How would you fix FF12?
>>722398776Fix Vaan's design so he isn't a generic faggot, literally took me 2 minutes to make a better design. Make him a amnesiac too so you can have him be this harbinger of doom whose connected to the antagonist in some way
>>722398776throw it in the garbage and start with something completely different that has nothing to do with ffxii and is actually a good game.
>>722398776Zodiac fixed it
>>722398776Vaan and Penelo seemed like afterthoughts, but otherwise9, i really liked this game
>>722399857And that soundtrack?
>>722398776Make the main character be a dual split between Larsa and Basch.Relegate Vaan to a side character member of the resistance who is the student of Vossler.Remove Penelo.More Arcadia plots and judge interactions. Make the Emperor an actual character and have Larsa manage to influence him before he is assassinated. Expand the Viera lore so that Fran is more relevant, maybe tie their lore in with the Occuria.Expand the endgame to include the Occuria going batshit and having to put them down for good. Maybe give Vayne, Venat, and Cid alternate deaths to redeem or betray their ideals.
>>722398776Standard license board except modified to have clear pathways toward specific builds rather than being a very scattered messGambit slots are no longer unlocked via the license board; all are available immediatelyTrash mobs no longer pay out LP at allLP is finite and the only way you earn it is by defeating designated bosses and marks throughout the story/huntsRespeccing license boards is possible at save crystalsReequipping your party members mid-battle doesn't take place in the pause menu, now you do it in the normal battle menu and it is subject to its own cooldown timerGambits do not need to be purchased at all, all are unlocked from the get-goMore costumes for Ashe, Penelo, and Fran which increasingly delete their clothing and accentuate their buttock regions
>>722398776Better quest markers. Some of the sidequests are extremely obscure and basically impossible to complete without a guide. I'd add a better fast travel system too as backtracking is very tedious
>>722398776Cid MCCut 90% of Vaan linesThrow combat into trashActually write ending
>>722398776>fixWhy would I need to fix it? It's already really good.Well, you could just add more content, I guess. More hunts, more espers, more sidequests, ultimate weapon quests etc
>>722398776completely replace gameplaycompletely rewrite storycompletely rewrite characterscompletely replace boring ass worldcompletely replace shitty license board progressionmusic and visuals can stay, everything else was utter dogshit
>>722398909we're talking about the gameplay not your pedophile fantasy
>>722398776Make the gambits only for party members.Make Menu options able to be moved around.
>>722398776gameplay: all characters in battle all the times, gambit would be usefulstory: rewrite from scratch pg: get rid of vaan world: more side conquest, less empty, minigames
dedicated button to open the gambit screen
Don't allow two jobs and find some way to increase the difficulty and you got a perfect game.
>>722398776better characters(I only like balthier and fran) and character variety, so many races and you only get 1 non-humanbetter music, the soundtrack is abysmalmore color, shit is drab as fuckfix this shit: finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Effect_Capacity so actions other than the regular attack are useful
>>722398776fire matsuno in the beginning . save money.
zodiac age fixed all the problems i had with it
>>722398776There's nothing to fix with Zodiac
>>722398776I remember thinking it felt really short and empty compared to other FFs, in terms of story anyway. I think the character stuff is a red herring and they're basically OK, it's that like 1/4th as much plot even happens as FF6 or FF7 and there is a lot of mediocre narratively empty stretch content like the hunts and MMO zones
>>722402105>6 party members at all timesUr a idiot.>6 people fighting 2 skeletons in a hallwayOkay we increase the enemy count>6 people fighting 5 skeletons in a hallway. 11 models on screen minimumFor what fucking purpose
>>722398776I would actually finish the damn game so there aren't story gaps.
>>722398776Your pic already fixes FF12
Make Penelo's ass bigger.Give Ashe badonka boobs.
>my heckin story in FF of all gameslol
>Rebalance the gameplay>Rewrite the screenplay>Cut 1/3rd of the main quests, which are primarily filler just to show off setpieces>Write some decent sidequests instead of generic MMO shitBasically change the entire game because it's a piece of crap that wastes its amazing concept design and musical score on some of the worst game designers and writers in the medium's history.This applies to every single FF title.
>>722398776Fix the automation system so that you put more complicated conditionals than IF A THEN B
>>722403804I think it needed a more traditional climb the tower/world is dark/go to the moon section after what was the final fight.Ashe just sort of tells the ghosts to fuck off and the game ends
>>722404084>playing JRPGS for other reasons than story
Give the team the time they need to finish the game and don't meddle.
>>722404151>playing JRPGs for the storyIt's the same goddamn thing every single time.
>>722404086>every single FF titleFuck you Crystal Chronicles is the real blueprint for a FF narrative and the only issues with it are the fuckshit elemental gates and how Squeenix refuses for over 20 years to make a normal multiplayer system
>>722404151you're beyond retarded
>>722398776More character interactions and small talk.
>>722404160How much time do they need? They've been working on it for 40 years, and they only seem to be getting worse at it.
>>722398776Could use skillchains like FFXI
>>722404229Tell us you are a Gamecube faggot without telling. Crystal Chronicles is not a good template for anything.
>>722398776Change nearly everything but the combat. The gambit system is great.
Make it shorter. I never beat this game because i never wanted to continue after that part where you're lost in some big crystal. More gambits.
>>722404525>More gambits.YEAH, If I had like 5 more gambits, I could achieve perfect automation for every encounter.
>>722404525That's almost the end of the game though if I remember correctly. After the crystal (which isn't that long or complex) there's only the lighthouse and the short final dungeon inside the airship.
>>722398776I still want a game halfway between FFXI and FFXIISomething single player, with full party realtime combat, where you have gambits to control your party, and with the mechanical depth of a game like FFXI. Everyone wants them to go back to turnbased, and Square seems to only want to make action games larping as RPGs, but I think those experiments with realtime RPGs were really promising and I wish they had developed them further.
actually make a final dungeon instead of the few rooms we got in sky fortress bahamut
>>722404525>I want less game in my gamekys
>>722398776Actually write a story this timeIt baffles me that smaller games by the same guy (Vagrant Story, FFT) had actual story, character development and main character(s) not being useless... but then FFXII failed to achieve any of that.
More Ashe
>>722398776Fix?
>>722398776More dialogue and party interactions. By the end of the game it doesn't really feel like any of them are particularly close.
>more challenging gameplay game is way too easy specially TZA version>more side queststhe world is already there, we just need more reasons to visit certain areas later other than Hunts. >change Penelo's outfit to the one she wears on the endgame cinematic and Revenant Wingsher default clothes made no sense to me, the one piece suit looks fucking retarded with those shoes. >Make characters interact with each other moreeveryone knows this is one of the main problems with the game, there is barely any memorable interaction between them>remove the random chest spawn mechanicmakes no fucking sense at all>make Rosaria part of the lore and world and not just some mentioned locationthis makes even less sense, considering they show you the location on the map and even have characters that come from there.>rework all the useless technicksthere are so many worthless abilities in this game that could be useful, game overall needs a whole rework.>make quickening seamless with the combat and not some instance where you spam buttons hopping to get a chain>more enemy variety that aren't simple reskinsby the 5th map of the game you already start seeing the same shitty bird men everywhere>have Vayne play a more important role in the lives of the protagonisthe's just "le bad guy from le bad empire"
>>722398776By not calling it FF12. Was an ok game but a shit FF.
>>722404185>witches from the future is the same as aliens sent to help merge the planets is the same as pacifying a dream whaleAre you fucking retarded?
12 is the ultimate weeb filter, chiefly because Matsuno fucking despised animu shit. Figures the moment he left they added the femboy fujobait character.
>>722398776Put clothes on Vaan.Fix the final act so that the final dungeon isn't just one floor of a spaceship.Flesh out the Occuria more.The combat and the world map were great and Zodiac already fixed the skill trees.
>>722400172I never understood why you had to purchase gambits at all, especially considering how cheap they were and how useless 99% of them are. I remember the official strategy guide I had basically telling me to ignore most of them and just pick Ally: any for any status healing lol
>>722404135Ashe needed to be the final boss considering how often she nearly goes off the deep end right up until the end of Pharos. Have her snap in the final dungeon and then have the party team up with Vayne to take her down in the final level or have her team up with Vayne; definitely would have made the game more interesting
>>722409290Vayne was such a shitty, forgettable villain I sometimes forget he was even a character. They really should have leaned into Venat more as the villain.
>>722408410>make quickening seamless with the combat and not some instance where you spam buttons hopping to get a chainThis is the only reason I haven't plat the PS4 version. Fuck that random shit.>have Vayne play a more important role in the lives of the protagonistFunniest shit was him saying "Who are you?" to basically everyone. I mean I think he was directly addressing Ashe but it's still funny how appropriate that is. >by the 5th map of the game you already start seeing the same shitty bird men everywhereMost if not all Final Fantasy games are like this, especially the earlier games. It did make the hunts and bosses feel less special in this game, I'll admit. It's hard to get invested in the lore of an optional boss or mark when they're just a reskin.
more brown bunny girls
le Zodiac Shit revisionist appraisals as the superior version are the most secondary bullshit I've ever seen with a bullshit rationalisation of balancing the game when it's easier than ever. All because the director got pissy that some players were making every character clones of each other despite them having clear stat strengths and weaknesses in the original game that incentivised different builds (except Vaan who is busted as hell and Fran who is paradoxically the shittest character in it)
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Some good suggestions were already posted, however there is one thing that i think would help the game a lot, and that would be some more ingame help about how to find some hunts and especially rare monsters.If you play FF XII without using a guide you will probably miss a lot of content, and playing while following a guide simply isn't that fun and removes the sense of discovery.I feel that the above is true for other games as well.
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>>722409845CAPTAIN
>>722398909They could have just copied Shulk from Xenoblade and XII would have been a perfect 10 to me.
>>722409870>and that would be some more ingame help about how to find some hunts and especially rare monsters.I think the problem with some of the environmental hints the game tries to give you is that it's written in that airy fairy Alexander O Smith style instead of being straightforward.
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>>722400106>Expand the endgame to include the Occuria going batshit and having to put them down for good.The Occuria cause shit in later games so that wouldn't really make sense>Relegate Vaan to a side character member of the resistance who is the student of Vossler.You basically just described Vossler
>>722398776The only fixing FFXII needs is having its true vision restored. FFXII was what all future FF's were supposed to be. An explorable overworld.
>>722398776IZJS's license board with the original's difficulty. All gambits (not slots) are available at the start.
>>722404135>I think it needed a more traditional climb the towerLiterally what The Pharos was, you just climb it before she tells the ghosts to fuck off
>>722398776Add some kind of engaging story so it's not just 40 hours of jogging across ugly monster-infested maps in between made-up history lectures
You will surely get the Dalmascla
>>722410138>You basically just described VosslerYeah, but it would be much more fitting to have him go through the same thing as Reks but have Basch save him and change their character relation.>>722410138Never played Revenant Wings but Ivalice Alliance games in general make up new shit all the time so it wouldn't really mess up anything. Just make up some new entity to cover their niche.
>>722409870>If you play FF XII without using a guide you will probably miss a lot of content>I feel that the above is true for other games as well.I mean, you just described every game by Matsuno, with Tactics Ogre being the worst example of it.Like, when you have an entire guide about postgame content:https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/psp/999440-tactics-ogre-let-us-cling-together/faqs/63915And the first part of it explains WHEN to start it because you need to do most of available side content (including cryptic content that gets explained only AFTER you beat CODA - fuck Chaos Frame) before starting it (otherwise you will miss some CODA content), you know shit's fucked.And then there's pic related that's just a fuck you to EN players.
Get a better voice actor for Basch. Jesus Christ the contrast in talent between him and Gabranth in the same scenes is painful. I'm glad they kind of learned from that and just started hiring British stage actors now. Only took them like 20 years.
1. You can sprint on the overworld2. Larsa is the MC now
>>722398776We have been over this but ok, once more, from the top. First you focus more extensively on Ashe, it´s her story after all. Second you need to develop every esper as much as Belias. Each one needs to have it´s own story of rebellion against the Occuria and all areas must be made part of the story rather than optional dungeons. Speaking of which, it´s the main party that should advance the plot through their actions. This thing SE has been doing for the past decades on which the party is just fucking around while only the antagonist actions advance the plot is ridiculous. It seems uninvolved and takes away all agency every single time. Hunting, searching for stones and helping NPCs should be optional sidequests not something that is forced on the player because the main story doesn´t have enough meat. In fact sidequest should also have some sort of purpose, be related to fleshing out some party member, developing relationships, getting interesting items. This thing were you just hunt some wolves and get some money or a potion or whatever is unacceptable.
>>722410586The worst shit is all the animu voice actors rushing their lines to match the lip flaps while the actual actors they got for it actually speak naturally. Even Vaan is more tolerable because his actor actually focuses on properly delivering his lines.
>>722410686>First you focus more extensively on Ashe, it´s her story after all.The game already turns into Ashe and friends the moment you get her. Even Basch is sidelined harder than Vaan.
I honestly wish we had a more adventure based game with all the secrets and hidden stuff in FFXII but even more focused on. Stumbling across Espers, new bosses, and doing the various Hunts were way funner than the main game.Getting absolutely fucked by Adramalech just exploring, finding Ultima in the new part of Giruvegan, and the whole Underground area of the Lighthouse were great.
Equipable after every boss
>>722411152or at least one of the judges can join your party
>>722411152>Child bearing hips on armourPity there's not more porn of Drace
>>722398776It really doesnt need fixing since its the last decent FF compared to 13 and the ones after.>best english voice acting>Unique and memorable designs for pretty much all characters and races (Penelos clothes are the only terrible thing)>best moggle design>animations of character movements in the cutscene is absolutely stunning with its level of detail>story is extremely interesting and well written>actual statisfying endingThe only 2 things i could think of that could take some improvements are>combat not being so gambit heavy and a bit more difficult. I dont hate the combat overall though it fits the game and makes it stand out.>side quests being a bit more fleshed out like the espers and some hunts.I absolutely love th esper stories in this game as is already, but wish there was more to them.
unironically one of the best games i have ever played.
>>722410886Basch being sidelined was indeed another problem. Their relationship seemed to be pretty interesting and complex but it´s never developed.
>>722411540If you enjoyed running simulator, you might also enjoy truck simulator
>>722398776It's already fixed by mods like TSFF on PC. There's nothing else to do.
>>722412093>If you enjoyed running simulatorwhat does that mean?
>>722412316>It's already fixed by mods like TSFF on PC.explen
>>722408410>>more challenging gameplay>game is way too easy specially TZA versiondon't play tza
>>722398776it would be made by square soft, enix wouldnt become a thing
This is kino and idc what anyone says. https://youtu.be/a6pLDh7JJN0?si=7v63bogNFe9WQEjU
>>722414021https://www.nexusmods.com/finalfantasy12/mods/59https://www.nexusmods.com/finalfantasy12/mods/218
>StoryGive Vaan, Ashe and Basch the revenant wings Vaan treatment, less shirtless heros and miniskirts. Get twice as many in-game cutscenes showing character interaction in. World is nice, characters are shallow. The origin of any interesting story is always human.Also rework the whole pharos of ridorana story segments but keep the main plot points. >GameplayThere are only 2 modes to this game: Mindlessly easy or difficulty spike extraordinaire. Same with magic/technicks. They're either completely useless or essential. Gambits are fine, but don't let that carry the game's marketing in any way because it won't. They're a minor optional mechanic for whoever cares about it>WorldVery very nicely done. I enjoyed it a lot. Maybe more enemy variety and rework dungeons such as Miriam, Nabudis and Pharos to make them a bit more mysterious. (more secret shops, illusory walls?, a puzzle here and there, a nice setpiece to break the monotony)>SoundDon't touch the original OST or voice acting
>>722411345This has to be bait
>>722415326Different anon hereI actually agree with the productiuon value side of things. FF12 was a playstation 2 game and it has better voice acting and cutscene character animation than many modern games. The graphics were spanking too. I disagree with the story being extremely well written and interesting, but that's highly subjective. FF12 was well worth 60 coins back in the day, I would say
>>722415168>>Gameplay>There are only 2 modes to this game:are you talking about TZA or the original.
>>722415168Ashe and Basch are fine and are also useful plotwise. Removing Vaan and Penelo and adding party members from other races would have been better, especially considering the many unique races of Ivalice, with some of them (like the Garif) even linked to the Occuria.
>>722398776Remove gambit system and give it traditional turn based
>>722415538Montblanc should have been a party member
>>722415538Sorry, wrong post.>>722415784>>722416058
>>722415538TZA because the last time I played the original was in my actual PS2. I think the original is a bit more difficult but very very weirdly balanced as well>>722415784Vaan and penelo are underdeveloped, but I am not 100% sure about Ivalice races being protagonists. Do I really want a Nu-mou / Seeq / Bangaa in the party? Now that I think about it, races in FF12 Ivalice lack personality. Only humes and vieras have actual broad personality expression through clothing/weaponry/voice acting
>>722409074>femboy fujobait character.Fujos don't go for Vaan. Trust me.
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>>722416058he is the true villain of the game>>722416185>TZAi don't want to start a fight but let's just admit TZA is a trashy version. there's no point talking about gameplay when it comes to TZA. it's always a shitshow.
>>722398909Bro just described Zidane.
>>722416298I'm tired of Internet arguing, so I'm not gonna shitpost you. I hear you. TZA is a mess and way too easy. It's been a long time since I played the original so I don't really remember, also I was a teenager. I should probably play it again. My main fear is that the original game would also have 2 types of encounters: Piss-easy story foes (Garuda, Daedalus, Vinuskarat, Cid), or contextually spikey optional content such as Elder wyrm, Zodiark, Cuchulainn.But, again, I hardlty remember the original game so don't take my views seriously.
>>722416185>Only humes and vieras have actual broad personality expression through clothing/weaponry/voice actingI completely disagree. One of the reasons why the setting was mostly wasted it's because despite the many races they focused too much on humes and completely failed to diversify them.
>>722398776I can't remember anything about this including the plot. All i remember is you fight Gilgamesh in a mine thing and some kind of abstract monster called Omegadeath in another mine, also it has that giant crystal. Despite misremembering all this i've got a nostalgic vibe for it, i remember the texture work was great.
>>722416298look at him in the eyes and say it again if you dare
>>722398776make it shorter and more compactthe nigga and his black queen are the MC, focus on there romace (FF fans love that since X even 7 and 8)make the player know who the big bad is in the 1st few hours not the 60th
>>722416360Translating his name as "Zidane" was a mistake.
>>722416968It really was, especially back in the day for playstation 2. Seamless texture transitions, tastefully made natural lansdcapes, absolutely gorgeous urban 3D environments (Rabanastre city, Arcadia, Eruyt village), transparent 3D materials such as glass/crystals, and gorgeous main character 3D work. The only visuals I wasn't excited about were normal magics and pre-rendered human characters
>>722417232The English localization of FFIX sucks.
>>722416185Vaan and Penelo are not underdeveloped, they are just completely useless. Without them nothing would change in the game.
>>722417610Yes. My point is that the reason they are useless is because they need more work from the devs. Nothing is ever "absolutely" anything. That's black or white thinking, it's too simple. Things can be salvaged with enough work
>>722416185Do I really want a Nu-mou / Seeq / Bangaa in the party?Yes
>>722400106I like a lot of these options. The cast and characters are pretty weak as is. Lots of potential, lots of poor choiceBasically this game feels like it boils down into>great setting>poor story
>>722418196I agree. It's a shame because the setting was truly great and really had potential.
>>722398776More character moments. More non-human characters. Gambit that makes Steal easier to use. Less RNG stuff. Make summons more useful. Other than that, it's perfect.
>>722405439>>722410686>>722411540>>722415784here's a controversial statement> ashe should have been the main characterbasch, fran, and balthier are all good supporting charactersvaan and penelo can fuck off
>>722398776Give it a better final dungeon that doesn't make it feel like a chore that isn't even remotely enjoyable. Make the final weapons a lot easier to obtain than trading shit at the exact time in an order that's impossible to know in-game. Give it more interesting sidequests besides chasing down bounty monsters. Make it possible to use other characters besides Vaan in the city maps. Different outfits would be nice because one thing that bugs me about classic JRPGs is characters wearing the exact same shit in the desert and the arctic.
>>722411345Penelo's clothes are sexo
>>722417610Without them, Ashelia B'Nargin Dalmasca becomes the next Dynast Queen, supported by the Occuria, and obliterates the Archadian Empire for murdering her own family leading to a new unified land!Sounds great!Completely bound to fate by the Occurian deified beings, considering themselves gods, and manipulating generations of Ivalice for their own magical greatness.Turns out people didn't want that. And without vassals, Occuria was powerless.
>>722416607>the originalThe original game was even easier to exploit than IZJS or TZA. Having job-specific boards adds some variety if nothing else.>>722415326>baitHow is it bait? The idea that the story in XII is bad is mostly perpetuated by braid-dead weebs and people who have never played it and are just parroting game journo and e-celeb opinions.
ixion, fafnir, behe king, yiazmat were some of my all time favorite fights ever in jrpgs. if you played tza you were 100% conned. you didn't play FF XII.
I still don't get the whole thing with Vaan's brother and Ashe's fiance looking the same. I spend the entire time thinking that they were the same person.
>>722419094>"MUH ANCESTORS WAS KINGS AND SHEE-IT! I WANNA BE ROYALTY TOO, SO I'M GONNA BE A TERRORIST WHO MESSES WITH EVERYONE BECAUSE MUH ANCESTORS WAS KINGS! AND IMMA DRESS LIKE A HO WITH THE TINIEST RED MINI-SKIRT AND TWERK ON THE HOOD OF ARCHADES AIRSHIPS! SHEE-IT! MUH ANCESTORS WAS KINGS!"Ashe is easily the worst leading female in any FF.
>>722419094You are joking, right?
>>722419131If you unironically believe that the story in XII is great then you are clearly the brain-dead one
>>722419920>doesn't refute the argument or the points therein>"you are joking, right?"Try formulating a coherent argument next time, or any at all, for that matter.
>>722419516They all look the same, anon.
>>722420089Let me guess - you think it's bad because Vaan is the main character? Or because he is not wearing a shirt?
>>722398776Just rewrite some parts of the story and add more drama to it. The game itself is fun.
>>722420089>the story in XII is greatit's both good and well written. that's what makes XII a surprisingly replayable FF for me.
>>722419920Vaan influence on her adventure, starting in the Garamsythe Waterway, is the defining factor of how she was able to refuse the Occurian juncture and their tempt with deifacted nethicite from religious crysts. His own suffering helps her realize there is more to Ivalice than herself. This is further acknowledged when Larsa joins the team and he seems very agreeable, despite being an Archadian noble set-in-line to rule the empire. And that meeting with other governments to generate plans for war, she continues to recognize that it's all manipulation and puppetry and her role as a noble (and fate-driven geneology) has hidden what people like Vaan and Penelo live through... and how she can take responsibility with her own country.Not become a "fate" chosen Occurian device.
>>722420227The story being told in the background is good. The story as you experience it is bad.The most interesting story points in the game have nothing to do with the party.
>>722419516They weren't very creative with faces in this one. In fact most are outright ugly. They wanted to create a "hume" style to make it distinct, and ended up with ugliness.
>>722420102The burden of proof is yours, anon. Show me how Vaan and Penelo are the only reason why Ashe didn't follow the Occuria's plan.
>>722398776>Remove Vaan>Make Ashe and Basch the MCs>Speed up battle action cooldowns by 5x>Overlay armor/outfits
>>722419978I'm so sick of trading information for "chops." It's a stupid sidequest.
>>722419821>Ashe is easily the worst leading female in any FF.I'm pretty sure the competition is between her and Lightning anyway>FF1 had none>FF2 had Maria>FF3 had none (until you count remake which had Refia)>FF4 had Rydia and Rose (depending on part of the game)>FF5 had an entire harem>FF6 had Terra and Celes (depending on part of the game)>FF7 had Tifa and Aeris (depending on part of the game)>FF8 had Rinoa>FF9 had Garnet>FF10 had Yuna>FF15 had none (unless you count Lunafreya)Yeah, I don't think anyone's as bad as those two. Lightning might be worse than Ashe simply because she had an entire trilogy.
>>722420318What's "bad" about it exactly? Sure, it's not high-brow literature, but it's way better than the convoluted bullshit you see X or VII, for example.
>>722420641Ashe is full-blown (N-word) with her sense of entitlement due to what her ancient descendants had centuries before she was even born. It's so annoying.
>>722420430>Show me how Vaan and Penelo are the only reason why Ashe didn't follow the Occuria's plan.In other words, "play the 40+ hour long game for me and summarize only the parts I'm asking for. I'm not telling you I'll agree with you, just that I'm arguing against you. And while your argument is based around occurances and events and scripts and dialogue in the game, my argument is hypothetical, so I can always hide behind lies!"
>>722420268Vaan influence on her adventure is basically non-existent. It's Ashe's journey (following her ancestor's footsteps, meeting the people directly linked to the invasion of Dalmasca and Nabradia like Basch, Vossler and Reddas, seeing it's effect on her kingdom and subjects in general, etc.) that made her grow and distrust the Occuria and their promises of power.
>>722411152A shame they were mostly jobbers
>>722421210My bad, anon. I presumed that like me you played the game. Play it then, and when you finish you will find me here waiting.
>>722398776you mean make it even more perfect than it actually is? I would rework how hunts work (some rng involved is pretty stupid imo), add couple of fun mini games, put tons of optional side quests with personal/emotional stories to flesh out the main narrative which is kinda meh and the weakest part of the game, add couple of optional end game maps and secret areas/bosses.
>>722421326>Vaan influence on her adventure is basically non-existent.>It's Ashe's journey that made her grow and distrust the Occuria and their promises of power.>(seeing it's effect on her kingdom and subjects in general, etc.)1. Time passing during her "journey" isn't what "made her grow." It was experiences and people and relationships. She even directly meets the Occurians, the most tempting thing about trusting them of any other.2. Vaan is one of the effects "on her kingdom and subjects in general." Direct influence, in fact. He is even seen by the Occurians, early on, as a sort of "back-up" plan if Ashe doesn't cooperate. He sees his dead brother, Reks, in those nethicite ghost forms. But he's even quicker in realizing, and accepting, what life brings than Ashe does. They lose more control over him and faster than her, and even Ashe begins to notice the differences (and similarities) they compare and how the primary manipulation of the obssessed Occurians is causing them frustration; direct hypocrisy to their "truth" and "power."3. Without Vaan, Ashe has no comparison. Basch, Vossler, Reddas, Ondore of Bhujerba... they all completely encourage her to take the godlike-blade, cut the religious nethicite, take enormous magical power from the crysts, and give herself to the Occurians! It's EVERYTHING she (thinks) she wants! What they want! It destroys everyone who disagrees and gives them more. Unlike the heretic Venat and the manufacted nethicite of those non-religious filth! And, it turns out (as she learns from Larsa) that the Archadian Empire isn't what's awful... it's just a few people pulling the strings.
Only thing i would change is the Bazar SystemIts impossible to Craft some of the Endgame stuff without looking up What items to sell onlineWould be great if there was ingame Recipes
>>722422176>Basch, Vossler, Reddas, Ondore of Bhujerba... they all completely encourage her to take the godlike-blade, cut the religious nethicite, take enormous magical power from the crysts, and give herself to the Occurians!Now I'm sure you didn't play the game.
replace vaan with male bangaareplace penelo with female bangaaadd a playable moogle and nu mou idkgive the different races wildly different stats or even different license board optionshaving 5 humes and a viera which is functionally a hume is a catastrophic blunder of an incredible setting.
soulhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkTEEU1RPFI
>>722423284Humanoid races are fine too. Even though I still wonder what's the difference between a helgas and a rev.
>>722422729Basch supports anything Ashe commands. It isn't until the final acts that he kills his brother and becomes Judge Gabranth, now serving Larsa instead of Ashe. Ashe's "desire" for more nethicite power from the Occuria is something Basch fully supports and does not confront.Vossler outright preaches that Ashe should be the next Queen, screams to everyone about how she's the last descendent of King Raithwall, and fully aides in her proving this with Occurian shard proof. He's the resistance leader who fully believes in fate.Reddas is an even louder aid, former Judge, who fights everyone who opposes the idea of fate with the Occurians. He completely helps, even joining the party, to get Ashe to use her new sword to cut a new shard from the Sun-Cryst. He HATES the knowledge he's gained with the Archadian Empire about their creation of manufacted nethicite and fully aligns with the Occuria about getting rid of such vile, heretical magic. It isn't until the final acts of the game that Reddas finally recognizes how he lives in the past about his regrets and aides to destroy the Sun-Cryst; the very deifacted marvel he previously worshipped.Ondore is an asshole political figure who will "remain neutral" and help anyone he possibly can... if he gets a say in helping his own power. It's explicitly noted that he supports using Ashe's situation and nethicite to forcibly created treaties which he authors and defines. Being friends with the Dynast Queen of Ivalice is extremely more appealing than friends with the Queen of Dalmasca (and creating ties with a dozen other countries).Vaan is a perspective both the gamer needs for playing the story and Ashe needs to gain fidelity for Dalmasca (not Occurian beings).The game would change considerably without Vaan's inclusion.You're just baiting me.
How is Zodiark age? It's the only game I bought on the steam sale
>>722423284Lizard hands typed this post
>>722398776Big titty goths
>>722424513
>FFX battle system >Keep Ashe single so she isnt so focused on vengeance and instead on saving her kingdom>Turn Vaan and Penelo into npc animal mascots>Make Balthier the main character and Ashe the love interest.Done
>>722424353Reddas is completely against her using any form of nethicite for anything after he accidentally destroyed Nabudis with it even before she goes to Giruvegan. He and the rest of the party only go with her to the Sun Cryst to ensure she destroys it. It's Gabranth who tries to goad her into using it for her own power. Her own party throughout the game frequently questions her motives and challenges her intentions. Even Basch is hesitant to support her at times. The entire game is you playing as her tard wrangling posse
More dynamic attack animationsSummons are an extra party slot instead of taking 2Costume change with jobs, or visible armor equips
>>722398776Zodiac already made it perfect, i don't want to change anything because that would be changing why i love this game
>>722398776Its literally perfect with struggle for freedom mod
>>722424353 Basch wanted Ashe to take the nethicite only so that nobody could question her lineage as the rightful heir to the throne of Dalmasca, not for power.Vossler wanted the nethicite just to betray Ashe and give it to the Archadian Empire.Reddas (because of his past) is the one who knows best how dangerous nethicite really is. In fact he even sacrifices his own life to destroy the Suncryst and thwart the Occuria's plans once and for all.Ondore, sitting on his comfy chair, just has no idea.You either didn't play it or slept through it.
>>722398776It needs better guns. Not these dumb flintlock musket pistols and shit. Dumb steampunk guns, I hate them. They need to let you use a glock or an uzi or something
>>722398776Make the story not suck fucking cockRewrite all of the characters to be less smug and subduedkeep Van but give him more to doKeep combat roughly the same but force it into more 4niggas in a row pseudo strategy rpg and less set and forget NPC teammatesJudges everywhere with the LAWS or RULES or whatever so they give you yellow cards and red cards and shit.
>>722426634Until they make Balthier either A. More Obi Wan or B. More Swashbucking pirate and less homosexual faggot, it doesn't really matter
>>722398776Zodiac Age Edition except arrange the weapons and armor licenses to make more sense for when they become accessible in game, allow a 4th party member whenever you don't have a guest available, and rebalance the strength of useless techniques and weapon types.
>>722418831>here's a controversial statement>ashe should have been the main characterThat's just common sense, she is the main character for all intents and purposes
>>722400172>Gambit slots are no longer unlocked via the license board; all are available immediatelyThis is a balance thing, if you had all gambit slots programmable from the start the early to mid game would be a fucking breeze since you can have every scenario automatically accounted for
>>722398776Something for the long trek to Archades and Draklor Laboratory.I replayed the game and stopped after Dr. Cid telling me to meet him at the great crystal. Seriously WTF? Does he know how far I traveled to meet him at this tower?The payoff for this whole trek is Cid and Balthier's relationship which means nothing for veterans of the game.
>>72239877610x battle speedup option
>>722403804that's because 99% of the plot is focused on boring political melodrama and your party members largely exist to provide exposition for said melodrama and that's it. they don't really have personalities their own and barely have their own stories.
>>722398776Naked Viera
>>722402105>gameplay: all characters in battle all the times, gambit would be usefulIf you ever played Star Ocean 5, they allowed this and with 6 playable characters + 1 non-playable character it became a mess at times. I feel like 4 is a good size and swapping in your reserves should be able to be done in real time so long as they're not being targeted.
Trim the side-quests to make 100%ing the game take less time, have the armor items appear on the characters and give Fran and Ashe tits 1 to 1.5x the size of their heads. Maybe give every single Vierra giant tits.
>>722403294Job multi-classing is extremely fun and customizable tough.
>>722398776The story doesn't cease to exist after the first third of the game. Customisable outfits for the female party members.
>>722427309"Go travel through 4 locations where shit MIGHT happen at the last one" cycle is a common thing in XII, and it was ported from FFT (but that game handled it much better).
>>722427423This>Vaan: WOWIE ZOWIE WHAT IS THIS>penelo: WOWIE ZOWIE WHAT IS THIS BUT IM A GIRL!>bunnygirl I forget her name: It appears to be an artifact>basch: Art-if-act.....hmph!>balthier: Hm quite, it appears to be a document from George Washington when he crossed the Delaware, this was a big deal and it really chapped the hides of the rival faction of poopoopeepee knights....very interesting.....>Vaan: I AM VON RONSENBERGER!!!!
>>722398776Add conditionals to the Gambit system, fuck the plebs screeching about how this is "muh programming" and give the player full tools to automate properly.The Licence Board is out, after 20 years of bullshit progression systems it's time to go back to the good old days of automatic unlocks on level-up. If you want some build autims you could crimp the skill-tree from Stranger of Paradise but that's as far as I'll go. The dual jobs can stay, also some advanced jobs require two minor jobs to unlock.Drop the whole rebel plotline nicked from Star Wars, the succession crisis can stay with you working your way up from Larsa's lackeys to his own Praetorian Guard but the cunt and the plucky rebels have to go.
A theoretical remake of this game definitely should let you see the armor equipped on the character models.
>>722417610>>722417989>>722419094>>722419920Vaan unironically influences Ashe to not go full dictator. Penelo is useless but it's okay to have a useless character in a JRPG cast.
>>722426634If the guns had the ability to combo like other weapons you'd definitely see more of that.
>>722427309>>722427547My first playthrough way back on the PS2 the trip itself was worth it. I though those were some of the more interesting environments in the game. With hindsight though, there sure was a lot of potential stories there that just went untold or didn't relate to the main plot.
>>722427714>TZAopinion discarded
>>722427518No enemy is designed for the additional power that comes from a second license board. IZJS at least had some changes to monsters and stuff.
>>722428530This doesn't make sense as they're designed for the original game's original license board where every combination of powers was available to every character at once.
>>722428635>This doesn't make senseno him. it does. you are so overpowered in TZA anons consider the game broken
>>722428635There's fare more augment nodes on the revamped license boards.
Maybe next time dont make your rpg fantasy game about political intrigue.
>>722398776Remove Vaan
>>722398776You can't fix what isn't broken.
>>722429304Yes we should make them about orphanage because that worked really well.
FF12 had perfect gameplay (it was basically offline FFXI) and amazing level design and areas and towns and world, i really don't care about story or characters.
>>722429304>political intrigue.retarded meme. there's not real politics in the game. that's like saying LOTR had too much politics. anons are sperging because they couldn't follow the plot with basic english.
>>722423428https://youtu.be/8x-A0qATnjk?si=MjgXaJiuvll3Y5Sahttps://youtu.be/_vWzCda2JPs?si=FEPr9Lz3OFloIc1Hhttps://youtu.be/UHRn4xqty60?si=MARoU6kIHtB4OQiOYou're supposed to be DEAD!
installing fran thick thighs mod and changing nothing else
>>722411540Yummy areolas
>>722427448>Trim the side-quests to make 100%ing the game take less timeZoomers feel compelled to "100%" everything like theyre being paid to do it, then damnd games get circumsized to lessen the workload nobody told them to do
What was the story about again?
>>722432365It was about seeing all the happy couples in the world who arent you
>>722428418TZA still has the Licence Board, I'm saying get rid of that fucker entirely, if you want build autism get something more straightforward like a feat system like in TTRPG's and CRPGS's or get a skill tree like in Stranger of Paradise. Unless you're moaning about dual-jobs then you can bite me, multiclassing is badass and has been a standard for decades. Yes it can be broken, yes most of the time the builds are absolute dogshit and get outperformed by a Fighter wearing caster gear but at least you're having fun trying out all the wacky combinations.
>>722429304what intrigue though? Vaan and Penelo are ostensibly your POV characters and have nothing to do with any of the political stuff. you never have a real, tangible, physical link to any of it other than Vaan's gay older brother who you play as for 5 seconds. the adult characters all spend a lot of time talking about it and how important it is and how political things are happening but at no point does the game put any kind of effort in making it something you should care about beyond "because that's the plot of the game!!!!" which is also really sad because the game has nothing else going for it, any time you think you might get a real human moment featuring these characters to give them some semblance of a personality or stakes in all this it has to pan back over to talk about more of the political melodrama plot that we're told is happening and is told is important but never actually shown is important. it's especially damning comparing it to FFT where it has a similar political plot but you're thrown into it pretty early on, within the first chapter of the game you have a lot of personal stakes and drama that is totally absent from FFXII's dull narrative.
>>722398909>took me 2 minutes to make a better design>ai
>hunt shows up if you bring all the female sInteresting
>>722433202have you played ff6?
>>722431075based
>>722432353>>722432353>"100%"Do you think I didn't mean 100% or something? Is there some lesser degree of completion that I mistook it for?Regardless, virtually none of those hunts do anything for the game but give context for grinding levels. Storied side-quests are okay, but those are a minority.
>>722433324NTA, yes but i didn't really make the connection until you pointed it out because ultros wasn't a slime
Bin it and use the budget to make FFT2
>>722398776You're welcome.
>>722398909>literally took me 2 minutes to make a better design. Make him a amnesiac too so you can have him be this harbinger of doomThis is awful.
>>722435550I'd wager at least a third of the complaints surrounding Vaan would have vanished if he had this design from the start.
>>722435550>>722436481>add more clothes to cover him up more>looks even more like an annoying prettyboy than he did to begin withthe fuck
>>722433624Well I guess the inconsistent transliteration also doesn't help.
>>722398776By not playing it and skipping to the only good FF since IX
I make VS2 and call it FFXII
>>722427632kek
>>722398776Make a completely different gameLiterally everything was fucking dogshit
>>722398776the last FF that still felt somewhat like a FF
>>722399721/thread
>>722403902>For what fucking purposeBecause it's coolI want to live adventure with my party and I mean all of themI hate when they aren't all in the fight
>>722398909>doesn't want a generic faggot>uses ai to "design" the most generic faggot ever
>>722399721>>722440985It fixed the dogshit story and Vaan and Penelo being tacked on?
>>722429304Are you fucking stupid? Many of the classics are about political intrigue. >>722433202>>722433324Is there a reason FF12 had so many connections to the previous games? Aside from being in Ivalice, of course.
>>722441385It doesn't have that many. In fact it's maybe one of the more detached games because it's Ivalice.
>>722431075After giving it some thought, same. What really sticks out for me isn't any particular story moment or character interaction, but rather specific locations/zones, encounters with monsters like the "hidden" bosses and just the overall ability to explore (and sometimes ending up in places where any given mob can wipe your entire party with a sneeze). Don't get me wrong: some of the banter between Balthier and the other cast members is fun, and the whole "Don't listen to Ondore's lies!" is unforgettable, but they aren't the reason I have such fond memories of XII.
>>722398776Ethnic diversity in the main cast. All these fun fantasy races and you get fucking ONE non-human
>>722442123that's probably from a TA2 manual to answer your filename
>>722429304FFT was great
>>722441854>It doesn't have that manyBasically all the espers are not just the FFT bosses, but also references to previous games' bosses like Exdeath, Cloud of Darkness, Zeromus, etc., Gilgamesh shows up with several protagonist weapons from previous games,
>>722403902For fun nigga. Oh wait consoletroons cant run it
>>722398776More enemy variety would have been nice
>>722414410you are unironically gay
>>722398776I love the aesthetic of Ivalice but basically nothing else. Squenix's artists are stuck in a company without writers of game designers who can do their work justice.
>>722403804I remember there is a point where you have to go to bunnygirl's home town and you resolve some of her personal backstory while fleshing out her species a little bit. And doing that I realized it's almost the only side story like that in the entire game when it's like 50% of the writing of FF6 or FF7.
>>722399857Vaan & panelo are so random kids can self insert into the story. How tf do retards not understand this basic thing
People always shit on this but like ffx-2 the gameplay itself is fun but the story is lame
>>722398776I liked the world but not the combat. It just didn't feel like final fantasy to me. Same with all the games they have made since 10. The story feels like a shitty version of starwars. The characters are very bland. The combat is easy to cheese. There was never a moment in the story where I got stuck and had to get significantly more powerful. Everything was just bland and easy. Big world that felt alive but it felt like there was nothing fun to do.
Final fantasy was at it's best during the ps1 era
>>722404084you're a fucking idiot, that's half their appeal
>>722398909>literally took me 2 minutes to make a better designIt took you 2 minutes to type a shitty prompt. BRAVO.
>>722398909can we please ban underage posters already?
Make the soundtrack, characters, and locations not boring as shit. Also give the main cast things to actually do
>>722398776Get rid of Vaan and Penelo
>>722399932So great. It channels John Williams' work on star wars without being derivative.
>>722399932fucking love the OSThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT0fLeBon54
>>722427820>Vaan unironically influences Ashe to not go full dictatorlmao
>>722452608https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2Yha9DI9gohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3t-je2ikkshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhqh_SYadWY
>>722398776No your supposed to say you just started playing and then ask how good the game is like you do every week.Why your so obsessed with this particular ff? You never make threads about the other ones.
