The game is healing.
>>722339957We won. We fucking won, worlobros.
They should continue to allow add-ons, but ban them completely in:>mythic dungeons>mythic raids>rated PvPThis would require the game to be returned for the add-on free hard content, but then that means the lower difficulty content will get easier for everyone since add-ons will trivialize it. But then the competitive shit won't feel exhausting having to waste tens of hours getting the right add on setup and then trying to get used the information overload.Playing games without add-ons feels so nice and refreshing compared to WoW. I hate add-ons.
>>722340362What a retarded idea
>WoW has more integrity than XIV in 2025Holy shit
>>72233995720 years latewe're on Bronzebeard now
>>722340362nosame standard for all content
Oh no does that mean you have to actually play the game again instead of running excel macros?
>>722342416Yes
oh no
>>722339957Why does WoW classic get to keep using addons?
>>722339957I kneel, WoWGods. Now if only FFXIV could do the same...
>>722343339Jesus Christ. What an absolutely raped and soulless husk of a game. Further glad I got out at the start of Mists. God damn.
>>722339957YOU VILL USE THE BASE UIYOU VILL PLAY THE WAY VE VANT YOU TO
>>722343339I always wondered what the addon for Mists of Tirna Scithe maze looked like. I feel like I was the only one who used my brain to complete the puzzle
>>722340897>thinking it's about integrityAll the changes are pointing towards Microsoft pushing for a console release for WoW
>>722339957lol, lmaoPeople think they want this but it's going to alienate and piss off everyone and it will be beautiful.You can thank retards like pic-related as the dumpster fire burns
>>722339957You will push the auto-gameplay button and you will like it because Binary Ma'am Blizzard tells you to like it.
>>722343668It's not real
>>722340897Plugins are technically banned in XIV, there's just nothing they can do about it because they're incompetent. But also like the other anon said it's because of a console version and not integrity.
>>722343339That shit is akin to fucking wallhacks in an FPS how that's hand waved as an "add-on" is mystifying
>>722343884>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO LET ME CHEAT YOU'RE GOING TO FRICKING ALIENATE EVERYONE YOU RETARDED WHORES WE'RE NOT HERE FOR VIDEO GAMES WE WORK 70 HOURS A WEEK AND JUST WANT TO SMOKE A DOOBIE AND ZONE OUT AND KILL SHIT AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>722343339Are these really currently legal WeakAuras or is this some underground cheat version?I haven't played since Legion pretty much, but after WoD I remember they nuked most of the API that let you draw stuff on the ground. Did they stop restricting that?
>>722344598They nuked drawing shit on the world in Wrath, thats just drawn on top of the screen so no it's not a real legal addon
I could do without boss mods and most weakauras, but I would never do higher mythic+ without some way of tracking party cooldowns like kicks and defensives. Likewise, there's too much valuable information in damage meters beyond just damage. I need a way to find out who's padding, kicking, taking unecessary damage, breaking cc, etc. Giving enough information in the base ui is possible, but I have no faith in Blizzard putting in the work and also don't trust them to even understand what information is needed.
>>722344718i miss graffitiing the walls of ICC with penises
>>722344142Yes it is, retard
>>722339957If they ban all weak auras. mouse/kb macros I might reconsider playing it again, if not, they can fuck off.
>>722344912They are getting banned in the next expansion: Midnight.
Does this mean they're actually making boss attacks clearly visible for players to be able to avoid
>>722344885Wow that looks really helpful can you kindly provide the download link?
>>722344952I should've specified in classic, I have below 0 interest for anything retail (cata and beyond).
>>722344986Classic gets to keep addons...for now.
>>722344960there’s been telegraphs since at least legion
>>722339957I can't believe they're actually doing this. WoW might have a chance after all
>>722339957>ban addons>simplify all specs >put all complexity on the encountersWhere have I seen this combination before hmm
>>722339957Unironically might make me resub after so many years. Holy shit.
>>722344304Its not an addon you retard
>>722339957Most of my addons I use because guilds pretty much force them on the players. I'm actually glad this is ending, just as long as the comfy map, bag, bank, etc. addons still work.
>>722345579Only combat addons are being removed
reminder....
>>722345367just play classic
>>722343884People like you are just angry shitters upset that you're gonna be completely exposed. L2P newb.
>>722345635supposed to be removed*don't underestimate the collateral damage
>>722339957This will be a good chance ONLY if they actually rebalance the content and stop doing retarded time-consuming gimmicks. People were pushed into using addons because of all the retarded design decisions they've been making since Cata.
I haven't played WoW in forever. Is WeakAuras the same as PowerAuras? Why are these and UI addons being targeted? Shit like DBM that lets people sleep through raids makes sense, but if I don't want to use Blizzard's shit interface, why is that being messed with?
>2004>look at all the cool things addons can do to enhance your experience :D>2025>you’ll have nothing and love it
>>722339957I never played WoW, is it a bad thing or is it based? Can Blizzard even do this? What's really stopping someone from reading RAM info and diplaying an overlay on the screen or program some 1 click macros?
>>722339957That's the good thing, I enjoy retailfags tears.
>>722346118Let's not get technical about this. Combat addons are going away. It's as simple as that.>>722346214Well, you can have some of mine because I'm completely lost without the addons I was playing with. Turns out the game is actually quite complex when you're not being told what to do or press every second.
>>722346118I haven't played in more than a decade but WeakAuras is the greatest mod to ever have been created and I wish literally every game had it.That said it's also incredibly customization and you can do some crazy shit with it, so I'm guessing people had started doing something retarded that plays the game for them even more than DBM does (but less than their own 'play the game for you' mode?)
>>722340362That's basically what they're doing. They're disabling the ability of addons to read the combat or chat lot if you're in an instance.
>>722345825Classic is infested with retarded addonfags who download questie to have the game play itself for them.
>>722346318They're simplifying the base game so you don't NEED the addons, that's the point.
>>722346318>Turns out the game is actually quite complex when you're not being told what to do or press every secondnot really, intentionally obfuscating attack patterns or adding 20 mechanics that you need to jiggle with while trying to kill the boss doesn't add complexity at allits piss poor easy whether the game tells you what to do or you apply your own brain. all they wanna do is dumb it down even harder, probably for a console release or a new attempt to attract more zoomergroids
Asians and russos going to hack addons back anyway and theres zero way blizzard to track who has combat addons installed.
>>722343339first they copy the pandering to troons from XIV, and now they're copying the immersion-shattering markers everywherethis game is fucking DEAD man
>>722340897what do you mean integrity, XIV was never and isn't cripplingly addon dependent in the first place, WoW has assumed for a long time you're using addons and designed fights around itXIV kisses the tip once in a while and takes a hammer to your cock if you get too loud about fight clubWoW turned into one of those cringe "COCKSLUT #CUM" goonette drawings and is only just now pulling itself off the cock
>>722346935I call WoW lots of things but immersive has never been one of them
>>722346684if i can't play wow like this i don't want to livehttps://streamable.com/wjqb0e
>>722346834this but unironically. if anything its going to get even worse since blizzard has no control over what people are going to execute on their own system. atleast with addons they had control over the API but the poopsocket raiders are going to find way more degenerate shit than just some combat addons. best example is splatoon in XIV or the one that allows you to virtually lower your ingame ping
>>722346834>>722347351retardsunlike XIV blizzard actually does go behind people with modified clients
>>722339957addons ruined PvEthe only addons that should be permitted are personalized UI stuff and dps metersboss mechanics should be clear enough to be intuitively learned and executed without addons
>>722340897Plugins in XIV are explicitly against ToS. The modding API is broken by every patch and has to be reverse engineered by a team of volunteers. XIV also just used a cease and desist to take down one of the most popular plugins.Meanwhile in WoW there's an officially maintained API and modders get early access to preview changes. That said, it's good to see blizzard finally taking action against legalised cheating after so long.
>>722343339i mean it doesnt help the visuals for all the aoe shit is just buried under vfx for everything else. they need hard outlines to show where the nono zone is
>>722339957The jews won
>>722347587Preach!
Healing, not healed. Needs to ban dps meters and logs as well, or WoW will remain "world of warcraftlogs" and simcrafting bullshit. Classic was/is plagued by this, I only narrowly escaped it by playing on an RP server, but quit when they proceeded into TBC because TBC is the beginning of shit.
Addons are present cause the content is stupid and too much info is thrown onscreen. Rpgs were literally made for number crunching. This is clearly a top to bottom design choice to increase difficulty and time padding for top content. But it destroys all the casual play.
Wowbucks without their addon crutch
>>722347842>vidya should ban score screens so other people can’t see how bad i am
> use to use spreadsheets and other windows to hold recordings of stuff>addons automate this, making for smoother play>ban this away, returning us to the stone agesDevs are so fucking stupid.
>>722347925theres stupid people in every game (and thats a good thing becuase it's funny)
>>722347850It's the opposite. Any content beyond normal dungeons is a fucking eye-raping slog where you're perfect-timing an 8+ button rotation (obviated by your mandatory weakauras addon). Without those addons the game is pure fucking misery.They're simplifying the game so it's not about suffering.
>>722347925You'd be surprised how much info is flying on the screen so stuff like that doesnt register all the time. Also, Wow graphics is to blame.
>>722347439if you dont think that there are going to be way more sophisticated cheats popping up in the near future i dont know what to tell you man. all the autism that got put into addon development will get put into circumventing the addon restrictions by making most stuff out of client. e.g. reading the combat-log file in your wow folder or intercepting network packets.
>>722348005>They're simplifying the game so it's not about suffering.No they aren't. TWW showed enough that the mobs and content only got more complicated. They want to ban it in Midnight so they can make artificial difficulty.
>>722348090Every class in Midnight alpha is thoroughly simplified. Some classes they're cutting 20+ abilities from.
>>722348082and they'll get promptly banned.you weren't even born when people were model swapping netherwings eggs to find them more easily lil bro
>>722348191that wont last though since blizzard only listens to streamers and mythic raiders and they are already up in arms and demand reverting everything.
>>722348289You're aware the reason they're doing this is because Blizzard has finally realized mythic raiders don't make them money?
>>722348191The classes doesnt matter. Im talking the overall combat with kill pools and orbs flying around. They aren't cutting back on that. If anything, they are taking the bad parts from XIV.
>>722343884the kind of people this "alienates" would be the kind of people the game is better off without
>>722346118It's very bad. But the only people still playing wow are whipped simps so they'll praise it anyway.
>>722348415so you'll be left with the xiv twitter fag, housing erp crowd. What a great world to live in.
>>722348507no?you're saying the most retarded things with no justification as if it's a given
>>722347587dps meters are unironically a cancer that kills every game they appear in
>>722339957Now ban bots and I might returntill then I'll be playing on my own server with actual good bots
>>722348584except thats exactly whats happening. Only XIV and casual reddit fags have asked for housing. It doesnt add anything to the game. At least in WoD, the garrison made since in both the setting and was used in the gameplay. WoW got turned into second life.
>>722348602competition among dps is healthy for the game and encourages people to get better
>>722339957I mean that's cute and all but what makes WoW suck is they compel you to play with psychological manipulation (e.g. dailies) and not because the game is fundamentally fun. You might as well grind on Fiverr and make money if you want a second job.
>>722339957This is terrible news. How will this affect my ERP addons? If I can't shove gnomes up my worgen ass, I will quit for good or at least a month.
>>722348846I guess you haven't played in a while then because getting the best gear in the game only requires you to clear the raid and do 8 dungeons per week
>>722348749dick measuring only appeals to low IQ losers. everybody else on earth finds it obnoxious and offputting. hence dps meters are terrible for a game's health
>>722348846I guarantee you play at least one gacha despite claiming to hate dailies.
>>722349148actually the oppositehigh IQ people value having their performance displayed clearly so they know where they need to improvemidwits hate it because they want to get better at the game but cantyou can just not have them installed if you dont want to see how much you suck
>>722349402nobody talking about DPS meters in any context is referring to viewing only their personal performance in a vacuum. you yourself called it "competition among dps" retard
>>722349243that's some projection faggotcan you believe it, there are people on the internet that don't play any game with battle passes or dailes or better yet, pay to win slot machine mechanics?
>>722340897This is true, ignore the seething replies.YoshiP had to go on damage control and reassure people plugins are okay to use when they nuked mare, just don't talk about it. He said their issue was financial, as in, using mare to equip store bought outfits for free.Also, at least 80% of ultimate raiders use ff14s version of weakauras. It's even used live on twitch. Heck, the last 3 world first races had the winning team using plugins kekGood that wow is doing it desu. 14 would benefit from it too, but square is notoriously hard to change their under the hood stuff. It took them 10 years to do a graphical upgrade, theyre not gonna bother changing networking. Especially now
>>722350717nips struggle with basic concepts like antialiasing, the wow engine is a marvel compared to the xiv engine
>>722339957>Game is healing.Game isn't going to heal until you get rid of the Alliance fans on the dev team.
Addons were always for cheaters, especially in Vanilla days.
>>722351256>purposely put alliance-looking tranmsogs on>HORDE IS LE DEAD
>all the corpo cucks coming out the glaze blizz ITTjfc, /v/ really is full of browns
>NO YOU CAN'T PLAY GAMES STOP ITStill gonna play.
>>722347626Who are you trying to kid here? FFXIV is one of the most heavily cheated, modded online games currently on market. They say Mods are TOS and they do what to enforce it? Nothing and for mods breaking on patch, it takes all of one day for them to work again and if you know what you're doing they don't break at all. Pull the other one, this isn't 2019-2020 era FFXIV anymore.
>>722350717I don't see how the games complexity is even comparable there's literally no customization or anything to the classes in FF14. WoW may be cancer but it had its place and time for good reasons. Needing addons in FF14 is sudoku tier and just stupid for everything else.
>>722343339its just wildstar what the hell???
>>722352236WoW's customization is pretty overrated + with all classes being available on one character, classes ARE the customization
>>722339957They're banning addons, then adding all the functionality into the game itself, just worse. Combat logging is unaffected too. So basically you'll still have people chasing parses, you'll just have to use the shitty damage meter and ui built into the game instead of using a custom one.
WoW token still in the game? Then I don't care, still not going back.
>>722343793that's not the addon though, thats straight up bannable cheat. the addon/wa worked differently and there were a few of em
10 years too late. This would have saved the game if it came out with Legion, but at this point their audience is only people that like the constant DBM spam, and 8000 weakauras. The people that would have liked this quit the game 10 years ago, and aren't going to come back at this point.
>>722340897both games are different flavors of shit
>>722344986>>722345123They're not removing add-ons for classic versions. No one cares about molten core.
>>722343339The funniest thing is being able to see exactly where some of those attacks are because of the effects but some retards STILL need it outlined AND 30 bells and whistles to tell them when they're standing in it.
>>722346085>>722340362I notice that it is mentioned explicitly that addons will no longer function "in combat" so that tells me that OoC addons will still be in, like auctioneer or whatever
>>722343668You're a retarded nigger, what you see there is not legal addon.
>>722340362You are a retarded gorilla nigger and i hope you get stabbed by a crack addict
>>722346085weak auras do alot more, like marking players, assigning them spots, drawing a assignment diagram for you when the mechanic pops up etc.
>kill addons after 20 yearsbut why? Do they think they will attract more players?
>>72235380414 is a corpse, you can stop venting here.
>>722351736>WoW>gameWoW is a second job that you pay to go to and can't put on your resume
>>722348846>he thinks wow has dailies that have any effect on gearRight now the first week of the season before actual content comes out, has you do the special bountiful delves (4 total per day). That's the only daily grind you do, after that there are no more chores.
Buy an ad
>>722343884We'll have to see how they redesign dungeons, particular tougher mplus key levels. They said there would be no more massive spikes of damage that you have to prepare for 5-10 seconds in advance, which requires a timer.
Literally all I want is a timer bar to track my personal buffs and debuffs.
>>722339957I might come back to the game now.
>>722343339looks basedW wow W blizzL tranny fantasy
>>722357485it's the same game as when you left, for the record
>>722339957They will rollback on this decision. Why are they doing this anyway? Are they planning to release WoW on consoles? New client incoming?
>>722356934It hasn't been like that since BFA and SL
>>722343339They are literally just copying osrs and ffxiv lmao
>>722357714in case the housing didn't make it obvious enough they were copying fino fanto, lolor that old god taking the form of azem's crystal
>>722357570Insider here. They're rewriting the client using the D4 engine. Current client and nu client will keep working at the same time (to keep supporting brown computers), which is the reason why they're making these changes for the current client. Nu client won't support add-ons from the start.
>>722357570Free adverting for the expansion, the expansion trailer went up by 6 million views in the last 24 hours.They will also look like the good guys "who listen to player feedback" when they back down.Blizzard always wins baybee
>>722340810>>722340810Holy fuck these addon slaves need to play other games.
>>722357714That video is a third party cheat program lil bro
>>722356798attract more?
Remember when you were a kid and started riding your bike without training wheels? It wasn't that bad.
>>722358848>equating add ons to training willsMaybe hekilli and max dps. Everything else is a QoL change that WoW never added.
>>722339957>The game is healing.If I can't run elvui in midnight I just won't play the game ever again, that shit is so useful to have a decluttered ui I just don't think I'd ever put up with the garbage regular ui ever again outside classic.
>>722339957this is a double edged swordblizzard might be banning add ons but lets not pretend they havent been slowing implementing worse official versions of those same addons directly to the gamedeadly boss mods was the first official "addon" i remember blizzard putting in
>>722358989You can't convince me that the game making loud noises and making obvious markers even more obvious is QoL. Again this is specifically about combat addons, it would be nice if they put shit like bagnon in the game already but that's another problem entirely.
>>722359282>You can't convince me that the game making loud noises and making obvious markers even more obvious is QoL.Good thing you can choose not to use addons while some of us do. Having options is a good thing.
>>722339957lol how brown do you have to be to still play wow?
>>722359478You will take off your training wheels and realize it isn't so scary
>>722358989>i-it's not cheating it's QoL!Dad gamers should kill themselves.
>>722358848No I do not. Because I used a kick bike and knew how to balance the bike when I was 3.
>>722359665Did you get called a fag for using a kick bike because it looks like something children would call you a fag for riding.
>>722356798as it's been said earlier in the thread, it's for version parity when the console version is out
>>722359549>training wheels>seeing dps numbers is training wheels???
>>722359639Yes, having proper visuals for every fucking proc in this game so you can line them up during a burst window is QoL. Getting rid of Weakauras will kill the game.
>>722359914I really think you should learn to read and maybe learn some basic conversation skills.
>>722359913>console versionFucking sick of people thinking pc mmos work on console. Fucking stop that. I hate jews so much. They have to make as much money as possible on a product, and they end up fucking up the product even worse. And when it fails, they just write it off and kill it.
>>722359997No, I dont think you have any intellect skills at all for conversation.
>>722343339Holyshit people are retarded ITT, except that one guy who knewthis is https://truesight.wtf/ , a game cheat that injects and hooks game memory
>>722360063You really are that stupid huh
>>722360023bro how else is microsoft gonna pay for the activision merger by making people pay thrice for their internet to play a 2004 mmo on console
>>722359967>THE GAME NEEDS TO BE PLAYED AUTOMATICALLY FOR ME OR IT'S FUCKING DEAD BAAWWWWWWWHilarious seeing you retards squeal because you killed any sense of awareness by relying on cheats for 20 years. You could have just learned to play the game.
I used Weakauras for non raiding shit, like that one weakaura that told me which profession knowledge items in the world I had gotten already and the location of the other ones...what the fuck...
>>722360159all you XIV fags who say addons are cheats need to be shot against a wall.
So what fights are we going to see now?More fights like mythic kyveza, where the room has a divided room for you to work with, and less broodtwisters?
>>722360231Just because you got comfortable using them for 20 years doesn't mean they're not cheats. Now what are you gonna do? Cry? Gonna cry for me widdle baby?
>>722360179https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-responds-to-addon-lockdown-feedback-out-of-combat-restrictions-to-be-378747 they just walked it back a few hours ago. Only applies in raid and m+
>>722360273The fights are going to be the same, but they are removing addons to assist, so now you have to spend more time dying to fights per week to pad game time. Microsoft needs its game retention time.
>>722359038people don't talk very much about how WoW has an absolutely fucking dog shit UI
>>722360382this is still stupid and will still kill their game. Some of us do that shit casually and it's going to make playing in both a pain. They really want to destroy the game.
>>722350717>YoshiP had to go on damage control and reassure people plugins are okay to use when they nuked mare, just don't talk about it. He said their issue was financial, as in, using mare to equip store bought outfits for free.Got a source, schizo?
>>722360382>Only applies in raid and m+oh okay
>>722360382>>722360514https://www.wowhead.com/news/no-weakauras-addon-for-midnight-378740the weakauras team said they'll stop working on it so no weakauras for Midnight so...
It really feels like they're doing this to prepare for a console release
>>722360569End of an era. gg WoW.
>>722360023Why are you acting like the game is in a state where a console release will make it worse? I don't think it will make it better outside of zones being more alive but there's already a metric fuck ton of knuckle dragging retards playing the game so their retards will just be a drop in the bucket.
>>722340085https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyC_2nGU-f8
>>722360382typical public stock company killing its best ips
>>722360692This retarded meme is quite funny to me.
>>722360681>will make it better outside of zones being more aliveHAHAHAAh yes, someone is going to play WoW instead of Fortnite, Overwatch, and a bunch of other better games you can play. WoW was a behemoth in its prime, so getting players was never a problem. WoW just stinks right now and housing is just a last resort to go after the super casual players before it dies.
>>722360445My main issue is that everything is too big, and the thing that hits me most is the fucking bags having a window by each of them by default, you'd think they would have grouped them like guild wars 2 a long time ago, but it may look like that's nigger magic or something for the average blizzard developer.
Plugins made FFXIV playable. The UI and QoL is so bad without them that I would skipp patches until the plugins caught up in updates.WoW without addons is a similar experience. I don't know what the fuck is going on at Blizzard. Maybe it's a decision coming down from Microsoft. But this is a bad bad move. Like very bad.
>>722359282>it would be nice if they put shit like bagnon in the game already but that's another problem entirely.Wanna know how I can tell you don't play the game?
>>722361004i only really miss QoLbar, lifestream, FPS physics fix, and that one plogon version of alexander now
>>722360990combined bags was a thing in the default UI since forever. Tourist.
>>722361063nta but how would that prove anything? Ive had blizzard's default bag turned off for years cause elvui and bagnon.
>>722361140I always used Arkinventory
>>722360824I don't think you're informed enough for this conversation since your example for a game with close to or equal popularity of fortnite is overwatch.
>>722361103Xivcombo is a life saver and hotbar optimizer. It made it so much easier to organize my buttons. There's no fucking reason to have 1-2-3 chains on separate buttons.
>>722339957>punishing everyone because they couldn't win the arms race they started against the top 0.01% of players
>>722349536you sound like a faggot who would wipe 50 times from shit tier dps.
>>722361140So you just never read up on any updates at all? Or try out new features? Even if the UI gets a full overhaul?
>>722361207I used overwatch as an example of a console game people play that they want WoW to have the same appeal of. This is just typical business move to diversify their products.>call of duty and overwatch are on console making money, why cant WoW and Diablo be?
>>722360382The developers of the addons have made public statements that they are discontinuing production starting patch 12.0
>>722361220it would be better if they ignored those players. Instead, they are going the same route that Riot did with LoL.
>>722361291Never cause I know they'll never do a better job than the passionate and autistic addon creators.
>>722361291Why would he do that when he's conditioned to cheat?
>>722361004you are weak
>>722361402What does bagnon do that the default UI cannot? I personally use BetterBags because it sorts and groups items by type/expansion/etc but bagnon is the exact same as default UI.
>>722361105isn't it something you need to enable via the menu?
>>722361105>Not on by default>Hidden under several menu layersThanks blizzard, surely taking hints from applel is the best design decision ever...
>>722360105thx. forwarding it to my fbi friends who work on wow
>>722361546k-kuso.... even here.... raraferru-sama.......
>>722340942Kinda trueThere are modern games that came out in the last 5 years that have “addons” built in. Blizzard is fucking incompetent
>>722360105>doesn't even work with 11.2>11.2.5 coming out next week as wellcheat-ggers BTFO
>>722343339>>722339957jesus christ they're finally addressing this NOW? this is stuff people have been complaining about since 2015. its partially the reason people were flocking to ffxiv because you can tell what mechanics are happening without addons.
After seeing a few cinematics I rather not play this game, feels like this game was made by a bunch of steven universe fans.
>>722361546You're a fat nerd playing a video game. Any pretense of resilience while hunching over a keyboard is a punchline by default.
>>722361252you seem upset
>>722348621Bots arent the problem, or at least not the biggest problem. WoW would be a much better game if it banned carries and related services. Every succesful private server bans them and the community is all the better for it, Blizzard only allows it due to making them money.
>>722339957if they did this in xiv I would instantly resub despite my feelings for dawntrail and endwalker
>>722361583>>722361637Damn are you guys braindead or something? Or just zoomers that don't know how to navigate?
>>722361362>>722361220The only real good takes in this threat.
>>722361927It's one and the same. Bots, RMT, Boosts and GDKP all feed into one another.
>>722347174Based beyond belief.
You guys know that shitty swirly AoE visual that Blizzard uses in all of their boss fights? You know the one, where you're either supposed to stay out of it or stay in it to absorb damage. It's dumb as shit and overlaps with multiple other raid mechanics so it's no wonder people were trying to use addons to mitigate the issue.All of this stems from Blizzard's inability to provide visual clarity for players. If you're melee DPS you're especially asking for a fucking eyesore.
>>722362014>say it's a menu thing>YOU'RE A BRAINDEAD ZOOMERi just haven't played this dogshit game in years and forgot if you had to enable it or if it was default you fucking asshat
>>722361004FFXIV is unironically on a worse engine than WoW is, this is a you problem
>>722361004The only pluggin we trully need is the one that let's you overcome the shitty ps3 laggy server. Anything else it's just cheating.
>>722361962xiv already technically has this but the devs don't have time enforce it because they're too busy figuring out how to make the smallest amount of content possible
>be Blizzard>the game is dying>it must be because of the addons>not because of the shitty dev team, the wokeness, the liberal agenda, and the team shitting on all the established lore>mythics+ and mythic raiding? We made that a thing and now we're going to punish all the players for promoting stuff for the top 0.1%I would love to know what goes on in the mind of a california game dev
>>722362105I think you'll always have bots and some RMT, but Blizzard giving it an official sanction and even an ingame chat dedicated to it makes it so like 80% of people engage in it instead of the 10/20% tops that would go seeking for it in third party sites or whatever.
>>722361252Your brain is leaking.
>>722362185
>>722361220Ever tried doing heroic raiding and telling the other people that you don't use addons? /kick instantly, let's not even bring up mythic. Combat addons broke open a huge number of fights completely which would have been really cool if some fucking retards didn't mod the fun out of the game.
>>722362393>funDid you maybe think using addons makes the game more fun?
>>722361848WE ARE THE CRYSTAL GEMS
>>722362365>get BTFO>double down on your retardation
>>722362393>proudly proclaim that you're retarded>get kickedWow how crazy is that
>>722362507God, Retail is insufferable...
>>722340897doesn't the OP say they lied about something?
Yep, time to play worlo
>>722362393>join party>hey guys, why do you use addons? I dont use them, why cant you be like me>removedAnd you're surprised why?
>>722362265>xiv already technicallyNo it doesn't. Yoshit would never restrict mods because mentally ill fagtroons would leave (aka ERPS and parsetrannies). All SE is doing now is "please don't do it" and that's it.
>>722359967Now Blizzard can actually try and design their game to be readable on its own without relying on players to do it for them.
>>722348846>but what makes [Modern Games] suck is they compel you to play with psychological manipulationFTFY. this isn't a WoW issue anymore, let alone MMO-specific. any live-service game (or adjacent) is riddled with dailies/battlepasses/other tactics to create habit-forming tendencies.
>>722362714wow is removing combat information from their addon api. ffxiv has no addon api at all.
>>722339957How will the retarded playerbase be able to kill any raid bosses anymore when they don't have addons telling them what to do?
>>722362672damn I thought it was gonna break the screen and go into final fantasy turn based mode
>>722362725>can actually try and design their game to be readableHoly shit, is this the latest cope?>now blizzard can make the game better on their ownThey had 20 years to do that, and even had a ten year headstart before addons matured. You're going to get the same shitty stuff flying on your screen except you wont be able to parse them anymore cause addons got banned. Good job. At least now you can tell everyone online how good you are at playing DDR on your own I guess.
>>722362763>to create habit-forming tendencies.They failed to reel me in. I fucked off to Classic.
>>722362337Turtle WoW proves that you can have as little as 5 to even 1%. Getting rid of bots is like personal hygiene. You keep doing it for the rest of your life and you dont entertain the idea that one day you wont have to anymore.
>>722339957>bans one shitty addon>ADDONS ARE NOW GONE FROM WOWlel
>>722362725Anything short of literally just WAs again is insufficient
I don't think they'll stick with their decision. In the very rare cases of Blizzard listening to feedback, it's usually when people bitch an outstanding amount that they actually do something about it.
>>722362268You are right about the weird californian liberal stuff but the game being designed around addons is 100% a contributing reason for fucking the game up
>>722362769Why does WoW have to be an arcade game? You guys made fun of rpgs being spreadsheet simulators for ages. Now youre praising getting rid of the spreadsheet and making people play blind cause at least you get to spite players who actually enjoy the game.Fuck off.
>>722362942Except the gameplay has literally never been better
>>722340362nocompletely banned inside of combatregardless of difficulty
>>722362934surely they're not retarded enough to announce this without understanding that EVERYONE would hate it?
>>722362934its not their decision. its microsoft. they want a xbox port. they want a ffxiv competitor.
>>722362942>the game being designed around addons is 100% a contributing reason for fucking the game upNo it isnt. We've had addons for years. When the game was good, it was good. But when it became shit, suddenly you fags are going>its the addonsLatest strawman.
>>722362890>>bans one shitty addonThey didn't ban weakauras>>ADDONS ARE NOW GONE FROM WOWNo one said this either
>>722362934They will because they're prepping for console release and there is no alternative
>>722363054>they want a ffxiv competitor.this has nothing to do with ffxiv. that game killed itself and barely makes a dent in the mainstream popularity. This is just typical ignorant suits trying to make as much money as possible.
>>722343339Yeah most of that is bad but the swelling circle/cone for aoe timers is great and should be implemented into the visuals"swirlies" are triple-gay
>>722339957Weak auras should've been stomped out the moment they saw it come into existence, Took them long enough to realize that having to have a day long setup of addons every patch is killing their game with anyone who just want to play..Well past too late though.
>>722343339*gets banned*lolgood luck swiping your card after you get perma every month
>>722363082>They didn't ban weakaurasThey did. WA creators just said they are stopping support.
>>722349402A high IQ person doesn't need a dps meter to know he's done poorly or well.
Does this mean no more dps meters? This will probably cause problems
>>722362393i don't think there's any fight in the current tier that's made more than marginally easier by addonsi dunno maybe people use weakauras for spacing on the soul hunters soak or whatever but that's not going to do a lotthat being said they should still go
>>722363138>They did [ban WA].>WA creators just said they are stopping support.These are two different things.
>>722363184Blizzard is providing their own official damage meter, whether it will have all the features of details remains to be seen
>>722344165>>722347626>technically>explicitly against toskek the game is UNPLAYABLE at a decent level without them. You hit enrage. You did the fight perfectly. How do you know who your weak link DPS is?
>>722363082>No one said this eitherRead the OP I guess?>"Banning of addons in WoW"
>>722363112the strategy is releasing wow on rog xbox ally x and xbox consoles by q1-q2 2025. getting ridding addons is the first step because thats how ffxiv does it for xbox and other platforms.
WoW at it's peak had boss mechanics that were simple to understand without addons
>>722363154a higher iq person knows that you actually can use the dps to compare your damage and give you something to improve on with others.
>>7223632932026*
>>722362856sounds like the tactics of 20y ago work all the same. they just didn't need to be as obvious. I can agree with your sentiment overall, regardless.
>>722363253they're completely removing the technological underpinnings that make WA possible, and they're doing so in order to remove the mod from the game. it's not just a ban, it's a very thorough ban.
>>722346085WeakAuras eventually went above and beyond of what was possible with PowerAuras. I'll wholeheartedly agree that gutting it is a good idea because it simply does too much. However if I still played WoW I would kinda be pissed because outside of shitty mandatory auras raid leaders would give out, I just used it "as intended" by basically moving all of my timers, cooldowns, etc into the middle of the screen so I would never have to watch my hotbar again. If they gut that too it would be pretty retarded.
>>722363272>Read the OP I guess?Missed the subject I guess, I concede that point. But the addon wasn't banned thoughever.
>>722363058when the game was good, it was in spite of addons, not because of them. You fundamentally dont understand what kind of experience you thrust upom a mewer player when they ask how to play a class, do a dungeon or fight a boss and the acceptable response is "okay, so first you gotta go to this website and install this third-party addon". Nobody likes that shit and people like yourself who have been playing for literal years just have rotted brains about it at this point.
>>722363293again ffxiv has nothing to do with this decision. I doubt anyone at microsoft plays that game.
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>>722363310you are correct
>>722363310Its 2025If you still think tbc or wrath was good you just have brain rot
>>722339957this makes me want to try the game out again honestly
>>722363321>i can only improve if someone else is numerically better than meabsolutely pathetic mindset
>>722363310This actually touches on an important point, and something that has been missing from crpgs for ages. Fights should always be simple. A boss is just a test of what you have built up your character to, along with cooperation of other players with different skills. That use to be the point.
>>722363010funny post, I laughed
>>722363321An even higher iQ person knows that permitting DPS meters creates and encourages a culture of performance oriented autists that care nothing for the game or people in it and only for the numbers involved, which forms a segregated ultra-autist class that poisons the game for the rest of the playerbase, while acting like their high numbers earned in a highly controlled, structured and repetitive environment, mean that they have earned the right to dictate to the rest how the game is meant to be played and developers frequently cater to them as they become a loud and obnoxious minority.
>>722363451gray parser
>>722363426ulduar is the sweet spot of raid difficulty and should be the golden standard
>>722363383>"okay, so first you gotta go to this website and install this third-party addon".Good. If he cant do something that simple, fuck off and go play a simpler game.
>>722363506doubling down on being pathetic is an interesting strategy
>>722363498Better players are better people, its just a factThe developers shouldn't pay attention to someone who doesn't like the game enough to actually learn to play
>>722363358The API changes are combat related. This is just the first pass, things will be adjusted if there's overlapping. WA devs just know their patreon income will tank if that stuff goes, so they don't even want to try. There are plenty of weakauras I use that are not combat related.
>>722363536Ulduar is shit Youre shitKill yourself
>>722363592Being better at doing the same thing over and over doesn't actually make you a better player. It just makes you good at doing that one thing over and over. Every single parsing autist instantly collapses into a puddle of impotent piss and tears the moment they touch PvP.
>>722363592Nope, parsetrannies don't care for the game, they care for their high score on a third party website and they destroy every game they touch because everything begins to revolve around MUH THIRD PARTY HIGH SCORE
>>722363310Based and true. I understand these are two very different games, but Malenia in Elden Ring is pretty hard, but at absolutely no point did I not understand everything she was doing on a visual level.
>>722363708least neurotic retail enjoyer
>>722363717>actually the people who learn everything about the game and play it all the time dont like itDelusional retard cope
>>722363592>actually the guy who plays the game for exactly one hour each week to do his lockouts should be the person the devs prioritize
>>722339957but are they gonna do anything to address how abysmal the returner experience is? if you skip the game for a month you'll be barraged by a bunch of quests that auto accept, there'll be a flood of quest icons everywhere on the hub and finding out what is relevant is a nightmare
>>722363498>creates and encourages a culture of performance oriented autists that care nothingYes, men compete with each other to better themselves. That's a good thing. You sound gay or are a woman. Probably the former.
>>722339957people are actually cheering this on? what is with gamers these days hating personal freedom of expression and open systems? i just dont get it
>>722363539The actual difficulty of installing an addon (which is not high) is not the point of contention here and you know that which is why you're acting like an intentionally obtuse middle-schooler about it. It's time to grow the fuck up, retard.
>>722363867only high test men use dps meters in their 20 year old mmorpg to see if their blood elf rogue is doing better than the troll warlock
>>722363592Downloading mods which make the game easy makes you a worse player, not a better one. Yeah man, I use aimbot in CS, i'm really good at the game, and if they patch out my aimbot i'll freak out at all those bad players who don't even use aimbot.
>>722363904yesforces them to make better encounters where you aren't just staring at bars >personal freedom of expression and open systems?what
>>722363848>actually the guy who plays the game for exactly one hour each weekIs literally nobody in high end WoW The 1 hour a week players are the shitters defending these changes
>>722339957So what now it's just gonna be like FFXIV with a bunch of orange circles on the ground without needing any addons?
>>722363989but they can just do that already? who cares if some people cheese it with external tools? its a video game, its not that serious
>>722364000>high end WoWinherently embarrassing phrase
>>722363829>Implying parsetrannies learn anything instead of copying from an icyveins guide or the likeKEEEEEEEK, no. you fags are thr biggest sheep, only 0.01% of the playerbase does any actual simulation or discovery, you trannies just follow
>>722364074Nice deflection fag
>>722347994I thought it was my webm for a sec
based.addon cheater should fuck off. they ruined classic
>>722363949>The actual difficulty of installing an addon (which is not high) is not the point of contention hereThen shut the fuck up about having to use third party tools to make yourself more competent for serious gamers. No one is forcing someone to go join a casual guild and play the game non seriously. Just like how no one is forcing anyone to pvp either. You choose how you play. Just dont go saying others have to play as casual as you.
>>722363904Addons will still work, just not combat addons that play the game for you and blizzard then has to design around when making new fights.
>>722339957Based
>>722363956Yes.>lifts three plates and plays video games
>>722364127>just reading icyveins gives you 99sAny other shitter takes?
>>722364040if it turns into that (basically wild star), gg.
>>722340085we lost*no one complains about addons or weakauras.no sorry, only people who don't play complain about addons and weakauras
>>722364202>hat play the game for youtired of this fucking excuse.
>>722364262>only people who don't playquite a lot of those people these days for some reason
>>722348602without a damage meter you are unable to measure your own performance on simple shit like target dummies. you can't test a build, an enchant, a potential upgrade. damage meters are very useful, first of all for yourself
>>722364059no, they can't just do that already because people will destroy fights like that with addons>who cares if some people cheese it with external tools?people that play the game especially an old MMO like this do so in the most efficient way possible and Blizzard has to meld fights around thatremoving addons from the equation opens them up to making fights differentlythis is not hard to grasp
>>722364202but blizzard doesnt HAVE to design the fights around those addons. they choose to. they can choose to make class and encounter design easier so players dont feel compelled to use addons to assist, but they arent choosing to do that.why does it have to be give and take? >we can do this, but we have to take thatno they dont, theyre choosing to be assholes about it. theyre choosing to gaslight the ocmmunityu into thinking addons MUST be nuked for the game to become easier when thats just not true. its not based in reality. they can make the game easier without doing anything elsetheres something more to all this. theres some other reason theyre doing this that theyre not saying
>>722364185You are so needlessly hysterical right now. I'm spoonfeeding you the perspective of normal, functioning people and you think this is is a debate. It's not. Addons are going bye-bye, it's a done deal. You can either adapt like le epic hardcore gamer you pretend you are or cry about it, and I fully expect the latter, champ.
>>722343339This is just what your average FFXIV trial looks like
>>722339957>XIV bans mods cause it was leaking player numbers>WoW banning mods cause they're just putting them into the game
>>722364402only normals
>>722364330weird how every single person in this thread defending dps meters is obsessed with comparing their performance to other people though huh
>>722364223You're not getting 99s either, tranny, this is the second time you have decided to pretend you do things that you don't, how embarrassing.
>>722364379Normal people dont quit a game whete beating a single tier takes 100+ hours because they need to take 2 minutes to set something up
>>722363589gray parser
>>722364379"normies' dont even play this fucking game. The ones that complain thats its complicated fuck off and go play simpler games like fortnite or my little pony online (not real but I bet they would play it if it was). Im tired of game devs appealing to casuals and normies. Fucking tired of it.>wwhiiiine, I cant be bothered to actually use my brain above sniffing cocaine!Like gtfo with that shit. WoW isn't even that complicated. If youre filtered by basic shit like curseforge, stay the fuck away.
>>722364262A lot of people dont play BECAUSE of weakauras.
>>722364491Normal people like when their game functions out of the box without demanding ancillary software, yes.
>>722364662FUCK normal people. WoW was made for teenage boys and men who liked rpg fantasy shit. I'll say it again...FUCK NORMIES
>>722364453in wow there's talents, trinkets, enchants, tier sets. you very much need a dps meter to test your own shit
>>722364634>removing the addons that play the game for me will make the game easier ohh I hate this!?
>>722364634Now that is gone, you can become an actually good player without all the mods, isn't that exciting?
>>722364662The game functions out of the box, its just not optimal and never will be
gayest change they couldve ever possibly made. ive already barely played over the last decade but if I still played I would've quit the moment this dogshit news came outWoW has the best UI of any mmo ever to exist and its not even close, and that's all because of addons
>>722364453>why yes, I know how effective my damage is just by feeling it! Who needs numbers? press shiny buttons, damage GO BOOM
>>722364776>>722364778post CE's and best M+ seasons, trannies
>>722364841did you reply to the wrong post by accident?
>>722364778Hold the fuck on. So are you saying that you are a good player? Are you on team Liquid or a hardcore raiding or pvp team exclusively using no addons? You must be the best player ever since you dont use addons, right?
>>722364634In case anyone was curious, this is the mindset of the typical jaded self-important retard that believes he is the core player.Normies make up the average WoW player by a WIDE margin. Very few players even pass an average 5 key across the board. A tiny percent even get AOTC. Even normal clear of raid isn't over 50%.Also there are PLENTY of classes that are needlessly complex due to Blizz being lazy. Rogue, for example you have either highest APM spec while watching a WA, watching 4 WA, or spreadsheet spec.Thankfully they're fixing a lot of this in Midnight sounds like.
I see that PedoPlagaue's Pisscord and /wowg/ moved into /v/ to shill this garbage again, and a good thread talking about real video games was lid in because of this garbage thread.
I like customizing my UI :)
>>722364718Best you can hope for at this point is that there is content that is sufficiently difficult enough on its own, raw merit to filter your personal undesirables.
>>722364920>So are you saying that you are a good player?Please reread my post for an accurate view of what I actually said.
>>722364985Jannies like WoW, so the rules don't apply
>>722364885You first faggot so i can log on and make fun of you ingame to your virtual face
>>722364962If you dont get aotc you're either a serious m+/pvp player or you literally do not play the gameIt is the bare minimum of actually played the season
>>722339957>healingThe game has always had addons you stupid fuck
why do wow players have a fucking meltie every single expansion. at what point do you just do something else with your time
>>722365156they're banning combat addons
>>722365129Like I said normies don't do that. Normies make up the bulk of the playerbase.
>>722342416unfortunately, they decided to bake "popular addon functionality" into the base game and that included - I am not kidding - literal one button rotationbotting as a CORE FEATURE.now if you play wow you have to accept that your DPS may be literally more retarded than pic related.
>>722365156These are targeting combat addons, you stupid pig fucker
>>722365226Its always funny when anons talk about normies when WoW is THE normie MMO
>>722364962No, normies who are MEN and WOMEN that like fantasy rpgs make up the core fanvbase. Then they learn the system and eventually go beyond casual. Those who fail at this or get bored leave for other games. This isn't anything new and it shouldnt even be a surprising thing. I spent one week ignoring everything learning all there is to know about nethack. Cause I wanted to learn, I've become better and now follow chats and other shit. I did it because i wanted to. I am tire of appealing to normies. Normies do not make up the average WoW. Nerds do. Normies can become nerds, however.That's where you're fucking up your interpretation.
>>722339957They are literally making a game for asmongold and his fans yet the roach literally had a fucking meltdown when they tried to announce the addon purge lol
>>722365206>>722365234And the game has always had combat addons, so what is your point? Healing implies it's going back to the way it was before, which it is not.
>>722365196see: >>722362365
>>722340362XIV refugee hereThis won't be the victory you expectTop percent players will just move on to third party tools and other cheats insteadIt won't change anythingPeople do NOT want to play the game properly
>>722365056No, I read your post.You said now we have to get good without addons. Are you good? Are you a top player without addons?
>>722365226Cant be part of the playerbase if they dont play the game
>>722365123I accept your concession, CElet
>>722344598>>722344718This shit was banned immediately after wod
>>722365321>People do NOT want to play the game properly>properlyIf your own game can't play properly without plugins or addons, it's not proper to begin with,
>>722365232>literal one button rotationbotting as a CORE FEATURE.It's not a core feature. it massively increases your GCD. It's not competitive for any class and is a 30~50% handicap for haste focused classes. It's literally for physically/mentally handicapped players -- so sounds like it's perfect for you.
>>722365340Yeah sure, why not, i'm literally the best player in the world, and if I ever saw you in real life I would lift your 300 kilogram body over my head with one arm and throw you into the sun.
>>722364138Is there some tell for how those pillars fall? Kinda hard to tell when only part of the screen is visible, do they just fall onto one dude when the monster screeches so you'd just have to keep moving?
Blizzard started the arms race. This was never an addon issue. The addons were made because Blizzard started doing more complicated shit in the raid designs.
>>722365341You don't pay their sub. Checkmate.
>>722365474from the webm they look like they fall toward the middle of the room?
>>722364379you were the kid who cheered when the other kid got his toy taken away on the playground weren't you?
>>722365485They don't even have to do like 90% of this to block the addons from solving boss mechanics. All you need is private auras and disabling chat/addon message reading in combat. They're breaking everything else for no reason.
>>722365342not him but i'm almost there!
>let's turn Retail into classic slopnigga why would you ever do that?
>>722365081Sharty should had nuked them from orbit, bur the soiteens are weak
>>722365753>lemix in 2 weeks>Still fighting The DimensiusNGMI
>>722365529Doesn't refute what I said faggot
>wow was never goo-https://files.catbox.moe/wi8g8j.mp4
>>722365342Kek that's what i thought fag. Dont try and measure dicks if your opening statement isn't a picture of your meat, it exudes posturing.
>>722365753Dogman...
>>722365847kino alert
>>722339957>Killing the game by killing the only thing that sets it apart from the other trashI can't wait to sit around for 18 waiting for the built in Temu option to get features the addon creators would add in 2 days!Oh by the way, it's so restrictive you can't even filter chat with mods anymore so enjoy the spam.
>>722365847https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kegQzuyrS_E15 years ago, btw.
>>722365304addons back then where in no way capable of doing what they're doing now
>>722365841You're not an authority, chodesmoke. Your opinion is invalid. Blizzard will never balance the game or develop the game around you. Cope, seethe, dilate.
>>722366019The addon API was 100x less restrictive back then retardWe haven't even had real range radar in 10 years
>>722365692why are you resorting to projection?
How to actually make WoW better and more like vanilla/BC:>remove quest markers from game>completely remove quest API>rewrite every single quest so it's possible to follow directions>remove mythic raids>remove M+How not to make WoW like vanila:>remove UI customization>>722366019You can't be serious. LMAO. Addons could do almost anything besides move your character back then
>>722365827ain't nobody is playing remix on launch if they knew how mop went
>>722364371I really don't think it's that obfuscated. Blizzard was bought out by Microsoft. Microsoft own xbox/gamepass. Xbox only allows inhouse approved modding for only a handful of games, most are outright banned (A mod cannot add a new file on xbox, it can only replace an existing one, so the only mods available are basically texture/audio swaps)Combine that with the 30-50%(Mage lost about 50% of their abilities) class pruning they're doing in Midnight I'd say it's pretty safe to say that within the next couple WoW will be on Xbox in the same way FF14 is on PS.
>>722366172Everyone looked up the solutions for quests on Thottbot or whatever before there were any questing addons, there wouldn't really be that much of a point in removing all that shit. I doubt that it's possible to make questing interesting in any game at this point, outside of actually hiring a bunch of competent writers so that the people who might enjoy it could actually have something to enjoy.
>>722366328>Midnight I'd say it's pretty safe to say that within the next couple WoW will be on Xbox in the same way FF14 is on PS.I hate this shitty timeline we're in. I'm sure when I was a kid, a small part of me wished mmos were on my nintendo or my playstation. But growing up is realizing how retarded of an idea that is. Imagine playing Ragnarok Online on PS2. Hell no.
Humiliation ritual
>>722366074that may be so, but the game was very simple back then so the need for these functionalities wasn't there
>>722366172Classictards really just have a mental condition where they want everyone to play their game, while retail players just want to play their game. Classic/vanilla are nostalgia baits for dunning kruger players, and you can't convince me otherwise.
>>722366535Not me. Im enjoying Classic MoP currently. Im glad to not have retail players there. If anything, it feels more comfy.
>>722365847>Hunter has its pet on passive>Takes around 5 seconds to issue attack command>Stands with his back to flare's edge for free ambush>Wont use half his skills>Goes into melee instead of kiting when he's out of melee range and his concussive shot is off colmdown>Takes a good 20 seconds to pop Bestial Wrath>Doesnt use pet skills at all"WoW was great back when I could juuuust barely beat enemies that had literal brain damage"
>>722366658hunters are not your average player.
>>722366658rogue also only pressed 2 buttons max every 5 seconds.
>>722366613Firstly, the classic andy's will say that MoP was one of the major expansions that killed the game.Secondly, MoP was when the game started to go in more of a retail direction, such as mythic raiding etc, there's a lot more retail players on MoP than you think.
>>722361895>le projectionoh, so you are upset?the only time DPS meters matter outside of dickmeasuring is to gatekeep people doing mythics.people who cannot meet the DPS checks will ruin the entire dungeon past certain key levels.its how the entire thing is tuned; you cannot be carried the entire way.as it is another surefire way to gatekeep retards is to refuse any randoms who are from south america or china.
>>722366434>Everyone looked up the solutions for quests on ThottbotI don't care, at least it forced them to write the quests in a way where you could complete them without looking them up. Modern WoW quests have zero direction in the text because they expect you to just blindly run to the map markers.
>>722367198lil bro isnt beating the upset allegations
>>722367191mythic came after mop sis
>>722367198>you cannot be carried the entire way.No one tell this dude about buying a carry
>>722367259> it forced them to write the quests in a way where you could complete them without looking them up.Did you ever play vanilla wow? They didn't do that at all.
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>>722367279>lil bro
>>722367432big sis?
>>722344375Kek, this
>>722367360>past certain key levelsNo one tell this dude how to read
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>>722366019What the fuck are you talking about? There used to be one button macros to play your entire class. Not at a penalty like the stupid auto-shit that was just added, at full strength. There used to be addons that would play you, as a healer, for you. In WotLK there was an addon that would tell you exactly where to stand by drawing shit on the game world.
>>722367375Yes, did you? Most quests had clear directions to point you in the correct direction. For example>Explore the mine and confirm these reports, then return to me. The mine is almost due south of Goldshire, between the Stonefield and Maclure homesteads.>Garrick Padfoot - a cutthroat who's plagued our farmers and merchants for weeks - was seen at a shack near the vineyards, which lies east of the Abbey and across the bridge. Bring me the villain's head, and earn his bounty!I just clicked two random ass quests off Classic WoWHead and they both had directions
>>722367328No, no it didn't. Siege of Orgrimmar adds the difficulty split.
>>722339957>healing a dead corpse
>>722367746in pre-patch
I feel like none of this would have been a problem if Blizzard didn't launch WoW with such a woefully inadequate interface in the first place. Too me, weakauras went out of control because blizzard saw addons like healbot or elvui and dbm and just did fuck all to incorporate the most basic improvements into the stock UI. I don't even think you could move your own player and target frames until fucking legion or something, it was stupid.
>>722367746in the wod prepatch sis
>>722367724Two Elwynn Forrest quests, which happens to be the single most focus tested area in the entire game by far. Try playing Kalimdor a bit human lover.
>>722367883What expansion does that occur in? Oh MoP? Thanks for confirming that, for the third time, for me.
>>722339957amazing change, too bad it's 10 years to late and it's coming to a game that has wheelchair khadgar and disabled clan leaders in it
>>722360824Wow is still really fun. It just always required a guild. The only people left are faggot spics and trans women, so it’s unplayable due to the community.
>>722367626No it doesntThat was WoD prepatch. Mythic wasnt a thing during actual Siege
>>7223680266.0 is not MoP you tard
>>722367993Not that anon but I just looked up a bunch of random Tanaris quests and they all had proper directions. Then again it's not a big sample size and I don't feel like checking them all. But I guess some of the shittier Kalimdor zones might suffer from a lack of direction.
>>722367993Ok, here's some from Desolace, one of the shittiest vanilla zones in Kalimdor>Northwest of here, along the coast, is a vast coral reef that the naga have taken as their home when this close to the shore. You can find their oracles there. The Slitherblade are deadly and will not react kindly to your intrusions, so be careful and make haste.>Along that same coast, but to the north near Ranazjar Isle, there're night elf ruins at the bottom of the ocean. A tribe of naga, the Slitherblade, make that their home. I think that'd be our best bet.>Do me a favor and journey to Shadowprey Village. Talk to the local fisherman Jinar'Zillen and bring me back my favorite, Bloodbelly fish. The road south of here will take you west to the troll village.
>>722339957I've played WoW for 20 years and NEVER used addons. Never installed a DPS meter, threat, nothing.I only ever installed a Map addon for coordinates, and something like Auctionator for AH and Postal for mailbox.But in current retail WoW, i literally dont use any addons except Leatrix Maps.You don't fucking need addons for WoW to be good at WoW and if you do, you're shit I'm sorry.
>>722368548no plater? weakaura? dbm?
>>722368548>I'm too lazy to know how to manage tools, so Im going to make myself sound smart and superior for being incompetent.
>>722368603if you didnt die and the boss is dead, you dont need that shit.>>722368626they are deleting addons and now you suck at the game! it shows.
>>722366017>we addon users have it pretty tough
>>722368683>actually being carried is fineCan you post your realm so it sees me the time of checking every soultap in the game to find your gray parses
>>722368548>>722368683
>>722368794>he thinks i waste time on pve
>>722369071then what are you good at?
>>722367770It never died
>>722365919I asked you first bitch post it and you'll get mine
>>722369071oh, you just play minigame stuff?
>>722343339No wonder Esfand just gave up on trying to use them kek.
>>722362767you see the dark truth now that people Very Concerned about addons in XIV are morons, especially given that the only cheating incentives would be savage shit and ultimate shit that don't feed into anything but savage and ultimates anywaya
>>722369328lets put it this way.Im really good at PvP.And I can do things like Black Harvest or Mage Tower when they were current in LFR rags.Without addons telling me how to play or what to do.PvP has died because Blizzard doesnt care about it anymore and PvP addons killed PvP.
>>722369181this kills the doomfag
>>722363393I like the other version of this better
>im really good at PvP
>>722369492yeah like I said, minigame stuff
>>722369492Black harvest and mage tower arent impressive at allThe fact that you're trying to flex them instantly outs you as a shitter
>>722369880>>722369952its not hard to be a pve mythic 3/12 hero either ;)nor is it impressive.
I knew I could trust Ion Hazikostas
>>722369850pve faggots ruined the game. when pvp was peak, wow was peak numbers as well.see wotlk and legion.
>>722370506PvE was always the main focus of the game. Battlegrounds were an afterthought lmao.
>>722368548actually embarrassing stuff
>>722369492bragging on 4chan about it definitely makes you special
>>722369828I need this now
>>722343339kek nice one
>>722368794The screenshots are from 2020 Anon, as of the filename. This dude quit 6 years ago and he STILL comes into WoW threads to pretend he was hot stuff.Ultra sad.
>>722339957good, they should do the same with classic+
It's a nice gesture but it's far too late, the community won't let it fly either they will backtrack on most of this.
>>722343884you lost, parsetranny
APOLOGIZE
he won.
>>722339957eh there's been other addons affected by API changes in the past.in Vanilla I had one that would with 1 click of a hotkey... automatically target a raid member without a HOT on them and cast rejuvenation on them and then go back to my previous target (the tank). I could lazily top healing charts without even really paying attention because I was keeping HoTs on anyone taking damage while keeping focus on the tank.an update broke that functionality entirely and I just had to stop being lazy about it.
so they're banning cheats?
>>722374392er specifically it was raid members without an HOT on them that were under 75% health
>>722370506impressively gay and retarded
>>722340362you literally can't do this or else they'll just make a hacked version that enables it in dungeons and raids too, you have to completely lock all access
Have fun with your hyper AOTC gatekeeping you dumbass faggots that can't handle 1 wipe
>>722339957nobody cares about DBM anymore
>>722339957Rare Blizzard W
>>722340897>blizzard>integritystfu
If old encounters were designed around addons how will they work in timewalking without them
>>722368548>I NEVER used addons>except these ones I used>but in retail I don't use ANY addons>except for this one I usecome ooooon
>>722368548>>722368683>>722369071one of the gayest and most retarded faggots I've ever encountered in my entire life
>>722339957Addons have always been WoW so clearly this is not WoW anymore.I mean thats been obvious since they replaced literally all of the original devs with trannies.With the one button auto play macro and the removal of aspects that can only work on PC I assume they are pushing for a console release. or maybe even mobile release.
interesting to see how this will affect boss design. when i last played (MoP) fights were about 50% built around the assumption that players would have weakauras/DBM installed especially Blackfuse, Horridon, etc. mythic was nearly impossible without addons
>>722370506This is actually true, all the best classic videos are pvp ones but most WoWbabs are brainwashed by the ginger ratnigger who killed the pvp spirit of the game with his WAAAAH!!! THIS IS RUINING MY STREAM rants
>>722364453Do you not want people to find out you can't press 3-5 buttons in the right order? What is wrong with a dps meter?
>>722364917Reading comprehension or just retarded?
>>722375801who the fuck cares about mythic
>>722363708Having a shitty opinion is ok in 2025!
>>722364262Exactly. That's the point. Why keep pandering to the dwindling blind loyal audience if the product has become trash? They're reaching out to people like me, who don't find what the game has turned into fun. I'm willing to give it another try with a move like this.
>>722365321Unlike XIV, WoW has a proper anti cheat and encryption fucks with modifications every patch. Well, used to anyway, idk if that's still a hurdle.
>>722364262lol, lmao even. There's a large number of people who refuse to interact with modern raids or m+ because of the insane add on bloat you need to do the mechanics.>"b-but you don't need the add ons it just makes it easier"Receiving the answer key to an exam makes it easier than if you didn't have the answer key. It won't take the test for you but it makes it a hell of a lot easier.
>>722379110stop being a little bitch. video games sometimes require you to not get shit handed to you. for someone who is arguing about the games being easier and all, guys like you are sure making such a big fuss for having to manage a lot of things. You're more casual than you think, faggot.
>>722379531wow is the only mmo that has extreme add on bloat. Everything required to play the game at a high level should be included in the base game.
>>722343339>we want the wildstar audienceseven years late on that
>>722339957>FFXIV shits itself>now thisWell, if they even begin to unfuck the story and the woke shit I'd maybe consider it
>>722339957Do casual faggots realise this hurts them more than it hurts sweats
>>722379947How does that make any sense? Sweats rely on the addons waaaay more than a noob who hasn't even figured how to download and install an addon.
>>722379680Who the fuck cares. The game is more fun with addons. The only people crying are those who dont feel like managing addons at all. Just accept that you're a normie like the rest and youre crying cause the game isn't handing things to you.
>>722379907>Well, if they even begin to unfuck the story and the woke shit I'd maybe consider itHAHAHAHA
>>722339957I'd miss not having to squint to see what my health is if I still played
>>722380089yeah didnt think so
>>722379991Who do you think needs their hands held more when playing the game? As if downloading add-ons is some wizardry now days it's not 2006 anymore nigger.
>>722380670You're just a fucking retard. Sweats have become dependent on these addons. They've been using them since Cataclysm. They are going to struggle to play the game without them. A new player doesn't have the history and can learn new things faster because like I said before they have no prior knowledge. The entire game is going to shift without these addons. Addons that have been downloaded millions of times are soon going to be gone for perpetuity.
former wow players really act like the biggest victims lol
>>722345730*plays fury warrior with 2h in ur path*Slambros ww@
>>722363426They are objectively better and more successful than any WoW expansion in the last 15 years, actually.
>>722379947casuls don't use addons
>>722339957The best part about this is it'll finally kill the game
