How do we cure this faggotry? I'm tired of people pretending like Goldeneye or SM64 are some kind of masterpieces. They already were dated and outclassed in every single way by other games that released 1-3 years later. And in the case of Goldeneye, that game was a bad fps compared to PC shooters that released years before it.I feel like the only sane person in an insane world because I judge games purely by how fun they are to play NOW, not how fun they were 30 years ago.
imagine caring this much lol
>>722404881do you also go to museums and scream "we can draw better on 'pooters now!" like a retard as you do here?
>How do we cure this faggotry?By making more revolutionary games. Not happening anymore by the way.
>>722404881Toxo thread
>>722404881>achieving greatness and holding things up to a standard is... le bad or somethang like thatToxotransmosis moment
Goldeneye is pretty dated in a lot of ways but it's cultural impact lasted for years after it's release and people are still modding and playing SM64 to this day because it's just that fun.
>>722404881I agree with tour argument but your examples are absolutely horrible. Mario 64 has yet to be topped, there is still not a better 3d platformer even after 29 years. No other 3d platformer has as high of a skill ceiling, have the finesse, hell most platformers dont even implement proper momentum in the physics.Some actual games that have aged poorly are Half life 2, Zelda a link to the past
>>722404881a .30-06 to your head solves it, faggot retard
Sit down, you're about to play a masterpiece.
>>722404881Dark Messiah is a better game than any aaa slop released in the last 15 years. the only thing that has improved is textures
>>722405039Shit analogy. Old paintings are masterpieces in every objective way. Old N64 games were mogged by dozens of titles that came in the same decade.Captcha: S00YS
>>722404881>How do we cure this faggotrywell if you kill your self the problem will be completely solved
>>722404881>Shitty zoomer who cant enjoy older games because "the clunkiness oh the clunkiness"I'd push you into a locker nerd
>>722408206My favorite games are Ps1/2 era, retard.But at least I'm not afraid of shitting on overrated "classics" cause I don't care about fitting in with the popular opinion.
>>722407154Not a lot of games offered what Goldeneye offered when it released. Having a mission based FPS with guards reacting to locational damage was noteworthy when it released.
>>722405536>Sit down girl. I'll get you some pizza and chips. Don't worry about it. I got it all figured out
>>722407154old paintings also get mogged by dozens of AI slopyou're a dumb nigger, shut the fuck up already
>>722404881>He says, while living in an era where innovation in video games no longer exists.
>REEE I COULD NOT CATCH FOTM OF IT, SO ITS SHIT, UNC
>>722409641Clearly you have reading comprehension difficulties. I said that shit like SM64 or Goldeneye were mogged by games that came out just a few years later. Not once did I mention that all old games are bad.
>>722409856Because games that came out 1-3 years after were still innovating, like Goldeneye did. This shit was common place back then.
Some old games are still great and hold up to this day.Goldeneye, OoT, and SM64 do not hold up at all though.Hell, Golden Eye is only praised by kids who only owned a N64 as kids and never played a single other FPS until Halo came out.
>>722404881You will never be completely and enthralled by the storyline in FF7 because your synapses are completely fried by techno pozzery and you carry a screen everywhere you go.You just wouldn't get it
>>722410003Finally someone with some common sense.
>>722410115I played ff7 when I was in middle school (2005-2006). Only things I liked about it was Sephiroth and his music theme, and the OST in general. The rest was mediocre at best.
>>722404881>other games that released 1-3 years laterYou're saying Half Life is good? You're literally that guy in the op "is great because it was revolutionary back then." Goldeneye is the one doing limb based, physical accurate location damage and hit responses. Half Life is just shooing static targets untilll they play a repeated death animation. So you tell me which is outclassing who..
>>722404881>I'm tired of people pretending like Goldeneye or SM64 are some kind of masterpiecestough shit, kid. they're still good even today.
>>722404881>reee why people say great things about Nintendowhy you care
>>722410542>Acting like a retard to prove his point
>>722404881true, Splinter Cell is an underrated classic in that old PC-FPS game genre.
>>722410003Halo is unironically better than fps's that came out before it tho.
>>722411076Does your mom know you're on sites meant for adults?
>>722404881>How do we cure this faggotry?>mfw>I judge games purely by how fun they are to play NOWAre you playing Goldeneye multiplayer? That was what people really liked about it. SM64 was fun but it felt repetitive making you do the same levels multiple times. Nintendo games often do that though, trying to get as much use out of the content as possible but sometimes it wears thin.
Mental illness
>>722411431You're talking about video games. They're all for children.
Super Mario 64 has the best platforming mechanics the genre has ever had.
>>722404881>Hurr these games were getting mogged by new releases just a few years later>What do you mean nobody had figured shit out and everybody was just bumbling into good ideas through trial and error?
>>722404881Pretty sure "hasn't aged well" is a common enough phrase.
>>722404881You had to be there.Imagine getting this angry about shared memories and inside jokes.
When did catposters become so retarded? They used to have respectable opinions but when you see a cat nowadays you're 50/50 going to see a terrible take, they're almost frogposter tier now
>>722407154the Mona Lisa is shit and I've seen a billion pics better than it.
>>722410542Half life is still good by modern standards. Goldeneye is dogshit with its 20fps (at most) and needing to stop in place to fucking aim lol.
>>722404881youre a zoomie and you need to die
>>722411923i dunno what happened. even a lot of popular cat memes have been shitty with people grabbing them and shaking them because they thought it was funny and nobody really seems to think that's a problem.things just kind of suck more in general now
>>722404881Soulless philistine faggot.People who aren't retards play old games with a mindset of being in that time, and are more impressed by them than by modern slop. And many old games are better than new games in a direct comparison too. Goldeneye isn't, but Mario 64 is.
>>722412058I wish. Do you want pics of my legs that are dying off from decades of sedentary lifestyle?
>>722407154I've seen better art from literally who artists online than most of what's in museums
>>722411923You'd think summer would be over by now.
>>722412123Yes, please.
>>722404881Zoomers are so fucking stupid but at least they make themselves easy to identify in order to completely disregard their opinions
>I judge games purely by how fun they are to play NOWanon, what you find fun is not some objective thing but also based on your formative memories. you might enjoy playing some dumb retard phone game because it is the game you have played since childhood and have good memories with it. one will put up with a lot of bullshit at young age, and then not realise it is bullshit at an older age. these guys have had their formative memories with these games, so they ignore its bullshit and fail to see they don't hold up.this is why i am always vary of people gushing about an old game. pay attention to the way they talk and you will notice the cracks when they have very little to actually praise.that is also why, when i recommend people a game, i try to pick something i think THEY would enjoy instead of picking something i like (because my own tastes might be clouded with this shit). i might even recommend a game i don't like but know they would.
>>722412258Lightly scratching it causes massive internal and external bleeding.All my hair on legs has fallen off.Sitting for more than 2h a day causes it to swell massively. Only time it ever subsides is when I go on a vacation and spend most days in bed.
>>722411923>>722412120>>722412384another thing you will notice is people defending old games argue like a child, their NPC brain is swayed by emotions and if they see you even implying that old games sucked ass, they will lash out like angry feminists
>>722404881your opinion is incorrect.good retro games are good.dont like it, time travel, learn C, C++, Pascal, Assembly, Delphi, BASIC, start an LLC, get the copyright license, trademark the IP, market it, and make a better game
>>722404881easiest solution is to just kill yourself honestly
>>72240835799% of the PS1 games aged worse than SM64, tho.
>>722412607>another thing you will notice is people defending old games argue like a child, their NPC brain is swayed by emotions and if they see you even implying that old games sucked ass, they will lash out like angry feministsYou're describing what I despise: those parroting the popular opinion that games like SM64 or Goldeneye are still somehow good games by modern standards.Those games were arguably good in their time, and were absolutely mogged by games that came afterwards. Spyro and Ape Escape mog sm64. Any PC shooter that came before and after Goldeneye mogs it simply by having mouse controls and framerate higher than 15.
>>722412769Spyro, Crash, Ape Escape, Gex, all mog sm64
>>722408357>My favorite games are Ps1/2 era, retard.oh so you're just consolewarring, that's why you complain about nintendo games while specifying your favorites are ps1/2 instead of saying 5th/6th gen
>>722412909>SpyroOnly 2. 1 is a beta game and 3 is bad.>Crash2 and 3 are better, I guess.>Ape EscapeMeme series>GexLmao, are not the worst because Jersey Devil and Croc exist.
>>722412606Have you tried taking more frequent breaks and walking around a bit while you do?That condition is very avoidable.
ITT:>Zoomers hating on games millennials played>Zoomers trying to fit in by pretending to have "good taste"
>>722408542nta but youre a nigger
Will zoomers ever stop pissing and shitting themselves about everything? it's tiresome. Literal nigro behavior.
>>722412606Get a chair that doesn't smoosh your leg veins and cut off your circulation. Called a saddle chair or smth
>>722413797How am i a zoomer when i have leg necrosis?
>>722415578):
>>722404881>I judge games purely by how fun they are to play NOWYes and they are fun to play NOWYou just need every modern formulaic convenience in order to enjoy a game. You need every hard edge to be filed down so that you don't harm yourself on a sharp corner.You are the exact type of casual who should have been gatekept. And somehow, incredibly, you think your retarded opinion is worth sharing and creating your own thread about.
>>722417162Ok please defend Goldeneye
>>7224178614 players golden gun only in facility and proximity mines only in complex. Your move.
lol you think that's bad?try some early 1940s films
it's this weird shit where people think they are only allowed to play one game or some shit
>>722404881>They already were dated and outclassed in every single way by other games that released 1-3 years laterThat's how fast technology was moving at the time. You wouldn't understand because you weren't born yet. You didn't experience it. Game dev cycles didn't take years, like they do now. These games you are talking about took massive influence from those games that quickly.
>>722419097>ywn experience this againKids these days have no idea the kind of experience it was to couch coop at a friend's house eating pizza and playing goldeneye all night. Online will never scratch that itch.
>>722412606yikes. Do a 3 day fast and switch to keto diet for a month. wear compression socks. work out.
>>722404881rent free
>>722420540Dumb sandnigger completely missing the point.It's fine to simp for Spyro cause it still is a great game by modern standards.It's not fine to simp for sm64 when it looks and plays like a janky tech demo and half of the time you're wrestling with dogshit camera.
>>722404881Mario 64 has great movement for platforming to this day.I agree with you about Goldeneye though. Perfect Dark was a superior game and it released right after. Then we got stuff like Turok and Goldeneye should have been in the dustbin of history but speedtrannies kept it alive.
>>722404881>I judge games purely by how fun they are to play NOW, not how fun they were 30 years ago.You think the games of today are fun?
>>722421335Most of the movement in sm64 is utterly pointless. Anything apart from long jump, wallkicks, triple jump and sideflip doesn't serve any practical purpose (unless you're a speedtranner who cares about gaining 5% more speed with dive jumping and rollout). Nothing about the movement is anything spectacular.
>>722421448Retard, we were talking about n64 games. Stop changing the subject.
>>722404881>I feel like the only sane person in an insane world because I judge games purely by how fun they are to play NOW, not how fun they were 30 years ago.You're a temporally challenged niggerfaghot and should leave judgement of technology to your betters, and continue consuming your minimally viable triple-ass turboslop.
>>722405490>Mario 64 has yet to be topped, there is still not a better 3d platformer even after 29 years.Stopped reading there
>people who don't understand that the zoomer version of trolling is to pretend a classic isn't great and watch the fireworks
Everyone in this thread didn't even bother to fully read (with comprehension) the first paragraph of my OP.Retarded cattle with no attention span.
>>722421765Then reduce the argument to it you nigger faggot then answer the question.
>>722411431People that grew up with Halo are in their 30s.
>to enjoy this game, you have to pretend you're in the past and pretend no better alternatives exist>to enjoy this meal, you have to pretend you're in a shithole country and pretend no better alterntives existLiterally a mental illness.
>>722404881>tranimal OP>faggot opinionChecks out.
>>722404881I think it depends on the game and how influential it was+ how much it shaped the industry and how well it did on its first try.Super Mario Bros would be the apex of this where people are still trying and failing to replicate what it did even today even though you could say there are games better than it.Sometimes people say things are revolutionary when they weren't but they just popularized something or introduced it to a new audience (this happens ALL the fucking time with nintendo).
>>722405490>Zelda a link to the pastwhy, I only played it at the end of last year and loved it (granted, haven't even scratched the surface of the genre)
>people like OP will never experience split screen 4p hijinks after school
>>722423258What flavor of cope is this?
>>722404881>Wow, the engineers who built roman aqueducts were such retards, they didn't even know about electricity!
>>722423386That's not what he's saying though. They exist, they're fun to look at as history. But no one is recommending new engineers to build roman aqueducts. Meanwhile all of you millennial faggots will still put Mario 64 on every fucking top platformer list as if there aren't shovelware indies on steam that mog it in gameplay.
>>722423386So according to your analogy, you go out of your way to use technology outdated by thousands of years and pretend it's better than modern ones? Because that's what OP is talking about.
>>722423386You know a retard has no argument when they resort to bad analogies.
>>722423492No>"This game is great because it was revolutionary back then"Can be literally apllied one to one to ranking scientistsAll retards according to himA revolutionary game is a masterpiece just like a roman aqueduct is
>>722423530We do indeed still use the pythagorean theoremAnd yes, some roman roads still hold up and are still used.Some castles still make for excellent mansionsNot every game holds up, but some absolutely do
Games like X-Com and Master of Magic STILL mog the fuck out of games made now.
>>722404881Yeah, Goldeneye was a dogshit game, even upon release, and it's weird how people defend it. I guess it's a result of being the first FPS console kids got to play. If you were a PC gamer back then, it was extremely dated and so bad that it was essentially unplayable.
>>722423492>shovelware indies on steam that mog it in gameplayplease name me some
>>722423724>I cannot tell the difference between theorems (facts) and technology (things that can be replaced improved on)So this is the level of retard that I'm talking to?This is your last (You). Jerk off to it.
>>722404881What 3D platformer is better than sm64 and why? Hell, it's better than the majority of platformers in general. Goldeneye is actually bad. That's just a normalfag game.
>>722423941To prepare for this exact argument I offered two examples after the theorem of physical objects still being usedQuite an incredible display of arrogant stupidity, at least read the whole post, retarded mongrel
>>722404881you're a fucking retardthings can have historical value
>>722410003you need to learn to respect your elders, not e erything has to be short firm videos of mr beast rubbing his knob on different ethnic kids or whatever nonsense you're watchingGoldeneye is still a great game if you invest your time into it and don't spazz out after 30 seconds because none of the characters are gurning or doing stupid viral dances
>>722404881shouldn't have mentioned mariomentally ill people are triggered now
>>722424132Historical value != gameplay valueThat's the whole point you illiterate retards can't fathom
>>722423764>these casual games with zero gameplay MOG modern games fr frMaster of Magic is a broken braindead piece of shit like HoMM and xcom is only worth playing for x-piratez
>>722404881>I judge games purely by how fun they are to play NOWUltra Fucking Based, even more when there's old games that are actually fun.One of the prime examples for me is CTR, released 26 years ago and it's still the peak of the kart racing genre, mogging the shit of new $80 games like Mario Kart World and Sonic Racing Crossword
>>722404881You're right. But OoT is still an 11/10. And no one in their right mind said GoldenEye was the best 90s shooter, especially when outclassed by Perfect Dark.>>722406185trvke
>>722423492>indies99% of indies are shityou faggots just see "indie" and consider it good when its worse than the shittiest browser game from 2000
>Street Fighter 2 gets placed as the highest fighting game in every list... because of hype nostalgia>despite not being the best in its own series, let alone in the genre>Pokemon Red/Blue gets placed as the highest Pokemon game... because of Pokemania>despite being surpassed by every entry afterwards>Super Metroid gets placed as the highest Metroidvania in every list... because it started the genre>despite being surpassed by Metroid DreadIt's a fucking mental illness.
>>722424041>What 3D platformer is better than sm64 and why?Super Mario Sunshine. The Galaxy games were too janky and experimental. Odyssey went back to the masterpiece gameplay of Sunshine and refined what little could be improved.
>>722404881Toxotransmosis moment
>>722404881>I judge games purely by how funfun? What is fun?Fun is different to everybody. Fun does not mean anything.You are a retard.
>>722424310>despite not being the best in its own series, let alone in the genre>sf3-4-5-6 are shitwhat are you smoking
>>722424643Your bait is weak
>>722424330>Super Mario SunshineThe level design in sunshine just isn't good enough and there's nothing like, say, the clock tower. This leads to it being belly sliding everywhere and dumb minigame/gimmick segments. Odyssey is the same except its rolling instead of belly sliding. Like why does it have those segments where you trace a circle on the ground? What the fuck does shit like that have to do with platforming?
>>722424579>why did I place this janky old game so high? because it's fun!>why didn't I place this more fun game higher? fun doesn't mean anything, chudTwo-facedness is a coward's out.
>>722424041Spyro, Ape Escape, Crash Warped, Jak&Daxter, Ratchet&Clank, Sunshine, Galaxy, Odyssey.
>>722412769>implying bing bing shit aged better
>>722404881>SM64Huh? Apart from the somewhat wonky camera, SM64 holds up incredibly well to this day, and that problem has been fixed by the PC ports.
>>722424785If you like ratchet and jak your opinion is not important and you aren't worth replying to seriously
>>722424141>you need to learn to respect your elders,Then take your own advice and shut the fuck upThose games are overrated and don't hold upOnly worth a damn because of nostalgia
>>722404881>I judge game by how they're NOWso you dont actually like any games because they'll all become garbage to you sooner or later. Why do u even play games then?
niggers like >>722404881 want every game to play exactly the same and cant handle any deviation, instead immediately sperging ooh its so clunky ooh
Japs didn't even like the n64 cause there was no rpgs. Nintendo fucked up big time then.
These are the types of retards that value nostalgia over fun: illiterates.>>722425219>>722425269
>>722404881Mario peaked at SM64. Regardless of your opinion of the game itself, for a series as popular as Mario it's natural for it to be put on a pedestal.
>>722424310No one says this. USFIV is considered the best in the series. Maybe some say a contender is Third Strike. Pokemon DS games are considered some of the best in the series, and why they go for hundreds of dollars second hand. Dread is good, but Zero Mission is the GOAT of 2D Metroid.
>>722425810>USFIV is considered the best in the series>Pokemon DS games are considered some of the best in the seriesI wish, but you and I both know that's not true.
>>722424705>3 completely different gameplay and almost no characters>4-5-6 look like shit and gameplay is shityou are a drone congratulations!
>>722405490>Some actual games that have aged poorly are Half life 2?
>>722408427>when it releasedAre you retarded? I don’t agree with OP (good does not become bad just because better comes along) but that is his whole point, fucking illiterate.
>>722404881>phonefag complaining about faggotry
>>722426749>(good does not become bad just because better comes along)yea man, Bronze swords are still great weapons of war
>>722404881bumpo
>>722407154>every objective way>objectiveYou don't know what that word means, do you? Or are you one of those monkeys that use 'unironically' and 'literally' in an unironic retard way?
>>722404881It is faggotry, but mostly in the sense that I don't believe in video games aging. If you thought something used to be good but you now think it has somehow aged into being unenjoyable, you should try harder to uphold some semblance of taste and independent thought in your media consumption, because the cause of your shift in opinion is almost certainly something else (that you'd prefer to not think about, perhaps).
>>722407154The Mona Lisa isn't special because it's a good portrait.
>>722410542>game journo playing on a trackpad.animatedpng
Absolutely divine watching zoomers struggle with stagnation. The shit they play now looks the same as the shit they played growing up, no wonder they can't appreciate progress.
SM64 IS a masterpieceno game since has had better feeling movementthat's why there's still romhacks being made 30 years later
>>722404881Name a modern game better than those, lets see
>>722429691Some games are definitely lost experiences. I played this with a friend that was completely unimpressed after trying to play this like your normal Ubisoft open world game. Its still a good game but that wow factor it had back in 2005 is gone
>>722404881The pyramids are shit because today we have taller buildings and more impressive monuments
>>722404881I played legend of zelda ocarina and found it to be boring asf but still beat it. Major mask wasn't any better either so I never beat it
>>722404881>If it's not the best it's not worth liking Why? Also the analogy doesn't even work because there's no ultimate 3D platformer, all have a major flaw in a way or another so SM64 still remains among the best ones
zoomer with no critical thinking ? say it isnt so, faggot praising botw and claiming it invented open world games when literally every game has done it before
>>722430645>praising botw and claiming it invented open world gamesXister, you're fighting ghosts in your head.
>>722430513>going into a 2005 PS2 game with the expectation it will play like a generic current year Ubisoft gameSo, he failed the "independent thought" check?
>>722424179Imagine not understanding the meaning of ``historical value``, here let me spoon feed you, the point of historical value means the foundations of gameplay, level design, storytelling and everything that makes modern games better and more ``fun``, the gameplay you get today is another step in the long history of gaming, just like science gets better and better its the exact same, if an old game is not ``fun`` to you doesnt mean it wasnt fun for people back then who knew nothing better, get it now retard? gameplay value has nothing to do with this
I think OP might be either autistic or had his breakfast this morning.
name one 3d platformer with movement mechanics as fun and good as mario 64, retard
>>722431214>mental gymnastics: the postTake a teenager to a history museum and explain to them how they're retarded if they don't think it's fun. (pro tip: you're the retard)
this game only has its atmosphere going for it, literally no reason to play it for the gameplay anymore
>>722431497so you admit you have the mental capacity of a teenagerglad we solved this thread, everyone can go home now, op is a literal retard by his own admission
>>722431654You're a pro retard, is what I admit.
>>722431654You're replying to someone roleplaying as OP
>>722431929>taking sides in an argument is "roleplaying as other people"You wouldn't be called the retard side if you didn't make retarded posts like this.
>>722412606bruh got the gamer leg :skull:
>>722429691Do you think Digimon World 3 is a good game?
But SM64 kinda was a masterpiece. They got so much right about Mario's movement & camera control on the very first try; it's obviously not perfect, but compared to the "tank control" era of playstation games, it was brilliant. and I'm saying this as someone who absolutely hates Mario as a character. I was a sonic autist, and when I played SM64, I was surprised to find a legitimately great game.
>>722424041i think the whole genre is kinda mid. but tomb raider has some ass clenching platforming that made me feel very tense. combat is shit and a lot of interactions with props are obscure and harder to figure out than the puzzles.
