Why was he so hated in Overwatch 1?
i need healing
>>722318889high skill floor character that attracted selfish edgelords, quality shared with his brother
>>722318889He wasn't hated per se, his players were. Genji is one of the more mechanically difficult characters to play and almost every player who picks him is an isufferable faggot thinking he's the coolest shit just because he can play Genji and they are carrying the whole game by themselves. While in reality, they had to be babysat by the whole team to be any useful.
NIGGER
>>722319035erm... enjoy your vacation xhud~
>>722318889>double jump, animation in 3rd person also flips him in the air making headshots impossible>deflect making him invulnerable>Deflect and dash can be animation canceled >literally just rightclick, deflect (Fully invincible during this time)-dash-melee, 1 shot combo>0 counterplay as a squishyyeah....why is he hated?
*aims at ur feet*SCATTER
Remember people getting filtered by Bastion?Those were the times.
>he's so overpowered and easy to use>he's super difficult yet only shitters play himmake up your mind
>>722319248Counter point..... winton
>>722320423oppressive when played properly, -1 to team when notthat's bad character design because it create a constant imbalance in every match if the character is regularly picked
>>722318889Is basically a copy of ninja form mgs
>>722320563>character that takes skill to play properly instead of retarded unga bunga? bad game design
It's pretty remarkable how the simple addition of role queue removed 90% of the shitflinging that used to go on in the game. It's gotten to the point people will even start coordinating plays in comp
>>722320563The one thing that doesn't change is that every Genji player is a shithead>no fuck you, I won't prioritize healing your suicidal Genji that just run off into a middle of the enemy group over the rest of my team. Get back here and coordinate, you fucking drama queen.
>>722320619by that definition every high ranked player that plays him should have a 100% WR or close it, no?
>>722318889Because he's played by insufferable cuntshe's just the Yasuo of Overwatch
>>722320668look out pepe
>>722319332>torb quad kills with a sentry on the payload
>>722320803Yeah. Bastion, Torb and Mei are ridiculously easy to counter, they just require team coordination.The issue is that nobody ever bothers to coordinate, to Bastion gets POTG, because my teammates try to take him on one at the time like lemmings
I need healing.
>>722320704Spider-man of Marvel Rivals?
>>722320972Fuck you. Die.
>>722320507Your counterpoint is a shitty tank who was never worth picking?
>>722320507>90% of Winston players leap off to fight Genji 1v1, leaving the rest of the team unpropected.No, Winston can fuck off.
>>722321052>was never worth pickinglollmao
>>722320693players who stick to a demanding and hard to learn characters(zato, yun etc.) should be rewarded for their time and effort
>>722321190>i bash head against wall for more time, reward mecommunist ideology. you should only be rewarded if you are valuable to the victory not because you pressed buttons a million times
>>722321125YesYour tank options were rein, orisa, or sigma with a side order of zarya, dva, or hog. Winston was worthless even as a beam counter pick against genji because the mobility doesn't help and zarya deals more damage, has a better ult, and better targetted protection for genji divesAnd this is ignoring that winston is completely hopeless against nanoblade while someone like hog or rein has at least a shot at stunning him.
>>722320972>>722321037>>722321190>So brainrotted you can't go 5 minutes without posting your "waifu"You "people" are so pathetic.
>>722321190Fuck you, nobody ever appreciated my work as Tracer, even though I was trying my best.
>>722318889It's amazing how every single Overwatch 1 hero released after launch countered him in some way. Yeah, with Ana, Sombra, Orisa and Ashe he could still win but then you have the absolute clusterfucks that were Moira, Briggite and Doomfist.t. Mained Genji, Reinhardt and Zenyatta
>>722321190>aryan osaka.jpg
>>722321273>waifu>>722321262huh? hard to learn, hard to master characters SHOULD be powerful because nobody will learn them otherwise
>>722321289I actually dropped off shortly after the introduction of Orisa. The game because way too insufferable to play at that point with constant balance changes that only broke more things.>that one time Zenyatta got so overpowered it made Mercy redundant.
>>722320972My doctor tae
>>722318889Had mid experiences with him but the few times I raped were greatSame with McCree
>>722319263Hanzo wasn't even that bad. I remember everybody kept getting filtered by his ult, until somebody finally figured out that you can STRAFE TO THE SIDE.
>>722321575Nobody bitched about his ult, just his shotgun
>>722318889he just wanted healing
>>722318889Because the game handles vertical FOV and aiming terribly so anyone who does vertical shit is considerably more difficult to hit than they should be, a symptom of having devs who never made a first-person game
>>722320423a good genji is hard to play against for a lot of characterssee >>722319248a bad genji or played into hard counters will bring almost no valueso its annoying to play against and with in many cases
I haven't played Overwatch since 2018. Is there a point in coming back to it now?
>>722318889overwatch started a trend of very uppity healer players. god forbid someone that wasnt reinhardt took damage, suddenly damage players were a problem instead of a part of the team.
>>722318889Because the enemy team's Genji was an asset and my team's Genji was a useless fucking spunk bubble.
>>722321797the game is probably in the best state it's ever beenkaplan was the problem
>>722321810Healer player here.Fuck you. I refuse to prioritize a Genji with a death wish that keeps charging straight into an enemy group by himself like a retard over the rest of my team.
>>722321810medic in tf2 kinda deserve to be uppity albeit
>>722321881I guess I'll probably get filtered immediately, because the meta changed so much I wouldn't be able to compete with all the veteran players.
the real answer is he was part of a meta shift in which the game became less about individual skill and more about timing and combining ultimate's at the right time. Nanoboosting Genji, and Hanzo and Zarya ultimate etc.
>>722321987there's more than enough newfags, shitters, and normies to queue into
>>722319125I’ve actually been banned for this before, what has happened to 4chan? What happened to free speech?
>>722321810Constantly diverting the healer's attention away from the tank because you stink at your role does in fact make you a problem.
>>722321810I played Moira so I was able to heal everyone at the same time kek
>>722322324healers should be the ones goving out orders, as he must almost ALWAYS survive, he is away from the frontline so he can observe and analise the situation better, and he is more laid back so he can divert attention to tactics and stuffdealers and tankers should give the healer info and the healer should make decisions
>>722319263> scatter used to one shot even tanksThank god they removed it
Is Tracer finally viable? I liked her chaotic gameplay, but she kept getting countered by half of the roster back in the day. Especially Roadhog, whose hook was literally magically able to home in on her everytime.
>>722321271How fucking bad were you at this game if you think like that lmao
>>722322156Most rules only apply if you make janny seethe in some way and xhe goes through your post history
>>722322635How bad were you to think otherwise?
>>722322548>healers should be the ones goving out orders, as he must almost ALWAYS surviveThat's why I refuse to heal dumb Genjis who run off by themselves into an enemy group.No, stop spamming >I need healingI am not your personal healer on a leash.
>>722322680You are so mad that i called you out.
>>722322740You are so mad that you have no argument
>>722322583weren't genji, widow, tracer, and hanzo unstoppable before brigitte came out?
Nothing in overwatch is high skill besides being able to play it for more than 1 hour before uninstalling from boredom.The hit boxes are laughably stupid large
>>722322797someone post the clips of how fat the projectiles in this game are also >mfw Overwatch league
>>722322784Genji and Hanzo, maybe. But Tracer was always an odd duck. She had so little health she could literally die to one stray bullet, she had no defensive skills, unlike Genji, her revert time ability was easily punishable if you just kept paying attention and there were characters who flat out hard-countered her, like Roadhod and his magnetic hook. Also, her ult was very underwhelming.
>>722321271>What is dive compYou are retarded, Winston was the go to tank in dive comp. And speaking of dive comp, Genji was always the first character to be swapped off, it's almost like the constant Winston threat made him useless.
I want to BE Mercy!
>>722322156Depends on the retard watching the board. If you get banned for a reply it's most likely some anon reported you.
>>722318889on top of being the writer's pet he was also Jeff's class pet who never got nerfed or had anything bad happen ever.
>>722322784No. And how the hell would Brig dissuade a Widow, they play on different planets.
>>722323092>tfw completely forgot about jeffNo wonder the balance was always in the shitter when a fucking MMO-retard was in charge of it.
>>722323092>Lost his triple jump>Deflect duration shortend>Super jump glitch removed (meanwhile's Mercy jump glitch got turned into an actual mechanic)>Shuriken damage nerfed multiple times>Rate of fire nerfed multiple time>Dragon Blade nerfed multiple times>Ammo nerfed>Deflect hitbox reducedLet me guess, you're one of those shitters that can't fight a Genji, so you run to the forums to cry about him
The first months before they added ranked were amazing. I miss it
>>722323138i heard the meta used to be 1 tank 4 dealers 1 healer until brigitte came out and shut down tracer and genji, then the meta turned into 3 tanks 3 healers
For me it was the hanzo players with the wolf skin, oddly always the wolf skin. >POTG is panic scatter shot into a wall followed by dragon vaguely in the direction of the objective
>>722323272>dash reset on kill never nerfed>invuln never nerfed>wall climb never nerfed>broken double jump animation never replaced>ult still busted despite pathetic -2s nerf>literal busted tech like genji superjump and bugs removed somehow counts as a nerf
>>722323294No, before Brig came out, it was dive meta, which was just the normal 2 of each role.
>>722323280the game was honestly always shit and i could tell ever since the beta. Despite my better judgement i still bought the game and suffered through like 2 seasons of dogshit hero balance and probably the worst movement in an fps ever designed.
>>722323410>dash reset on kill never nerfedIt is a core part of his kit retard, why the fuck would they nerf it. That's like making it so Widow can't get headshots>invuln never nerfedHe doesn't have any invuln you idiot>wall climb never nerfedOnce again, a core part of his kit, why the fuck would they nerf>broken double jump animation never replacedlrn2aim>ult still busted despite pathetic -2s nerfYeah, the ult that could be retarded useless with one healer looking at Genji's target or the equally braindead support ults. Yeah, you're just a shitter>literal busted tech like genji superjump and bugs removed somehow counts as a nerfWhen they make bugs a part of another character's kit, yeah, it does count as nerf
>>722323280Yeah, it doesn't change the fact that a lot of Overwatch fandom were shitters.>I got to play Rein tank.>I roll a retarded team who just keeps lumping around me and nothing else>I come across an enemy McCree that immediately unleashes his ult upon my team. >at this point I can only hold my shield up and hope for the best>the enemy team realizes what's up and coordinates to destroy my shield, while I'm screaming at my teammates to stop just hiding behind my shield and take out the McCree.>my shield finally breaks, McCree wipes my whole team>"wtf, Rein, you suck, why didn't you tank'It was almost 10 years ago and I am salty to this day. Fuck Overwatch.
>everyone's movement tech is highly telegraphed and static>can't even rocket jump as Pharah>release doomfist>let him fly around the map like he's got wings, breaks all the rules that other characters have regarding movement with a oneshot ability as wellfucking most disgusting thing ever
>>722318889never played overwatch but whenever i did look into it he seemed like the most fun
>>722323021I miss the times Mercy was viable.
>>722323760In the same patch they nerfed hog for having a oneshot combo to make it even more galling.
>>722323386That's me!>scatter shot gets a kill somehow>THE WOLF HUNTS FOR ITS PREY!!>gets stuck climbing a wall>potg
>>722324118technically doomfist has to put himself more at risk, but it's just so flagrant how every other characters movement was so static and almost rigidly telegraphed, but then Doomfist got to abuse his movement tech like crazy.Look I'm still salty about this game, I was promised a game that would allow skill expression like an arena shooter but in the end it's just another shitty ASSFAGGOTS game
>>722324178it's kind of wild to think someone at blizzard approved hanzo at release and manually thought that scattershot and his ult was somehow okay to dump into a sweatfest wannabe comp game.
>>72232362190% of the time you are also the retard, birds of feather flock together
>>722318889Support circlejerk was at a all time high because no role queue and genji got shat on a lot because despite all of the shit in his kit, he was literally a bladebot that requires 2 ults to actually do shit, I've even seen people play widow in dive instead of him
>>722324653>i find you irritating
i'm asking earnestly, why do people play mercy? why is it that people choose a hero who spectates instead of playing?
>>722324653for me, i always get healed the least when i am also playing support. i really think its because they want more healing stats than me.
>>722321190Is that why genji players had literal meltdowns over some small justified nerfs?Playing as Genji was like beating up small children
For every support player who kept picking Symmetra instead of any char that can ACTUALLY HEAL PEOPLE.Fuck you. Yes, you specifically.
>>722324942I don't know how is it now but back in ow1 she was really beginner-friendly healer and sometimes she could be hard to kill if you learned how to fly correctly. I have no idea why anybody would main her though.
>>722324424Hanzo has one of the most useless ults bro
>>722325101>>722324942what is she like compared to medic in tf2? i mean her abilities are similar
>>722321810What? As healer you weren't just hiding behind the tank, you just flew around healing everyone, especially the offensive characters.Of course retards like Genji players who expect healers to follow them into the enemies just to so they could die, felt ignored.
>>722325101She was beginner-friendly AND effective, until Blizz nerfed her to the ground. So in the end she was this feel-good character that other players felt is useful even if the player maining her was a shitter.
>>722318962>High skill floorLmao>Most mobility in the game>Mobility resetting on eliminations for some reason so he never had to choose between getting in or having an escape, he always has both>Retarded hitbox with double jump + breaking players cameras because you cant just look straight up and backwards>Shuriken M2 is easy as fuck to land at his ideal range because the hitbox was huge (This was BEFORE they made everything easier to land)>Gameplay revolved around flanking, dashing in, pressing M2 while staring at someone's asshole then immediately dashing out, very little aiming involvedHe was legitimaetly the easiest dps to play because of how little risk he involved and how little aiming he required.
>>722325302could you even hook him if he had deflect up?
>>722325151The only similarity is that both have an auto-aim beam heal and a side arm
>>722325067She should have been a defender from the get go. Car wash symmetra with a teleporter/shield generator was fun.I dont like new Sym nearly as muchBut I think Overwatch is too simple, with too few team slots to justify splitting dps into "attackers" (tracer, reaper, genji) and "bunker defense" (bastion, torb, sym), but what this means is the bunker defence type heroes all got more homogenised and lost a lot of their flavour
>>722325302t. Two hours on Genji with a 1:12 KD.
>>722318889Retards trying to force Genji against a good Winston or Zarya, and proceeding to go 0-0-7.
>>722325349Nope, deflect blocked literally everything that wasnt syms beam/turrets, meis ice beam and winstons tesla cannonNot even sure if Lucio's boom affected him during it but that wouldnt matter too much
>>722325302Yeah, he's ironically way easier to main than let's say Tracer, who has no defensive abilities and no verticality. Tracer gets countered by a spergy Junkrat who keeps spamming his main attack, forcing her to retreat. Genji can just push through with Deflect.
>>722325449>Genji fags screeching and hollering that their main is definitely high skill guys *dashes dragonblade m1 dash to collect free kills*Your hero was always a noob crutch
>>722325151medic is a complete game changer and match winner, mercy is a throw pick. in tf2 you have one healer, plus engineer. in ow2 you have several options for healers who also output large damage. plus medic himself actually gets kills with his crossbow and saw. if mercy is pulling out her blaster, she's throwing even more than usual.
>>722325556Yeah bro, the character that was barely seen during a meta almost handcrafted for him is braindead easy. Which healer did your dog shit ass play, Zen?
>>722325503Tracer demanding aiming on top of twitch reactions and having fast reflexes to know when to keep going and when to recall, and even that was necessarily a free get out of jail card because of the delaySoldier demanding good aim or you was basically just a load constantly running awayMcCree demanded VERY good aim or you contributed nothing and died constantly (Flashbang FTH antics aside)Hanzo was incredibly vulnerable to being flanked and had to constantly watch his positioning Junkrat, torb, bastion and mei were bad so nobody cares about themThe only hero comparably "easy" to genji in terms of player input vs reward received was Widow, and Widow still demanding good aim and was vulnerable to dive
So, how are all those new characters?
>>722324942in korea if you ask overwatch fans why the game turned into dogshit 80% will reply "women", there's a stereotype called "(보르시)literally vagina+mercy" which means dogshit (femaler) healers who would just play with a smurfing simp, heard it got so bad you would see them every 3 games, and they'd blame everyone else when they lostso the playerbase really hates women
>>722325132it would be useless if zarya didnt exist
>>722325590Mass rez Mercy was the most busted character in the game.
>>722325779Any support pressing Q mitigated dragon's damage. They even removed the ability for Mercy to damage boost dragon.
>>722325735>to know when to keep going and when to recall, and even that was necessarily a free get out of jail card because of the delayNot to mention an attentive enemy player will just punish Tracer right as she exits the Recall if she's too obvious with it.That Roadhog with his hitscan chain will haunt my nightmares forever.
>>722325745holy shit, based. they are not wrong, mercy's are still unfortunately everywhere. i have as many of them as possible on avoid though, which helps.>>722325787yes, how many years ago? honestly, overwatch classic being a thing now, has hopefully removed the rose tinted glasses from people. the game was complete shit back then.
He's themed like some glass cannon ninja that takes skill to use precisely but in reality he is a training-wheels hero with multiple get-out-of-dieing-free cards and attacks based on spamming and then using your unmissable insta-damage CD to finish off after getting a bit luckyTo this day I don't think deflect should actually bounce enemy attacks back, and it should work on a lot less shit (any explosive that normally detonates on impact, shit like fireball is just taking the piss)
>>722325667I mained tracer coz I could actually aim and enjoyed fast gameplay>barely seen during a meta almost handcrafted for himWhich meta are you describing, Genji was a popular pick in comp play for the first two years of the game because there was very little else comparable. Even for the first 3 stages of OWL he was very popular pick, just wasn't as good as Tracer in pro player handsThen double sniper meta came in and he disappeared for a while until he came back in 2020 when the game was based around Nanoblade, but then he got nerfed again and hitscan dps were popular until OW2 released
>>722325590Mercy's damage boost makes her a fucking pain if she's surgically attached herself to a smurfing hitscan. Literally every time a certain hitscan would become "harmful to the meta", like Sojourn in early OW2, it was because of how oppressive they'd become with a mercy pocket.
>>722325906if you're still attacking a deflecting genji i just don't know what to tell you man.>>722325993this is a problem like 90% on console lol.
>>722325590interesting how TF2 revolves around medic's uber while mercy is very passive-matching the characters' personalities
the second character they released is the direct counter to genji. Sombra completely countered him. This was the start of the rock paper scissors effect in which you were constantly balancing if it was worth swapping off a hero or trying to get your ultimate.
>>722319263holy shit that garbage was in the game for too long
>>722322784yes but too many redditors bitched about it so she got nerfed into the ground
>>722326060Thats the thing about deflect that makes him many times more tricky to deal with than other skinny bitch heroes. With his small dancy hitbox and unpredictable movement, you have to try hard to shoot him...but at the same time, you SHOULDN'T, because at any second he could be making shooting at him a bad idea. Le sneaky glass cannon ninja maybe shouldn't be able to turn the firepower of whole teams back at them
>>722326061yeah kiri and ana are more comparable to tf2 medic i'd say. but tf2 medic still mogs. as much as i appreciate a level 3 dispenser.
>>722326063Ice pig already shut him down pretty handilySadly Sombra's ability to shut down bullshit has since been gimped to a joke, I don't know why hack even still has a cast time if its only going to lock out abilities for like half a second
>>722319263>enemy tries to retreat into a door/hallway>get's scattered
>>722326221>Le sneaky glass cannon ninja maybe shouldn't be able to turn the firepower of whole teams back at themThis. He obviously had it for thematic reasons, but it never made sense to me that an aggressive "assassin" styled hero had such a strong defensive ability.Heroes should be more geared towards offense or defense and genji having both was what made him annoying
>>722326221maybe you just don't have many hours. you get very used to genji's deflect, he starts getting zero reflects ever if you're playing with non-newbs. it is literally just a timeout for him to escape and not an offensive ability like it is against mouthbreathers.
>>722325417>oh man I'd love to have more than 12 players per game!>overwatch 2 announcement
>>722324942there was a brief period where being a healer bot playing whack a mole with health bars was viable until someone at Blizzard actually played the fucking game for once and decided that people should actually play a shooter not not a glorified spectator mode.
>>722325982Dive meta. Genji was almost always the first hero to be swapped off, he sometimes got replaced with fucking Widow. Because playing Genji into his counter was a waste of time. Yes, this includes OWL
>>722326221At the very least, she shouldn't be able to deflect ults.>tfw McCree usually ends up killing himself when trying to Deadeye the team with Genji in it.
>>722326274That's not sad, it was horrible game design.also Mei was a useless character they created as a joke
because everyone who played as him sucked assloved grappling them as roadhog and one-shotting them before they nerfed him for literally no reason
>>722318889I hated Lucio, Mei, and RoadhogGenji was annoying but only bronze really hated him
>>722326304it's not about reflects. it's about him becoming invincible save for beams or a sigma rock and being able to animation cancel it at his will into comboing half your health away in the blink of an eye
>>722326063>>722326274Both Sombra and Mei were largely garbage for the majority of overwatch 1's lifespan.Sombra was a niche pick early on but good in GOATS where Genji never got pickedAnd then later when Sombra got buffed she basically replaced genji in dive comps so they never fought there either. Sombra was stronger for being an anti tank than anything elseMei was just never a good pick at high levels
>>722325251How did they nerf her?
>>722326332understandable, but 2 has been out for a long time now. that being said, most mercy mains i see are called like 'kittenbaby' so i suppose its self explanatory. if we removed mercy i think the female playerbase would shrink from 10% to 0%.
>>722326304>I want to use my CD to deal with thie Genji, but I can't, being careful means I literally cannot fire it off until I know deflect is on CD>It might actually already be, I don't know. He doesn't actually have to be quick or skilled enough to actually pop it at the right time to foil me at all, me just knowing it could happen even from luck means it protects him from my CD.And then imagine you have to do with with an ult
>>722324942unironically for the female audience specifically the fake gamer girl types who don't actually want to play the game, they want to tell others they've played itand also for the girls who want to play with their boyfriendsthe concept was so successful that riot copied it for league of legends
>>722319263>>722326287>>722322562Hanzo shouldnt have been able to one shot tanks by scattering your feet but I still really liked the idea of scatter arrow in theory. It should have been redesigned or like, have to fly a certain distance before it could split or something like that so it wasnt a shotgun
>>722326294how is it strong? i'd really like to know. reaper and moira also have the same thing, and they suck asshole, just like genji. the only thing i can think of is that you just keep shooting him in deflect, like a retard.
>>722326424changed her AOE mass resurrection to just a single resurrection with a cast time. Her ult made her fly around, which is ultimately pretty pointless apart from for memes when you tried to kill people with her pistol
>>722326374Mei is a tank in the damage slot, well-timed walls are fight-swinging
>>722324942i like the idea of being able to jump around and try to dodge fire while healing everyone and keeping them alive and boosting when needed, but she unironically works better off as a heal bot that sits behind a dps and occasionally presses E
>>722326351Correction:Dive Meta Context (Season 1, Stage 1–3, 2018)The main DPS duo was Tracer + Genji.Some teams preferred Tracer + Widowmaker, but Genji was still heavily played, especially on control maps and assault maps where Nano-Blade was strong. Approximate OWL Stage 1–2 Pick Rates (from Winston’s Lab & Overbuff archives):Tracer: ~70–80% pick rate (near-universal).Genji: ~20–35% pick rate (map-dependent).By comparison:Widowmaker hovered around 15–25%.Soldier/Pharah were niche.Genji’s pick rate was highest on maps like Nepal, Hanamura, and Gibraltar, where dive comps excelled.The robots are calling you a liar
>>722326470I'm convinced the game in general would be better if they'd also followed TF2 in not having headshots
>>722326524Those changes came pretty late.
>>722326532oh true I forgot about the wall. Getting stuck in chokes and having to time the push so everyone runs through at once so you don't get walledI truly don't miss playing that game.
>>722326396>it's about him becoming invincibleHe wasn't invincible, how shit are you? Any aoe attack could hit him if you aimed to the side instead of directly at him.
>>722326448>10% to 0%I think a lot more girls play OW than you realise. Of all the shooters I think they gravitate to there or valorant, and its easier than valorant but still has cute and hot female characters which girls seem to prefer
>>722325590It's interesting how Blizzard for some reason completely ignored the healing-ramp up on the medigun. the HPS being flat whether the player being healed was being damaged recently or not just reeks of WoW's arena bullshit where healers are oppressive as fuck, being able to instantly undo any damage. It just goes to show that Robin Walker and his team really knew how to make an FPS while Blizzard was stuck trying to recreate the wheel with MMO combat that frankly fucking blows.
>>722326646>just stack the entire team's aoe abilities (That deal way less damage when not hitting directly) to kill him>he's not invincible btware you retarded?
>>722326702Mcree's flashbang was in the game since launch
>>722326745and it does what? hinder him. he can't dash in that half a second, still deflects, which makes him invulnerable, and the hinder, it goes away by the time deflect is over
>>722326374Mei is just not fun to play against. She probably had the most infuriating kit in the game.>her gun constantly slows you down until you stop dead in your tracks>she has her bullshit wall on a quick cooldown that can stop the whole enemy team>she has this stupid turtle skill that lets her get away scot-free from punishment>and then there is her icicle sniper rifleIt's like Blizzard was trying to create the most infuriating character to play against.
>>722326702>just stack the entire team's aoe abilitiesNo, how shit are you. A Pharah shooting rockets around Genji was a enough. A Junk spamming a chokepoint's walls was enough. Any beam character existing was enough. A discord orb on Genji was enough. Man, you must have been one shit support player if you think Genji is some unkillable monster.
>>722326863just say you don't play the game you fucking faggot.
>>722326496>how is it strongGenji is cooldown based. He can use the deflect to basically wait out his dash cd whilst he repositions to safety with double jump.Genji attacks from behind, forcing you to turn, then deflects, forcing you to not attack. You are forced to either ignore genji and turn back around to fight his team, at which point genji will kill you, or stare at him with your back to his team so his team kills you. But staring at him does nothing because you cant shoot him.Also: Projecties meaning genji can choose to deflect something you already fired at him and he can respond to other big projectile attacks with callous like zarya ulti, or even against hitscans with callouts like soldier and mccree which prevents them from firing at all.>Reaper and moiraReaper couldnt cancel his wraith walk, was tethered to the ground AND it was slow back then, his regular walking speed. He had to just walk away and hope nobody followed him to finish him off (this also reminded me that genji had faster ground run speed than every other hero except tracer for some reason)>MoiraMoira is a healer man what does she have to do with it? If shes trying to flank you with her asshole tickle beam shes doing your team a favour by playing so shit
>>722326832she was slow as fuck though and very easy to instantly kill as widowthe problem was that every map seemed to have a gate choke point that was exactly the width of her wall.and of course slow projectile guns are absolutely terrible. Unless you make their hit box the size of a basket ball.
>>722325302what do you think a floor is?
>>722326797You kill him stupid faggot, he's stunned. Surely even your dumb ass was capable of flashbang + RMB>>722326889I played the game extensively you shitter. You are are just a dog shit player is all.
>>722326863lol. a genji being on the enemy team was reason enough to switch off any junk or pharah cause you'd just die to reflect when he dashes into your face and holds m2. he'd also dash back into his team cause his dogshit kit lets him get picks for free. fun game.
>>722326960flashbang hasn't been a stun for over 2 years. Confirmed for not playing, opinion discarded
>>722326694The healing ramp up against missing health vs being slower to apply overhealth was great game design choice, giving medic players choices but encourage triaging the team over pocketing one personMedic was also the only player with an "ultimate" that he lost on death so it encouraged a style of play of staying safe rather than being overly aggressive. It was a very well designed class overall.Mercy kinda just copied him without the nuance and added some thematic but largely not very important movement options and never really thought about the consequences
>>722326916>and very easy to instantly kill as widowYou just need a competent Widow in your team. In my experience, most players just want to 1v1 a Mei player, who just keeps trolling them with her bullshit kit.
>>722318889Kojima invented cyber ninjas
>>722326832whichever ex-WoW dev thought directly porting frost mage into a hero shooter was a good idea should be ostracized from ever working in the game industry
>>722321273Most retarded post I've seen on this board the entire year. Congratulations.
>>722326745>>722326646>>722326702Flash bang was a good counter to genji but if the genji knew what he was doing he just got close enough to the cowboy to kiss him, because you could effectively cover the cowboy's screen in the deflect hitbox so mccree couldnt throw it around the deflect radius. The deflect radius hitbox was deceptively big, bigger than the model implied.
>>722326909Reaper still IS stuck to the groundWhy DOESN'T Wraith let him fly?It doesn't even give him GLIDE. If you drop from a great height during wraith, the camera still judders and you hear his boots fall and him grunt from landing, even though hes SUPPOSED TO BE FLOATING
>>722326995Holy fuck, how shit are you people? You could literally sit on your trap and mine as Junk and a Genji would dash into you for a free kill.>>722327019This is an OW1 thread bucko, nobody is playing OW2.
>>722327120yes and it ended up in a ridiculous situation where you are aiming your flash bang way up or at his feet right?overall games like this need to show information better, the deflect animation doesn't really relay to the player what it's actually doing
>>722326941Exactly what I described. Genji was easy because he had lots of toys and tools to get out of jail free and none of them were particularly hard to use. Also he didnt require good aim to play effectively unlike the hitscan charactersPharah was harder than him to play despite having a splash damage rocket launcher because she had to consider her positioning carefully or get beamed instantly
>>722318889idk, i mained him, he was funnever played comp though, only enjoyed qp matches for mechanical gameplaycouldn't care less about my ranki had fun playing the game
>>722326916>and of course slow projectile guns are absolutely terrible. Unless you make their hit box the size of a basket ball.I think her icicle was a size of basketball, actually. And it wasn't that easy to dodge if you combined it with the fact that her primary fire kept throwing off your pace by constantly slowing you down.
>>722327145OW devs hate reaper and never wanted him to be fun like he looks in cinematics with his gaeous form like a vampireHe's doomed to be a walking shotgun bot + death blossom supplier forever
>>722327174Yes, so saying he has a high skill floor is saying he is easy.
>>722327228Finally giving him an alt-fire but gating it as a major perk was fucking insulting
Thread is making genji sound more oppressive than the real canceer that was dva when dive comp alone already had lucio and winston lmao
>>722327196If we're talking about Widow vs Mei widow should have never really been in a position for Mei to reach her with M1, and Mei's M2 being a delayed projectile that Im not even sure if it could one shot widow back then, (Checked - couldnt without damage boosts).Meanwhile widow can oneshot mei.If we're talking other dps, Mei's ice beam freezing was more of a noob skill test than anything else, because basically every dps could kill her in that range faster than she could freeze them, but people panicked and just tried to run or mash their escapes because they thought it was a death sentence.The best counter is the same as Moira or old lock on beam sym. Just stop moving, look at her and kill her
>>722327038All of the classes were just rehashed tf2 stuff applied randomly and without any real consist logic to it. Mercy being the most egregious example of cargo cult style game dev, but it also extends to torb being a bad minisentry engie and pharah being a bad soldier to name of a few. of course there are many more instances of this.
>>722327278High skill floor means more difficult to start with.Not easy. Are you confused?>>722318962Said it was a high skill floor>>722325302Laughed at this and gave reasons why Genji was easy
>>722327228I actually like Reaper, but yeah. Holy shit, he has nothing. He doesn't have range, he doesn't have speed, his abilities are easily punishable and his ult can be countered ridiculously easily BECAUSE HE'S NOT INVULNERABLE WHILE PERFORMING IT.I think I managed to get a sextiuple Death Blossom kill once and I swear it's only because the whole enemy team had a brainfart and was unable to count to six.
>>722327450not being able to farm your ultimate makes you terrible to begin with, then combine that with an ultimate that is terrible it's just a double whammy of bad. When they added life steal he became good into dive though
>>722327332What do you expect from a thread filled with bronze players and healsluts
>>722327421What you're thinking of is a low skill floor.Think about what a floor actually is, it's the lowest level of gameplay, saying the floor is high means even a shitter can do well with it.
>>722327360>because basically every dps could kill her in that range faster than she could freeze themI am pretty sure Tracer cannot, because her gun reload takes waaay too long, so she eventually has to back off and recall or blink out. Also, it's Tracer, so she dies to a sneeze.
>>722327332genji really only became cancer when they released ana, as you had two characters who could charge ult quickly with insane synergy. What was the counter outside of zenyatta ult? Your own Ana hitting a lucky sleep?
>>722327228Reaper had exactly one chance to shine during GOATs era cause he does so much damage to large hitboxes, and he couldn't because he'd get cucked by bubbles and glowing shield spam.
>>722327547>saying the floor is high means even a shitter can do well with it.No it doesn't you retard. Why are Genji haters always the biggest retards. High skill floor means you need be extremely good with him just to perform at the average level.
>>722327620>What was the counter outside of zenyatta ult?Reinhardt giga-braining a pre-charge to catch the little faggot on the first dash.
>>722327547Anon... read the posts again. Thats exactly what they were saying.The first guy said Genji had a high skill floor (meaning high barrier to entry) and the reply refuted this saying he was easy to play (Low skill floor, low barrier to entry)
>>722327715I did it once which made enemy genji ragequit.Great feeling.
discussion of pvp games will always reveal just how terrible /v/ is at video games
>>722327620>What was the counter outside of zenyatta ult? Your own Ana hitting a lucky sleep?Zarya bubble or gravEarthshatterWinston ultAna nade + Zen ultD.va ult sometimesHog ultDead Eye (but the require precise timing and distance)Sombra ultOff the top of my head
>>722327547I think you're a bit confused anonLow skill floor means its easy to startHigh skill floor means more difficult to pick up because the skill required to play at the "floor" (entry level) is highSkill ceiling is the inverse. Low skill ceiling means low chance for player expression of skill, a pro vs a newer player will have a similar level of output.High skill ceiling means if you master the complexity theres a lot more output.e.g.>Low skill floor, low skill ceilingEasy to play, but doesn't have much depth to master>High skill floor, high skill ceilingHard to play, lots of room for skill expression making a difference>Low skill floor, high skill ceilingEasy to play, hard to masterThe only one that doesn't make sense is a high skill floor and low skill ceiling. Because how could a character be hard to learn but easy to master
>>722327620Lucio, which was why I brought him up originally since he was my favorite to play. If Ana was shit and required the genji to dash up in the air to get nano you could literally just boop him away and speed + amp away from him. Beat also gave you enough time to survive running away from him
>>722327620I fucken loved saving Grav just for that shit and watching the retard flail his sword helplessly as I burned his healthbar down
>>722327824>Hog ult>Dead Eye>D.va ultYou're retarded.
>>722318889bad playersgenji is extremely easy to counter if you position correctly and avoid shooting his deflecthis damage is extremely low without nanoblade, his projectiles are extremely difficult to aim, he's squishy, his jumps and wallclimbing is predictable, and his base movement speed is lowhow to beat genji?don't let him jump youthat's literally ittracer and sombra are the real demon heroes, since their mobility makes it way more difficult to catch them if they know what they're doing
>>722327739>>722327705>>722327924High skill floor is low barrier to entry, as in the character is easy enough a new player will still perform adequately.Low skill floor is high barrier to entry, as in the the character is difficult so a new player will perform extremely poorly.Use your brains please, this is how it's used in every single game ever.
>>722326648maybe. they tend to only play if their bf plays. and even then they will stay away from a shooter. i think mercy being actual dogshit does help too. like their bf won't even get much help out of them pocketing.
>>722327804Genji players are easily triggered. I once actually sniped one with Mercy's pewpew gun. True story.Fuck me, the guy was malding the whole match.
>>722318889He's one of those characters that either solo carries or turns the game into a 7-5 where he does nothing but feed the whole time. The whole time, they have a god complex no matter how they're performing. Best case scenario, you get some obnoxious asshole that you put up with because he's at least backing himself up, or you get another obnoxious asshole that's selling your shit and blames everyone but himself.
>>722327984fair but Grav is much harder to charge then genji ult and it's probably worth more then both their ults combinedrealistically you should be looking to completely wipe the enemy team with grav
I also think the official floor definition is a bit daft, surely the floor is the lowest ANYONE be, so a high floor would mean even a shitter can do good with it
>>722327545this, really. calling genji OP is actually completely insane. but i have maybe 40 minutes of him and i could wipe the floor with these players on him it sounds like. when these guys face a good tracer i really just don't know what they do. shit their pants and have a heart attack?
>>722327620>genji really only became cancer when they released anaHe was cancer well before ana cause he breaks the golden rule of being fun to play as and being fun to play against, also. His stupid fuckass sword is the only ult in the game when you hear it you know your entire team was about to get wiped.
>>722328086Yes, that's what it means, the floor is the lowest level of gameplay possible, a high floor implies the character basically plays itself regardless of your skill level, a low floor implies that a bad player will be dead weight.
>>722327997>Hog ultPushes Genji away from the team, especially if he already burned his dash CD. Literally just look away for a bit if he deflects>Dead EyeYes, which is why I said it required precise timing and distance. Since you needed to be far away enough so that he couldn't kill you with a dash slash instantly whilst approaching you with deflect>D.va ultYes, throw it out and the Genji will either run away, hide or die to the ult
>>722328132Its one of the few ults that actually chase youMost of the others you can hide behind something and you'll be safe from it, but the Genji shitter gets to spam his teleport thanks to it
>>722328132are you only talking about ow1 during a period where dragonblade was good, or what? this is so puzzling. calling dragonblade good is so fucking weird to me lmao.
>>722323272>>722323615Mercy's jump glitch is balanced by the mere existence of a McCree and/or Widowmaker.
>>722328131playing well on tracer requires a lot of skill thoughgenji had more of a process that allowed anyone to become OP without much actually mechanical skill. >>722328228this entire thread is about OW1, no one actually plays OW2
Remember the times when D.Va could've been killed by her own ult? Those were the times.It took the devs a while to realize how utterly retarded this ult was.
the people in this thread must be who i get as teammates. mercy and geni being good, holy shit. its bizarro world. i bet these guys get owned by fucking moria too.
>>722328013Bro, look at your own fucking pic. Which of those floors would be easier to climb up?
>>722324653kek please tell me this gay faggot image is official
>>722328314You don't climb to the floor, you start at the floor, unless you're going to add a third basement level, you cannot get lower than the floor.
>>722321190>Yun>demanding
>>722328359but can you walk the dinosaur?
>>722328027True, true. Everytime something goes wrong for them they start malding. It's very fun to watch them though.I will take the offer and fuck you, anon (¬‿¬)
>>722328228people actually play OW2?
>>722328131their MMR is too low to play against good tracersthey have no idea what optimized overwatch gameplay looks like/v/ is full of casual gamers who pretend to be hardcore by grinding mildly difficult pve games and bragging about their accomplishments
>>722326287>that hairline
>>722328424You don't want to fuck me.
>>722328490Unironically looks like they shaved the lower temples back for dramatic effect. You can see the stubble.
>>722328013This, high skill floor = a character where you walk in, press R and kill everyone with no aim involved, even if you're incapable of doing anything outside of that, it's so easy that the baseline of performance becomes higher.
>>722326448are women(and trannies) also a problem in NA overwatch?
>>722318889hes the true action game
>>722328539But if I won't fuck you then who will? (~￣▽￣)~>>722328228Why would anyone play OW2?
>>722327547You're legitimately an idiot.
>>722328359You start below the floors, yes. Then you climb up to a floor depending on what character you pick.
genji is unironically very weak
>>722328734>Why would anyone play OW2?better game than 1
>>722328734>But if I won't fuck you then who will? (~￣▽￣)~Not you. Understand, it's not you, it's me.I have standards.
>>722328212His damage breakpoints were specifically designed to oneshot 200hp heroes too. dash through +dragonblade > dash reset, dash though + dragonblade, repeat until everyone is dead. Just a big black hole fun vacuum who made the entire game worse for 11/12 players just by existing.
>>722328770Yet he's in nearly every match
So which character was turned gay this time around?
>>722328854because he's funyou can have good moments with him in every match, but that doesn't mean he's reliably strongwhen counterpicked or lacking support, he's a non-hero, he has zero priority, he can do nothing
>>722328625Yes to the point i quit OW2 because everytime a mercy skin came out, the game would turn into a 4v4
When a Genji player double-jumps, their PoV should actually do a dizzying flip to match what the character model is doing
>>722328941Then why every fucking Genji player thinks they can take on the whole enemy team head on?
>>722318889faggots with MC syndrome thought they could do the plays they saw on clips from pros
>>722328802lollmao even>>722328847Glad to hear that, who would want a whorish random anon like me unless it's the most desperate anon>﹏< I hope you will find someone good enough for you!
>>722328934Last I heard Pharah got turned into a dyke, but not Mercy, so that ship is dead
>>722328424>>722328734the femoid mercy-not even a femoid, a tranny-has arrived it seems
>>722318889He was the coolest and most fun character, so everyone not playing him was jealous.
>>722329031they think their mobility will allow them to dodge the enemies' attacks, but they waste it early and get blown upthe most basic trick to doing well as genji is running up to your enemies, using cover to avoid getting hit, doing damage, and using your mobility and abilities to escapenoob genjis dash in, deflect nothing, waste their double jump, and die while wall climbing awaynoob genjis
>>722329031Because they have too much faith in their team to not be blithering retards who stand around doing nothing while the entire enemy team is looking at him.
>>722329080Ships dont die they sink
>>722329102I am just feeling a little silly anon, I hate them because trannies are disgusting abominations after all (￣︶￣) Also I was more of Lucio/Moira main when I was still playing this game with some occasional Sigma or Junkrat when I felt like playing tank or dps
This thread almost makes me want to replay Overwatch. Almost. I haven't played it for years.But I just know I'll get frustrated in the end.
>>722328625yes, in the entire western world also.
>>722321289Goes to show how needed these heroes were. Not surprising when Blizzard catered to weebs big time by closely keeping Genji on top updates after updates.
>>722329426i literally just played overwatch for 3 hours, turned it off for the night, opened this thread, and felt the urge to go play some moreit's an addicting game, but if it makes you rage, don't touch itit's not worth it
>>722328770no you don't understand. i cannot help but shoot his deflect, so that makes him the most powerful hero in the game!!!!!!!
>>722318889I still hate him now. Deflect is pure bullshit because it basically just turns into a free kill combo against DPS or Supports that you just have to sit there and take or a get out of jail free escape card if he's against tanks. Worse still that it can be cancelled into dash so you can't just wait it out.I ended up maining every beam hero in the game solely because I was sick of facing Genji in every game. Sym used to hard counter him, but then the Genjis and Tracers all cried that they actually got a counter for once, and so they got rid of her autolock and half of her turrets.
>>722329426Overwatch is dead, your only option is OW2, and that game is shit.
>>722329486This, it's just an overall toxic game, self-respect should keep players out from it.
>>722329426Same but i shant be installing itInstead im going to study and read some literature
>>722329528AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!just bronzie things
>>722329483>keeping Genji on top updates after updates.Niggas was dead more than he was alive, especially during GOAT
>>722329528brother sym didn't counter anything or anyone except for occasionally teleporting her team off a cliff, what game are we playing here.
i didn't actually realise that quickplay stadium gave you comp points lol. so now i have a whole new unlock for free. i had no idea i had even gotten to 3k points. nice.
how does overwatch compare to tf2? is it hard to transition(no not that one) from one to another, what classes are similar, how hard is OW ranked compared to TF2 casual(i'm assuming gold would play worse than pubs) etc. is the game even worse and so on
>>722329649NTA, but Sym literally had kill rooms on some maps. I still remember running into the little building on the left at the start of the Egypt control point map and getting fried by Sym's turrets.
>>722320619I like Unga Bunga
>>722329607I noticed that rich people are the ones who complain the most about money, they will vampirize you with long as fuck rants trying to play victim, I imagine it applies to genji mains.
>>722319263I stop playing and never picked the game up after this was removed I didn’t even main him or anything it just felt like a gay and trans change that signaled the end
>>722329516>maybe i can prefire his deflect and damage him as soon as it ends!
>>722320668Playing Overwatch Classic modes really makes you wonder how the fuck the game survived some of these eras. Especially the current one:>6 DPS teams because nobody wants to tank or support>DPS Doomfist juggling everything>Brig stun and able to 1v1 every character>Cassidy's zero skill stun leading to instakills>Sombra hacks lasting forever>Ana sleep darts lasting even longer>Mercy rez is instant, no chance of stopping her>Scatter arrow
>>722329885>Cassidy
>>722329728i played very little tf2 but you are more able to hard carry in tf2 because there are no ultimatesin ow2 everyone has a 'i win' button for a particular encounter that only really gets beaten by other 'i win' buttons so its more about your team dumping all their 'i win' buttons at the same timethat said if you played sniper it applies exactly the same in Overwatch. Sniper in OW has 0 counters (and never, ever has) so the only option you have is picking Sniper on your team and if your sniper is better than their sniper you win. If your sniper is worse than their sniper, you lose
>>722329021lol I never thought of this but it's true, they shouldn't be able to conceal their head while retaining perfect vision
>>722329885my only theory for this is that the casual playerbase was large enough to tolerate these flaws and still enjoy the gamecompetitive players rightfully complained, but the casual junkrat main who just wants free kills by spamming grenades down a chokepoint couldn't care lessthe mercy mains who just wanted to play a game with their soldier 76 e-boyfriends couldn't care lessthe ADHD reinhardt mains who just want to land charges and get funny one shot kills couldn't care lessthe game has enough quirks in its characters to allow casual players to basically gamble for funny momentsgradually the game became more balance, thankfully, but it only survived due to the quickplay goofballs who wanted to see funny shit happen
>>722321575>Hanzo wasn't even that bad.his telephone pole sized hitboxes on his arrows and big head mode sized character models he gets to shoot at say otherwise. And of course the favor the shooter netcode meant 99% of his kills came from shooting people behind walls.
>>722329935so ult is just like uber?
>>722318889Dash resets gave him insane mobility in a game where mercy and Lucio were as mobile as support gets and ana had to actually land sleep darts without a massive hotbox.nl nowadays he can't do shit unless it's a nigga smurfing on genji with his ugly ass girlfriend on mercy to pocket him so he can actually survive against the pseudo DPS that are OW2 supports
>>722329885The concept hadnt really been done before and it got huge viewers on twitch by drip feeding big streamers access to the game before release. Also it had hot girls.
I wanna play OW1 Mystery Heroes so bad bros.
>>722330104right but imagine the entire team can uberand if you dont uber their uber then you losebut theres 6so sometimes its if you dont get 3 ubers because they used 3 ubers and you only used 2 ubers
>>722329885chink sex-sell character design kept the game alive, look it up, the principal character designer was chinese. also it had skin casino gambling mechanics.
>>722318889everyone thought he was half white half nippon but now its revealed his half black half nippon. Rumiko cheated...
>>722330186i suppose its worse because the uber doesn't reset after people get killed
>>722330186but also a single uber can nullify all 6 of their ubers, and flanking the right uber character can force them to use their uber early or die, so they won't have it for the next 6v6 teamfight6 ubers vs 5 ubersit's not as cut and dry as it seemsbut of course, nanoblade can solo stomp a team, some ults are much stronger than others
>>722320563This also applies to Widowmaker, Doomfist, and Wrecking Ball.A good one is miserable to play against. A bad one is miserable to play with.
Man, I remember playing this game on launch and thinking that Zen's discord orb only increased damage taken by 10%, boy was I fucking wrong.
>>722330105This post made me remember that he didn't even need to land finishing blows to get dash resets, he could just randomly get an assist out of nowhere and double dash.
>>722330557I don't think he should have the reset at allNo one else gets a reset from elimsIt really encourages and even rewards him for acting with extreme recklessness and often lets him escape form situations where he really doesn't deserve to
>>722329935you people really have not played since ow1 lmao
>>722329885>Brig stun and able to 1v1 every character This killed the game just in time for big streamers and their playerbase to quit and go to fortnite. GOATS lasted way too long
>>722330675Retard, go play Genji and say that shit.
>>722331374>>722331451I'd rather play rivals than OW2 any day of the week
>>722330675his reset makes him fun to play, and fun to play againsthe'd be horrible without it
>>722328069The thing is the team with ana genji is basically playing around nanoblade wiping the teamNullifying it with a costly ult is still more than worth it, even if you just get nano'd genji. Any more? Then its magical christmas land time but just nano'd dps is more than fineEspecially now ow2 is 5v5
>>722331827>and fun to play againstOk Genji sure whatever you say man
>>722320423It’s the same reason league of legends sucks assPick a Carry and your team throwsDon’t play a carry and you get the shittiest “genjis” known to man
>>722331419I feel Brig has been unfairly overnerfed since then due to PTSD from GOATS, and they are too scared to make her too strong again.Fine, remove her stun on bash, even if it's bullshit that Doomfist still gets to cancel every ult and ability with a light tap of his punch fired in the vague general direction of someone. But at least let Brig's bash rate be quicker during ult so she can get maybe 4 of them off instead of 1, 2 if you time it perfectly. Give her her old shield health back so it isn't made like paper and gets destroyed after two hits. Make her Mirrorwatch "Get over here" flail one of her perks, because it is silly that one of her abilities is to knock her opponent OUT of her small attack range.
>>722330557I havent played DPS in a while but im pretty sure it still works that way. hes the only character who can have an ability work that way because it only does 50 damage.
gay fucking zoomer thread, if you ever played overwatch youre a subhuman
>>722334464Speaking of cancelling ults, sure would be nice if it was actually consistent on wether stunning or hacking shut down an ult or not, I'm constantly getting surprised by which ones get to keep going after recovery
>>722327332>launch d.va>oppressivelol, maybe in the later seasons once she got toggleable DM, but launch d.va was by far the worst tank in the game.
>Every 8 seconds>Make you invincible for 2 seconds>Convert enemies ult and damage to yours.>can aim with it
>>722327924>The only one that doesn't make sense is a high skill floor and low skill ceiling. Because how could a character be hard to learn but easy to masterSnipers usually fall into this. They're hard to pick up because a sniper with bad aim is practically an empty team slot, but once your aim's good that's all there usually is to them.
>>722334686Mei's ult is the wost in the game for this. It works on like 3.5 characters>D.VaEats ult or just flies away>DoomfistEither punches to cancel it, or jumps away if he misses the window.>HazardJust jumps away>JQYells and dashes away>MaugaRuns away>OrisaActivates one of her 50 "immune to status effect" abilities and ignores it, assuming she hasn't already thrown a javelin across the map to interrupt it>RamGets frozen>ReinCharges away>RoadhogHooks Mei to cancel it>SigmaThrows a rock to cancel it or blackholes it>WinstonJumps away>Wrecking BallZiplines away>ZaryaBubbles herself, and then bubbles a frozen teammate for good measure>AsheJumps away>BastionGets frozen>CassidyCancels it with pocket sand, or rolls away>EchoFlies away>FrejaJumps away three times>GenjiZips away, assuming he hasn't just deflected it to reverse it>HanzoJumps away>JunkratJumps away>MeiFreezes self to stay safe, puts up a wall to protect anyone frozen>PharahFlies away>ReaperGhosts away>SojournSlides away>S76Runs away whilst slapping down healing for an ally>SombraJumps away>SymTeleports herself and the team away, throws up a shield to protect everyone who is frozen>TorbGets frozen>TracerDashes away, or reverses time to escape>WidowmakerShe won't even be stood in range anyway, but even if she was, she's ziplined away>AnaSleeps Mei before it activates>BapJumps away, throws down protective dome over teammates>BrigShield charges away just in time>IllariLeaps away>JunoZooms away, throwing down a speedring for everyone else to run too>KirikoTeleports in from spawn and unfreezes everyone>LifeweaverJumps away, pulls someone else away with him, puts a flower under anyone else he leaves behind>LucioJust skates away at top speed, giving everyone else a speedboost to help escape>MercyFlies away to a teammate stood outside the circle>MoiraFades away>WuyangSurfs away>ZenGets froz- nevermind, he has his ult ready
is hanzo hard
>>722336113No, you just pump logs down chokes and let lady luck hand you headshot kills
>>722336107Its one of those ults where theoretically you could get multiple people with it but in reality you just focus on waiting for one enemy of significance to be vulnerable to it and toss it to get them (and then they get pissy at you in chat for solo ulting them)
i just found out huntsman in tf2 came AFTER hanzo
>>722336107Forgot Venture, who also can just drill through the air to escape or dig underground to ignore it.
>>722335030some very intense staring competitions with genji were had.
because he has a shitty play style where he does nothing at all until he gets his ultimate and then 1v6s the entire enemy teamit's retarded
>>722336457I don't understand complaining about solo ults at all.The goal is to get a sure elimination with your ult at least, which in a high level, even match will tip the scales. The more the merrier.But it's stupid holding onto an ult hoping to get a teamkill or something. Waste of time in which you could have worked towards another ult, and as always you'll never be sure to land a multikill.Complaining about solo ults is silver mentality.
>>722336825Yeah.It takes you only one shot from you and your team mates or a good reaction from him to put you in a disadvantage, since he can cancel it manually.
>>722326381>loved grappling them as roadhog and one-shotting them before they nerfed him for literally no reasonSame bro, I miss my pigga like you wouldn't believe
>>722337352the stigma around solo ulting has largely faded away with ow2. in 5v5 deleting their tank will fuck over the enemy team. and now people are starting the realize they can also do that to the enemy teams most effective players as well.
>>722327924>The only one that doesn't make sense is a high skill floor and low skill ceiling.It makes sense when you use the actual meaning of these terms which is the opposite of what you're saying.>High floorEasy to perform with, a poor performer will do better than they would on a character with a low skill floor.>Low ceilingOften a consequence of the former, ease of use tends to inhibit the potential of the character due to lack of skill required to use them in the first place.A character like this would be something with automatically aimed abilities and high impact skills with high cooldowns, making it so that anyone who picks it up can press the buttons, contribute all that the character is ever going to contribute, then do nothing until those skills are back up again, a better player would not be able to get much more out of it than a noob, this is actually a pretty common archetype in games.The one that actually doesn't make sense and would be bad design is low floor low ceiling, because it means the character is hard to play/learn but has no payoff for doing so.People get tripped up on these terms because they take the "skill" part too literally, what it's really measuring is how effective the character is at high skill and low skill, not just the required skill level to play them.I don't play overwatch so they probably just made up their own bullshit, every other community I've been in has used it the way I describe.
>>722338321He is back bro since the last update.
>>722319263people bitch about rivals being unbalanced but this shit was in OW for half of its lifespan
>>722327547lmaoo
>actual overwatch thread on /v/wtf
>friends play OW2 daily but refuse to touch marvel rivals
>>722319125Kek, enjoy yours for announcing.
>>722335030>invincibleRetard
>>722340484Genji deflect hitbox
>>722340776aoe beam weapons
>>722340776I don't care what weeb logic people have about 100x folded blades, Rein's hammer that is larger than Genji's entire body should 100% be able to smash right through this.
>>722341785You mean 3 heroes out of 44 with no mobility ?
>>722321575His alt was never the issue. It was the scattershot that sometimes randomedly oneshot even tanks if they were in the same room he shot it in. It was both too strong and inconsistant. Just a shit design
>>722318889Deflect's hitbox being as big as a fucking bus on top of the best mobility in the game made him a nuisance to deal with and he had one of the most braindead ults on top of it. Imagine if scout could reflect rockets and bullets at the press of a button and that's essentially what genji was. His only downside was getting raped by big monkey cock but he was cancer for everyone else.
>>722341785>3
>>722318889MADA MADA
I miss playing mccree. When you're in the zone and hitting all your shots it felt so good. I dropped the game in Y1 when it became obvious Blizzard had no idea how to balance their game much less make it fun to play.
>>722326381Landing hooks on a crackhead genji and tracer was better than sex.
>>722321190>yun etcyou thought you could just sneak that one by me nigga?
