I was told cyberpunk is actually a really cool game and it even shares many similarities with VtMB (one of my favourite games). Is it true on both accounts?
I got tricked by /v/ into playing the Witcher 1 2 and 3 and they were all shit so I'm never touching cyberpunk
>>722406214I have the opposite experience, I loved W1 and played it on release, but W2 and W3 were different and I didn't touch them for a while and regretted it because they're both were quite enjoyable.
>>722406270I recognized that they were well made games (well 2 and 3 at least) but just not my type of adventure game, I needed much better movement and combat
>>722406142NoNo
Yeah they're very similar. You can even toggle first and third person just like VTMb
>>722406142More like a well lit Deus Ex HR
it's a good game but not even in the same genre as vtmb.
>>722406981They're both rpgs, no?
>>722406142Not similar to VTMB but it's alright.
>>722407184Cyberpunk's rpg elements are mostly tied to combat. There is some similarities with how you can approach missions in different ways, but it lacks a lot of the emergent gameplay vtmb has.
>>722407184Cyberpunk barely has any choices or roleplay in itThe 3 lifepaths you choose at the start all have less impact than the clans you pick in VTMB for exampleThat said it's an ok game
>>722406142Cyberpunk 2077's worst crime is having like two good side quests. Those being Sinnerman and Dream On. The latter was genuinely one of the most enthralling side-ops I've ever done in an RPG, it was a master craft in demonstrating the true horror of a morally bankrupt technociety where everybody is one wrong answer away from having their brains fried unless they get in line when the foot lands on their neck. Everything from the presentation to the music has stuck with me three years later.Outside of the main quest and Sinnerman, nothing even gets fucking close. All the other side quests are pure amateur hour in comparison.
>>722406142I don't see the similarities with VtMB, but make sure to give your female a 20ft cock.
>>722407497I think the issue was making 100 shitty gigs instead of 10 well developed proper jobsThey took the ubisoft approach, instead of the approach they had for the witcher for exampleThe DLC sidequests and gig are great, you didn't mention them but they mog the base game gigs completely.
>>722407497the detective side-quest was okay
After 5 years of patches and DLC it's finally playable and a very decent game, but it's closer to Deus Ex than actual character creator, free roam, sandbox RPG like TES or even GTA.
>>722406975>>722407696Sound cool, I actually really liked DE:MD that I played recently.
>>722407658I think simple objective based side gigs could be fine if you had more freedom in how you approached them. Like they give you a goal and it's up to you to decide how you're gonna achieve it.
>>722406142>have a sleepless, neon-lit californian city>treat nightlife as the main core of power>body modification/vampiric evolution, questions how much do you change and how you lose your humanity>megacorps / camarilla>mercenary protagonist>johnny silverhand and smiling jack>religions/existential tone>street-level factions and ideology>quest design and urban immersioncyberpunk should pay vtmb millios of doller
>>722406142cp2077 is now rabidly defended by some weird bandwagon troons so you can't have a decent honest discussion about how overrated and barely worth playing it is.
>>722406142Not really, it's like a gta with worse cars no flying or sailing vehicles and a really dumb plot about corporations vs hecking poor wretches but the wretches are fully tattooed and dressed with expensive jackets like they're going to whore in a rave every dayEverything futuristic about it is boring and stupid, you can't turn yourself into a cyborg for real, much less than in nuDeusExThere's some ninjas I guess if you like that.I'd just replay human revolution and think, you know it isn't that bad maybe I was too harsh instead if I were youShadowrun returns also does better the cyberbunk gimmick, but it's an xcom game
>>722408471Shadowrun trilogy is kino. Would be cool to have a game like cp2077 but in shadowrun setting
It's Borderlands: GTA edition
>>722408602I agree, it's a much better universe also with more shades of morality beyond corporations bad, delinquents good. Isometric turns is ok but it's a smaller niche
>>722408764I hate boredomlands to be honest and diablo clones of any kind. Is it similar due to generic loot?
>>722406142It's definitely one of the games of all time, and it shares many similarities with GTA (also one of the games).
>>722406142It's essentially GTA in a cyberpunk setting. >shares many similarities with VtMB No
>>722406142i struggle to see that as the other features vampires in a rather prominent role
>>722408471Dragonfall is also an actually enjoyable, well-written story, especially if you go for the bad end.
>>722409093It's a shame the franchise hasn't took off yet, nobody else does futuristic high fantasy for some reason. Closer thing is mass effect and it's a date sim
>>722408842>with more shades of morality beyond corporations bad, delinquents goodThe central conceit of SR is exactly that though.
>>722410174in general, but it also has old money bad, tech wackos bad, religious/shamanic weirdos back and even your fellow runner bad
>>722406142It is a really cool game and it always was a really cool game. You have to take one look at the "people" championing its downfall when it came out to know that it was always good. But no, it's not like VtMB.
>>722406142It is cool at times. There are some bits and pieces that stick out with you and playing it is mostly fun, although like many open world games, big map serves only one goal and it's to pad time.Similarities to vtmb? Nope, not even close. Cp77 world is barebones. There's nothing behind characters, there ain't no multilayered story, you aren't even the main character of the game, you are a playable plot device.It is somewhat immersive, but game tries way too hard to look alive and fails so hard. Npcs are dead mannequins, but the game keeps insultingly pretending it's deeper than it is. Vtmb also offered roleplaying elements while cp thinks rpg is when you choose between shotgun and smg to kill something. Addon does a lot of things better than the main game, even let's you choose two new endings and ignore main quest and heckin keanu which is great.
>>722406142It's a good and immersive game that was released in a really bad state and got some bad press about it. Many of the issues were fixed later on. Give it enough time and Cyberpunk 2077 will develop a cult following like Bloodlines did.
>>722406142it's like VTMB in that it's unfinished buggy dogshit, but not like VTMB in that there's no good writing or unquantifiable "soul" that makes up for it
>>722409000>>722409021How many unique vehicles can you drive? How sophisticated is the pedestrian and traffic ai? How many radio stations are there and how good is the licensed soundtrack? Can you go on a crime spree and get in an ever intensifying shootout with the police?Last time I checked, which was 5 years ago to be fair, Cyberpunk was inferior to GTA3 in all these categories. I'm sure it has other good qualities but don't call it a gtalike if it doesn't deliver in the key areas.
>>722408602if a shadowrun (2007) clone came out, would you play it? I don't work very hard but with some motivation I could turn a prototype into a clone game that dives further into the hacker shadowrunner vibe
>>722410174you don't know shadowrun if you think that's what it is. one of the newer games has that trope but SR is more like;>world got fucked>everything is shit so nobody trusts>the only warning is 'don't make a deal with a dragon' purely because of all the ways people fuck you, dragons have the most at their disposal
>>722412595>don't call it a gtalike if it doesn't deliver in the key areas.genre descriptors aren't indictors of quality
>>722413689Correct, they're indicators of what elements are present in a given work. Cyberpunk doesn't even attempt the same things gta does, the similarities are entirely superficial
>>722414183It quite literally does the exact same thing GTA clones always do. You have a big empty decoration of a city, you can stand in a specific point to receive a mission that would have something to do with crime, you can steal any care you like and if you're noticed there's a star system to spawn infinite hordes of police on top of you. It's the core gameplay, but Cyberpunk also uses superficial stuff GTA has acquired over the years, like vehicle delivery system, etc.You have to be quite slow not to get it without me chewing it out for you like that.
>>722407497Phantom Liberty's sidequests were fantastic
>>722407953Literally of those existed before VTMB was a thought in anyone's head. In fact, the Cyberpunk TTRPG existed before the WoD.
>>722414425Still not close enough. Saints Row is a proper gtalike. Everything you mentioned is present in far cry 3
>>722408602Dragonfall > Hong Kong > Returns
>>722406142>promised the most immersive, interactive open world experience to ever exist Cut to launch >city has little to no interaction >almost no random events>no interactivity>NPC generation is shit even after 2.0 update>streets will randomly be devoid of traffic or NPCs >wanted system is baby tier, police will single file chase you to your exact hidden position, easily escaped >"RPG mechanics" consist of the most basic, AAA "skill tree" you've seen in your life >no real choices within the story, nomad/punk/corpo origins are meaningless and offer nothing but occasional flavor text that doesn't alter the storyThe most 5/10 experience ever. Retards only started defending this game after the anime came out, i.e complete secondaries
>>722406142V unfortunately isn’t that sexy in the game.You can tell there is a certain degree of small superficial design inspiration from VTM Bloodlines in the game that comes out in things like the player apartments and what not.
>>722406270But I enjoyed 1 way more. The music is way better and Geralt for some reason annoy me in 3, also Wyzima is very nice and Siegfried is my best bro
>>722408842>better universe>with fantasy racesmiss me with that shit
>>722416549Yes. Witcher 1 is near the heights of what Eurojank is and should be.
>>722406142Not perfect but for a bunch of Polacks, it was a fine game. Replayability is kinda pointless, free roam is boring, you technically can spend money and shit, but it's still not GTA SA level of freedom. Shooting and melee feels awful and just don't make sense but hey for each their own. If you like it when you put 1000 bullets in the head and still don't kill a guy, who am I to judge? It's "RPG". I would have preferred John-Wicking everybody but I guess in my dreams.VTMB analogy is not literal. It just gives off the same vibes a little bit, naturally only at night, at some moments. And only at certain levels and missions. To be precise, when you have to improvise how to sneak in into buildings, when you have to think how to solve this or that mission, and stuff like that. But I dunno, it can be said for any RPG right?
>>722406142No, it's just alright. Does a lot of things well, but also has a ton of shitty mechanics that you would never expect from a game of this size. Like I can't think of any game with worse feeling cars than CP2077.
>>722407184>rpgCDPR disagrees with that.
