So what was this game final message?
>>722332013Agility makes you God
>>722332013Political assassinations work if you kill enough peopleDon't let your church be invaded by literal demonsHave someone else to place the blame on
>>722332013I don't know but reading the steam forums they don't seem to know either, these people are honestly insane, I won't believe for a second that they played the game 30 years ago as well.
>>722332013Ramza: Be a better man (but actually done right) Delita: The road to hell is paved with good intentions
>>722332013That you can be a hero even if cost you everything.I wonder what would happened if the roles were reversed with Tierra and Alma?
>>722332013Nothing
>>722332013If you promise your girlfriend you will not abuse her as a political pawn for the benefit of others, don't do that and then also forget to mention you didn't actually kill all of her friends/her knight protector, or she might try to stab you.
>>722332013That not being stabbed and hated and feared by everyone around you is better than going down in the history books as a hero
It's a shame that we never going to see or fight the other Zodiarks
>>722332013Class warfare
>>722332013It's GoT before GoT.
>>722332013You get what you fight for in the end.
he chose the path of the hero, paved with lies and deceit. all he was left with was the role but burned every true relationship he ever had. he discarded his nobility for nobility. ramza however fought in the shadows, the true threat to the world which ended up destroying his family name. however, he earned something beyond the title and rode off into obscurity willingly, trading his nobility for nobility.
>>722332013if you kill jesus and ignore political drama you get to bang your sister.
>>722332013That crystals are cool
>>722338763The choices Ramza and Delita made was always one of the most compelling things in the game along with everyone else who had sisters and chose accordingly, whether right or wrong.
>>722332013history is written by satan
Brown people (like Delita) should know their place.
>>722332013Is it worth to compromise your ideals for what you think would be winning?Would you become a back stabber of your friend in order to marry his loved one or take away his job promotion?The game says yes and no to a certain degree. There's no straight answer. Delita achieved what he wanted, but he had to sacrifice himself. Ramza also got what he wanted but he had to sacrifice himself as well.
>>722339557That's what makes this game so good. War is brutal and there's rarely a clear winner, much less anyone who emerges with an intact conscience.
I'm glad a new generation got to play this excellent game. As for this final message? Well...God is real but doesn't care.andThe survivors write the history. Did Delita do things right?
>>722339557>Ramza also got what he wanted but he had to sacrifice himself as well.He literally sacrificed everyone unless Squeenix confirms the others also made it out alive from the final fight with Ultima.
>>722340278Pretty sure matsuno said that everyone got out alive but branded as heretics.
Delita was a really bad schemer.AlsoGALAXY STOP!
>>722340489Afaik he only comfirmed Ramza and Alma, because there was a schizo theory that Olan just hallucinated seeing them both at the end. Kind of shitty of Ramza letting Olan burn in the stake for telling his story.
>>722332013He was right.
Is it weird if I actually sympathize with Argath after hearing his voice acting? He's still an asshole but the sheer desperation in his voice paints a clearer picture of him being just as much a cornered rat as the Corpse Brigade, and in lacking love or companionship he shoves everyone but the useful away.>>722340838There was nothing more Ramza could do because he burned any chance of staying in Ivalice, and if at anything Ramza is the biggest 'winner' in this game of losers precisely as he learned that there's a limit to what people can do. Ultimately Orran and Ovelia chose to do what they did.
>>722340838I don't know if Is a squizo theory but everyone surviving it makes no sense.
>>722341002>Ramza is the biggest 'winner' in this game of losers precisely as he learned that there's a limit to what people can doHe beats up a demi god at the end. What do you mean?
>>722341223>Kind of shitty of Ramza letting Olan burn in the stake for telling his story.That. He beat up a demigod but he still had to leave Ivalice forever.
>>722341002>He's still an asshole but the sheer desperation in his voice paints a clearer picture of him being just as much a cornered rat as the Corpse Brigadehes just an asskisser of the wealthy
Weigraf 2 was utter bullshit that made me rehaul my team but I am loving tactician with the changesNinja are less godly (and I am finding putting DW on sturdier classes is serving me better) so I am using stuff like this thiefgoon (who will do more damage when his lance isn't like 8 levels old) and more protecting spells. Dancer is a godsend in most battles, and mine is a black mage for when big aoe opportunities open up I used calculator for a bit and while it's still really good, a black mage casting flare itself with the same gear (and assuming calculator is also a BM main) seems to do like 40-50% more damage, so there's a good reason to use them and summoners still.
>>722341328Because he's a pussy? With the main leaders of the church including the arch bishop dead, there was no better time to just get rid of it. Assuming everyone or at least the most important people made it out alive from the fight, the church wouldn't had been able to do anything to Ramza.
>>722340986>>722341002I never understood how this guy manages to get in Zalbaag’s graces between kicking him out of your party and the last battle of chapter 1
>>722341369Ah, but consider: Argath is a noble too yet he has to beg for scraps. In fact it feels to me like Argath and Milleuda direct their seethe at commoners and nobles respectively because they refuse to accept their lot in life: Why should *I* live like this because of you?
>>722341524hes an asskissernot so different from delita
How difficult is tactician? I haven't played FFT since I was in highschool like 2 decades ago so I don't really know if I remember mechanics super well
>>722341523Well they still had enough people to paint all of them as super satan and everybody believed it.
>>722341760That monk pussy is top tier. ...We need a tierlist of female FFT jobs. Summoner is bottom tier. She gets double teamed by her summons.
>>722332013Self-betrayal sucks, you should stick up to your ideals and beliefs no matter how bad your circumstances are.Ramza was a noble, Delita was a commoner.Both believed in justice, caring about their family and living true to their own heart - the very concepts Barbaneth teached to both of them.Then Argath kicks in and shows that Barbaneth was a rare exception (like Cid, another noble oldfag) and nobility is full of faggots (even Ramza's half-brothers) who don't give a shit about commoners like Tietra.Both take this hit differently.Ramza STILL believes in his father's teachings and discards his nobility by basically becoming a commoner (and later on a heretic) while still caring about his family (his sister Alma, Zalbaag to a lesser extent), doing what is right and not tolerating injustice. He doesn't sacrifice anything important by the end of the game (boo-hoo muh nobility) and saves the country and his family (he tried his best with Zalbaag) while not sacrificing his ideals and beliefs.Delita goes "fuck this shit, you can't win in life with these rules as a commoner, so I'm gonna change them and the end justifies all kind of ugly means I'm gonna use" and turns into the very thing he always hated - a lying and back-stabbing noble who abuses his power (and he goes as far as to backstab EVERYONE while becoming a king to change the rules for commoners). His other issue is that he tried to project his dead sister onto Ovelia (a pseudo-noble who is actually a no-name commoner) and then he just kills her when she stabs him for being a piece of shit no better than, say, Argath, and at that point Delita realizes that Ovelia isn't Tietra so he doesn't really care about her and he basically got nothing else in life by sacrificing his ideals for the sake of "end justifies the means".
>>722340489>>722340838Matsuno wrote a canon "post-game" event for the Lord of Vermillion III crossover. Ramza and his crew ending up in Ordallia helping the resistance movement against an oppressive regime there. https://x.com/YasumiMatsuno/status/446091811052724224
>Olan: For that, you're going to take advantage of everything?>Delita: Is that wrong?That's all he did, and that's why he got what he got.
>>722341594Enemies take less damage while you take more. That's it.So far, it's encouraged me to use heavy armor, status effects and buffs/debuffs more. Spacing is more important, as are charge times, and the previous strategy of just bumrushing the enemy is harder to pull off.Basically, you have to treat every enemy as a miniboss and respect what they can do, but you can still make overpowered builds if you know the game well enough.
>>722342834and more HP. The combo of both doing less damage and them having more HP means that you can't really play Rocket Tag as easily as before (deleting enemies with ninjas and calc before they get to go meaning you need zero defense)
>>722342571well i'll be damned
>>722342571That fucker need to write another Ogre Battle/Tactics Ogre after the events of OB64 or a new FFT.I always wanted game with the setting of the FFTA2 but with the plot of FFT
>>722343274No game no canon
>>722332013is this game political left or right?
>>722343580Nigger
>>722340838Given the context and the situation they were in, I don't see how that was a schizo theory. But seeing how it's confirmed they live, I'm okay with that.
>>722342520I don't agree at all that Delita doesn't care about Ovelia. He DOES care about her, but she's seen and experienced how manipulative he is to the point that she can never trust him. That's the completion of his tragic arc, he obtained vengeance, his ideals, and glory but he lost love and humanity.
>>722343274@yasumimatsunoIt was hilarious seeing him fighting against the spics on twitter. Then every other spics banded together to gaslight him into submission. The fandom are never on your side, dead of an author will always be the predominant canon, and you are just dumym for the retarded masses to lash their frustration on you.
>>722343580there's literally a subreddit for commiegamer and FFT is the mascot of the sub.
>dead of an author
>>722343580neither
>>722342571Well at least that would explain why he couldn't help Olan. Would be fucking awesome to get a direct sequel of how they took down the church after Olan was killed.
>>722343872It's even worse, some days ago those fuckers were yelling at him because the game didn"t have a spanish translation at the point he was going to block them because that kind of issue was out of his league.
>>722344065Olan's biggest mistake was literally compiling this book that talks about how the church is fake and worshipping demons and are the cause of the last hundred years of war and then going to the church, showing them the book and asking them to publish it officially. I also wonder if he did meet up again with Ramza at some point before he did that and that's how he was able to record the stuff only Ramza and his crew would know.
>>722344440He might have, since the ending now talks about how they'll share that story.
>>722343380A2 was pretty good, and I'm an old fan of original FFT.I would like a brand new Tactics game in Ivalice and NO, not recreating FF12 or some shit. Hell they could use FF11. The assets exist.
>>722343857The other end of this to me is that it's maybe the only real personal agency that Ovelia ever truly shows. So much of the plot is spent bickering over her and attempting to kill her for reasons she never asked for and can't really do anything about but run from it. It's her attempt to finally take back control of her own life from the man who, from her pov, quite literally stole it away from her.
>>722343580>Church is bad>Nobility is bad>war is always bad and nobody winsI have never seen those messages in any right wing game. The only pro-right wing message I can think of is to love your family and honor them, but the game also beat you over the head with how the Beolouve family is rotten due to Dycedarg and how he ruined it all so its not even a pro-family message.Feels like "everything is bad but right wing ideals are double bad" is the only take-away. Like left wing back pill.
>>722332013History is a bitch and rarely gets everything right.>Ramza is remembered as a bastard heretic that murdered his brother and spit on his father's bloodline>Delita is remembered as the glorious peasant King that brought peace to a crumbling country>Ramza actually stopped the end of the world>Delita was a manipulative back stabber that was only loved by those that didn't actually know him
>>722344065>>722344440I think dismissing the church as evil is missing the point. The taurus stone does save that girl's life, after all.The church got subverted by devil worshipers that used it as a political tool to advanced their own nefarious plans, but that doesn't mean their inherent teachings were wrong. It's just evil people being in positions of power to further their own goals. You see with the nobles, the church and even with the rebels with how quickly death corps dudes just change their tune to support new masters. Humans were the real monsters all along...
>>722343857>I don't agree at all that Delita doesn't care about Ovelia.Anon, he fucking kills her after she stabs him (and yes, blah blah, in one tweet Matsuno says that "Ovelia survived that stab and died only much later FOR OTHER reasons" but he changes his mind about random shit every year or two and in another tweet he claimed that "Delita totally survived, but Ovelia...").If he truly loved her he'd give her a pass at this point (unless he prioritize stability of country over dying and letting Ovelia live, which he does - look no further than him not asking Church to pardon Ramza because then the truth about Church might leak and that means more conflicts, and Delita wanted none of it after 50+ years of conflict). Delita loved only one person in his life, and that's his sister. I dunno, maybe he's that much of a siscon that he wanted to fuck Tietra and thus projected her onto Ovelia, but he didn't hesitate at all to stab her back. I don't think this is love.
>>722343380We are never getting a new chapter of the OG Saga, anon. Better enjoy Unicorn Overlord and Symphony of War.
>>722345138I fully agree with you, people saying the message was anywhere as simple as 'Church is le bad' and 'Nobility are le bad' are at best shedding personal accountability.
>>722345138Pretty much this.You can even see an example of this when Rafa revives Malak with the zodiac stone or how Wiegraf fullfil his corruption with the stone due to his malice.
>>722344886it hates religion, it's perfect for commies lefties.
>>722345246I know anon...I know It just that I really want another chapters because the setting is amazing.
>>722345241How would he know Ramza is still alive if they never saw each other agan and he ran away to another country to help orphans?
>>722345241If it's love it's deeply twisted, the product of a wounded heart that's yet to mend.
>>722333051>Don't let your church be invaded by literal demonsBut they said they're emissaries of god. Demons would NEVER say that!
>>722345138The game goes out of it's way to say that the church is evil. Even at it's start Ajora was either possessed by Ultima or was a shell used by her and at the end his title is False Saint. Everyone in the upper echelon is corrupt or a literal demon and they wanted to use the War of the Lions to weaken their rivals and sieze power for themselves. The Zodiac Stones themselves aren't evil, but they were likely used to seal the Lucavi within or something similar.
>>722345906Anon, there's a big difference between 'the Church is evil' and 'Anything can and will be co-opted by man seeking for what he desires'.
is fft the best written japanese game?
>>722332013I love this era. In gundam wing, Treize Kushrenada's point was also "war without principles is pointless". Ultimately if you drop your ethics and morality you're left with nothing in the end.
This>>722345105And you>>722344886Are a worthless double-nigger who would have the U.S. worship unemployed brown people.
>>722345906There's nothing inherently evil about seizing power, the church would likely be much more effective at maintaining stability than a lord that'll get stabbed in the back as soon as they piss off the wrong noble.
>hey, remember that war we had for 50 years?>yeah, we still have to deal with the peasant revolts and bad crops>how about we do another war, a war that is much better than the last one?Brooooo fat fuuuuuck
>>722346008>Anything can and will be co-opted by man seeking for what he desires>Church created by a literal False Saint puppeted by the lead demon. I wouldn't call that 'man's desires.'
>>722341223Killing a demi-god is way easier than fixing a corrupt government.
>>722346146hey they did it for WW2 lmao
>>722346168I consider it mutual, in that these demons wouldn't be able to do so if people were corruptible and allowed demons to take them. If the point Matsuno wanted to make was simply about nobility and the Church being bad he wouldn't have made Delita a king who lost everything, nor would Simon be a good man; rather, we must reflect on why said things are bad.
>>722346146Well you can't say the same didn't happen in real life too.
>>722345906I have to agree because the game itself narratively does not do anything to reinforce any sort of positivities from the church, it furthers double down its sin in the post credit with it burning Olan up to shut out the truth. Yeah ok every one know that NOT ALL RELIGION ARE EVIL, but let's be for real, most FF games paint the church in a bad light at this point it's not even a moral dilemma anymore. It fine to admit churches deserve to be taxed.
>>722332013Life is short! Bury it!
>>722346469>It fine to admit churches deserve to be taxed.Then they get representation in government and push for harder censorship and elect priest kings into presidency.That's literally their end goal.
>>722332013i played this on the PSP in middle school.am i retarded if i didnt know that i could change my main characters class? he was a squire the whole game. also i dont remember the story at all, i worry that im one of those half illiterate retardsanyone else? or just me?
30 years later and Christcucks still seethe. Weird that they see themselves in this fiction at all, but it's very telling.
>>722346371Except the demons don't allow just anyone to take them, it takes specific people who resonate with them and you can fight against it, but all that does is seperate you from the demon. It still exists to cast Ultima 2 at you. It's literally a false church with a false saint that was built on lies and worships demons as a front for their activities and to gain control.
>>722346717I think it's kind of telling when a jrpg demonstrates a FALSE god antagonist pretending he's the real thing and a Christian's kneejerk reaction is to feel offended that christianity is being attacked.
Church bad
>>722343580I would say neither but others will diagree because modern political discourse has Monarchist and greek republicanism both marked as "right wing". It critiques nobility and the issues of commoners being forced to pay for the nobility's mistakes. It also comments on the church as both a stabilizing force for the commoners while also being a tool to maintain a status quo.The key theme is history. The church's history is wrong and was manipulated to create a specific narrative. The war of the lions is just another moment of history being used to create a story. The Hero King Delita brings an end to the chaos of post war Ivalice by gutting the nobility and easing the lives of commoners. But in reality that too is just a story to pacify the masses because a hero king sounds better and keeps things more peaceful than the backstabber gutter trash peasant that killed all his friends.
>>722332013you have to accumulate a lot of turns and then teleport behind your enemies and double unarmed attack them
>>722344886>Church is bad (because it’s literally hijacked by actual demons that most people aren’t aware of)Hmm
>>722346717>>722346875I've always taken it as a warning to be aware of false saints and demons who take the skin of god and attempt to lead you to sin.
>>722346875which is funny is I don't even think 90% of them even know what happened at Nicaea.
>>722346469Simon helped the party out and gave Ramza the Germonique Scriptures. Other than a throwaway line about gods, it's pretty explicitly based on normal christianity so it can be assumed that it functions similarly to the normal catholic church, with the scheming and power plays inherent to any structure in a position of power. The monastery is also a library which is obviously good and important for literacy and record-keeping. The fact that they sealed the Durai papers instead of burning them shows the church has at least some concern for the truth.
heh, delita killed milleuda while ramza was jumping so he was talking from space here
Ramza, the blood-soaked heretic, the killer, who has walked out of more empty castles than can be remembered leaving behind nothing but the stench of corpses and the wailing of the wind, his name written off all records but that infamy, is doomed to be forgotten for five hundred years after having become an object of fear and hatred in his lifetime. He, who was in truth the hero who slew the demons manipulating Ivalice from behind the scenes, who saved the kingdom from the return of its false saint, from the Angel of Blood whose coming had once brought down civilization, he gets to walk into the sunset with his sister, to find a new life somewhere else, presumably followed by the friends and allies he made along his journey.King Delita, the hero in armor of gold, the savior of Ivalice, the commonborn soldier who rose to knighthood and nobility, who married the princess and ushered in an era of peace and prosperity for the kingdom, is written into history as one of the great names of Ivalice, a Knight Devout, anointed by the Church in honor and glory. He, manipulator, schemer, assassin, survives everyone he ever knew and had reason to care about. Ramza, his childhood friend, presumed dead on some quest nobody knows anything of. Valmafra, fleeing into the night to find some life far away. Orran, whose loyalty he gained with careful demonstrations, dead on the Church's stake. All who had once trusted him are dead, and he had already planned to betray them besides; and now his own wife lies lifeless among the scattered petals of the flowers he'd thought to gift her for her birthday.Delita will go down in history as a noble, brave and kindly king, perhaps struck by his wife in a bout of madness, but he will always be there, in the ruins of that chapel, clutching his breast where the dagger drew his blood, looking to the stars and asking Ramza if he got all that he wanted, all that he deserved.But there will be no answer.We are the sum of our deeds, not our names.
>>722347285based leapGOD
>>722347215Same. Don't just blindly trust someone telling you to worship. True faith doesn't come from worship to begin with.
>>722347285based Ramza defying physics
>the leading demon is Alma’s body but with her ass hanging outwhat are the implications here
Knights are now good because they don't fold over in one hit from enemy knights who do 150 a swing
I really wonder how you are supposed to beat wigraf on tactical without cheese. That fucker rocks 11 speed and hits for 200 unblockable unavoidable damage.I'm just short of putting him in critical hp with ninja attacks in the back and I would probably get super raped in the fights after anyway.Guess there is no way around it.
Even if Ramza defeated the true masters of the church he would be stopped by the political gang one way or another and the same with Delita.So the two of them saved Ivalice even if one of them forgotten from the records.
>>722347437I thought that Knights were always a sleeper class because Knight Swords are really strong as fuck
>>722347420Fuck your sisters butt
>>722347453The old method of running around the room shouting and accellerating until you get 50 turns to his one and can just bap him to death, worked in the PSX and WotL version. It's good enough here.
>>722341524He's the same as Zalbaag, they understand each other
>>722347453Maybe auto-potion if you have x-potions
>>722347603well yeah, you used to just slap 'equip sword' on ninja and go to town, but the I think the reverse is better now. Just get ninja ASAP and do some levels in it for speed.Of course, if you're on Knight difficulty then ninjas are probably strictly better still
>>722346717FF takes a lot of jab on Buddhism (at the same time respect it) too but a lot less explicit because the westerners who play the game doesn't pick up cues. The most obvious one in FFX,
Is Cid still busted as fuck
Do these 3 chucklefucks get any extra dialogue explaining their deal this time? Always found it weird that Folmarv may as well have always been some closet demon the whole time since there’s no context to his human life and his cohorts may as well just be some douchebags who are along for the ride
bwos what the heck, i cant read every second post because it has huge spoilers
Wiegraf should have been the main villain not some old faggot or at least wiegraf takes over
>>722346638Not anymore. You think megachurches are unhappy with being tax exempt AND owning land AND having allies? At any rate, I'll take this Christianity thing over the backwards tyranny of Islam.
>>722346682Yes you are at least half retarded. Ramza Squire is a unique class though.
>>722346682You usually end up back in Squire with Ramza after levelling him up as other stuff to buff his stats. Squire is Ramza's best class in the end.
>>722332013Delita and Ramza were broken and beaten by the notion that "might makes right". There is no objective truth or good in the world, just what man asserts. However Delita absorbed this into his heart and decided if that's how the world works, I'm the one who's going to be calling the shots. The caged bird frees himself, and then makes sure the lock is nice and tight so nobody else can follow him. He couldn't even let Ovelia out of her cage, she traded in being a slave to powerful people to trusting in Delita and being his personal slave. Ramza, in part because he still had his little sister Alma and Delita lost Tietra, sees the manifest injustice of this sort of worldview and continuously tries to upend it.
>>722346717>>722346875What Christians are you talking to that are unhappy with FFT's portrayal of the church?This shit happened IRL, minus the magic and demons. Read some history.
>>722348220Wiegraf was never a villain
>>722348534Her name is TETA
>>722345906>The game goes out of it's way to say that the church is evilBased, bought a copy
>>722348786Wiegraf is a villain. He sold his soul just as much as Gaffgarion- he was just more blatant about it.
>>722332013How is this game? Does it hold up?
Ogre Battle 65 remake next!
So a lot of troubles was caused by this faggot?
>>722332013>Wotl haters celebrate the remake to retranslate the game>Remake is a copypaste of Wotl with a few minor rewordsAlexander O. Smith still winning faggots, go back to your bad "braclet" version
>>722349493He's definitely one of the bigger causes of a lot of shit happening yeah
>>722349543>No WOTL contentIN THE TRASH IT GOES
>>722332013Delita became just as manipulative and power hungry as the nobles he hated so now he's all alone with no genuine relationships. Meanwhile, Ramza is just chilling with Alma and his party members. Life is good for him despite being a nobody now in the eyes of the masses.
>>722332013Don't trust women
>>722349882Ramza immediately goes to the neighboring country with his sisterwife and friends to murder more nobles.
>>722349803You can't say that! You'll make ps1 fags seethe
>>722332013Delita is the hero of the story
>>722349803Based
I have a dancer and three mimes. Working on my fourth mime.
Could Ramza defeat Ashley Riot one on one?
>>722349882But now the commoners have more rights, so it was a the price he paid at the end.
did anyone get to chapter 4 yet? did the new trannyslation fix the queen reference?
>>722349991It's good to have a hobby, he truly was the best of the Beoulve.
On a scale of 1 to 10 how evil is Zalbaag?
>>722349803you're right, WOTL does go into the trash
>>722350054Just mod a FFT PSX ROM with WotL content. It's simple
>>722350235Yes, Delita was a great King, but a horrible person. Remember he helped engineer the War of the Lions. Be pulled a Palpatine and created a war to destabilize the populous so they would more easily accept him as their savior.
>>722349048Gaff didn't sell his soul, he was just a Dark Knight out to make money.
What was Delita's tax policy?
>>722350252What reference was this anyway?
>>7223502786He was truly misguided by his older brother.You can see his anger when he learned the thruth about his father.
>>722349991>sisterwife It may amuse you that a buddy and I still argue about if they were fucking or not.I say no. Ramza just really likes long hugs...
>>722350129>Ashley RiotWas a Squire with item command. So....
>>722350775I'm honestly surpised no one has made a Ramza/Alma Andy & Lele edit
>>722350563A lot of people despise him but I think he had no options since he was a commoner and in order to make a difference all of the high ranks needed to be whiped out.Ramza understood that Delita was using him as a tool, though he likely didn't grasp the full scope of Delita's plan.
Do you think Agrias went with Ramza after defeating anime Satan? I wonder if news ever reached her that Ovelia got stabbed. They probably wouldn't say the literal king did it but you'd think she wouldn't leave the queen behind.
>>722350862He was a Risk breaker. He wasn't a simple squire
I wish we had some bonus stuff. A new game plus that let you carry over levels so you can actually use ultima and the end game classes earlier in the story. It feels like they really added nothing to the game.
>>722350998To be fair, a lot of what Delita was doing helped Ramza too. Delita knew what was up and did everything he could to make sure Ramza succeeded. Like arranging it so Orlandu could join up with Ramza.
>>722332013He's got this, bro.
>>722341403Ah, thought you could do 4:3 screen ratio but you’re just ultra wide. Would’ve been cool.
>>722351038I believe that Ramza at least show the Ajora manuscript to her and Mustadio (and Cid) and after that she changed her mind about the high ranks n the church.
>>722350578When he decided that lofty ideals of knighthood and honor, a sense of justice, or his personal fondness for a young mercenary he'd taken under his wing mattered not one whit weighed against the coin in his purse, Gaffgarion sold his soul to a much more insidious patron then any Zodiac Stone demon.
>Hangs out in a cave minding his own business all day>Shares the same name as the demon possessing him>Unique zodiac signMystery nigga
>>722351457>capitalism is worse than literal satanShut the fuck up retard.
>>722351238Holy cope, there is no evidence that Delita was even aware that he was working with literal demons. He just used them as tools to get power while they used him to resurrect their master. If it wasn't for Ramza cleaning up Delita's mess the world would have ended.
>>722351238Yes that's why is almost strange to me that a lot of people think that Delita was the true villain of the game. Without his help Ramza could never defeat the zodiacs and without Ramza's help, Delita would never have been able to fully demolish the aristocrats.They were working together in different fronts
>>722351038The fact that characters just stopped existing once they joined your team always bothered me. I made the perma death mechanic seem like a detriment. Sure, it added urgency to reviving a party memeber, but toward the mid game you would be an idiot to not reset after losing a character that took hours to level up. Starting from scratch on JP and job progression would be a nightmare.
>>722351652I said "more insidious." Having your brain hollowed progressively by a demon is a much more blatant thing then what happened to Gaffgarion, who was trying to save Ramza's life and have him return to his brother, until he wasn't.One was literal supernatural magic brainwashing you. The other is a man deciding the one person in the entire world who would give a shit if he died doesn't matter in the face of his paycheck. They were both hollowed out, but Gaffgarion did it himself, no Satan required.
>>722351610He just wanted to live pacefully making research in the cave then Ramza enter his cave and murder him.Ramza was the real villain all along, the records told the truth
>Orlandeau seems like a nice guy>Ramza’s dad seems like a nice guy>within one generation all the decent nobles seem to have disappeared and got replaced by cuntsWhat the FUCK happened?
>>722351685>He just used them as tools to get power while they used him to resurrect their master. If it wasn't for Ramza cleaning up Delita's mess the world would have ended.how did the lucavi use Delita to help them? And how was it Delita's mess?
>>722351983The 50 years war
>>722351983War.
>>722351983Jews. I mean war.
>>722351983You're ignoring that pretty much everyone else in Cid's generation was also a cunt. They were the exception, and as soon as there was a chance they were disposed of.
>>722351983Well a certain war kinda took out most of the nobles who weren't puppy kicking assholes so...
>>722351983All the good ones died in the war while the conniving backstabbers avoided fighting.
>>722343872>>722344326This is the first time I'm hearing about beaners frothing over Tactics and I desperately need an explanation
>guy I forgot the name of did the quick "oh!" without it being mentioned in a dialogue box on being made aware he was standing before the Princess and needed to bow the fuck down that instantaight that's the moment it really sank in for me that the EN gave at least half of a shit about voice direction. Very minor thing to fixate on, but still.
>>722350578Gaff was pretty obviously a Dycendarg loyalist, though.
>>722347718That's the cheese I was talking about. I doubt that's the intended way.>>722347793Yeah thats really necessary. Though luck if you still have shit potions in your inventory I guess.
>>722352363https://x.com/RetroGameCO/status/1973494620316430466It was not the spics nut the spaniards the ones to be at fault.
>>722351983Power struggles make assholes out of everyone who isn't at the top.
>>722351685He was high enough in the church that he knew of their plot with the Auracite and knew that both the nobles and church were corrupt and directly made moves against them. He also knew that Ramza was directly moving against the church and was the best shot at bringing them down, thus doing everything he could to assist Ramza, like killing Zalmor and sparing Orlandu.
I always wondered if the Clockwork City of Goug became a super nation after the events of war of the lions.You know that guys were studying all of those ancient tech and stuff
>>722352052Delita's scheming to become king was encouraged by the Lucavi who intended to destabilize Ivalice through conflict to steal the rest of the stones. Delita's desire to use a war between nobles to rise up as a savior worked hand in hand with the Lucavi's need for war as a smokescreen. It worked out for Delita but only because Ramza cut off the demons while Delita soaked up the glory.
I just finished the remake and I have to say I'm really glad they re-did the script, it was a good balance between ye old timey Englishe and "the way people actually talk"
>>722352363No real explanation. Beaners and spics love the Final Fantasy franchise, and it's the flagship of the company. However, Square Enix doesn't have the available budget to localize the games in their language. Note that Square Enix has localized some of their games to Spanish. Dragon Quest VII Reimagined will have a Spanish localization, so they are quiet now. On another note, SaGa Frontier 2 had a French localization, but the remaster doesn't. The French weren't that vocal, but Ivalice Chronicles as a French localization.
>>722352851Yeah, it was great to read along.
>>722350619in the original translation chapter 4 was "somebody to love" but the psp trannyslator changed it to something else, probably because he didn't realize it was a reference like the ogre battle games.
I like how the future of FF12 is a wretched sack of misery with no catgirls
>>722353010Ah, I see.
>>722352725>He was high enough in the church that he knew of their plot with the AuraciteNo he didn't and there is no evidence he did. He was using the church but was ignorant of the fact it was run by demons. He inadvertently helped the demons by strengthening the churches position which gave them more influence and access to the stones. Delita was play chess with politics without releasing he wasn't even a player in the real game.
>>722351038Yes, and they had incest children together
>26robbing this nigga blind before i kill him
>>722353190>level 40damn you love smacking your bitches around
>>722352629That guy is colombian. At least he's getting shit for it. Im hispanic and idgaf. Playing japanese games in spanish before the 00's was extremely rare.
>>722353190>level 40damn nigga lol
Name a more useless character than this bitch.
>>722353068Dude, he literally straight up talks about the church's plot for the Auracite in this cutscene. Did you just skip everything in this game and read a gamefaqs summary? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPyRgkWnemw
Female Knights are better than Male Knights
>>722353038It's still nuts to me FFT is the future of that world and not the other way around. Matsuno showed Ivalice in its golden age and in the middle of the dark ages but we never get why the dark ages occurred.
People often call Archer the worst class, but what’s the 2nd-worse?
>>722353068Delita must have been in the same rank as Izlude or below, he didn't have a stone, right? But Meliadoul and Wiegraf were also kept in the dark. Personally, I think the plan was just to use Delita to have someone they could use to continue the endless bloodshed until Ultima could be resurrected. But Delita made his own goal after hearing about Ovelia's past. Balmafulla was probably higher in rank than him and Izlude and reported to Vormav.
>>722353457>we never get why the dark ages occurredThe church still existed, of course they were holding humanity's progress back
>>722353190I see someone is tacking advantage of how convinient is to grind this time unlike the old game where you had to go back and forth between stages in hope for a random combat. I just put my headphones, listen to my fav podcast and grind away.
>>722353578Delita was the leader of the Blackram Knights and taking orders from the High Confessor of the Church.
>>722353551Probably Mystic/Oracle damage is typically better than status inflection
>>722353551I don't get mime. All that effort to just repeat a move someone else did. Just make a second whatever that class was
>>722353401You fucking retard, he thinks they want the auracite so they can larp as the Braves for clout and influence. He knows they want it but has no idea what their true intentions are. He says it right there:>What's more, the church will have the Zodiac Braves.He means they will more or less rule Ivalice by acting out a religious proficiency. He says he isn't a hound of the church and at that point in the story serving the church no longer helps him become king. He is still acting entirely of his own interest after helping the Church set the stage.
>>722353378Olan was so lucky.Imagine all those blowjobs without complains
the story of final fantasy tactics is easy to understand when you realize it is basically a retelling of tactics ogre. ramza is like chaos route denam who doesn't give up on his idealism but has to spend most of his time running away from people with power. delita is like law route denam with the lord end who gives up on his ideals for the power to change the system, but loses the trust of the person most important to him.
Delita became as bad as the nobles and we never do hear if life became any better under him.
>>722354003Doesn't it mimic what every non-mine character does? So you're getting potentially 3-4 more characters worth of actions with the downside that you have to position them to hit. Also they have the best stat growths in some categories if you care for that side of minmaxing.
>>722353838That's another detail, when he mentions his unit when he meets Goltana, one of the officials says that he thought the unit had been wiped out or routed. The Church had them all killed and placed Delita at the top there? And yep, I forgot about the High Confessor.
>>722354529for god sake anon they told you that at the intro of the game
>>722354531by the time you get them you're like 30-35 and the biggest increases are behind you unless you're going to delevel cheese.Good point on the action economy, though. Maybe I'll make one after all.
>>722354739>>722354531think of it this way: some actions will be useless but if you have a dancer and a knight, you can do a SECOND status dance and also blow someone up with melee with one character
>>722351983Nice guys finish last.Dead last.
>>722354057He knows they want the auracite to get the zodiac braves and needs Ramza to keep dismantling the church, thus doing everything he can to help him. It doesn't matter if he thinks the braves are demons or not, you're splitting hairs.
>>722354531You can do fun stuff with them. Like equip fundaments on your other units and have them do the skill that increases your power. Your mime will get 3-4 free turns of him copying the skill. It snowballs pretty fast and you’ll be one shotting most enemies within the second or third use of the skill. Anything beyond that is just lols to see if you can get to 999 damage per hit.
>>722354798yeah I forgot it mimics everything, not just one action
>>722353190>level 40
>>722354643I don't remember seeing anything like that in the intro
Anyone else find it kinda weird how much screen time Delita gets but after a certain point he basically has nothing to do with Ramza?
>>722352841I thought Delita's schemes were mostly just the church's scheme until near the end, where he decided to strike out on his own.He didn't really seem to have that much effect for the most part
>>722332013that in the quest for power/influence you will discard your humanity and become the very thing that inspired you to rise to power in the first place
>>722354910I'm not though. Delita grossly underestimated the threat of the people he was helping. He stopped helping and assisted Ramza not out of some sense of honor or friendship but because the church had outlived its usefulness to him. He had grander plans and keeping Ramza alive helped those plans by keeping the church distracted. He doesn't understand that he was helping demon's revive their god and he isn't helping Ramza to stop the gods revival. He is playing politics in a game of ancient prophecy.
>these later battles would be so much easier if I used calculator I will resist the evil
>>722353190>Same level at end of chapter 1 as SOME of my dudes were when I beat the gamebro?
>>722355384Religion has always been politics
>>722355517oh go on, you know you want to
>stabs the queen>gets away with it I dunno man I think Delita should have gotten way more shit even if he is the king
>>722355602The difference is huge in the context of the game world.>Worst case scenario in Delita's mindThe Church now controls Ivalice and the High confessor continues to exploit the peasantry>Actual Worst case scenarioThe country is drown in blood as horrible demon's slaughter the masses.He was in over his head, but it worked out for him.
>>722355080I think it works because even when the characters aren't interacting directly with each other, they are parallels to one another. Ramza is the noble who discards his lineage and outward appearance for the sake of others and his own sense of honor, while Delita is a commoner who discards others for the sake of acquiring nobility. Both men are "created" by the same event of Fork Zeakden, but see wildly different results from it. Ramza ends the game a disgraced noble and heretic, only being redeemed by history many years after the fact. Delita was hailed a hero during his time despite every step of his ascension being paved with the blood of those he used and discarded.
>>722355384He realizes the church is corrupt and needs to be removed and that Ramza has the Scripture of Germonique and that Ramza is actively fighting the church and is the best chance of doing that. It does further Delita's goals in both ways, but he is still actively helping Ramza because of it. He literally gives a speech about how Zalmor is vile because he uses the name of god to hide behind to subjugate the weak.
>>722355829So how does this work? Ovelia is supposed to be royalty by blood. Delita marries her. Does this mean Ovelia calls the shots or does Delita become the supreme authority by virtue of being a man?
>>722332013Whats the best version of FF tactics? PS1 ReMixed mod or PSP with Tweaks?
>>722353378oh my, an early tsundere>>722353453How so?
>>722355952Either way the people are oppressed by demons
Playing the Switch version on my Odin Portal.Flawless performance, even with FidelityFX Super Resolution.Latest Citron, latest Mr Purple drivers and latest firmware.
>>722355829maybe he just got a scapegoat?
>>722356047the latter, though it probably helps that the bulk of the people who cared about Ovelia were likely also branded as heretics with Ramza so there likely wasn't much pushback against her murder, especially because it was in "self defense" as she strikes Delita first IIRC.
>>722353378She's only useless because all of her cool playable moments got cut out of the game and the rest of them got shoved into Vagrant Story.
>>722343580it's>war fucking sucks/pol/tard
>>722356213I need context about it anon
>>722332013Probably>Thank you for playing my game!
>>722356190Do you think Delita killed that Chocobo he rode in afterwards? It was the only witness unfortunately.
>>722353551Thief. There's like 3 encounters in the game with stuff worth stealing and it's extremely tedious.
>>722356052from what I've heard it's probably FFT The Lion War, it's the PS1 game with but the content added from WoTL, including the multiplayer battles as singleplayer stuff. I haven't played it yet because I'm unsure how nice it plays on the PS3, as I'd wanted to play on my CRT.
>>722356047If it works like most historical monarchies then Delita would be higher authority because he is a dude, even if he was a commoner
>>722356362Fuck Elmedor and his Maintenance.
>>722356047>“Oh, there was talk of the blood ties between Baratheon and Targaryen, of weddings a hundred years past, of second sons and elder daughters. No one but the maesters care about any of it. Robert won the throne with his warhammer.”
>>722356047>>722356415Was there anyone left alive aside from Delita, Ovelia and Ramza's group that knew Ovelia was a commoner?
hows the JP voice acting for the remake, i can barely fine videos with people using it.
>>722356361he probably should've considering Mediators can speak to monsters
>>722356540just search for ファイナルファンタジータクティクス
>>722356540it's great but the English is really good so I am using it for once in my life
>>722356540Miyuki Sawashiro isn't the voice of Agrias anymore, for some reason they only put her in for Opera Omnia. Even though she was the perfect Agrias.
>>722356693I feel conflicted about it. While it sounds really good, it also sounds like the same three guys voicing every character. There’s not a lot of variety or uniqueness to their voices. I mean fuck at least give Mustadio a cockney accent since he’s probably the only one in your party who isn’t a posh knight.
Vagrant Story Sequel when?Risk breakers are fucking cool
>>722356980>it also sounds like the same three guys voicing every characterit really doesn't to me
Did you reset for the pig in the Fenlands?
>>722357051Give Crimson Shroud a try. It was supposedly suppose to be a sequel to Vagrant Story before it got retooled into it's own thing, so it might help scratch the itch.
>>722357171are you running a squad of entirely physical ranged damage? Or is this before you can buy more guns?
>>722357171no, I think all the cheese in the game is fair play but literally never dying ruins the game. If it had been just once, I would think it was an amazing item, not broken
>sprite formats are basically identical to the original game, just upscaled>big limitation is that all the sprites call on palette files outside of the sprite sheets
>>722357309I'm still unlocking jobs and other abilities I want so it's a bit of whatever works.
>>722353378kek I don't remember this character but she looks identical to a Samus Aran I generated in FFT portrait style.
>>722356052Just wait until TIC gets mods, it will be the best way.
>>722357171>pig in the fenlands?What does this even mean?
>>722357394>>sprite formats are basically identical to the original game, just upscaledDid they find upscaled sheets or is the theory still that the game does it?>>big limitation is that all the sprites call on palette files outside of the sprite sheetsCan you explain what you mean by this?
>>722357851there's a chance a pig will spawn in that battle that you can either poach, or recruit into your party to breed even better pigs to poach. it's the earliest you can get a pig spawn, otherwise you're outta luck until Chapter 4. https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Pig_(Tactics)
Does the remake keep the feature where every normal enemy is named from a list of 256 randomized names? And, is it the same names?
>>722340278>>722340489>>722340838>>722342571The reason Ramzas partymembers never show up in the ending in the first place is because they can die permanently during gameplay. Its the same reason all the unique characters shut up once they permanently join, the devs didnt want to make alternate scenes based on wether they were alive or not. Its a little jarring because Tactics Ogre at least had some alternate scenes for its ending based on which unique characters survived where they got to speak one more time.
Dancers bellies are too erotic!
>>722351983Nobles were always majority cunts. "Good" nobles are the exception.
>I have to get my Digimons>not in Chapter 4 yet though and don't wanna rushtoo many games too much wagingbut tomorrow I am free
>>722353190i get people like to grind jp at the start and breeze through the game but what the hell did you do
he kinda cute
>>722356213>>722356268nta no idea what he said about her being in Vagrant Story but like VS its likely most of her scenario and dialogue was cut for time and storage reasons so she ends up being very minor like many side characters in VS
>>722358947Were these supposed to be moogles? Felt like they wanted moogles in the game then changed their minds for some reason and turned them to pigs.
>>722356980>>722357067Ben Starr voices Dycedarg and also several minor characters, its slightly obvious at certain points but at least hes good.
>>722357912>Can you explain what you mean by this?guessing from secondhand exposure to some modding stuff, basically the way the game spins off the different palettes of characters isn't by having a bunch of the same sprite recolored, but instead by taking one sprite and making a palette list of the colors they should have depending on the designation they have. so if you want to totally replace how a sprite is in the game, you'd also have to crack the palette list open.
>>722332013Jesus bad.
>>722359350Jesus has a nice ass
>>722353190>FFT is a strategy rpg guys I SWEAR LOOK AT THIS STRATEGY
>>722358947Yes cute to pouch
>>722358792Amen brother. Trying to power through the Trails in the Sky remake so I can no-life THIS remake.
>>722359638Just because it's not fucking level 300 of a logic puzzle difficult doesn't mean it's not a strategy game retard. If you don't grind you actually do need strategy.
>>722359130Moogles are extinct. You can summon one and that's it.
>>722359638>look guys this person grinded 50 hourse so the game isnt difficult at allits like acting a game is too easy based on footage of someone playing easy mode
was there any explanation why ramza and alma could learn ultima?
>>722361110Maybe because they were descendants of the guy who fucked up ultima in the past? I'm just speculating though.
>>722332013There's such a thing as too much sigma grindset
>>722338805[User was burnt at the stake for this delusion]
>>722359638grinding/overleveling is a strategy
>>722341524Credentialism
>>722361197might be war of the lions shit then. i only played the ps1
best secondary for summoner? It's really between white mage and time mage. I feel like Holy and -aga level heals win over haste and haste and haste, because that's you would really use from Time mage over your summons. Thoughts?
>>722361110Honestly, does FFT have the weakest version of Ultima in the series?It feels like a non-elemental version of Firega/Thundaga/etc. in power that isn’t really all that strong relative to the weird Blue Magic-esque way you have to learn it
>>722362183chemist
>>722362224got one, don't really need a second
>right after you spare milleuda, tietra and alma get targeted by the corpse brigade>right after wiegraf tells gragaroth he should be happy dying for their ideals, he learns milleuda has been killedMan these things really went over my head when i played the game as a kid.
>>722362220FF2 is the weakest Ultima in the series, it is supposed to scale with all your skill levels but the values are too low (it might be bugged?) to be useful EVER.
>>722361930Cute Geomancer
>>722362376white magic then
>>722362183Consider Geomancy, uses raw MA for damage, status inflicting, good range, instant cast, uses no MP, only downside is the low damage
>>722362183I usually run 2 casters in my parties, one a summoner/black mage, the other a White Mage/Time Mage. There's no wrong answer though, if you want a unit that can both support and do multiple flavors of damage, run Summoner/White Mage. I just like to have each of my units have a specific role to fulfill
>>722361930the geomancer was always the one generic I wanted to ride
>>722362183summons are pretty dedicated already. they dont really do well with split focus. the advantage they have is that summons cant friendly fire so you can dump a summon targetted on your main attacker to prevent the ai from entering the aoe to melee him or if they do, get hit with a big spell. golem is also a summon that doesnt really care what your magic or faith is, it only looks at max hp of the caster then provides a party wide shield to physical damage using that max hp amount, aka stick that on your knight as a subaction or something
>>722362639good call, got Agrias as Geo for her 'final' class though. I think I might just ditch the summoner idea and just go white mage/time Will be so busy hasting and healing that holy and meteor should be fine as damage when needed
>>722362093Ramza and Alma being descended from the one who killed Ultima/Altima is mentioned in the original.
>>722362971probably with vague translation no doubt
>>722332013It's been years since I played this game but what did Delita even achieve? I know he wanted to become king to reform society so there would be no casualties like his sister due to class disparity, but by the end of the game he hasn't really changed society at all. At best you can argue he managed to kill off the demon illuminati thanks to his machinations, but even then I'd give Ramza just as much if not more credit for doing so. And Ramza didn't have to compromise his ideals for that and managed to save his sister, something Delita could never do.
>>722332013To genocide Christians yet White goyim still see nothing wrong with it. Could it perhaps be that, subconsciously, they agree?
>>722363125The state of the kingdom at the start of the game was pretty dogshit for everyone, Delita brought in a golden age. No he didn't propel everyone into a post-scarcity communist utopia but if you were a peasant shit-farmer like him it was a big deal.
Something I never got was why Ramza's chapter 2/3 sprite never had the proper colour scheme. I never understood why they didn't make it match his official art
>>722363365>Delita brought in a golden age.How did he achieve this? I legitimately can't remember. All I remember is Ramza killing all the demons.
>>722362872Geomancy and Draw Out are always going to be good for casters since they can be used when MP is out but still use the raw MA stat
>>722363125I thought he just wanted to become king so he could be at the top of society and not get used by anyone else?
>>722363461The purple was probably meant to make his color standout on the battlefield as the protag unit, and be sort of a "it's technically really dark armor!" artistic approach like how some things do dark blue hair and pretend it's supposed to be black.
>>722332013have sex, space cowboy
>>722363508i dont know about wotl retelling but you got some snippets from vagrant story about the hero king delita. SE really wants to forget VS ever existed so its probably not very strong evidence for the lore.
I'm playing the PS1 version and getting filtered in like the 1st real mission, jesus christ.This Algus guy has zero self-preservation instinct, I'm losing it rn.
>>722362220My personal headcanon though is because Alma is the perfect choice as a host for Ultima, that resonation is why they can learn it. Ramza being her brother is 'close enough.'
>>722363824choose the other dialogue option and you won't need to keep his dumbass alive
>>722363824It's fine, Algus isn't important. He's just trying to hurry along his fate.
>>722363876b-but I'm a noble knight of house Boueioulie or whatever
>>722363876I assume letting him bite it early doesn't change anything else significantly later on
>>722363508It was stated briefly in the epilogue iirc, not really elaborated on but seeing the way the nobility had trashed the kingdom I inferred that he just ruled with an ounce of good sense.
Why is everyone in the thread writing like they're an ESL?
>>722363950he's a guest character, he cannot permanently die in gameplay
I think it's more appropriate to put Ramza into a poofy princess dress
>>722364013Unless you pick the mission option that requires you keep him alive.
>>722364063agrias, pls
>>722341760I was like what the hell is the thing with a backwards crow hat because I've literally never unlocked Mimes despite playing the game for 20 years.
>>722363805>SE really wants to forget VS ever existedWhich is insane because Vagrant Story was a great game.
>>722363824if you put a chemist in the group closest to him you can lob potions at him and keep him going>>722363950the choices have some effect on your bravery, but it's not a big deal really
>>722364085yeah it's pretty dumb, there's another MUCH HARDER fight later where you need to keep an NPC alive despite their immortal gameplay status. no option to skip that objective either
>>722345246I once believed that we would never get a PC port but here we are
>>722363937it's kinda weird that choosing to leave him to die is the option that gains you bravery isn't it? Feels like it should be the other way around. It's kinda the 'bad' option too because he remembers it and calls you out on it later at fort ziekden.
>>722364117>crowit's supposed to be a parrot because it's the mimicry class
>>722345883>Yeah the guy with demon horns and it's bloated like a balloon sounds reasonable :)
>>722345246>Unicorn OverlordPC release when
>>722364326>vanillaware game>on PClol
Is there any known reason why the War of the Lions stuff isn't in the new version?It would've seemed the natural thing to keep in whatever was in the previous newest port>>722364270I guess the logic is that it has your team pursuing their objectives with conviction and without compromise
>>722332013Don't trust browns
>>722364375It will happen someday.
>>722363508The way it sounds is that he used his smarts to pick up the aftermath of the war, and with so many nobles dead while he himself was willing to pick off any bastards that still remained, he used the king position to essentially seize a good future for Ivalice even if he was essentially a dark-hearted bastard in doing it. Delita probably kept to his ideals of fighting for the people to the end instead of himself, and that alone separates him from nearly everyone else but Ramza's own group
>>722364434yeah, those 2 fucks can't hit a damn thing
>>722364285in my defense corvids also mimicand it looks like the minstrel show crows from the end of dumbo to me
>>722364412wotl dlc content
>>722364412>Is there any known reason why the War of the Lions stuff isn't in the new version?The director is retarded. Modders are fixing it.
>>722364462The fact that it hasn't happened already is a tragedy. Vanillaware is leaving money on the table because Kamitani is afraid nobody knows how to port to PC and he feels the need to do it himself/his staff, even when Sega, who have gotten not just RGG but fucking Atlus to make solid ports, dragging the latter by the hair kicking and screaming into modernity.
>>722364168Rafa you just need to expect her to immediately charge to her death and be fast enough to go first.
>>722364590I agree but the retarded boomers will fade out eventually.>Atlus>solid portswhoa now anon dont' get ahead of yourself
>>722364412It wasn't content made by him and isn't included in his vision of FFT.
>>722332013>Only the first game>Lacking WotL stuff>Shitty filter over the whole game>$50Why would anyone buy this when they could just emulate?
>>722364590Oh right SEGA publishes Atlus stuff outside Japan. Might as well try to get into switch emulation then.
>>722364787>voice acting, hard mode, widescreen, new era of mods whichwill fix those removals
>>722364787we'll have to see what the game gets in the longterm because if modders can crack this wide open it could very well be the definitive edition of the game.
>>722364870Widescreen and voice acting mean nothing to me because it is a tactical RPG so screen real estate hardly matters, and I do not require voice acting to keep my attention as I was born before 9/11.
>>722363125He ended the civil war, became king and brought about a "long reign of peace and prosperity". Given that Ivalice went from one giant war to another, it's a pretty big deal that the upjumped king brought a long period of peace.
>>722364661Well, the Sega era ones were fine given the games they came from before (Valkyria, Persona, etc) or got a parity release for the later elements. I mean, Sega got Atlus to get P4Golden out of vita jail, HD refreshed, and released it on Steam for a pittance, sold a fortune despite all of the previous Atlus hand wringing about BUT BUT NOBODY ON PEEECEEE WILL KNOW AND BUY IT SEGA-SAN. Then Sega doing the same thing again yelling >LOOK RETARD YOU TOOK FOREVER TO BRING P5 ROYAL TO PC BUT NOW THAT I FORCED YOUR HAND WHAT HAPPENED>I"M SORRY SEGA-SAN IT SOLD IT SOLD A LOT IT SOLD>THATS GODDAMN RIGHT NOT SHUT THE FUCK UP AND NO MORE OF THIS GARBAGE ANYMORE EVER SINCE YOU HAD YOUR CATHERINE CLASSIC EDITION MELT DOWN I"VE BEEN TIRED OF CLEANING UP YOUR BULLSHIT. DONT FUCK UP AND EVERYTHING WILL BE FINEOf course other Sega owned studios like RGG were much less whiny and were more >Wow, we had no idea that PC gamers in the West wanted our very Japanese games but now that we see this is the longest and most devoted fanbase with long tail sales, every future game gets day 1 on Steam, thanks Sega-san, we make a good team!
>>722362220To be fair, there's 3 version of ultima in the game, it's just that you only get to learn the weakest one.
>>722364787Did people actually like it, though?I've played WotL doesn't of times, but aside from Luso and Balthier, I hardly dabble in any of its exclusive content. I guarantee you most of the playerbase has never tried the multiplayer stuff or bothered with the extra jobs.
>>722365261..is that the case? I don't remember originally and maybe I' mgetting something mixed up, but doesn't Orlandu basically have a screen-wide ultima attack as well as unique sword techs or whatever the fuck it was?
>>722365161>iven that Ivalice went from one giant war to another, it's a pretty big deal that the upjumped king brought a long period of peace.not really, both wars basically completely wiped out every noble or influential figure in the entire kingdom, and considering no outside kingdom took advantage of the upheaval to invade probably means everyone else was even more fucked than Ivalice was if they couldn't take advantage of the situation.
>>722365223VC1 was pretty good but all of the SMT ports are messed up.
>>722365280I liked the extra Algus fight personally
>>722365280dark knight would've probably been very popular if not for the insane requirements to unlock it.
>>722356362Steal Weapon and Steal Heart are both extremely good, though.
>>722365380Are they? I never saw many issues with P4G, or P3Remake (not sure about portable on Steam), P5R etc. Older games sometimes had limits but that was like the >we tied physics to the framerate, so not it cant go above 60fps or else shit gets wonkyengine stuff JP devs used to console did when making the game, not bad port issues or anything but something inherent to the game itself that would be more than unfucking the port.
It's pretty crazy how much bloodshed could've been avoided if they'd just captured Weigrafs sister and swapped with Delitas
>>722332013Do the ends justify the means?
>>722365631Turns out it kinda did in the end, sorta.
>>722365549tbf 5 might be good I never paid attention to it. I was talking about the game's themselves though. >bad remakes/remasters>denuvo
>>722343580It's intelligently written, in-world, politics, similar to Game of Thrones. The politics are all in service of the story/characters and the entertainment of the player. No modern-day bullshit here.
>>722365280Multiplayer would’ve been great with some actual internet functionality a la Steam instead of local shit
>>722365446Yeah, that's the thing - most of the WotL stuff just innocuous, grindy late game content.I'd rather just have the base gameplay tweaked to fix some of its more egregious balancing issues and difficulty spikes.
>>722364787this is like the 23rd time you've made this same postLOL
>>722365668That's an entirely different discussion than porting but okay. >remakes/remastersMost of Sega studio titles are done reasonably well for remake or remaster , or something entirely separate. Same with ports. >denuvoYeah, that's annoying. Typically they remove it after the first year or so, but if this is what it takes to get JP devs to give day 1 PC releases and other parity stuff then its a begrudging price to pay, especially if its only going to be there for 6 months or whatever. RGG is still making bank off Yakuza 0 - 6 selling on sale for $8 or some shit so its not like it only works if they keep denuvo active.
>>722365905>Most of Sega studio titles are done reasonably well for remake or remasterright...
>>722365446>>722365823I think if they were doing the overhauls and updates of the Ivalice chronicles, they should have included all the stuff added in WotL and then more. Charging for a definitive edition should not not lack content but SE is massively uneven with this, like the goddamn "pixel remaster" lacking content that previous versions of the game had in other iterations, notably FFIII and especially FFIV (where the PSP version is the definitive 2D version, and the 3D remake is perhaps the definitive version overall - except you have to mod in JP audio on PC) .
>>722366035not him but my no.1 complaint remains the addition of applause to Lucy's curtain raise, completely demolished the ambience for those bits
>>722365897I'm not your schizo boogeyman, idiot. This is the first time I posted in one of these threads.>inb4 yup uh-huh whatever you say man LOLStay schizophrenic.
>>722366035>mostDoes not meant all. Also lighting fuckups are both the easiest things to fix but unfortunately the most common to happen these days, when someone tries to cram something made decade(s) ago into whatever UE and Nvidia renderer they are told will make it sparkle.
>>722366139even replies the same. Nobody buys it, RETARDfuck off
What is this talk about balance changes?Have they made late game classes (dark knight, dancer/bard, calculator) aviable before post game?Are shields worth a shit now?Are buff spells still a bitch to land?
>>722365796Before the game came out i was thinking it was a shame it didn't have some kind of online multiplayer. But now that i remember what it's like to play, i'm not sure how that would actually work with how long turns can take in an srpg. Like local multiplayer where you can chat with your pal sure, but i doubt matching with randos online would be fun.Some kind of asynchronous pvp would be fun though where you go through a gauntlet of other people's teams (ai controlled). Lots of games use that model where if you e.g go 10 wins before getting knocked out, your team gets uploaded and used against someone else on their 10th match of their run.That said, there's probably also a factor where they don't want the sentiment around a beloved classic to be tainted by all the screeching about balance that pvp would introduce.
>>722365905RGG 0-7 are an exception. Sega seems to have some legacy deal with Irdeta or something as most of their titles have had denuvo for years.
>>722332013>I got this.Why was everyone upset at him? He said 'he got this'. And he did. Became a great king and unfucked the nation, as seen in Vagrant Story.
>>722332013A throne of lies is lonely and unfulfilling, and history will one day vindicate virtue?
>>722366545It's mostly because he only achieved that thanks to Ramza killing off like 90% of his opposition and the latter went down in history as a villain and heretic instead.
>>722365363Orlandu gets to attack with that Holy blade in a line attack.... no Ultima
>>722366545Didn't Matsuno say that Vagrant Story wasn't actually related, he was just name-dropping stuff as fan service?
>>722366602revisionist scum
>>722363974AI thread
>>722365412That was the only thing in WotL I thought was a real mistake. That and making Dark and Onion Knight basically infeasible to use.
>>722366749I think he said something to the effect of how VS isn't really meant to be seen as part of Ivalice in the same way like FFT/FF12 etc etcStill it does get acknowledge as an Ivalice game either way
>>722366672All right maybe I was misremembering (maybe I was thinking of the Vandal Hearts' secret class character who had a very overpowered ability that was screenwide) but I do remember him basically being able to solo the entire battle more or less. Also>Look up who they got to voice him in the JP Ivalice Chronicles versionOkay Square, you did ONE thing right at least.
>>722352572I suppose the intended no cheese way to do it was to actually pay attention to elements. There are armors that neutralize Holy and Earth damage, so he can only do basic attacks and aura blast
>>722366780>t. Church official still salty that the plan to engineer a civil war and seize unilateral control of the nation got thwarted by a squire and a poor person
>>722332013Using and manipulating people may work but isn't right and could have karmic repercussions.History may not acknowledge your good deeds but they are still the right thing to do.War only benefits the rich.People are equal regardless of class.Don't let demons infiltrate your church.Evil men can and will be in positions of power within your government and church.
>>722365905sega doesn't remove denuvo. valkyria chronicles 4 has had it for 8 years and p4g almost as long. I refuse to buy games with denuvo so it's pretty annoying. I spent decades waiting for console games to get ported to pc and now I'm going to be waiting another decades more for denuvo to die so everyone is forced to remove it.
>>722332013>tanks a black mage flare spell to the face>dies by tiny knife while being level 100 and wearing full armor
>>722367505I remember doing the math on the cost of denuvo for VC4 after the prices leaked and it was funny.
>>722367496>Don't let demons infiltrate your churchThis is a bullshit callout and you know it.
>>722367631What do you mean?
>>722367606pointless math since Sega cut a deal before those numbers were set
>>722367569>unit has low faith>magic does less damage because they don't believe in it
>four mimes>one unit with squire/monk abilities>squire uses focus >all the mimes copy it powering them up as the battle goes on>use chakra to have all the mimes self heal when neededI fucking love this game.
>>722367505based wait chad
>>722367838Also works with three mimes and two units spamming focus so you get more power per turn.
>>722367796>unit has 0 faith>takes 0 damage from spells, even healing spellsbased robo
>>722367792that's an assumption
why was the mathematician the most OP class?
>>722368392they're a little less busted now because of the 20% damage nerf on top of the 20% for tactician, but free no mp instant cast Flares is retarded
>>722368392>don't mind me, just killing every single unit on the map in one turn by myself
>>722368392Cause math is the ultimate magic
>>722364412>Is there any known reason why the War of the Lions stuff isn't in the new version?dlc nigga
>>722364787>Shitty filter over the whole gamemodders are already removing the filters
>>722350102I want to fuck Keira. Why does everyone have brown eyes?
>>722368607MAJIK ROONS, LADDY!!
need more alma in my life
>>722367496>People are equal regardless of class.Did we play the same Game? 90% of everyone's awful, but that 10% exception are all nobles. Best commoner is Mustadio and hes exceptionally neutral in all things.
>>722369335commoners usually don't spend years at war academy training in holy sword arts
>>722369462Skill issue.
>>722369462what about coomers
>>722369462I meant personality wise, also combat though.
>>722369539I hate this so much it's unreal. Mainly becuase would.
>>722369539>No arrogant haughty noble female antagonist Damn....
So what’s the church’s end goal here? If they revive Ultima it’s pretty much going to destroy the world right? Do they realize that or have they all been corrupted and actually want that?
>>722369539suddenly I crave for a big glass of milk
>>722369539Come on, now. Don't turn Yoshida's art style into a shitty AI slop template.
>>722368392Because no charge time, no mp cost, no range restrictions. Set up right, you could clear the map in a single action.
>>722369908historically when a church or cult want everybody dead it's because they believe their faith will save them only and they will be happy forver
Guys I’m too much of a brainlet to figure out how calculators work.
>>722370024This literally just happened with rapture believers, boy do they look even stupider than usual
>>722369908I'm sure it was mostly because of their faith more than anythingIf they revive God then God would surely reward them...it's just in this case they didn't realize "God" would fuck up Ivalice
>>722369908Big titty goth gf from the devil.
The truth will always be revealed
>>722334963PILGRIM
Should I play this or wait for sale?
>>722370080you just press the buttons you retard
>>722370080let A be the set of all units on the field. the skills hit a subset B that fulfills a criterion
>>722369973Haha it's been my hobby for years at this point. I think only death will stop me from doing it.
>>722370093that's also what Scientologists believe and they are now more dangerous than ever
>>722343580radical centrist
>>722332013that you should KYSwhile riding towards the sunset
>>722370191I mean, they DID give Elmedor two big titty ultima demon girlfriends, so kinda.
>>722343580
>>722340838that's not a schizo theory it makes the most sense and much more sense than Ramza and Alma randomly riding by. olan is a historian and his recording the truth of ramza and letting him die in reality and live in perpetuity heroically is the exact opposite of delita who "wins" in this life and loses in perpetuity.keeping ramza alive is a retarded retcon but you get cool FFXIV crossover events so it's totally worth it.
>>722369973too late, people have been posting this slop for awhile now
>>722370442Is Gaffgarion unironically true neutral?
>>722370578ill be honest, i thought id eventually figure out what the difference between left and right is by seeing examples i find naturally. its been over 30 years and i still havent figured it out.
>>722370345I… don’t understand what that means.
Why can't you see when a jump is going to land on the timeline before you commit to it? It's nice having that on spells, but i still gotta do CT math in my head for jumps.
>Wiegraf is a left wing hero because he targets the corrupt nobles and fights for justice and equality for the poor and disenfranchised>also he sells his soul to a literal demon to accomplish his goalsWhat the FUCK did they mean by this?
>>722370943>muh left wing>muh right wingshut the FUUUUUCK UPPPPPPPPPP
God, there's so many game I wanna fucking play this fall and I just don't have the time. I just finished Silksong a few days ago, I'm trying hard to finish pic related up, and then there's this game and Hades II. God DAMN it.
>>722367483Why does this game hate Jews so much?
>>722371413The only people that don't hate jews are either jewish or ignorant.
>>722371413Everyone hates the jewsThe jews fear the samurai.
shut the fuck up and summon more spirits, whore
>>722371216I feel ya. I'm working through Trails 1st and Hades 2 and just loving both.
>>722332013This game brings up two contradictory ideas that it never reconciles:>the Lucavi are actual demons trying to invade the world of man; they possess humans using the auracite and are enacting a plan to resurrect their leader and make it so they can come and go into the mortal realm without needing a medium>the auracite is an artifact that responds to the will and nature of its owner; corrupt men are twisted into monstrosities of their own making. there are no real gods or angelsWhich is it?
>>722371787why not both? there is no real gods or angels, but the lucavi are real but can only manifest via auracite when used by corrupt men.
>>722371572You should know better than to raise Faith that high.
>>722371787the zodiac stones are holy relics that were used to seal the lucavi into them by 12 heroes of history. the church did some rewrite of the legend of the 12 heroes by inserting st ajora as their leader and conveniently leaving out the part about the stones being able to possess people cause even back then the church was corrupt. if you wanna add in ff12 lore, the gods are real but their connection to humanity was severed by humans cause most of the gods essentially treated humanity as playthings.
What’s the implication of every samurai sword having spirits in them?
>>722372362muramasa was a fun game
>>722372362They are The Spirits Within.
You wouldn't a sad lonely Dark Knight, right /v/?
>>722372362old japanese folklore about yokai possessing cursed blades
>>722372253I never finished FFXII, but didn't it recently get retconned into just being a play?
>>722372509I would
>>722371572why is the font in demakes always so unsettling
>>722371787Are you making the assumption that 12 and Tactics are linked in any way other than the world sharing the name of Ivalice?
>>722372563It's less of a retcon and more of just a fun little framing device for the crossover raids in XIV, I don't think it's supposed to be canon to the original ivalice setting
>>722371787Dude, why did St. Ajora turn into an angel chick?
>>722368595I see someone else is a person of culture that put math skills on a female white mage for maximum calculus.
>>722372580you guys have the most retarded complaints
Is Agrias a virgin?
>>722372563The FFXIV Ivalice stuff is not canon to the Ivalice games, it's only canon to FFXIV's world.
>>722337521this>that scraps story boarddamn shame, ffta was such a let down
>>722372586No, I'm talking about what's in Tactics itself.>Cuchulain says God isn't real>he still claims to be Delacroix even after transforming>that whole scene where the stone responds to Rapha and resurrects her brother
>>722372796yes
>>722372662It's hot.
>>722372990I mean the stone being able to revive someone isn't that far fetched, curative magic already exists in universe, the stone could've just used an amped up version of Life to actually revive someone who was stone cold dead. none of the things you point out are contradictory
>>722371787my first crush
>>722372990the stone itself isnt an evil thing, its just that it was used to contain an evil thing but you fucking killed it already so its just a regular holy stone again.
>>722362415>FF2 is the weakest Ultima in the series, it is supposed to scale with all your skill levels but the values are too low (it might be bugged?) to be useful EVERThat's only in the original release. Every future version fixed Ultima.
>>722372662wasn't it because alma was being possessed as a vessel at that point? That skeleton form it takes after alma gets expelled is probably closer to its 'real' appearance.
>>722372990>he still claims to be Delacroix even after transformingI always assumed that was just demonic mindgames, given what becomes of Wiegraf in personality
>>722370708Maybe? He feels personal disgust at the depravity of the upper classes, but rejects any notion of doing the right thing in favor of pursuing wealth as a mercenary, but still has enough genuine interest in Ramza's wellbeing that he tries to get the kid to back down, even when Dycedarg wants him dead.
>thief leveled for stealing rare/unique items>orator for inviting monsters>low brave treasure finderany other 'utility' setups i need in order to not miss out on cool stuff?
>>722373356if that's the case.. would that mean male ajora would have been wearing that same bikini armor?
>>722368392Even when I banned Math as a secondary and banned using high level spells, Calculator still gives you ungodly levels of battlefield control. Even with the job being unbelievable slow, you can still bog down half the enemy team. Even a simple Immobilize on a few enemies can just decide a fight right then and there. I don't know how you could balance Math Skill properly.
>>722368392I brought the Arithmetician into the execution battle at the end of chapter 2 just now. She wiped out six enemies at once, without any friendly fire.SixEnemiesAt once
>>722373506you can just save scum broreload midbattle
>>722373824it's the power of common core math, you don't know how it works but it works
>>722372882The what?
What’s the most interesting new dialogue added?
>>722368392>RELIGION BAD>SCIENCE GOODgist of the game
I… HATE… COMMONERS…! *dies harder*
>>722370364giga based, what model do you use?Also is it using ComfyUI?
>>722374567t. Algus
>>722374060Izlude going full armchair psychologist caught me completely off guard
>>722374594I use a lot of models and loras and I use Forge.
>>722374060many.you have to bring mustadio, agrias, orlandu in most story battles
>>722374060probably when cid drops the n word
>>722374719>more characters acknowledging that Ramza is a bastard childInteresting
>>722374786SDXL / Qwen / Wan2.2 / SD3 ?
>>722375358SDXL, illustrious models these days
I blurted out "kino" when Chadadio pulled this off
