This is your Expanse wife, her name is Regina
>>722328076If I can't physically bully scrawny lanklet belter shits, then no buy
This looks like an AI generated picture.
>>722328076She looks like a man
>you play a Pinkwater Security mercenaryI already feel the reddit growing
Regina? more like VAGINA
Eyes don't look like she just got done crying enough,NEXT GIRL!
>>722328229You're mindbroken by AI huh?
>>722328076All I expect from them is more flavors of cuckoldry with one lone love interest that's fine but still written by a mentally unwell Russian woman. That's quite enough of that.
>>722328350>flavors of cuckoldryIt's the opposite there's always just one cuckold option per game, and I mean actual cuckoldry not your >she fucked someone once before me? I'm literally getting KEKEDdefinition of it
>cuc cuc troon!lol, mindbroken
>>722328270The dick is the best part.
Did we get any new info?
>>722328773Extremely important info.
>>722328474Space elf friendzone is even worse.>one option per gameFuck 'em, needs to be zero.>she fucked someone once before me? I'm literally getting KEKEDFrankly, I'm sick of it in fantasy slop, so this better go away, too.
>>722328076>your Expanse wife>superior ginger already on the cover
Regina?
>Owlcat finally making something that isn't isometric>It's sci-slopI'm so disappointed
A lil awkward when the company who hardly managed to add 20 occasion of race/class reactivity in their flagship games insists how much difference earth/martian/asteroid-born will make.
>>722328076More like VAgina, am I right guys?
They got Regina from mean girls?
>>722329579Well, considering that WOTR managed to have like (3ish) mythic paths with decent reactivity and a handful with mediocre and 2 with shit reactivity I'm at least somewhat willing to believe if they condense their shit down to just 3 it will be better overall
>>722328343The entire world is mindbroken by AI.
And knowing owlcat she was a town bicycle.
Oh look the Agri-planet obsessed is already present
>>722328229If anything that looks like the style of whoever did icewind dale portraits to me.Which is a good thing, I plastered those on tons of custom npcs over the years
>>722329579Difference is that now there are only three races
>>722328076I'd impregnate her.
>>722328076What happens if you read her name in reverse?
>>722328076Phalange?
>>722330483Feels like someone fed the AI icewind dale portraits and this is the result.
>>722330721A...nigger? NO MODS PLEASE NO *ACK*
>>722331296>b-but AIas if I'd care, lol
>>722331342I care.
>>722329018whom?
>>722330721
>>722328076I'll get in Regina's vagina.
>>722328076Thanks. She's very cute
>>722331906She's more sexy than cute
>>722331683Hell if I know, the marketing pic has only faces not names. I just hope she isn't acting as the new Yrliet Also why seem all the pics I can find of it sized for ants?
>>722332604Literally one of the first results on google
I love WOTR, I love Rogue Trader, Owlcat are huffing their own supply, Owlcat UE5 game, wait a year, and it might be playable. I hope they prove me wrong.
>>722328076Thank you
>>722332724maybe I had the site blacklisted or some shit, who knows. Thanks for the improvement anyway
>>722328076no, I want the redhead
>>722332726They won't, the game is going to be a buggy mess and this time they'll have to deal with a normalfag audience instead of the CRPGfags that are used to it
>>722329901>>722332726>Owlcataw fucknow I'm no longer interesteddid they ever make an interesting female character? I didn't touch WotR
>>722333421If you weren't interested in the twins or Cassia then you might be a homosexual, sorry
>>722333421Interesting and usefulLoyal or sane however...
>>722333421Wenduag
>>722329901Kek
>>722333421I like, Camilla, Wenduag, Arueshalae, Ember, Nenio, Kibellah, Cassia, Jae, Yrilet and Idira. I dipped from Kingmaker because it was insanely buggy and didn't see the point with WOTR on the horizon. Argenta and Seelah aren't bad, they're just basic IMO.
>>722333563Even if I were to ignore how shit she is, there is nothing interesting about Viconia clone number 37
>>722333617Stick to the kpop-bait then
>>722333421Shadow of the road bros.....
>>722328076like regina george? based
>>722333421>>OwlcatYepExpect her to either a whore, a cannibal, or for her to cuck you (or maybe all of them at the same time)
>2025 >You got to wait to see who writes which char, and compare it to the crimes done against fans in the former games before you can feel safe to pick a waifuShit like this is why I avoid western games where possible.
>>722328076Is Jared Harris voicing anyone? If not why bother?
>>722334217>muh writer obsessionNever forget that the midget that /v/ worships shares writer with Seelah and the azata path
>>722334317He tried to make my nigga evil and unlikable but accidentally made him always right and based as fuck. Tale as old as time with faggot writers
>>722332724not a fan of the hairstyle, or the markings. i'll have to stick with quintessential pretty blonde woman. @ least as far as appearances are concerned. personality >>> beauty. if she's a genki tomboy type she would make my penis most erect.
>>7223338933 october
>>722334467The opposite, his writer clearly wanted him to be t his super cool badass dude that's always right and the game tries its damn hardest to never point the flaws in his logic, always focusing on morality just so Regill can go>gigachadyes.jpg
>>722334317I'd give a pass for azata, it felt like everyone in the building puked his personal disney rainbow into that part of the story during some office party to write that one.It was at least amusing in a highschool LSD-trip kind of way.
Please don't make her the town bicycle owlcat. Please don't make her go on about the other men she was with in her romance... please..
>>722334860......:(
>>722330483>If anything that looks like the style of whoever did icewind dale portraitsno it doesn't wtf, those have a distinct rendering to them
>>722329116Based
>>722328229it looks like a trace of shirogane's face
>Ass effect 6.0 combat with more drones and shoulder cannonsEh could be worse I guess. Hope they do not repeat their old mistakes and design nearly every fighting area so damn flat. But the trailer at least looks like they know about that pitfall
>>722328350Well polyamory is canon and morally accepted in the Expanse.
>>722328270Where do you live where men look like this?
>>722336996Time to find the "deviant" girl that hates that idea then.
>>722336996polyamory is fine, its open relationships that are cringe
>>722336996inb4 only one of the girls is down for it so your only choice of "poly" is having her fuck another dude
>>722337450>polyamory is fineNo it's not
>>722337507that's just what you think
>>722337475BG3 moment
>>722332724>>722332604>generic scifi artstyle
>>722337793>needs more snowflake!thanks for the input
>>722328076Very nice.>>722328350Hopefully she is this game's Camellia. Best girl!
>>722332579For me it's the same thing
>>722338112>this game's CamelliaAs he said, cuckoldry yes, personally I hope not
>>722338220Which is why I replied to you. Hopefully Owlcat will increase the cuckoldry 1000x, just for you.
>>722337203
Am I the only one of the opinion that this show went to absolute shit right after they introduced the infinite portals to all the different worlds? I don't remember what season that was, but that's when I stopped watching. I don't like when shows or games do that. It's like the devs/writers just want a blank check to make up whatever bullshit they want and have the lore explain it away.
>>722338438That is a show?
>>722329579I would hope they would succeed, because of there being fewer permutations. But yeah, Owlcat isn't great with reactivity. They tend to write power fantasy with these epic stories, and then later realize they have to railroad the player through those stories. I don't mind it, but it makes for a more visual novel type game, instead of a proper rpg.
>>722329579>>722329712>>722338701isn't RT pretty shit when it comes to reactivity
>>722333421Camellia was the best! Unironically one of the best vidya romance interests, if only because she was at least interesting, not just masturbatory uwu bait with a linear progression till sex scene.
>>722338438I believe in you
>>722338735dunno I didnt play it
>>722338735Yes? Like I said, Owlcat is shit with reactivity.
>>722338812Yeah, she's just masturbatory psychotic bait with multiple sex scenes (like many romances have done before)
>>722338735Not just RT, they are pretty bad at that overallMade it a stretch goal in their last kickstarter as I recall, which just shows how extraneous they think that shit
>>722336008This. It may not be an outright trace, but her face was surely used as reference.
>>722338735Not really. It's not on the same level as BG3 but nothing else is.
>>722338438you might be a pleb or didn't realize the franchise wasn't for you
>>722336008>shiroganewho?
>>722338925yeah, just people saying that WOTR had all these mythic paths but RT regressed to just having one path and 3 moral alignments, and one of those being completely retarded in its writing from what ive heard
>>722328076FALSEDrummer is my wife
>>722339097>I need my hecking alignments!>the game NEEDS to classify my morality!
>>722339097>people saying>what I've heardhaven't played the game. worthless opinion.
>>722338438I don't think it went to shit after that but i did start losing interest
>>722339142yes, your surroundings should react to you and your decision should have more consequence than which lootbag you get. How demanding, right?
>>722339097WotR has multiple mythic paths, but that doesn't make it any better in reactivity. In fact, it makes it far worse in some ways, as there's a massive narrative dissonance in act 5, when they needed to account for both a demon and a angel. Hell, the DLC visit to the city changes some fireworks, depending on your mythic path. That's your reactivity. Like I said, Owlcat writes power fantasy with epic stories, but fails at accounting for these stories and has to resort to railroading the player.
>>722339349And you can have that without needing mythic alignment conviction charts
>>722338438They are finite.
>>722339184i mean it seems like you can go full heretic and half your imperium loving party doesn't give a shit. feel free to prove me wrong tho
>>722339142Alignments, as set up by a game due to your actions, function as a simple way of differentiating between players and as a "tag" for reactivity. It's clearly the intention for it in Expanse, not some D&D stuff.
Dollar tree Ciri.
>>722328076Imagine her cuckolding youJesus
>>722339412No you technically can't, you could just have it without the game showing the score to you instead. Which makes it a you problem, as nobody forces you to check.
>>722339418Yup. I did a heretic playthrough and it was ridiculous.
>>722339560It's an Owlcat game, you won't have to imagine it
>>722339560
>>722339369i feel like owlcat views rpg systems as a means to an end, rather as a design language for a simulation experience. they don't include things like thievery because its not that important to them, whereas other rpg developers try and cultivate a sandbox. still disappointing that they decided to go down the action rpg route even if the gameplay in their crpgs wasn't perfect
>>722339560Hot. Knowing Owlcat, thanks to the increased budget, we'll get a cinematic of her cucking (you).
>>7223394184 companions leave on a heretic route, the one's that stay are: Abelard who's chosen the dynasty over the Imperium, Cassia who is naive, and you can manipulate into being completely reliant on you, Idira, the unsanctioned psyker, Jae, the heretic smuggler (yes cold trade is heresy.) Marazhai, the Dark Eldar, Solomorne if you make him go khorne worshipper (I haven't done heretic run with Solomorne yet, so could be wrong.) And Kiibellah, who you can make got heretic. (Her heretic romance is pretty good.)Maybe Jae should leave on heretic route, all the others make sense.
>>722339673they are still making crpgs.
Pretty sure none of the characters cuck you at any point.
>>722339730yes but they are clearly lower priority. look at osiris compared to dark heresy. its obvious where the budget went.look at what bioware did. they kept making crpgs for awhile, to please their old audience. but once the money came rolling in, who really cared about them at the end of the day? everything was transformed into the more profitable gameplay style, old fans be damned.
>>722333421Cassia and Kibellah are great.
>>722339673I actually think Owlcat's way of designing rpgs will function quite well with an action rpg. I get that they've cultivated a fanbase out of starved D&D 3.5e refugees, and I like the character building aspect of their games, but Owlcat is the perfect game dev to replace Bioware for this niche. The player not having the option to do unorthodox stuff, or kill a npc, won't matter here, as it never mattered in their previous games. Owlcat gets to design their stories and I think that cinematics will suit them.
>>722339992I thought the Greedfall devs would be the Bioware replacement but ig they didn't have enough money
>>722339992They are already filling the old black isle/ bioware niche.Pathfinder is one of the best love letters to the old infinity engine games ever.The expanse is them moving into the xbox era that bioware had.
>>722339792Leave the farmcuck to his sole joy in life, and ignore him. For some reason he needs to be the dogturd under every owlcat thread's sole.
>>722339992The thing is that Owlcat stories aren't very good. Even detached from the adventure module excuse they're just kinda generic and their character writing often feels 'off' because they are all Russians who can't speak English.
>>722340232No vidya has good writing these days, or really, for a long time now. What Owlcat excels at writing is power fantasy. There's a large market for that, not just in CRPGs, but in general vidya playerbase. Just take a look at what people praise about WotR, for example. It's always about bigger number better, this thing is cooler than X game, you get to become a demon, swarm, etc. When people compare Owlcat games to shit like BG3 (which als has shit writing, just of a different type), they always praise the power fantasy aspects of WotR. It's never about quality, for a good reason.
If it had what certain snotnosed califags deem 'good writing' I would not touch the games at all
>>722340120Never tried that game. I'm personally not the biggest fan of action games or even Mass Effect games.>>722340168The money is better catering to a larger audience. Owlcat makes excellent isometric CRPGs, but it is not the RPG quality of them that is excellent, nor are they particularly innovative. I also suspect that Owlcat has recognized that they can't compete with Larian in player freedom. Larian, or more accurately Swen, defines an RPG by player freedom to take action, any action, and see the consequences of it. It's why Larian has allowed players to kill every npc in their games since 2015, as well as liberally interact with the environment. This is a markedly different approach to Owlcat's, which is far more traditional.Owlcat more succesfully crafts power fantasy stories, that are grand and epic, partly because they don't bother with player freedom. This more "railroaded" style of rpg will allow them to make cinematic RPGs at far lower cost (because they don't need to bother with trillion permutations of player killed X or did something unexpected), with also more elaborate stories. This is why Owlcat is expanding to make an action game now.
>>722341004Califags think that modern bioware has good writing.
>>722328076Hope they fix the voice acting from the last trailer. That's not how people in the world of The Expanse talk. It's not anime
>>722341340I would really like to compare the exact manpower hours each of those approaches to an RPG took.
>>722328859>blondiei like their lingo. game should be good.
>>722341340I don't agree with you.
>>722328076Seems like a mass-effect at home kinda setting. How bad is it?
>>722341548Well you can see it. BG3 took an ungodly amount of funding, 6 years of development, during which Owlcat released 2 games, and expanding to be a company of 400 people, with a dedicated cinematics team. Sure, part of that is due to the cinematics alone, but it was also a massive amount of work in Original Sin 1 and 2.>>722341653About what? Lol.
>>722328076It looks like AI slop.
>>722340671BG3's moment to moment character writing is pretty good, I thought. Conversations feel meaningful and have depth to them while still conforming to the nature of the medium. Its failings are in macro writing, which is admittedly pretty bad (as you were likely alluding to).
Is this guy just replying to himself?
>>722341340>nor are they particularly innovative.this is the truth. a surprising amount of people have not realized this, but, outside of gimmick modes, the non combat gameplay of the pathfinder games is near identical to BG1 and BG2. those games are 20 years apart, but they did not bother to update exploration or puzzle gameplay. fine enough, its a throwback, but in hindsight its obvious why and how they'd lose the rpg war to larian
>>722341919Yeah, I agree. It's the narrative that fails, and due to that, there's no strong themes. The narrative failing is likely due to the iterative approach, forcing cuts at the last second.
>>722328076is that the last white woman left in space?
>>722332724Who's the asian lesbian?
Ah I follow now. The combat is ass, the writing is ass, the design is ass. Everything just fucking sucks about owlcat games.I assume they just got popular as a joke.
>>722328076Can I have sex in this game?
>>722342103BG3 pretty blatantly went through rewrites between the beta and release because people 'figured out' the daisy """"twist""""
>ship named israel>the crew is trying to remove unwanted people from the promised landvery subtle
>>722342103The iterative approach, and also, I think the mindflayer plot was too convoluted form the beginning. The narrative fails to make good use of the mindflayer theming, and it just falls flat really. It was a step down from DOS2's narrative, which already had quite a few fumbles. Though on the micro level, it was fun seeing character arcs that started in Act 1 conclude in Act 3, for more than just the party. That aspect was improved from DOS2.>>722342296It was a bad twist from the beginning. I know it was EA, but the Daisy scenes were nonsensical, obscure, and absurdly untrustworthy. You just can't write this kind of psychic disturbance story with the narrative framework of a standard fantasy adventure novel.
>>722342296The more insane rewrite was changing all the narration from 1st person to 2nd person.it doesn't sound like much but that's every single non-dialogue line changed.
>made in the ideal timeframe to capture more orphaned ex-biodronesOwlcat's account will like the consequences of this, but I doubt I will
>>722332724weirdly tolerable cast for a current year game.
>>722342950Stay weary, their writers have shown a certain sadism in those regards before.
>>722337793The expanse is basically “generic near future hard sci-fi” as a setting and then they drop alien shit into it. It’s supposed to just look like an extension of modern stuff.
>>722343341no they haven't
>>722343391As you say Battlesister Yrliet
>>722343391>what is Valerie
>>722342109yeah, the goal of the game is to repopulate space with aryan children
>>722342253Almost assuredly given Owlcat’s history. But the girls will all have something freaky and potentially offputting about them.
>>722345458>But the girls will all have something freaky about themYou say it like it's a bad thing. Truly, you people do not deserve Owlcat's braintrust of psychos
>>722340671Are you a moron? you play RPGs for the narrative? thats mega retarded.Why don't you read some books instead? or watch a TV-Show? i heard Breaking Bad has good narrative, go watch that.Good Writing in RPGs = ReactiveThats all.Gameplay is king if your game is not fun to play then take it and shove it up your ass
>>722346462I don't deserve shit, no
>>722337157on a space ship
>>722339560she wold her virginity for 20kyou could have been the one
>>722328076She looks hot but we know thats not going to be the in-game version, Owlcat shits out good portraits but the version in-game looks like a hag.
I have zero hopes for this shit.
>>722346643What?>you play RPGs for the narrative? thats mega retarded.Where did you get that?>Good Writing in RPGs = ReactiveNo. Game being reactive is it acknowledging player choices. You can react badly to player choices. Reaction alone doesn't make good writing, nor even does having well-written reactions.Good writing is more than that. It's well written dialogue, with a good story and interesting themes. Planescape: Torment is still the gold standard of well-written RPGs. It also incorporated stat checks and interesting dialogue choices, especially with the truth/lying mechanic dictating a part of your alignment.
>>722328076>RPG developer suddenly makes a sci-fi shooterWhat could possibly go wrong?
>>722345458>POTENTIALLY offputting>POTENTIALLY
>>722342950the game isnt even out yet
>>722332724>le genius nigger woman scientistfatigue
Are there any RPGs where companions acknowledge each other's presence and not just orbit around the main character?
>>722347508BG2 surprisingly enough. My favorite part of that game was how often companions would interject with each other in conversations
>>722347508Dragon Age Origins?
>>722347508Dragon Age Origins have your companions talk to each otherEspecially the banter between Morrigan and Alistair
>This game contains scenes and texts some people may find disturbing. They are not graphically detailed and most of them occur episodically. However, we consider it our duty to inform our players about them. You may see depictions of blood, slavery in this game. It also contains textual descriptions and mentions of abuse, child abuse, sexual abuse, sexual assault, self-harm, suicide, and miscarriage. Player discretion is advised.Finally some mature writing. Which of the women has had a miscarriage do you think?
>>722347508Literally all of them
>>722328302The most underrated comment ever (incl picrel)
>>722347079>Planescape: TormentI think you are a pseud anon.Can you explain how Planescape Torment is a good Roleplaying game? what can you roleplay in Planescape?Why is the writing good? show me an example of its good writing. How many game altering choices can you make? post examplesAnd the big question remains, why should i invest my time to in gaming to play for "The Narrative" when i can find tons of better alternatives in many other mediums? Seems retarded don't you think so?How is playing Planescape Torment? how is the combat, the rpg mechanics, building classes and team comps, the dungeons, exploration, how is its presentation? you know things that make a video game, a video game. Or you just ignore that to fit your retarded narrow minded argument?
>>722347106Do you think we'll all be around in 20 years, after Owlcat gets bought and becomes a corporate embarrassment on its way to being shutdown making one last pathetic attempt to recapture it's past glory making the expanse 6, paying 250 neo-yuans for the 20 years anniversary remake of Rogue Trader ?
>>722328076It's like they only made her to be as attractive as possible
>>722347787>This game has pseudo-intellectual bait and asking try hard philosophical questions what can change the nature of a transgender?Wow so deep. Good Writing™
Ultimately, blue-eyed blonde woman will forever remain the most beautiful creatures on Earth.
wheres the porn of this fine whore
>>722345458just like irl girls then
>>722348246True, but you guys gotta stop advertising them like that, because other ethnic groups believe it and then they come and steal your girls, dumbass
>>722328076What are the chances that they make the OPA the victims in it? What are the chances that the OPA is going to do a lot of horrible shit but handwave it away because they are being oppressed? KILL BELTERS.
>>722347924You seem to be retarded. You are simplifying RPGs to a single element. You literally responded to my comment, where I praised Owlcat's games for being good CRPGs, despite having shitty writing.You roleplay the Nameless One. Who or what kind of person your Nameless One will differ between players, like any other RPG. Your Gorion's Ward was still Gorion's Ward, despite differing from mine in roleplaying. Same with Shard-bearer, etc.>Why is the writing good? show me an example of its good writing. Deionarra sensory stone, FoR, Trias, pillar on bhaalor, etc.>How many game altering choices can you make? post examplesTrias, rat people, whatever. P:T allows you to kill NPCs, unlike many other "RPGs".Combat is functionally same as BG1 and 2. Maybe play the game, instead of being a retard and complaining about things which you do not understand?
>>722347689https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK0hKLJS_yIThis sounds like teenager banter lmao, anyone older than 21 thinking this is good is an absolute uncultured swine.
>>722348246Sophie Rain is the most valued whore on Earth. She's some weird asian/spic mystery meat.
>>722348124That post is mocking Rogue Trader's GoG page. What caused you to think about Planescape, lmao?
>>722328279https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag_Ft-zf7fY
>>722348629>20 IQ anon: Skyrim has good writing>198 IQ anon: Why is the writing good in skyrim? post examples>20 IQ anon: Uhmmmm Alduin sir, uhmmm Ulfric Stormcloack sir ha
>>722348716How do adults banter?
>>722349034Leave your room and find out.
>>722328279PinkertonBlackwaterPinkwateryou're a fucking retard
>>722349024I'm not going to waste my time, load up my old save, and copy the dialogue or text here. I gave you names and scenes. Look them up on youtube or google, or are you too retarded to use for that? Calling yourself high iq doesn't make it true, it likely indicates the opposite.
>>722349215Nice banter dude.
>>722349034They scream shit and fuck over and over again
>>722349238The books aren't that deep. The reason why norms got into it was because it was a "Realist" space combat, and it was a "Dark" and "Gritty" and "realistic" sci-fi story.
>>722349246If your argument was strong, you wouldn't hide behind buzzwords.When someone asks me why is this game good i can immediately improvise a post to explain why and i can give actual examples.But pseuds will cower when asked to explain why they like the games they pretend to like and what makes them good, its because they have no strong argument.
>>722348716>Alistair is 19/20>Morrigan is older but socially stunted from being raised in isolation
>>722347508Yes lots. BG2 is particularly good about this. See https://sorcerers.net/Games/BG2/bg2_npc_banters.phpPlus little stuff like Keldorn being the only person who can safely talk Misc down from a Berserker Rage. There are also irreconcilable conflicts between party members that lead to fights to the death and even a love triangle you can get tied up in. And Korgan giving everyone shit is just fun. https://youtu.be/XwG9sRaXfD8Bg3 also does this but to a lesser extent. Dragon Age Origins, DA Inquisition, and Pillars of Eternity 1/2 all have interparty banter too. Most narrative focused party based RPGs include it to some extent because it’s part of the formula BioWare established. Generally the more action oriented the game is and the less importance the game places on party members the less there is. On the JRPG side Tales has always put a huge emphasis on character skits and little inter party moments that aren’t necessarily about you. And the Trails series probably does the best job of using sheer volume of writing to give party members and NPCs in general their own lives independent of the player.
>>722348716>What can change the nature of teenage banter?Checkmate Owlcat fans, now play a REAL rpg like Planescape Turdment
>>722349449I said Planescape had good writing, I then gave you specific scenes as examples of good writing. You've done nothing but sperg out, with claims like these: "you play RPGs for the narrative?", when I merely said Owlcat didn't have good writing.It's ok to be retarded, but at least admit it to yourself.
>>722338438It's still watchable until naomis family gets involved. Belter fucking shits
milly all-cock?
>>722328076>2020s AshleyDropped
>>722338438I hated it it as soon as it shifted to Amazon and it became this retarded refugee crisis allegory complete with a Hitler villain you're supposed to hate but is actually just likeable.
>>722349702>>722348124Something tells me this guy has it out for PST
>>722338438But enough about Stargate.
>>722349885Regina is way more attractive
>>722349952Its a shitty overrated RPG that pseuds pretend to like because it has Good Writing™Now ask them why the writing is good and watch them fold
>>722349952It's just some Russian autist. He even thought Rogue Trader's GoG page had something to do with planescape, for some reason. Doesn't seem healthy.
Make a Star Trek rpg already for fucks sake
>>722348842>That post is mocking Rogue Trader's GoG page.That was from this game's steam page though
>>722350095You've been given exact scenes. Get your meds.
>>722350184Star trek has always been for fags
>>72235016766Million post claiming Planescape has Good Writing™ >Ask them why? show the good writing for once, just oncehmmmmm, uhmmmmWhat can change the nature of a man?
>>722350184the best we're getting is the voyager janeway ship management simulator
>>722350285Oh, right. It's almost word for word the same, but they obviously have a format that they just edit for this. My bad.
>>722350287Why should i watch your "scenes" (aka dialogue box simulator) instead of reading The Count of Monte Cristo?And why do you need me to see your scenes when you can explain why the writing is good? YOU made the claim that its the Gold-standard for Good Writing™ so its on YOU to show that.
>>722350347What do you want exactly? Do you think posting a paragraph from the greatest literature would be enough to prove it's great?
>>722350184
>>722328076>Reginadoes that mean I have to name my character Bob?
>>722328859Will she be the most popular by appearance alone?
>>722350050The point is she'll be the bland, white girl.
>>722350573Yes
>>722350730>being white is blandRajesh, I'm not romancing Jae, sorry
>>722349575Tales skits are really good at party dynamics and character building, I'm surprised it wasn't copied more. BG3 has some banter as you said but its mostly between only 2 characters.
>>722350805You will romance the cute black girl and you will like it.
>>722350805>whiteknighting a jpg from an unreleased gameAh, a gacha connoisseur.
>>722350886Yes because the black girl here is actually attractive, so if Regina is a cunt or a whore or something then she's my second option
>>722332604What is with these pompous, long names for Scifi games. You got Naughty Dog with the "Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet" and now this?
>>722351093The expanse is merely the name of the setting, philistine.
>>722351093They should've called it The Expanse: The Video Game.
>>722350936I'd take her for a spin alright
>>722351093“The Expanse” is an existing media property with books, a TV series and other games already. “Osiris Reborn” is the title for this particular game.
>>722350886Luckily owlcats wokie tokens usually don't give the option
I'm going to expanse her rengina, if you know what i mean.
>>722351093Intergalactic is the franchise title. Assuming it won't flop, of course.
I know nothing about the Expansehow woke is the setting?
>>722351093And fantasy games don't have that problem? "Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous"?
>>722351640Do you consider organized labor woke?
>>722351640>I know nothing about the ExpanseWelcome to the club, but the trailer doesn't seem enticing in that regard.
>>722351640Very woke. Melting pots, lesbians, gays, the Indians are in charge of Earth. It's apocalyptic.
>>722348629>I praised Owlcat's games for being good CRPGslol nothing screams a good crpg like endless trash mob encounter design and barebones game mechanics.
>>722328076>Sci-Fi game>Only explore the Solar System
>>722352284Anything with aliens in it cannot be considered serious sci-fi.
>>722332604>ginger girl for the redditors>smart black girl for the woke crowd>kpop boy for women>generic white guy and blonde white girl for the white guys>brown guy for the jeetsGotta give them credit they've done well at covering all their bases
>>722352436Did that ship turn really look like 'serious sci-fi' to you?
>>722348086>Remember when Owlcat was good? [Cropped porn picture of a romance option]>It was never good!>We didn't know how good we had it....>Broopers have no idea how it felt to boot up your pathfinder back in the 2020s, they only play chopped games now!>Those were REAL games, not this soulless cashgrabs!>If Rogue Trader came out today everyone in this thread would hate it!
>>722332724>>722332604>Handsome white man>Handsome Asian man>Handsome tolerable brown man>Lovely white blonde>Cute redhead>The "good" kind of black womanWhat? Bwuh? What's going on here? How did this get made?
>>722352574>>generic white guy for the white guysu r gay
>>722348716You are gay, retarded, and have no taste in games or companions
>>722352574Forgot to mention the blonde girl will definitely be implied bisexual so there is a fuck ton of yuri fanart around her.
>>722352728White guys like playing as white guys based retard
>>722352696>OwlcatRussians in Cyprus for money reasons.
>>722329863*The entire third world
>>722352805Watch her be straight, alongside the white guy next to her
>>722339560>>722339681>t.
>>722352805Probably. Gotta credit owlcat though, they are the one dve who dared to not automatically make every LI playersexual in the last decades
>>722352696the woke era ended this year2015-2025 was a decade of shit, but it's finally over
>>722353132>who dared to not automatically make every LI playersexual in the last decadesConsidering the quality of their straight only options, that isn't as brave as you think it is
>>722353413Cassia wins, you lose.
>>722353413Cassia is excellent. Do not slander her.
>>722353652That's the thing anon... she's the only good one....
>>722328270Anime and pornography has melted your brain.
>>722353772Also her rejection of yurifags is so cute they probably still can't help loving her anyway
>>722354012You can literally feel her awkwardness, all the women (trannies) that don't get it are unironically more dense than an harem protagonist
>>722328350>>722328474Literally no Owlcat romance ever cucks the player. Not once in any of their games.You fuckers are mentally ill. >she fucked someone once before me? I'm literally getting KEKEDThat is exactly what you mentally diseased retards consider to be cuckoldry in the games. >Octavia fucked Regongar despite the relationship being poly and a deliberate choice made by the player?? cucked!!!>Arushalae fucked thousands before you because she is a literal succubus?? cucked!!!!>Camillia fucks somebody before you start a romance with her?? cucked!!!>Valerie fucks some farmer in the end slide even though that only happens if you DONT romance her!!! cucked!!!!>Irliet doesnt fuck you in her romance!!! cucked!!!100% mental illness.
>>722354807>>Octavia fucked Regongar despite the relationship being poly and a deliberate choice made by the player?? cucked!!!Yes, willing cuckoldry is still cuckoldry >>Camillia fucks somebody before you start a romance with her?? cucked!!!She does it mid-romanceYou forgot Jae too >>Irliet doesnt fuck you in her romance!!! cucked!!!Not cuckoldry but extremely embarrassing>will spread her legs for Marazhai of all people>but not for you
>>722354937>She does it mid-romanceShe does notYou have been pushing headcanon because you are a cuck fetishist
>>722354937>Yes, willing cuckoldry is still cuckoldryYou can't make a hoe into a house-wife.
>>722354937>JaeThe Jae one is complete nonsense too because I went through it and appart from mention that she had a sex life before the RT there's quite literally nothing. But please, do continue because I very much enjoy watching a man getting consumed by his neurosis and insecurity why talking about the sex life of fictional women from the same universe as Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka
>>722355491>there's quite literally notACK
>>722355169Not with 3DPD, thankfully, that's why video games exist
>>722354807>Literally no Owlcat romance ever cucks the playercammellia is a mentally ill cannibal serial killer who visits brothels in the abyss to get railed by demon cock and murder people to get her rocks off even if you're in a relationship with her, she gets annoyed the secret is exposed when the brothel owner says as much
>>722328076Don't say her name backwards.
>>722354937>>722355491>>722355624>>722355725You're romancing whores in a Western game and surprised when they express sexual experience or even sexual deviancy. Jae is a whore. Octavia is a whore. Camellia is an insane sociopath. You're not even playing some bright-eyed neophyte in these games, you're a decadent trillionaire in RT and a demigod in WotR. Notions of "purity" should be beneath you.And if they're not? I won't judge. You've got Arueshalae, you've got Valerie, you've got Cassia. There are always sweet young virgins in Owlcat games, you can't expect *all* of them to be.
>>722355946valerie is not a virgin, she in fact brags about having meaningless one night stands specifically just to rub in your face that she's not a virgin
>>722355946>it makes sense to have cuckoldry!Okay, but it's still cuckoldry
>>722328076>fake blondepass
>>722328076I'm amazed its a normal white woman. IIRC the setting was written by a bunch of dudes deep in the Believe Women shit so everyone was a bunch of mutts and fags.
>>722355995And Arueshalae has fucked thousands of men, women, monsters and beasts before (you.) Her depiction as a sweet young girl that wants to start over is more endearing than being a slovenly cat-caller that is secretly a virgin.
>>722337507>>polyamory is fine>No it's nota throuple with one dude and two chicks is based (even more based if they're sisters, even the Bible says that's a good thing) it's all the "open relationship" shit that's thinly veiled cuckoldry that's revolting.
>>722356221>IIRC the setting was written by a bunch of dudes deep in the Believe Women shit so everyone was a bunch of mutts and fagsThe author had a famous fetish for brown women.
>>722355624This shit with Cassia happens almost right out of Furibundus the actual relationship only begins at the party celebrating her new status as a legit merchant on Footfall. so, as i said it's her having a sex life before being in a relationship with the RT not her fucking around on the RT. I would recommend that you check yourself at your nearest mental institution but I would rather that you keep crashing out in here. >>722355946>Notions of "purity" should be beneath you.They are, the whole point of romancing Jae is that she's a fun and reckless hedonist and that's a great fit for a thrill seeking unorthodox RT
>>722328076Reminds me of that blonde bitch in Gen V
>>722356317Ah yes, the classic "no no no, it's not a REAL relationship"Honestly, even saying that they were playing nude poker is a better cope
>>722356238for arueshalae due to pathfinder's metaphysics there's a decent philosophical argument to be made she's technically a virgin.tl;dr pathfinder Outsiders do not have a separate body and soul unlike mortals. arueshalae is a demon, who are made from the melted down soulstuff of chaotic evil mortal sinners coalesced into an Outsider body.Through divine intervention, Arueshalae was "cursed" with a new mortal soul and conscience by Desna, and literally has her creature subtype change from Demon. The metaphysics are such that the arueshalae you meet and romance is literally a new soul and new body compared to the entity that was demon aruethink of it like a sci-fi setting, if a Star Wars clone trooper had memories of another clone trooper banging downloaded to his mind, does he count as no longer a virgin?
>>722356457Gamer I'm not that anon but I want to ask what the purpose of this back-n-forth is. Are you trying to convince >>722356317 that Jae is a whore? Because I don't think that anon is going to deny it. Jae is a whore, or a "hedonist" if you want to be tactful. Her character art, her personality and her initial impressions when you meet her all point towards her being a "worldly" woman seeking thrills. Nobody is getting "surprised" that she has orgies.
People still bother to argue with the tardbaiter who insists that every girl who ever took a breath next to another male is cucking MC are always such fresh wind in those threads.The fun part is that the same clown will actually haltingly start to talk about the game when you ignore him a while because he doesn't want his attention feeding ground to drop off the boards
>>722356673No, I'm telling you that she fucks other people while you romance her, meaning she cucks you, it really is that simple
>>722356784If I were you think I am I would be shitposting about Valerie instead, you need to understand that 4chan isn't one person
>>722356639>does he count as no longer a virgin?Shapeshifters can't be physically "virginal" because they can give themselves whatever they want. Hymen? Sure. Extra-thick hymen? Sure. Loose wet pussy? That too. Arueshalae is absolutely a virgin because her mentality is very virginal. She doesn't want to have sex with you until she's "ready," it's a blunt metaphor for defloration.
>>722356457in my playthrough I hadn't even spoke to Jae since hiring her on Footfall when I got Vigdis' memo that Cassia was alienating the whole ship through warp-powered autism. That's not fucking around that's just being apparently very fun to hang around with. You however read that she was having sex at any point and immediately construed this as irefutable proof that she was cheating because, I suspect, you have unresolved issues about women.
>>722357115virginity isn't about having a hymen otherwise there would be no male virgins
>>722357227Right right, the hymen doesn't matter. It can even be broken by riding a horse amarite?
>>722357315virginity is about not having sex with other dudes. if a girl has an intact hymen but has sucked 37 dicks in a row and uses the mormon poophole loophole, she's not a virgin, whereas someone who grew up in a nunnery but tore her hymen with a carved wooden dildo is still one. you're jumping at ghosts thinking I'm making some whore apologist argument, I'm not
>>722357496>37 dicks in a rowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OQl89ewXvc
>>722357115>ShapeshiftersShe can't because she's not a demon anymore
>>722328076/v/ is basically unbrowsable these days. It's all discussion about cuckoldry, identity politics, and bait. I can't discuss Expanse here because rather than talk about the lore or what we'd hope to see in the game, people would rather talk about cuckoldry.I can't discuss games like Silent Hill F or Ghost of Yotei because people here sre obsessed with cultural war bullshit.Even when there's a rare, comfy thread, shitposters still barge in and start shitting all over the threads. I can't discuss old games either. They're either bait or they're full of larpers who never even played the game and can thus only converse in memes about it.Its depressing. I don't even know where I'm supposed to go to actually talk about video games anymore.
>>722357670>Its depressing. I don't even know where I'm supposed to go to actually talk about video games anymore.Clearly not here, so feel free to leave.
>2 pretty main white charactershow did they get away with it?
>>722357874They made the diversity hires pretty too, it really is that simple
Aww yeah. Now THIS is an Owlcat thread.
>>722350730>oh no, this character isnt an ugly, dysgenic tranny mutt Why are leftists like this
>>722350953Go be fat elsewhere, American urbanite.
>>722358069Oh shit I forgot to include her, she does try to fuck someone else. Even if she doesn't because they think she's too ugly, she still tried, so still cuckoldry
>>722352945USA is third world now.
>>722328076Hopefully music for this game is written by someone competent unlike their usual contributors
>>722342438I think it could have worked if the dead three had had a different plan, and that the real twist being that daisy could have theoretically been the lesser of two evils
>>722357970I am wondering more about that part than the White ones. Blondie is going to act "Tough smart faultless girlboss #5434" anyway. But a passingly attractive DEI token? That is a surprise
>>722357670You don't think it's spiritually and intellectually invigorating to get yelled at by a schizo about the sexuality of videogame characters while other anons have a disturbingly academical debate about the nature of virginity ? The truth is that you're like the rest of us you want to bitch and moan and you want to get in pointless flamewars with faceless idiots. Stop lying and join the rest of us in the filth. Also what is there to say about the Expanse: the game ? it's a book series that ended 10 years ago a cinematic trailer and a bunch of concept arts might as well enjoy the virgins crash-out over promotional character portraits. Just treats this website like a zoo filled with mentally challenged animals and enjoy the tour.
>>722358357Eh, Rogue Trader has a great soundtrack though.Better than BIGRPGTITLE3 anyways because Kyrill ripped in pepperoni in 2015
>>722342441dont forget that the 1st person narration voice depended on your character. so there were like 10 copies of each narration line
>>722358634>Blondie is going to act "Tough smart faultless girlboss #5434" anywayWatch her act like a gigastacy that melts down once you break her icy personaand she'll be a virgin too btw
>>722359084>Eh, Rogue Trader has a great soundtrack though.no it doesnt lol. bg3 is also much better than your average rpg soundtrack, even if its worse than DOS1 and 2. owlcat in general has very mediocre music (but at least its not solasta ost)like seriouslyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF_Bz_1xa00does this sound good to people? does it not just vanish from your head the minute after you heard it? and this is supposed to be the main theme of the whole game?
>>722355929a nigger cuck...
>>722358357a lot of combat tracks actually start being irritating but overall I really enjoyed RT's soundtrack. That being said I'm a sucker for pipe organs and I don't think they'll have as much opportunities to use them outside of 40k
>>722355946you think trillionaires irl are fucking whores?no they are fucking different virgins every day
>>722359327>does it not just vanish from your head the minute after you heard it?I wish down by the river did
>>722359648>no they are fucking different virgins every dayand young ones too, a bit too young
>>722359631>I don't think they'll have as much opportunities to use them outside of 40kwhy not? just do it. final fantasy has fucking 80s synths mixed with harpsichords while exploring a dungeon. there's no excuse but laziness on the composer's partalso RT pipe organs are really boring and constantly on the same mode instead of actually playing around with what pipe organs can dohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVHAc3mfoQw
>>722359952
>>722357496i mean you are talking around the subject but the closest thing to a definition for virginity is an intact hymen. girls can, and do, and have always done, other shit than having their hymen popped, and you can argue all you want against it, but the hymen is the standard, and the reason for it is entirely pragmatic, it's to ensure that you don't marry a girl who's about to give birth to someone else's kid. so yes, even if the hymen was lost for other reasons, it still leads to that uncertainty, where you simply don't know if she's already pregnant. so she cannot be treated as a virgin.
>>722328076What's so great about her?
>>722360234White woman pretty
>>722360234She's really attractive and I want to put my penis inside her
>>722355929
>>722360234Nothing yet.
>>722360234Wasn't ruined by first impression, already a rare curiosity in today's games
>>722359648I've seen enough about irl billionaires to know that they suck at being degenerates. Marquis de Sade would find them positively tasteless.
>>722360542Her only appearance is on the poster.
>>722349401??? The authors said that's literally the origin of the name.
>>722360640And seeing pic related on the poster is already enough to sour me on her, so that matters a lot
>>722360640who do you think is girlbossing in the trailer, genius?
>>722360736this reminds me of everyone dooming about idira for some reason and then the game came out and she's perfectly fine and people got their panties in a twist for nothing
>>722360805She ranked at the bottom of Owlcat's surveys anon...
>>722360805Sorry bud, the fatigue set in. The only cure is kebab removal.
>>722360549to be fair a lot of the lure is about doing whatever the plebs aren't allowed to, and they got far more of that now then in 120 days
>>722360287>>722360351I'm gonna need more than that.>>722360440I'm with you so far.>>722360542I have enough past waifus to last me forever. The video game industry can keep making ... what's her name, Kendra Wilson? in every game and I will still not care.
>>722328076Pass. I don't need some cheating bitch nagging me when I want to stay up until 3am eating salami and mustard while running MMO dungeons. Jerking off is less hassle.
>>722361395I would care, I didn't upgrade my machine for more darkbrown rhinos
>>722361667comfyui for all your needsyou won't need another video game, ever.
>>722361945good morning saar
>>722359127Don't give me hope bro
>>722357970Until of course people complain that it isn't inclusive to unconventional appearances (ugly)
>>722347496Damn, I was about to post this. >Black science woman!There. I'm done.
>>722362049Not in the mood to go to my phone and taking pictures of my hand.Do what you gotta do, man.
>>722357670What is there to discuss? Expanse lorefags are a bunch of elitists that think the semblance of hard sci-fi makes them superior to other genre fiction enthusiasts but then simultaneously talk up their ancient aliens derived Magnetar ships and how they're the most unstoppable killer things ever made.And as much as the creators talked about setting it up like a role playing game and RTS with the 3 factions and their strengths and weaknesses, despite a six season show no one given a shit about the setting and only now getting scraps from a Ruski
>>722361367>be fair a lot of the lure is about doing whatever the plebs aren't allowed towell if you're a fucking philistine I suppose that would cut it but even then surely there must be something more in your heart than fucking a 17 years old trapped on an island with you ? where's the outright violence ? the blurring of the line between Eros and Thanatos ? The outlandish overconsumption of baroque and rare dishes and stimulants ? the complete obliteration of the self and the object of desire in an orgiastic release ?Do you imagine that Caligula and his friends would have settled for a tepid blowjob by a resigned teenager followed by chinese take-out ? Of course not but our modern incarnations of the aristocracy are intellectually mediocre: the heirs of petty-bourgeois morality and sobriety they're unable to conceive an aesthetic or an erotism above their pitiful station.
>>722361945Fair point, but only a last resort to me and my skill limits.I might conjure up some ideal cutie pics, or even get a LLM to smooze as her with me but somehow I doubt I can spin any passable game around her to boot.Then again if devs&publishers manage to lower the bar on "passable" even more than in the last 2 decades, I might rethink this
>>722362156The "people" that complain about that are a minority, the chick in the OP is by far the most popular character shown so far simply because she's really hot and Owlcat knows it >>722328859that's also why they made everyone, even the token negress, attractive
>>722362616What an absolute autist pseud
>>722358634>this hot chick is bad, but damn, look at this niggerMost amerimutt post I've seen today.
>>722359778>down by the river dida fine theme, if a bit flat. bobby needs to learn from the japanese to put some emotion and romance into his motifs, rather than just have everything be static dark heroic all the time (hopefully e33's success will drill that into larian)still, at least I can remember it, which is much better than most western rpg music
>>722363410>>722363568
>>722363410When I see some ttroopleader/captain/whatever with tits sipping from a "bossmang is already right" cup, in a seeming nu-male written setting?I will not expect finding Cassia's baseline human sister
>>722364007Because numalea dont make niggers even more annoying.Americans innovate in nothing but the ways they find to worship niggers.
>>722363723?
>>722364295well good thing they are slavs, and cross the line of "what is allowed to be done according to blundersky" on occasion
>>722338735Much improved in the DLC, but yeah.
>>722328076I agree with >>722328229. It looks like it was generated in Stable Diffusion, like picrel but with a less anime-like facial structure.
>>722332724well lets hope the blonde will also look hot ingame. on artworks its easy....to deliver the hotness ingame is the skill we need:D
>>722328229who cares she looks hot. the only thing that matters.
>>722336008I will marry her and fill her with babies.
>>722364761>owlcat models>now on UE5Anon, best limit your expectations for now
I don't really like The Expanse. New age sci-fi is boring to me.
>>722354807Anon, have you tried not being a cuck?
>>722337157Sweden.
>>722365623How can he when he likes Owlcat games?
>>722354418Trannies (Rapists) mistake awkward rejection as bashful acceptance.This is with a girl that literally projects her feelings of panic that some dyke is flirting with her.It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
>>722362069AND one of the endings will be you impregnating her
>>722339130I would loada her belta if you know what I mean
>fully voiced protagonistLame as fuckAnd I here I was hoping BG3 would popularize silent MCs
>>722341340Played D:OS2. It had a great simulation but in terms of "reactions to my choices" it almost didn't matter because there was a golden path (just full on blitzkrieging holocaust marine) to get the full exp because using anything other than combat skills would penalise you in total exp earned.
>>722328076Thank you anon! You are a good anon!
>>722328076>There is a white chick, blonde as that she's hot AND you can romance herWhat year is this? 2007???
>>722369497
>>722369580>AND you can romance herIs this confirmed though?
>>722369497Regina is how Valerie should actually look like if she was that supposed 11/10 beauty
>>722369338This is not-Mass Effect after all
>>722338438I clocked out of this series when they killed off the pilot character because of some onset real life drama, fuck them, he was great and actively pushed for making more seasons early on behind the scenes and saved series after S1
>>722348246add "young" to that
>>722369627I mean it's an owlcat game so I say there's a 90% chance but it might actually be the catch
>>722370421She's attractive so there's either a catch or she's one of the only non-romance characters. Happened in Rogue Trader with Argenta.
>>722369627She's almost certainly a romance, we're just hoping she's not a cannibal or something worse
>>722369627>>722370421Yeah. Normally I’d say “she’s front and center on the key art. Of course she will be.” But then there’s Argenta.
>>722347787>"Playername, I'm pregnant.">renegade interrupt>FALCON PUNCHdo it owlcat
>>722369627Not really, but I doubt they'd push her into the light first if she totally isn't. Eldar switch&bait shenanigans might be another matter
>>722370747She'll be a whore that cucks you, that's something worse.
>>722370747>we're just hoping she's not a cannibal or something worseIts already worse, a SIW
>>722371538A SIWhat?
Should I play rogue trader
>>722328076>light blonde hair>dark brown eyebrowsWhat does this mean?
>>722372212stonk independent womyn
>>722372292Hello Saar
>>722372284Wait for the (second) rebalance patch that comes out this month
>>722373051What’s there to balance it’d a single player gameOr do you mean bug fixes
>>722373874>What’s there to balance it’d a single player gameThe combat is a mess, game is piss easy and breaks in half extremely easily. Not to mention that the DLCs completely fucked over the level curve>Or do you mean bug fixesIt's an Owlcat game, bug fixes are always present
>>722373874retarded strong DLC classes (I guess, haven't played it much last months) Just hope they aren't messing with fish-fu again
>>722331513good, I'm glad to know you're suffering every day
>>722372292I only like two of those words...
>>722374035If I know Owlcat they will nerf Cassia again but blade dancer and executioner will remain untouched
>>722339087>he doesnt know
>>722372286Makeup
>>722328302based
>>722372286It matches her hair roots, plus eyebrows are naturally darker than hair.
>>722372286But what about her pubes?
>>722372286
>>722328229That was my first thought too.
>>722328859>blonde rich girl>regina which is latin for queenwhy not go all the way and name her regina george?
>>722375515
>>722369627They keep teasing her on social media and know she's extremely popular just because of how attractive she is, she'll be romanceable 100%
>>722328076she is hot as fuck
>>722377968According to Owlcat, she'd be pleased to know that you think that
