>Umineko is the best visual novel ever made>better than Steins;Gatehe is right/v/ cant refute this.
It's not a game~
I’ve read parts of your books, Gerseph, you can’t critique anyone’s writing.
>>722394450Excuse you, he said it was the greatest work of fiction of all time. A perfect 10/10. Get it right.
>>722395970>all that whining>10/10based
>>722394450Has this faggot even read any VNs besides those two
>>722396679the answer is no.
>>722394450>cant refute this.I can.
>>722394450It started out strong but turned to complete shit after ep5.
>>722396679does Ace Attorney and Danganronpa count
>>722394450Guess he never heard of Nekopara
>>722396819lol
>>722394450What even is Umineko about, it's a meta murder mystery with magic, time travel, dimension hopping and rewriting reality?
>>722397143the answer is noread it
>>722397208I got better things to do with my time than to read a bloated unedited mess
>>722396679a shitton actually, like all the somnium files games and the Danganrompa "games" are VN. >>722397143Its about how each person creates their own reality, and there is no objective truth. And once it gets you to understand that concept it adds "so if everything is subjective, why are you choosing the reality that makes you feel like shit?"
>>722397143you cant roll a six every time>hurr what that mean thats not what umineko is aboutHeh, umionlies................
>>722396819F/SN is never taken seriously because nobody reads the VN, instead, opting for the ufotable adaptations. It just doesn't hit the same and devolves into shonen slop
>>722394450Umineko? More like... Umemaro!
>>722397317Holy pseud. People spend 100 hours reading that shit just for some surface level postmodernist dreck? Fucking weebs lmao
IT'S FUCKING FAMILY MASSACRE TIMEI love this time of year.
>>722397857you can simplify everything to sound really shallow you know
>>722397898You summarized it, not me. It sounds like something a teenager would write, and it probably wouldn't be the length of the Bible.
>>722397395>you cant roll a six every timeYou can but odds aren't in your favour > Suppose you throw a coin enough times.. suppose one day, it lands on its edge..
>>722397857for me it seems more Nietzsche inspired than postmodernist, and in the end it has a very pro-faith argument so its based in my book. Regardless, its anime shit and i fuckin disconnect every time the dude lays some weeb shit. He is best when he has gameplay to enjoy, his BG3 playthrough was magnificent.
>>722397528I hear you, and you are exactly correct. FSN is very long and expects good attention, something when combined means filtering most people. Their loss, i say. They don't have the bone to sword through it.
>>722396819I've read it but I can never really stomach the route storyline shit narratively
>>722394450>come back from streaming hiatus with a long-awaited stream series, debuting to like 6000 viewers>be an annoying faggot the entire time so viewership drops to the low 1000s>start bringing your discord kitten onto the stream while you inexplicably devote 8 months of your life to reading a visual novel live on stream>now streaming to sub 1k viewers playing games nobody cares to watchDude blew it.
>>722398065>their lossI understand reading Shriou's inner thoughts and the domestic scenes for 200 hours is going to filter a lot of people, I just would rather not have them then go and watch the watered down anime and try to pass judgement on the VN
>>722394450>The man is so broken after his divorce that umineko's moral got himBWL hes a shell of himself
Ace attorney is the best visual novel ever made, any other suggestion is retarded
>>722399256I prefer gluten joe.
>>722399575>pre gym tom is goneWhat a shame.
>>722394450LMAOUmineko is an absolute turd and the only reason anyone even remembers it are some big memable moments like DEMOOO DAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE UEHEUEHEUHEUHEUHEUHEUHEUHUE or MINIATURE BOMBSThe plot started really well but immediately shat the bed. The moral sucks, the main plotline sucks, the mysteries suck. Characters and memes are the only thing saving this disgrace of a game. And the music
>>722400054>the moral sucks
>>722400159Yes, it's shit, the author is a fucking retard and tries to teach us something, but the only thing he shows us is that he's triple the retard we thought him to be
I mean it is a highly specific moral of: if youre dead family all died at once under mysterious circumstances and they may or may not have killed each other, it's best to just move on and have kids with a hot french mercenary.
I hate that this dunning kruger eceleb has become attached to umineko threads.
>>722400187The moral is literally just "try to think the best of people you don't know and don't choke on your own despair for no good reason".
>>722394450>tardseph tarderson threadKill yourself
>>722394450>>Umineko is the best visual novel ever madeThere is a 50% chance he proceeds to troon out over the next few years now
>a song's beat is subjective
>>722402091Jesus christ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYomAl4LwCUthe only decent thing to come out of this shit
>mattmatosis but without any of the intelligence, skill, independent thoughts, insights, analysis or charisma
>>722396819>>722397528You will say I'm being hyperbolic or baiting but FSN is literally in the top 5 worst pieces of fiction I have ever read. I wish I watched the anime it could have saved me over a hundred hours.
VNs are a porn medium. As porn, it's the best bar none, genuine masterpieces of fap material. For "real" storytelling I think it's a waste of time compared to both anime and books. Calling some All Ages VN the best there is just makes me assume you're low IQ.
>>722402401Have you ever read a modern book? They're even worse sometimes.
>>722402353>FSN is literally in the top 5 worst pieces of fiction I have ever readOn the other hand, FSN is the top 1 pieces of fiction i have ever read and i will stand on that hill until the day i die. Funny how that works, doesn't it?
>>722402445Would be a fair point if Umineko wasn't almost 20 years old, Fate already past that. People are always discussing the classics, not the drivel you find browsing the "Newest" tab on Steam.I'm sure there are countless classic books any one person has never read.
>>722402537>>722402353FSN is the best chuunikino ever made and entertaining as fuck. as long as you dont care about coherence its amazing
>>722402401everything is a porn medium when being able to masturbate is the only reason you haven't killed yourself yet
>>722402548Oh, don't misunderstand me, Umineko is absolute shit. Some VNs are fine though.If you compare old VNs to old books then yes they lose. But it's not an unsalvageable media, like Light Novels, for example, who are all trash. I feel like the best ones are the ones that also abuse the fact that they are, indeed, a visual fucking novel.
>>722402353I don't see why it should be that bad. Fate may be overrated in many ways, but Stay Night is a pretty consistent and palatable experience. Do you just really hate Shirou?>b-but this meme image!Anyone can be reductive. It's not a real argument.
>>722402639The sad thing is that the picture is not reductive at all kek It's quite literally what happens in that scene
>>722402573To me it's less about it being cohesive and more about it being a drag to read, anon's joke image shows that very well. I wouldn't mind it being just as poorly written if it wasn't as overly verbose. Though I suppose if it didn't waste as much time as it does it already wouldn't be as poorly written, but you get the idea.It's not that I read it and enjoyed it fully and then later came to the conclusion that it doesn't live up to my standards in fiction, it's that as I was reading it I was bored out of my mind.I'm ok with schlock, that's not the issue.
>>722402353I haven't read FSN but your picture has convinced me to give it a try
>>722394450I like the style and characters of s;g more so I guess he's refuted
>>722402684It isn't.
>>722402537I genuinely don't understand how this is possible.>>722402639>Do you just really hate Shirou?Yes, but I hate many other characters too but Shirou is by far the worst and most annoying.
>>722396987I came buckets to After
>>722394450He never read YU-NO.
>>722397923You're trying way too hard, lil bro
I dont think Deathwing ever said that
>>722394450both are shit
>>722402827what do you think he did while they were rebuilding him up, he was reading VNs
>>722402637Oh I'll agree with that for sure. It just boggles my mind to see people acting as if it's high literature, and especially when they turn their backs on the porn side as if it's dragging the medium down instead of lifting it. Saying censored versions are better for example because the porn was holding it back. Holding it back from what, being even more boring?VNs have some of the best "porn stories" ever written, but they do not have some of the best "stories" ever written, is basically my point.I like how VN stories allow themselves to go places no respectable book or anime would dare, that's a distinguished feature, some really dirty shit is praised as a masterpiece in this medium. And that's fucking cool, not something to be ashamed about and hope remakes sanitize.
>tastiest turd award
>>722402780I didn't like it as much as I hoped but finally fucking the sister was still nice. Sayori actually made stomach bulge hot, somehow, so she gets points for that too.
>>722402952What's the context for finally fucking the sister?
>>722394450I counter with muv luv
cat girls are cringe thoughread raging loop if you want kino
G-Senjou no Maou won
>>722402998They get a new cat who is getting used to the family, and the sister is pushing her to be honest about her feelings and ask to get fucked too, so the cat says "I will if you will, I know you're holding back too" so she confesses and asks to get dicked and you fuck both the sister and your new cat.
>>722397317Ayo dis dumbass nigga believes in magic
>>722403270I was a sucker for the first route
>>722397857Umineko is the opposite of post-modern. The entire story is framed as a conversation with the author and trying to understand what he's saying.
>>722403385Same but the last route really made the game for me.
>>722401179retard the moral is indulge in solipsistic delusions bcs feels > reelz no wonder women like it so much
>>722402771Well if that's your problem it's just not a story for you, 70% of the story is about Shirou, who he is, what he does, and why he does what he does.
>>722403643Wrong. You aren't supposed to deny the truth, just not seek unhelpful truths.
>>722394450eroge and pc98 hentai game called game, because we play our dick and cum management. but what the point those adv without smut
>>722403643Trying to apply a binary moral to Umineko makes no sense. It's too long and has too many themes to reduce down to any one concept in particular.If I had to try, I'd describe Umineko as an exploration of the different ways humans cope with loss or trauma. That's the superficial perspective. On a deeper level, you could argue that it's about "death of the author" vs "biography". But there's a lot of ways to interpret it really.
>>722403673there are ways to make your main characters irrational and even insufferable without the awful writing that comes with FSN, uncut gems for example
>>722404083>awful writing that comes with FSNSeems like a (you) problem to me desu
>>722404083I didn't have any problem with Shirou's ego death explaining his lack of personal self. I enjoyed the buddhist angle, and turning that lack of self into a magic sword power is, while yes silly, still a very fun thing to read about.
>>722403302The funny thing is that the game is an alternate timeline, so in the real canon Shigure will be forever miserable and cucked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LccKQSqVEJ0This scene will forever live rent free in my head
>>722404251Wish it wasn't, not because I care about canon, doesn't really matter if no more "real timeline" games will be made anyway, but maybe if it wasn't a what if it would have a more satisfying ending instead of feeling like doing sidequests after the credits roll.
>>722404083Shirou's obliviousness and recklesness is both the main theme of the VN that is explored in-depth and is strangely admirable and endearing at the same time. That's the sign of good writing, if anything. He's a clumsy dork boy with the iron will of the man.
Oh fuck me he's actually put out a video since I last checked
>>722404338For me its the bad end in Heaven's feel where Shirou beats Saber at the cost of turning his brain into mush. That shit is forever engrained into my mind and the fact its missable bad end is sad.
>>722404417Is it his magnum opus that ruined his marriage, The Witcher 3?
>>722394450Did he play KS?
>best VN>not any of the yuzusoft oneswrong.
>>722404839No he only posted part 1 of that like an early access release.
>Umineko is the best VN guise>didn't even finish S;G since he got filtered>didn't play any other good VNs like Muramasa or Muv Luv>best VN guise trust meWhat a faggot. No wonder his wife left him.
>>722405445objectively it's the best vn he has playedsgtannies can seethe for eternity
>>722405557Why are you treating visual novels like its a console war? Do you happen to have some kind of brain damage?
>>722405445Muramasa is overrated. It didn't enrich my life reading it in any way, shape or form. There's no moral or message to draw from it.
>>722394450
>>722394450>Play Umineko because your new gf is into it>New gf drops your relationship after you finish UminekoLol, lmao even
he is right and if you are not able to post anything else but edgy rape shit that you only read for shock value or those "read this for 100 hours it gets so good at 20 hour mark!" VNs like Muv Luv then I will ignore your opinion
>>722405618keep seething literally until you diein your deathbed you'll be thinking about some random e-celeb shitting on your tranny vnsuch is the will of steins gayte
>>722405729did she really? damn this guy is a lolcow
>>722405743Here you go. 10h long and better than (you)r favorite VN.
The best VN is Baldr Sky.
>>722405729lol link?
>>722405838>10 hour longI highly doubt 10 hours is enough for as nice of an experienceumineko chapter 1 alone is basically an Agathe Christie novel but way way better
>>722405729Don't really blame her. His videos are ok but his personality during streams is insufferable.
>>722405984At least Hanachirasu doesn't turn to shit at the final 2 chapters like Umineko does. If you want to compare it with just the first half of Umineko then maybe but that's a dishonest comparison.
>>722405890twitch.tv/videos/2582463715?t=0h13m28s
>>722406075Generally I think he's fine when not being serious while playing non-weeb shit. He clearly doesn't like them nor is the target audience so he's gonna have the most normalfag takes of all time.
>>722406171chapter 7/8 are the best ones tho?
>>722406285Even when playing non-weeb stuff, he starts acting like a toddler whenever someone disagrees with him or when a game challenges him, and often blames the game for entirely self-imposed problems. It might be just things he does in the heat of the moment and might walk back afterwards, but he's always like that and has never improved that behavior.
>>722405729proofs?
>>722394450>/v/ cant refute this.If Umineko was good, I would have played it. Since I haven't, that means it is shit.Get fucked, loser.
>>722406171I see nothing wrong with the last 2 chapters
>>722406509I remember when he sperged out over Y0 since people told him to stop acting like a retard kek
>>722406263jesus fucking christ
>>722405729I thought he had a wife and kid lol
>>722406263
>>722406263>we split up>for now
>>722405729She's off to make another man play Umineko. A powerful mission, and a thankless one.
Umineko suck ass, and it showed hack07 is not capable of making something good without his buddy keeping his retardness in check. Higurashi is way better and has a good ending.
>>722407003>wants to eradicate all men by making them obtain shit tasteNOOOOOOOOOOO
>>722407047>Higurashi is way better and has a good ending.Trvke
>>722407047>higurashi has a good endingI mean its a good ending but its just gay
>>722407047>>722407110should I read it? I've read umineko already and didnt like it that much
this guy should seek some mental helphe seems like a bit of a fuck-up
>>722407126It's more focused on SoL when there isn't anything going on so if you like that sort of thing it's pretty good.
>>722407126lets seeumineko is way better pacedbut if you ever read fate then you arent gonna get scared anymore after those one and half hour dinner scenes that lead to nothingthe peak moments of higurashi are way better than anything in umineko, but again higurashi has the worst shit in it also
>>722407262>umineko is better pacedThats a horrifying sentence
>>722394450Umineko WOULD be the best vn ever made if it was about Battler banging his aunts and mom.
>>722397317>Its about how each person creates their own realityI agree that everything is subjective but the idea that everyone controls their own subjective reality is nonsense
>>722406509Reminds me of when he told chat how he thinks Team Cherry are assholes to other game devs by selling silksong for $20. This resulted in him arguing with his chat for over 30 minutes.This bruised his ego so bad, now he has a running joke where he makes obnoxious voice and goes "idk if this game is worth [price of the game], silksong was only 20 bucks"
>>722406509He got pretty tilted at the mildest disagreements with chat members in his Persona 3 streams.
>>722407047>without his buddy keeping his retardness in checkPeople really overestimate what BT actually did at 07th Expansion, huh.
>>722407301higurashi is basically broken up into SoL scenes and then anything that has actual plotwhen plot stuff actually happens its really good but the fact is that its 50% of SoL and at certain points its just horrible how casually they are put into the storylike I've seen the anime before I read it and it was still so fucking good even when I knew what was happeningalso Higurashi actually has a mystery though its not written to be solveable
>>722407126Looking back on it after recently playing Umineko I think Higurashi is stronger overall. Umineko has moments though that I think are way cooler, plus my favorite parts were the debate fights and fight music.Higurashi maintains its horror and suspense atmosphere for way longer also. You might find how the episodes work compared to Umineko interesting as well, the first “tea party” in Umineko certainly messed with me as someone who’d read Higurashi and I imagine it was the same for other readers.
>>722396679Slay the princess and doki doki for western shit
>>722394450The best VN is No, thank you!! though.
>>722406509E33 shoves the message down your throat and he still somehow got it wrong, and chose to argue with his chat about two NPC models looking similar instead
>>722394450>EGS Japan ratingRance X = 99Umineko = 65>VNDB rankRance X = 1Umineko = 5
>>722406285There's a balance. He does like weeb shit, but have too many games in a row and he gets overly negative.
>>722394450He's an actual, unironic grifter and yet gets a pass because he said orange man bad a couple of times
>>722408214This bot is malfunctioning
>>722408509
the town made him stupid
>>722406263this is probably a weak attempt at a joke. i refuse to believe that's what actually happened
>>722394450Hamster
>>722405445Muv-luv sucks ass for 80% of its runtime and I consider it a black stain on the medium for how popular it is.
>>722408584>4 years agoAnd we still only got Part 1 of the video which was kinda ass.
>>722407784I remember watching some of his early reviews back in the day before he outed himself as a complete pseud when talking about horror as a genre.He'd often say "If you're like me you probably saw [this thing in game] and figured [retarded extrapolation based on my addiction to tropes and surface level ideas in writing], but you'd be wrong!"He did this in his SOMA review, even back then I thought he was being pretty fucking stupid, as a Frictional fan I could never see them writing such a babies first "it was all a dream" plot, guy's a fucking lemonhttps://youtu.be/J4tbbcWqDyY?si=QLjhN40UNzK9daiV&t=253
>been aware of Umineko for years now>still haven't read it>been enthusiastically shitposting about the wrestling the entire time regardless
>>722409605>Always talks about how he's demonized and called Satan>Check the likes ratio on his videos>It's like 90% positive Wowee
>>722410128youre doing the same of fapping to gacha girls without playing those games
>>722397143It's nowhere near that cool it's actually just about escapist fantasies and coming up with OC tulpas to cope with a shitty reality.
>>722410532Why would I play a Gacha?
>be Umineko fan>hate Fate, Muramasa, Muvluv, S;G and every other popular beloved VNWhy are they like this? Is it a weird inferiority complex?
>>722410338There's a whole niche youtube ecosystem that subsists off critiquing joseph anderson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lhy9QnBHmo
>>722411445Imagine Silent Hill 2 but written by hammy boy.
I like chaos;head more than steins;gate and I like higurashi more than seacats the more time goes on. I think turkeyhandle and fate are about equal if I include kagetsu tohya and hollow ataraxia. umineko has so much bloat and a lot of it blends together. ryukishi also continues to prove hes a retard with every new project which gives credit to bt keeping him in check
>>722412685Chaos;Head is genuinely so fucking stupid I never got the appeal beyond the basic "cool spooky atmosphere". Completely goes to shit once they attempt to explain anything and when the magic swords come out. Child was better but a bit forgettable.
>>722398428It's specially funny because he broke up with the discord kitten around episode 7 or so lmao.
>>722412860I think s;g is objectively better but takumi and the atmosphere are exactly what I want out of a vn. I would never argue that it's superior which is why I said "like" but I personally enjoy it more partially because of how retarded it is
>>722394450Rosatrice
>>722413159He's still doing weekly streams with the slut though I think that's just not true anon
>>722411196Most uminegros haven't actually read any other visual novels, not even higurashi. Also>Sacchin route never ever
>>722398428His visceral hate for everything in P3 despite loving (or pretending to love) 4 and 5 needs to be studied. I guess the divorce must've just hit him hard.
>>722413382In >>722406263 she says they split up but still do content together on Sundays. Just another form of cuckoldry.
>>722406818He mentioned in his helldivers stream a reason for the break was he was getting divorced
>>722403708>You aren't supposed to deny the truth>just deny the truth when convenient though
>>722413382They literally anounced their break up on stream. They are still friends but no longer a couple. https://youtu.be/H4xtcWismys?si=CkVyd1BkNpDyLrQkIt's around 8 minutes in when they explained. It's kind of sad how comfortable the girl seems to be with the breakup vs joe ngl.
>>722413549>>722413614wow well that's gotta be fucking awkwardI wonder if he regrets going through Umi for her lol
>>722413614Of course she's comfortable: she had zero buy-in to the relationship emotionally, it was all about kickstarting her streaming career.
>>722407262>umineko is way better pacedUmineko has significantly higher word count and padding. Higurashi has about 50% less just due to being shorter. It's the exact same pattern in both of endless SoL for hours and hours. The lows of Umineko are worse it just starts lecturing you in the last 1/4 and throws out the entire theme and plot up until that point. At least Higurashi concludes without the author turning bipolar and spewing insults at the reader.
>>7223944501-4 sure5-8 are shit
>>722413743>it was all about kickstarting her streaming careerMany such cases
>>722394450never played umineko but S;G is grossly overrated
>>722413614>It's kind of sad how comfortable the girl seems to be with the breakupThat's the nature of women dude, they always have a few back up options so they feel no remorse when ending a relationshipAnd like that other anon said she probably used him to further her own streaming career.
>>722394450I don't need to refute it, he's right. But Steins;Gate isn't that good so it wasn't too hard for Umineko to pass that.
These are the VNs I've read so far>Higurashi Kino>UminekoKino. I'm not sure whether I like Higurashi or Umineko more>CiconiaPretty good, shame it's never gonna get finished >HiganbanaKino>Little BustersGenuine masterpiece>ClannadKino>RewriteHad a few good moments but overall I didn't care much for it>Steins GateGot through one route and it was alright but I didn't feel compelled to bother with any of the others >Muv-luvGive me my 90 hours back dammit
>>722413790in higurashi the padding is usually lolis in outdated Japanese sports uniforms while in umineko its pretty much always related to characters and has meaning
>eceleb cancer thread>been up for ten hoursMods, do your fucking jobs.
>>722410856I LOST MY SHIT WHEN I SAW THAT PIC AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>722414540and before you talk shit, "outdated" means just that these are no longer in use in Japan and they are only present in popular culture
>>722414540That's not true. You make it sound like the SoL scenes are any different when it's exactly like Umineko except briefer. Each scene foreshadows later events except they don't repeat themselves twice as much like Umineko. The lolis are 2 of the main characters it's not just some unrelated content. Umineko does it with Maria and later loli Ange. It's not more mature or less padded because more characters are old.
>>722414791Higurashi is set in the 80s retard-kunStop being a faggot
>>722406263I thought this guy had a wife and kids or something
>>722414847when exactly am I seeing the 10th mildly different school game that goes on for 20 minutes and this happening like six times in every single chapter, in umineko?I literally cannot think of anything in Umineko that isnt plot related or isnt trying to tell a narrative about characters. Even the bullshit magic scenes have a narrative point to them
>>722414915The blatant fan service scenes with the uniforms and punishments are such a small part it's weird he fixates on that unless he's anime only. Most scenes that feel like padding are games that foreshadow the later mystery or theme of each chapter.
>>722414915>>722415141I am not fixated. I just pointed out the only thing I remember from that fucking water gun scene.also its not a secret that Ryukishi has a fetish here>>722415141only thing that actually had anything to do with plot was the one where I think they played bunch of games against the school boys and K1 gave the teddie to Rena instead of Mion (forgive me if I remember this wrong)
>>722415082Brainlet. Each game gives you a chance to guess the mysteries of the episode. You are being purposefully obtuse if you think the Umineko magic scenes and consistent lying to the reader aren't leagues worse. You read literal hours of content in Umineko that you are told to discard as not happening and there isn't even a drop of meaning in the majority of fake scenes besides misdirecting the viewer. Umineko is insulting how much it wastes your time with repeating things and lying to the reader without substance. I like them both overall but you can really see the success of Higurashi went to his head and made his writing worse. Umineko could have more than 50% of it's content entirely cut just removing repeated lines alone. After the first time it's just meaningless padding
>>722394450Umineko is actual garbage and proof Ryukishi can't write mystery to save his life so needs to resort to shit tier metacommentary to carry everything. It's a shit tranny series and he will never surpass the original Higurashi.
>>722415398>Each game gives you a chance to guess the mysteries of the episode.list 3 games from the first 3 chapters that are like this. If this ends up being where it has one small scene and the rest of it is bullshit then dont bother.
>>722415621and I will personally not allow you to use the teddy bear one
>>722415367>I am not fixated. I just pointed out the only thing I remember from that fucking water gun scene.>also its not a secret that Ryukishi has a fetish hereYou sound fixated. I don't even know what water gun scene you are talking about that could be construed as a fetish. The water gun fight was a great scene that foreshadowed the rest of the chapter that followed.Every single game has to do with the plot. Explain to me how scenes like George and Shannon going to the fucking aquarium are necessary. Why did we need to see Ange's boring ass school life for 5-10 hours where she cries about being bullied? Was that really necessary for the themes of the story? Did that foreshadow jackshit? You can't tell me stuff like the Chiester sisters, the seven deadly sins, and numerous other magic characters are not waste of space padding bullshit. The amount of fart huffing going on while writing Umineko almost ruins the how good the peaks are. The metaverse battles can be kino when it's with words but I don't give a fuck about long descriptions of irrelevant characters firing magic missiles. It's significantly worse because the padding happens in the middle of climactic moments and fucks with the pacing even when you think it's getting good.
>>722407126Higurashi is better than Umineko but its more inconsistent. I would argue that its never as boring as Umineko gets with the likes of episode 4
>>722415398>each game gives you a chance to guess the mysteries of the episodeAh yes, because from old bachelor, zombie tag, president, the Watanagashi contests, and the game of clue you are able to determine that the answer to the mystery of the first episode is that Keichi was going crazy from an alien mind virus and everything that he saw were hallucinations caused by the disease.
>>722415870>I don't even know what water gun scene you are talking about that could be construed as a fetishI am talking about him designing characters in a certain way. Regardless I am not bitching about it, I am just past the horny VN stuff.all of the magic scenes are always talking about the characters, their personal struggles and also revealing about the world of magic and what it means to the characters. Even in chapter 2 where Beatrice spends 30 minutes of talking shit to Kanon and Shanon, it has relevance even though you might not appreacite it initially. Uminekos strong points are these moments with the characters where they are alone with their thoughts and deal with their shit.Only reason why removing the SoL scenes from Higurashi wouldnt work is because you would lose the conflict of fucked up shit happening to these people you just hanged out with. That alone isnt a reason for having ten of these scenes in 1 chapter. They dont have any other point in the story outside of creating this shock value.I am waiting for you to list SoL scenes that have reasonable plot or character relation that stands on its own
>>722415870NTA, but yes they are relevant. I won't say that they are paced well, but they do establish important stuff.> Ange's school lifeCome on, that's like so essential to Ange's character, how she relates to Maria's, basically explains what "magic" actually is in Umineko. It is too long of a section though. > Chiester sisters/stakesThese characters exist as magic representation of the guns used in the murders and the actual stakes. They also serve the function of giving you a clue into the real identity of Ronove and etc.> George and Shannon aquariumYeah that could be cut out.
>>722416328>I am talking about him designing characters in a certain way. Regardless I am not bitching about it, I am just past the horny VN stuff.The original designs are not horny in either. I think you are really reaching or mixing up things with the anime designs.>Even in chapter 2 where Beatrice spends 30 minutes of talking shit to Kanon and Shanon, it has relevance even though you might not appreacite it initiallySpending 30 minutes talking to herself is exactly the kind of bullshit I'm talking about. Higurashi is never that indulgent or flat out insulting to the audience. I exaggerated with the games foreshadowing the mysteries though because I can only remember a few things. Like the one you mentioned and maybe some hinting at the real story going on with Rika when she over performs at some using foreknowledge.The exact kind of scene you like in Umineko is better to me in Higurashi since it's actually happening to some degree. I feel cheated by all the characters that so much time is spent on that ultimately don't really exist or are entirely inconsequential to the story. I'm a bigger fan of the smaller cast in Higurashi. If Umineko stopped at the initial 17 or whatever number it was I would have been fine but after 40 or 50 characters I started to get annoyed by each appearance of someone new who padded things out. Characters like Will and Lion showing up 7 episodes in really made me not give a fuck and hate them regardless of their importance.
>>722407126it's impossible to not like Higurashi if you're not the type to get filtered by SoL and "anime" stuff
>>722416496I just meant it's not any more padding than the scenes in Higurashi are. You could definitely characterize Ange without that stuff and I would argue that the game does plenty without her school scenes. Just having her refer to her diary and say the things Maria did was more than enough. There might be scenes where the Chiesters/stakes foreshadow something important but they are usually just unnecessarily drawing things out. You don't need them. They should've been cut and the foreshadowing done through existing characters
>>722407126When I finished Umineko I was pretty unsatisfied but then I loved Higurashi. Umineko has higher peaks with some of the tea parties but way lower lows and way too much padding.
>>722394450Well they should have finished the Umineko anime instead of making 5 seasons of Higurashi. Only reason we have read Umineko.
>>722416956you didnt like the whole "lol it doesnt matter" thing. I get that and I usually dislike these sort of things but in Uminekos case they arent just "it doesnt matter" thing in the end. I loved the way it narratively wraps a thing up what you would in Higurashis case think of as multiverse
>>722417492Japan hates Umineko (because it's shit and R07 is a hack)
>>722417587They don't hate it they just don't like it.
>>722417537I only hate on it because I love it. I think the peaks are higher than Higurashi I just see the rest of it as needing edited and trimmed. I thought Higurashi wasn't as bad but I guess I just enjoyed it more. I never realize it had almost as high or a word count. Either being longer than the Bible is criminally underedited
>>722417803nah they absolutely hate both Umineko and R07
>>722394450I really like VNs and been trying to read more is the GOG version of umineko censored? Last one I read I found out that had a patch to play the actual game and the version I bought had missing scenes. Also recommend me some.
>>722417182I think the school setting is important because it also establishes her life after the incident, how she is isolated and bullied in school, and of course, how she explores magic to cope with that. I think the setting and framing chosen are completely fine, but the pacing is soooo slow. About the chister sisters, you are partially right, aside from how their existence ties in with the murderers, they usually appear in a scene to give it more levity and usually aren't that important to the plot. Forgive me if i'm assuming too much, but by other posts the problem you have is that these scenes aren't focused on the main characters (the Ushiromiya family and the witches). I get that criticism and why you would like Higurashi more because of it, because these scenes server a similar function in the 2 VNs, but at least in Higurashi you are spending that time with the main cast.
I disliked most of Umineko but the Ange scenes were all good
>>722417906pretty sure there is no censorship in Umineko.
>>722394450I used to watch his streams religiously since 2018, but as time went by, specially the last couple of years, I felt extremely ostracized from his community.Recently I checked back, and he seems to have less than 1k viewers. What the fuck happened?
>>722418604he listens to his audience way too much and then doesnt actually gather a loyal followers who will watch him regardless of what he plays
>>722394450I gave up on Umineko once Episode 7 started added even more characters and just lost the will to keep on reading with the backstory reveal that dragged on forever, the ending of Episode 6 was kino anyway so I don’t mind leaving it there.Also Higurashi absolutely blows Umineko out of the water and it isn’t close.
>>722418604Smaller games like pentiment usually are 800-1000 viewers. Most big games have 1k+ viewers.
>>722394450he's right you knowSteins:Gate is just shitty version of donnie darko
>>722397143No its about a kanon and shanon being the same person because of a would that forced them to be trans
>>722419698More like Donnie Darko is just a shitty version of Steins;Gate.
>>722418604He found out Weeb shit makes him the most money
>>722394450Umineko is worse than Higurashi but way better than Steins;Gate
>>722419698Donnie Darko is the most "I'm 14 and this is deep" movie ever
>>722417839>I only hate on it because I love it. My love for it runs deep in my heart, making the hate come from a sense of love for the visual novels. I think the points where Umineko no Naku Koro ni are at its most entertaining are at a higher standard than the same high level entertaining points that are in Higurashi no Naku Koro ni. However, due to the length of some scenes I believe the scenes in Umineko no Nakur Koro ni could be reduced in length after the initial draft to be more concise while retaining its original message. After reading Higurashi no Naku Koro ni, I thought it was enjoyable despite the word count, though perhaps I didn't realize the length of the visual novel at the time due to my enjoyment keeping me immersed in the story. I certainly never thought it had a word count similar to Umineko no Naku Koro ni. Either of these two visual novels being longer than the Bible showcases the writer's inability to shorten scenes.>In other words, the visual novels needed an editor to trim the fat.Don't worry I made your post a Ryukishi approved post.
>>722422089so as Steins;Gatebut this one is for 10y/o underage fags and latinx retards
>>722422976Not really SG doesnt even try to be deep or particularly complex, it's just a really entertaining time travel story that loops around on itself quite well.
>>722397528>devolveslol, lmao it's shounen slop since the first line
I still can't believe R07 decided to metaphorically kill the WTC series with sotsugou just to end up writing that silent hill flop
How do I regain my attention span for VNs? Back in the day I literally finished the entirety of Muv Luv Alternative and Subahibi back to back in like 2 weeks, now I can barely read for 30 mins before alt tabbing back to youtube. And even if I do keep reading, I never get to the ending of anything, I get bored in the middle and move onto something else. What do?
>>722424545just accept you realized it's a boring medium
>>722424545Stop being a child and lock the fuck in.
>>722424545read VNs that have voice acting and learn Japanese so you are able to follow even with low attention span
My biggest wake up call ever was realizing that people actually like umineko/higurashi and FS/NAll my life I thought it's a very elaborate inside joke on /a/ and /v/
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>>722407429I'd make one exception: he was 1000% right about the cameras and the later reaction to them was pure vindication
>eceleb cancer>visual novelWe're on multiple fucking levels of "not vidya"
>>722422609Thanks anon. Made me bored just like the real thing.
>>722397143It's a murder mystery until the author realizes he is a hack and the mystery is shit-tier and decides to drop it completely and transform it into some retarded "just live in your own delusions bro!!! You're much happier that way!!". Yes, 100 fucking hours for this dogshit waste of time
>>722425382HE wasn't though? From what I remember he lost his shit on how no one was talking about how Mitsuru was spying on everyone and recording everyone with the cameras, completely ignoring the fact that the cameras were recording by themselves, until later on when it's revealed that no one knew it was happening and he doubled down on his own retardation. He also wanted it to turn into an actual serious plot point where you're allowed to talk to the characters about "Mitsuru spying on us" when it's clearly just some goofy fan service
>>722425758Yukari definitely knew about the cameras and tried to pretend she didn't when Fuuka found out. Also, it's not like the cameras walked into the rooms and installed themselves. Fuuka being upset about it just makes it weirder that Makoto didn't say shit because clearly not everybody is into being recorded
>>722421606Donnie Darko was an enjoyable watch, I liked it way more than S;G.
>>722405729Pumped and dumped.
>>722425758>yukari is suspicious of mitsuru since day 1>spends every dark hour before door-kun awakens to his persona spying on him with mitsuru and ikutsuki using the cameras>does not bring up that mitsuru has cameras installed in their rooms which she can use to spy on them when she calls mitsuru out in front of the group>during the last camera scene yukari conveniently forgot that the cameras were installed, once she remembers she says she'll go to mitsuru to ask for them to be removedNo matter how you try to paint it someone comes across as retarded for the sake of adding in some fan service scenes. Either Yukari is retarded for not using all of her ammunition against Mitsuru when she wants to make it clear that Mitsuru is keeping secrets, or she's retarded for having her memory of the first two days wiped. Or Mitsuru is retarded for not checking the command room that she should have a full understanding of. If something's broken and not working as intended she should be the one to look into and fix it.
>>722397143retards confuse convoluted with complex/deep, its just constant shitty plot-twist faggotry with awful prose by a chuuni tranny
>>722426168Door-kun just doesn't care
Im just glad Joe didnt become an insufferable p3fag.
All the people just outright lying in this thread are hilarious. You're so cool bro everyone believes you!
