the perfect arpg, 0 flaws, best itemization in video games history
>>722409551classic yeswhile lod is very good runewords killed a lot of variety/progression
Extremely boring gameplay with zero challenge, boring procedural levels, terrible itemization with so many trash useless uniques, and extremely low chance to get usable rares/magic items
>>722409551>CLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICK>monster dies>loot monster>teleport to nearest town>sell loot>replace shitty equipment with slightly less shitty equipment>rinse and repeat
>>722409551>best itemization in video games historyDiablo 3 did this better.
>>722409619d2 without runewords is great, but with runewords is also fine and pretty fitting for the game
>>722409687in other words: FUN
>>722409687You could also make up something like this for every single video game ever.
>>722409687>>replace shitty equipment with slightly less shitty equipmentkek, this like never happens after 10 hours. It's why I enjoy poe because at least number go up, whereas in diablo, everything about every build is literally predetermined.
>>722409685you suck at the game and only played single player, the majority of fun of d2 was playing on battle.net
>>722409846>poewouldn't exist if it wasn't for diablo, bow down to your daddy
>>722409687wait really? This sounds like ton of Roblox games I used to play. Did boomers really shit in their trousers because of THIS?
>>722409868You used the game as a glorified chatroom while grinding dogshit gameplay for skinnerbox drops. Literally no different from Runescape.
>>722409868I want fun multiplayer back, bros.
>>722409936runescape is also a goat game
runewords were a mistakecramping up the already tiny inventory with charms was a mistake
>>722409551I like Diablo but it's complete goyslop and we all know it. I consider it a guilty pleasure.
>>722409939banned for antisemitism
>>722409551Sorry wrong image
>>722409936you never played battle net if you think this, battle net was used for questing, dualing, pvp, pking players in hardcore, social engineering other players and stealing their loot, trade, lvling up, etc. people barely talked unless it was in trading channels
>>722409991You have to be an adult to post here
>>722409551>try PD2>wasd works >material stash tab>resurrected will never get cool shit like thisa shame
>>722409687>weebfaggots when there isn't any 1 hr cutscenes to teach them emotional maturity with high school characters
>>722410080What are you reacting to? The word goyslop?
>>722409685>extremely low chance to get usable rares/magic items>>722409551>best itemization in video games historyIt's simple, isn't it?
>>722410093more people play diablo 2 than poe in 2025
>>722409868I'll duel right now. What's your battle net?
>>722410206No, because everyone just builds cookie cutter because of this and the variety is extremely low. It's amazingly low considering all the shit in diablo 2.
>>722410248Haven't played since D2R was released, hoping they add a new act and i'll return.
>>722410315I would've beat your ass to pieces in og lod and remake, but adding a new act wouldn't add shit.
>>722410248>weapon called GriefThat is outrageously based.
>>722410313>It's amazingly low consideringThat's indeed amazing. Not saying you are wrong, but diablo 2is like 30 years on shelves. Pretty decent for 2gb of code, almost half a century old.
>>722410248>only 399/39 instead of 400/40 15%supumm... you're missing like 1-1.5 damage per hit poorfag
>>722409687wait you dont click in other games?
>>722410430The game is good for what it is but very flawed. One of the flaws is itemization.
>>722410374Doubt.
>>722410940You're dodging me now despite this being the perfect game that you love and that says all I need to know.
>>722410374>adding a new act wouldn't add shit.david brevik, the literal creator of diablo, said he designed a new expansion after d2:lod, and he even said that the team had stayed at blizzard there would have been a high chance that there would have been ANOTHER expansion after that one.source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3UguCrouE4
>>722410694I wonder if correcting these flaws would make the game better, I really do. Obviously flaws exist and are easy to address.
>>722411095I don't have a geared up character to even dual you, who says we're even on the same realm, furthermore i only really played hardcore during the time i stopped playing d2lod on bnet, try making a hc character and pking other people, that's really fun.
>>722410694lol lmao even @ people saying d2 itemization "is a flaw" when every single rpg out there tries to emulate its itemization, every time i hear this opinion i already know you don't know anything about game dev
>>722411643They try to emulate the good parts of its itemization, build-defining items, not the bad parts (aka tons of trash). I don't know what's hard to understand about this.
>>722411576Then why doubt? Just say that. Just say you don't actually play the game
>>722411396You shouldn't fix a game this old by completely changing it around. Nobody would accept that. You just take the lessons learned into a new game. Blizzard didn't do that for some reason and turned everything into WoW items
>>722411801and still can't get it right
>>722411856i'm not even sure why you think you would beat me in a dual, yeah i get it your barb has a lot of hp, def and high res, it would just take longer to kill you
>>722410248>BvC barbHammerdin takes you out
Good to see (you)
Just fought Andariel (the big tittied spider girl, tall too) and it was ass. I had to drag all the adds into the next room and the boss devolved into spamming potions frantically between being poisoned. Genuine 3/10 boss design. Gonna keep going. I’ll keep you updated.
Now I’m in Lebanon, but the Rogue girl for hire (pretty sure they calls this prostitution) came along. Diane her name is. She’s a mute. The sultan of Lebanon is here just yapping. We’ll see if Arabs can be trusted.
>d2 on twitch>every single gamer girl is a true boring autistic brunettebased?
Diablo 2 is too old now. It still is THE ARPG but the age is now finally starting to show after 30 years.
>>722409551Itemization is good, but not perfect. High runes drop rate is a joke.
>>722413467Rune drops are perfectly fine, because not every rune that drops is actually good and would even fit the runeword for the item you need for your class. Just say you don't know anything about d2 and go play path of failure.
>>722409687Kino
>>722409687You can just hold down click.
>>722409687This is why I prefer roguelikes. It's the same thing but holding W gets you killed.
>the one game that could save the ARPG genre from being boring shit stuck 20 years ago>shoot itself in the foot by having too expensive graphics and tech>devs no longer care as much about making the gameplay systems good and just half ass it, culminates on shitty dumbed down rollslopmisery
>>722409868I played on Bnet, while I had some fun sessions, most of the time it was :-People wanting to get carried as fast as possible to the end of the game-Cow level grind-Boss runs where you clicked to grab loot as fast as possible when it dropped then bail
>>722409551What makes it great is the actual combat, skill trees, art and music. The itemization is the least notable thing about it, if anything it's a detriment at the high end because it warped the game into a retarded rune farming and external marketplace flipping and RMT bonanza
Finished the sewers in Tut Lohaul. Diana is dead. The devs decided to put skeletons with fire arrows everywhere with 0 way to deal with them. Bad game design. The boss was also some dude who was just standing there for 2 minutes redirecting skeletons who were running at 2x speed or something. He had a cool voice line though. 3.5/10 boss fight. Only barely better than Andariel because he said a Duke Nukem line. Lack of cleavage takes points off.
>>722414282Damn, wanted to buy after ea. Owari da?
>>722409551And then 1.10 happened
>>722414910>after EAit has still not received the multiplayer update which was supposed to be the first update btw the game is honestly worth $20 tops right now as its 10-12 hours of content (bar replaying with different weapons even if you build them all samey outside of ice builds) spread across 30~
>>722414708Post screenshot
>>722409551it's just a walking simulator
>>722409551>0 flaws>act 3>drop rates of the high runes>half of the skills sucking ass even after years of patches
>>722409706I find runewords great as a concept and wonder why no other game has ever done something like it and refined/expanded upon it, not even other diablo games.
How's the new ladder season treating you lads?
>>722420106Just made a pally this morning and did act 1 with a random sorc. Got lucky with a death's set sash drop, so cbf is taken care of. Holy fire is so fucking easy mode, but I'm fine with it since last ladder I fresh started as a barb which of course was miserable. Gonna respec to foh eventually. So comfy. Hbu niggy?
>>722420106Made it to nightmare with my assassin. Been pretty chill. Gonna start rune farming eventually.
>>722409551act 1 is dogshit, act 2 is better but still shitthe randomly generated stuff can be pretty bad in many casesbut even with that, D2 is still a very good gameif blizzard actually improved upon D2 it could've been a 10/10 easily, but D3 might as well be a different franchise
>>722421528D4 could've been awesome, if not... Well for all that stuff that makes the game obnoxious.
>>722410218He was talking about PD2
>>722409959>cramping up the already tiny inventory with charms was a mistakeIt's stupid how you can just ignore gearing for resistances and instead use a ton of charms to just fill the hole. Or how you can use skillers to push your skill levels to retarded levels.Runewords are okay (makes white and grey items useful, and opens up more gear options) but the problem is they just kept adding in runewords without adding in uniques that could match them. Hell, some items don't even have a unique variant. For example the diamond bow.>>722409551halfway chapter 2 the areas start to fall apart. Quest progression makes no sense in chapter 2. chapter 3's ruined by endless nuisance enemies, chapter 4 is unfinished, chapter 5 overcompensated for being the only chapter of the xpack. So you have enormous zones you have little reason to explore.
>>722421528>D2 is still a very good gameThere isn't a single positive well executed aspect in any of the diablo games. Casual dad gamers just "play" them because of the aesthetics and lack of genuine obstacles, as with any other arpg. This is unironically the worst game in the catalogue right now in terms of being casual normalfag bait, even counting the gacha and mmo threads.
>>722412746>game gives you antidote potions to deal with andariel>don't use them>wtf bugged game mechanicsthis is a game made when players were expected to problem solve. Im sorry there isnt an NPC on the radio constantly barking at you to get antidote potions.
What changes would you make to underused skills /v/?
>>722422346>this is a game made when players were expected to problem solveThen why isn't he being punished for engaging in such severely mentally retarded behavior? And no you don't need antidote potions.
>>722409551>no endgame>retarded itemazation>set items>runewords >rares are worthless>immunitiesI played hardcore, ironman did holy grail challenge and probably have 10+k in d2 and I can confidently say poe is better in every way.
>>722422491I would play a better genre as any changes would just be arbitrarily altering numerical values to be in line with other numerical values.
>>722422681>poe is better in every wayPoE is equally shitty now that they've gutted everything decent about the game. All arpgs are bad.
>>722422779you hating arpgs doesnt make poe bad by default
>>722409551>get to ice demon boss>forget what I'm supposed to do>drop game
>>722422834Yes PoE is bad by default and the only positive aspect of it was its trade system, which was destroyed. The actual arpg bit is just total background noise that offers no mental stimulation whatsoever, and all itemization has also been oversimplified and is rapidly approaching the level of mental retardation and lack of interactivity in diablo. Doesn't take make thought to just HH>MB. That's all endgame is. All these "games" are shit. Go play real video games.
>>722423320>sc tradeyeah ok now I understand. I don't fucking care what you have to say lol
>tradefag having a meltie
>0 flawsit's slow and boring as shitit's one of the earliest goyslops I can think of
Should I play Project Diablo 2 or Median XL?
>>722423394The only ssf mode worth playing is gauntlet and you are SEVERELY mentally retarded if you play HC during a league for no reason and have probably never even seen a pinnacle boss. You're just dashing yourself up against walls you don't understand, dying, and then starting over, and thinking that's deep
>>722409551The expansion made it worse, with the shitty rune system
>>722423576Project Diablo 2, if you want something closer to vanilla.Median XL, if you want additional spells and many changes.
>>722423717Thank you anon.
>>722423770Also consider the options like Path of Diablo or Vanilla D2 + PlugY. Both are great ways to playing D2.
>>722423576there's also PD2Reawakening which seems to be a sidegrade/mod of PD2no idea if it's good or not though
After I beat the game, are there any tools to give myself any rare loot I want? I don't see the point in spending dozens of hours killing the same unchallenging monsters just to win the RNG casino game. But I want to see how a finished build would play like.
>>722409687>CLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKShitter who doesn't know about holding spotted.
>>722424457not really. you can increase your chance of certain uniques by doing specific bosses like nightmare andariel for soj's but outside of that there is no target farming. not that the game requires it since the drop rate is quite generous for 95+% of all items (uniques).
>>722424457Yes, with D2 you can give yourself items with a trainer, then import them to D2R
>>722409551I unironically prefer D3 because at least in that game, whenever you get new item drops, they’re equivalent to or slightly better than what you have equipped D2 is all over the place with its drops, sometimes being markedly worse than your current equipment, sometimes being laughably OP for that segment of the gameThere’s zero balance until peak endgame, but then the balancing goes from “dogshit-OP” to “slightly worse-slightly better”It’s schizophrenic and D3 absolutely fixed this system with its drop tablesAlso D2 has immensely terrible builds that can fuck your entire playthrough up, whereas later games are much more lenient with respecs and balancing so as to allow for more fluid, dynamic character growth and building >d-durr!! You don’t understand the game!! It’s easy!!YOU used a guide, do NOT talk to meD2 is only talked about fondly because it has 20 years of guides, discussion, etc that make the game enjoyable It was fucking horrible figuring this shit out blind, so many wasted hours of trying builds and looking for items that simply did NOT work
>>722409694>Diablo 3 did this better
>enter the right tomb>die before loading ends
>>722424881good b8
>>722409694Are you retarded?
>>722409551>0 flawsHell difficulty.>dude just teleport/run past everything because you can't kill 1/3-1/2 of the enemies unless you are a hammerdin lolAnd then limited respecs along with synergies that neuter hybrid builds.
>>722423972Anon, it wasn't a genuine question.
>>722425086>he looked for baal
>act 4>in hell, the demons their home turf>go to a giant fallen cathedral surrounded by lava>open seals that summon forth some of the worst hell has to offer>finally diablo himself appears in a pentagram>not even death can save you from me>after an epic fight finally down him>feels like I finished the game>hurr durr here is another act
>>722409551Unironically the one game I'd choose if I had to live in isolation for a few years.The way itemisation works makes the replayability almost infinite. The dark Gothic ambience that was done so well is just the icing on the cake
>>722409551>lots of really cool or neat low level uniques>have retardedly low drop rates for them>you're much better equipped and at a much higher level by the time they drop>here have a cleglaw or sigon instead
>>722409551>0 flawsrunewords. horrific character models if you want to include the remaster
diablo 2 devs are talking about their new game right now https://www.twitch.tv/zizaran
>>722425998>v1.10>2003we're in 2025 anon
>>722425890Based
>>722425412that's how expansions work
>>722424881d3 is dogshit and your opinion is disregarded
>>722426529shouldve made arreat act 4 and hell act 5.
>>722426756so you think act 4 should've been the expansion with diablo?act 4 - diabloexpansion with act 5 - baalwhat's the problem?
>>722410021>Nioh 2 but designed by people that did D2 classes and itemization20/10
>>722424881i gave D3 a fair shot and it really wasn't that good. i like a lot of the ideas, but the overall implementation sucks. ignoring the story, graphics and other unimportant criticisms>the campaign is boring, it's pretty much impossible to die, the main threat is enemies taking too long to die>the start of adventure mode is great, but quickly falls off since rifts are boring trash content, and the only further content is ever bigger rifts, which are just pure number bloat with enemies being primarily threatening by means of having way too much life>sets are OK, but there aren't nearly enough of them so you are forced into build>monsters are meaningless aside from the amount of life they have, so the entire end game is just stacking as much DPS as possible so that you can kill the fatass meatwalls that are every single monster>looking up highest tier content, it's gigautists resetting maps repeatedly before doing content otherwise its impossible, and luring up gigantic mob packs and spending 10 minutes killing them because of excessive HP bloati spent maybe 10 hours in adventure mode and dropped it when i realized rifts were the end game and are the most boring slog imaginable. diablo 3 could be a decent game with a few tweaks, but that'll never happen
>>722426956It makes more sense for diablo to be the final boss. Fighting your way through hell to face the final evil in its home domain feels more epic than fighting a guy in some barbarian temple thing.
>still not on steam I refuse to buy it
>>722425890>The way itemisation works makes the replayability almost infiniteIt's mind boggling that people spew shit like this straight from their ass. You can tell this person has never played an actual video game even once in their life.
>>722426629You’re such a loser That’s your reply? That’s your argument?Trash, don’t post again
>>722409551Not the perfect, but still very good. Better than PoE in many aspects (lack of rollslop and oneshots, for example).
>>722427410He is. Then the story continued. This is what expansions are. This is what a continuing story is.
>>722429420>I think the game would be better if they changed things>but things are as they are now>yes, but I think they would be better if they're changed>but that is not how it is at the moment
>>722409687Perhaps the same could be said of all video games.
>>722422491MAKE CONCENTRATION AURA AFFECT MAGIC DAMAGE BEYOND JUST BLESSED HAMMER
>>722429592>let's completely upend the story to make it fit every time we make brand new expansionsIf LoD was the base game with Baal at the end then you'd have a point. It's not, so you don't.
>>722409551I think it has the best BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS.
>>722430906Pointer, he's starting again...
>>722413945Unless you have more free time than you know what to do with, you will never see zod or ber, kid.
>>722427553>D2 is only talked about fondly because it has 20 years of guides, discussion, etc that make the game enjoyablewhen you say ridicules things like this, it's a waste of time to actually reply faithfully to your points
>>722432623ironically, that's what makes the game fun, rare items are in fact... rare. you are the kid that wants things handed to you on a silver spoon, easily, quick and fast.these so called "flaws" are what makes the game the perfect arpg, which is why others try to emulate, but fail.
>>722409551>0 flaws, best itemizationHaving essentially all character building be about gearing is the fatal flaw and turns the entire experience into a series of slot machine lever pulls. Path of Exile has the same problem, though it's obfuscated by more mechanics which give the impression that there's actually more to it. Building a good character is just a function of time spent in game, which is pretty lame. Diablo 4 is a breath of fresh air in this regard since you can just make the character you want and aren't at the mercy of endless grinding or getting lucky because character power is so tilted towards things you can just choose like abilities or aspects.
LoD is "solved". Every class and build has an ideal gear: X unique hat, Y runeword, Z rings. High level gear in classic is all about mixing rares and balancing their attributes. Every char has different items. The hunt for better rares never ends.
>>722409551D1 better
>>722433495>High level gear in classic is all about mixing rares and balancing their attributesNo it isn't. You just hit res cap then stack 1 stat. Runewords don't change that. They also don't change that you have a 100000% higher chance of getting the rares you want from the gambler rather than drops, so it's a waste of time to pick up anything other than the purpose of vendoring it, and even if you didnt would that even make the game any more interesting? All runewords did was fabricate a very basic digital economy so people could fast track all the bullshit. Diablo is such an incredibly shallow game, blizzard games in general were played for their social aspect. My English teacher in high school even met her husband in diablo 2. Playing these games for their "gameplay" is complete historical revisionism by retarded casuals who are scraping the barrel of the past looking for the easiest dumbest games to play to deal with their midlife crisis.
Is there a perfect itemization for an (a)rpg? Somehow I feel rune words aren't, they are a crude form of crafting/upgrading. I find the cube much better.
>>722434342I think it's better to just bin the whole genre and focus on actual video games
>>7224335690 replay ability
Has anyone played PD2? I'm trying it after a run of regular D2 and it just seems better. Chain blowing up hoards with Sacrifice is fun.
>>722434769It's just diablo 2 with poorly implemented and shallow poe mechanics bolted onto it, and a predatory p2w endgame
>>722434394RPG or clicker games like diablo 2? D2 has an outstanding atmosphere until act 3, but the gameplay is boring af, no doubt. I just wish for an actual rpg in the style of diablo 1 and 2.
>>722434882>predatory p2w endgameMusk has no problems with that
>>722434991All rpgs are braindead and you should learn to seek out games for their gameplay, not their presentation. The sooner you expand your horizons the sooner video games will start seeming good again.
>>722434882>poorly implemented and shallow poe mechanics bolted onto itLike what? I know nothing about PoE. Diablo 1+2 are my first western arpgs.>and a predatory p2w endgameThese guys are making money off of in game items? wtf...
Diablo threads genuinely remind of that pajeet that would make fallout 3 threads every day and go "GOTHIC. ATMOSPHERE. KINO."
>>722409551Diablo 2 didn't understand the point of Diablo 1, which was a short and sweet dungeon crawler where the loot changed the gameplay on the fly and determined most of the game. D2 is a character builder where you grind for loot. Sucks.
>>722435367You're thinking of DMC2.
>>722434569False, if anything it's more replayable because there's more randomness and no "builds", just classes
>>722435139>video games will start seeming good againLike what? What are good games according to you? Can you name 3 from the last 6-7 years?
>>722435509No, they feel exactly the same and they attract the same type of retards who just want and sword and sorcery pulp aesthetic with a braindead power fantasy.
>>722435139Shmups are not good games.
>>722409687you forgot>cast 5 spells>out of mana>out of mana pots that formerly took 90% of the inventory spacedogshit game design and dogshit game
>>722435482Back then games would change a lot more between entries. D1 is a dungeon crawler but real time. D2 wanted open areas, unique class skills and more diverse areas. To add to the longevity they added nightmare/hell and extra loot. LOD then again expanded the system with another tier of items, higher difficulty on NM/H, runewords. Although the first runewords were mostly early game and mid-tier. But in the end you could still play D2 as an RPg in which you just ran through the levels, picked skills you liked, and close the game when you were done with normal. Hell, skills like firebolt and teeth only existed for normal. Without synergies you were better off saving your skillpoints. The loot whoring was just a part of the game for the hardcore players to indulge in. Similar to an RTS it's online competitive scene. That every other ARPG decided to only focus on the loot grind, rather than the rest is their problem.D3 and starcraft 2 are actually very similar. D3 only focussed on the loot gooning, SC2 focussed only on the competitve ladder. Even though a lot of people just played casually.
>>722409551the Succubi in this game are ugly. This is a pretty big flaw desu.
>>722435791>Can you name 3 from the last 6-7 years?Spelunky 2Crimzon Clover World ExplosionRolling GunnerZerorangerNeon WhiteBlue Revolver Double ActionPizza Tower
>>722436453>tfw even diablo 3 beats out diablo 2 in succubus sexinessdiablo 2 bros... our response?
>>722435846No rpg ever got my heart pounding
>>722436453Diablo 1 has better sprites overall
>>722436725d2 bores me to death
>>722409551>best itemizationI think most of you slot machine addicts don't fucking know what itemization means
>>722436859My biggest frustration with the Diablo franchise are the Succubi not being completely naked, liked that one ginger Succubus from Castlevania Symphony of the Night that was was buck-ass naked minus a corset which she used to prop up her massive demonic milkers.
>>722436982I-is that pixelated titties? GOTHIC. ATMOSPHERE. KINO.
>>722409551hmmmm yes, very interesting. Now post the gameplay
I wish there was an ARPG that went big on unique attributes rather than sheer number of uniques. Like, instead of 1000 different versions of>50% cold res, adds 10-20 cold damage, +5 mana regen, +15 hp>+1 all melee skills, 10% faster attack, 10% faster run, 1% hp leechI want>amulet turns you into a lich temporarily>chest plate consume enemy corpses>shield summons magical bird fairy waifu follows you and casts random buffs>ring gives 10% hp leech, take 1% hp damage every step you take>boots once per minute let you burrow into ground for immediate full heal and then emerge with large splash damage attack, but during cooldown you're extra vulnerable>sword makes you sprout third limb which you can also equip a weapon toIn fairness to PoE, despite its flaws and extreme grindy nature, it has some of the most unique-uniques of its genre
>>722420106Once again i see no reason to start with anything except sorc. Teleport is completely op and the damage of the class is so insane mobs dont even get a chance to hit you. I beat normal in a few hours. Will get her to hell, slap some cheap runewords on her to powespike into full farm mode, then use her to feed the most insane disgusting hork barb ever created
>>722437585Sure buddy, here's your unique attributes>50% cold resistance versus undead>adds 10-20 cold damage when you've been hit recently>+5 mana regen every other 4 seconds>+15 hp if at least ten of your gibberlings have died recently>+1 all melee skills if you haven't used a melee skill recently>10% faster attack with -1% faster attack for every recent attack>1% hp leech with poop damage
>>722436725Sucks to be you.
>>722436119If I stopped playing D2 at normal it is a shit RPG. The Nightmare experience is the only time the game is good.
>>722436641You have horrendous taste.
>>722439365Thats a compliment in a thread like this one. It's like someone in a strip club telling me I have bad taste in women.
>>722409551>best itemization in video games historyWill this meme ever end? The items in D2 are all boring stat sticks. None of them do anything interesting.
>>722409956Runescape is the worst game ever made.
>>722437585diablo 2 tries it a little with 0skills. Like giving the assassin whirlwind or necromancer fire skills. Would be cool if they leaned more into that.>amulet turns you into a lich temporarilyThe necromancer set turns you into a vampire lord with fire skills. >chest plate consume enemy corpsesthere is a runeword that gives you redemption aura>shield summons magical bird fairy waifu follows you and casts random buffsyou have heart of the oak and natures grace that lets you summon the druid spiritsDemon machine and passion lets you turn a sorceress into a crossbow user/sword user with enchant for example. So I think there are possibilities, but at this point the devs are too afraid to change the game too much and upset the autists that just want to play the same game they played when they were 10
>>722409687Why does Diablo 2 make weeb pedophiles seethe so hard? Nothing makes /v/ seethe harder than Diablo 2 outside of Baldur's Gate 3.
>>722440525>yep here's me acknowledging I clearly don't belong here and am in the minority while having a permanent general 24/7, this is totally fine
>>722436641I mean, I'm inclined to agree with the other anon. But spelunky does well what it doesGot any other good 2d platformer?
>>722440621I'm not a bisexual weeb pedophile but I still belong here, zoomer.
>>722427294>rifts are boring trash contentRifts are the best endgame system any arpg ever had.
>>722440936Rifts are boring trash. I agree with the other anon. PoE's mapping is way better.
>>722430020There are tons of games where expansions add content somewhere in the middle. They don't have to happen after the original end.
>>722409551This, but Diablo 1.
>>722435139Presentation matters a lot.
>>722441271Diablo 1 doesn't even let you run in town or shift click potions into your belt. It's still a good game but it's antiquated and full of flaws.
>>722441116Diablo 2's story is very rigid, you can't deviate from the Act 1-4 story. The entire game is you following the trail of the Dark Wanderer, who is 'always traveling East.' It'd make zero sense for you to just go from the Durance of Hate all the way North.
>>722440936How? It's exactly the same as everything else, except they throw in a MONSTER KILLED bar and eventually you kill enough trash monsters and a boss spawns. It's about as fun and involved as doing pit runs in Diablo 2, which is not particularly fun.
>>722432806I just got done playing this game farming my ass off for months and I only saw a rune higher than an ist drop a single time, and this was doing extremely fast 8 player chaos runs with that bullshit assassin build. I'm talking clearing the entire place in 1 minute fast. If I can go on some chinese farmer website and spend PENNIES to bypass actual months of farming, you better believe I'm doing that 100% of the time
>>722409687>CLICK>CLICK>BOOM>I'M COMING DOWN ON THE STEREO>HEAR ME ON THE RADIO>CLICK>CLICK>BOOM>I'M COMING DOWN WITH A NEW STYLE>AND IT'S BUCK WILD
immunities
>>722440995Mapping is the same shit with more hoops and more determination, which is bad.
>>722441856>with more hoops and more determinationWhich is good. There is more variation with PoE's maps and there are even unique maps with special bosses. D3's grifts are just timed monster bloat over and over and over until you get bored of it and quit.
>>722432806Grinding is not fun you massive fucking faggot.
>>722442020>Which is good.No. You should never be able to influence the modifiers of an activity you do.
>>722442024Yes it is. You're just an adhd addled zoom zoom.
>>722441856Rifts are like if you were stuck farming maps with no affixes, no atlas, no random encounters, forever. All you can do is upgrade map tiers. It's so fucking boring.
>>722440686>I mean, I'm inclined to agree with the other anonWhy would I help you then
>>722441758Sundered Charms.
>>722442193No it's not, you have autism and are being exploited.
>>722442359I'm not being exploited because I've already beaten the game without grinding. I'm doing it because it's fun.
>>722442445No, you're doing it because you have autism and are easily addicted to repetitive bullshit.
>>722442532People get addicted to fun activities. You're just jealous because you hate everything good in the world. Take those adhd meds zoomie.
>>722442645Grinding is not fun.
>>722443074UUUUNTA but I enjoy grinding too
>grinding for expGay.>hunting for specific itemsBased.
>>722440936>Rifts are the best endgame system any arpg ever had.Boss Baby 2 ass comment
>>722443551Both are shit.
Perspective on or off?
>>722409687shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shutupshutupshutupshutupshutupSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTPUSHUTSPUTHSUPTHU
>>722409687>>CLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICK>monster diesI just watched a challenge run where a guy oneshot every single enemy in the game on an untwinked character from the first Fallen all the way to Baal
>>722445116>just watched that myself a few hours agoGet out of my head, Charles.
>>722409687The gameplay loop of 95% of games
Playing a Frenzy barb for the first time right now, I don't really feel confident about the mechanics so just to double check, I'm supposed to build up my Frenzy and then switch to other attack types, correct? If I go pure Frenzy it seems a lot worse than going Frenzy then Double Swing.
>>722409551>0 flawsHow about you play the game for 5 minutes and try moving around?Game controls like ass compared to any game made in the last 20 years.
QRD on path of exile and grim dawn?
>>722409551>0 flawslol
>>722409619Without manaregen runeword merc I'm not sure I would be able to play d2 anymore. I'm too spoiled
>>722447284Path of Exile has a lot more content but is more time-punishing when you deviate from a viable build. Grim Dawn feels more like a custom WC3 RPG map, tiny boring stiff bullshit.
>>722447203>I don't really feel confident about the mechanicsEver notice how everyone who likes rpgs is a helpless retard
>>722447417There's no punching bag/dummy system to measure real DPS in D2R so I don't know which is actually better
>>722436859even their death sound was hot.and then you see a dead chick with her ass sticking out. They knew full well what they were doing.
>>722447621I like to imagine that one darker pixel in the middle of her buttcrack is her asshole
>>722447287>Lurk /v/ for decades>everyone loves D2, Fallout 2, FF6, etc etc etc>post 2019>everyone hates D2, Fallout 2, FF6, Chrono Trigger, basically every classic game millennials grew up withI fucking hate you zoomers with a passion. You broccoli-headed retards are so fucking gay that you cannot even hang out with your friends without wanting to suck each others cocks. You're the reason humanity evolved to hate the younger generation. Get the fuck out of my hobby
>>722417931probably a nightmare to design for and balance, theres 20+ runes and you need to do a fuckton of combinations between all of them and make them worth building (hell, Diablo 2 didn't even get a decent cham runeword until recently). Even most diablo 2 runewords arent that great, theres the several broken ones everyone knows and loves amongst a graveyard of dogshit wastes of space everyone forgets about.Not to mention you have to find a way to show players what combinations exist without making it overwhelming. Everyone builds runewords with a guide open next to them.
>>722447763>zoomersYou did not browse /v/ before 2016 and you're a casual faggot.
>>722447870Shut the fuck up you irony poisoned zoomer FAGGOT.
At least we can all agree we want to fuck all the women in Diablo, from 1 to 4.
>>722448095Dibs on Charsi
Any good places to farm runes and exp in pd2? is it the same as vanilla d2? NM and hell
>>722447723What a convenient death pose. How thoughtful.
>>722448095>The ButcherAMERICAN WOMANSTAY AWAY FROM MEEE
>>722409687And that's why it's perfect
>>722447417It's noone's fault but your mother's that you're autistic and can't comprehend asking questions as a solution to a problem.
>>722447763I'm not a zoomer and I would bet money I've been here the longest out of anyone in this thread. D2 is OK at best and FF6 sucks. CT is fine.
I play Necro btw
>>722448694disgusting
>>722412746Since when did DSP play Diablo 2?
>>722448694disgustingPost more thick thigh dead raising delights
>>722447921I'm 35. No one that belongs here uses the word zoomer. You're a casual normalfag that sucks at video games.
>>722448621>D2 is OK at best and FF6 sucks(you)
>>722413226>twitchfound your problem
>>722432623Man I've been playing Diablo 2 since it came out, on and off, and I've only found one zod rune, ever. I'd say I have months of real playtime in it.
>>722409687Diablo sisters... not like this...
>>722409694>Diablo 3 did this better.
>>722448735Thiccmogged>>722448791Yes of course, average Summonmancer build
>>722449183Necrobros is this real?
>>722449248No, all female necromancer are flat
>>722449548In the thighs too? What a crying shame. All women should wear pantyhose and show some good thigh. The Chun Li example.
>>722409551>0 flawsEnigma exists
>>722449640Enigma goes very hardLove from KurastI hate demons so much it's unreal
>>722449775why did they have to make you do act 3 legit now. fucking faggots
>>722449775Kurac is a very funny area
>>722447417Diablo 2 has completely retarded mechanics that aren't explained anywhere. This really applies to any Diabloish game though.>>722447203Double Swing has a hidden 50% increased attack speed bonus, so at low levels it can be better to Frenzy up then Double Swing. There's also a secret technique to make dual wielding faster (or slower, if you do the opposite): you want to wield the fastest weapon on the left weapon slot, and the slowest weapon on the right weapon slot. It works such that a very fast weapon + a very slow weapon is significantly faster than two very fast weapons.
>>722448829Go make another ragebait, twitter, or e-celeb gooner thread, zoomer. You ain't fooling anyone. There is nothing that makes nu-/v/ angrier than a thread dedicated to a classic game.
>>722409685this is false.
Rape! Rape!Rape! Rape!
>>722449874They didn't like people skipping shit like the jungle and sewers, especially since you had to do Act 2 for the staff.Yeah, no one really likes it either. It was better when it was just WP Trav>Durance.
Kinda weird how they hide Diablo 2. Shan´t be playing Soi Demake 2
>>722409551>Ladder 12 started>Already got a Gheed's four hours into the resetI love this game bros.
>>722409687Hell yeah
The music in 1 and 2 is so good.
I kinda like PoE2's difficulty, especially for Acts 1-3 and I wish they had that difficulty for D4...Thinking about starting a witch for become a lich. maps kinda too big though.
>>722450047>There's also a secret techniqueIf you're playing D2R that got patched out. The other super sekrit tech is to use Double Swing and swap to Frenzy right when you're swinging then immediately swap back so it gives you frenzy stacks while using the Double Swing animation. Works in PVP too so you can stunlock someone to death.
>>722409687>CLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICK>"The sanctity of this place has been fouled.">take in the atmosphere>cast mana shield>listen to the beatiful soundtrack>kill Gharbad>listen to Lazaruses monomyth commentaries>space out listening to Paul Eiding's voice>drop and pick up the mushroom because it has a funny pick up sound>teleport to town>fix equipment>space out to Tristram Theme for 5 minutes>buy elixirs at Adria's>spin shit at that peg-legged ginger cunt>add a few tiles to my piss road of rejuvanation potions>click the cows 100+ times to try to get to the level
>>722449640Teleport in D2/D2R is brokenD2R should have introduced an early game runeword that grants unlimited Teleport
>>722451626>hacks ur account>takes ur gheedsheh, thanks for the mf kiddo
>>722409551Idk the lightning scarabs in act 2 are cancer if you get bad enemy spawns.
>>722454297>a2 faggot lair>someone leads>everyone stands behind one another>scarabslol
Best rune word armor for a act 2 merc?
>>722439764You're the worst person ever made.
>>722449640Enigma is amazing. Why do you dislike it?
any mod to make the paladin not a nigger?
>>722454695>normalanything>nightmaretreachery>helltreachery in a nightmare armour base>ggfortitude in an ethereal sacred armour with the highest defense you can find/buy/tradealso shoutout to duriel's shell, skullder's ire, smoke and lionheart
>>722454774Play the original
>>722450102/v/ never liked blizzard and you're an enormous newfag
>>722455685We loved Blizzard. That picture was made during the Diablo III arc iirc and it's mocking WoW players. We had daily threads mocking DIII the N64 graphics and the fact that they added rainbows to it.Diablo II is made by the OG Blizzard and it's a great game, you will never be an oldfag.
>>722456110>We loved BlizzardNo we didn't.>Diablo II is made by the OG Blizzard and it's a great gameYou didn't participate in anything /v/ did and I'm sure you whine and cry about things like touhou.
>>722456110We liked Blizzard North
>>722447723
>>722456710Broodwar is the best RTS ever made don't @t me
>>722455685>>722456269>implying /v/ doesn't love brood warThe absolute state of /v/ is appalling.
>>722457329PLAP[]'\;][';\;PLAPPA;S PLAP PALPAP!!!!!HHHHHNNNNNGGGHHH!!!!!DAMN BRATTY ROTTEN IMP CADAVER!!!!!UNFUNFUNF
>>722409551Boring. First game is better.
>>722409687Notice how no one can refute this, they just go,>Well, this is fun for me! So like uh
>>722457754t.
>>722457871bait but all games are artificial fun so his argument was invalid from the start
>>722453878I feel that exist... Maybe I found an item that enables teleport via charges...
>>722457861First game is better for the experience, not for replayability.
>>722457871>Well, this is fun for me!The only thing that matters tbqdesu
>>722454594I didn't know that faggot - like maggots - reproduce via slimey eggs. Huh!
>>722409687>>replace shitty equipment with slightly less shitty equipmentThis is the only part that's wrongThat's how modern games do loot, not how D2 did it.D2 is: 99% of loot is worthless, but when you do find something good it's really meaningful.
No rest for the wicked is going to save the genre...just wait..
>>722458019They do, magic staves and even amulets and ringsSorceress gets Teleport at level 21 which gives her an insane mobility advantage starting from Normal
>>722458019You can sometimes find items with teleport charges at the vendors yeah
>>722458091Yeah you'll notice that they're not conceived through natural means but through the demonic.
>>722409551Honestly started out good, but ultimately condemned the series into being a mindless PvE item-farming slot machine.I was kind of hoping runewords would be the end of the series, but shit just kept getting more and more retarded.
>>722458331It's true, without pumping xp, takes a good while to get to level 21. Mobility skills shouldn't be that late available.
>>722458496Explains the feral face features.
>>722457536>implying /v/ doesn't love brood war/v/ has never given a single shit about any rts
>>722456110This. That anon is fucking retarded. /v/ liked D2 for a long as I can remember until the last 5 years or so when it decided that every game millennials have nostalgia for is shit.
>>722459492No blizztards were relentlessly bullied and now the board is slow enough for morons to set up permanent generals here. It's like idiots saying /v/ always loved halo ce or something.And to begin with, this is totally irrelevant, as if you can't defend it now, well it doesn't deserve to permanently be here. If your response to criticism is: "uhhhh well I'm just a little piggy at my trough" that's not a very good justification for living here permanently with no discussion whatsoever and just occupying space on the catalogue to advertise the game.
>>722459934>advertise the gamelol
>>722459934There were regular threads where /v/ would play on a private server back in the day and there were no idiots like you shitting up the place. You're a newfag and it's obvious to anyone that was around back then. Just stop posting.
>>722460182"/v/" also had halo groups and the "/v/" private server is really just /r/slashdiablo. This is a really quite asinine and retarded statement to make.
>>722459308Lul
WHERE IS THIS ROUGE BITCHES HAMMER
>>722460492>Father I cannot find the Smith
>>722460372Are you ok, retard?
>>722460761The old threads on /v/ were tourists trying to spam here who got bullied into going to reddit. Then they set up a general on /vg/, which also recently died, and now it's back to desperately trying to occupy space on /v/. This place is polluted with shitty cliques trying to shill their dead meme games.
>>722460761I am wood
>>722460372Yeah, it also liked Team Fortress 2 and Halo instead of mindlessly hating on everything because it would rather talk about the culture war and twitch thots. Threads like this piss you off because it's actually dedicated to a classic video game.
>>722461028>a classic video gameYou aren't playing a "classic video game", you're looking to the past to find the dumbest most casual games imaginable. 90% of "classic game" threads are just poseurs playing the same 10 casual games on a cycle.
>>722461126>on a cycle.On a ladder reset*
I can’t believe you lose all your equipped shit when you die. What an ass mechanic.
>>722461126>90% of "classic game" threads are just poseurs playing the same 10 casual games on a cycle.Do you play old games? Post proof. I want to see if you actually have saves on your PC. I'm not doing this to brag. I actually like old games because I grew up with them but I highly doubt that you do.
>>722461849You don't?You can just find your body and pick your shit back up.
>>722461954Yeah in the third floor of the dungeon next to the AIdS enemy
>>722462015Get gooder
In the Stony Tomb now and the fucking bugs throw lightning and the skeletons throw lightning what the fuck that attack you can’t do anything
>>722461909I play all genres both old and new. Playing a shitty rpg is nothing to be proud of. If anything, wasting my time on this genre is my most enormous regret and all of it is total brainrot. When I was in intermediate school the computer lab had apple IIs and I played all the games retards like to masturbate over because I would stay several hours late due to my parents working. I feel absolutely nothing completing these games now.
>>722462326Nice. At least you practice what you preach. You're legitimately making shit up if you're trying to claim that old /v/ hated Diablo 2, though. You know that you're lying but you're doing it, anyway. You might not like it but you don't speak for an entire board.
D2R rekindled my love for the game bigly (i loved LoD but the updated graphics and shit was just sick)Nolifed it during covid and did the whole jsp thing with my trav horker/hammerdin etc but I got burned out. Also the bots just start so early on the ladder resets now that you literally cannot compete. You could find a Jah rune 2 days in and it'll still be just 1 Jah in a sea of fucking Jahs thanks to the botsBlizzard as usual has just put their best games in maintenance mode because they can't monetize it. I want to play the D2 mods like path of diablo or whatever but I cannot go back to the old graphics even though I love them. D2R spoiled me. If modders could somehow make that mod in the D2R engine I'd never leave my pc chair again
>>722462441>You're legitimately making shit up if you're trying to claim that old /v/ hated Diablo 2, thoughNo I'm not. I bet you think the people spamming bioware shit are "old /v/" too. These are all invaders and underages that shat up the board and caused a ton of problems. Additionally, the topic of the thread is " Diablo 2 is the best game ever" and obviously it isn't, it's an unironic 0/10 game and no one can defend its atrocious game design. Furthermore, the older a game gets, the more subject to criticism it should be because, HOPEFULLY, we are older and wiser now and less likely to get roped into bullshit but some people have made it their sole mission in life to find a way to crawl back into their mother's womb. I have zero attachment to old things. A game is either good or it isn't, there is no cultural pedestal which it gets to stand upon for free. When you behave this way you only encourage new games to be shit instead of good. People who cling to old trash are poisoning the well.
>>722462832Legitimate>do I fit in?moment.
What is it with this game and missing attacks. This game and Morrowind fucking hell what were they thinking in 2001.
>>722450047>you want to wield the fastest weapon on the left weapon slot, and the slowest weapon on the right weapon slot. It works such that a very fast weapon + a very slow weapon is significantly faster than two very fast weapons.I did not know this, thanks
>>722463001Go ahead and keep pretending youre showing the "zoomers" wot's wot by pushing your stupid mistakes on them, like your childhood has explicit value.
>>722462832look at this retard
>>722462832Why tranny pic?
>>722462832Old /v/ did like Mass Effect and Baldur's Gate, too. Why do you think you're the sole judge of who is allowed to post here or who is "an invader?" Do you think people should only discuss JRPGs? Again, you're making shit up because you cannot accept the fact that someone likes something that you don't. /v/ didn't have any problem with western games until very recently because schizos like you make it your life mission to shit up every thread. I'm 40 years old. You're presumably an old man, too. Why are you still acting like a fucking child?
>>722462832Mahiro poster i am dissapoint son
Why does this game have a stamina bar for sprinting and why didn’t redirected remove it
>>722462832amazingjust amazingnow go back to where you came from
>>722463250>Old /v/ did like Mass Effect and Baldur's Gate, tooNo NMA and goon types raided and shitted up the board. /v/ ultimately becoming attracted to NV is the ultimate irony to me because Sawyer is a literal goon from SA that openly maligned 4chan and tried to destroy it.>Do you think people should only discuss JRPGsI think people should broaden their horizons and be good enough at games by now to not cling to stupid casual shit. The bulk of the games you play should not be rpgs of any variety.
>>722463371>he's too poor to afford stamina potsngmi
>>722462832>People who cling to old trash are poisoning the well.
>>722463710Yeah none of that picture would have happened if you moved on from shitty bioware games. You're just getting what you deserve now.
>>722463803can someone explain this autism
Playing Diablo 2 makes me realise that Path of Exile 2 stole every single level so far from this game.
>>722464240>cling to retarded casual game>due to its poor foundations and normalfag appeal, it becomes a neoliberal sjw blockbusterIf you keep living like this and never growing everything you like will become shit. That game existing is due to the success of its brand. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Vielguard is the stupid prize and it's what you deserve.
>>722464467>>due to its poor foundations and normalfag appeal, it becomes a neoliberal sjw blockbustertrue xister
I dunno /v/ I don’t think it’s that great. Im 8 hours in and it’s just not there.The random generation does really add anything. Combat literally boils down to using one skill, sometimes using some spacing. Enemies and boss fights are terribly annoying. The OST is very well done but there’s no blending of it between areas, so you’ll have one track playing for ages.The voice acting and cutscenes are S+, and navigating the more tight dungeons gives off a good Diablo 1 feel from time to time.I think it’s a good 7/10 game, but it’s not an Ocarina, and it’s not a Phantasy Star Online. There’s a lack of design language in the game that leads it down a path of mindlessness.
>>722464708No one is going to turn daioujou black label into a soap opera about gender issues. Dragon Age was always a bad game, everything bioware made was always bad. Your behavior and choice of game is what led to Veilguard existing. And I bet you'll keep calling me a newfag while posting sharty shit.
>>722464240>i don't like thing
>>722464889>Your behavior and choice of game is what led to Veilguard existingbut i did nothing
>>722465065You bought and played a shitload of bioware games and made it a defining experience of your childhood. This is the end result and the takeaway from that should be to not do it again, not blame it on some dumb culture war. Just play less shit games.
>>722464815as someone who loved pso, you're a fucking idiot if you think that holds a candle to d2.
>>722465174i think you are confusing me for someone elsei never bought a single bioware game
>>722409694Based.
>>722465174>This is the end resultthat's pretty cool, seeing them bought out by saudi royalty was the best thing that could happen. all that blood money, the modern day slavery, the religious fanaticism, the oppression of women. everything that bioshit devs always cried wolf about came true for them, and they can't do anything but seething and cope and be fearful of what's about to happen next. it's beautiful
>>722465175NTA but pso has a better ost than diablo 2 nglhttps://youtu.be/pxDP6RI-DMI
>>722464815>Combat literally boils down to using one skill, sometimes using some spacing. The viking dude from D2 juggles leaps,shouts,swings and bashes iirc.
This avatarnigger is one of the biggest faggots on /v/.
>>722465314It's the same shit with blizzard and ubisoft and bethesda and any other big company. All garbage. And never play a game you wouldn't pay for, that's the very best advice I can give. I think you'll find your standards are much higher when you have to fork over money for your entertainment.
>>722465175The boss fights in PSO are grand. In D2 it’s just some dude in the corner.The games aren’t worlds apart, they’re basically the same game but PSO isn’t frustrating like D2. Western C/ARPGs of the time were all archaic. The Japanese equivalents of the time are nicer to play now because the built up from that golden age of Nip development.
>>722465570I’m just playing a Paladin. Maybe someone’s gonna chime in and say how Auras are only meant for co-op play or whatever, but even if that wasn’t the case, the enemies and bosses don’t give enough options to deal with them.
>>722465901>And never play a game you wouldn't pay for, that's the very best advice I can givethats what i did
>>722465805yo my favorite streamer said diablo 2 is mad pog fr fuck this anime nigga nocap
>>722465175What do you feel is miles ahead in D2 compared to PSO?
>>722466198Imagine spending your Saturday night schizoposting in a thread about a game that you hate for hours on end. You're a middle aged, pathetic loser. You should honestly just kill yourself.
>>722466684This is the spirit of old /v/, deal with it kiddo
>>722422225You are an underage, retarded, zoomer moron.
>>722466767Old /v/ actually played games and enjoyed them. You don't even play video games. You just seethe about them.
>>722466826>Old /v/ actually played gamesTrue.>enjoyed themBig wrong.>You don't even play video gamesI played video games for 5 hours today.
>Run out of Javelins>they still occupy inventory space>can't repair themOld game is Old
>>722409551shame it's just a hamster wheel
>>722466897If posters like you were rangebanned, this website would improve. You are absolute fucking cancer.
>>722467071If posters like me were rangebanned it would just be slavs and jeets bumping generals about moldy old rpgs
The series gets better as it goes along, as far as gameplay is concerned. I like 2’s tone the best because it feels like a big continent crossing adventure, where 4 is too macabre, 3 is too WoW-y and 1 too oppressive.
>>722463452Yes they fucking did, I was there. Noone liked NMA.
>>722459934No, WoW players were bullied. Mods used to ban you for posting WoW on /v/. They didn't touch Diablo threads, or Starcraft or pre-WoW Warcraft threads.
recently started playing d2 again, having fun leveling and grinding on my javazon, thinking of starting a rares only run with bowa seems autistic enough to be a fun run.
>>722468447Autistic is right. Bowa has shit damage and rares aren't going to fix that issue.
>>722468486figured i'd fuck around with decoy, a merc, and valkyrie and see what happens.
>>722409687This, it isn't just D2, the whole genre sucks ass. Fuck anyone who plays this shit you're holding gaming back.
>>722466370Atmosphere, visuals, gameplay speed, actually having a skill system, mechanical complexity. All of PSO's complexity is tied up in mags and section IDs.
>>722409687>current PoE and diablo>spam one aoe spell forever
>>722409551I fucked up and started as trapsin. Cant kill anything on hell
>>722468613What mechanical complexity is there in 2? Tell me how you would fight Andariel
>>722468553How does playing a 25 year old game hold gaming back? No one is stopping you from playing your RPG Maker hentai games or whatever trash you like. Games of all genres will continue to be released. This has no effect on JRPGs, colony sims, strategy games, etc.
>>722437585That would be sick actually.
>>722468906Depends on the class and build.
after all these years killing cows is still kino, how can any other arpg compete with this
>>722469276Is this real
>>722468447Is this Hell or Nightmare?
>>722469340It's clearly ai generated.
>>722469343nightmare, going to finish hell soon though.
>>722465549pso does have an amazing ost, I would rank them even giving a slight advantage to pso because I never look up d2 ost, but I do listen to pso and its nice.>>722465905mmm, nah. The only fight in d2 that you can say that about are duriel and baal.The fights in pso are slightly better except for del roy le which is fucking horse shit especially on the mission fight. That's easily worse than all the bad bosses in d2 combined.>>722466370 what that other anon said. Pacing is d2 is also superior and doesn't get anywhere near as boring as pso in act 2 underground or act3, or the ruins. Shit just drags and the map design is super bland. Not enough enemy variation either.
>>722409687>stare at screen>press buttons and move mousewtf video games are lame
>>722409959also act 5 is mediocre
>>722432806Mindless grinding is not "fun" and anyone who thinks otherwise is a pavlovian dog.
>>722410150Quiet zoomie, the Millennials are talking.
>>722469340there is no cow level
>>722469869i love getting stoned or drinking and playing a mob grinder, weather its d2, or borderlands, or even something like black desert something about endlessly killing mobs for a chance at super rare items is so therapeutic to me, i live for that shit.
>>722425278I'm genuinely a frogposter
>>722425910builded for twinking
>>droolers itt pretending isometric Cookie Clicker has gameplay worth discussing
>>722468942Expectations, you talking like this is the best shit ever created makes devs want to capitalize on your stupidity. They could be making better games but you're holding them back.
>>722470373It's like using a back scratcher
paladin is so fucking boring
>>722470494I never said that. You're thinking up scenarios in your head and getting angry about them.
>>722409551Buildslop
>>722409687this is proof you don't even play D2gold is useless and you don't even need to pick up loot and sell it
>>722409551the game is just farming mephisto with sorc and doing baal runs though
>>722436725Maybe you're gay?
>>722409551So /v/, it's been a day of Ladder already... you do have your double Spirit and MF gear ready, right? I mean, you should've by now, given how good you people are at video games.
>>722468058>jannies were the ones bullyingHello newgirl
>>722409551I got fed up with running through empty space and one-shotting all the pathetic enemies halfway through act 3. The farmable respawning enemies in static environments makes it even more pathetic. I can't take its attempts to seem grimdark seriously when it's easier than a kid's game.>but it gets good 200 hours in!No thanks. D1 was infinitely better despite all its deep flaws.
>>722473130Set it to P8 if it's too easy for you big man.Better yet, set it to P64.
>>722473303>just make the stat blobs higherReal dad gaming hours, just like skyrim difficulty scaling
>>722473303I'll reinstall and give it a shot, but between how I'll spam AoE either way and how XP gain also scales up I highly doubt it will fix it.
>>722465805it's amazing isn't it
>>722467120this poster is obviously from gcj or somewhere similarnotice how they all say people who disagree with them are indians or russians or their bots
>>722473957>>722474002This salt is a little TOO obvious
>>722470819always has been... in every single game btw, this is not exclusive do d2
>>722409551>goes back to town every 3 minutes to buy potionswow SICK gameplay dude!!
>>722472157I only play non-ladder
>>722409551>0 flawsEverting post act1. At least MedianXL makes the game enjoyable.
>>722409551Its kinda boring though.
>>722437585PSO had tons of uniques but they also still mostly had interesting properties. Best part is that they were actually meta since generics were simple and uncustomizable anyways. It was super based.
>>722409694diablo3 uniques were completely worthless at launch which is gay
*Installs a mod to increase all drop rates by 10000%*This changes D2 from a weird skinner box for mentally ill people to a video game.
>>722475214what mod, I kinda wanna just WIN and not run bosses a billion times for a shako
>>722475250There's quite a few of them available for all versions of the game.
>>722475214>>722475368>not just doing the ritual
Why do I need good loot when everything dies in 1 hit
What's the best base for Infinity?
>>722475516it's a psuedo-mmo game, anon
>>722475592thresheror giant thresher but that one's just rarer
>>722409551Diabolos 4 won
just reopened this game after yearscan i build the new runewords or is it still ladder only?also holy fuck what the fuck happened to traderie? everyone is asking for jah runes left and rightjah runes are the new ist runes
>>722475971Diablo 4 more like Negro 4
>>722476284shut the frick up dumb n word
>>722476124it's early laddershit is generally more expensive
>>722476548i meant non-ladderalso every faggot is asking for specific small charms, do they not intend to sell or am i missing something?
>>722476618i don't play non ladder so idkbut it's not surprising everyone wants specific small charms for optimization
I'm tempted to paypig, is JSP the best or is it one of the bot paypig sites like RPGStash?
>>722468613>mechanical complexityIf by mechanics you strictly mean itemization, I suppose that would make sense, which tracks for this thread. There's a lot more to its core mechanics though. Normal attacks are actually relevant for one, and not only are they totally different for each weapon type, different classes also have different animations, so crowd control requires a much more sophisticated use of various weapon and spell types depending on the enemies, and spacing is a constant consideration. There's also more to hitstun, lock-on, gimmicks, etc., and especially traps later on.>>722469618Sounds like you never played past episode 1 normal. All those aspects get a huge boost in episodes 2 and 4 and again in ultimate. I have to hard disagree on the pacing though, PSO is a pure and smooth dungeon crawl while that's one of D2's biggest weak points.
>>722423576PD2 is the best game in existence as of October 2025
>>722409551how is diablo 4 on steam deck?i might give it a chance
>still no option to stack similar runes, coomsoomables and a dedicated coomsoomables tab>still stuck at 3 shared stashes, meanwhile there are mods out there for og d2lod that can push stashes to like 50-100+>no special stash to keep your sets and uniques which is a nice boon for autist completionists
>>722475516You don't. You've won the game. It's time to play something else for awhile until you feel like starting over with a new character