rosaries for a bath in your home, then shortly after absorb Eva and your bed (and every other bench) does the same thing the bath does, but faster. And the bath tub is opaque so you can't even see under Hornet's skirt like you can in Kratt's spa. The home bath should have unlocked the option to toggle the nude-mode from the Slab segment, to use elsewhere in the game
>Be Hornet>Wake up pissed>Kill innocent Moss Mother >Goes out of her way to kill Volt Wyrm (for nothing but a trinket) >Kills Sister Splinter for no particular reason >Kills countless mossgrubs, bilewaterians, fluffy mount fay flyers, innocent pilgrims, ants, and skullbugs. >Kills entire ecosystems worth of bugs>Why would the citadel do this She is the problem.
>>722315476shame on you anon you accidentally dodged a single attack at the end of the clipevery other attack hit your face
>>722317939Green Prince was perhaps the most egregious. Grieving in peace? Ayo it's time for your heart-ectomy.
>>722307470yup, gonna use tools even harder next playthrough
>>722316429Its a step up from 1 at least
>>722315708>Saving and quittingYou didn't beat Steel SoulIf you're scared do a normal run alongside it so you can explore forward freely
>>722306893>include mechanic in-game>constantly give player ammo for mechanic>ammo has limit, so you need to upgrade it or use it>there's a dedicated crest for it>it counts towards 100%>fags complain if you use itAlso DPS is meaningless because you only get 1-2 hits in at a time with bosses
I can forgive the Snails for just about everything except taking my Snare Setter away from me.
>>722318436To be honest the fact that they all gave their lives to perform the heart spell did a lot to redeem them in my eyes.
>>722306821>oh no I made a choice and now I have to live with the "consequences"why most games nowadays are made for retards
>>722318385You can only get in 1-2 attacks on bosses if you are trying to not get hitAnd architects can't afford to take any damage because they can't get silk for ammo and silk for heals and land 5+ attacks to regain silk and use toolsface it, tools suck dick>deal less damage than normal attacks>consume ephemeral resources>very limited ammo and recharge>can't kill lategame bosses on their own
>>722319091Do you not understand the concept of a tool?
>>722317042>>I-it's a shockwaveit amuses me to no end that this giga-cop for DS2's shitty hitboxes was actually made real and legitimate in elden ring where almost every single heavy downward slam attack (and a few normal looking attacks) were given actual,literal shockwaves to catch you out and make enemies less helpless when fighting multiple attackers
Are there any Grom or Gromlings in Act 3 because I haven’t killed enough to complete the journal. Am I cooked? The blue ones are there but they are a different entry
>>722318071Prince was gay and also a narcissist.He deserved it.
>>722319226Yes. right side of wormways where you meet shakira
>>722319091>getting hityou didnt beat the game
>>722319226Yeah no worries, just search around the Wormways, you can't accidentally softlock yourself out of an incomplete journal.There's missable bosses but that won't count toward 100%
>>722319091If tools suck dick, doesn't that mean its actually harder than not using tools and therefore is the true epeen way to play? >Used your heal? You didn't beat the game
>>722306893Nigger, tools are not powerful enough to justify taking them that seriously. Wanderer crest by itself is much more broken. Only Architect can spam them to an extent where they win a boss fight for you and it requires you to trade in your heals. You might as well say that using prosthetics means you didn't really beat Sekiro. If you said Wanderer+flintslate+flea brew means you didn't beat the game, I might actually see that as a sensible position because the combo makes Wanderer's already overpowered nature even more busted.
>>722319140>pin, 3pin, shard, longpin, boomerang, ring, pimpbomb, conch, silkshot, drill, wheel, voltvesselall of these just wind up being>press button to deal damage>deals less DPS than normal attacks, without generating silk to healCogflies/tacks add some extra dps if you can cast them between phases but are only worth a couple nail hits eachRosary cannon is like the rest except a total fucking jokeThere are only 3 tools with any worthwhile concept. One just adds 50% damage + dot but only lasts 8 seconds. One is just a way for architect builds to cheat heals more efficiently than normal binding but takes dick tons of time to set up and 80 shards to refill, unless you want to go retard overdose mode than its worse lmaoSo yeah the only reason for tools to exist is to let you quaff flea brew every 10 seconds
>>722319467Okay, but do you understand the concept of a tool?
fun things are fun
>>722319425If you used wanderer+flintslate+flea brew you truly didn't beat the gameIn fact you probably didn't even play it
>>722318534The snails did nothing wrong>they unleashed the void on PharloomIt was the only way to trap GMS and they knew it.
>>722309028>Wanderer now only generates 1/2 notch of silk per needle hit (like Reaper's orbs)>generates two full notches on a crit>Reaper no longer loses its post-healing buff when you take damage>your incentive to avoid getting hit is just that you'll have to use up some of that extra silk on a healWould this make them balanced?
Verdania is one of the best designed marshes in gaming, what were they thinking just making it a dream area? Same with gutting the coral area. I've heard they thought everything needed to be shit due to the citadel, but if your setting doesn't allow for beautiful nature that's a serious flaw in the setting.Among the actual zones we got Hunter's March, Wisp Thicket, and the Act 3 section of Far Fields are my favorites in terms of visual design, but they're all tiny and fairly irrelevant.
>>722319795wander should also get a diagonal pogo with no bounce
>>722319795I like the wanderer debuff, but not the reaper buff. I’ve said it before and will say it again, all Reaper needs is to do like 10%-15% more damager per nail swing to be balanced (now that they fixed charge attacks).
Am I the only one who tried to slash Broodling after talking to it and was very disappointed you couldn't squash it?
>>722319845No bounce would make it impossible to actually explore and finish the game
>>722307909The flea beer is insanely OP.I used hunter, since its the defaul. It's kinda insane how LL becomes trivial after beating her.
>>722319795Maybe make Wanderer attack speed buff only actiavate in harp mode? (ie when you have enough silk to bind)>>722319845iirc one of the old trailers had Wanderer have a long diagonal pogo with a very shallow angle, around 30° from horizontal, so they at least considered it
It is time.
Is this and HK more soulslike or Metroid-like? They're pretty cheap so I can give them a go. But I dunno if I'll get filtered by the soulslike mechanics.
>>722319686Yes, I agree that combo is completely imbalanced and in serious need of a nerf. I'm arguing that most tool usage isn't strong enough to warrant the same reaction. Even poison cogflies, which are famously one of the strongest options, won't get you through the whole Karmelita opening gauntlet by themselves if you deploy your entire stock of them.
>>722315926>her shadow Clones violently kiss HornetWhat did Phantom mean by this
>>722320415They are metroidvanias that have taken some inspiration from Dark Souls, mostly HK.
>>722319467The whole point of tools is to give you some options for dealing damage when you normally couldn't without using up your silk at the cost of having a finite number per fight. They work fine when used that way, it's when you rely on them as a replacement for normal combat that they turn underpowered. Consumables in Lies of P are the same, not capable of ending a boss fight on their own but useful to give you more of an advantage. Flea brew is just OP when mixed with Wanderer crest (which is already too strong on its own).
>there is the FIRST Sinner>there is the SECOND Sentinel>there is the FOURTH ChorusWhere the hell is the THIRD something
>>722315191>all the optional content pre-act 3 is a complete waste of time best skippedVery cool team cherry
>>722318385>Hurr, durr, the devs put it in the game.The devs also put runbacks in the game, that's because they're retarded incompetent trannies that do not understand how to design video games correctly.If you used tools, you didn't just not beat the game, you never even played the game to begin with.A boss in an action game is a move set that you're supposed to interact with by using your own move set.If you stay a full screen away, ignore what the boss does and spam the "skip encounter" button, you are not, in fact, fighting the boss, or playing the game at all.Using tools in Silksong is LITERALLY identical to using invincibility or unlimited jumps mods, regardless of whether those cheats were put in by the devs themselves or a third-party mod maker.The actual difference is that people using modes have the IQ to understand that they're doing it because the game is badly designed, and the self-awareness not to tell others to "git gud."This is what makes you a subhuman degenerate that should be gassed: you didn't play this game, you have no idea how this game plays, but you still have the audacity to tell those who criticize it to "git gud," something that you yourself never did, you hypocritical fuckface.
>>722319845The point is to make it balanced, not unusable.>>722319892The main issue with Reaper right now is that its "best silk gathering crest" status goes away if you take even one hit after healing. Making it hit a little harder would fix its weak DPS but wouldn't make it good at what it's supposed to specialize in. I guess you could shorten its buff when you take a hit like how Beast works, but that seems too convoluted and you already lose silk on heals if you get hit anyway. With the extra silk being guaranteed, you could supplement its low damage by using skills more.
>>722320415I think I'd describe them as Castlevania but with Metroid-like level design. There's a lot more emphasis on fast-paced melee combat and you never get to that power fantasy point where you're steamrolling everything like Metroid, but at the same time, the level design is very varied and involved, unlike the "repeating hallway" syndrome that the Castlevanias have.The devs said they never played souls before making HK, and pretty much the only aspect it has in common with souls is that you need to pick up your money after dying.I did feel like Silksong felt a bit more souls-like but that's because there's even more of an emphasis on complex combat.I absolutely hate Dark Souls and HK/SS are my favorite games below Super Metroid and La-Mulana, so I can recommend you at least check HK out.
>if you missed fleas or items blocked by enemies in act 1 or act 2 you'll get fucked up by their steroid versions in act 3. That's fucked up. I wasnt expecting act 3 to be so depressing. I thought it would a happy post game.
>>722320707More like all the cool content is in Act 2 and you should do it before moving to Act 3 because you'll miss it and instead of unique interactions, games and challenges, you just get to fill out your checklist.
Cool. I love it when games break the 4th wall.
>>722315461You did nicely beating the game, saar.
>>722320869>reach citadel>oops you just missed content sucker>hope you didn't want to gamble lolvery cool team cherry
>>722321187is reaching act 2 what kills the dice dude? I assumed it was just encountering him once and then coming back later that did that. Best yellow charm anyways, so rip bozo I guess
>>722306821I got the railgun, but it was meh. There's very few situations where enemies are gonna be lined up just right for it to ever be better than just smacking them.
>>722320764Oh yeah, I saw that it has builds and upgrades more similar to Castlevania. La-Mulana also seems interesting. Honestly I haven't clicked with the subgenre much, I stopped playing Ori 1 because... I dunno it was just not pulling me in enough. The way attacks worked in the game felt unengaging and I didn't care for the skill tree upgrade system. I don't even like Dread much either. I only like Super Metroid and Metroid 1's ROMhack Metroid Planets. I wanna try these games, but I'm a bit intimidated by the soulslike elements. Maybe I should try La-Mulana first?
>>722320725Not that anon but you are a screaming toddler and I say this as someone who didn't even use tools much. Tools are designed around learning when to use them so you don't waste the benefit (unless you run Architect). They cannot solo the overwhelmimg majority of bosses, if any at all. Comparing them to invincibility is so transparently stupid that you owe the world a public apology for even having thought it, let alone for saying it. Some of them, like bombs with Groal, are specially designed to reward the player for paying more attention rather than less. The only tools that dish out damage with no consideration for when to use them are tacks and cogflies, the only case where tools by themselves break the game over their knee is the Wanderer+flea brew+flintslate combo, and that one is more Wanderer's fault than it is the tools'. Even flintslate and flea brew can easily end up wasted on most crests if you don't use them at a time when the boss will give you an opening. All the ones I haven't listed require you to actively look for an opening in the boss's moveset in order for them not to just miss and be wasted entirely. And while we're on the subject of gitting gud, you clearly don't want to since you think the game shouldn't have runbacks. What's wrong? Do you not want to engage with mechanics? Where is the line here between how the game should and shouldn't be difficult except in your own retarded head?
>>722321270It's amazing how they turned Carefree Melody from a charm no one liked into a must-use just by making it take up a slot with little to no competition.
>>722310660Reaper trivializes all the platforming, but sucks total ass for combat.
Easy Mode patch when?
>>722311083GMS goes down pretty easy since all her attacks are piss easy to dodge and she doesn't deal any contact damage.
>>722321331I found Ori 1 underwhelming too, it's so railroaded it barely feels like a metroidvania. HK is like the polar opposite of that, you have lots of exploration options and you get unique rewards and abilities mostly from exploration (and a bit of buying them in shops). I thought the Ori sequel was much better, fwiw.Dread also had crappy world design, though I did like it's how it controlled, especially with the speed booster, and the bosses were cool too.La-Mulana is an entirely different beast. It's a puzzle/riddle/troll/adventure game. It's definitely a metroidvania, and one of the most non-linear ones at that, but it doesn't have a lot of emphasis on powering up (rather most items are more like one-off keys) but you'll spend the majority of your time with it staring at cryptic text screenshots and hitting every wall for the 5th time while cackling maniacally. I recommend pairing with a friend and playing it co-op unless you're a sicko that's really into it. No other game quite like it thoughbeit.
>Why yes I do prefer megaman over hollow knight how can you tell?
>beat the whole game with Reaper (would've gone with witch if I unlocked it sooner(>feel bad because I feel like I'm using a crutch with how comfortable the pogo os next to Hunter>finish game and read up online>everyone saying its dog ass and the actual crutch was WandererHeh...guess I'm just that good....
Reminder to not listen to the silken lies of a haunted religion, tools are your Pale King given rights and you should use them Long live Cogflies. Long live Tacks. Long live Sting Shards. Long live Pollip Pouch.
>>722321635Yeah my main problem with Dread was the world design and atmosphere. I also don't like how... Deliberate the sequence breaking felt like in Dread? That's why I think it feels like an imitation of Metroid and not the real thing. Unlike Fusion it doesn't feel focused either, trying to emulate both the more open games and the linear horror one. But the bosses were definitely the main highlight. I also dropped Prime 1. It was a slog and the world design was trash. Can't believe people called in 3D Super it's horrible and the first Metroid game I ever dropped. Haven't played Prime 2 and 3 yet but I haven't heard many good things about them.I don't have friends that share my gaming interests sadly. Which game would you say is more approachable to someone like me? HK or La-Mulana? HK sounds bit like Metroid 1 based on what I've heard about it desu so that could be interesting.
So uhh apparently there's an ant merchant that I just don't have access to anymore?
>>722321803>blue diceI almost want to say that Mega Man doesn't really have (player) mechanics tied to RNG but I guess health drops are random from basic enemies
>>722322484Dead merchants' items get pilfered by Grindle and you can buy them from him at his shop after their deaths.
>>722322418Definitely HK is more approachable. It's massive and well-polished game that encourages you to be curious and observant, but if you've played metroidvanias before you'll pretty much know how to engage with it.La-Mulana is a much more niche type of game, and it distinguishes itself not in the mechanics of how you play it or simple exploration, but in how the entire game is a giant interconnected puzzle you need to scour repeatedly and make connections in order to solve, with essentially no help from the game. I love it to death, and I don't want to discourage you if you're curious about it, but it's hard to recommend to most people.
>>722322484the one with a mask and boomerang or is there another ant merchant?
>>722319795I thought Reaper was gonna be the "caster" crest when I first read the description, lower basic attack damage, but greater silk generation for more silk skill uses. Sucks that the buff is bound to healing, I'd rather have a rebate from enemies damaged/killed by skills, or maybe random orb procs from attacks.
>>722315476>Lissen here, you minging skank
Rain World vs Hollow Knight
Sister splinter is such a badly designed boss. You can really see that they came up with the whack 3 swipe attack and then couldn't figure out how to make it an interesting fight so they just added the vines and adds. Really uninspired.
>>722323502work of art vs generic indie metroidvania
>>722322821Neat!>>722323035Yeah that one but I guess it doesn't matter
>>722323547I liked that fight more than any of the fight arenas against basic enemies.
>>722314513Come to think of it, did someone get to act 3 and not free Grindle?Does he escape on his own?
Why do I keep seeing people saying Lace isn't actually a child? Am I missing something?
>>722324082She's older than every mortal creature in the kingdom, the grouch at First Shrine tells as much.
>>722324082she was created early in pharloom's history, maybe as old as pharloom itself.
>>722324198>>722324305So it's just people coping that they're sexually attracted to an immortal loli, got it.
>reaper crest >poison>flies>tacks>homing silk missiles Yep it's gaming time
>>722324605>Flies and tacksHow are you ODing on blue goo without it equipped?
>>722321449Carefree melody was busted in the original game what are you talking about? The only reason people don't use it is because you have to give up one of the best fights in the entire game to get it.
>>722324342i dont need to cope for that. im just telling you the plot reason for it.
Will they patch reaper crest? I accidentally used all my upgrades on that piece of shit, because I thought it did more damage to mitigate the slow attack speed. Also the pogo is easier.
>>722324771That's understandable. Still, I think the snailpope's comment's mainly meant to add further contrast between Hornet and Lace. They're both ancient but Hornet has had actual parents (single moms lol) whereas Lace is effectively a wild child screaming for her God-mom to hug her for a gorillion years. It's perfectly reasonable to call Lace a child because that's both how she's behaved her entire life and what she honestly is, despite being older than 99.9% of Pharloom.
>>722324001Not in Act 3 but i didn't free him from the prison (didn't see the door was chinked) and i found him in the Slab when i got kidnapped.
>>7223070255 hour game vs 60 hour game.All missable shit is unironically fine in Cave Story because you can just quickly catch up with the content again
>>722320557Green Prince the THIRD WHEEL
>>722309621its funny how this clip already has a degenerate aura before anything even happens
>>722324725With poison the blue goo doesn't stick.
>>722324001Yes he escapes on his own, he doesn't need your help at any point in the game where you can rescue him.
LET'S GOOOOOO I KNEW YOU WERE STILL ALIVE OLD FRIEND
>>722323502>>722323551Blasphemous vs Hollow Knight
>>722325018Personally I am enjoying seeing the people insisting she's a child in the comments under any lewd/romantic Lace art get absolutely clowned on. If Team Cherry really wanted anyone to take that seriously, they wouldn't have given her the proportionately widest hips in the game.
>>722323502Rain World is much more exploration-based. The map is bigger, the hurdles are larger and more numerous, the punishment is more severe and death comes far more easily.It's like painfully climbing a mountain, as opposed to HK's uhh...what's a good comparison? Doing an obstacle course? One of those game shows where you're hopping around a bunch of platforms with moving and spinning parts? The point is one is more methodical and drawn-out while the other is more agile and active.Not that Rain World is bad. Getting to a new shelter is like 10 times the exhilaration of finding a new bench in HK.
>>722307909Based hunga bunga poster. This makes the Hunterfags seethe and shart
>>722326185>they wouldn't have given her the proportionately widest hips in the gamePALGs are the best, yeah.
>Mask Maker never makes a mask for anyoneHe's just... there.
>>722326389Have you hit him with a charged strike yet?
>>722326389MUH LOREEXCEPT MASK LORE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ANYWAYS
>>722315476Why not use Beast Crest? It was literally made for you.
The hitbox on Watcher at the Edge's sword is some bullshit man.
I want to see art of this guy enjoying a nice aussie brew sitting in his backyard and in his yard he sees all these tiny little flashes of light from all the different areas and conflicts of pharloom.
i cheatedi downloaded a mod that lets you add shells by pressing f3i don't even feel badi don't like grinding and the economy is broken enough that you're penalised for being good at the game
>>722326185She's mentally a child. This was spelt out in no uncertain terms. What I enjoy is seeing retarded agecucks have a melty whenever they are reminded of the fact they lust over an effective child.
>>722326943>the economy is broken enough that you're penalised for being good at the gamewrong
>>722327086not just mentally but in body as well>physically a child>mentally a child>yet incredibly old>and with fat fucking hipsshe is quite literally Kanna from Dragon Maid
>>722327104'tis tho. i got bored of not being able to afford most things by the end of act 2 and said fuck it, i don't have time for this shit.
>>722327204Ravioli ravioli vigorously touch the silky loli
>>722327247if you were good you would be swimming in rosaries, actual skill issue
I actually have zero idea how to get to the area with the map in bilewater (or progress in the mist either), it feels like you unironically need double jump to progress but I heard you can get into the citadel early here? I need a way into the citadel for the sword upgrade sidequest for the delivery part and the front door doesn't work obviously. I just got the hookshot
>>722327319not really, man. good game tho 8.5/10.
>>722327351>or progress in the mist eitherThose butterflies look like they like musicNo, I don't know how you were supposed to figure that out.
>>722327351Wait how the fuck did you get clawline without getting into the Citadel?
>>722324342I think she may have been written as 2 people, she's quite articulate and self aware for a child
>>722306821so get the railgun on your next playthrough
>>722327435No I'm in act 2 already I found this area from trying to find the secret entranceI have clawline
>>722327474yeah really i could afford everything no problem
>>722327534damn, you should try getting better at the game.
>>722325018But it does go against the main theme of the game of choosing your own destiny. And if she's stuck as an eternal child , essentially forced to be her mothers vision for her with no input, the main message of the story becomes quite stupid
>>722327583i am better which is why i could afford everything
>>722327507A well-spoken, intelligent child is still a child if she's still crying herself to sleep at night over her mom not looking at her macaroni paintings (made from dead pilgrims) she makes for her daily.
>>722327484he could have reached the underworks through the wisp thicket if he used an enemy for a pogo in greymoor
>>722309542this boss is built to filter you for using wanderer, pogos put you in a sketchy spot. go hunter
>>722327642nah. sounds like a skill issue to me.
>>722327691Not not even in the slightest, sorry.
>>722327721no need to apologise for being at the game.we should stop doing this lel
>>722327790Whatever helps you sleep at night.
>>722327687The fuck are you on about?The boss' only dangerous move is jumping-into-you without warning.How does that affect wanderer but not other crests?
>>722327086It's amazing how things sailed right over your head. Like she completely drops the facade by the end.>B-But the snail shaman!Yeah, I'm sure he's more reliable than just listening to the character herself.
>>722327675No I did it normally I've done like zero sequence breaks I'm just stuck doing main quest because I keep dying so I want to deliver the rasher for the sword upgrade
>>722327584There's no way you should expect Lace to have grown by any measure even at the end of act 3. If anything, Silksong's narrative is more of a "coming of motherhood" story more than anything else. Silk obviously failed as a mother despite trying her hardest given the shittiest conditions she found herself in and her eternal child is finally given the chance to grow by being (forcibly, at threat of plunging Pharloom into the Void) taken under Hornet's wing. Hornet acknowledges her past and the lessons she learned from her mothers and is now given the opportunity to do the same for her mirror opposite.
>>722327668>if she's still crying herself to sleep at night over her mom not looking at her macaroni paintingsThere are plenty of actual adults with mommy issues.
>>722327932Which is why daddy/daughter play is so common.
>>722327835something something your mom keeps my bed warm
Getting my arse reamed by Tormented Trobbio (no homo)
>>722327926I didn't mean grow, moreso reject the idea instilled , of her purpose. Phantom for example rejects this ideea. Imagine if the Knight was actually hollow. Lace being stuck as an eternal child , specifically as silk intended, would heavily undermine the "choose your own destiny" message of the game , and make her a worse foil for the Vessels and Hornet.
>>722319686>>722320432>wanderer+flintslate+flea brew>Yes, I agree that combo is completely imbalanced wat? of course it is imbalanced since it isn't even fucking possible. wanderer has one red slotis this the state of /v/irgins claiming something is broken? not even checking if it possible?
>>722328414Understandable, it's hard to watch 4 things simultaneously.
>casually murders the gay prince for no reasonBased.
>>722328782so long green gay bowser
>>722315358>just cheatwhat's the point of playing games if you refuse to accept their simple set of rules? ok, just cheat the crest then what's next? more hp? more damage? savestate? I understand you're problaly a fun fag, but plesase keep your opinions to yourself.
>>722314968She stops parrying in the last stage.
>>722314968Flea brew for swing speed.And you're hesitating on your swings.
>3rd game mode called God's and Glory in the game files....anons?
>>722306821If you're on PC, you can just edit your save.
>>722311536Why did they make thread storm like this.
>>722327852I guess since wanderer has a stubby rangeHowever I had little problems since wanderer pumps out damage and generates so much silk that healing is always an option.
>>722327675Found how to get into sinners rd early, where is the skip for wisp thicket?>>722328882Cheating to get stuff before you're supposed to is lame, it just takes all the challenge out. Only time I can remember cheating in a game was in the original hk where I edited my save to give myself unbreakable greed/strength (bought heart normally). I only did that because I was a retard and I didn't know that banishing the troupe got rid of Divine too, I had even saved up most of the way to buy unbreakable strength normally.
Plapping the architect while she continues to work oblivious
>>722311017It would be ridiculously broken if it wasn't
>>722329868Sorry wrong image
>>722330192man, her end really hit me
>Lace is now dependent on Hornet for Silkwhere are our true Pharloom patriots to defend our children from that imigrant groomer
>>722318101DS1 is only broken when you introduce another retard with 3rd world wifi, DS2 is broken by default.
>>722306893I you used a controller YDNBTG faggot. Only mind input is viable, if you´re retarded (not of asian or european ancestry), voice controls are acceptable aswell.
What the fuck was their problem?
>>722330646They weren't as super-special as their mommy told them and then they found out they were adopted and had a bitchfit.
>>722330608wasnt there an anon playing on fucking numpad cause he lost fingers in a work accident? fucking based and the only person who truly beat the game.
>>722308538most fun crestLiterally the lamest. All others have at least something unique to them.
>>722307909Can someone explain what this video shows please? I don't want to watch it and spoil the fight.
>>722306821Yeah. Oh well. You can still get your 100% number.
>HK had all sorts of synergies that changed charm effects in unlisted waysThat's something Silksong is missing. It really could use tool combos, from simple ones like Shard Pendant + Magnet Brooch magnetising shards as well, to more complex ones to encourage experimenting.And the harp that increases Needolin range is so unworthy of taking a slot on its own that it's practically begging to be synergy fodder with something.
>>722331493It's another Wanderer clip where the player doesn't bother dodging enemy hits, facetanks and outsustains everything with Wanderer's silk regen and Druid's tears.
Lace - Phantom swap
>>722331582God the harp is so fucking useless, it's only fitting that it looks like a trollface.
>>722331823they should've given us an option to save her bros
>>722331778Huh alright thanks.
Just got through Bilewater. People were hyping THAT up as the next Blighttown and hardest area in Silksong? I had more trouble in the area right above it. Sure, I get the runback being long, but the boss seemed pretty easy in all regards. And the platforming was way easier than the platforming in mount fay.
>>722325973>ran into this act 3>thought bell beast turned into it and I lost my buddy>This happensfucking KINO
>>722311083>>722311219>>722321560GMS while cursed was utter hell for me. Fight was absolute bullshit, badly designed, and one of the few instances where I was just straight up not having fun and just wishing it was over.It's the worst kinda of difficulty. Easy attacks that can be dodged while asleep, but hard because it throws 3 of them at you simultaneously and they overlap in a way that makes it ridiculous to dodge everything. Like you'll move sideways to avoid something, and suddenly the needles scroll off the side of the screen and you can't see where the gap is, or the screenwide silk trap only has a gap on the floor where the groundspikes are, or you dodge something and it puts you right in the path of something else. The two anons calling her easy and fair are fucking with you, anon-who's-about-to-fight-her.
>>722332379Cursed GMS ain't that hard dude.
>>722306821IQ issue. Playing blind, I kept the broken tool until I found all three places to upgrade it and felt pretty confident that the Weaver version would be the true/best one, so I went with that.
>>722332379GMS likes to hit you with offscreen attacks but only if you move around too much, try not running back and forth across the arena.
>>722306979>poisonLittle baby needs his training wheels? You want a bahbah of milk and someone to change your diaper while you are at it?
I truly wonder what TC thinks of lacenet trending
>>722332379Did you know you can hit the ground spikes to make them go down?
>>722306979Why not just use the threefold pin then? It does the same thing and doesn't cost silk to use.
>>722332835>tosses out 4 poison cog fliessorry what did you say? I cant hear you over me skillfully defeating this boss>tosses poison tacks yup, gaming time.
>>722306821just edit your savegame like the rest of us, it's really not that hard
Can Plasmified Zango even be killed?
>>722333207Just use the super-sucker on him a few times
>>722333207Just use tacks and buzzsaws. Plasmified enemies don't actually have that much health they just regenerate it super fast.
FINALLY IT'S OVER
>>722332491I kneel
>>722332984Heard it was a thing, but tried it and it didn't work. I stood to the side and hit them, but I didn't have the space of mind to pogo while all of the other stuff was happening.
>>722332007The runback into gauntlet/boss combo poisons the entire area for people. I don't think Bilewater is that hard in any regards, there's no really annoying enemies, the platforming isn't particularly hard either. Bilewater does have a ton of good stuff going for it. I just think that if the bench was a little closer to the arena, you would have much more people claiming Bilewater was their favorite area, the biggest and one of the few complaints I ever see is about Bilewater the runback, nothing else about the area. If you want an actually annoying area to traverse, then look at the Putrified Ducts, those Acid Burst flies and the half life barnacles are easily in the top 5 most annoying enemies in the game.
>>722333461You can do it from the side, it takes like three hits regardless of where you hit them from
>>722330732this, GMS did nothing wrong
>>722333440Well done, now on to the next task...
>>722325973ppl can shit on ACT 3 however they want, but I love checking on npc(s) to see how well they fair against the void or just fucking ded , that alone is pretty cool
>>722333440Nigger playing on a mobile device while at home.
>>722311536yeah but shaman's bind is even worse than witch's
>>722333615these games were insane and then it got even worse
>>722330276same, it hit more than any other death
>>722333715Even garmond?
I'm still in act 2, and the idea that the void and snail shamans are even in the game is still crazy to me. Don't know how it happens yet or what happens exactly, but so far there's been zero indication that thy even exist in Pharloom. I think the Songclave Caretaker is going to turn out to be a snail, though.
>saw someone say it's possible to get Courier Pill killed if you just don't do his quest (and I presume progress to act 3)Is this true? Does this also mean you can't get the Courier's Rasher?
>>722333771There's a chained up and drained snail shaman in Groal's hut, the caretaker has something to say about that.
>>722333207I used beast crest and wailed on him
>>722314968her parry is one of her most punishable attacks if you can see it coming
I wanted to play dice with him one more time but...
>>722333771Dude there was a character revealed in I think the very first trailer that everyone was like "that's a snail!" and they were right.
>>722306821How much harder is this game than Hollow Knight, I've seen people bitch that this game is harder than all of the souls games and soulslikes and that it's one of the hardest games they've ever played.
>>722316869probably dlc over the next year or two I guess
>>722333910>the dice are carved from the innards of those platforms that break apart and reformAdd that to the "obvious shit I somehow never noticed until someone else pointed it out" pile.
>>722333949I'd say the starting difficulty is City of Tears and it only goes up from there
>>722333639I dont live with my mom nigga. I'm visiting. I have an apartment like an adult>>722333615I dont think i wanna do this I've seen what Seth has done to people
u got (flea) games on ur phone?
>>722333763haven't got to him yet
>>722319425depends on the boss, venom cogflies can take a lot of health off of the lower HP bosses and you don't even have to engage to do it
>>722326659You lose the buff if you get hit + less heals, less tool slots so you can't get fast heals or big heals, less silk gen as well Beast crest is hard mode. Wanderer is easy mode.
>>722326659>implying beast ever gets to be this unga
>>722333949It should be just right if you beat hollow knight before, most people complaining about difficulty are shitters who ignore entire game mechanics.
>>722333949It very quickly expects you to perform at a much higher level than Hollow Knight at the same point in the game and just keeps adding more challengers, but I feel like Silksong has done a much better job of teaching me how to play consistently well
>>722333910You can get the dice if you beat him at the game (his corpse is also not there so he may have survived).
>>722320415combat is significantly better than most metroid games but they're both still heavily exploration based. It encourages much more aggressive play than soulslike dodge/parryslop so it has that going for it
>>722325973This thing had bigger blades, so I was worried when the fighting was taken offscreen. but then we were rewarded with the pogo-munchkins and a spell that makes traversal much more convenient, awesome.
>>722322418la-mulana is extremely unapproachable; still a great game but you need to be willing to engage with something really esoteric
I don't like the Conchflies tummy drills impaling and raping my horny's sleek and toned body. What did she do to deserve this
>>722334404Traffic cone shaped enemy going STRAIGHT up there
>>722333650Shaman's bind takes longer than every other bind, but otherwise it's not dogshit like Witch's or Beast's. Reaper > Hunter = Wanderer = Architect > Shaman > Beast > Witch
>>722334678witch is so fast (especially with the tool for it) that it largely offsets the damage requirements if you understand positioning decently; it's twice as fast as all the others by default
>>722334678>Lowest DPS crest with slow pogo and awkward swing angles at the very topWhat are you smoking, and can I have some?
>>722333949It's harder than HK, but not to the extent that some people want you to believe. The general exploration is around the same level of difficulty in my opinion. HK's platforming is incredibly easy and doesn't expect much of you, while the same cant be said for Silksong, despite it's platforming not being particularly hard either. The bosses in Silksong are definitely harder for the most part, but I still think the HK DLC bosses beat most if not all of the Silksong bosses in terms of difficulty. HK also feels easier since it's way easy to get upgrades in that game, and due to the lack of double damage outside of a select few rare enemies and endgame bosses, you can quickly stack up on heath and nail upgrades before you've even encountered half of the game and just facetank pretty much everything.
Hmm, they knew their civilization was collapsing
>>722306821Sure but all tools that aren't outright cheese like poison cogfly pale in comparison to the mighty nose drill
>>722325973I fucking loved this moment
does anyone have the image of The Last Judge wearing a basketball jersey?
Favourite Tracks: BilewaterPhantomMoss GrottoChoral ChambersWhispering VaultsMount FayHunters MarchThe MarrowDeep DocksWidow Lace (all)Fourth ChorusBellhartUnderworksPogwork Core Cogwork DancersVerdania
>>722334678>dogshit like Witch's>does 200 damage a heal
>>722306821Am I the only person who thinks the Hunter's crest is one of the best crests in the game?
>>722334774muh low dps is such a meme reaper gives you so much more maneuverability with pogo it isn't even funny
The next Hollow Knight game will star:a) The Knightb) Lacec) Hollow Knightd) Hornet e) All of the abovef) Pope Sherma
>>722325973>get to act 3>book it to bilewater to get to one of the nearest stations and figure I'll probably dodge any weird corrupted shit by taking the neglected route >bell beast is replaced by a monster>can't enter the fight because that specific station is buggeddamn
>>722334907it's pretty middle of the pack, especially since you have to put up with the jank pogo. Plus the requirements to take no damage to keep the buff going means wanderer is generally going to outpace it damage wise
>>722334908So much maneuvrability pogo than what? It's just a slightly wider Wanderer pogo. The Shaman one mogs it extremely hard.Also, putting "muh" in front of an argument doesn't invalidate it. High DPS is a very strong boon, since it not only lets you kill shit faster, but also lets you gain more silk, which is the resource you use for both offense and defense. Landing more hits is just better.
>>722334835Yeah they knew it was over
>>722334987>I'll show you the power of faith. First thing for you to do is KNEEL
>>722335132gameplay doesn't happen in a vacuum and it's completely reasonable to prefer the convenience of reaper's kit over higher dps
>>722335079Its sprint attack more than redeems its pogo.
>>722334835Yes, nations that are defeated by another are usually aware of that fact. I don't know why the game presents things like this as insights of any interest. Same issue I have with 98% of the Needolin dialogue: why does an Underworks worker need to say "in toil... to eternal... to the light above" when all that information is presented by the excellent visual design. Shit feels redundant.
>>722335140>Remember our strengthIf they all fought like Watcher at the Edge then they would be worth remembering but the entirety of Coral Tower were jobbers, including their king.
>>722334872>whispering vaults is on the list but not high halls
>>722334907It's one of the easiest crests to use. Has a good amount of red, yellow, and blue tool slots, a good charge attack, a good dash/sprint attack, decently fast swing speed, and it gets two different buffs that increase it's damage. The only reason people think it's bad is because of it's pogo being "hard to get used to", and that the buffs require you to land multiple hits in a row without taking damage. I like the range it has over the Wanderer's crest, so I find myself using it for bosses while I use the Wanderers crest for thing like exploration and farming. I think the Shaman crest is my favorite though, but you get it at the end of the game so there's barely anything to use it on.
>>722334835The reef has fallen.
>>722335529IMO the sound is overengineered, it's too sweet.
>>722328782>Trobbio>Cogwork Dancers>Tormented Trobbio>Clover DancersThat's FOUR (4) hate crimes Hornet commits canonically (would be more but Hornet does not canonically get kidnapped by flies)
>>722335328I think it's about reinforcements. Yes you can parse out from environmental information that the workers were slaves but it's another thing listening to the slaves themselves and how they were bound in both mind and body. They honestly believed their labor was going to pay off one day even though that would never ever happen. The one thing that's strange is where's the line between the person and The Haunting? We know most of these people were possessed by GMS's silk to attack anyone who wasn't. But even though they're possessed, they still have their own thoughts. Do the victims of The Haunting know they're Haunted? There are a few NPCs in The Citadel that express doubt but they're still compelled to attack. It's not like The Infection where you're connected to The Radiance's hivemind or The Void where you don't think at all.
>>722333949For the boss' difficulty, they're only around dream bosses but nothing's overly bullshit like AbRad , however silksong has a wider variety of challenges(such as platforming, gaultlet, etc) and fromdrones will never stop being butthurt about anything not a 1 on 1 inside an empty arena with a checkpoint right before it. yeah, the usual.
>>722335542I like the beast crest a lot but will probably switch to hunter at some point. The lack of blue tool slots really hurts
>>722333949There's nothing in Silksong as hard as some of the Godtamer DLC stuff yet, but the difficulty is pretty immense. More enemies deal double damage than single damage. It's that kind of bullshit.
>>722335947Double damage is TC's way of saying "dude don't get hit all the time lmao"
What was the reasoning behind moving Verdania to the easr of the map when everything about its enviroment tells you it should be next to Moss Grotto?
>>722333949the early game is a pressure cooker that forces you to learn to play well, besides that it's hard but nothing ridiculous imo
>>722336053I feel like at some point TC wanted to make the world wrap itself around like a Pac-Man maze but didn't get around to it.
>>722334232If you win the dice from him his corpse is near the Last Judge arena, implying he was one of the pilgrims murdered by her.
>>722336053Maybe to show what greymoor was like before the citadel? There is a line in there somewhere about how residents of greymoor used to be farmers before the citadel put them to work catching the dregs.
>>722336053To show you how much of the environment has been fucked due to shit water and silk dregs from Bilewater raining down, creating Greymoor.
>>722332925Same thing they thought when streamers went GYATTT over Lace.
>>722336053My theory is that Moss Grotto was a colonization event that happened because of the Verdania leak. Memorium was supposed to contain all of the endangered biomes of Pharloom, but Verdania is stated to have been lost and the first floor is filled with Moss monsters while the top floor states that the "Marrowlands" is in critical condition (maybe due to the spread of the Moss)
>>722333949Silksong is generally harder than Hollow Knight, but not by magnitudes of difficulty. However, I think the hardest challenges in Silksong are easier than the hardest challenges in Hollow Knight. The hardest SIlksong bosses are easier than the Hardest Hollow Knight bosses. And nothing in Silksong comes close to the pantheon of hollownest, anybody who says the high halls gauntlet is harder is coping. Silksong also generally has more demanding platforming, but even something like the cradle ascent is way easier than the path of pain. But all of that shit is DLC, so I guess we'll see how Silksong's DLC increases the difficulty.
>>722336207>>722336234That does make sense, although I guess it should be noted Greymoor was planned to be like that from the get-go during development unlike zones such as Blasted Steps and Sands of Karak.
>>722336234What the fuck is silk that it kills plantlife and causes bilewater?
>>722336346>I think the hardest challenges in Silksong are easier than the hardest challenges in Hollow KnightI remember struggling in HK a lot more than in Silksong.
>>722336385grand mother silk braps
>>722336385Bilewater is also the waste water from the Citadel, but the silk specifically is infused with soul, so even the dregs can fuck around with everything.
>>722336346Silksong is an order of magnitude more difficult than Hollow Knight. Nightmare King Grimm is an optional challenge bossfight and still easier than Karmelita, a required Act 3 boss. If Silksong had the God Tuner it would be significantly harder than anything Hollow Knight could throw at you. Absolute Radiance would be child's play compared to Absolutely Lost Lace.
>>722336385I think it's just the byproducts of burning smokerock, the silk ends up in the exhaust too but it's not the reason everything is dead.
>>722332379You're bad.
>>722323502I wish the DLC never happened for Rain world it single handedly killed all discussion of that game here online
>>722336516No one act 3 boss is required because there are 4 and you only need to do 3 so you can substitute the one you can't do with the extra one you can.
Was there anything in Silksong that his as hard this?
>>722313704choral tower at the sands of karak
>>722336696Garmond dying
>>722335132Reaper can pogo off objects that are slightly ABOVE you.
>>722336772Coral = the animalChoral = of a choir
>>722315708i left bilewater until the very end of act 2 lmao
>>722314948Yes.
>>722336997my bad anon, i'm a retard please understand
>>722336696I remember being very sad for Loam
>>722337087This is /v/, we're all retards here.
>>722336696No but they were never going to so I'm glad they didn't try to force it.Like they did the "lake water raining down through the cracks in the ceiling" but, but whereas for City of Tears it was to add kino ambience from the pure lake water, with Greymoor it was to emphasize the desecration of the area once you realize it's the shitty maggot water from Sinner's Road/Bilewater.
>>722327675There's a hardcoded invisible wall that checks for double jump there.
>>722337106Poor dude, he really believed his hard work would be rewarded not realizing everyone up top is already a zombie.I wonder how long he's been at it by the time you find him.
>>722336696[spoilers]GaramondLoam12th sentinel PinkyGrand mother silk but only because I’m a coomer
If I've learned anything about myself playing this game it's that I'm much better at 'hard' games than I thought in terms of gameplay but much, much, MUCH, worse at understanding games where you have to piece together the lore and bigger picture.I had absolutely no idea what was happening in this game. Like I knew I had to reach the top of the citadel, to stop whatever was causing these pilgrims and inhabitants to go insane, but beyond that I couldn't tell you a thing. I suspect I may in fact be mentally retarded or something or that my brain has made an unconscious decision to not even bother trying to understand it all.
>>722337313>Pinkyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sixMwga7gU
>>722337384Did you skip all the dialogue?
>>722308057It's because you didn't hack the game to make a webm
>>722329752>>722327675Wisp thicket act 1 requires you to get captured to the Slab, then use cocoon jumps to get double jump without clawline. Obviously not possible on a steel soul run.
>>722337150So did the Pale King not make the bugs of Hollownest intelligent? It seemed like that was the case before but now we know intelligent bugs exist outside of Hollownest. So, did the Radiance just make bugs retarded and the Pale King killed her influence?
>>722308057Lace doesn't parry in that phase.
>>722336906>dyingHe's just taking a little nap.
>>722336696I'm glad it's not all gloom and doom, Seth was a pleasant surprise
>>722317762climb all the way up to the bird and slow fall off the right edge while going to the left and you'll land on a ledge with a bench right above the pinstress
>>722327897You can attack the scales in the great hall from below to shift their balance. From there it's pretty simple to get up to that section of wall you should have already punched out from the other side.The Sinner's Road route is also fine. Another anon already told you what to do with the Lumaflies.I'd advise getting double jump first though. You can get it now that you have clawline. It's someplace very cold. It may seem like you need an item, but you just need to be fast.
>>722337638>Quirrel gets amnesia>recovers and fulfills his solemn duty>dies>Seth fails his solemn duty>gets amnesia>lives happily playing games with fleabrosThe moral of the story is fuck responsibility.
>>722337384When I got the first ending, I assumed that the Weavers just fucked off or the people of the Citadel killed them. And that the were using their Silk to try and get eternal life based on the entry for the Citadel enemies. But that something went wrong and they got The Haunting instead. It was only after getting the first ending that I found The First Sinner. And the Sands of Karak. And how Grandmother Silk was a relatively recent invader of Pharloom and she uplifted those small annoying spiders that hide in rocks to swipe at you into the Weavers. And they thought they were children of the divine until The First Sinner learned the truth. And they made the Weavenests to conspire in secret to break their connection to Grandmother Silk. And it was their idea to create the church's songs as a way to put her to sleep in hopes she would never wake again.
>>722337471Nah honestly I read it all, like at no point was I spamming A to skip past dialogue.But I really think I've gone into the game with a mindset of "this is a game with drip-fed, mysterious lore that has to be speculated upon and pieced together ad hoc by the player" and made a mental decision that I wasn't even going to try to do that because I am too retarded and lazy.There was a lore tablet at the top of one room in Greymoor that was atop a pogo challenge. I remember getting to the top after ages trying it with diagonal pogo and then reading the sign and it was like a work order from the Citadel, for workers of Greymoor I assume, stuff like "on the eighth day bring ten reels of whatever" and that sort of old timey ambiguous language. And I was thinking right cool that sort of flavour text is gonna mean something to these youtube loremasters but to me it's just... nothing.
>>722337608All bugs are naturally retarded unless it's a bug god.Radiance only allowed a few bugs to gain sentience. I think things like the Mantis Tribe have their own will, but they probably migrated from somewhere else after they gained sentience, much like the weavers.Pale King basically came into her territory and said "lol", thus giving everything around him sentience. The Moths then abandoned Radiance (probably because PK is a better deal) and that's why she sperged out.I think.
>>722337638>>722337790Reminder
>>722337608There are naturally smart bugs (mantises, moths, etc.) but pale beings can also just uplift feral bugs into sapience.Grandma did it with the Weavers and I assume because part of her power literally resides inside of them (the silk) they're not leashed to her location like Hallownest bugs who turn feral again if they get too far away from Pale Daddy.
You think they'll get along?
>>722321635>Maybe I should try La-Mulana first?If you're intimidated only by the soulslike parts id say this is an okay idea, but la-mulana is a lot more puzzle based/harder in that respect than any other metroidvania ive ever played
>>722337182>with Greymoor it was to emphasize the desecration of the area once you realize it's the shitty maggot water from Sinner's Road/Bilewater.But then Hunter's March if perfectly fine and lush right under Greymoor
>>722337608It's seems like The Pale King's intelligence was more like independence. The bugs of Hollownest worship the Pale King but they're still free to do their own thing. Like the Mantises weren't a part of the Pale King's Court. The bugs of Pharloom are slaves. Full stop. They exist to work until they die in the name of Grandmother Silk and they have just enough intelligence to do that. The only independent thinkers were The Weavers. They were the ones who put their goddess to sleep and then imparted rule to The Citadel.
>>722337384Hollow Knight required you to do a second playthrough to understand the whole story too. Here's a QRD:>There are these things called "Pale Beings" which are basically Greek God-tier deities in the bug world>One Pale Being, Grandmother Silk, comes to a functioning, albeit nascent, kingdom known as Pharloom>GMS starts spreading her silk around everywhere granting bugs extra power and extended lifespans>Pharloom bugs get high off of her supply and she starts mindcontrolling them subtly >Kingdom starts rapidly advancing technologically and has a strong government made up of the Architects, Conductors, and Vaultkeepers>Pollution caused by the Citadel/GMS ruins Bilewater/Sinners Road, Sands of Karak, and the Coral Tower>Weavers (spider descendants of Grandmother Silk) have enough of GMS and stage a rebellion led by First Sinner, the snails, and the bugs of Bilewater>Rebellion succeeds, but First Sinner is locked in gay baby jail forever and The Widow gets her mask broken and her silk sealed>Grandmother Silk is sealed and the kingdom starts falling apart because her immortality silk isn't being produced anymore, so places like Greymoor start harvesting silk to reuse it>Widow goes schizo because of having her mask destroyed and undoes the seal on GMS, causing GMS to start "The Haunting">High ranking bugs start going to other kingdoms to kidnap Weaver spawn that fled during the Rebellion which is how Hornet gets kidnapped>Lace frees Hornet in the Blasted Steps before she can get her silk harvested
>>722337861That makes a lot of sense dude cheers. I got none of that playing through the game. I mean none.I recall seeing the cutscene of a Pharlid being turned into a Weaver but I couldn't have made sense of that.
>>722337978>"Play nice with your brother or Mama Hornet won't give you silkies."
>>722320778hopefully thats the act 4 dlc
>>722332379you can hit the ground spikes to make them retract
>>722338073Yeah because Greymoor is catching all of it.
>>722337861Granny Silk's Hot Butter Silk Cream was used to seal her up in the Cradle, but she kept trying to break out so they created the Chorus to sing her to sleep. The Chorus had to be continuously sung which is why Whiteward was created. A lore tablet in Whiteward states that the Chorus must never end so they start infusing buggers with silk in horrific experiments to keep the Chorus going forever. In the Weavenest in Far Fields, they have a map of how to escape Pharloom. Presumably that's how Herrah ended up in Hallownest. Hornet, and by extension Herrah, are ancient so Granny Silk had to have come to Pharloom before Pale Wyrm went to Hallownest
>>722338129Nice cheers, that helps me a lot honestly. Some questions following on from your points:If the weavers succeed in their rebellion against GMS, why does First Sinner remain locked away? Can't they just unlock her once GMS is sealed up?When you say Greymoor harvest silk, do you mean they harvest it from other bugs or from sealed GMS?When 'haunted' Citadel bugs are sent to other kingdoms to retrieve fled Weavers, is this because GMS needs them for some purpose or just that she wants revenge on them?
>>722338129>Tree mommy was so guilty over all the void babies that died to create the vessel that she tied herself up to deny her unending URGE TO BREEDIs this what strong female characters actually look like?
>>7223381511. Lace is Hornet's Aunt2. Sherma is a pope, not a child3. Hornet is the one with brothers with whom she has hot incestuous bug sex with because her only other option is Lesbianism, and she's our /pol/ princess who hates gays and minorities
>>722337638>thought Gliddly was going to die>the moment where she could have died doesn’t happen with lore reasons of wanting to use her as a means to get hornetTruly epic
>>722337932>There was a lore tablet at the top of one room in Greymoor that was atop a pogo challenge. I remember getting to the top after ages trying it with diagonal pogo and then reading the sign and it was like a work order from the Citadel, for workers of Greymoor I assume, stuff like "on the eighth day bring ten reels of whatever" and that sort of old timey ambiguous language.It's okay, I didn't get it at first either. Really I only put the pieces together a few days ago when reviewing what I had. Remember the bugs of Pharloom are slaves. They exist to work for Pharloom until they die. And the Silk is the most precious commodity in the kingdom. So the Silk that falls from the Citadel is caught by Catchers, spooled by Rakers, and cut by the Snippers to be sent back to the Citadel. And anyone who attempts to flee their servitude is hunted and killed by the Moorwing
What is causing the rain in Greymoor ?? I need accurate climate in my game otherwise I fly into a huge rage.
>>722338753a massive deposit of doodoo feces above
>>722338129>>Widow goes schizo because of having her mask destroyedWasn't she tortured into compliance in the slab?Also you forget the super sercret lore that much as the citadel was shitting on everything beneath them, the nameless town was shitting on GMS's throne, so they got killed.
>>722338753Look at the areas above it on the map.
>>722338546>If the weavers succeed in their rebellion against GMS, why does First Sinner remain locked away? Can't they just unlock her once GMS is sealed up?The Rebellion succeeded in locking up Granny, but Granny still had religious followers. Everyone in the Slab was a penitent. The flies and the prisoners. They are religious zealots who follow Granny Silk out of loyalty and not because they're mind controlled.>When you say Greymoor harvest silk, do you mean they harvest it from other bugs or from sealed GMS?Greymoor isn't getting rained on. All that stuff falling down is actually silk dregs. That's why the bugs have those weird staves they swing in the air. They're harvesting silk to spool up and send back to The Citadel.>When 'haunted' Citadel bugs are sent to other kingdoms to retrieve fled Weavers, is this because GMS needs them for some purpose or just that she wants revenge on them?They're harvesting these other weavers for silk since Granny Silk isn't producing silk anymore since she's locked up in The Cradle. The kingdom effectively functions on Silk, and there are two Silk sisters who need it to survive. They're running out of Silk so they go and kidnap other kingdoms' weavers to harvest their silk to replenish their supplies.
>>722332007>And the platforming was way easier than the platforming in mount fay.ah you see, you understood to not go there before having movement options, unlike the retards who bumrushed there and then beat their heads against the wall screaming and crying
>>722338753Heat from The Cauldron heats the air in and around The Mist / Wisp Thicket which later cools and condenses as rain. or something
>>722338753It's not rain, it's silk dregs.
Why is flea juggle so hard compared to the other flea games.
>>722338546>If the weavers succeed in their rebellion against GMS, why does First Sinner remain locked away? Can't they just unlock her once GMS is sealed up?My thought is that The First Sinner was just the first to realize what Grandmother Silk was doing. But how do you present to everyone that their god, who gave them all the power they have, was lying to them and probably going to turn them into slaves too. ANYONE would should insane under those circumstances. It was only later that The Weavers realized "oh shit, she was right." But GMS watches everything so the Weavenests had to be constructed so The Weavers could conspire outside of GMS's notice. And there was just no time to go back to rescue The First Sinner
>>722333949i played hollow knight right before playing silksong and it just felt like a direct extension of that difficulty level, it definitely expects you to have played the first game
>>722339014Then why does it not coat the ground ? Where does it fall from ? Why does it fall with perfect verticality, as if a liquid ? Who makes it ? Why do the dregcatching workers seem to looking up, idling, as if waiting for something ?
>>722339043It's the one where you have to proactively maneuver the fleas rather than just react, and also the one where crest choice is the most likely to fuck you
Daily reminder that the Weavers were the true villains of Pharloom. They fucked everything up then fucked off.
>>722339014>It's not rain, it's silk dregs.It's both. It's the same as City of Tears having rain which is the pure lake water from the lake above it seeping through cracks in the ceiling. Greymoor has rain which is the shitty runoff water from Bilewater and Sinner's Road.
>>722325414The art style gives it away. It screams "artist has never had to significantly improve because the people he caters to have no standards."
>>722339181Their journal descriptions (the workers) says it all:>Bug charged to catch dregs of Silk that fall from the Citadel. Will attack with its staff if provoked.>Scissor-wielding bug charged to cut and spool fallen dregs of Silk for return to the Citadel above.>Tall bug charged to pile Silk dregs in preparation for respooling. Their sharp rake now doubles equally well as a stabbing weapon.Their tools are for catching/preparing the silk to return it to the Citadel. I'm assuming it doesn't coat the ground because it ends up falling into the water and flowing out into the lower levels of Pharloom if it's not collected in the air. That's how the Haunting reaches down into the Marrow, Deep Docks, and Far Fields. What is caught is sent back to the Citadel.
>>722333440wait are you unironically black? LMAO
>>722339465I want to believe, but I assumed those descriptions referred to their initial job before everything fell to disrepair. When silk was still being produced. In Pharloom, as Hornet sees it, where would this silk be falling from in such quantity. Who produces it in such quantity that it flies out the windows and down to Greymoor ?
>>722338858Remember that Weavers were the top lieutenants for GMS. Even if they eventually usurped their God-Queen (or maybe just froze her to be able to build enough fallback options to leave), there's bound to be some Weavers that are still broken/loyal enough to keep serving.And there's indications that Widow was wholly dependent on GMS an as agent.
>>722339081First Sinner might've started the boogaloo, gotten sent to gay baby jail forever, and then never rescued because she was a huge cunt even if she was correct about Granny Silk being evil.In return, Granny Silk creates Lace and Phantom because they'll always be "loyal" (or so she thought) and "pure" unlike the Weavers. The Weavenests required the Needolin to enter so that Lace and Phantom couldn't break in and catch them conspiring to either leave or seal Granny.But it turns out Lace and Phantom weren't too happy being artificial lifeforms, so Lace frees Hornet when Hornet is being brought into Pharloom, intentionally continuing the rebellion.
>>722339702The workers of pharloom keep doing their jobs even after getting mind controlled by the haunting, admittedly a lot less skillfully, but they still do their jobs.
>>722339294Wrong. Weavers are on the whole entirely blameless. If they have any sin, it's that they embodied their "mother" in her domineering, deranged ways. But then they also received a mega dose of God essence,Making them creations of their God's image. Also, lied to, imprisoned if they learn the truth, objects for silk manipulation etc.Weavers were scared shitless of GMS. And already party to a dominating pyramid scheme.
>>722339702I'm assuming it's used in the Underworks, especially by the 12th Architect, with the exhaust from the smokerock fucking up Bilewater and Sinner's Road. Basically, 12th Architect is kept "alive" by silk just like Lace and Phantom (who also lives right above Sinner's Road).And as the other anon said, the workers are haunted. According to Hornet:>These bugs look to have spent every waking moment at their work. Grim, endless labour in service of the unseen Citadel>Is it the Haunting that drove them to cackling madness, or was their unending toil the cause even before that?>Theirs seems a sad, grueling task, serving their lifetime for a Citadel unseen.
>>722339702The surgeons of Pharloom. Anyone who died in their surgeries was cremated and the Silk dregs recovered
So it seems like the Wisp Thicket cult is definitively NOT the nightmare flame. Pity.
>>722340038It's crazy how they even treat things like getting sick as a crime, truly dystopian.
>>722340174Father of the Flame has to have some connection. Maybe they were trying to summon the Nightmare Heart to help rid them of Grandmother Silk? If any Pale Being could do it, Grimm would be the one.
>>722340432The nightmare heart isn't a pale being, it's a higher being but not a pale one.
>>722340432I feel like any of them could have done it. grand mother silk is a weak bitch
>>722340558Thanks to the weavers and their magic roofie.
>>722340174>>722340432It felt more like a version of wicker man cult sacrifice to me. Like they had their own little corner to themselves where they caught and burned any schmuck unlucky enough to fall into the thicket from the underworks, thinking it would keep away the forces of the Citadel out of fear (when in reality it's more like the Underworks workers were so irrelevant the choirs didn't care).
>>722340558Granda has basically infinity DEF which she intentionally gives up to fight Hornet for reasons.
>>722340558GMS was one of the more powerful Higher Beings. IMO, only Void, Pale King, and Radiance were stronger.
>>722340889She doesn't. She was trapped in that silk sphere until Hornet ends the Chorus, waking Granny up and then provoking her, causing her to break out.
>>722340889I mean, Hornet did call her a Weaver with a hard R
>>722315926What's the deal with Phantom anyways?
>>722340968So that puts, who, Unn and the White Lady beneath her?
>>722341252Granny Silk's first artificial daughter (and least favorite daughter).
>>722341252She's the older silk daughter who wasn't made as good, so was charged to play the piano I guess. Hornet's older auntie.
>>722340545Higher beings refer to every sentient bug tho? Who is the "higher being" that is supposed to read this plaque? Who is supposed to go around to read every plaque? Was Hallownest expecting solely Gods and Demigods to go and read these signs, or are they simply propaganda for public consumption? What's more likely, that Pale King did an entire eternal signpost system that solely gave basic info to Demigods (and no one else), or that Hallownest propagandists were rhetorically uplifting regular bugdom into "high status" through these measures? >by living here, you are a special person worthy of regard, thanks to The Kingtype of deal.
>>722341269Hollow Knight, Nightmare Heart, Phantom, and Lace too.
>>722341303What do you mean least favorite?
>>722341361>Who is the "higher being" that is supposed to read this plaque?the player
>>722341361No. The Knight is a higher being. He's the son of Pale King and White Lady, so he's 100% deity himself.
>>722341475And void, 150% god
>>722341454Meta answer and correct on some level. >>722341475The issue is with the logic behind the system. What use is there in making this information public, solely to Gods and descendants of Gods? Its not like they're freely intermixing. If anything, God-tiers keep to themselves or kill each other when they do meet. Your idea of "higher beings" is too narrow. It can easily be viewed as a word for every denizen of Hallownest. It goes together with the Pale Kings broader agenda as well. Public services for free, education everywhere. A desire for the common bug to reach a higher state of being. A public information system, and commemorative plaques (marking the Vessel's ascension) are logical in this system. Pale King was very proud of his son. The statues, the place where he was born, all that information was available if you could get to it. Higher beings are not a thing in the way the fandom uses it. Team Cherry themselves are guilty of mixing up the terminology here, and of making the world building more diffuse by overusing these terms in AMAs, confusing the already confused redditors.
