Unironically who is the most incompetent?
playstation panic bought bungie and made concord.
>>722369764Sony.>moved HQ to california>shut down japan studio>endless moviegames>endless remasters>endless gaas projects>sitting on tons of beloved IPs, just letting them rot>everything must be triple a>Horizon>>>>Concord>buys up a bunch of studios who havent produced shit or were let go because they didnt have good shit (Bungie lmao)>moving more and more games to pcoops, no gaems! what the fuck is a ps5 even for, after 5 years?
>>722369764PlayStation and Xbox are on the same level of incompetence. This is what happens when you're not a game company from the ground up. Also, abandoning handhelds (Sony), and abandoning PC gaming (Microsoft) is a death sentence for them. Nintendo and Valve took those markets without anyone even putting up a real fight.
What competence Microsoft ever had with Xbox left with Peter Moore. That said, Sony's trying hard to play catch-up with this live service shit. Nintendo's greedy as shit, but they aren't stupid.
>>722370567Look, I like PSP and Vita well enough but they were never as important to Sony's identity as the PS1 and PS2. Every success, failure, and inbetween since has been cushioned by the reputation of those two consoles. To this day, they still are.
>>722369764Xbox. They've lost 2 generations in a row and based on the leaks/rumors for next gen they'll be coming in dead last again. Legit the ONLY reason Xbox hasn't gone belly up like Dreamcast is because they're backed by the largest software company in the world. If literally ANYONE else owned Xbox other than Microsoft, that shit would've went bankrupt by now but Microshit prints money so they'll continue to waste it. Gamepass continues to bleed money and isn't a long term solution and them putting their first party exclusives on Playstation is just a bandage that won't do much in the long term either.Nintendo is a children's toy and console for toddlers and manchildren so as long as they appeal to kids it'll sell like hot cakes because kids don't know any better. They just want to play bing bing wahoo and their parents will buy it for them.Sony is going full retarded ONCE AGAIN. We've seen this song and dance already. They killed it with the PS2. Then went full retard with the PS3. They started to get their shit together at the tail end of the PS3 and then knocked it out the park with the PS4...now they're back to being full retard. Every time they do something right, they get cocky and shove their own head up their ass and then shit the bed. If Xbox wasn't so utter dog shit, Sony would be in deep shit but Xbox might as well be ran by literally 0 IQ monkeys at this point.Most incompetent? No contest it's Xbox with Sony coming in 2nd. Nintendo would be 2nd but they can do no wrong when their main appeal are literal children that don't know any better.
>>722370486No one bought the medievil remake.
>>722369764Is this even a question? It’s Xbox hands down. Sony’s disastrous live service push is retarded but it’s not close to the entire decade of Xbox fumbling and not being able to put out decent games even with constant delays and cancellations. Are we forgetting how they bought Tango Gameworks which FINALLY gave them a Japanese dev that makes unique games and after all the positive word of mouth from Hi-Fi Rush they decided to SHUT DOWN the fucking studio? Xbox in the modern age is the God emperor of incompetence
>>722370778They represented their indie and AA side, the moment they got rid of them was the moment they gave up on indies and AAs for AAAs, and that was their downfall. Same damn mistake Microsoft made, but for Microsoft it was PC. Indies and AAs are the lifeline of gaming, never give up on them to become Hollywood.
>>722370956Correct on Xbox. MS has so much fuck you money that they can afford a prospect as hedonistic as Gamepass. No one in their right mind who values money could see a return in that shit against the costs and potential revenue lost from just doing shit normally. Difference between Netflix and Gamepass is that film companies can still make their millions at the box office, Netflix hits DVD/Blu-ray sales harder than theaters. Gamepass just makes everything direct to streaming and eats into physical like DVD/Blu-ray with no theater element to counterbalance. Where's the money for the developers here? Has to be Microsoft since they've got it to waste. Fuck if anyone else does.
>>722369764MS. there's no point in owning an xbox anymore when everything is on gamepass and computers are getting cheaper. you're not going to play anything in 4K but stillSony isn't much better but they have a massive locked in userbase
>>722371076I blame the encroaching Western influence on that decision. Playstation as a brand has always valued things like cutting edge presentation and cinematics, but when they were predominantly a Japanese company they found the time to value the little things. Even before the HQ migration to California, you had shitheads like Phil Harrison flubbing the PS3 launch and Andrew House visibly trying to not seethe every time someone said "Vita" near him. At least Shawn Layden was generally alright.
>>722369764Xbox and the others don't even close. Anyone that says otherwise if brain rotted from console war faggotry.
>>722370969I did. It was the last Sony product that I loved.
>>722369764Isn't Xbox basically confirmed to be dropping out of consoles and going just to cloud-based game pass service model, and being just a publisher instead?I guess that makes them the most incompetent.
>>722370969I will legit buy it on Steam when I get the Steam Deck 2 in 2028.
>>722370956it's funny to watch snoys keep pulling the "le kids le toddlers" meme for Nintendo when they've confirmed multiple times that the average age of Switch owners is in the mid-20s.
>>722372443Yup, they're going multiplatform and for what's left of their cult, they're telling them to use their Xbox app on PC or move to cloud gaming. I can see Sony doing similar, not exactly the same, but similar. Gaming pretty much now belongs to Nintendo and Valve now.
>>722372443Should've happened about 15 years ago. Only reason it hasn't is because Microsoft makes money faster than Xbox bleeds it out.
>>722369764>Nintendo: has a strong capital, has the talent to dominate, has the economic knowledge to dominate and being sustainable but chooses to not do it and stay behind every new trend >Sony: nuked exclusives, third party driven model depending on them to have software, advocated for graphics in systems and brands where graphics were never a key topic making their platform unsustainable, proceeded to neglect its own little capital of making games for itself>Xbox: Xbox is by far the most incompetent. Imagine having infinite wallet money and STILL ensure ending 3rd in a race of 3 participants while making your platform worse to the few people that bought in the process as well as spending literal billion.This shit has to be some sort of world record
>>722369764Xbox is literally dying right now and hasn't been relevant in 10 years, so them
>>722372670>Nintendo: has a strong capital, has the talent to dominate, has the economic knowledge to dominate and being sustainable but chooses to not do it and stay behind every new trend>prices are skyrocketing because of these "new trends" yet retards still keep asking for itNintendo is the only smart one of the three for not falling for it.
>>722369764Anyone saying anything other than Xbox is retarded or a buttmad cultist for their faction.
>>722370567>Nintendo and Valve took those markets without anyone even putting up a real fight.Sony was making a pretty strong fight with PS1 and PS2, the problem of Sony beyond chasing dated trends that were merely "hot" back then was not working thinking in the long term.>>722370956>Nintendo is a children's toy and console for toddlers and manchildren so as long as they appeal to kids it'll sell like hot cakes because kids don't know any better.Are we going to delude ourselves thinking videogames are toys and the main core of gaming aren't grown ass men playing with electronic toys now?
>>722372670That's what happens when you have all of the money and no real vision behind it. There's been a few bright spots despite their incompetence - Bungie era Halo, early Gears, arguably Xbox Live Arcade - but in the grander scheme those moments look more and more like luck in hindsight.
>>722372443>Isn't Xbox basically confirmed to be dropping out of consolesSince Xbox One. But some people have been denying that ever since>>722372714>Xbox is literally dying right nowThing that pissed you off at the current moment is not indication of anything dying. EVER.
>>722372878>Sony was making a pretty strong fight with PS1 and PS2, the problem of Sony beyond chasing dated trends that were merely "hot" back then was not working thinking in the long term.That's the problem with Sony and Microsoft, they only think in the short term, that will give them some gain but it leads to long term pain.
>>722372829And don't forget that when Nintendo makes one of these, albeit half-assed as they always do, that people will go "wtf why are you doing it like this?! your so EEeEvIIillL". Modern consumer deserves every bit of hell tbqh
Nintendo milking their fan base isn't incompetent. It sucks for whoever gets milked but it's not incompetent.Sony doubling down on live services makes sense too. For every 5 flops hopefully they make a helldivers which makes tens of billions. If you're the only game in town then the next step forward is making all of the revenue from the purchases on your platform instead of just 30%Microsoft is retarded. They're only half-committed and it shows. They could've dominated gaming but they missed the boat.The most incompetent people involved are the customers.
>>722373189N64 and Gamecube weren't halfassed so much as misguided. Nintendo made some very anachronistic calls with the N64 like the decision to stick with cartridges, and their implementation of discs on Gamecube didn't leave too many impressed next to PS2, not to mention the half-step improvements in controller design compared to the Dualshock. It's funny to think about, but I don't think Nintendo has ever implemented cutting edge disc technologies with their consoles, they've always been behind in that regard. Switch running back to cartridges is a little bit funny, though at least the portable aspect of it made that decision make sense.
>>722373189They do, all these companies, Nintendo, Valve, Sony, and Microsoft look at the long-term of things. The problem with Sony and Microsoft is that neither are video game companies, they're massive corporations. The corporate part of them want that money NOW, so this leads to short term gain, long term pain. Nintendo and Valve don't have this problem which is why they're successful.
>>722373564>N64 and Gamecube weren't halfassed so much as misguidedThey weren't trends, anon.
>>722373575>Sony, and Microsoft look at the long-term of thingsWas losing market share and having to bounce back into services to get profits to compensate part of thinking in the long term?
>>722369764Sony is by far the most incompetent, the Jim Ryan, hermen hulst era is the most retarded leadership I've seen in any industry. 90% of your projects getting shut down while you panic buy hyper expensive dog shit studios is objectively awful decision making. Microsoft is failing because their first party studios are all American and Americans can't make games anymore. Nintendo wins by default but they have entered the Sony/MS flop trajectory.
>>722373594Fair enough, I misread that point. I would say Nintendo's approach to things like discs and HD certainly feel like Johnny-come-lately attempts at adapting standards that they interpreted as trends. Usually, Nintendo's more comfortable in trying to trailblaze with shit literally no one else is doing. That's worked out for them a few times.
>>722369764>Most Jap devs are skipping over it completely since it's irrelevant>Cancelled and ported all their exclusives worth caring about to PC and other platforms>Just recently shot Goypass in the footI can't think of anything more humiliating than being an Xbot in this day and age, even SEGAbros went down with more dignity.
>>722373664I don't even know, they had plans but scraped them for that short term money. Nintendo and Valve were smart for coming up with something that would set them for life, Nintendo's IPs, Valve's Steam. Sony and Microsoft didn't do this and Sony now has to rely on live service to make singleplayer slop while Microsoft needed to buy big publishers to make them infinite money through 7th gen franchises and mobile while turning all their multiplayers into live services. Neither have the money to focus on smaller projects anymore. If we do see any from them, it'll be rare.
>>722373991>Usually, Nintendo's more comfortable in trying to trailblaze with shit literally no one else is doing.That's a good way of putting it>HDD for 64>Famicom disk system>Virtual BoyHDD and Virtual Boy were literally ideas when the tech wasn't just there for them.
>>722373704>the Jim Ryan, hermen hulst era is the most retarded leadership I've seen in any industryDon Mattrick has them beat hand over fist.https://youtu.be/QEOuKH-W8yM?si=uFOgsG2lK7idNskOThis is the line that put Xbox on life support. It didn't kill it - that was Sony's used game instruction video - but in mere seconds it put the brand in the hospital.>90% of your projects getting shut down while you panic buy hyper expensive dog shit studios is objectively awful decision makingSo what Microsoft does. Never mind shit like Scalebound, we just watched them buy Activision Blizzard and recently cancel shit like the Perfect Dark revival. You also described Microsoft.
>>722374023>Microsoft needed to buy big publishers to make them infinite moneyAnd the funniest part is... they only bought shitty publishers and devs.>>722374323And then you have to add Phil Spencer. Time is not an excuse for him; a decade and nothing was really done under him. Xbox had 2 complete joke tier leaderships
they're all dogshitSony is the most incompetentMS gives the least amount of fucksyet Nintendo is still the last one I'd choose and has the most insufferable fanbase
>>722374408>And the funniest part is... they only bought shitty publishers and devs.lmao, both Microsoft and Sony are so fucked that even going third party won't save them, every game they release will have to walk on a tight rope, hoping they don't fall off.
>>722374408Phil was handed a dead thing and cried like a little bitch about it for a decade.
>>722369920It's definitely between Sony and Microsoft. Concord alone is the worst failure in video game history so it's probably Sony.
Sony. Nintendo is probably doing the best of the three, Microsoft never had a chance to break into Japan. Sony had it all and just fumbled since the PS3.
>>722374648And somehow made it worse and couldn't lead good proucts under his wing. At least fucking Mattrick brought Sunset Overdrive and Killer Instinct, Phil has Crackdown 3, nuDoom Dark ages and Oblivion remastered (which is 90% the old game's code)
>>722369764ironically who is the most incompotent?semironically who is the most incompotent?
>>722374745PS3's twilight years and going into the middle of PS4's life wasn't bad. I'd say from about 2009 - 2017 Sony was stabilizing. They were also given a free win in 2013 with PS4's launch as well so that's nice. But from about 2018 onwards we've seen them slowly, painfully descend into territory that makes 2006 - 2008 look like a fucking joke.
>>722374701Sony eats bigger point blank losses, especially here in the last few years, but Microsoft has been playing the long game on abject failure. They've been in steady decline since the fucking Kinect launched 15 years ago.
>>722370567>This is what happens when you're not a game company from the ground up.This is probably the most important point. Sony and Microsoft are massive mega corporations with a gaming branch, not game companies. If the Xbox and Playstation branches got shut down tomorrow Microsoft and Sony might make fewer billions of dollars, but they'd still be multi-billion dollar companies. If the same happened to Nintendo then they're dead.Nintendo can't afford to be as incompetent as Sony or Microsoft because that would put Nintendo out of business.
>>722369764Microsoft is less incompetent and more apathetic and aggressively greedy. I'mma give it to Sony, Concord was insane.
>>722369764>Xbox>Sony>Nintendo
>>722369764Microsoft's the most incompetent, Nintendo's just got the most utterly soulless and insufferable business / legal teams. Sonys just kinda there
Snoy by far
>>722369764microsoft. anyone not saying xbox probably hasn't played in that ecosystem in 15 years, which just proves how shit they are lolmade their consoles unappealing to anyone who likes physical games, unappealing to anyone who likes japanese games, fucked up their achievement system starting with the xbox one by requiring a server check-in to unlock anything (including offline story achievements) when the way achievements were on 360 worked just fine, was the first to remove local save back ups with the xbox one (granted their cloud save backups were always free, but still), tried to bring paid online to PC with in the early days of GFWL, the xbox app sucks dick, enshittified microsoft rewrads and goypass, etc..
>>722376857Cope.
>>722369764Depends on ur definition of incompetentSony has the biggest fuck ups but they're also the one with the most accolades. Meanwhile Mircrosoft is just sitting there slowly letting their IPs die in mediocrity.
Only time I felt Sony actually gave a shit was with the PS1-early PS4 which includes the PSP and Vita here. Only time I felt Microsoft gave a shit was with the original Xbox-early Xbone. After these points, I feel like Sony and Microsoft just stopped giving a shit and just coasted.
>>722376857I've never bought into their "ecosystem". Microsoft's approach has never made complete sense to me even in their better days. To say they've been easy to ignore over the last 15 years is an understatement. It's really only when recent news breaks that I even remember they're still around.
>>722369764Xbox has put themselves into the biggest hole, Xbox may as well be dead as a brand.Nintendo has burnt the most good will, in the shortest amount of time.For whatever reason, Sony wants to copy Xbox and put everything on PC, killing their console's reason to exist.It's all different flavors of stupid.
Xbox and its not even close. They went from being THE online gaming consoles to pretty much non existent
>>722370567They really aren't though. Movie gamers or not, they had SOME output. It cost Microsoft a billion dollars just to put out a half-baked Halo game, their golden goose IP. They spent all this money on a shit ton of studios just to shut half of them down
>>722369764Xbox
How could anyone here say anyone but Pajeetsoft.Look I get wanting to dab on Sony or Nintendo but Microsoft's gaming division is actually run by complete fucking retards.
>>722374323Of course they have the same problems, Sony currently has it worse, the 90% failure rate on their greenlight process is not an exaggeration. Sony's panic buying was triggered by Microsoft except MS had a plan while Sony was just spending money because of peer pressure. Everything playstation is doing is contradictory, their main market is consoles yet they have made their console unappealing by releasing everything on PC. Their main draw is AAA single player games yet 100% of their investment went into GAAS shit, their core cultural identity was Japanese and British, their core markets were Japan and Europe yet they rejected it all for California. xbox may have flopped but they had a coherent plan
>>722369764Playstation has incompetent designers, developers and executivesXbox has those too but is also part of the single most incompetent tech company out there And Nintendo has such an incompetent userbase that they don't have to make good games anymore - just games where an overanimated cartoon character has to collect 300 bingbongs without any challrngr
Snoy
>>722380469True, but usually when Microsoft doesn't something retarded, Sony is somewhat close behind doing something similar. I honestly don't think either of them recovered from the 7th generation starting from like 2009 on up compared to Nintendo and PC gaming which did recover after that time period.
>>722383638*does
They've all had their blunders but how can you not say it's Microsoft? The guys bought Activision for 68.7 billion dollars when the studio made 1.5 billion dollars profit in 2022. >>722380512Only thing Microsoft is missing is US and Japanese divisions sabotaging each other like Sega did
>>722380701>xbox may have flopped but they had a coherent planWhich was what, Gamepass? At least Sony, in all of their current retardation, greenlights fucking anything. I do agree that live service shit is driving them to their death, but MS has been the walking dead since the Xbone.
>>722384663Sony's Bungie purchase is worse.
>>722372443Adjusting for the future far better than trying to hit the Live Service Jackpot is far more competent, however the rest of their video game division more than makes up for it by incompetence by design
>>722381074anon had a stroke at the end of his post
Xbox and it's not even a competition. I say this as a former consolefag.
I can't decide between Xbox and Sony... Xbox just can't make anything right, but I guess Activision was a good acquisition that can keep them afloat. Meanwhile Sony has been cancelling a lot of GaaS garbage that they decided to make, and also bought Bungie for 2 billion dollars (worst acquisition ever)...
Sony because they're trying, I don't think Microsoft cares about Xbox anymore.
>>722385159Now that you brought it up it's close imo. They bought Bungie even though they were on year 5 of Destiny 2 and now all their live service crap is burning up.
>>722386527At least Microsoft can make money off of Activision's properties eventually. Bungie has fucking nothing.
>>722384663>>722385159
>>722369764Sony, hands down.
In this instance microsoft. They had everything even after the red ring of death madness and they fucked it all up in one switft move with the always online bullshit they were trying to push.