https://youtu.be/wJdEzHLGKQk?si=bSi4lR6n0BNGNdOS>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST USE AI TO CREATE SMALL PORTRAITS, YOU HAVE TO PAY SOME TUMBLERITE TO TRACE ART FROM NAMELESS COPYRIGHT FREE SHIT INSTEAD
>>722400104This, but unironically.
>>722400192/thread
>>722400104Oui oui baguette
The portraits are low effort slop. You could pay a real artist literal peanuts to get something that looked more cohesive with your game. Streum On are simply retards who don't know how to make a good game. E.Y.E was tolerable on accident, Space Hulk and Necromunda were some of the worst games I've ever played.
>>722400104Curse Vishnu by name.
>>722400104>durr why dont people like AI?I'll explain it for your stupid brain. AI leads to an overall decrease in quality of videogame art and writing. It eliminates lower-level positions for newer artists so they can't pursue it as a career and gain the experience necessary to produce greater, more refined works. Retards always say "yeah well it will only eliminate BAD artists duh". Newsflash dumbass, every good artist was a bad artist before getting good because it takes years to get good at art. If you can't pursue work in the field while developing experience then far fewer people will have the means to get good as a professional making assets.
>>722400104>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST USE AI TO CREATE SMALL PORTRAITScorrect
>>722400328They look good though
>>722400461>good
>>722400412>newer artists so they can't pursue it as a career and gain the experience necessary to produce greater, more refined worksOh no, furry artists in shambles... anyway
>>722400351What the fuck is that image? Is that bait? That's the dumbest shit I've ever read. And I even like AI...
It's butthurt artists being very vocal. Like why wasn't there a reaction over all these indie Roguelikes and Roguelites that all crutch on procgen? Procgen is just computer generated content, too. Same shit, no? Rogue is the granddaddy of AIslop.
>>722400532It’s real.
>>722400584What a dumb mother fucker. I'm embarrassed just reading that.
People who complain about AI are like the boomers who trashtalk about INTERNET being not a real thing.
>>722400576Procgen isn’t even what you think it is. And it requires a lot of human oversight to not be abject shit.
>>722400328>You could pay a real artist literal peanutsIt's just a hassle, you have to find the guy, negotiate the fee, make sure the delivery is up to spec, delivered on time, you have no idea if it will actually be good, take care of the invoice, ... It's actually a lot more work to subcontract a small thing like that compared to spending one afternoon doing it with ai.
>>722400503>please please please feed me mediocre slop developed by an algorithm to give CEOs savings they won't pass on to consumersBut enough about your bootlicking.
>>722400328how much is peanuts?
>>722400259Cro... Croissant?
>>722400636The boomers are right
>>722400653>seething SEAmonkey AI haterKEK
anyone who hates AI is a retard. all of your favorite devs already use AI and there's nothing you can do to stop them. and all of the companies you buy from use it too
>>722400461No, they actually do not look good. They even make the bold claim that they've all been curated by their artists, but I see no evidence of this. It looks like every other AI generated image by a non-artist on 4chan.
>>722400675Oh really? Then why do you have internet
>>722400689>m-maybe he's brown just like me...!You wish pajeet. Don't you have a scam call center shift you need to be heading to?
I don't give a shit about AI if it's looks half-decent, give me a good game that's fucking all.
We really need to associate AI with Indians so that any use of and defense of AI gets ridiculedAI is lazy low effort slop and no white man should support it.
>>722400719Should have just said those are placeholders.
>>722400658>Over the past 4 weeks, the global wholesale price of Raw Peanuts generally ranged from $0.63 USD per kg to $1.50 USD per kg, or from $0.29 USD per pound (lb) to $0.68 USD per pound (lb)
>>722400328>Space Hulk and Necromunda were some of the worst games I've ever played.
>>722400653you dont think indies will also use ai? if anything its empowering the little guy to not have to outsource to 50 other people and blow up their costs
>>722400746hello saar im steven from durgasoftblease send gogle geef kart 50 dolarz to fix viruz in your computeer
>>722400647All of these are a problem if you are a new studio who isn't used to working as a business. Streum On have been around since 2007. It's not a valid excuse.>>722400658Literally in the 100's of dollars range. It's not very expensive to commission artists to do smaller scale projects.
>>722400707>every dev uses itIs this going to be a goalpost moving argument about how they use AI to accomplish some incredibly mundane brainless task that nobody was even being paid to do to begin with?
>>722400104kill yourself
>>722400872>It's not very expensive to commission artists to do smaller scale projects.But how do you make sure the artist you commission won't use ai at some poit in the creation process?
>>722400104>SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR THE SLOP IS SO GOOD WHY NO LIKE???????
>>722400872those 100's of dollars are 100's of dollars that they will not be able to spend on other areas of the game, and thats going to build up with every featureand i really wouldnt call hundreds peanuts
>>722400719holy shit, that even looks like AIshit from a year or two ago or some free modelat least use something current or higher quality. fuck get an artist to draw a bunch of shit and train your own model on that. jesusthat's literally slopfucking faggots
>>722400830If some 3-person team with nearly zero resources is using AI alongside their royalty-free asset pool to actually finish a project they have to balance with their real-world job then I couldn't really give a shit.>so you really mean that you hold a different standard for small-scale teams over larger-yes.
>failed artists are in the thread seething over AITOTAL AI VICTORY
>>722400104>retards are offended by AI!>no wait they are just pretending to be offended!Bro just use a png screenshot from the game itself.
>>722400925If it's an actual artist doing it and you can't tell then you should have had a proper artist on board with experience that could sniff out that shit. You get dogshit like the OP portraits when you assume that someone without art experience plugging in prompts will give you something indistinguishable from actual human-made assets, and end up with this >>722400719
>>722400880every dev worth anything uses AI at this point. even if it was just for "mundane tasks", every studio was paying a dev to do that before, and now they don't have to. but it's not just for that, it's for every aspect of developmentyou retards just think AI is some guy typing a prompt into chatgpt and a game coming out. thats now how it works
>>722400104>>722400782INTERNALLY GENERATED ASSETS AND PROGRAMMING IS LITERALLY UNFEASIBLE IN THE HD 4K RT ETC GAMING, TIME-WISE AND MONETARILYIF YOU FUCKING GEN RETARDS DID A BIT OF HOMEWORK TO A TIME BEFORE YOU WERE BORN, THE CEOS OF MS AND SONY WERE ALREADY PREDICTING AT THE LAUNCH OF THE 360 AND PS3 THAT GAME DEVELOPMENT IN THE TRADITIONAL WAY IS NOT SUSTAINABLEIT TAKES TOO MUCH TIME AND COSTS TOO MUCH TO DEVELOP A NEW GAME WITH ALL THE NEW GRAPHICAL FEATURES OF MODERN GAMING, EVEN AT THE 360 GENERATION, LET ALONE 2 GENERATIONS LATEROUT SOURCING WAS THE SAVING GRACE TO MAKE THESE GAMES REMOTELY POSSIBLEIMPROVEMENTS IN GAME DEV TOOLS WERE ANOTHER, YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH EASIER UE3 MADE IT FOR DEVS TO MAKE AND TEST GAMES ON THE FLYAND NOW, WITH EVERY CHARACTER IN A GAME, EVEN RANDOM NPCS THAT WOULD GET DESPAWNED WITHIN A MICROSECOND WHEN THEYE WERE OFF YOUR SCREEN IN GTA3 NEED TO BE PERSISTENTLY PRESENT FOR MILES AWAY AND LOOK PHOTOREALISTIC THANKS TO RT 4K WHATEVER, IT IS SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE TO MAKE THESE GAMES WITHOUT AIAND ONCE AI BECOMES JUST ANOTHER TOOL FOR DEV TO USE, OF COURSE THEY WILL USE IT FOR EVERY KIND OF GAME, NOT JUST THE MOST EXPENSIVEINSTEAD OF SEETHING AT AI IN GAMES, JUDGE THEM FOR THEIR ARTISTIC MERITIT IS JUST A TOOL IN THE SHED, IF YOU WANT TO KEEP USING A FUCKING AXE TO CHOP TREES FOR LUMBER AND BE A REAL LUMBERJACK LIVING IN THE WOODS LIKE WOLVERINE FROM YOUR LATEST SO.YBUSTER, GO BREAK A LEG, MEANWHILE, THE WORLD HAS MOVED ON
>>722401174>you retards just think AI is some guy using prompts to create assetsYou think that's all people think AI is because that's all you read about in terms of backlash. The reason that's all you read about is because that's all people get mad about, because it is visually very obvious when AI is used badly and makes a soulless heap of assets with no direction, which makes a game tangibly worse as an experience.
>>722400707>>722400636>>722400689>>722400830>>722401069SAAAAAAR
>>722401410Just put the fries in the bag
The question is, are you ready to eat a spoonful of lazy shit and pay money for it? Set aside your hatred towards artists and think about yourself for a second.
>>722401263>IT TAKES TOO MUCH TIME AND COSTS TOO MUCH TO DEVELOP A NEW GAME WITH ALL THE NEW GRAPHICAL FEATURES OF MODERN GAMINGSearching for a solution to an artificial problem..There's been diminishing returns since PS3 era.Nobody gives a shit that every NPC in City Skylines can have modeled teeth. Make something that is impressive on a level that isn't polygons or rendering. Oh wait that's harder to do than doubling polygon counts. Better just keep upping the graphics, retards like you will defend it.
>>72240010499% of the artists that are anti-AI love when others lose their jobs to any type of "progress" or "they deserved it" moments, from any industry. Hell when I hear them talking about gaming they only know about devs and artists. It doesn't matter the myriad of other jobs that are involved in the development of a game, fuck the rest, they aren't even real lmao. AI exposed the psychotic shit they sniff on a daily basis, fuck them.
>>722401410Good luck!!!
>>722401552This is pretty much my only reason I hate AI.Corporations use AI not for any kind of potential benefit other than saving money. Yet the prices of their products stay the same. Minimizing effort and therefore quality for the same insane costs. I don't trust it for that reason alone.
>>722401263>the world has moved on>all major publisher slowly die or get sold off to arabs and chinkslollmaoI brings me such great joy to see the entire industry and bootlickers like you suffer endlessly. I can barely put it into words how happy it makes me. continue this path, retard, and entertain me until you die like a worm.
>>722401263And that is why I support the full destruction of hyperrealistic triple A dogshit that is always outsourced to Pajeets.Games were meant to look like GAMES not movies. And supporting globalist slave labor is immoral. If indians want to work on games let them make their own.
>>722400104Don't give a shit about AI placeholders.The worst thing about this game reveal is that it's another fucking roguelike. I expected so much more from these devs. I hope it flops and people finally stop making roguelikes.
>>722401552this technology is not gonna stay at the current level forever
>>722400719I like these three
>>722401614What are you on about? I've never seen any artist making a post about how they are happy that someone lost their job to AI. All I see is jealous ppl shitting on artists along the lines "finally those overrated fucks will have to work at Burger King for the rest of their lives".
>>722400576This. Weeks ago there was a big stink about the first Hollywood star level "AI" getting successful, so every single "talent" in california suddenly shat their pants and started rambling against AI as loud as they can. They expected you, the peasant to get replaced by the AI not them, the "creative" types and it makes them furious how "unjust" it is.>>722400782>>722401552Just a reminder, no amount of asshurt will make the AI go away. Commissions are going away. The grift of being an "online artist" has dried up.
>>722400104Looks like shit
>>722401643>>722401552Most of the people here couldn't even point out incredibly obvious AI vidya stuff, and most of the few that can would shrug their shoulders because they have low standards. These are the same people jacking it to bad 12-fingered soulless porn when there are fucking mountains of lovingly crafted content for any fetish imaginable swimming around for free.>>722401767You'd buy it at this level so why would they improve their models or oversight?
>>722400104>>722400461>>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST USE AI TO CREATE SMALL PORTRAITS, YOU HAVE TO PAY SOME TUMBLERITE TO TRACE ART FROM NAMELESS COPYRIGHT FREE SHIT INSTEADCorrect. Earn your pay. The first E.YE. was ok, a shitty source mod project but it was unique and it had a vision, you are forgetting your roots in favour of mass producing slop. shant buy.
>>722401263>THE WORLD HAS MOVED ONfunny you use tree cutting as a point of comparison, since fancy do-anything machines are nowhere as tenable as hiring a retard and giving him a chainsaw, that ends up being a more cost-effective measurei wonder if outsourcing all thought and effort might not be as viable for publishers as well...
>>722401812You are going to work at burger king for the rest of your life. Should have learned how to weld, bitch.
>>722401883When Sam Altman replaces car mechanics I will for sure
>>722401861because its obviously not the same people developing ai models and developing games, and if you do not have the best model, nobody is gonna buy the use of it, leading to competition and improvement
>>722400412AI is just recycling things that were already made. We already had an issue with this in media before AI, now it will be infinitely worse.
>>722401263>GAME DEVELOPMENT IN THE TRADITIONAL WAY IS NOT SUSTAINABLEsustainable in what way? games are a luxury product. nothing is compelling games to increase production cost and development time.
>>722401263>UE3 was the floodgate for AAA and AA low effort shitstormI always suspected it and hated this engine just for ugly purple-brown lighting. Feels good to be vindicated.
I have anti-AI fatigue
All AI in all its forms should be outlawed
AI mindbroke millenials
im glad that ai is really good at huge soft breasts and women that arent ham planets.
>>722401663>all major publisher slowly die or get sold off to arabs Absolutely fucking based. Video Game crash incoming, those retards are so fucking stupid and so tied up by their shitty fake religion that there is no way they can make a single succesfful game. IE: the new garou, they wasted millions on a failed project This is the crash we all wished for. Its finally happening.
>>722401876harvesting lumber is also hard capped by forest growth speed which is very fucking slow.
>>722401958>assuming a company will go out of their way to pay top dollar for the best models instead of the barest minimum of what will get the job done and sellJust like they went out of their way to find the best writers and coders and artists before AI right? Fucking retard.
>>722401826>Just a reminder, no amount of asshurt will make the AI go away. Commissions are going away. The grift of being an "online artist" has dried up.I don't really care about online artists that much. The problem is that the product becomes lazier and shittier, while the prices still go up. When devs will replace all artists and coders with AI, games will still cost 60$ or more.
>>722401971No its not. You have no idea how AI works.
This game looks like dogshit asset flip slop
>>722401826>"AI will make things worse for us, the consumers.">"AI will happen anyway."I can't help but notice that you aren't denying that it will make things worse for consumers.
No PvP leaves me sorely disappointed here. I know it wasn't very popular in EYE but it was very fun if you got some people together and agreed on level caps beforehand. There are different, interesting builds at the different level brackets.
>>722402131>reddit spacingLmao, of course its the redditor who spergs about AI to defend the heckin little artists rights
>>722402163Your career as an "online artist" is over. I can't help but notice you aren't denying this ;)
>>722400328AI shit is pretty much the death of limitation breeds creativity. If devs couldn't afford something in the past, they'd repurpose existing assets or come up with some other solution that could give the game its own unique charm. From now on it's just going to be "oh yeah, AI gen 10000 2d assets and throw them in there", the ultimate arr rook same in art styles.
>>722402112oh i forgot when concord had 50 billion sales, damn
>>722400958People make this argument like the shuffling of resources away from art people would enjoy will pave the way for making the game better, but every game that uses AI heavily ends up being lazy dogshit. Almost like the use of AI is a symptom of not giving a fuck about the quality, instead of a judicious use of resources to create a fantastic product.
>>722402131 >>722402252>>722402268I care about online artists and artistry in my media. Why wouldn't you? I want things to be good not worse, games are already 70-80 dollars, not going to buy projects that are full with AI.
>>722402272no it was 300 bajillion copies
>disembodied hands simulator ("first-person")
>>722402286>endless artfag asshurt about resources(read:money) not going their way anymoreGood.>>722402317Why would I care about them? Should we abolish cars and railroads to make horse breeders happy again?
>>722400104Sorry, but I'm non-buynary.
>>722402252Going into art as a career was retarded even before AI, I do art as a hobby while I work an actual job. But I still don't see you denying that its widespread use will make videogames worse for the consumer. Are you retarded enough to think that CEOs will replace half their company staff with AI that barely gets the job done to cut out their workforce... and then lower the price of games?
>>722402397Why all artfags keep harping on the price of games? I get them for zero dollars anyway, its completely irrelevant to anyone. Just understand this, your art career is OVER.
>>722400104Do you not see the ironic in bitching about a computer generated image of a 'daemon' that operates inside of your device (weapon) to do automatic tasks like explode on contact or freeze things?
Do you think the local neural network warrior is a useful idiot or a dedicated shill? He's real vehement about it too, to the point of it all seeming like a falseflag, so it could be just (you) starvation. Drumming up the attention for the game in OP maybe? Outrage economy is real crazy these days.
>>722402317then help them find a new job.
>>722402472>he thinks it's just the price that would be the issueJust tell me, would a videogame with these>>722401791be acceptable for you to spend your time on playing? Simple yes or no.
>>722402520Okay, where?
>>722402472But how would you feel if you hadn't had breakfast?
>>722402585>>722402472You are not getting paid anymore. Your career is OVER. No amount of whining online will change that.
>>722402520Why would I want them to go to a different job if the AI that replaces them leads to worse games for me?
>>722400104I don't see any small portraits in your pic OP, why can't you make a normal thread talking about it instead of ragebaiting like a nigger?
>>722402602they can run on a hamster wheel to generate electricity.
>>722400461nta but necromunda does not look good from any angleit's bland, brown, and ugly
>>722402472>Just understand this, your art career is OVER.Explain why there's a surge in people interested in art then , it´s almost like most people are moving away from AI. If zoomtards want to shoot their future in the foot so be it, still supporting artists and not buying AI garbage.
>>722402520Walmart is hiring ;)
>>722400104when you buy a game you pay for all the effort that went into itwhen ur game has AI art there was no effort on the developers part which is pretty fucking evil!
these threads are really amusing because you can see how many people have zero life experience, zero professional experience, and an unending propensity to create strawmen
>>722402647I'm just asking, since you are very on-board with AI. Do those pictures look sufficient for you to spend your time on a game? You don't look like you want to answer that question, so I'm guessing that's a "no". You can correct me on that if you do think those are up to your standard. Then pretend I'm a career online artist or whatever you thought up.
>>722402709 >tumblrspeak>pure delusion>wishful thinking>detachment from reality>begging for money and attentionChances are, this one is a tranny.
>>722402212Sorry anon, I don't understand your terminally online language
>>722402671you arent serious about game quality. if you were, ai art would be the very least of your concerns.
>>722402797Your career is OVER. No amount of whining online will change that.
>>722402585>be acceptable for you to spend your time on playing? Simple yes or no.Those three that I pointed out? Yes. Don't see any issue. People use AI for code writing but with drawing it's somehow immoral when in both cases we're talking about human labour being replaced. And from that point we can discuss automation of labour and technical progress in general.https://stacker.com/stories/careers/50-jobs-no-longer-exist
>>722400192this
>>722400192tranny
>>722402798Sorry you filthy mentally ill Arab, i live by my own merits and i support the hobbies that i want to support and art/video games is one of them Its that simple. Not buying a single game from EA now that it's on the hand of you filthy street shitter indians. My money. My rules.
>>722402798this one is definitely a kuta
>>722402845Yeah, that's a "no". Concession accepted.>>722402849You have very low standards but at least you were honest enough to cop to it, I can respect that.
>>722402943you could have just said that you are a tranny it'd save everyone's time
>>722402709>Explain why there's a surge in people interested in art then>source: my axewound
>>722402943thisit has ai generated crap?I not gonna buy, rent it, not even gonna pirate
so it's darktide but with worse melee combat?why wouldn't I just play darktide?
>>722402943>pure troon rageYup, called it.
>>722402943you were buying ea shit beforehand?...
>>722402709
>>722402997Your career is OVER. No amount of whining online will change that. You are not in an argument
you niggas love feeding the trolls huh
>>722401263*single dude in his basement makes 100x more fun game than big corpos and indian slave workers*Ok now what?
>>722402838>if you were, the most visually apparent and in-your-face aspect of the game as a wider piece of art would be the very least of your concernsVery retarded take.
I joined the ai slop club a long time ago
>>722403152yeah you dont play video games.
>>722402849>You have very low standardsIt's not for you to decide or judge. You asked a very vague question nuances and specifics of which exist only in your head and you got a vague answer.We didn't discuss the price, quauntity or role of such content in a game I'm hypothetically paying for. Nor did we compare the quality of hypothethical human made replacement to AI generated content for the same price and cost on a developers side.
>>722400461Welcome back to 2009.
>>722402585>be acceptable for you to spend your time on playingSaar, I redeemed your fiverr artist career. My gpu costs more than 10 of your villages combined.
>>722403092>You are not in an argumentNot anymore no, you lost that argument when you tacitly admitted that you wouldn't play games with AI assets. You argue for worse games and then say that you won't even play them so you lose from the start, I'm just dogwalking you at this point. Have a nice day.
>>722403227>>722402997
is this going to release in a broken, buggy state and get abandoned in <6 months like every other game by these devs
They outsource that shit to third worlders on fiverr anyway might as well generate it yourself
>>722403227>It's not for you to decide or judge.It 100% is for me to decide if I think you have low standards, which you do. I would not waste my time with such slop, but if you would then that's your choice. I'm not even talking about money, but my time. If you'd pay for it to boot then I'm sorry for you.
>>722400104Some people may see AI is efficient for work flow, I see it as a worse crime than asset flipping. It surpasses asset flipping if that were even possible. If you lack the talent to do make your assets and to hire an artist that's fine, but I'm also not buying your game. I don't care that I'm hurting your feelings when I call the game you're working on a piece of shit however. Deal with it. You're not getting my money. I expect you to make your own assets and art, if you can't then don't be a game developer. The really creative people can do multiple things, you lack the talent. Maybe you should accept that you're just an untalented person and go kill yourself.
>>722400104>why should i pay for an artist?because these look so fucking bad
>>722400104a very small number of people complain, they are just very active and so seem like a lot. welcome to the internet
>>722401263>MUH TOOL IN A SHED!!You are so fucking clueless.If AI is just a tool, then it is blatantly stealing from human artists. It is not "learning" because a tool cannot learn.Now if your argument is that an AI is capable of learning to the same effect of a human brain, then it is not a tool. It is a "human" and thus needs to be credited as the artist of the work. A solo artist cannot take credit for a work if it made by this "AI brain". In fact the human that used the AI should not be credited AT ALL in the work.This is of course all pure fantasy. AI is not a human brain. It's just a bunch of tokens holding information and using that information at the right time.What is even the point of life if we ignore human expression and art like this and just create nothing but soulless slop?
>>722400104>What're destiny's benefits?
>>722400636Worse than boomers. White collar fags who are afraid they'll have to get off their asses and work a physically taxing blue collar job in the future.AI revolution can't come soon enough.
>>722403410Same, but if art is drawn using a drawing tablet.You're not a real artist if you use software to cheat
>>722403219I've been playing since NES and unlike you, art style and direction matter to me. The quality of the art and art direction is not and never will be the least of my concerns.
>>722403410>multi-line madpost paragraph>Deal with it.Every time
>>722403441This.
>>722401826>Online artist means we need to accept slopHoly fuck you can't make it any more obvious you're a soulless brownoid.
>>722403239Your career is OVER. No amount of whining online will change that. You are not in an argument
>>722403429Show something hand drawn that looks better
>>722403536Make your own assets if you can't pay an artist. That's the way I see it. I'm not buying your lazy crap mate. I have a good eye for lazy AI shit so if I'm ever tricked into supporting your lazy jeet work snuck into the game then I will refund it pronto.
>>722400104>attributs
>>722403564Online artist means you don't have a job anymore. Go and flip burgers somewhere.>>722403631No one is going to pay you anymore. Your grift is over.
>>722403631Not my problem madboy
>>722400104>nowBozo, I hate this shit from day one. All I use and especially all art I consuum must be designed and created by other humans and contain sovl in different degrees for my own soul to grow and prosper. Or I will eventually degrade to fucking sloppa-eating monkey like you and this is disgusting.
>>722403531what a joke. if you were serious, the final straw would have been drawn long ago. this isnt about games to you at all.
>>722403631Why on earth we would give a shit?
>>722403605https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf_XSv8ex9ANot that anon but in terms of ugly monsters this guy does really cool creatures just by spitballing it and using intuition. He hand draws things out of scribbles and it looks 1000x better than the stuff in those AI pics.
>>722403657>t.
it just looks like a shitty boring version of VT2 Chaos Wastes
imo if you don't believe in your product enough to spend a bit extra on a good artist it's probably not a good product.Its not a>I don't believe in AI thing, it's a>You clearly don't value your own work, why would I value it?
>>722402709>muh studio ghibli>muh jeetsDo antis have any rational arguments besides shitposting and schizo posting? The ghibli gpt image trend is literally a dead meme from 6 months ago lmao.
>>722403732You're wrong but either way AI still makes games look worse, doesn't it? You just have a stick up your ass about things you care about that aren't art style and direction. Good for you, I'm not a tasteless fuck.
>Say AIshit looks bad and that I don't want it in my vidya>YOU ARE A SEETHING TROON ARTIST LUDDITE YOU ARE UNEMPLOYED NOW, AI IS THE FUTURE YOU ARE NOTHING, ITS ONLY GETTING BETTER REEEEEEEEEEEAre you falseflagging or what? What is this bullshit?
>>722403768UE5 barely even needs coding outside of baby tier scripts. jeets are so fucking stupid its actually unreal.
>>722402838What should be our main concern then wiseguy?
>>722403807At this point I'd rather spend extra on an AI game to ensure no "artist" got paid.
>>722403839Who are you quoting THOUGH
>>722403367And now you're just sniffing your own farts in refusing to address what was said. My presence is not required for this. Have fun.
>>722400104In general if I can detect AI usage that means the author used it for other shit too like dialogues or code
>>722403839There is no real response to pointing out how AI making games look worse for no other good tradeoff for the consumer, so they will not address that question at all costs. See how they twist their spines into pretzels to change the subject instead of just owning up to how that is something that sucks about AI. See how the person who replied to you couldn't do it either.
AI image generation is good actually.For me, anyway.
>>722400104This game looks like boring Chinese shit you’d see 100 of on the google play store.If you can’t put effort into your game, why should I put effort into giving a shit about it? I care more about some ASCII game than stuff like this.
>>722400412Anon, you are the tard if you believe people in general put any thought into this. They hate AI because their e-celeb told them it was bad. That is all.
>>722403605aislop generic screaming demon monsters can't beat human creativity
>>722403807Coding is fun. I don't want to pay anyone to do it because it's mine to do myself.Writing is fun. I don't want to pay anyone to do it because it's mine to do myself.Drawing and animating is NOT fun. However, I still don't want to pay anyone to do it because I only like it when the number in the bank account goes up instead of down.Simple as.
>>722400719The paradox of image gen is that the more detailed and complex the image you try to generate, the sloppier it looks.But if you aim for a simple style it'll generally look way more human-made and flawless. However I realize that kinda defeats the purpose though, if you're generating very simple art.It's a bit like how indie dev artists always use pixel art to make something decent. When working with low resolution it's a lot easier for it to look flawless for what it is.
>>722403867Look at all these tards instantly seething the moment someone says it looks bad or that they won't buy it. Nothing but utterly retarded mongoloids insulting anyone that doesn't wants this. Personally I don't want this garbage in my videogames either so I must be some buttmad furry troon artist too according to these subhumans. If I knew better I'd say they are falseflagging to make AIsloppers look bad, but I know they are legit. The retardation runs too deep by now>>722403092>>722403014>>722403048>>722402252
>>722403836>>722403862you are on the wrong board.
>>722403909If a game has bad visuals I won't play it. If a game has bad gameplay then I also won't play it. Those are bad visuals to me and it's clear that anyone who finds them acceptable has low standards, especially if they are willing to pay for it jesus christ. What is unaddressed? If a human-made product looked like that then I would also find it unacceptable.
>>722404061Answer the question. What matters the most for game quality according to you?
>>722404034That image is using the same process as AI, bashing different concepts into a new hybrid.
>>722403942Tbh the funniest shit, this is the actual reason they are crying about the most. Porn commissions from furry neets used to be an absurdly MASSIVE market, with up to hundreds of dollars for a picture that you could just trace from a library and quickly chop out in an afternoon. It was literally free money, but now any gooner can generate hundreds of pictures, tailored to their exact degenerate tastes so the market has crashed completely. The artroons absolute HATE this and keep throwing tantrums about it, thinking they can somehow make the AI go away.
>>722404038>The paradox of image gen is that the more detailed and complex the image you try to generate, the sloppier it looks.Because models can't into detail yet but sloppers don't realize that.
>>722404061Sometimes I feel that way because this is often not a good place for people who play and enjoy things about videogames. You don't play games and just vaguely bitch so this board is perfect for you, however.
>>722404109and yet all ai creates is screaming demon dudes with pointy teeth
I don't give a fuck about your Ai boogeyman, is the game fun to play? Is the moment to moment gameplay fun? The game seems to essentially be Gunfire Reborn but with edge.
>>722404035>Drawing and animating is NOT fun"I don't like these things so no one does">I only like it when the number in the bank account goes up instead of down.Why would I, the consumer, care about the money you make?I'm not against these practices, I'm just saying how they come across to me.
>>722400673non non non...le pain au chocolat
>>722400104Likely because we are past the point of stopping it. Be this tech get better at it's job or worse, this is proof "AI" is the future and that here in a few years like the printing press did to manuscripting amanuensis you will just see a lot of jobs and work gone that the masses will never notice or care.
>>722404038>>722404072Your career is OVER. No amount of whining online will change that. You are not in an argument
>>722400719Literally nothing wrong with them and you couldn't explain what's wrong with them without vague buzzwords
>>722401876Incorrect. Feller bunchers exist anon.
>use AI to generate stuff>trace over it afterwards in your image manipulator of choice
>>722404169Not sure why you quoted me: >>722404038I'm very pro-ai, however you have to recognize its limitations. If you want to use it well right now, then you should use simple styles, there's lots of loras to do so.
does anyone actually like AI besides facebook boomers and random indians on twitter?
>>722404038>However I realize that kinda defeats the purpose though, if you're generating very simple artNo for business and advertisers. Simple is king.
>>722402143How is it not creating algorithms out of source material it uses (ignoring copyright) and spitting something out?Whatever prompt you put in is just making it use references from the web. How is this AI supposedly imagining or creating anything?
>>722404109A human is showing something that he wants to express. It's not the same process at all.
>>722404221I'm jacking to AI right this very second in my ComfyUI window
>>722404128More than one group of people can hate AI for different reasons in different implementations, but it's easier to just be dishonest and pretend that anyone who maligns how videogames are getting worse for customers is just a furry porn artist.
>>722403164Idk why but AI porn sucks so bad, even really ugly art makes me coom more
You can cry and beg and whine all you want the truth is: you will never be an artist. Your computer generated trash is generic, boring and completely devoid of soul. The only niggers you can fool with it are gooners whose standard sunk so low they literally jack off to cock vore drawn by 12 year olds
>>722402927Pajeet
>>722404282IS THAT A
>>722402397The thing about being a consooooomer is that you already gave up your vote. The rest of can choose to simply not pay for shit that doesn't meet our standards.
>>722404101
>>722404267please refer to >>722404282
>>722404157>"I don't like these things so no one does"In a similar vein why would I, the programmer, care what artists find fun?>I'm just saying how they come across to me.That's your prerogative to discard my opinion, same as it's mine to discard yoursI just thought you should know that your blanket opinion doesn't always accurately represent the situation
>>722404221It's great for rough concept art and spitballing ideas.
>>722402624I didn't eat anything the last two days. I feel better than when I'm digesting carbs.
I want more AIArtfags are parasites
>>722404214Nobody tell this guy about inpainting, I think it might blow his mind
>>722404214Just wait until we see more developers have the staff and friends be voice actors by feeding their voice recordings into a resemble AI app that then creates the lines they want in the pitches and tones they want and they can take all the credit to cut out VAs costs in half or greater. We already know most Youtube influences are having their ad reads done by these voice apps that sound like them.
>tfw A thread full of seething patreon commissioning artists. You are an absolute cuck if your paying +$80 a for art commission in the year 2025.
>>722404312You're conflating the general use of the term consumer(someone who consumes a product or good in some way) with the meme(someone who consuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumes and must buy buy buy the product because it is their identity and all they have in their life).
>>722404276it's the faces.AI still can't do attractive faces and at this stage I doubt any model will ever be able to, AIsloppers have had their tastes forever ruined so they spam their gross shit everywhere not realizing how nasty it looks.
You absoultely can get good gens from procgen.The issue? The best gens need lots of second level work. Touching up the flaws in photoshop, inpainting, loras/controlnets, and additional passes. This shit takes time. Lots of it. Plenty of enthusiasts in the space make great AI art. Porn and non-porn.The real issue lies in the fact that 99% of projects using AI are made by the same people too lazy to do real work and do none of the above, resulting in very obvious generated assets that look bad and instantly recognizable as slop.There WILL be games in the future that come out, where the AI assets are created with a custom trained style finetune, where the people in charge of them properly retouch and post-process them just like real art-assets for anything else would be, and they will look great and very hard to distinguish from human art. There is still a ton of development workflow optimization to be gained from this. It could also be a really cost effective way of reigniting 2d/sprite games that have mostly gone the way of the dodo just from the fact that it takes so long for humans to hand-draw tens of thousands of frames.We're just not there though. It'd take someone with dedication and good project planning/work ethic, and generally NONE of those things apply to the brainless grifters trying to hawk AI forward projects right now.
>>722404256Holy shit, troons keep proving how they have no idea how the generating algorithm actually works.>>722404270Keep whining about how your grift is gone, you are not fooling anyone. It was an idiotic attempt to begin with.>>722404282Troon meltdown begins now.
>>722404276idk sounds kike you're retarded
>>722404352If you can’t put effort into your game’s presentation, why should I give it the benefit of the doubt that you put the effort into the actual programming? If you’re using AI for art because you’re cheap and lazy, why shouldn't I assume you are just coding half the game with AI as well and it won’t be a bug filled mess?
>>722400104Why did they even use AI art if they already have really good artists on board?
>>722404391God forbid someone wants to make a living out of their passion. Just because you have to work in a factory because you are a low iq lazy nigger who didn't do anything with his life that means others should suffer as well. It's okay for musicians to make money off of their passion. It's okay for writers. It's okay for programmers. But it's not okay for artists they are "parasites" for not working for you for free.
>>722404352>In a similar vein why would I, the programmer, care what artists find fun?What?How does that relate at all? It's not you job as the coder?>That's your prerogative to discard my opinionThese are totally different statements though.I'm the consumerYour job is to sell to meMy job isn't to give you an easy workloadIf you're great plan is just>Don't like it don't buy itthen I won't but don't start crying asking why I won't buy it after I gave you a reason
>>722404449You don't realize how much skill and creativity actually goes into making good AI art.AI is smart, not lazy.
>>722404421Some people are just deranged and pay for ai slop, lots of patreons doing $1000+ a month with some very easy xyz prompt from an excel
>>722404214Gz, you're now using AI as a tool like you should.You're officially smarter than jeets, /v/dditors and plebbit
>>722400719>>722400461mwwaaaah the french...
>>722404221"People" seem to really enjoy the fact its putting people out of work and they think giving any retard the tool to make something is a good idea despite the fact they likely already complain heavily about whats already being made.My problem isnt woth the process of AI generation anymore- Ive seen what /v/ puts out in AI threads. Its incredibly fucking boring and generic. I dont want to play anything made primarily with AI because it requires literally zero real thought or effort, just random words that sound good.
>>722404468Art is a hobby. Not a career. I don't give a rats ass if you cannot make a living out of it.
>>722404490If it was good then we wouldn't be having this conversation because nobody would notice. Try again.
>>722404490this is not good ai art though>>722403429
I liked the Void War portraits which I am 99% sure are AI.
>>722404459Costs. You have to pay for the work. You know how stores and restaurants have touch pad kiosks to reduce how many cashiers they need? Or online apps that reduce the amount of hours needed of said workers to be their? Same idea here, that artist wants to be paid for the work. They can be charged for less work. Actually>>722404168 sums it up better, the whole reason they use printing press rather than have beautiful handwriting done by a scribe is because that scribe has to be paid a whole lot more for every book written.
>>722404529Art is a hobby and a career. I will make money out of it and you will seethe.
>>722404529factory work is a hobby. you should do it for free
>>722404524>/v/ AI threads are fucking boring and genericThat's because people who care about art are just learning art because they give a shit. If you don't give a shit and you're lazy then you just prompt instead. AI can make good things but it self-selects for lazy people who don't want to put in the effort because people who care enough to put in the effort just learn art.
>>722404449>If you can’t put effort into your game’s presentation, why should I give it the benefit of the doubt that you put the effort into the actual programming?Not all AI image generation is MSpaint tier, it is possible to put in effort and get good results>If you’re using AI for art because you’re cheap and lazy, why shouldn't I assume you are just coding half the game with AI as well and it won’t be a bug filled mess?Probably because of the reason I already said where I actually like coding and writing and do not like drawing?Or if you're talking from the same purely consumer perspective as >>722404469, no reason except your paranoia I suppose>>722404469>I'm the consumer>Your job is to sell to meYou're some guy I don't know on anonymous imageboard, you're not my problem when I don't have a product for sale in the first place
>>722404168>you will just see a lot of jobs and work gone that the masses will never notice or care.It's way worse than what the jeet seething about getting his coms denied, Its going to hit a bunch of industries and jobs. We don't really need to stop it because people don't value it, at all. Companies are now forcing the workers to include AI into the workflow. But hey nevermind the things that AI actually promised to help with Robotics, Health, Aerodynamics, fuck that we need to make video games shitter than ever.>>722404276It just loses it's glamour after a year or two. Same poses, same models, same everything. It just slaps proportions into the same shitty model. A lot of artists are retired, wonder if it has anything to do with AI. Shit sucks. Paint the world brown
>>722404221It doesn't matter. It's already everywhere. No stopping it.
>>722400104brown thread, do the needful
>>722404627>I will make money out of it
>>722404426No. I made the distinction quite clear.
>>722404169>If I keep repeating something over and over again like a mouthbreathing retard, I'm winning!!KEK cope & seethe brownoid.
>>722404468>God forbid someone wants to make a living out of their passion.When they are demanding the rules of how everyone else should live so they can make money? Yeah fuck them. It's the same energy as some billionaire getting mad he can't exploit people for his own profits.
All you have to do is deny it, make them prove it. Then if they do prove it just say your wife is the artist, and they are being incels.
>>722404607Doesn't Streumon have in-studio artists that get paid a monthly wage? IIRC pretty much most of the art for E.Y.E and Hired Gun were made in-studio, I think E.Y.E has some assets from Half-Life 2 because it's a Source game.
>>722404468SUFFAH WHITE COLLAR FAG SUFFAHFunniest thing is you got replaced by your own kind and not us trade school kings.
>>722404558HOLY SLOP
Something about AI faces look ugly, I can't put my finger on it.I can't fap to this shit man and if this is going to be the future then my cock will be very sad.
>>722400412>It eliminates lower-level positions for newer artists so they can't pursue it as a career but thats a good thing. go back to bluesky to cry about it, tranny
>>722400104Looks great. Fuck retards crying about ai demon portraits.
>>722403985Imagine doing the same thing you called him retarded for.
>>722404524>Ive seen what /v/ puts out in AI threads.The first dall-e threads were full of fun shit before it devolved into an unironic general that the mods outright protect and refuse to prune for some ungodly reasonIt ain't fair to lump all creation from a tool under the umbrella of /vg/-lite autists and you know it
>>722404717What rules are they demanding I'm genuinely curious. I have no idea what you could mean by that.
>>722404694What's the problem? I don't mind AI, it's just another tool. I will use to my advantage just like everything else, to make work faster, easier and more profitable.
>>722404627>>722404638Its not a career. No amount of luddite coping, seething and crying about the AI will make it viable ever again.>>722404709Your career is OVER. No amount of whining online will change that. You are not in an argument
>>722404773That thread literally is the most comfy thread on /v/.Keep crying about AI I guess.
This is the most generic created shit I've seen so far. Can't miss the plastic UE feel to everything made.
>>722404221It's fucking great, sadly it's misused hard and also works really well as propaganda tool like on this site for example
>>722404558>photobashed sw and warhammer shartI hope he gets sued. You guys think you hate artists? I hate AIsloppers more, i hope he ends up living in the streets doing crack and sucking tranny dick
>>722404529the only reason you are posting on a video game board is because this isn't trueMald and seethe and cry about "creatives" all you want, but every book, film, video game, board game, all of it was made by people who saw value in creative pursuits. People hate AI because they know that the endgame is the removal of artists from all creative processes by corporate suits. Industry heads worked hard to convince you that art is woke, and therefore artists are woke, and therefore all creatives are woke, and therefore destroying them via AI is good. In truth, the only thing that will happen is>enshittification of every medium far beyond how fucked they already are>low effort slop becoming acceptable as industry standard>everything will be worse with zero benefitThey're already pushing "the AI bubble is bursting" stuff in the news because the gold rush is over and the only retards still clinging to it are contrarians or bugmen who need to feel like they're ahead of the curve. So yes, some of the "anti-AI" 500 pound tumblrina people are fucking insufferable, but if you're so far gone that you would suck corporate cock just to BTFO a made up faggot in your head-you're beyond saving,
>>722400104>using strength twiceYikes
>>722404746It's not a good thing because there will be fewer people who can survive developing the skill seriously as a full-time job so they can get to the point of being very good and being worth having AI train on it. If you want AI gens to be better then that is bad. You seem to forget that AI needs to train off real people with developed skills and styles.
>>722404649Yeah but its these same people baying for the blood of anyone who has learned anything creative and telling them theyre being shoved out of the world because Pablo can now make his own full game about a medieval white man who has sex with alot of creatures.Even thinking ahead very slightly, i dont think 1000 videogames about a white man in medieval times having sex with alot of creatures is a valid reason to so vehemently support such a shit turn of events in terms of human creativity
>>722404849AI doesn't need artists.Artists can go fuck off and die.Worthless fucking trash.
>>722404891Then it will just train on itself, which does not go well.
>>722404793>Keep crying about AI I guess.The buffoon is getting itself all flummoxed, I literally posted an AI image I liked in that very post you quotedMy beef is with the minimal-effort autists in that general who get a free pass to infest /v/ with their circlejerk for some reason instead of being rightly banished to /vg/It's like the pokemon generals on /vp/ all over again, but even worse because on top of being off-topic, they're also shit
>>722404891>AI doesn't need artists.does he know?
>>722404658The "AI" isn't AI, hence why it can't help in those other fields. It's just advance programs being used that are having impacts in the market. Normally their be a flip to where the workers could go such as when certain techs went away from tubes and into microchips, however much like how machine automation and the auto industry their is just no need for the amount with said skills so they just go unemployed. Which is why so many are cheering this. It has nothing to do with the crisis so much as it's not until the privileged finally feel the pain of what blue collar workers have felt for 45 that they start crying about lost jobs.
>>722400104Its okay to use AI as long as you mention what its used for. Instead of portraits that don't match the 3D model why not just use what Dragon Age Origins did? Take a snap shot of the character's head.
>>722404791>Its not a career. No amount of luddite coping, seething and crying about the AI will make it viable ever again.Robots already killed a lot of factory jobs, AI and better robots will kill even more. Then 3D printing will become viable and whoever's left will be fired. Tick tock proletariat.
>>722404830>that the endgame is the removal of artists from all creative processes by corporate suits.Good. Good. Your histrionic tranny behavior just keeps proving how much of a good decision that is. No one is sympathizing with you,
>>722404421plastic-looking ass garbage, holy shit this is awful
>>722404318lol you're a pussy
>massive increase in indians using the internet>sudden, inexplicable boost in AI apologistsI know what you are, you curry huffing fucking animals. I will never accept your churned out slop as normal. POO IN LOO
Fact is games need lot of minor graphic assets that you look at for 2 seconds, being able to get it out of the way gives devs more time for actual creative work
>>722404439>Reddit spacing, no facts, just memewordsSad.
>>722404830>the only reason you are posting on a video game board is because this isn't true That's extremely well said, Even coders like Carmack were pretty...artistic with the way the did things.
>>722404830i dont care how you create.
>>722404723Negotiations happen and set the pay. It's not we'll pay you 2k a month now go make what you'd see as 4k levels of work. They have to agree on what is expected and the pay for said work.
>>722404830You are arguing with people thinking they care about the art being good, when all they really care about is artists suffering for some reason. These are not people who want AI to be good, they are bitter and want people to get rekt.
>>722404773Im lumping the general output of the tool into something to be commented on. I already said i dont have problem with the method of generation. I just never ever want to really see it if its going to be that shit.Im not trawling through hundreds of generic images that took 4 seconds to generate to find something good.
>>722404909>>722404926It literally doesn't anymore, kill yourself you are literally worthless now.>>722404961The people who like and use AI are white people, nice try though, hating AI outs you as brown.
>>722404891Did an artfag cuck you in high school or what. I find sloppers pathetic and that they make every single thing they touch worse, be it videogames, youtube, books, art, etc. but I don't feel this level of disdain.
>>722404789Many artists demand people to boycott games for using AI. They want laws that prevent it's use.
>>722400104>Roguelike>AII mean these guys take all the easy routes when it comes to gameplay development, its no surprise they would choose AI for their project as well. I will cut them some slack since they sound indie, but this game looks boring as fuck
>>722404830(you)
It's always nice to see these malding anti-AI retards chimping out like crazy over AI taking over everything. YOU WILL BE JOBLESS AND YOU WILL LIKE IT.
>>722404830>if you're so far gone that you would suck corporate cock just to BTFO a made up faggot in your head-you're beyond savingthe fact that there are millions of people who WOULD is insane
>>722404830Artists ARE woke and AI is cancer to them, which is based. total leftoid death
>>722405068I love itthese art trannies provide nothing for the society
>>722405005You will never EVER shake the association between jeets and AI no matter how hard you try
>>722404276Unironically, the soul. When you look at an AI piece, all you see is a flat image. Sure, it may look proficient, even good at times, but the more you look into it you'll just start seeing an amalgam without any intent or passion to it. On the contrary, when looking at even primitive man-made erotica, your brain will pick up on subtle nuances behind the lines. The way a cock is placed, the curvature between the hips and belly, the steam emanating from a hairy armpit, the sultry look of desire behind the eyes. The hand that drew those lines also strokes the cock, and you can feel that desire imprinted onto the image. The coomer's touch.
>>722405068That's what's interesting is no amount of crying or protesting is going to stop this tech. They needed to worry about this when PCs stop being a luxury and work tool and landed in everyone's' hands.
>>722405005You can look this up anon, google what happens when AI trains on itself or on ai-generated images.
>>722404935Yes. Automatization is fucking based and its the foundation of civilization. Do not use a car and wear only handspun clothes if you disagree.The thing is, all those smug "creative" types thought THEY are going to be the irreplaceable new master race, the new elite lording over all the little people and kept yukking at people when factories were closing down. And now when THEY are getting replaced, the journos, the artists, the writers of gay shit by computers, suddenly its a travesty and something must be done to preserve their income and social positions. Won't someone think of the heckin little artistineros?
>>722401263"Artisitc merit" Counter point, suck my ass and stop making games try and match boring ass real life. learn to stylize or fuck off mr movie man.
>>722405068post hand visajeet
>>722405068What is your job going to be and will you be happy or is this where we admit youre dangerously mentally ill and only want people to suffer
>>722404935>better robots will kill even more. Then 3D printing will become viable and whoever's left will be fired. Tick tock proletariat.Robotics won't be good enough for complex trade jobs in any of our lifetimes.
>>722404830>contrarians or bugmen who need to feel like they're ahead of the curveThe abundance of (you)s suggests you might be onto something, (((jeremus)))
>>722404038Pathetic cope
>>722404649Art is pretty much human expression and trying to automate that feels really bad, especially with all the downsides. People generally appreciate art also because of the reasonable effort that's put into it, which I think is the main difference over whether someone considers AI art to be better or not. Someone who cares about the effort that's put into it probably won't like AI because it's effortless and likely considers the effort to indicate passion and dedication, and on the other hand someone who doesn't care about the effort will probably like AI because it can allow outputting art at a faster rate.
>>722405131>Unironically, the [BUZZWORD].
>>722405068>NOOO YOU BLOODY BASTARD AI IS GOOD SIR>BLOODY FUCKING BASTARD>FUCK YOU BLOODY ANTI-AI RACIST>YOU ARE A RACIST>SAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
>>722404990The best users of AI are people who are skilled enough to create without AI. AIfags can scam a quick buck by selling slop but nobody is going to praise and adore AIfags like they imagine
>>722400104>nowGo take the poo to the loo
you don't belong on 4chan and you're brown if you hate AI.
>>722405152>>722405210Now post yours, fucking monkeys.>>722405154Easy solution to jobless people : global income. It's inevitable.
>>722405005>The people who like and use AI are white peopleThat would be jeets, clueless anon. They worship AI because they think it can fully compensate for their lack of taste and knowledge. White men see it only as a tool, and use it a bit more properly since they have the required knowledge to manage the generated results.
>>722405216>praise and adoreSo that's your motivation. Tells me everything I need to know about your narcissistic ass.
>>722405186that looks fucking disqusting you pajeet fag
>>722405285>global incomeNot going happen. AI exists to cut costs and hire less people. Fucking Retard.
>>722405285Brown hair. nice try Juden.
>>722400104>nowJust because you noticed it finally doesn't mean haven't been complaining all along.
>>722405285>jew handTHE ARABIC JEET
>>722405319It’s observation lmao
>>722405195bringing up effort is a slippery slope. digital artists are a big leap from guys in ancienct greece making statues. maybe thats why i dont care about whether or not ai threatens them.
>>722404221Why not check out ai diffusion threads on other boards and see for yourself?
The moment I knew AI was a failure is when all the coomer art porn sites started banning AI and instructing users to go to a different site specifically for AI. People don't want it.
>>722405125is that why most of 4chan is assumed to be ESLs from India?
>>722404490Irrelevant since 99% of the time it’s just mass produced Jeet garbage
>>722402252Why is this important to you
>>722405394Why are AIslop faces so ugly?I wish I knew how to describe it but it just looks so bad.
>>722405379mental illness.
>>722405328It will happen. Unless you want a civil war (which will happen regardless but sooner if no solution).>>722405348>>722405379Show your hands, brownoids.
>>722405425>artfags ban competitionAlright.
>>722404830SIR DELETE THIS SIR I NEED AI FOR H1B JOB APPLICATION
>>722405195Effort is important, the Sistine chapel would not be nearly as impressive if it was an AI gen. There is a level of awe in understanding the physical processes and logistics intersecting with artistic vision that went into it. But on a different level, it's hard to give a shit about AI art because no choice on any part of the image was really made by a person, just commissioned. When you see an actual piece of art and notice something different about the hands, you can ask yourself what the artist's intention was with how it was drawn, or if it is a product of the learning process. When AI messes up hands it's just "oh, the gen fucked up." The Iwo Jima flag-raising memorial is impactful because of the intention behind it and the story, not because it was some random people holding a flag. People will handwave such considerations away, but that's because they just see art as pixels on a screen, a gen'd product that was made alongside 99 other very similar ones, and don't think any further than that. Because there is nothing further with AI art and that is the world they live in.
>>722404652> it is possible to put in effort and get good resultsYea but that’s not what happens ever
>>722405450you will always be a kike
>>722405425The fact that people constantly add the AI_generated tag to your art on exhentai instantly just speaks volume lmao.
>>722405394zero creativity, zero soul. random anime bitches standing and sitting with rubbery skin
>>722405468>>722405514Outing myself as a coomer degenerate but the AI sites are completely dead in comparison, and most of the artists quite blatantly wanted to just copy existing artists work. as soon as they were made to categorise it as AI, their clicks plummetted.
>>722404221Retired Facebook boomers love AI because they got time and money to burn on a bunch of AI tools to generate slop just to break even.
>>722405447Their faces remind me way too much of e-whores.
>>722405462>It will happen. Unless you want a civil war (which will happen regardless but sooner if no solution).It's time to stop watching asmongold zoomtard. Your have brainrot, nothing ever happens.
>>722405446It is just as unimportant to me as artfags are. Bringing it up to make you seethe and cope is a funny little diversion for me. Your career is over and I'm lmaoing at your life.
>>722404142LOL>>722404258>A human is showing something that he wants to express.Or what he is paid to, working with promps exactly like a tokenizing language model. >It's not the same process at all.It is, the very process with which LLMs reason and execute tasks mimics human processes. The commodification of human creativity is something that happened way before AI. You are just pissed that we figured how to make it extremely accessible and cut bad artists from the pipeline
>>722405447AI art made by skilled AI artists literally shits on everything humans have made up to now, I'm being serious.So much cope about AI "looking bad", guess people just don't want to admit that IA art looks amazing?
>>722405547I don't know who that mongoloid is nor do I care. The point still stands. And I will always be right as 95% of the times.
>>722405425>makes up shit to copeAmazing how the lack of commissions from coomers mindbroke them.
>>722405425Because retards just spam 53906 variations of the same prompt and pretend they're contributing something worthwhile.Then again, it wouldn't surprise me if porn studios were the ones doing that spam to sour people on AI porn, knowing full well their own low cost and effort porn could easily be replaced by a well curated chatbot/image-gen.Stock images and pornography are the two big industries threatened the most by AI.
>>722405389Their artistic output is in museums and highly-expensive households though, and at the time it was likely to be widely liked and appreciated regardless. At least the digital era also brought an explosion of different styles of artistic expression too, even if it had some downsides.>>722405502>Iwo JimaThat was pretty much just propaganda tho
>>722405547It's going to happen once people are starving.
>>722405531It makes sense to me there would be fewer people using the AI site because presumably you could just be genning what you want to see yourself.
>>722405425>The moment I knew AI was a failure is when artfags got scared and had to ban it@grok, how does this make sense?
>>722405462>Unless you want a civil war (which will happen regardless but sooner if no solution).>he thinks there is going to be a civil warTrump's 2nd term will end.The next election will be JD Vance vs Gavin Newsom. The Republicans will try draw in moderate votes by promising stability and an end to the "extremism" of the Trump era, and the Democrats will shill this as a post-Trump era. Dems will probably win, given that the Republicans only just about managed to beat fucking *Kamala Harris* of all people who campaigned for just a few months.The wheel will turn on, and nothing will happen.
I don't like how AI looks, I don't want to fap to AIslop simply as that.therefore, AI is my enemy.
>>722405506embarrassing amounts of cope, post hand.
>>722404524There's better ai threads on /g/,/e/,/h/ and /gif/. There is even good ai gens on dedicated ai subreddits if go looking for it. There good ai videos in being posted on YouTube.https://youtu.be/0y1xGZ5LRns
>>722405640>That was pretty much just propaganda thoYou say that like propaganda posters don't have some of the most interesting and strongly motivated stories in all of art. WW2 propaganda posters produced some very interesting stuff. This one and the one where japs depicted FDR as a wolfman are some of my favorites.
>>722405702Basically yeah.>>722405706>coomer art porn site exists>it has artists who are VERY popular>AIfags generate art based on these artists>sites decide to create a new section specifically for AI art, so it can be filtered>absolutely fucking nobody ever wants to see it, always preferring to COOM to actual artists
I have never seen anything AI look good.
>>722405750True...
>>722405665Sure but it won't be a race war, it's just going to get extremely... unsafe, even more than it is now. Boy are zoomers more fucked than ever
>>722402585Yes, i would pirate it though, but that goes for anything that i can pirate without hassle, ai or no ai.
>>722405707None of these clowns that you've listed will resolve anything. Like I said : there will be a civil war if they offer no pragmatic solution with the rise of AI and it will be PEAK jobless era. And you WILL LIKE IT.
>>722405846That's a low bar because digital space is cheap in present day, I download shit that I might have a 5% chance of ever enjoying in the future because why the fuck not? What I end up spending my time doing in a day I am far pickier about.
>>722400104just from this one screenshot I can tell this game is dogshit
>>722405887It's probably not going to happen man, you just wish badly that it would because you don't have a lot going on.
>>722405887No, they won't resolve anything. But no, there won't be a civil war.If you think mass unemployment is going to lead to civil war, you're retarded. Americans are incredibly servile people, and the Government could quickly and very effortlessly crush anyone who tried to actually take action against it.All the power-ALL of it-lies in the hands of elites. Blue or Red, they will never lose. The wheel turns on.
>>722400719I like this one though
>>722405502>the Sistine chapel would not be nearly as impressive if it was an AI gen.The Sistine chapel is the result of an artists eaboration on previus art and cotemporary cultural and religious backgrounds to create something under commission.The prompt is the creativity and the model the tols to draw
>>722405980>Americans are incredibly servile peopleTell that to my fellow Floridians XD
>>722405980>Government could quickly and very effortlessly crush anyone who tried to actually take action against it.Authoritarianism and jeets *cheff kiss* Exactly what burgers deserve for killing the world , pushing globo homo and flooding every country with jeets because their jewish overlords said so.
>>722400104Don't give a fuck about AI but I'm glad rollslop is getting shat on
GPTroons love Dalit-3
>>722400104It's okay to use AI for portraits for personal use. It's not okay to sell those portraits. I will never pay for AI.
>>7224059802020 more or less proved hows servile the whole world is. They have nothing to fear from the masses. That said that leads to new issues born from apathy but it's clear the masses will just do what they are told.
>>722406071*gets clapped by a drone*lol lmao
>>722405739please prompt something that actually looks good. If you want to replace artists great but then at least make something as good if not better than what they make *praying hands emoji
>>722400719Explain what's wrong with them without using the words "slop", "lazy",or other empty buzzwords
>>722406050The Sistine chapel is a legendary coming together of art and logistics, influenced by cultural norms as nearly every piece of art is. If it was gen'd on a screen by a prompt today, it would be nothing compared to the original even if the original did not exist, by logistic or creativity. Because again there is great value in the story and why a piece was made, and what the intentions of the artist were. You don't get anything like that with prompts. It's akin to a commission where you ask the AI "artist" to come up with a few hundred images that fit your specifications, and you fiddle with things until your commission turns out good enough.
>>722404830I would rather consoom ai generated content then go back playing pozzed woke trash games both from the west and now cucked japan. Games were already shit and pozzed before gen ai proliferated into mainstream in 2023. Haven't even open up steam to play games from my massive backlog in 4 months because how boring I find modern gaming to be. Playing with ai image and video generators is more fun than playing fomo live service slop and soullike roll slop.
>>722400104HOLY GENERIC UESLOP ASSET FLIP
Give AI fags an inch and they'll take a mile. You've got to go zero tolerance for this shit lest they get any ideas.
>>722406178This and the fact that America has had multiple "holy fuck there are no jobs" times and none of them lead to civil war. There aen't even breadlines yet.Every single person who talks about a "civil war" in the US is underage.
>>722406280>>722406293you are literally brown
>>722405327>>/lgbt/
>>722406280It looks like every other generic AI gen and does not stand out because of this. If you deny this, you are lying. That's something "wrong" with it because you want your game to stand out so people have a reason to choose it over other games.
>>722406280you lack the brain power to recognize emotion, tone, motion, or composition. i can no more make you understand why gptroon slop looks bad than i can convince an ant it is small.
>>722405640at some point people started to see minecraft buildings and redstone or things made out of irl legos as creative expression. the line has always moved to encompass more.
>>722404468>for musicians to make money off of their passion. It's okay for writers. It's okay for programmers.Their files go into the same piles>to be replaced ASAPIf you were actually 'passionate' about your work? You'd do it anyway with or without money, you simply could not help it.
>>722400104>Ai generated images>using the Times new roman font that looks completely out of place in the game world because they didn't want to pay an artist to tell them that dogshit ui has no cohesion with itself or the world>base stats on the right have random padding all over the place. No way a single UX/UI person is working on that game>strength appear twice as a stat>"Unreal" engineThis is the most soulless dogshit AI asset flip UE trash i've seen by far. I'm unwilling to believe they paid for real programmers either they probably Ai slopped that shit as well. Why should i care about your game when you yourself don't give a shit about it either?
>>722400719>alien wojaks on the top left
>>722406280You AI-tards can't even colour-correct your pictures to remove piss filter.Post at least good AI pictures for once if you want to prove your point.
>>722406547From a purely selfish perspective it is good for people to be able to put more of their time into their art so they can make more for you and get better at it. Do you want less art that is worse?
>>722400328>You could pay a real artistNEVERMake artist pay you for having their art included in you game, sell the opportunity to the highest bidder that can outperform AI just for some more consistency.
>>722406547>If you were actually 'passionate' about your work? You'd do it anyway with or without money, you simply could not help it.me spend 80% time at work 20% drawingme no like work but like drawme make draw job me can spend 100%hope this helps
I like AI because who the fuck is going to draw smut out of wendy o. koopa and actually be any good at it
>>722406695>Make artist pay you for having their art included in you gameok rabbi relax
hypothesis: brown retards love AI-gen because they are lazy, lack talent, lack artistic sense, and believe that AI-gen is a good way to scam people or run a content farm. All AI-gen services are catered to people who lack talent and intellect and have no hope of creating anything of merit. AI-gen services are the next stage of "selling crypto trading courses to aspiring scammers"
>>722406376No>>722406471>It looks like every other generic AI genI asked you to post similar portraits and you couldn'tAI gens look what you want them to look, artists also use defined "styles" in the same exact way>>722406514>buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, buzzword
>>722406769EEEEWWWWWW
>>722406686>Do you want less art that is worse?Seeing what smoozing kike bootlickers tried to pass as 'art' within the last 100 years or so? HELL YES
>>722405912If you want my money you need to make a good coop game that me and my retarded friend would want to dip into, be so niche that not even tenoke showelware group put your shit online or make an mmo worth trying. Most games i actually bought lately were chinese cultivation rpgs and i am sure half of them used ai.
So why did he get shat on if all he wanted was to not get replaced by machines?Why do people accept and consume all those mass-produced, factory made cheap products for decades now? isn't that soulless? Why is everyone fine with buying cheap processed stuff in walmarts, macdonalds and ikea when they could go to confectioneries, 5 star restaurants, carpenters and bakeries where people actually honed their skill in their craft to an artform with all the soul and love and emotions they pour into their work?When the slave sweatshops in Asia replace their workers once the machines get cheaper will their products also become soulless?Or is it because artists are a special class even after everyone knows they sell retarded shit like splashes of paint or banana taped to a wall for millions in money laundering?
>>722406729>me make draw job me can spend 100%the same retards that believe this are the ones that unironically got an art degree or some similar nonsense
>>722406859because people are retarded and compliantwhen will you stupid people learn??????
>>722400719who gives a fuck
>>722406859what a retarded sentiment.
>>722406859>Why is everyone fine with buying cheap processed stuff in walmarts, macdonalds and ikea They are not fine with it, they have no option.
If someone is willing to cut corners on something seemingly small then what else did they cut corners on?
I feel as bad for artists getting replaced by AI as I do for factory workers getting replaced by machines. Adapt or die fags.
>>722400104Honestly I just don't give a fuck if small irrelevant icons are AI gen'd.I loved EYE, enjoyed Spacehulk and Darktide hasn't gotten a new map in forever so monday night I'll be enjoying it with friends while you guys can keep arguing and having a melty. Time is a finite resource and autistic screeching on /v/ will never accomplish anything.
It's hilarious how Streum On reeks of their founders being high on their own fart.One lightning in a bottle (sort of) and everything afterward is just a mix of mediocre and complete dogshit.
>>722400104>pretending>now
>>722406280It just looks like shit m8
>>722406982they do though? They could eat at Gordon Ramsey, Jamie Olliver and Anthony Bourdain restaurants everyday if they really want to show support for a great artistic chefs work.
>>722406280
>>722406859getting a cheap factory made rice cooker is different from devoiding life of any meaning. look at how houses across the world all became concrete blocks. how beautiful lamp posts became generic and ugly. look at how little time/money/energy is invested nowadays in creating and living around beauty. Without art there would be no books, music, movies, art, games, statues anything. All we would live for is to work while looking at a white concrete wall. Art gives life a flavor which is something that corpo-billionares will never understand. They would sell their mother for a penny.
>>722406514>you lack the brain power to recognize emotion, tone, motion, or composition. holy fuck this. I don't even bother wasting the electricity in my brain to try and argue with these handicapped retards who can't see, and in a sense feel the problem with it just by looking at it. There's certainly examples of passable AIslop out there but to defend this shit specifically is wild.
>>722406791You did not ask me to post similar portraits, that was my first time replying to you. You asked what is wrong with them and I explained it. Why are you pretending this doesn't look like what people think of when you mention AI art? Google "AI eldritch horror" and you will see many things of the same subject matter in the same sort of generic computer-generated photorealistic style that gets lighting wrong that is the hallmark of genning shit in AI without bothering to put any work into it. No need for buzzwords, you just need to be honest in your assessment.And if it looks generic, clearly ai-generated, and doesn't stand out, can we both agree that that's something "wrong" with these if you're trying to sell a product that has these in it?
>>722406982Yes they do have an options, carpenters and tailors still exist and they do take individual orders. What is the next excuse?
>>722406280This looks like it was painted using literal shit.
>>722400104Why not just crop some of the concept art? Thats what a lot of games do, use the same art twice.
>>722406514keep huffing your own farts, tranny.
>>722407127
>>722407134this nigger acting like the world is decaying and art is the only thing holding it at bay when art itself already devolved into this bullshit
>>722406859I don't think AI art can be equated to the industrial revolution, first of all because it doesn't actually produce anything useful.People were also somewhat right about the industrial revolution sucking, mistreatment of the workers was commonplace and factory owners wanted to maximize their own profits at the expense of the average worker, it took a very long time until workers were eventually treated better and even today we still have issues with that. The only thing both it and the AI boom have in common is that it's pushed by corporations to maximize their own profits (more specifically techbros want to swindle as much investment money as possible from investors and in the process they also get a ton of personal data from people) while being apathetic to the overall reduction in human happiness. It says something that Sam Altman is a prepper.
>>722407395retards would unironically call this shit "sovl"
>>722406293cracka ass cracka
>>722402709>source: India Today GroupUNIRONICALLY BROWN
https://youtu.be/QX1Xwzm9yHY?&t=656indian bros....
>>722407134Your cheap rice cooker did put people out of work, same as cars did with horse industry and automation with factory workers, yet you don't protest those. Nobody prevents you from buying a land and making yourself a house in the style you want handpainted by best classical artists available, yet you still bitch and moan.
>>722407209Not many of those still exist because the Walmarts have priced them out, so the ones that are still around(if there are any in your area) exist because they cater to people wanting artisan products that are higher quality but much more expensive, to the point of being prohibitive depending on your current financial situation. In the past you would have a better point, but not in current day.>fuck you man just spend 2,000 dollars on an end tableFor many people they would be homeless if they lived like that. In the long-term it is a fine prescription, but in the short-term that is unfeasible for many. If not wanting to become homeless is what you would call an excuse then you're probably a nepo baby who has never had to deal with the calculus of earning his own money and station in life without a silver spoon in his mouth.
soulful, this is why jeets dont get art amirite xisters
>>722400719This looks like such shit and I refuse to believe that this will be in the final product. Why didn't they just say that these are placeholders?
AI niggers: (YOU) will never be an artist. You are a lazy, passionless nigger who just want the result but is unwilling to put in the work. But the work IS why art is meaningful. You think the work is something undesirable, something to be avoided if possible, but it's actually the opposite. The work IS what gives art and the artist meaning. It's what makes any higher skill meaning. The strive to be better (and derive enjoyment out of it). Same for Music, Writing and Programming. Which is why you will never be a real programmer either. You keep trying shortcuts, prompting Ai instead of sitting down and just doing the work.
>>722400104Why on fucking earth would I prefer or like AI, when the decreased cost of making the game does not reflect the price I would have to pay or how hard I get fleeced for DLC? What benefit is there for me, the person they're selling it to?Even when proompters said it would democratize art, the first fucking thing that happened is that all of the half-decent AI artists immediately rushed to make a paywall through patreon, subscribestar, fantia, pixiv etc. Literally back to square one, except now you also get called a luddite if you don't show unquestionable support.
>>722407610Glass houses.
>>722400104I know lots of example where a single guy is doing a job of a small 12 men indie studio with no real skills with just the power of AI. good taste will soon be the most valued asset.
>>722407610Ah yeah modern art>"must think big thoughts about this $10 mio 'banana peel nailed to a wall' assembly, or Stacy might say I am a Chud"
ai advocates literally don't have the passion of life burning in their chests. it's that simple. they are literally NPC's
>>722407598Most people pre industrial revolution made their own clothes and furniture because artisan carpentry and tailoring was always a premium service that was only really available for nobility.
>>722407662I started seriously trying to learn art a few years ago with the intent on just making my own porn the way I write my own smut, and the process has been very fulfilling to me. The same with my cooking, the process of developing and honing the skill has been a real pleasure and a stress-reliever.
>>722407685>it would democratize artnothing is preventing you to build stuff. yes YOU
>>722407395Antis are now calling global-homo coperate/ngo art soulful. It's sad and pathetic to see how far they will go to show disapproval for anything ai related. I even saw antis defending calart bean face trash.
>>722407669I don't get this gotcha, the people getting pushed out or having their work fed into the machine are not the calart fags, not the corporate memphis ghouls, not the hideous tumblr artists or these "fine art" fraudsters. Even the people who make train the AIs knew these were worthless.
>>722407780>artisan carpentry and tailoring was always a premium serviceExactly, that's why anon's point of "just get a personal carpenter or tailor" was fucking stupid.
>>722407840I think you're making up people in your head to be mad about, I've never in my life seen people actually like this style, other than middle manager drecks of human garbage.
>>722407662look at all the passion i poured into this workthat'll be 1 billion dollars please
>>722407395If you ever went to a local art festival in your area you'd see that the vast majority of what is sold are genuinely pleasant things to look at that communicate ideas, people, objects, or animals that are familiar to and attractive to the average person(because they want to sell it to people so it needs to look desirable). Shit like in your pic exists to launder money.
6.2 million dollars btw
>>722407860>>722408003You're arguing with an upset AIjeet who can't defend his own factory made liquid shit so he just cherrypick as an attempt to discredit art.
>>722407840>AntisKill yourself reddit tourist
>>722407610modern "art" is trash, yes. All self-respecting artists would agree with you. Art degrees are daycare for rich kids who want to call themselves artists but are devoid of passion or a soul. These fake artists don't make the entire field of art bad. We have the same low-effort, low-iq scammers infesting programming now too where they use AI to very poorly coddle together some react native trash. doesn't make real programming illegitimate
>>722407662cool
>>722408074Is this what anti-AI retards call 'sovl' ?????
>>722400104If they can't be bothered to make it, I can't be bothered to play it.
>>722400104Pentagram within the first minute of the video. Game developers need to realize this is an immediate instant ignore.
>>722408164>>722408074>>722407969>>722407840>>722407610refer to >>722408142
>>722407969Modern "art" is the same abysmal dogshit as 99% of AI pictures. What are you trying to prove here?
>>722407127nice art here's my take on it
>>722407906The point was that protesting mass available slop that fills the niche for poorfags is fucking stupid and done only by people invested in the industry because they think it devalue their skills. AI is just next step in making regular poorfag being able to prompt his personal fetishes and get off without paying some artfag to do it.
>>722408074Based asian trustfund kid who brought it proceeded to eat it.True performance art in motion amiright?
>>722408164They don't, everyone has made fun of this shit for ages. You don't see any of these modern art people show up in prompts, but instead people who have made cool art for ages that people just want for free.
>>722400104
>>722407906So you're fine with skilled and artistic tailors and carpenters losing their jobs to mass produced slop? Why wouldn't you want to support them?
>>722408251Nice. Let's get that out on a tray.
>>722408210It's not trash, it's money laundering 101
SAAR, BROWN BUGS LIKE US CAN FINALLY BE ARTISTS SAAR. IT'S NOT EXCLUSIVE TO WHITES AND ASIANS ANYMORE SAAR. REDEEM AI BLOODY BENCHOD BASTERD.
>>722407969>bad faith shitpostingthat shit is as brown as you
>>722408256>AI is just next step in making regular poorfag being able to prompt his personal fetishes and get off without paying some artfag to do it.That would be fine, but then keep that to yourself and don't paywall your gens the exact same way you complained others do. I gen a lot of porn of artists that are unavailable for comms or are way out of my price range, but I don't make a song and dance about it.
>>722408394kek
>>722408256Your point is fucking stupid because unless you're working in an expensive medium, art is the cheapest thing in the world to learn. You need an HB pencil and a pad of paper for materials, and only 15 minutes a day. The regular poorfag can and could already do this unless they were truly, truly mentally disabled, at which point they would have trouble using AI to gen porn to begin with. So no, AI does not enable poorfags the way the industrial revolution did. They were already enabled, you just have to give a shit. Your comparison is dogshit.>>722408363I am fine with supporting them and I do, but when I was in college and poor while I got the ball rolling on my finances, buying a pricey piece of furniture would have meant becoming homeless. You have clearly never been in such a situation or you would not be replying asking why someone living paycheck to paycheck won't buy expensive custom furniture, so it is strange that you try to speak like you understand the circumstances of people in that situation.
There's 1.5 billion indians in the world and yet there exists not a single on good artist amongst them. if this is not proof that they are soulless bugs i don't know what is
>>722408394kino
>>722400104I PREFER AISLOP FREE POZZED TRANNY GOYSLOP ASSETSMADEBYMAN
>>722408504cute meltdown
>>722400461No they don't.>Use AI, I say no buy.fuck off.
>>722408363Not that Anon, don't you dare put my old Italian tailor who does my suits and shoes on the same level as so called "artitsts".A tailor made suit brings actual practical value just like good furniture. "Art" doesn't and was historically just used to flaunt wealth which is why artists always needed patrons with money to burn.
>>722408363An actual artisan table and a fucking artfag doodle are not even remotely in the same ballpark. I genuinely do want a dedicate artisan boardgame table, but that shit is expensive as fuck, and while it would be nice overall, it also takes much longer to save up for. By the time I do, I might not even have a boardgame party or have burned out on it.
>>722408613Just like poorfags can tailor their own clothes and build their own furniture before ikea made it for them then, no biggie, just take 15 minutes a day and you will get there eventually.
I KNOW IT'S GOT DEII LIKE IT!
>>722408748DO YOU LIKE SMOOTH JAZZ?!!
>>722408635This, but unironically
>>722400104>dev has clearly talented people working for them that are enemy and character designers>use AI anywaysbesides muh money I genuinely can't see a good reason to do this
guys what do you think of my art
I am finding myself more and more pro-AI the more I see people I hate seething about it
>>722401410Why is he wearing a starfleet uniform?
>>722408785SOVL
>>722408793I feel the same way. I find myself often supporting things that I know are bad for me on some level, purely because it hurts people I hate more.
>>722408785a bold satirical modern masterpiece that skirts the line between faggot and nigger
>>722400104pretend?sorry but if you dont care about your own game and put ai slop in it then it than why should i care about it?
I tried looking at ai porn and it was literally just tranny spam and blacked spam
>>722408613>You have clearly never been in such a situationNo one cares lol, either every one rises up in protest against every mass produced soulless slop and support those other skilled craftsmen or all this whining and seething to defend artists from soulless ai art are just performative internet bullshit.
>>722408793>one isn't requesting while the other isThis does make a difference of scenario.
>>722408785>right-click savenow it's mine HAHAHAHA I'M GOING TO SELL IT FOR 50 BAJILLION DOLLARS GET FUCKED
>>722408793>>722408891You base your principals on what other people choose which means you are controlled by those around you. Slave morality.
>>722401863>all this game amounts to is the use of AI art for something that will pop up on the bottom right corner of the screen once in a whileFuck the dynamic level generation, fuck the progression system, fuck the netcode, fuck the story, fuck every other part of the artistic direction and design. It's those tiny pieces of placeholder art that matter.
>>722408723No, dumbass. In modern day, the price of practicing large-scale woodworking and textiles is more costly than an HB pencil and a pad of paper that you can practice on both sides with. In both material cost and space. You really have no idea about the logistics about anything you talk about, do you?"If you can buy a pencil and a pad of paper, you can just buy a bunch of lumber that you also need to store and have a much larger work area to practice in."It is nearly free to practice art fundamentals for figure drawing to make your own porn, and a year's worth of frequent practice and progress can fit in a shoebox. The same cannot be said for furniture-making and you're a fucking idiot for pretending otherwise just to carry water for your dogshit comparison.
>>722400461looks like a shitty placeholderand the rest of the screen looks like its made of unity store assets.
>>722400104i wouldn't mind AI as much if it wasn't using the generic AI slop art style that you can tell was a half assed genned image from a mile offi would rather look at shit draws than shit ai
>>722408785My answer
>>722408984>and support those other skilled craftsmenI can support those craftsmen now because I wasn't doing the stupid shit you're suggesting when I was broke. Money snowballs and once you get the ball rolling you can do a lot more than you ever could being poor. People taking your advice wouldn't be able to effectively support those craftsmen and I can now, so shut the fuck up with your own performative shit, retard.
>>722400104What I don't get is that Streum spent a shitton of time meticulously putting together a game based on their basically unknown homebrew game, filled with a truckload of tiny handcrafted details for their own and others' amusement.And then they turn around and just go "okay, let the machine do it now".Is the profit margin really that bad otherwise?
>>722409082fuck off copycat this is my thread now
>retard watchs e-retard>surprise its a retardyou are perfect for each other retard
>>722403463>the algorithm making sense of brush strokes and producing simillar brush strokes is stealing artBy that logic, everything is plagiarism since nothing has a discernible point of independent origin.
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>>722408856theorycraft:>He dreams of the moment a cute nerdy girl asks him just that question>The doc from DS9 might just be the only somewhat sympathic jeet in western media, also a GENETICALLY SUPERIOR SUPERHUMAN, SAAR
>>722403631>"I don't tolerate AI, make your own assets">the assets in questionBut yeah, they should delay this shit again and make the release depend on either an artist's commission return or a UI redesign.
>>722409140They can support them by protesting all the million dollar companies to stop making mass produced soulless slop products and food that takes away jobs from artistic craftsmen, bakers, tailors etc. same way they protest and endlessly whine to game devs and other million dollar companies for using AI that takes away jobs from artists.Of course they'll never do that lmao.
>>722409186What other reason could you have for wanting the exact style of a specific artist other than not wanting to pay for it? What reason is there to even gen that other than to make a similar thing without going through either the effort or the compensation? >inb4 they don't share my exact political view
>>722409154Maybe it's just one small part of the game, they have bills to pay and paying for those bills hinges on a cash flow that won't be there if they're patiently waiting for an artist to produce and charge for 50 generic demon portraits.
>>722409432Care to point out which exact artist these portraits are plagiarising?
>>722405606You guys always say good AI art looks better than anything people can make, but yet you never post any. Curious
>>722409425>They can support them by protesting all the million dollar companiesYeah that's what I said, retard. Pay attention. You get financially stable and then your individual power does more because you can actually boycott the walmarts in protest and go to local grocers and craftsmen to support their trade. Just whining about it like a stupid bitch like you suggest gets nothing done. Anyone who takes your advise orchestrates their own failure, and your life must be the same or you wouldn't be snidely asking why someone with nothing in their savings isn't going into debt to buy a craftsman's custom-made artisan furniture. You live in a fantasy world.
my art is better
>>722407840corpos were always behind anti ai sentiment. guess who doesnt want other people to have guns? people with guns.
>>722409764Somebody with nothing to their name can make their own furniture, can grow their own food and tailor their own clothes, yet they go to walmart and buy mass produced slop.
>>722409764>you can only whine and seethe about corpos making people lose jobs once you're richthat's great sounds like we already have a bunch of millionaires in this thread alone with the amount of seething they do for devs using AI and making artists lose jobs.
>>722409874>corpos were always behind anti ai sentimentAh yes, the corpos who have been shilling AI everywhere to cut down on jobs are actually anti-AI
>>722409654You just need to wait till the FFT elf dude shows up and he'll spam you shit all the day long.
>>722408785This has been iterated on and reposted four times already, which is four more times than 99.999% of the disposable AI garbage that the jeet genning it doesn't even look at more than once and which the average person forgets 0.01 seconds after looking at it.
>>722400104>YOU HAVE TO PAY SOME TUMBLERITEWhy is it that you can never imagine anyone else as an artist. Literally anyone can pick up a pencil, faggot.
>>722410060It'd destroy the argument.
>>7224099684chan is full of temporarily embarrassed millionaires and definitely multimillionaires with hot tradwives who also run a train on your mom every other night
>>722409992big woosh
>>722406280>explain what's 2 + 2>and don't say 4
>>722410060Because they don't exist. Every artist (all of which are scum) are leftists, tumblrites and modern art peddlers.
>>722410060>and dont say 4
>>722410060And nobody will because prospect of spending 5 years to learn to draw half decently is not very appealing for anyone but absolute autists. The fun isn't in the process, the fun is in being able to fucking do it right here right now.
>>722409942As a hobby you can acquire some shitty deadwood and make an end table out of it if it suits you, but depending on your living situation practicing things much larger may not be an option due to space limitations and the fact that you almost certainly do not own your living quarters if you're at the point of making deadwood furniture out of necessity. I was in shared apartment living at one point and it's not always ideal.People could do better sure, but the pragmatic truth is that getting to a point of financial stability and being able to robustly support craftsmen is what matters the most in this regard. Clutch your pearls about buying a tomato from walmart but the local grocer will be quite understanding if you can get to a point where you can support them appreciably.>>722409968Oh you can whine and seethe, but doing that in place of focusing on bettering your situation is virtue signaling. You advocate for toothless virtue signalling instead of bettering your situation and growing your influence. That's pathetic.
>>722410270>The fun isn't in the process
>>722410172>>722410270I dunno my dudes, smells like you've got skill issue and lack of any kind of conviction. Have you considered taking your ADHD meds and buying a pack of pencils?
>>722400104I have always hated random generation of any type in my games.Why would that not extend to current automation attempts (its not intelligence even artificial)You can almost always tell and it always feels soulless… because it literally is.The pattern is clear, humans communicating ideas via games = soul. Automation models generating games = soulless.Why is there a handful of faggots on /v/ pushing this shit nonstop? Is it just indian shills or some retard who is upset with a twitter artist?
>>722410060AI defenders have a very limited playbook, probably due to being brown and ESL. If it's not tumblr it's furry porn commissions.
>>722410270>The fun isn't in the process,Absolutely untrue, it just has its frustrating moments. You don't have to be an autist, you just need to be able to enjoy what you can draw at differing skill levels. Years before you can draw a torso, you can draw a few boxes in perspective and you can make a silly mailbox out of that to send to someone as a christmas card or just as practice from your own mailbox as reference. There is joy in creation.
>>722410363Don't need to, ai is there for me to vomit on screen whatever i want in decent enough state, just like frozen pizza is decent enough for me to not care about cooking it myself.
>>722409321It's releasing into EARLY ACCESS. They ARE going to release it again.
>>722410541>just like frozen pizza is decent enough for me to not care about cooking it myself.Grim.
>>722410541Well, as long as even in your own analogies, you recognize yourself as a bottom feeder that's content with slop.
>anonjeets always yapping about this amazing ai art that's always just offscreen
>>722410495>There is joy in creationThat is the fucking point though, learning isn't creating, it is learning how to create. I would love to be able to do a lot of creative and not so creative things, but i can't be bothered to go through learning unless i was literally stuck in groundhog day and even then it is a fat maybe.
>>722410751>learning isn't creating
>>722410751>learning isn't creatingIt literally is. You don't learn without putting it into practice you fucking idiot.You can draw all the boxes in the world, if you don't do something with them, you've learned nothing.
>>722410270If you actually had an idea that you want to draw it would be fun. I usually only draw for my projects now (currently, a game)Rote practice of things like anatomy or the techniques of painting, are going to be more about autistic improvement. Which isnt a bad thing if you want to frontload a little autistic improvement to jumpstart your art skills, but don’t solely focus on that part.
>>722410751>learning isn't creatingYou will NEVER guess what you do as you learn to draw better
>>722410605Well yeah i accept what i am, i find retards who suddenly draw line at ai art when it comes to sloppification disingenuous hypocrites and will continue to call them out.
>>722410751You create as part of learning, they are one in the same. When you can learn to stop compartmentalizing the two you could actually come to enjoy yourself when you practice instead of cursing your temporary inadequacies.I failed to stick with it 3 times before I really got on the ball. I threw away everything I drew in the first 6 months so I didn't have a chance to be disgusted by it when I looked back. I am now practicing 3-5 times a week and have been for 4 years straight now. Eventually you become anesthetized to that feeling of annoyance/disgust and your art just becomes good enough that it doesn't make you want to vomit. Maybe try that and see if it works for you like it did for me.
>>722410751God you're retarded. The process of learning consists of a shitton of smaller projects as you refine your skills, and requires no talent to start. It's like how when people learn mapping in video games: they don't start with making entire map packs or big 12+ player arenas, they start with making individual maps or duel arenas, and keep making and making and making, which they learn from. You're just not a creative person. It's nothing to do with learning, you're just soulless.
>>722409874I wouldn't be surprised if antis were secretly being funded and used as useful idiots similarly like collective shout and exodus cry to promote excessive censorship and cucking for both newer closed and open source ai models. Never let a good crisis go to waste.
>>722410572We're talking about what they're charging for, that means Early Access.
>>722410605>a bottom feeder that's content with slop.Everyone is lol, where are these good natured artist allied consumers who, just like protesting against AI art, they also loudly protests against mass produced slop products taking away the jobs of skilled cooks, bakers, carpenters, tailors who pour their soul into their work?
>>722410751you can literally see most manga or comic artists get better as they go, just from drawing their comic. You have to first deal with your fear of sucking.
>>722411118I'm not even a part of this argument but holy shit you're stupid
