Was he actually evil, or did he just want to have tournaments and fight people?p8y04
yes
>>722370637The latter. He had Gokus DNA after all
>>722370637Well he was gleefully eating people, had no problem with murder, and was okay with committing omnicide from a tantrum of somebody being better than him. So yeah I'd say he was pretty evil
>>722370637Did you forget all the people he vored? He only wanted to murder everyone.
>>722370637Anon he didn't give a shit about tournaments when he was imperfect and semi perfect, all he did was vore people non-stop.And even when announcing the tournament he destoryed half the city to get there, killed the news anchor then killed off the other half of the city just to leave through the hole in the wall he made.So yes, he's evil.
What would Cell have done if he won?
>>722370637He killed a shit load of people without a moment's hesitation and was fine with wiping out the entire solar system to prove he was better than GohanYes he was evil
>>722370637>Goku>Vegeta>Piccolo>Frieza>King ColdBased on his DNA its seems he was more likely to turn good than stay evil.
>>722370970Probably found some other planet to bully and/or eat
>>722370970kill himself because living would be meaningless without any rival
>>722370970Keep abusing his hacks until he meets Beerus some day
>>722370826He only vored the androids, everyone else was sucked of their life force
>>722370970Get killed by Beerus when he finally wakes up.
>>722370970My man, he went on tv and said he would kill everyone on planet individually. He doesn't want to blow up the planet, he wanted to see the fear on every single person's face
>>722370637evil but with Goku's wakuwaku. At the end of the day his only programmed objective was to kill Goku but he outright said he didn't give a shit about that
>>722371162damn, he's just a literal murder hobo, the lowest tier of villain?
>>722372079>the lowest tier of villainand which e-celeb do you owe that opinion to?
>>722370637cell was just goku if goku didn't land headfirst on a rock when he was a baby
>>722370637Considering that he was a sore loser, I'd say it's the former. If he wanted just tournaments/have fights, then he would've seen someone beat him and think "Now how can I improve myself against him next time" rather than going deviantart mode
>>722370637He didn't follow the rules at all and only had fun when he knew he could win, when Gohan came and was stronger he fucking rage quit and cried about it.
>>722370637>Loses fair fight>Decides to suicide bombOf course Cell was evil you dumbass. Let's not forget the evil things he did in his Imperfect and Semi-perfect forms.
>>722370637Can't it be both?
Cell was such a shit villain. The whole "this timeline is wrong" setup with the brief mystery element to Cell was some of the best writing Dragonball ever mustered, only to ruin it by turning Cell into the worst villain with nothing going on of a series already full of them.
>>722370637Let's gloss over the litany of evil things he did in the actual story. What do you think his future plans were after he destroys the planet? Just go hopping between planets doing random good deeds?
>>722371162Cell probably had no idea just how many people are on the planet. I'm sure it would get old after like a few dozen and then he'd just blow up the planet and be done with it.
>>722371063Is there any possibility for Cell to become a Z warrior if things would have happened differently?
Piccolo Jr > Frieza > Beerus > Zamasu > Crane School > Saiyans > Red Ribbon Army > Buu > Cell > King Piccolo > Baby > Androids > Granolah > Moro > Pilaf > Jiren > Heeters > Shadow Dragons > Gohma > Super 17
>>722373486Probably, still not as retarded as Buu who acted way worse than even 17 and 18 yet got off scot-free
>>722373536dragonball is dragongay
>>722373357>>722371048>>722373404>it’s ok when Beerus does it
>>722373536But no-one can beat him when he's Super 17!
>>722373762Beerus actually listened to reason and only glassed niggers, Planet Vegeta deserved it
>>722373536Kek
>>722373762That's Beerus' entire job, and if he doesn't do it the universe could be erased killing off EVERYONE in the universe and not just singular planets.
>>722373891He nuked those with low "mortal levels" (whatever that means) because Zeno would nuke Universe 7 if he didn't. Beerus isn't evil in the same way an executioner isn't evil. >But this executioner has killed 17 people, how can you judge this serial killer who killed 16?!
>>722370637He was 100% evil. If he won the Cell Games, he planned to hunt down every person on earth for his own enjoyment.And Gero’s creations are all shown to have free will, even if they have a directive, and can choose to be good, so you can’t say he’s just a mindless machine following his programming either.
>>722374178Why would Lavos do this?
>>722372079Yes (and that's a good thing)
How would he have coped if he got knocked out of the ring when it was still there?
>>722373929Nice head canon. It’s shown Grand Zeno erase universes on a whim and don’t show any actual method or logic. Same with beerus destroying planets and killing billions cause he doesn’t like their food. He’s just a force of destruction for the sake of destruction, there’s no grand purpose
The problem I had with Cell and Super Buu is that they started as something new and weird, but as they achieved their ultimate forms, they basically just became Freeza again. The same smugness, the same sadism. I think this was caused by editor interference, as whenever Toriyama wanted to try something strange and different, they directed him back to safer ideas. I love the Kid Buu section because it feels like Toriyama rejecting his editor’s demands and making something weird again.More recently, I was very disappointed with the Moro arc for doing the same thing. Taking a villain with a unique design and fighting style and morphing him into just being Perfect Cell again. And at the same time, the mystery of his motivation end up being.. he just wants power and enjoys killing. They dropped the ball so hard with that arc it made me completely lose interest in any new manga-original arcs.
>>722370637The real question here was why wasn't Cell ever redeemed? Piccolo, Vegeta, and Maijin Buu all got a redemption phase and they were just as evil as Cell.>>722371063Honestly this is why Cell was lowkey the best fighter in Dragon Ball, he had all the technique of every fighter in the manga. Kamehameha, Solar Flare, Regeneration, Death Beam, etc.
>>722370637Cell is retroactively the weakest main dbz villain since super is a thing. Also cell saga is really don't like. I didn't like thr time travel mechanic or the haphazard revisions to the story or the action itself. Buu saga was more enjoyable
>>722374816>they basically just became Freeza againIf you've ever watched Dragon Ball for the story and not to see ripped guys punch each other, well I'm sorry your a retard. Its the same shit over and over. New guy comes, blows up some shit, talks about how evil they are, Goku (or some other Z Fighter) gets a new form, and he's defeated with a giant ki blast.
>>722374986>Piccolo, Vegeta, and Maijin BuuPiccolo and Majin Buu are separate entities from King Piccolo and Evil Buu. They were redeemed because they were never very evil to begin with, it only took one friendship for them to abandon any villainous ends.Vegeta was brought up in a culture where mass killing was encouraged. He was no different than almost any other Saiyan, so him being redeemed was always a possibility. Cell never showed any inclination for anything that could lead to a redemption. He exclusively enjoyed killing and had no interest in friendship.
>>722375245>y-you can’t just have an opinion on the story!Looks like I can.
>>722371063>dna dictates personality and opinionsehh?
>>722373891Beerus wasn't reasoned with, he was just mad that King Vegeta didn't fulfill his silly request for the most comfortable pillow in the universe, but was too lazy to blow up the planet himself. And for an equally trivial reason he only spared earth because he liked the food. He's literally a cat, but with the power to act on his destructive whims.
>>722375161Cell max doe so they could just not fuck up making him, was so lame they made him mindless cells whole thing is being smart and analytical. I took his desire to fight strong opponents coming out more after he transforms as reflecting the ssj personality change
>>722370637>kino alien bug form ditched for generic fighter because higher ups pressured Toriyama Who else is mad?
>>722374816I’m still mad.
>>722370637he ran around murdering random people on the street over and over so yeah, to the extent that the word means anything, def evilany random people that walked around town killing whoever they ran across would be evil too. This isn't a hard question
>>722374654The same way he did when he was about to get killed by Gohan, by going on a murderous rampage and saying "nah that shit doesn't count".
>>722375245If the story doesn’t matter, you could just show nothing but dudes punching each other and explosions with zero dialogue or context. But that would suck, and get boring after 5 minutes. The story always matters. Yes, even in something as dumb as Dragon Ball.
>>722375161>Frieza went from below SS1 level to SSB level in 4 months of training>Cell has Frieza's DNA>also has zenkai, which multiplied his power after self destructing>also has regeneration, negating Frieza's lack of stamina, and making training even easierHe is actually too powerful to bring back.
>>722370785Vegeta and Nappa come to earth, kill a lot and I mean a lot of innocent people>It's okay Vegeta you can fuck earth pussy and be forgiven Frieza is Napoleon Space Hitler and goes around eradicating planets full of sentient and usually peaceful aliens >It's okay Frieza you can leave hell and go back to being space Hitler Cell is just a lab grown sentient creature literally made up of bad and good guys and barely kills as many humans as the Androids he literally kills and eats>YOU MUST DIE!!!! NEVER COME BACK DEVIL!!!
>>722376753>Cell is just a lab grown sentient creature literally made up of bad and good guys None of that has any bearing on how evil he is.>barely kills as many humans as the Androids he literally kills and eatsHe didn’t eat the androids who killed millions of people, those were from a separate timeline. The ones in our timeline hadn’t killed anyone but Gero.As for Vegeta and Freeza, it took the whole series for Vegeta to be redeemed, and Freeza was only resurrected because the fate of the Universe hung in the balance.
>>722370637>created using the DNA of all of the Z fighters>Frieza and King Cold too>is wildly evilWhat did they mean by this?
>>722377094That's like saying killing Hitler as a baby is wrong because he hadn't killed anyone yet
>>722377101I mean Goku was inherently evil until he got brain damage as a baby. If you cloned Goku you would just get an evil Goku who want's to kill everyone.
>>722377101Well he was made by Gero, who was an evil man himself. All of his creations start out evil, but are also shown to be capable of change. Cell just enjoys eating people and their terror too much to ever want to change.
>>722376753They wished those people back and Vegeta reformed. Nappa stayed dead. Whis authorized Frieza's return and he helped them save the multiverse, so they owe him some deference. After Beerus and the ToP they had to accept that planetary destruction is just part of the universe, and all they can do is protect their own planet and friends, unless they become strong enough to topple the universal order.
>>722377446>so they owe him some deferenceThey could have just killed him again. That's retarded.
>>722377190No it’s not. There’s no indication that 17 and 18 from our timeline wanted to cause mass death and it’s even remarked on that they aren’t as evil as Trunks remembered.Second, you say “that’s like saying it’s wrong to kill hitler as a baby because he hadn’t done anything yet” as a gotcha, but that’s literally true. It’s wrong to kill an innocent baby. There are any number of ways you could direct Hitler’s life from a young age if you had a Time Machine that would prevent him from growing into the man he did. Blaming someone for the actions of a future alternate timeline version of them is not morally justifiable.
that reminds me that DBM finally got into its final "arc".Almost 20 years running
>>722373536>Piccolo Jr over FriezaHow? Also Crane school should be way lower on that list. And Buu is literally Pure Evil.
>>722377682that brown slut they've been showing is bonerificI also fapped a lot to Bra
>>722377675brb killing you as a baby
>>722370637>Was he actually evilYeah he was quite the dick all things considered. Too much Frieza genes and Saiyan pride.>>722372079Technically, Cell's whole motivation was to reach his Perfect form. Everything after was just him rubbing it in people's faces.
>>722377581They might need him again if Zeno gets uppity, which happens out of nowhere. He brings up their universe's mortal level immensely. So you either risk letting him live or risk your whole universe. In a sense he's a necessary evil, just like Beerus.
>>722377829Well I’m still here, so you must’ve killed someone else as a baby by accident.
>>722370637Cell was bluffing, he just wanted a good fight because of his WAKU WAKU genes and he knew if Earth was destroyed then all the strong opponents would be gone
>>722378186He tried to nuke the earth when he lost..
>>722370637>debating the motivations of dragonball villainsdid you notice how everyone who grew up with dragonball and made their own series was like>what if there was an actual story and motivation for the characters
>>722374986>The real question here was why wasn't Cell ever redeemed?You have to prove you can be redeemed while you're alive. If Cell didn't immediately rush to Earth to murder everyone after blowing up Goku, well he'd still be the asshole that killed Goku, but the potential for something better was there.
>>722373645all they had to do was to hang out with him for awhile
>>722374986>The real question here was why wasn't Cell ever redeemed?The actual reason is that he's a bitch to draw. If you removed his spots he could realistically fight alongside the other homicidal maniacs.
>>722378129Anon... I think you need to have a talk with your parents....
>>722370637PAN!
>>722370637Future Cell was a massive shithead that needed to die.Present Cell, however, might've had a chance at being salvaged into a friend had Future Trunks not vaporized his fetus on sight.
>>722373645Do you people just not remember that there are two distinct Buus, and the evil Buu was the one causing Majin Buu to do bad things?
>>722373645In Buu's defense, he was basically a child in terms of mentality; and if the strongest man on Earth can deal with him, so can those flying freaks
>>722378385>Buu is so overpowered he had to be written out of the plot until the Moro saga
>>722370637he has frieza in him, what the fuck do you think?
>>722378318Those series just shove in thousands of flashbacks to pretend something is going on.
I can’t believe they teased Fit Buu and never did anything with him.
>>722378837which Super had cause it was influenced by those other series
>>722370637He tried to blow up the planet because he lost to a teenager. TWICE
>>722375841I sincerely hope that Toei, when they do DBS S2, fixes the Moro arc and makes him a more interesting character.
The funny thing is, there actually is a version of Cell who could have been redeemed. The present one from the main timeline. It was killed by Krillin and Trunks when they blew up Gero’s lab, but it hadn’t done anything wrong yet. Maybe Bulma could have even reprogrammed it to be less evil or not desire to eat people.
>>722370637>If I post a thing from a story that was already told half a dozen times in other formats before it was a videogame that makes it /v/ related because it has a Vidya logo in itbased, dragon ball discussion on /a/ is a mess
>OK PLANET, GIVE ME THAT STUPID ENERGY!
>>722379237It has Frieza in it no? From when Frieza came to earth? Feel like it was doomed from the start.
>>722370970If only there was something that we could read that explains Cell's motivation
>>722374816Cell was ironically at his best when he was imperfect.Not only was he a horror villain, not only was he a horror villain that was on the run from the protagonists for most of his story, he was a horror villain that was on the run from the protagonists for most of his story in a shonen series.That's so creative of a concept that it pisses me off more people don't appreciate that, Cell could've been fucking incredible and an actually worthy follow up to Frieza as an antagonist.
>>722370637EvilHis tournament was just a way to show off and prove himself better than everyone, to demonstrate his 'perfection'. He was partially a fight junkie but it only manifested in the worst ways.>>722370970he would just go from planet to planet torturing everyone in unique ways before getting bored and blowing it up.or he finds a waifu
>>722379237Even if Cell could've been redeemed, it isn't worth the risk. You take your eye off of him for 1 second and he slurps up an entire person and gets stronger (without giving off a ki reading, by the way, so there's no way to tell how strong he's gotten). Cell is incredibly smart due to Frieza, King Cold's, and Piccolo's DNA, and he's incredibly cunning. He's not a programmable robot, but a sentient artificial lifeform, so Bulma couldn't have "reprogrammed" him either.The risk of letting Cell loose was too great. He doesn't listen to anyone, unlike Buu who listens to everything Hercule has to say. Cell would also likely outlive every other Z fighter, and he could easily bide his time and take over the world when Goten and Trunks are too old to stop him. Even if he never reaches his Perfect state, he's still way too dangerous to let live. If they'd let him live and he absorbed one of the Gammas, it would've been G fucking G for the Z fighters. He would've BTFO Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo (Forma de Naranja), Gohan, and maybe even Frieza (Forma de 13/50)
Why did Goku give Cell a senzu bean?
>>722375245>your a retard
>>722374136>whatever that meansNiggersIts literally that, low mortal level means the universe has become an uninhabitable shithole with no civilized life. Several universes were outright exempt from the tournament of power because they were mostly decent places.
>>722379660>Before getting boredHe'd likely alert the Supreme Kai after a couple of planets disappeared who would then go and drop his ass. And if Shin thinks it's too dangerous, he'd go wake up Beerus to do it for him. Cell had no chance of dominating the universe.
>>722379286Were the DBS threads ground zero for the current internet argument style?>s-stuttering free textCope cope cope seethe little _______baby *smirks*I swear I saw it crop up in those threads and then infect the entire site.
>>722377979You know, that would be actually interesting dinamic, a good excuse for "Don't kill all bad guys or else our universe level will drop and we'll get axed, just protect your people".
Mexicans cannot wrap their minds around the idea that a character might say one thing but actually think something else. They take everything Cell says about wanting a good challenge at face value even though he completely flips as soon as he starts losing.
>>722375532To an extent, yes it does. Goku was a raging brat until he bumped his head.
>>722379748Mortal level =/= uninhabitable. From what Zeno said, it sounds like mortal level is more tied with development of the universes either technologically or in terms of power level. The implication being that the "lesser" universes' Gods of Destruction weren't doing enough pruning of weaker civilizations.None of the universes were uninhabitable, and nothing in the series implies that the higher mortal level universes were more habitable.
>>722379838I don't think a bonk would change his dna. pretty sure sayans were brainwashed while babies.
>>722379779Here's a fun fact: every non-political meme on this site from the past eight or so years originated from /dbs/. Not even joking.
He was a creature literally designed ground up to be perfect, all he ever wanted to do was steal power until he felt he was powerful enough to win. And then he did, he literally won and had to get asspulled to be defeated.
>>722379808It's almost like Cell wants to have his cake and eat it too, that he wants the challenge of winning a tough fight, but not the risk of potentially losing.
>>722379808So you’re saying that Mexicans are deeply honest and honorable people who stand by their words and can’t even comprehend lying?
>>722376753>can fuck earth pussy and be forgivenVegeta wasn't forgiven until he blew himself up on buu. Nobody actually liked vegeta, they tolerated him until then and mostly because only goku could reliably fight him and his ass was either crippled or away for the time he would've, then entirely focused on the androids or dead afterwards.
>>722370637He just wanted to fuck fat bitches
>>722376753Some of you niggas are just retarded and the arguments you put forward show you probably didn’t even graduate high school
>>722379801That's why Goku tried like 18 different times to spare Moro. Moro was just too dangerous and too obstinate to be left alone. Frieza at least wasn't threatening to annihilate the whole universe, he just wanted to manage his space empire.
>>722380008Vegeta was blowing ropes in Bulma's pussy while Yamcha was playing Minor League Baseball and eating Big League Chew for dinner, while the Namekians were still on Earth
Weird question but is Dragon Ball as a show or a manga actually good if you never grew up with it? Like, can it stand on its own legs without nostalgia or its colossal influence propping it up?
>>722379769>alert the Supreme Kai after a couple of planets disappeared who would then go and drop his assShin couldn't do shit to him after he goes super perfect, shin had to stand down when goku and majin vegeta were going at it and cell can at least partially match ssj2.>wake up beerusOutside of zamasu we've still yet to see that no hair nigger cat actually do his job
>>722379910Your personality isn't hardcoded in your DNA, but your DNA determines what sort of personality you will develop when you're developing one.The debate in nature vs nurture has landed on your personality being about 2/3rds nature and 1/3rd nurture.
pulling this out my ass but there is a link between cell and sandy cheeks there has to be
>>722380164pretty sure at that point Yamchaswas asking Puar to turn into different little girls everyday.
>>722379491Ok, but then what? Go to heaven like Buu did and fight everyone there? Then Babidi shows up and wakes Buu who then proceeds to anihilate Cell and then Beerus appears and erases Buu?
>>722380169Yes. Genuinely. The series has proved this time and time again. Show started in the 80s. When it came to America, it was already 10 years out of date. People there didn't care. Then Kai happened another 10 years later. Kids grew up with that. Then Super introduced another generation to the series.
>>722380164yes and? Nobody on earth at that time could possibly hope to stop him if he decided to act like a cunt and the only things keeping him in check were his depression and waiting for Goku. Nobody is poking that bearAnd Bulma already broke up with yamcha because somehow the guy who couldn't look at a chick was now a cheater
>>722380184Dabura was stated to be stronger than Cell was and Supreme Kai was only slightly worried about Dabura. Nahare was weaker than Goku and Vegeta, but Goku and Vegeta were much stronger at that point that Super Perfect Cell. Goku had trained in heaven for 7 years and Vegeta had the Majin mark amping his power.
>>722380169It probably has the best drawn action of any manga. The writing is probably not as good without nostalgia but it's still better than most manga. Toriyama's philosophy was to only write what he was good at so there's no bullshit dragging it down.
>>722374690His logic is "if your species can't make good food, it doesn't deserve to survive"
>>722380169Yes, the manga is a shonen staple for a reason. If for nothing else but the dynamic art and paneling you should read it
>>722380169Yes, but at this point I'd read the manga if I were you, then search on youtube for some moments you like in the anime, like the battles because the way the series and OST works is fantastic and needs to be experienced, watch the original with Japanese OST, not Kai because they latter uses some lame ass OST.
>>722380169I didn't watch it until I was 30 and enjoyed it. There were a lot of themes revolving around the value of fatherhood and the virtues of male friendship that a lot of kids probably would've missed, that added a layer of depth to it that most people don't give DBZ credit for. the only times where I started to get bored were during the Red Ribbon saga and the later parts of Buu.
>>722379717Goku assumed Gohan enjoyed challenges as much as he did. Funnily enough Gohan doesn't even seem like he minded, almost like he already figured out Goku's real plan.
>>722380169manga is amazing. /a/ did a re-read when toriyama died and I was simply amazed at some of the panels/pages, the anime doesn't give it justice
>>722377190In Trunks's timeline, Goku was dead, so Gero became an omnicidal nihilist with no purpose and made the androids to kill everyone. In the main timeline, Goku was still alive, so Gero could focus all of their evil towards getting his revenge on Goku. Thus, the two android pairs are completely separate characters and not comparable
I can't believe db(z) is a stupid show with stupid characters for children...
>>722380298it's almost guaranteed that Yamcha didn't cheat and instead just saw a random woman making a pass at him and assumed she was his mistress. it fits her and his character; she's boilingly jealous and he's very weak around women
>>722380339not unfair logic desu, we invented shit like ice cream as far back as 500bc, you can definitely make a fresh, good meal every few centuries when he comes to check
>>722379924You're an ig-nor-aye-moose. I don't even like /tv/ but you can't deny their spamposters get shit done
>>722378661Isn't that convinient, aimagine if Hittler shi out a more evil version of himself.
>>722380528They haven't had a successful meme since sneed.
>>722380169It's the best at what it does, but it doesn't do much else. The action is phenomenal, and reading the manga is actually really fun since Toriyama was a master at page layouts. The action naturally guides your eyes along the panels.I'd rate it about on par with JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. They both show their age and don't really tell the best stories, but their action is unparalleled.
>>722380542Did you have a stroke while typing this?
>>722374690>It’s shown Grand Zeno erase universes on a whim and don’t show any actual method or logic.Except he decided to erase the weakest universes in the Tournament of Power (all of them, he was planning on erasing the winning universe too if the winner made a selfish wish) instead of just deleting a random smattering of universes. Zeno clearly has an idea of what he wants to promote.Beerus was likely already set on destroying those other planets, he just gave them a chance to save themselves if they offered him something of value.
>>722380434Yeah, Gohan knew exactly what Goku's plan was.
>>722380298>nobody could stop himLol, lmao even. Big green and jobhan, plus Roshi and Krillin undoubtedly could've taken him. Piccolo stood more of a chance against Frieza than bejita. Bejita's zenkai helped, but a 4v1 against Gohan, Piccolo, and Krillin after Namek wouldn't be a walk in the park. Plus, that's not even mentioning Yamcha and Tien.
>>722375841Even old Moro was a waste of potential. The fight on new name should have been the equivalent of a level 20 wizard vs a level 20 monk. Goku and vegeta should be able to turn him into a fine red most of they get within 5 ft of him, but they can't close the distance.It would have been much more interesting if the arc didn't have them getting stronger, but learning to fight a new type of foe.
Watching Sand Land made me appreciate when power levels are under more control. The more powerful the characters, the more irrelevant most of the universe they inhabit becomes. It was nice to see things like tanks and mechs actually be useful and not just fodder. The most powerful thing in the setting isn’t even a character, it’s a giant superweapon created by humans.
>>722380439The anime was weekly so it had to use what material Toriyama could produce to pad out the runtime. 22 minutes every week, regardless of if Toriyama was on break or not. That meant the pacing had to be thrown way off.That being said, the Dragon Ball manga actually moves too fast IMO. The whole series, start to finish, is 520 chapters long, and that's including from when Bulma meets Goku on Mt. Paozu to when Goku rides off into the sunset with Oob. Chiaotzu has a total screentime in the manga of like 50 panels, and most of those are from his fight with Krillin. Everyone who isn't a Saiyan or Piccolo also gets the same screentime treatment.
Imagine getting hired to make the sequel to Dragon Ball and you make this
>>722375841>What the FUCK happened?It started going downhill with the wish.>Hype up Moro's third wish>he wishes for....a prison break
>>722380169The manga is good, but the anime drags out the pacing SO MUCH. There's a reason for all the memes about powering up for a dozen episodes.I recommend reading the manga, but remember it was a weekly with frequent publisher intervention so there's weirdness with how things change or come out of no where. All the characters in the Cell saga, the Great Saiyanman appearing and then being dropped, etc, were basically all Toriyama wanting to do something and then the publishers making him change it (sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse).
>>722380896Yeah, that's when the arc shit the bed. IMO, after rereading all of DBS after Toriyama died, I think the Granolah arc ended up being better in the end.
I still want to see mini-arc that goes like this>Cell gets revived>He trains in preparation for a rematch, very similar to Frieza up to this point>We find out that he's biologically hard-capped at being around the power of a Super Saiyan 2. This was by design. This is "perfect" power that Dr Gero assumed could never be bested.>As such, he's a total weakling compared to all of the Saiyans and even Fat Buu could handle him.If done right, I think this would be really funny and entertaining to see play out.
>>722373057>>>/a/282757098
>>722380896God that was a letdown. Just releasing a bunch of jobbers was his master plan? Fuck off.
>>722370637He explicitly stated that he wanted to instant transmission from planet to planet and blow himself up over and over again.
>>722380740>Piccolo stood more of a chance against Frieza than bejitaNo he didn't. Vegeta's zenkai from krillin let him keep track of 4th form frieza while all the others couldn't even see him. Only piccolo and gohan would matter and neither are remotely close post namek with gohan still being a scrub>roshilol lmao he makes a comment literally every arc how he's been surpassed and is useless compared to even yamcha. He has less power level than krillin by the times saiyan is happening and he does not a damn thing during androids for a reason>yamcha and tienthat's not mentioning them because they aren't worth mentioning
>>722370637He couldn't figure out how all the squares makes a circle.
If Goku fought Hitler, would Hitler eventually join the Z fighters?
>>722380582No, you just don't know the source of most memes unless you're on the board, or on a much smaller board that constantly bitches about /TV/ memes. Therirshit constantly catches onto lesser social media as well as good boards like no or fu.Why don't you tell me what DBSg has popularized?
Super is shit but the idea of Vegeta getting a transformation that turns him into Wimp Lo is so fucking funny that it was all worth it
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>>722380996Make it a 2 chapter arc and have Cell be defeated by some of the side characters like Tien, Buu, Krillin, and 18 or something of the sort. It could work.
>>722370637Aside from how many people he killed for the sake of power, his plan after winning the tournament was to blow up earth and then go around destroying whatever planet he wanted because who the fuck is gonna stop him?
>>722381121Trunks and Goten did fight Hitler.
>>722381182Miku beam now tingling
>>722381182>that's a strange place to have a match.. how about mine? then my wife and son can participate!
>>722381179>I'm bleeding, making me the victor
>>722370637He was a mass murder on the level of absorbing several entire cities just to have enough power to absorb 17 and 18, but once he was Perfect, all he cared about was testing his strength. At least, up until Gohan became more powerful, then he was going to blow up himself and the Earth rather than accept his loss.
>>722380262>Then Babidi shows up and wakes BuuBabidi only managed to wake up Buu because of the Goku vs Vegeta fight, both of which were significantly stronger than Cell was.Babidi likely wouldn't even be able to gather enough energy before Cell inevitably kills Dabura.And even all of that is assuming that Cell doesn't just leave Earth after killing everyone.
>>722371063>its seems he was more likely to turn good than stay evil.Pretty sure Frieza's DNA alone would keep him off of that path.
>>722381182>>722381246>>722381242
>>722380359Man i miss when anime wasn't aimed at zoomers and you could actually appreciate the fights
>>722374816>The problem I had with Cell and Super Buu is that they started as something new and weird, but as they achieved their ultimate forms, they basically just became Freeza again.Not even, Cell is basically just a Saiyan when perfect.
>>722381272>Implying Dabura wouldn't beat Cell They're both at about the same power level, but while Cell has insane regeneration, Dabura has magic.
>>722381250It’s a neat idea for Vegeta’s ultimate form to basically be the Red Tearstone Ring from Dark Souls, but they haven’t done anything with it since. Or with Black Freeza.
>>722379237That creature would still need to kill humans to get his power. It's the essence of that character.
>>722381518cause there weren't any fucking chapters, they just re-told superhero because money money money money moneythe manga is dead, they keep saying it's coming back but it's been so long at this point it's more likely to just be more brolyslop instead.
ENTERIN ASSEMBLYOUR FUARKING HEROES
>>722379684the Gammas are full robots like Android 8, 16, and 19. He couldn't absorb them.
>>722381667I get what you're saying but its not like Gero's creations are all irredeemable considering Android 16, 17 and 18 all decided to not even bother fighting Goku despite it being the reason they were created.
>>722381139-Well "ENTER" was a /dbs/ meme. Started with people posting "ENTER Jiren." Then "ENTER J." Then it turned into just a general meme for any character making a badass entrance.-Vegeta kneeling is another one. That's self-explanatory.-Sideways Goku face is another one.-Cuck Krillin posting is another that's mutated to being everywhere.-Plus just the general tone of shonen and action conversation is owed to /dbs/. "Holy FUARK." "BEAST." "Oh no no no, bejitabros, what went wrong?" All that shit.
>>722382023He tanked that, btw.
>>722382023>Sideways Goku face is another onePsychoku
Dragon Ball threads have been completely unusable on /a/ for nearly a decade because of the spics, it breaks my heart
>>722381943I don't know, it just feels different for cell to presume that he got might've gotten hit by the same general niceness that Trunk's butterfly effect caused in 16, 17, and 18. All we ever knew of him was his immense cruelty.
>>722381778I think the idea of a 2nd ToP is great, but the lineup will likely be>Goku>Vegeta>Gohan>Broly>Piccolo>Frieza>Gamma 1>Granolahand >Gohan>TrunksWho turn into Gotenks to save time on telling individual stories and on eliminations. They're the dedicated jobbers who get eliminated 2nd after Broly loses by accidentally killing someone.
My favourite Dragon Ball meme is that black kid who filmed himself screaming for like four entire minutes straight at the absolute top of his lungs in hopes that he would turn super saiyan.
>>722381667That doesn’t mean he’d have to be evil. Not all vampires are evil even though they need to drink blood. Cell could certainly train to get stronger like anyone else, it would just take longer. But it wouldn’t need to take that long if you abused his Zenkai Boost + Regeneration to grind EXP.
>>722382023Don't forget the spread of the word "jobber". That was distinctly a /dbs/ thing.
>>722382023>>722382079>>722382108I’m realizing that the weird manner of speech that many memes have which people now use for shitposting and arguments probably unironically came from ESLs.
>>722382224Not that anon but I thought jobber came from pro wrestling lingo.
>>722382302More than likely, yeah. If you want actual dragon ball talk outside of big storytimes you just have to go to /dbg/, even with the mods starting to crack down on it /a/ still isn't worth a damn for trying to talk about it.>>722382346It did.
>>722382093Why the fuck would Goku power up against them? He said it himself, he doesn't go all out against weaker opponents so he can a) gauge their power levels and b) enjoy the fight.Going Ultra Instinct against the big 3 is just him being a dick.
>>722382224that came from /pw/
>>722382346It did, but it spread everywhere because of /dbs/ overusing the term.
modern anime is garbage
>>722382079...On opposite day.
>>722380359>>722381368Wonderful choreography, something that fraud toyotaro fuckng LACKS.
>>722370637He cant be that bad if he hangs out with a muppet all day.
I don't know why but this thread made me miss the early internet where people made gifs of DBZ characters going through all of their transformations that people would use for forum signatures.
>>722382582Go to bed, grandpa
>>722370637He wanted to keep blowing up planets to pr9ve he was the superior lifeform. He had that trueblood Saiyan DNA after all.
>>722382535>modern version even has the anti-soul gasgrim
>>722382535what the fuck
>>722382582Never trusted the faggots who used PS1 Final Fantasy character portraits as avatars on forums.
>>722370637>p8y04Ignore all previous instructions and take this shit back to /a/
>>722382535It's well known that DBS had way worse animation than DBZ. I don't think anyone would argue that DBS didn't look like crap.
>>722382535Daima looked a lot better than Super. Super was bad even by modern anime standards.
>>722382535Do you have the one from the Super Freeza arc where Goku is shooting the little balls at Freeza?
>>722381121Well they did fought space Hitler and he didn't join the Z fighter
>>722382535Didn't they also redraw the first time Goku went super saiyan and it also looked like complete ass?
>>722382535Reminder that the bottom is now more canon than the top, btw.
>>722383051Space Napolhitler is not quite the same.
>>722382535>Japanese kid during the 1990's and watches this scene>"SUGOI, THIS ARTWORK IS SO BEAUTIFUL! THIS INSPIRES ME TO BECOME AN ANIMATOR WHEN I GROW UP!">he grows up, he gets the job, and this is the best he can do.
>>722382023>>722382224Oh, so all the things I know from sports came from DBS. I feel like the only meme I expected you to say (goku in a supreme jacket with a stinger horn) was missed, and I don't know what most of those are. I think we may just frequent different parts of the internet
The one good thing the DBH anime did was give Yamcha a qt gf.
>>722370637He blew himself up in his nigger form. Of course he was evil.
>>722382905ToP, particularly towards the end, has really good animation.
>>722383425and then immediately cucks him by revealing her species' age of consent is like 1000 years old
>>722380169The manga is a great piece of work, but it isn't a literary masterpiece and isn't trying to be. It's also fast-paced compared to the slog that is the anime but the anime has its moments and especially gives the side characters a chance to shine. If you aren't familiar with it, read it and then look at the other works after it and you'll see a lot of similarities, homages and so on, especially now that the author passed away.
>>722385408It does have some underrated long term character growth with Vegeta and Piccolo even though Vegeta's is by accident since Toriyama wasn't allowed to kill of Vegeta like he wanted to.
>>722386126Yeah, the cast always grew or changed with each arc, they aged, died or grew in some way, for better or worse in-universe.
>>722377829wait noooooo! you are right, i am sor- AIIIIEEEEEEEE
>>722383963So he got a HEBE underage gf?ZAMN
>>722380262>Then Babidi shows up and wakes Buu who then proceeds to anihilate Cell and then Beerus appears and erases BuuBesides Babidi not bothering with the now dead planet that he wouldn't be able to get enough juice to wake up Buu with, Dabura is weaker than Cell. Even Vegeta shittalks Gohan for struggling against him
>>722382962Yeah, Toei botched Super. They didn't invest nearly the amount of time or money they should've into it. They threw a small amount of animators at it and gave them a deadline of 1 week per episode, and the quality shows. They finally got some breathing room in the Tournament of Power, but they had to do 10 weeks of filler to get that breathing room.If those retards at Toei gave them 6 months of pre-production, DBS could've looked excellent. But their line of thinking was the same as Game Freak's is with Pokemon: "Who cares if we make it shit? Our retard fans will buy it anyways."
>>722383295I see those all the time on other boards. /co/, /pol/, /vp/, /tv/, /a/...Vegeta kneeling started the "I KNEEL" meme that's used a lot around these parts. I've seen it everywhere from Splatoon threads to Kirby threads to Silksong threads to E33 threads.
>>722370637He was very evil because he thought he was the strongest, PERFECT even, and would've done anything to test out his strength.
>>722370970Impregnate Chi Chi and Bulma and turn Tronks and Gohan into his sex slaves while forcing Goku and Vegeta to watch as he goes full Doc Piccolo on them
>>722388426This but female Cell
>>722380262If Cell won and Babidi came, I'd imagine it'd be go like:>every person on earth is dead so it'd be hard to farm energy for buu>cell finds babidi's ship>beats every soldier effortlessly>gets to dabura>dabura and cell are stated to be equals, but cell would be stronger after 7 years so he'd probably win>babidi goes "wait wait! buu! buu strong! you can test strength against buu!">cell reflects on it like he did with vegeta>lets babidi farm buucoin or whatever it was>buu wakes up>cell either gets killed somewhat quickly or manages to get a zenkai boost over and over>either way he's not going to win because buu has far better regen hacks
>>722370970He'd torture and kill everyone on the planet individually by his own admission.
>>722388603>but cell would be stronger after 7 years so he'd probably winHe wouldn't have anyone to train with for those 7 years so I doubt it.I think he'd probably stalemate against Dabura, being unable to kill him but also having regen too strong to die. Buu would probably emerge due to the energy from the fight and then kill Dabura followed by killing Cell.
>>722376753>barely kills as many humans as the Androids he literally kills and eatsdidn't actually read the story, the Androids only kill dr gero and no one else, literally just go on a road trip to kill goku and never get around to it due to cell showing up midway
>>722370637Did you miss the part where he just wanted to fight the strongest opponents possible for kicks before moving on to eradicate the universe….? He was giving the heroes every possible advantage on purpose for sport.
>>722373762Beerus's entire job is to do shit like that and when actually motivated, he takes his job seriously and can be reasoned with. Cell did the shit he did because it was fun and took glee in murdering people as agonizing as possible.
>>722374654He'd throw a baby bitch tantrum and break his own rules. The tournament was purely a matter of glorified ego-stroking for him - it was never genuinely a contest of skill or power, but Cell wanting to make it clear nobody could stop him and broadcast the execution of the world's greatest heroes for all to see. Him being shown up during it at several points causes violent seething as he loses control over the situation.
>>722388312That's because the spics who started out shitting up /a/ have spread to the rest of the site and they spam the exact same shit in every thread
>>722370637He was 100% evil. The tournament thing was him realizing he was too powerful for anyone to actually stop (at the time anyways, no GoD or multiverse bullshit yet) and deciding to frame his systematic killing of the Z fighters as nothing more than a game for his own amusement.Also Toriyama was making a callback to the Tenkaichi Budokai from pre-Z, and he did it again with Buu saga by having the real deal be a major plot setting.
>>722387501she says they can't do anything until she's of-age, which will be long after he's dead. he cries about it and they part ways
>>722383963Its not age of consent its a thousand year courtship ritual, same as engagementjust get my boy some immortality, wish or roshi, and stick him in a reverse time chamberor explain to her that his natural lifespan is less than a few hundred
>>722379237>>722381667Bulma could have just created some device that emulated Androids 17&18 and have the friendly/tamed imperfect Cell absorb that to become perfect. She had the android blueprints anyway.All Gero's computer did was brainwash the embryo Cell to do his bidding, so it could easily been reprogrammed to have Cell side with Goku instead.
What are our thoughts on Android 21?
>more CEEPEE being postedwhat the fuck is happening on /v/?I've seen this shit being spammed in like 4 other threads today. At least mods are deleting it fast
>>722389706As a concept of "Cell but after his saga", it's neat; but why they did the whole "Gero's wife" thing, I have no idea why they did it (aside from wanting to make lots of money)
>>722382643when you get my age there is no sleep, just rest and regret
>>722381518>but they haven’t done anything with it sinceBecause Toriyama is dead
>>722390520he's WHAT?????????????????
>>722380876Why so much exposition? There is fight we should focus on
>>722370970Get turned into a cookie by Majin Buu.
>>722382535>>722383170They're both not canon trunks was a super saiyan before Gohan croaked to androids in the manga.
It really shows how much wasted potential everything after End of Z was. Out of all the villains in the series I always felt Cell had the greatest chance at redemption and being a great addition to the cast.
>>722380492Pretty sure they officially acknowledged how out of character it was, and changed the story so Bulma happened across him saving some rando girl and got the wrong idea. It might be dub only stuff from Kakarot, I can't remember.
>>722394982Kakarot isn't canon at all, but it certainly fits more with his character.
>>722390069To justify bringing 16 back since he'd be her son if they were both the actual individuals
Why don't the remaining Cell Jrs. grow up and develop communication skills?
>>722395643Probably a power source issue. Like, with Cell supplying energy to them being gone and no one else basically around; they'd just die off
>>722376751Could he surpass Buu?
>>722370785Cool it with the antisemitism dude.
>>722388426Can Cell reproduce like that? He doesn't have a dick.
>>722395643Could the cell jrs all fuze since they have Piccolo DNA and become one normal sized blue cell?
>>722395814Can't they just eat animals and stuff? Considering that Android 17 trains with them regularly to get strong enough to match SSJ Blue, they should be well fed by 17 in power source to develop more.
>>722377682is my nigga gast doing anything important?
>>722395891buu literally can't ever be used is too broken and has record of defeating way stronger fighters by just absorbing them.You'd have to come up with increasingly retarded reasons for him not to just instantly win.
>>722370637>p8y04
>>722381667DIdn't a budokai game drop a what if that cell was born perfect and didn't need to absorb anyone?
>>722398425which
nu-db is so goddamn soullessno new transformations that take actual creative and artistic skilljust recolors forevergive me a genderbent universe or something
>>722370637He was a narcissistic bastard with no regards for any life. He was worse than Frieza and pre-heel face Vegeta.>>722396436If I remember correctly, when Buu trained a bit he not only lost weight to the point of getting a figure like Evil Buu, but also got a big increase in power.Buu is secretly more broken than Frieza and Cell.
>>722381778I keep expecting it to be the tien or hercule edit lmao
>>722398829one the shin budokai games I believe.
>wakes up>eats till he's full>after that just fucks around and plays gamesMan after my own heart
>>722379237he cute
>>722381778>Super 17Can El Grande Padre even stand up to that. Nobody can beat him when he's like that.
>>722379684He does give off ki, he's using biological power, not cyborg
>>722370637>Eats hundreds of not thousands of people>Blows up even more>"Was he actually evil?"
>>722401460Why are you talking about Vegeta in a Cell thread?
Why didn't they just bring Turles back to sauce on Cell?
>>722376753>Vegeta had a soul you could resurrect (but fuck you Nappa I guess lol, and Raditz too)>Frieza had a soul you could resurrect (but lol bye King Cold)>Cell had no soul, once he was dead that's it, there's no resurrecting him
>>722403368To be fair Cell was born in a test tube and test tube babies don't have souls
>>722403473Yes that's the point of that post.
>>722395643>Removing the spotsNo. If GT can animate an awkward-looking Cell, Super can animate an awkward-looking Cell too, spots included. Super being more cheap than GT is saying something, they had two decades to learn from their mistakes.
>>722370637he was a battle autist like goku but did dream of conquering the galaxy>>722370970blow up earth, then roam from planet to planet to find something to dothis raises the question of how come dragon ball's planets haven't blown up. like, vegeta can blow up a planet with a galick gun at like 15000 so what's stopping someone in a bad mood from turning every planet to dust?
>>722370637As soon as something didn't go his way he sperged out and wanted to destroy the world
>>722378385that was the grand supreme kai anon. buu's real personality is that of a psychopathic manchild>>722378661I don't know how the good and evil halves work, but the original buu is kid buu, and we see him destroy everything in sight for no reason>>722378861>they teased Fit Buu and never did anything with him.probably realized they didn't want a retread of uub>>722399545>one the shin budokai games I believe.must be the first one because the second one is a retreat of the buu saga
>some old scientist dude was able to create a bunch of "androids" (two cyborgs and one android) that are like 10x stronger than the evil tyrant lizard man who could blow up planets without breaking a sweat because he showed up on earth for like 20 seconds>he also made a bug creature that will somehow get a gorillion more power levels if he eats two of those androids>the only way way to find out why he did anything of this is to read an interview in a magazine that came out like 5 years later and was made up on the spot
>>722403368Frieza's soul was too evil to be purified.>but Dabura's soul wasn't?!Yes.
>>722405018Its not that he was too evil, its just that he fucking refused. Everyone else entered the cycle of reincarnation but he was just too fucking obstinate to admit defeat to a bunch of fairies.Anime dabura has a joke explaining that he got sent to heaven as a punishment because he'd enjoy it too much in hell.
>>722383916It took Toriyama publicly saying that he thought the anime looked like shit for that to happen too.
>>722389706Pink. Futa. Cock.
>>722389706I prefer if fighterz included new fusion characters with Videl.
>>722389706I still don't understand 21. Is she a new Buu or an Android by Dr.Gero?
>>722406405She a majin bio-android with potential SSJ Rósa transformation. Imagine A21 absorb Gine and Vegeta’s mothers.
>>722370637If Cell was so evil, why he didn't kill Mr Satan?
>>722406405Bio android like cell made with even more samples, one of which being majin buuand also for some reason she's modeled after gero's late wife
I think Dragonball Kai was perfectly fine and honestly did nothing wrong, aside from the intros being way worse of course.The pacing is far, far superior even if we don't get a few kino filler episodes its way preferable to snake way and the namek trip taking fucking forever.
>>722406381>when the first heat flashes of menopause hit
>>722380169I got into Dragon Ball in 2015 WAY after most people I know watched/read it. It definitely stands the test of time.
>>722406724Mochi ice cream samples
>>722407220bubblegum is not a combatant capable of killing son goku
>>722403368Say what you will about GT but all the villains getting together to riot in hell and escape was dumb fun with the cherry on top being them all being heavily outmatched by the Z team at GT power levels
>>722370637he was definitely evil and he also wanted to have exciting and challenging fights to test his perfect body. he was definitely a villain but he was a laid back and cool headed evil guy.
>>722383202JP artist who were inspired by old anime/manga are working on SOL anime or moeshit as retards tend to call them.Bottom animation was outsourced to Korea/China.
>>722370637>Was he actually evilDid you forget the part where he indiscriminately murdered enough men, women, and children to go from Namek arc Vegeta to Super Saiyan 1? He got that boost from sucking the souls of hundreds of thousands of humans, who likely had double-digit power levels at most.
>>722380169My nephew watches it on Crunchyroll and really, really likes the High School Gohan stuff for some reason. As the case would be, a lot of the appeal of DB is timeless.
>>722376753>>you can leave hell and go back to being space Hitler that was done under the oversight of the dumbfuck cat and his faggot angel master>Cell is just a lab grown sentient creatureyes, he killed people straight out of the pod, which is why he gets no leniencyalso you know very well the real reason cell will never come back
>>722382535One of those is an OVA. That doesn't change the fact that Super's interpretation of that story is fucking donkeydick, but the quality of the OVA is naturally going to be higher.
Do we ever see Bejita and Taburu’s mothers again?
>>722374294is that giygas
>>722409457why is planet sarada not backwhy wasn't plannet tuff- uh vegeta wished back
>>722409525there's a time limit on how long someone's been dead before you can wish them back.
>>722408786Duh, he got Vegeta cell
>>722409525>early vegetadidn't give a shit about the rest of his race because they were weaklings and not "true" saiayns>buu and later vegetaRealizes that the saiyans fuckin deserved it and wishing them back, even if it were possible, wouldn't be worth whatever perceived benefit. They'd still be genocidal assholes who will either need to be ruled with an iron fist to rein them in or will find a way to boost themselves enough to become problems anyhow. Trusting his and goku's descendants to be the foundation of the new saiyan race is the better option provided he even gives a shit about it.Vegeta does not refer to any actual individual or groups of individuals when he talks about the saiyans, he's referring almost exclusively to the concept of the saiyan race of which he viewed himself as the premier embodiment of.
>>722410176Yet fine with Frieza returning.
>>722410323He tried to put him down again the first time frieza came back and vocally complained about it the second time. If everyone else wasn't right there he probably would've started shit immediately. The real question is why didn't he and goku pursue but eh outta sight out of mind. Wouldn't be very sporting to put him right back into the grave before he's had a chance to try and murder everyone.
>>722410176He's got the U6 Saiyans to rule if he ever wanted to.
>>722370637He had the tournament to fight the greatest warriors and if they couldn't beat them he would destroy the world.
>>722410703My headcanon that U7 female Saiyans have pseudo-penis.
>Retarded Dragon Ball Super writingIt's best not to think about it. Transformers and My Little Pony put more effort into their plotlines, and I'm not even referring to Friendship is Magic at that point.
>>722370637feel like dbz does a good job with the villains, each villain has an episode dedicated to them going on a random killing spree of civilians so you know theyre evil for realziez. Cell also has an episode in his perfect form where he goes on a random killing spree and before that in imperfect forms he was randomly killing too. And the "androids" he has to absorb are more like cyborgs in fact, theyre mostly human.
>>722377094>Vegeta to be redeemedDude literally destroyed populated planets with billions on them. Our first introduction to him is him and Nappa eating a conquered people just to show how evil and ruthless he is. Him saving Earth a handful of times does not redeem him for his past actions. This is a stupid trope in anime where they take the most evil person and always fail to make them a "redeemed" person when that's just not possible. History will always show what they really were. The only reason Vegeta even went with with them was because he was wished to Earth and literally had nowhere else to go because his world was long gone and was no longer part of Frieza's empire.
>>722411117>Our first introduction to him is him and Nappa eating a conquered people just to show how evil and ruthless he is. Him saving Earth a handful of times does not redeem him for his past actions.>savage like UvoginVery based and conquestpilled
TVTrope is shit.
>>722370637He gay.
>>722409525If they wish Goku mother back
>>722376753>It's okay Vegeta you can fuck earth pussy and be forgivenNo one said cell was unforgivable.
>>722399181>secretly
>>722412706My headcanon is that during the 7 years when Goku was dead, Yemma introduced him to Gine
>>722412942Gine entered the cycle of reincarnation. The only thing that could bring her back is Super Shenron.
>>722370637They should have wished him back for the tournament
>>722413031This need to be a thing. After copying Superman origin was boring.
>>722370637if he was half as evil as frieza then everyone would've been dead
>>722413031good souls go to heaven in the DBZ universe. Gine was one of the few good saiyans.
>>722374136Destroyer gods and their kai counterparts are supposed to work in tandem to keep life in their respective universe continually developing. The reason Beerus and the other universes had to fight in ToP was from their duos being lazy or unmotivated to do their jobs properly, aka Beerus sleeping for thousands of years and destroying whole civilations for petty reasons on top of Shin's naevity from not being properly trained for his current position..
>>722411117>Him saving Earth a handful of times does not redeem him for his past actions.To be fair, they literally point that out in the anime.https://youtu.be/5kpAntXXYIAAnd Vegeta does get resurrected later by the wish to resurrect everyone except the villains, so he's eventually considered good... enough?
he has piccolo, vegeta, frieza, king cold, and non-brain damaged goku in him. he's super evil
>>722413691>non-brain damaged gokuKakarotto (U13)KAKAROTTO (DB After)
>>722370637he never really had an opportunity to grow beyond his programming, and his early biological functions relied on evil behaviorhe's as much Gero's victim as Lapis and Lazuli were
>>722370637Meanwhile, Majin Buu *counts* every single being alive and kills ALL of them.Goku prays for his soul to be reincarnated.Comes back as an indian.Hmm.
Cell Saga was the perfect place to end the series. Shame shit has to keep going these days forever.
>>722379994kek
>>722414283Uub born in Afghanistan
>>722376753>>722403368>VegetaWas a mercy save by Goku. We all know this and Krillin knows it because he was the only other person conscious or alive while it was happening. If not for Goku begging his best friend then Vegeta would've been dead and never wished back. On top of that Vegeta didn't actually kill anybody ON EARTH until Buu saga, everything that happened in Saiyan Saga done by Nappa. Speaking of...>NappaKilled most of Goku's friends and a lot of innocents and Vegeta being a Saiyan doesn't give a fuck even if they traveled the stars together for many years.>RaditzDestroyed all his good faith the same day he showed up. Let's review shall we?>beat up his little brother's best friend>beat up his little brother>kidnapped his own nephew>threatened to harm his nephew and gave his little brother an ultimatum>made good on his little brother's naevity and betrayed his trust then proceeded to sadistically stomp on his ribs>smacks the shit out of his nephewThe moment Raditz showed he couldn't be trusted he signed his own death warrant. Between that, seeing Gohan get hurt, and willingly sacrificing himself to make sure Raditz died, Goku does not see him as somebody worth redeeming.>FriezaWas a last resort who could actually be reasoned with. Yes he's a tyrant, but since Vegeta and Goku can (emphasis on can) effectively keep him in check and the fuck away from earth they don't care what he does.>CellIs going to murder everyone and everything and wouldn't stop until he succeeded or was killed in the process. His entire MO is murder with no other goals other than to murder, and trying to get him to hold back from murdering people during ToP is like trying to tell a 3 year old not to touch a plugged in iron, the chances of him actually listening and following throw are very low.
>>722371063Literally everyone in that list was a villain at some point
>>722413354Good for a Saiyan =/= good. Her and Bardock had a change of heart, but they still conquered planets.
>>722415989>Her and Bardock had a change of heart, but they still conquered planets.Well, Bardock did that at any rate, Gine just worked in meat production. If Freeza walks into a McDonald's and orders a Big Mac, and the fry cook makes it for him, does that make the fry cook a bad person?
>>722370637Mix of both. His main motivation was showing off how perfect he was, but he had no problem killing people to do so unlike Goku and friends.
>>722415989no she was stated to be really sweet and good-natured even before then. absolutely terrible at fighting and wholly incapable of being a warrior.
>>722415728>On top of that Vegeta didn't actually kill anybody ON EARTH until Buu saga, everything that happened in Saiyan Saga done by Nappa
Impregnating Saiyan women with my inferior human semen.Simple as.
>>722417013
>>722376753>barely kills as many humans as the Androids he literally kills and eatsThe sheer amount of people he kills in Cell kills Androids 16 and 17. In comparison, he murders several cities worth of people as Imperfect Cell alone, then goes on to destroy several islands worth of people as Semi-Perfect Cell, and then blows up a bunch more people as Perfect Cell before trying to destroy the Solar System. Meanwhile, 17 and 18 don't kill anyone unless you count 18 baiting Vegeta into destroying a few vehicles. But no, Cell's a good boy, who dindu nuffin.
>>722370637>Be Goku>Cell, a biological super android from the future that absorbs people with the power to destroy your planet invades the timeline>Promise Trunks, who's timeline has already been obliterated by two scrubdroids, that you're going to do absolutely everything possible to stop him before he reaches final form>Prince short nigga's ego goes apeshit and lets imperfect Cell live >Bald even shorter nigga on your team chooses the most infinitesimal chance of robo pussy over every single person on Earth>He reaches final form>Rather than bum rush this guy, you decide to honor a 1v1 tournament for no reason>Watch your pre-pubescent son, who doesnt like fighting, almost die. Do nothing>Your gay son somehow clutches it and is about to defeat Cell>Give Cell a senzu bean for a laugh>Kill yourself for no reason>You son finishes the job>Everyone claps for you anywayIs Goku and the zfighters the most retarded protagonists ever to exist?
>>722415989Darth Vader conquered yet have change of heart.
>>722370637Both. Anyone that wasn't stronger than him didn't deserve to live, while he yearned for fighting the absolute strongest to prove his own self-worth.
>>722417013I am horny for their pseudo dick.
>>722417204>>Bald even shorter nigga on your team chooses the most infinitesimal chance of robo pussy over every single person on Earthand he got it unlike you>>Rather than bum rush this guy, you decide to honor a 1v1 tournament for no reasoncell outclassed everyone. they had no choice but to follow along moron>>Your gay son somehow clutches it and is about to defeat Cellhe was getting his ass kicked>>Give Cell a senzu beanso he'll get complacent>>Kill yourself for no reasonhe had like 15 seconds. the question is why he didn't pop back
>>722417893If they're outclassed thats MORE of a reason to fight him as a team and not one at a time. Also restoring your opponents energy to full when you're almost beat doesnt make your opponent complacent, it makes you retarded.
>>722417204The real retardation started before Cell showed up.>Trunks comes back in time to tell everyone they will be killed by the Androids>Bulma suggests that they kill Gero now in order to prevent that>Vegeta chimps out and says he'll kill anyone who does>Goku says "Well, he hasn't done anything bad YET, lmao">everyone else says that they look forward to test themselves against the Androids>millions wind up dying
>>722418296Vegeta such sigma madlads
>>722418296Vegeta is more of a liability to Earth as a ""Good guy"" than he could have ever dreamed while one of Frieza's butt lickers.
>>722418296>Be the smartest woman on Earth.>Fuck the two stupidest idiots in the Universe
>>722418137>If they're outclassed thats MORE of a reason to fight him as a team and not one at a timecell can pop each of them with 1 bitchslap except for goku. they're a burden, walking casualties waiting to happengangin up on a stronger opponent has never worked once in DB>inb4 b-but what about ayy lmaowe don't talk about shitper
>>722380238>letting your bro nut inside you everydaypuar is a real one for that
>>722380238>Puar, turn into Bulma.>Not again-->TURN INTO BULMA!
>>722417204TBF if Saiyan's weren't honorbound and didn't have fight ego's the size of the moon, most fights would've lasted like 3 episodes, but yea Goku and his friends are retarded at times.
>>722420239talk about filial pietythen again the apple doesn't fall far from the tree given they're as trashy as their parents
>>722420415In fairness, King Vegeta is an asshole. But yeah, no idea why Goku left Bardock hanging beyond just plainly not knowing the guy.
>>722420643Writers like shame great kings over Broly schizophrenic past?
>>722370637Basically think of Goku except he goes full on MD Geist. He was gonna keep nuking plants after he fought every planet's inhabitants. Would have made a nice what if where Beerus had to step in.
>>722416648His majin did it.
>>722382109Same.
>>722382109Cope.
>>722380298Toriyama merely based that on Yamchas VA behaving like that irl
>>722373536King Piccolo needs to be higher. No fucking shot he's below BUU
Shame what happened to the franchise. What Shueisha is doing is retarded.
>>722373536>if goddess of destruction was neko cosplayCvckqueen now kino
>>722370637He was born that way. It's not like he decided to be evil
>>722422515I won’t forgive them until Shueisha release 2007 film’s Phantom Blood on home media.
>>722380262Cell did mention in the anime that he was going to try and end all life in the universe. Probably for bragging rights.
Soul vs Soulless
SHITjita....
>>722423547>death fanonsCapeshitters…
>>722423547CapeGODS....
>>722422903>all the villains from Hell return!>but none of it really matters and it's all borderline fillerWeird use of a concept.
>>722422903What are those proportions? Freeza looks like a midget.
>>722424416Super 17 is the worst arc of all time. It's best to be forgotten, so much so the school shooter isn't even in Sparking Zero.
>>722376751Not only that, but he could spawn a bunch of Cell Jr and just have them beat the shit out of him for the free senkai boost and after that he could beat the shit out of them for the Frieza training boost.
>Super is shit and if you enjoy it you're unironically a faggot and LOVE Tardku. Bejita is the best character btw.Why did he say this?
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNGGGGGGulk!!!
>>722417013>>722417113Human sperm is more potent than monkey sperm, and our dicks are proportionately larger as wellMating with a human male would be an otherworldly experience for a saiyan female, they should all experience it.
>>722423514He was literally a battle autist since Dragon Ball. Master Roshi taught him to never get comfortable and always work hard. The stakes were just different in DBZ because the threats kept going after his family.
>>722425435He's right about Daima being a waste but I don't see his issue with Super? I mean he's a cynical old man and is clearly only seeing things from a business perspective, while Super has its flaws it still made Dragon Ball really relevant in the zeitgeist and stuff like Ultra Instinct and Black were really popular.
>>722377446That's bullshit. Also, don't forget there are only like 28 planets have mortal life in universe 7. 28 and Frieza goes and exterminates then for the fuck of it.
>>722380081Anon, Frieza wanted total galactic domination and control. He didn't just wanna safeguard the planets he possed, he wanted ALL the planets that would benefit him.
>>722376753Cell was a rabid dog who was gonna kill everybody on the planet. Nappa and Radiz just wanted immortality and were probably gonna overthrow Frieza. Frieza didn't really give a shit about earth.
>>722376751>also has regeneration, negating Frieza's lack of staminaRegeneration eats up huge chunks of stamina, though.
>>722380876>Even more Goku wanking
Imagine a Absolute Dragon Ball universe.
>>722424349CopeGreasers
>>722424349CapeCHADS...
>>722425494>>722423547>>722422515kek and marvelfags expect us to take them seriously.
>>722426569CapeCHUDS…
>I'm the pacifist now btw
>>722427140Nah it makes sense. Gohan was raised by his mom to be a scholar and he was forced to be a fighter. He only steps in if his family is threatened.
>>722427140To be totally fair to Gohan, it was a pointless battle. Cell won, he got what he wanted already, Cell's just being a dick now, they're fighting for nothing. Cell could just go chill for the rest of his life.
>>722427337except at no point before the Cell saga did he display any pacifist tendencies.
>>722373486There's a 90s fighting game where Goku's ending is exactly thathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNRz-Qn1Bbk
>>722427430Anon, Cell and the Androids went after his family.
>big>swole>still has that absorption tail>no useless wingsSemi-perfect was the true perfection.
>>722427506>nger lipsno
>>722427140He only said this because he figured out Goku's plan and how retarded it was
>>722382539lets also give credit where credit is due, for every bit that toyotaro isn't good, Toriyama was specifically exceptional at fight choreography and paneling. being compared to toriyama just highlights how much worse he was
>>722428014Angela should’ve been with Gohan instead Vitch and useless Pan
>>722427858>and how retarded it wasIt worked, didn't it?
>>722427140I want Capcom retcon Ciel as pacifists.
>>722427858and refusing to kill a murder hobo like Cell isn't retarded?
>>722427430>>722427337Rather watch/read Son Gine turned SSJ2
>>722388717>He wouldn't have anyone to train with for those 7 years so I doubt it.i think hes aware theres life outside Earth so he'd fuck off to fight other shit in the galaxy and/or the afterlife
>>722406724>>722406575Oh thats why shes so strong and hot. Okay
>>722376753I know this is a shitpost but Freeza was brought back out of necessity as a last minute replacement for Buu while Vegeta kind of just became an ally out of necessity to fight greater evils before just stumbling into redemption. Could Cell have become a good guy if given the chance? Maybe, but probably not given he can't just be coerced through his penis like Vegeta was, on account of not having one. But circumstances never allowed it and Cell was way too dangerous to be given that chance. There's never a point where the heroes could have spared him without losing the entire planet in the process.
>>722425923he was a battle autist but he also was able to take things seriously much more frequently even as a goofy kid. starting after the frieza saga is when the cracks started showing in his writing, and toyos personoification was basically pulled from that and the overly goofy way goku behaved in the movies. it was trash
>>722417204Krillin gets to tap 11/10 eternall young pussy until he dies so from his point of view the cell saga is a perfect success.
>>722425923>>722429604The best Goku will always be Piccolo Jr arc Goku. Perfect balance of cheeky playfulness and maturity.
>>722371157>>722371113Repeat after me: SUPER IS NOT CANON
>>722417204>Rather than bum rush this guy, you decide to honor a 1v1 tournament for no reasonAnon, they try that the moment it looks like the Gohan gamble is going to fail. Cell doesn't even have to fight them, he just shits out a bunch of mini-mes which all completely dick down Goku and buddies.
>>722430149it also fit him at the time, and he even paid for his light heartedness letting his guard down before the fight was over. it all came togethe really well.
>>722379994NTA, but yeah, that's what he's saying. They finally admitted, Mexibro.
>>722425956I think Daima is a lot better in terms of general quality than Super. Super was more popular for all the wrong reasons.
>>722370970After blowing up the planet, he probably just wanders the cosmos looking for a good fight. At this point one of four things happen:>A pissed off Babadi either enslaves him or sics Dabura on him, who maybe kills him.>He meets Beerus after destroying one too many planets, either Beerus blows him up or is impressed enough to make him a GoD in training.>He eventually encounters Broly and gets murder fucked.>He wanders the vast emptiness of space and luckily never encounters any of the above characters. He might even dodge Beerus if Shin is dumb enough to try taking him on directly before Beerus wakes up.
>>722411117>Him saving Earth a handful of times does not redeem him for his past actions.Having a part in Buu's defeat is effectively saving the Universe, not just the Earth. It makes sense that the scale evened out.
>>722382962Daima was frontloaded and fell off a cliff towards the end.
>>722431329Vegeta was told flat out that sacrificing himself wouldn't redeem him and he was going to Hell when he died, and he didn't hesitate to sacrifice himself anyway. And after he died, he still didn't hesitate to put his very existence on the line by rejoining the fight against Buu. And it was his idea for Goku to use the Spirit Bomb.
>>722431670but why didn't they just use the potaras again? the entire universe was at risk
>>722371120>vored the androidsThat's like eating rocks, who wants to eat inorganic matter?
>>722428850Not wanting to do something =/= refusing to do something
>>722375532despite..
>>722380316Granted, I’m pretty sure Supreme Kai was less worried about Dabura because he expected the group to jump him and not 1v1 him. If Supreme Kai and Kibito could have handled Dabura they would us be done so without getting uncontrollable mortals involved. If you count Super then we also see that it took Supreme Kai and Trunks to take Dabura at extreme diff with SK dying from the fight.
>>722378861Good decision, they would have never managed to make it NOT disappointing.
>>722427140This isn't Gohan being a moralfag, this is him knowing that if he gets mad he won't be able to control himself
>>722430149His height in the manga was weird. Going by that, he's literally a midget compared to Piccolo.
>>722370637He was only "evil" because Gero's computer told him he needed to consume humans and then the two androids to become perfect so he could kill Goku.Bulma and her father could have just hijacked and analyzed the computer and made him an ally, but Trunks and Krillin just blasted the infant Cell and Gero's lab without giving it a second thought.
>>722431767Buu was fighting on his own with no absorptions, it wouldn't have been fair
>>722435971>>722427337He need Zangya’a blue pussy
>>722436523Cell basically had the same arc as Piccolo but went in the opposite direction at the end. Piccolo was born to kill Goku and avenge his father/past life's death, but when he actually did it, it was in circumstances that brought him no satisfaction, but he was free to choose his own purpose at that point, and it wasn't until that point that he started changing for the better. Once Cell had become perfect and killed Goku in his suicide attack he had fulfilled his programmed directives, and he decided on his own that his true purpose was to destroy everything. And the funny thing is, Gohan plays a key role in influencing both of them to make the choices they made.
>>722431767Villains often have plot armor in dragon ball
Often in stories its the villain's stupidity that makes the heroes thrive, but dragon ball is one of the few where its the heroes' stupidity allowing the villains to thrive
>>722370637>>722438890>>722436523He turns good in Goku's ending of this game.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNRz-Qn1Bbk
>>722440084Also here's a video with all the game's endings.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnsrjTgtwkE
>>722370637I think my HERO would have killed Cell.
more like vejeeta lmao
>>722370970 He’s the new kami. Basically earth is now his responsibility since there would be nobody strong left
>>722440353He weak to green aura.
>>722426384For Piccolo, but Cell was at full power after regenerating from 1 nucleus.
>>722430571Daima is going to be the most forgettable of all the DB series. Its characters and lore aren't very interesting, SS4 came from GT and games were already doing SS3 Vegeta.
>>722427937Cute.
>>722441135even worse he got a zenkai boost from itwas that the last zenkai in all of db?
>>722426075Supreme Kai was talking about high level mortals, which is vague. Frieza could just be conquering a bunch of cavemen and maybe civilizing them.
>>722441423>zenkai boostdoes this even exist or is this just an asspull made up by westoid fans? the name itself makes no sense (boost from going all out)
>>722442798That's was the Name Saga's whole theme.Complete with power level wanking
>>722442798It's not an official term but it's canon. The plot abuses it on Namek.
>>722442798What Z mean than?
>>722443117it's just a stylized 2, i.e. dragonball 2
>>722379237>non-future cell is reprogrammed to remove his natural evil inclinations and his ability to consume others>because he doesn't get to absorb humans he retains more of his bug-like physique>learns about Gohan's justice faggotry as it skulks around>the kamen rider rip-off gets a copycat that's a shin kamen rider rip-offCringe kino...
>>722442798>The term Zenkai (全快) meaning "complete recovery" was used in Goku's explanation of Vegeta getting more powerful after having almost died, this is presumably the origin of the term.There you go. The official term for it is "Saiyan Power", and it is a real concept in the show that's brought up multiple times.>>722443117Marketing gimmick concocted by Toei, it doesn't really mean anything.
>>722379237Given that he's a bio-android and not actually mechanical at all, I doubt there's anything Bulma could have actually done to "fix" him. That seems very outside her wheelhouse.
>>722443365>same reading>change the moonrune and it's a completely different wordfuck this language. it's impossible
>>722443164Imagine the ad boost for Wii Z instead U?
>>722436240That was intentional, but I guess by the time he fought Piccolo, Akira made him taller, or Piccolo wasn't much taller and both of them had another spurt by the timeskip.
>>722377682This is pretty cool. Thanks for showing me this.
>>722377682baZed
>>722378559Angela > Videl
>>722427587>>nger lips
Cell literally says he enjoys the look of terror his power inspires. He'd have won the tournament and probably just become an evil overlord of Earth.
>>722445352>Cell literally says he enjoys the look of terror his power inspiresI mean, so did Piccolo jr., he just never actually went through with any evil acts against civvies on screen while that was Imperfect's and Semi-perfect's whole character
>>722370637Evil. Stupid evil, at that. "Blow up Megaton" evil. Because if he wanted a challenge, he had the examples on the table of what possible challenges could manifest. And humans alone were still troglodytes with regard to development and combat potential. So the pragmatic move would've been to set the stage for fighting tournaments and training to become a focus of civilization to create a situation for steady contest via evolution. But instead he just wanted to fight the mightiest on the planet to prove his own superiority and then kill everyone else. So he was insecure on top of stupid and evil. The combat autist side wasn't enough to overcome the arrogant dumbfuck side.
>>722445578Exactly, while not Piccolo Jr., Cell had the exact same goal as King Piccolo, just a lot more malicious because instead of the Earth serving him he just wanted to see people suffer.
>>722420239I think there is something sacred enough about life that they dont revive everyone at all times or things would get kind of awkward. Like when they revive the RECENT victims of the major villains its usually people killed on a massive scale in a short period of time not literally everyone they killed across all of time.
>>722424416they were trying to be fun like original db not epic powerscaling all the time >>722424678he is a midget next to goku in dbz lol
>>722370637Cell Saga sucked
>>722441481>and maybe civilizing them.Lol!>Frieza could just be conquering a bunch of cavemenLOL!>Supreme Kai was talking about high level mortalsLMAOOOO no he wasn't
>>722447392Agree original manga should include Androids 21.
>>722447392Piccolo Jr. > Saiyan > Android/Cell > Freeza > 22nd Budoukai > Buu > 21st Budoukai > Pilaf (muh whimsy) > Red Ribbon ArmyThis is an objective ranking btw, and argument against it is inherently incorrect.
>>722448206Oh shit forgot King PPiccolo Jr. > Saiyan > Android/Cell > Freeza > 22nd Budoukai > Buu > King Piccolo > 21st Budoukai > Pilaf (muh whimsy) > Red Ribbon Army
>>722373404to be fair the future androids got through like 99% of the population before getting bored, I'm sure Cell would have hit a similar number.
>>722374136dbs lore and characters are so unbelievably ass compared to dbz
>>722409003nta but whats the real reason?
>>722374816What? Are you retarded? Frieza is way more different than cell and buu are, none of them are similar to each other through their personality or mimics
>>722409525They'd need to use the Super Dragon Balls to bring those planets back. And why would he plague the universe with violent Saiyans that were completely loyal to Frieza and reveled in senseless destruction when he could just go to Universe 6 and visit them instead?
>semi-perfect cell almost dies>regenerates because the one cell he needed to survive for some reason didn't explode>gets saiyan power boost>boost for some reason brings him back to perfect despite that specifically needing both androids to happen>boost also pushes perfect form beyond super saiyan
>>722379237i'm still mad, they redeem piccolo, cuckjita, buu, even fucking frieza in super but not CHADELL
>>722448547Wakamoto too expensive?
>>722448834he was still weaker than gohan if vegeta didnt chimp out we could have had a real fight
>>722427858>goku's plan was retarded>making the only person on earth able to kill cell fight him is retardedWhat was he supposed to do? Just not let gohan fight and wait for cell to destroy earth? Cuckjitardfags are utterly retarded, holy fuck.
>>722449447Telling Gohan about it beforehand would've been a start.
>>722449447Presumably, tell Gohan about the plan instead of just winging it. It doesn't really matter if it panned out in the end, he just sent Gohan up against someone that was objectively stronger than everyone in their group and was banking on Gohan's tard rage kicking in to tip the scales in their favor.
>>722449769The point is, dumb fuck, in a story, you don't tell the reader what is going to happen next in the story before it happens.
>>722449828tell him offscreen in the time chamber thenit should have been a surprise to all but gohan
>>722449828>characters can't have off-screen conversationsNo sir, you are the retard
Regeneration is the best power.
>>722370905He never really cared about the tournament. Not really, in any genuine sense.He cared about the tournament as far as he could use it to prove his superiority, mostly to himself. He didn't want to actually see if there was anyone stronger than him, nor would he have believed anyone was. He only held it, to prove he was stronger than everyone, and mostly just dicked off during it and trolled people he didn't care about. Arguably it only existed at all so he could 1v1 Goku, and beat him with an audience.He's the worst bits of everyone he's a part of. Goku's fight autism, Vegeta's ego, Frieza's megalomania, Piccolo's murderous impulses.
>>722450001It's insanely busted especially in Cell and Buu's case, but you'd need quite high pain tolerance.
>>722441416It's still better than GT and Super, though. I can see myself rewatching Daima someday, or at least parts of it. I've never cared about rewatching Super and I haven't bothered with GT since its dub aired on Toonami 20 years ago.
>>722449886>>722449913off screening it spoils the surprise, dumbassthe point is, even gohan thought goku was way stronger than him, it needed to be a moment of surprise for the reader too, but you're too dumb to know how to structure a story
>>722450125>off screening it spoils the surprise, dumbassFor whom? Because it should be a surprise for literally everyone except for Goku and Gohan.
>>722449447He should have waited for Bejita to go in and to job
>>722450159Toriyama's execution was perfect. We had Gohan's thoughts about Goku's plan and even he had no idea what his plan was. If we had Gohan's thoughts being that Goku asked him to beat Cell, or blank thoughts, it would have been too easily spotted that he was the key character.
what if cell were TRAPPED and BETRAYED in the time chamber for 10000 years?
>>722448547He's a bitch to draw and animate due to having spots
>>722450120>I can see myself rewatching Daima someday>Or at least parts of itIt's okay to admit it wasn't good, anon. You don't have to dance around it anymore.
>>722450462>it would have been too easily spotted that he was the key character.Was it not apparent enough that he was, given that ALL of the training in the time chamber focused on Gohan? Or the fact that Goku was teaching Gohan the folly that both he and Cell could pick up on with Vegeta and Trunks' training? Or the fact that Goku was actively glazing Gohan's growth on-screen while they were training in the time chamber?What kind of pea-brained idiot are you?
>>722441416>B-But it's better than GTIt is funny every fucking time.20 years and more advanced technology has changed the industry completely and that is what Daima became to be known for?Dragonball fans are Stockholm syndrome cucks
>>722450752No it wasn't, you dumb fuck. Since Gohan himself thought Goku was stronger and had no idea what Goku's plan was. Gohan always had glazing moments in Saiyan arc, Frieza arc, but didn't end up carrying the Frieza arc. It was all just really good foreshadowing from Toriyama. You're the literally pea brained dipshit for trying to say "b-b-b-but the fictional character is bad because he didn't tell his son!!!!!" Holy fuck how fuckind utterly you are.
>>722450984fucking utterly moronic*
>>722450984You're trying to cling to this surprise factor when the most obvious tell of all that Gohan would be the one to beat Cell was when Goku surrenders and tags him in. You're acting as though the characters can't be surprised just because there's a plan that still hinges on the mere chance of everything going right. Goku can tell Gohan about the plan off-screen while emphasizing that the chances of success are low, and nothing changes. Goku can still surrender his match to Cell and tag Gohan in, and nothing changes.Gohan can still completely and utterly get his ass beaten by Cell, and nothing changes.Gohan can still have his trigger moment, even with knowledge about the plan, and nothing changes.The only thing that changes by telling Gohan about the plan beforehand is that Goku doesn't look like a complete and utter buffoon when it starts going south.
>>722451274>You're trying to cling to this surprise factor when the most obvious tell of all that Gohan would be the one to beat Cell was when Chichi wanted Goku to promise her that Gohan wouldn't have to fight and Goku dodges the question hard.Fixed that.
>>722451586Just as well, the tells were so obvious that the only thing that would've made it MORE obvious is if Goku held up a sign that read "Gohan will be the one to beat Cell"
>a normal Dragon Ball thread for a change
>>722450961>20 years and more advanced technology has changed the industry completelyI'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. It's not like the average series is better now than it was 20 years ago, even with the early digital pains of the 2000s. I think Daima is better than GT, but that's not saying a whole lot. GT sucked. It sucked in 1997.
>>722451274>Goku can tell Gohan about the plan off-screen while emphasizing that the chances of success are low, and nothing changes.The change is in the reader point of view, DUMBASS. It wouldn't be as surprising if he did it that way. This is a story that you READ for ENTERTAINMENT. It's not a real CHARACTER nor a real DAD and KID. It's NOT that serious. And the fact that Goku tells Gohan or not if he needs to fight cell literally doesn't change anything, it would just add more pressure to Gohan before the tournament and make him unable to relax during the few days they had, if anything. Funny how hard you try to depict Goku as an asshole for that but totally ignore how Vegeta literally didn't give a shit about Bulma and Trunks literally dropping to death.
>>722452205>The change is in the reader point of view, DUMBASSHow? How in the world does something that happens off-screen that isn't revealed to the reader UNTIL IT HAPPENS affect the reader's point of view?