HDD users (15% of Steam users) are actively bringing down the PC experience and causing increases game filesizes by refusing to upgrade to an SSD.
Based HDDGODS. We need to ACCELERATE until games are 1TB each
>6 million dollar>6 million?
>>722333876Good. Optimize your games.
>>722333876>We have to optimize to reduce overall install sizeWhoa... new discoveries every day...
bullshit
I understand where they're coming from. I'm using a HDD right now, but only because my SSD is 250GB and mostly occupied by the OS. It is a pain when I can't run a game on my HDD but I can't deny the advancement of technology since I ordered my PC and I get that I need to switch to an SSD
There's a HDD in my computer but there's also 4 SSDs. I wonder if I count as a HDD user on the steam survey
That entire blog sounds like they are genuinely retarded and didn't do any research whatsoever when doing this supposed "optimizing", but then again they are using an ancient barely fucking working engine as well so yes I am just going to assume that arrowhead are technically incompetent as fuck
>>722333876>Blaming users instead of Devs Fucking retarded muttDon't bring your brainwashed infighting to gaming too
>>722333876>actively bringing down the PC experience and causing increases game filesizes by refusingThat isnt how that works retard.
>>722334396Read the blog, they literally did do that.
>>722334367Consoles have come with SSDs for 5 years now. It's time to catch up, PCfag.
>>722333876yup, im not upgrading
>>722334463>trusting the word of the swedeI seriously hope you do not do such a thing.
>>722334320yeah I have two storage HDD for just media and a lot of general programs.but all games go on a very fast SSD that is only used for games with a handful of other older SSD's that used to be the fastest option and an smaller fast OS SSD.HDD are still very useful and valuable, not everything I use on my computer needs a fast loading time and some of it takes a lot of space, no HDD only SSD is kind of odd to me.
>>722334656So you didn't read any of the OPs text, made an assumption, then when called out you accused the text (which you seemingly still haven't read) of being lies?
Literally sub console hardware, poorfags are a cancer.
>>722334656Are you retarded? I read their blog and all I can see is that they are technically incompetent because they are using a dogshit discontinued engine while also prioritizing the complete opposite of what they should be focusing on. But if you are using a HDD in 20 fucking 25 you are also just as retarded as they are.
They're just fucking lying and shifting the blame to HDD rather than owning up to the fact they didn't optimize ANYTHING Just like literally every current year developer
>>722334367Kys euro rat
>>722333876Virtually every modern game demands an SSD, so that's not true.
>>722334782you are actually retarded yourself if you don't have any hdd in your system at all.
>Couldn't we make HD 4k Textures an optional download?>Well we could of courseSo why don't they? Even Bethesda managed that for Skyrim, so did Gearbox
>>722335139SSDs are>cheap>significantly faster>last longer>make less noise>much smaller physical sizeSo no I will not purchase HDDs ever again. People defending HDDs are the equivalent of those CRT loving cultists.
Tossed away my last HDD about a decade ago. I miss them about as much as I miss cassette tapes, floppy disks, CD-roms or any other obsolete formats
>>722333876>HDD's are why file sizes are so large!This is pure cope and can't be applied to the entire industry.
>>722334759>>722334782No, I read and saw it was the same platitudes Arrowhead constantly make and then are proven undeniably wrong by people who actually play their games (Arrowhead has said it takes too much time out of their day to ever playtest). They have been doing this for two years now with Helldivers. Do not trust what they say. They will say ANYTHING to try and claw back PR.
>>722335139You're fucking stupid if you have any HDD in your gaming computer in 2025Build a fucking server like an adult to store your porn and media
>>722333876it's honestly not hard to detect if a drive is a hdd or an ssd and adjust the installation accordingly
>>722335198Engine too old.
>we need to force data duplication for everyone cause uuuh the 1%why not disable it for ssd users, make it an option
>>722335236>cheaplol>significantly fasteryes>last longerlol>make less noiseI don't know what kind of 90s HDDs you had but I haven't heard my HDD make a noise in almost 2 decades>much smaller physical sizeirrelevant
SSDs are a psyop, you're just gaslighting yourself into buying overpriced storage.Buy 10 1TB HDD for $15 each and be happy instead of spending $600 on peanuts to jerk off about how you're loading 0.01 microseconds faster than everyone else.
>>72233387612% of the people that actually did the survey on steam have reported an HDD. This is like those images of surveys people post where it turns out that they only asked 100 people in a single region of a city. Yes I know this is a bait thread since /v/ likes talking shit.
If you don't have at least an SSD boot drive in 2025 you are dumb as bricks.
>should we load up assets when loading the area?>no, let's have the engine find the data and load it as needed>oh wait, this causes lag if people are still using HDDs>ok, instead of loading assets when loading an area, we'll duplicate all the assets and create multiple streams of data so the asset we might need will most likely get loaded soonFriendly reminder that in the 2000's many games would load stuff off of the CD/DVD as the game was playing, and it was limited to CD/DVD read speeds. These people can't figure out how to solve an issue that was solved 20 years ago.
>>722333876Is it really that hard to have an optional box you tick under the game properties to enable potato computer mode?
>>722335285I will continue to play games on a craptop with an HDD just to spite niggers like you.
>>722335545The actual solution is you buy an SSD computer, and HDD external drivesYou shouldn't be running a game off an external drive anyways.
>>722335545>Buy 10 1TB HDD for $15 eachsure thing buddy, name the chinese off brand
>>722333876that is self-contradictory. if the problem is seek times that means they are loading a bunch of smaller files so that seeking becomes a disproportionate amount of the operational time. but if they are duplicating small files then the size increase won't be meaningful. on the other hand, if the amount of data is large, then seek times won't be meaningful compared to the actual loading.the only way they would have both long seek times and large data sets is if their packaging is completely unoptimized, like they have every single texture as its own file instead of in a sequential archive. if that's the case, it's their fault for being retards.
>>722333876Cloud is the future. You will no longer own a pc nor game.
>>722335734Man when you put it like that it sounds kind of like you're saying chuds are correct and that developers are talentless lazy DEI hires
you can smell the curry in this thread
>>722335262I used to collect obsolete media but, after moving a few times i finally binned it. It just started to look like i was hording junk after awhile.
>>722334463Devs doing something doesn't make it the best way to do that thing. That should be obvious in the current generation of UE5 monstrosities. This is just another case of dev time/effort vs results.Managing what assets to pack together (so you don't have seektimes) and which to load when costs dev time. You can either optimize nothing and dump it all on one huge pile (which costs performance), lazily dump every asset you use in a level on a pile (which costs disk space) or properly optimize it (which costs dev time.) As is glaringly obvious devs (or more likely their handlers) are allergic to the last option so the only recourse they have is bloating the install size to an extreme amount or demand a fast SSD for minimal settings.Bloating the game is the best scenario for the devs: they don't have to do any work, they have a scapegoat they can blame and they don't lose any sales by having to up minimal system requirements.
>>722335236>cheap a 4TB one is still over $300 here
I will replace my HDDs with SSD when they fail and SSDs are cheaper at that point
>>722335912>like they have every single texture as its own file instead of in a sequential archiveThese devs have an armour menu selection everyone assumed showed .pngs. No, they actually show over two dozen individually rendered 3D models.
why cant there be a tiered system of ssd and hdd where slow data and large data is stored on the HDD while constant fetching data is stored on ssd in some 80/20 rule
>>722336475could to sort it so main game is installed on a hddthen a free DLC which is the texture and soundpacks intstalled to a ssd
>>722335912couldnt you just have a larger pak file of compressed stuff dumped into ram everyone has 16gb now so u have 13 or so to do whatever with
Just put a now loading messageI don't give a fuck
>>722335236>cheaphahaha, no pic related>last longerhahaha, they die faster than HDD who can keep going for 10 years or more
>>722335236>SSDs are cheapMentally handicapped. You can get 4x the storage for the same amount of price, regardless of budget, and if you're buying cheap SSDs they're not going to last longer than HDDs.
only 5% of people are running 4k and 80% of them are using upscaling not native. why even have 4k textures at all?just delete it, steam cloud storage is dirt cheap just upload a duplicated copy of the game for the 12% playing on HDDoffer optional downloads of SSD version and HDD versioncompress everything, audio textures. if the game was 20gb everyone would install it on a SSDThis half assed solution means no one wants to dump 150gb to a ssd
>>722337009SSDs last longer than HDD in a scenario where you actually use the damn things actively. Obviously if you just slap files on a HDD and then don't actively use it it will last longer, but in realistic use cases SSDs will outlive HDDs.
>>722333876I've never heard of a developer tripling their game size to increase load times for HDDs.
>>722334278Nigger get a nvme and a external shell, and connect it through a thunderbolt port to your PC, its way faster than any HDD.
>>722337009>hahaha, they die faster than HDD>4TB 990 proCheap SSDs don't last forever but let's be honest here. You can write 500GB to that drive every single day for the next 10 years and not hit the TBW.
>>722333876every time these retarded swedes release some announcement or update i question how they even managed to create something remotely as good as hd2
>>722333876I don't give a shit what retarded Swedes think
Why even bother with PC gaming at this point if you are still using HDDs as anything but storage?I used to play Total War Warhammer 2 off of a HDD because I was holding out on upgrading and once I made the switch I couldn't imagine going back, going from loading times measured in minutes to those of seconds was mindblowing.Not that I'm defending dev incompetence.
>>722337210i have a MLC its at 50% life left due to exessive caching and writes by microsoft and chromejust daily browsing causes about 1tb to be written theres no flag to stop it.you cant outbuy pajeet coding
>>722337138Even at the best of times, 4k isn't a crazy noticeable difference from 2k. Add in the fact that HD2 has really smeary AA (to the point where they amped it up for a month and it tanked player count) and in most missions volumetric fog covers 90% of the screen.
>>722333876It's neat that they continue to stand by their stated min specs, I suppose. But this actually isn't an issue for new games, because they all just write "SSD required" in their specs.
>>722337407>i have a MLC its at 50% life left due to exessive caching and writes by microsoft and chromeAnon coming in with the Vertex 2, leave some pussy for the rest of us.
>>722335236>>last longerlmao >SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED>1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x002f 200 200 051 Pre-fail Always - 0>5 Reallocated_sector_ct 0x0033 196 196 140 Pre-fail Always - 31>9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 001 001 000 Old_age Always - 128514
Niggers dont know about putting HDDs in RAID lmao
>>722337138>why even have 4k textures at all?Because, as the devs put it:>It would be a substantial project to add this capability (making 4k textures optional)It's mind boggling to me that a texture detail option is "substantial project" for anyone that's not some solo indie dev.
>>722337320>cheap>300 eurosso what kind of SSD's are you buying anon, ones worth 500 or 600 ? that's the price of a console
>>722337860>5 drives with dogshit HDD speed will be better than 1 drive with dogshit HDD speedNot really
>>722337892I'm not saying the 990 pro is a cheap drive. I'm saying the opposite, and it's not going to die faster than an HDD.
>>722337961>nigger doesn't know about RAID
>>722337365I moved to SSD for Starfield, ended up being an awful game but the boost from SSD really was amazing, and a good thing too because not long after that my HDD started failing (my OS was already on a tiny little boot SSD), just a shame my dumbass didn't start backing things up when it first started acting funny. my dumbass also forgot that sava data for most things was still ending up on the boot drive so when I lost that drive I never did part 2 of a game I was playing because I thought I would have to go through a bunch of part 1 again for context, when I finally realised it turned out I was 2 mouse clicks away from the end to get a couple bits of dialogue that didn't really matter anyway
>>722337860What's raid going to do for your seek times, nigger?
>>722338478Now you've achieved an SSD's price with a fraction of its speed and a multiplied failure rate. Lol. Lmao.
>>722333876While I don't use them, gets three possible reasons as to why people still use HDDs:>SSDs, especially NVMEs, are still like 10x the price of an HDD of equal size>games are getting so big that fitting more than two is becoming a challenge>the PCIe format for NVMEs changes damn near every single year, which mandates a motherboard upgrade too (and SSDs using any older format vanish immediately)
>>722333876I've got 2 SSDs, and 1 HDD512GB (OS SSD)2TB (Games,SSD)4TB (Torrent files, ROMs for various consoles, Steam backup, HDD)
>>722335734This is how they solved it 20 years ago, and now we are at the point where asset sizes are so big that the 100x read speed advantage hdd have over optical media is irrelevant.
>>722335912You have absolutely no control over how your files lay out over a users hard drive... if the users hard drive is fragmented to fuck, then your files are going to be fragmented to fuck, regardless of if you put them all in one big archive or not. There isnt physical room on the disk to lay it out contiguously.
>>722333876Some ancient laptop that is still using Steam is not relevant for modern games.
>>722337009That's a top of the line NVME drive
>>722338795>the PCIe format for NVMEs changes damn near every single year, which mandates a motherboard upgrade too (and SSDs using any older format vanish immediately)Pcie is backwards compatible, you don't have to upgrade. The SSD will just be limited by your current mobo's speed.
>>722334681Your fastest ssd would be better used for the os, games don't take advantage of ssd's faster than around the basic range anyway,until directstorage becomes more than a meme at least
>>722338795?? M2 nvme has been around for at least 6 or 7 years in common usage. The PCIE spec is irrelevant, 5 will downclock to 1 if you only have a pcie 1 nvme slot available.SATA nvme was a form factor that barely even got used and it was obviously dead on arrival anyway.
>>722337009I bought a 4TB 990 pro for roughly that price a few months ago, and a 2TB 9100 Pro for my OS drive only cost 180$ so I dunno what those prices are about
>>722339234>if the users hard drive is fragmented to fuckAnd if the user pours syrup in the cpu fan it's going to overheat and throttle. Why the fuck bring up user error and pretend that's the norm?
They could have set an option on game start-up that checks your drive speed and if it isn't fast enough starts duplicating files for 20 minutes or something for HDD-fags.I also suspect they don't debloat their gamesize so people do not uninstall the game
1TB NVME is 50€, idk why the devs are still even making games for regular HDDs
>>722333876Helldivers 2 devs were saying a month ago that the reason why duplicated files was because it was easier for the dev teams they have to have their own copy of assets and that it got out of hand. Now they're saying it's the users fault. Why is this becoming more common in games where devs act like its our fault? Borderlands 4 just did this shit.
>>722338795based tech illiterate retard
>>722333876Literally nobody runs modern games from mechanical drives, what cope is this.
>>722335540>I don't know what kind of 90s HDDs you had but I haven't heard my HDD make a noise in almost 2 decadesLike a pin dropping. It's particularly lowd when I'm just web browsing and all fans are off. I hate it.My brother put his stupid nas right next to my desk.
ITT HDDs are fine, nobody NEEDS more than 640k and AVX remains a scam.
>>722339558Are you American? Pc parts are much more expensive in Europe
>>722340530>My brother put his stupid nas right next to my desk.What a chad, enjoying his ample storage space while the beta brother seethes in anger about SSDs.
>>722339697NVME drives remain expensive in china and india.
>>722339774>t. not a premium gamer
>>722341007>nobody NEEDS moreThis is an ssd poorfag argument, not an hdd user one.It's always brought up by people who can barely afford 1 ssd whenever someone comments they use both ssds and hdds together.
If you use an SSD then I have some bad news for you, you fell for it.Worse performance, less storage, will likely die within 2 or 3 years, mostly made and pushed for by Jewish and Israel adjacent corporations. Good goy, pay more for less!
>>722333876Nah pretty sure its the games being made for decade old consoles and then lazily ported over to PC that causes this stagnation in gaming.
>>722341651Sure is summer in here
>>722341116sucks to be you.
last game i installed was 414MB and i think that is kind of bloated for the kind of title it wasjust imagine that half a gig and it's thousands of times more entertaining than your 350GB cinemaslop
>>722342036>le slop bloated slop slop sybau lmao
>>722334463>retarded dev of a horribly optimised game does retarded decisions that literally no other game does, claims it's "the standard" and forces it on all their users
>>722342614brown
REMEMBER:If their answer is "it's the consumer's fault", they are retarded and coping. There are no exceptions.
>>722333876My Kingston KC3000 2TB NVMe SSD cost 70€. There is no excuse to use a HDD for vidya.
So you're saying gamefreak were misunderstood pioneers in gen 6 and 7?
>>722343921What's the context here
My 5400rpm HDD is fine, maybe the helldiver devs should unfuck their shit hmmmmmmmmm?
>>722342921Aren't you the poor one, lil guy afraid of spending a wittle gigabyte on a game?
SSDs are still unreliable so no, shan't be upgrading.
It's funny how so many modern /v/tards just swallows dev dick without question.
>>722345068Hellniggers specially can't even login into their account without shitting themselves.
>>722344918Schizophrenic sour grapes nonsense.
>>722337295>thunderbolt portok 4th worlder
I strongly believe we need to push gaming requirements even further, and apply them retroactively. Nothing would be more based that relegating third worlders to making things for me. Why are they wasting time playing games?
>>722333876these guys need to stop being pussies about this shit, a 1tb SSD is like $50 and I guarantee there will be lower prices during black friday sales in a monthI'd rip off the bandaid and tell people to get an SSD, buy a console or go fuck themselvesI've being using SSDs for like 13 years now and I didn't even consider myself an early adopter back when I first got oneget with times or get left behind
>>722337365I moved to SSD in 2018 and even then I was late to the party.Friends don't let friends use HDDs for OS or gaming.
>>722345497>I've being using SSDsSAAR PLEASE BOUGHTED THE SSD
>>722333876>it's the hdds, not the 6 gorillion gigs of assets such as textures and models for 10 different resolutions that you'll never useFuck game devs. Total game dev death.
AH too dumb to make 2 clients.
>>722337009this is one of the fastest SSDs on the marketyou can buy a random brand for half the price and not notice the difference in speed
I knew there were like 70% poorfag thirdies on /v/, reading this thread just confirms it.
>>722333876Couldn't they just use smaller assets?
>>722334278Why are you such a faggot? SSD prices are around 60 cents per gigabyte.
>>722337009LOL, my m.2 will last longer than your village.
>>722333876Based. I recently bought 4tb SSD, turned out it is a server HDD so no noise dampening at all, but man does it sound comfy reading and writing data. SSD is for os, I don't care if my game takes a minute to load.
>>722335262I still use casette tapes, floppy disks, and CDs.
>>722335236Good luck trying to recover data from ssd you doofus
>>722345704You see they need to make the asset binaries not modular because they need to write your ssd with useless crap so it dies faster. It doesn't matter that everything is digital only, so it's actually a good thing and it's based.
>>722345808lmao unc it isn't 1999 anymore get with the times and get a life fr
>>722345861ssds go into read only mode when they detect they're failing, retard-kun.
It is honestly incredible how people will avoid spending fifty dollars for an entire decade and make all sorts of rationalizations for why their misery is actually based
>>722345663With 4tb included? I don't think so
>>722345991Enterprise ones do. Consumers can just get fucked.
>>722346275Its a standard feature on all modern SSDs
>>722333876What's stopping them from adding an option for PC gamers to opt-out of the duplicate assets like how consoles have it?
>modern devs are notoriously bad at optimizing games>To the point where games like CoD or Halo take up 10-20% of a terabytes>Everyone has a problem with this, even fuels conspiracy theories about "storage wars" between games>Until Sony does it>Then it's A-OK!
>muh poor>muh grapesSSD owner here. Pushing for obligate upgrades so devs don't need to optimize makes you an unironic tool.
>>7223454971tb is nothing 1 game eg helldivers is 150gb, then you need 10gb of cache, then you need 100gb for windows 11, then u need 10gb for drivers for nvidia, then u need steam and discord and all other 3rd party apps which is 10gb. you probably are playing some unreal 5 game so you lose 500gb just there. so and so on and on u easily fill up 1tb with just basic daily necessities.if bloating keeps extrapolating at 10tb per year you will need 1 exabyte ssd by 2030
>>722346128Suffering build character
honestly don't care either waythe game is fun
>>722333876Did anyone actually read this and think they aren't retarded?HUR HUR WE MADE OUR GAME THREE TIMES BIGGER BECAUSE SEEK TIMES ON AUTOMATICALLY DEFRAGGED DRIVES HUR HUR WE SMURTBig files aren't magically contiguous in the first fucking place so the entire idea is retarded even assuming the drive WASNT automatically defragged.>>722334362Unironically making it harder to load by bloating file sizes and making it harder to defrag (finding a contiguous space to put it in)Unless they literally rewrote all device drivers and interfaces for HDD's they did nothing to solve an issue, they just created a giant shit post that probably wasted 20 hours of employee time to write up and have approved for shitposting.
>>722346501>they just created a giant shit post that probably wasted 20 hours of employee time to write up and have approved for shitposting.Based devs causing all this seethe for lols.
>>722345991Anon, don't post about something you don't know
>>722345949Nah
>>722335236My CRT could beat your LCD in a fight, so its better. My hard drive is bigger (physically) than your SSD so its better,
>>722346871My SSD is sure to win because its speed is superior.
>>722346501We all know swiggers are retarded, these are the same devs that didn't realize a very important mechanic for the automatons was non-functional for months after launch because the CEO was on vacations.
>>722346328Straight up false. The first SSD I've had die on me was bought 2 or 3 years ago and a large amount of files were unrecoverable. They show up in explorer but an attempt to copy them just stalls until it gives up.
>>722346346That's like a lot of work or something. They'd have to export multiple times or G-d forbid designed with modularity in mind, so it would be like extra cruncherino. That would like improve bandwith traffic, but choosing one res in the options menu is the best they can do. Please understand, they're doing their best.
>>722346165yesthese random drives go down way lower in price during sales than the premium brandsI have a viper ssd and that samsung 990 pro ssd, the difference isn't noticeable at all for gaming
>>722334367this. I ain't shelling out more money for storage so devs can skimp out on optimization. simple as
>>722337295>YOU MUST CONSOOOOOOOMDie, golem.
The real crime is consumers got stuck with sata that didn't evolve like sas does. SCSI IS ETERNAL.
>>722334026oy veystop noticing
>>722334278anonstop being a poorfageven 1TB SSDs are only like $80 these days
>>722335410That's a 6 million dollar question
>>722346993>Half of 285 is 190That's a bit of an exaggeration, don't you think? And that's ignoring disk prices are higher in general in Europeland.
>>722347075then they're just going to use more storage on your deviceyou're paying for their retardation one way or another
>>722347662I have it uninstalled until they optimize the storage so no, not really
>>722333876Companies blaming the people again. Every FUCKING time. >people are responsible for >trash islands>food waste>micro plastics>ultra processed food>low quality meat products and food products in general>being FAT>receiving lung cancer>smoking>movies being shit>huge game file sizes>corporations on the other hand try everything in their power to fulfil the demands of the people in moderation while also saving everyone and everything!
It's been 5 years since the ps5 and Xbox series consoles went to nvme flash storage.Unless the game is on old Gen (ps4/Xbone) like sonic crossworld then it should require an ssd.I'm tired of poorfags dragging us down with the rest of them.
>>722348645Sucking dev cock drags everything down in ways you're too stupid to imagine.
>>722348368>company offers a good product for more money>another company offers a bad product for less money>amerigolems buy the shitty product, and consoom more of it, both bankrupting the good company and turning themselves obese in the processyes, it is your fault. now suffer.
These massive game sizes exist just to punish dial up users.
>>722333876I have 32gb of ram. why cant I just load the whole game into ram?
Not going to "upgrade".Never needed to "upgrade" and never will need to "upgrade"
>>722350243Downloading a 150GB game with 56.6kbps would take almost a year.I don't miss the days of slow internet.
>>722350546>what is ramdisk
>>722350750it would still be the same bloated size
>>722350870but faster
>>722333876Plenty of games load important assets into RAM on a first load and will then drastically reduce load times on HDDs. Most don't have any issues keeping assets loaded in regular gameplay either. I can only assume they are throwing a shitfit over HDDgrugs because the entire game is a mess and needs to fling shit in and out of RAM constantly to barely function, thus needing fast storage. This game definitely doesn't look like it needs to stream massive assets constantly (and it shouldn't to begin with).
>>722333876>increases game filesizes by refusing to upgrade to an SSDwhat did he mean by this
>>722339091>now we are at the point where asset sizes are so big that the 100x read speed advantage hdd have over optical media is irrelevant.sounds like a failure on the part of the game devs for letting their asset sizes bloat for no meaningful graphical improvement
>>722351554They're trying to push an agenda instead of simply making the game playable.
>>722351495People using HDDs don't have much ram lol. Just thrash the page file as that is sure to work.
>>722352179And what reason or scenario would you ever need more than 8gb? Don't tell me, you're an industry shill.
>>722352274And what reason or scenario would you ever need more than 640k? Don't tell me, you're an industry shill.
>>722349742>source out the company's production into the third world to reduce its manufacturing costs significantly >keep the price up>the surplus goes to the CEO, and if it's public, to the shareholders>salaries have been stagnant for decades>the third world who now owns your production knowledge produces the same thing in lesser quality>sells it for a fraction of the original's price>the inferior clone breaks sooner, but has the same qualities as the original>the company and its bootlickers gasp in horror as they see that the people favour the shitty one>the original company reduce the quality to ensure even higher margins, closing the gap in sale losses>still not lowering the price>get irritated when the people still loyal to your brand have enough of your faggotry>cry out in pain and pay news outlets to print your fabricated delusion that the wealthy populace demands cheap high quality products produced in their country and you may have to cut jobs to survive
>>722352334Disingenuous straw-man. I accept your concession
>SSDs load everything lightning fast>Devs use this as a crutch to avoid optimizing loading>SSDs lightning fast load times are nullified and you get the same load times as using a HDD except you paid triple for half the storage space>Oh and also new games literally don't function on HDDs anymoreDrives are the biggest racket next to modern GPUs.
How fucking brown do you have to be to still use an HDD for anything but archiving?
>>722351807Are you a blind person? How have graphics not improved since the ps2 era? Thats the last time anything ran solely off an optical disc.
>>722334026Reference to the 6 Gorillion dollar man which was a popular boomer show
>>722333876so make an alternate version for ssd users, NEXT
>>722352179Most of them aren't running above 1080P either, so you're bound to not use much to begin with. Unless you suck as a developer of course.
>>722352792How many years do you have? I am suspect that you are an idiot and I want to be sure you are pretending to be white, Juan. You're brown 99% guarantee and you don't belong
They could just give users the option to download the HDD or the SSD client instead of forcing SSD users to use the poorfag version. It's not my fault 3rd worlders refuse to buy modern equipment.
>>722353108Knowing Arrowhead this would somehow brick their shitty engine.
>>722352769Huh?Games have almost no loading screens.Which is sometimes bigger problem than it seem because all the streaming constantly is causing stuttering if not done properly. Remember that sometimes the CPU is the bottleneck for the loading times because of how much decompression is going on.
>>722333876That's pathetic. Lowest common denominator type shit.
>>722346501I'm with you there>Optimization is when you make the file size 3 times bigger because you are afraid it will take too long to find a file.Or they could make the file smaller so its easier to find but im not swedish so I wouldn't understand.
>>722352769I agree. The main problem is that the assets being loaded are just way larger but having to wait over 10 seconds to load a game on an SSD feels like a disservice.
>>722346501Pretty sure it's just the bitsquid engine is so dogshit that they have to do this shit to make it load assets properly (darktide also has awful load times and runs on the same engine).It's their fault for sticking with the engine despite it literally getting canned by its creators at the start of HD2s development.
>duplicate all assets at all fidelity levels 5 times to help with "seek times" for people who largely don't use the space expensive assets to begin with>"how could poorfags do this to us..."I have quite a few games which have free downloadable HD/4K packs. I hope they actually have files per fidelity level to reduce filesize when needed, but this cope sounds like it's all a bunch of blob files with everything thrown together or just an engine that is excessively bad at loading things.
>>722333876I literally moved the game to my HDD because they do this, so why would I keep it on SSD while it hogs 150gb? kek. It doesn't even run that bad, and I just play it once in a while. They're so stupid. More people could fit it in their SSD if they decreased the file size.
>>722339234it doesn't need to be contiguous, it just needs to be linear so the head doesn't have to reset for every file. the issue cannot realistically be fragmentation, because windows has been doing that automatically since 7, and quite aggressively. unless the user goes out of their way to disable defrags, a current drive will never reach a fragmentation state so bad that you need to duplicate data for performance.if the devs suspected fragmentation could be the cause, they could just query defrag to find out what the drive's state is, and if it was bad, tell the user to run defrag. but according to them, they didn't even bother to find out who or if anyone is even using an HDD. the duplication is just a precautionary measure in case someone is. and, they still haven't said what quantity of data is actually duplicated i.e. whether that has any real significance to the size of the install. so far it's just sounding like an excuse.another effect of not archiving the files is that you are wasting disk space because it is allocated by cluster size. on windows that's going to be 4kb. every file has to be allocated enough space for its data, rounded up to an increment of 4kb, with the unused portion wasted as it cannot be assigned to another file. if you have a single file, the most allocated cluster space you can ever waste is that 4kb. if you have a million files on their own, they're going to waste an average 1.9 GB of space.
>>722354543BY THE WAY, in addition to this, vermintide 2 used to do the same thing, and hogged 100gb of duplicated memory or something. Guess who still plays VT2 to this day on an HDD just fine, despite having an SSD with 1 tb? After they removed that gay shit? THAT'S RIGHT, ME.
>>722354771>vermintide 2 used to do the same thingAlmost guaranteed that fatshark is the entire reason that arrowhead is doing this because the games run on the same fucking trash engine.
>>722354771As a third addition, most people join hd2 matches mid game, so the "slowest loader makes everyone load slower" part.. 1. is leess of an issue than it could be and 2. the % of hdd users is so low, let impatient autists complain when it does happen. I've probably had more infinite loading screens on my SSD already because of their servers..>>722354884Damn swedes..
How poor do you have to be to not get like a 50 buck ssd that massively improves your experience? And then to bitch about games requiring or benefiting from one. Even the switch 2 and phones have ssd, but you can’t be bothered to get one on a giant pc? Crazy
>>722356294the topic is about how helldivers devs shat the bed when it comes to optimizing their game for the PC market (PC: 100+gb install; consoles: ~35gbs) and tries to blame the customers for it, not about ssd's in general lmao
>>722333876I have both bitch. Two NVME drivers for OS/Applications/Games and then 2 HDDs to store all my data, movies, pictures, music, archived games. I've been on a big data preservation kick lately and have been archiving as many old games and other media as I can.
>>722333876Blame retarded devs for being retarded.Blame the retarded hardware devs for being retarded.It's not the consumer's fault that everything these people make is retarded.I didn't know what an SSD was until like 2023. How the fuck would I know? It's the dev's job to figure this shit out. There is no way that their only solution is intentionally bloating filesizes.
>>722356552141gb to be precise, and it's completely unnecessary.
