Why does every Unreal Engine 5 game look like shit?
what's the issue
>>722310379Because the engine fucking sucks. It's rendering a million thing at the same time and tanking the GPU
They look like shit on motion because it turns out designing beutiful models and architecture doesnt mean shit when it requires fuckshit rendering methods and tacked on lighting you dont understand to make it playable
>>722310450Lumen Global Illumination (The UE5 flavor of Ray-Tracing)
>>722310379Because it's used by everyone So of course it's going to have a lot of ugly games from crappy devs who don't know how to use it
>>722310379TAA
Lumen is dogshit.0 lights in this scene. 0 emmisive textures.Simply one directional light that was deleted.
>>722310640t. retard
>>722310656Oh, also, viewmode is lit. Nothing esoteric.
>>722310379Software raytracing is a really bad idea.
Classic baked Directional lighting is objectively the best type of lighting. Not just because it's way more performant (and it is)But because of auteurship. Lumen just goes with whatever it's logical calculation ends up with, whish is more realistic sure but it doesn't convey emotion. Just like in movies, lighting is often intentional and used to craft a mood and idea. This is completely gone when you let an AI calculate it based on constantly changing movement. Especially in a game that has more corridors, fixed angles and artistic style, predetermined lighting ensures the visuals completely match the vision of the artist. That's what gives old games it their "soul" look.
>rely on temporal accumulation for your scene rendering for various perks/shortcuts/etc>some aspects of it aren't as properly tuned for it relative to other things and stand out like a sore thumb w/o more band-aids on top (DLSS)Hell, I was playing PS4 Spider-Man earlier, a seven year old game, and it has the same issue on contrasting surfaces.
because all of the millions of college students and jeet monkeys crunching for game dev companies only know how to use stock engine effects (if they know how to use them at all)so you get the same shit plastered on every game and it all looks like assin particular lumen lighting is shit because quite honestly ray tracing lighting of all forms is shit and will honestly just always be shit relative to actual hand crafted baked lighting, both in terms of performance and visual qualityits just too late to unfuck these issues because the industry is too big and they can't afford the time, money, and most importantly the limited skilled human resources available that could actually make anything that looks good on the scale that mainstream industry games are nowsome indies are still able to make stuff that doesn't look like shit but I wouldn't hold my breath on that lastinga proper industry crash can't come soon enough
>>722311078AI will fix this
>>722310936No that's retarded. You're retarded. Baking light is the exact same calculation except you cache the result by painting it onto a texture. It has a million obvious limitations and has always looked shitty because of fixed shadow map resolution and introduces a bunch of artifacts that are never intended by any of the artists.
>>722311078Pretty much stuck waiting on a small bored indie group to push and prove tech in a manner no one else is doing, like Kingmakers, w/ shader driven animation systems, so the CPU isn't stuck murdering itself handling rigs for literal 1,000s of models onscreen at once in that game's case.
>>722311213>Pretty much stuck waiting on a small bored indie group to push and prove tech in a manner no one else is doing>indieYou’re going to be waiting for a very long time. The current indie zeitgeist is “who cares about that nerd shit bro just use unreal/unity/vibegpt! No one needs to know what’s going on under the hood bro we’re INDIE”
>>722311213the problem with relying on indies is that they're inevitably made up of those college grad retards that can't tear themselves away from those stock engine effects, hence>I wouldn't hold my breath on that lasting
>>722311168>baking light in the workshop is just like rendering it every second on the customer's machine>it looks shitty because you can't upscale it (to what? something beyond the resolution being used?) and has artefactsYou're right, using DLSS and gaytracing gives us zero problems whatsoever, especially no artefacting, has no performance problems and definitely looks good in motion :/
>>722311294Indie fags are never going to change on their own. You would have to chase and shame the mongoloids out of game development which is not likely to happen in the current climate. It would take an act of Steam (either bringing back Greenlight or doing something to require some semblance of software quality and stability standardization) to cull the retards out.
>>722311529Imagine if Steam brought back Greenlight. Imagine the endless seethe and butthurt that would eventually turn into cope as the devs who can’t make the cut brag about sticking to the dumpster fire that is itchio.
The game looks like that because it's an indie level project with a small budget that is only possible thanks to premade tech, solution and assets, you should be asking that of games that have credits that go for 3 hours
>>722310379I don't have this on my game. You graphics card is probably 15 years old or you put your PC in the oven and temperature is 130C°
apparently ue5 offers shitty automated optimizers which offer just enough performance/graphics for a tasteless blind fucker to enjoy 20 fps fake frame blurry slopthis saves time and money on devs optimizing games manually so you can push maximum amount of slops with the cheapest indian wage costs
>>722310379Too slow, and it adds gay extra slowness to everything for no reason (on purpose). It makes me sick to look at.
>>722310656Constant ambient light?
>>722311054So basically these games requires motion blur as a form of anti-aliasing?
>>722312008Stop sucking some grifter's dick. The techniques themselves are slop it has nothing to do with "configuration". 99% of rendering tech was designed to work in dark scenes, anything closely similar to day-time requires hacks.
>>722310379because the engine is oriented towards ultra high realism but 98% of the developers who use it don't actually understand how to implement those features correctly. So you get stupid shit like this when the raytracing bounds aren't set up properly. Similarly, ultra-detailed environments and levels with characters that walk like puppets because they aren't animated correctly.
>>722312692Lmao, shitty techniques = users don't understand>>722310540>>722311054Sure buddy, Insomniac doesn't understand.
>>722310379looks like shit and demand NASA quantum computer. what kind of jewish trick is behind this?
>>722313040it's cheaper
>>722312008god I love Aqua
>>722310379>Dogshit jeet models that have never seen a woman in their entire life>Shitty store assets>absolute dogshit parry slopDUDE ISNT IT THE MOST GOTYEST GOT GOATED GAME VER>?!??!?!??EVAR EVARFOREVEAR!??!?!??
>>722312405Some weird reflected lighting getting baked bullshit. Not visually far off from that old webm of the guy throwing the grenade in Half Life 2 RTX and it lighting up the room for 4 seconds.Kinda a cool look while wandering around, but also clearly a bug.
>>722310379is it just me that thinks these characters look like shit? Like they remind me of how those characters look from those slop porn games on steam.
>>722311078What the hell is even happening here?
>>722311213>shader driven animation systemswhat? how?
>>722313401Oh. I should have read the thread. Someone posted that webm already. >>722311078
>>722310540I thought that effect was intentional in the previous game clip, thats really fucking bad lol.
>>722310379Lumen, UE5, Temporal anti aliasing and nanite are the four horsemen of the apocalypse. For various individual reasons.
>>722311078>UE5 requires almost no coding>Retardedboomerfaggots would rather hire jeets than teach younger people and millenials how to code and how to workflow>AI is now being used for gamesWe never stood a chance.Normalfags are beyond fucking retarded
>>722313131She has great personality for a goddess
>>722314059>than teach younger people and millenials how to code and how to workflowThis was always an eastern thing. West always had the notion of working on yourself. Carmack teached himself, Tim Sweeney learned from Carmack's source code, Jonathan blow learned by himself, etcDon't blame others for your lack of skills.
>>722311078>hand crafted baked lightingnobody tell him how baked lighting is made
i swear the metro exodus GI (2019) is like lost technology by now, did they lose it in the war or something
>>722310379Holy shit is that Clair (heh, no e at the end, it is "French" ;)) Obscure's Expedition 33????? Oh my god!!!!!
>>722310379Sonic Crossworlds look great.
>>722315253Rogue is allowed to have boobs again?
>>722315302yes, and they jiggle too.
>>722310379>Licensed asset flip being developed by mobile shovelware devs with default engine presets>Exists almost entirely to scam investors out of money, because the low effort stuff looks expensive in all the slides and stats they are shownUE5 is just a scam.
>>722314894Yeah, you're right, it's the western thing to actively dismantle the tools you used, put up regulations to prevent people from getting rich with whatever you were doing and sue anyone for frivolous IP infringement if it looks like they're making it on their own.
>>722314987When papa light casts rays at mama's PBR material surface
>>722315253smear = goodPeople are forgetting how crisp video game graphics used to look.
Schizo narcissistic tech guy shill threadNO, I AM NOT WATCHING YOUR SELF FELLATING VIDEOS
>>722316590Nobody gives a fuck about that grifter e-celeb.
let me guess, you need more
>>722316681Even that's stretching it too far.
>>722310379That has nothing with lumen. It's temporal antialiasing.
>>722316517pic unrelated
>>722310379what PS3 game is this?
>>722310379>>722310540why do u retards always cherry pickthis doesnt happen on good hardwarestop playing games if you cant get a solid 60fps
>>722316812>this doesnt happen on good hardwareThis happens on every major title on release with the current hardware. Then Njudia releases a new lineup, and people like you say it doesn't happen on good hardware.
>>722316860no it doesnt, rajeesh, chang, or whatever breed you are
Unreal is just a long nightmareGamers will wake up, when Source 3 releases
>>722316717That's literally just lumen (which is temporal lighting)
>>722316812The game is running at 90fps+ in the OP video
>>722313619some retard showed what happens when your frametimes are so bad that the game cant do fast enough calculations, and wants people to think it's normal.
>>722317208t. Nvindia employee
>>722317208>SAAR SAAR!!! IT IS THE INTENDED VISUAL EFFECT!!!
>>722317161it looks like every setting is on low. everything is aliasing in the background. and it still looks like frames are dropping. this was probably running on a steam deck or 15 year old pc.
>>722317208>90+ = so badfuck off
Threads like these make me feel less bad about being stuck with a GTX 1070. I haven't played a AAA game since Desu Ex MD anyways.
>>722317271>>722317329show fps counteryou cant
>>722317402>SAAAAAAAAAAAAAR BLOODY 15 YEAR PC IS MAKING GAME LOOK BAD
>>722317486>fps counter in top right corner>BENCHOD BASTARD SHOW FUCKING FPS COUTNER !!!!
>>722317486it's literally right there, fucking retard
>>722317486>SAAAAAAAAR I AM BLIND
>>722317329>57fpsyeah point proven
>>722310379toaster boy over here wondering why graphics bad
>>722316860I don't get ghosting like that at all on Expedition 33 and I only have a 3080. Stop being disingenuous retards
>>722317567>>722317547same guy btw
WE HAVE TO BE BETTER GAMERS AND ACCEPT UE5 VISUALS
>>722317486I don't think it's related to fpsRay tracing updates on a lower separate frame rate because computers can still barely run it
>>722317604Post video from the same location
>>722317486India everyone
>>722310379this game was painful to look at. The engine is fighting for it's life whilst the devs think more textures on screen = more beautiful. The result is an eyesore
>>722317634If i cap my fps to 30 or 60 the ghosting sticks around for longer
>>722310379because unstraight troongine is shit and timmy tencent sweeney is a retard
>>722310379UE5 is a shit engine, so it looks like shit.
What is the ghosting trail that is in every game these days?What setting is causing it?
>>722310379is there a way to fix this?
>>722317609
>>722317779ghost trails: on
>>722317470well thats the intent of these threads, to make people feel better about their old hardwareeven if its a blatant lie lol
>>722316517we need to go back
>>722317993You're a paid shill
Works on my machine
>>722318234It's working correctly in the OP video as well, that's just what it looks like.
>>722318262pretty sure the game has anti aliasing lil bro
>>722310379
>>722310379Mega Man X4 has the same issue. Garbage game
>>722317329I just tried and it looks fine
>>722311078Stalker 2 has the same shit lolalso I remember having similar problem in gmod like 10 years ago
>>722318910>I just tried and it looks fine
>>722319212works on my machine
>>722319273>if you stand in this specific spot and look at this angle and strafe back and forth rapidly it doesnt look very goodshit game 0/10
>>722319337It's more like it doesn't happen only if you stand in specific spots, otherwise this shit happens all the time any time you move in darker areas, bunkers, houses etc
>>722319220Literally just the smoke disappearing. You can't be this retarded right
>>722319523Smoke doesn't glow you fucking stupid jeet
>>722319523lmfao, the ABSOLUTE STATE of rtxcucks
>>722310379damnGlad my friend gifted me a quality PC last year
>>722318910poorfags btfo
>>722318910>the flames disappear into thin air>The lighting they cast remains for a noticeably odd length of time>It looks fine
>>722310379same lighting, same textures, same animations and same brown and bloom graphics always. unreal engine sloppa needs to be considered a crime against not only vidya, but also to society and the human soul.
>>722316973Games need to drop TAA for T and ALook how smooth those are.
>>722310379E33 issue is with Lumen because its accumulation period is set wrong. You can fix it very easily in the ini by changing the below:[/Script/Engine.RendererSettings]r.Lumen.ScreenProbeGather.Temporal.DistanceThreshold=0.005
>>722319825maybe you are just poor??? it works correctly on the nvidia GPUs no need to risk bricking you're PC with dangerous ini tweaks
The entire industry is fucked. Graphics were already solved. You had good pre-rendered lighting and you had good stencil shadows. It worked. You had high polygon count models and high resolution textures, it looked great. Everything was crisp. The games looked good. The games ran on hardware from 2004. You needed half a gigabite of RAM. Games were under 4gb in size.Now everything looks fucking shit. All sorts of post-processing, anti aliasing, peepeepoopoo sampling, DSLL, BBL, FSR, trilinear filtering, antiseptic filtering, ambient occlusion, ambient exclusion etc etc etcAnd the games look fucking awful. They run like shit. The game size is 500gb and you need a thousand dollar graphics card to even run the thing and you need a minimum of 18gb of RAM just to launch the fucking thing.Computing power only goes up and the games run worse and look worse. You can buy what would have been a supercomputer in 2004 to play games that look like they came out in 2004.
>>722319896>dangerous ini tweaksnta but fuck off retard and I have a 4070 ti super. Nothing amazing, but good enough to tell you to each shit.
>>722319971if you had nvidia gpu you would know they don't have ghosting problems at all
>>722310379ue5 days are numbered
unreal engine sloppa eaters be like yoo this graphics fire
>>722320017I think you got the wrong picture. This is the guy who says using anything but UE is retarded.
>dangerous ini tweaks
fuck the graphics,the gameplay is ass.I'm waiting for the movie.Hope they pick the good ending
>>722320094>"It's simple, we , uh, fix UE5"
>>722320225>the gameplay is assFiltered
>>722320296>time 19:54I can go to the Bell Gargoyles and beat them in that time
>>722310379>Why does every Unreal Engine 5 game look like shit?Indian engine built by Indians for Indians
>>722319914>just prerender everything broyeah gaming peaked with Myst for realz
>>722319971he is just ragebaiting, pretty poorly at that too.excuse the shitty streamable quality but it works for seeing the ghosting on the petals, system specs are up tophttps://streamable.com/z4v7ew - before changeshttps://streamable.com/gdry9x - post changes
>>722320975t. rannyThe lighting can be prerendered. It's not that much extra work to bake lighting into a scene that you are already making and decorating anyway. And if you are a seething troon and need your dynamic lighting so bad, Fear, Escape from Butcher Bay and Doom 3 already solved it and gave you good stencil shadows.
>>722316812very interesting that i can and could play incredible looking games like titanfall 2 or battlefield 1 (which are almost 10 years old) on ancient hardware at buttery smooth 60+ fps on ultra yet modern games run and look like shit, but im supposed to just blow thousands of dollars on overpriced GPU's that are mainly designed for AI use? fuck off man
>>722310379Are you blind, faggot?
>>722310452Just like every modern game engine then.
>>722310540This is due to TAA ghosting you retarded nigger.
>>722321387frostbite and source 2 runs great
>>722321387you dont see an issue with games made by different studios all looking the same? you faggots are surreal.
>>722321265you have very low standardsthat does not look incredible nowadayslooks even worse when you get close up to the textures in first person too
>>722310379I've tried many things to make this game not look like complete garbage. They use so much post processing to hide how ugly the game looks.
>>722321513>that does not look incredible nowadaysplease just kill yourself immediately, sanjeep.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltDjOmnAIj8
>>722320380That's because that anon did a difficult boss way before you normally would.
>>722321568yeah looks mehheres how modern games lookhttps://youtu.be/X9UKt_qtzvc
just buy new 5090
>>722310379because ue5 is dogshit and lumen and nanite are aliasing machines
>>722318910>looks finebased blind gaymer
>>722310936The movie analogy is dumb and I'm tired of hearing it. Movies don't use baked lighting. They use real fucking lights i.e. ray tracing. They place real light sources in a scene so that they have the desired effect on objects and the camera as they move through the scene. They don't paint the desired shadows, ambient occlusion, diffuse bounce lighting and specular highlights onto the objects - these are created dynamically by the real light sources out of shot.
>>722311437things he never said for $100
Developers should buy me a PS5, new vidya card and all the games, so I can play them.Seems fair, it's they who want me to play their 60$+ barely working games.
playing this game and even maxed out with rt on you still get these artifacting churning shadows in some places. what a garbage engine
Retards with poor financial skills get roped into buying $123578241 AI gimmicks all for pretty screenshots and then cope with their retard purchases by playing undertale or some VN faggotry on their $30179823521780 PCLiterally worse than gachashit whales lmao
>>722314894>Carmack teached himself, Tim Sweeney learned from Carmack's source code, Jonathan blow learned by himself, etcthis reads like pasta.software technology is more complex now than it was back then. carmack taught himself freshman level rendering techniques that only needed to work from one POV on flat surfaces.
>>722321431It's quite literally ray tracing being so slow it doesn't update on time, every single game where you enable raytracing has this exact issue, there's countless videos on youtube stating that it's ray tracing not updating at the same time as the character's movement.Just keep telling yourself the same lies about being TAA that did work perfectly fine for years before.
>>722322610DLSS? it looks...bad
>>722319914>You had good pre-rendered lightingi love waiting a week to bake lighting then come back to office and see the baker crashed and having to start over only to notice lightbleed everywhere and having to start overAO and GI are great, the fact there are problems temporal denoising and temporal AA today dosnt mean we suddenly have to go back to fucking quake 1 graphics from 1997 or when the fuck it came out
>>722316681Yes. I need Half-Life 3.
>>722310379This never happened to me
>>722322610jej
>>722322947why should i, the consumer, care about your pains as a developer? if the product is better or worse, that is my concern
>>722310379This keeps happening to me.
>new CPU, old ass lolcow GPU>Stellar Blade port runs like butter, E33 like molasses
>>722323117you arent the targeted audience anymore lol eat shit
>>722323230guess i won't buy the niggerslop
>games look better than reality>/v/: ugh, so ugly, absolutely disgustinggo back to the 90s if you miss those eldritch pixel horrors so much
game looks weird but it's still fun
>>722321663ah yes the make everything wet gta san andreas 2023 2024 2025 realistic looking night day prefix hotfix mod download in link descriptionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6cQQT4i4uY
>>722323657good argument lmao
>>722310379Not knowing anything of Lumen I thought that this was some surrealist effect in the Mansion and in my ignorance made the Mansion seem more spooky and otherworldly.
>>722323491>eldritch pixel horrorshe says while tolerating whatever the fuck is happening in op videololyou clown
>>722324401I'm not tolerating anything because I don't play indie shovelware like op in the first place, you clown
Is there any way of making that wretched lumen lighting have a lower response time?
The lumen in Inzoi is beyond cancer levels. I don't know how my sister tolerates it.
you can also find that lumen shit in Abiotic factory, a game mimicking half life 1 graphic but with unreal engine, i fucking hate turning on my flashlight for that single reason
>>722326723even in cartoonish cel shaded games you can tell its unreal engine sloppa. play SMTV for example and then Sandland. both games have the same fucking lighting and looking particle effects. its fucking Wild that when the complaints about UE are brought up many focus only on the performance aspect and not enough on every game looking the same and making vidya soulless as fuck.
Lumen is dogshit, because the technology known as Global Illumination is dogshit, or rather it's a technology whose demands far exceed what hardware can provide. GI is such an insane resource hog, that we'll need several more graphics card generations before we can use it reliably, because right now is like trying to run crysis on a gamecube.
>>722310379bad devs
>>722310379Isnt this DLSS's fault? I noticed this sometimes in FF6 Rebirth and it was gone after I turned it off and did not lose any performance.
>>722315302>>722315395Its a mod or AI. Her boobs arent that big nor do they jiggle but they did reverse the covering of her back they did for Sonic X Shadow.
>>722310450OP plays on a 960m in 2025
>>722322947Ambient occlusion has been shit in virtually every game since the ps5 launched. Devs stopped supporting hdao and hbao and switched to generic ssao engine plugins which add dark haloes to every object above a certain size. Look at Witcher 3’s RTX update, virtually all ssao shadowing was gone in launch because they cut the hardware accelerated vendor specific tech.
>>722328619The way DLSS, frame gen, and ray tracing denoising/temporal accumulation interact seems to be quite complex and not as straight forward as "ray tracing draws the image and DLSS upscales the final picture frame by frame" so it's hard to say which aspect is at fault, most likely all of the above. The noise you are seeing is definitely ray tracing noise since it manifests around light changes in 3D space. Higher resolution will certainly help, so if you're CPU bottlenecked and can turn up the res or disable DLSS entirely with no performance impact then you will of course see less noise. But it could also be a result of something deeper with how DLSS interacts with denoising on an internal rendering level.
>>722310379it's the lazy mans game engine, instead of doing anything you use some plugin to create your sloppy open world and then you let nanite and lumen handle the rest, this also makes it run like shit
>>722310540I wonder what would happen if they made Stalker 2 and it had the same graphical fidelity as the original, but they kept the marketing budget the same.Would people really not buy it because the textures were low res? I mean the OG game to this day has good art design, it's not an ugly game
>>722321431I tried every option in Stalker 2 and they all have ghosting
>>722310379Engine adaption seems to be highly dependent on the skill of the lower level engineers. DICE could make Frostbite absolutely sing but every other studio who tried to touch it made only colossal fuckups like Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, and even Dead Space looked worse than it did on that goofy ass homebrewed Tiger Woods engine.I guess it's obvious that it would be the case, but still, why are there no low level software engineers in this field anymore.
