Why can't Toby fox write a healthy relationship between mothers and their children?
>>722410649The better question is why is he so insistent on depicting fathers as inept or worthless.
>>722411208Asgore was in a hard spot and Rudy has AIDs.
>why can’t a leftist parasite who stole his entire career from Andrew Hussie and uses his game to hook up with feminists write well???
>>722411208gay furries usually become furries because of extremely disfunctional families that make you lose interest in humanity and to seek solace in some kind of fictional worldt. furry
>>722410649He could, but then he'd lose a good source of drama. He wants more drama therefore no healthy parent-child relationships are allowed.
>>722411208Rudy is great? He just has cancer
>>722410649Bradleys mom
>>722411773BASED
does she even have parents?
>>722411837I bet she’d speak in yiddish and does the typical jewish mom thing.
>>722410649The side character's have good moms in general. Like the chad Cattenheimer's have a strong supporting family that go to their kids work and cheer them on. Incredibly based and familypilled.On the other hand, the main characters are all mentally ill children so they have poor relationships with their moms. Kris is an autist who refuses to communicate with his parent so Toriel has to play guessing games with him and Noelle is having emotional breakdowns over electrical outlets and her mom is like, "wtf its just an outlet!?" and is painted as a bad parent for it.
>>722412804I wonder how Carol was with Dess.
>>722412696alphys got molested at a young age and Susie is her secret daughter
>>722411773>Ironically posting BBC editsI don't get shartytroons sometimes, the fact you have that stuff saved on your computer says more about you than any of the people you seethe at.
>>722413030alphys was raped by barney
>>722410649Well, obviously Fox has/had a bad relationship with his parents and people like him can't write anything that doesn't strictly follow on from his own experiences/perspective. That isn't out of arrogance, they're just not very creative.This is also why "The REAL enemy was DEPRESSION all along!" is such a common thing in games like Deltarune. "Depression" is the only kind of actual problem any of these safely left-wing millennial indie devs have ever brushed up against, so they make the entire world revolve around that (while stuff like, say, "war" is kind of just a meme).
>>722413030>her secret daughterI thought of Rory Nite being Noelle's secret cousin
>>722413490>"The REAL enemy was DEPRESSION all along!"hehehehehehehehehehe
>>722413030>Molested No it was entirely consensual
>>722411837Has got it going on
>>722410649Carol is really the only bad mother in the series. Toriel has a good relationship with Kris outside of the Chapter 4 incident.
>>722411374Yard, go to bed
>>722414146>Carol is really the only bad mother in the series. Ahem
>>722414351Read the rest of the post, retard.
>>722414717That's Deltarune toriel you're talking about which is not what I posted
>>722414864Undertale Toriel isn't a bad mom, either. She did alright with Chara and Asriel.
Moms are weird
>>722414967>She did alright with Chara and Asriel.Both died on her watch and she knowingly let seven others go thereafter to their deaths (she knows with the certainty of fact that humans she lets out to go to Asgore will die and admits as much to you)
>>722415226I'm not sure if this is being fair to her, or if it makes her worse, but she doesn't really treat humans as peoples end of.Did fuck up with Asriel though.
>>722415226It's not Toriel’s fault that Chara was a little shit plotting behind her back. She wasn't the mother of the dead kids, either. So that’s just being a bad person, not a bad mother.
>>722415226Don't forget about her scolding Asgore about him not "just taking one" and going to get 6 more in the village in front of a child who never harmed anyoneAbsolutely psychotic behavior
>>722414967Asriel was a wimp (probably from getting babied) and Chara was able to slip past her the whole time.
>>722415883That's Chara's fault from being a little shit rather than Toriel’s. Toriel and Asgore didn't see Chara as their child.
>>722410649Leftists like Toby see the world backwards, so he thinks gay and interspecies relationships are good, while heterosexual marriage and having children are bad.
>>722410649Toby is incapable or unwilling to write a straight relationship that isn’t dysfunctional or a two bit background characters. The Dreamurs and Holidays are broken in some fashion. The cat family is one note joke background characters and even then that cost an arm. Toby can’t tease Krusie without making sure they were nb/bi or whatever. Even Burgerpants is getting catfished into some doomed yaoi subplot.
>>722412772No, that's more of a Snowy's mom thing
>>722413830Lol
Why did Noelle force me to rape her? Is she stupid?
>>722415665As if the the whole fucking game doesn't do that already.
>>722412804Toriel is an alcoholic homewrecker who's incapable of admitting she can do wrong. Its her fault Kris is that way.
>>722415054Is she going to eat him?
>>722417294>homewreckerThat word doesn't mean what you think it means unless you think Asgore and Rudy should fuck.
>>722412696Nope, she lives with Alphys as a foster child
>>722416304>Toriel and Asgore didn't see Chara as their child.yes they did
>>722411837Why does she look like she fucks young human boys?
>>722416579>interspecies relationships are goodThey are
>>722416858>The cat family is one note joke background charactersThis is funny to me, are people here unironically looking for "representation" despite not being married or having kids at all?
>>722417431She left Agore and fucked a fat ugly skeleton. The Dreemurr home was wrecked in the process. She is a homewrecker in spirit.
>>722410649i swear the fandom has gaslit itself into thinking carol is an abusive parent based solely on her not liking susie
>>722412582the fuck are you doing here Cheshire
>>722410649Temmy and hard boiled egg
>>722412696insufficient snoot
>>722417618Nah, they didn't. Toriel says Chara was just someone she met and Asgore only says he misses his child, singular. It's the other monsters who viewed them as part of the family.
>>722417770We want it because its nice, not because we need to look at a character and say "look, its me".
>>722417786We don't know why the divorce happened but she fucked Sans literal years after it.
>>722417943>Toriel says Chara was just someone she metWhere is this line from?
Am I the only one who didn't like Berdly and Susie's stories? I found them very generic, and I don't just mean the plot, but also the moment and the way they were told.
Post your reaction when the krusie kiss happen in chapter 5 festival
>>722417770It’s not a “I need representation” and more this is how Toby writes characters.
>>722418017>We don't know why the divorce happenedIt happened because of Toriel. Asgore very clearly didn't want a divorce and gave no good rason fofr one. (no, being a conspiracy theorist is not grounds for divorce)>she fucked Sans literal years after it.It doesn't matter how long. She still divorced Asgore and fucked an ugly bastard skeleton.
>>722418048Alarm Clock.
>>722418082Yes. Berdly is my favorite lightner. Or at least he was until Toby made him gay.
>>722417943Yeah Toriel and Asgore cared about Chara so little Asgore declared war on humans again, buried Chara at his place, kept the locket, then Toriel took Chara body all the way to the Ruins to bury her there.
>>722417321Nah just checking if it's hers
>>722418082It's true that “Oh, I don't have any friends because I've always been moving around” is pretty bland backstory for Toby Fox.
>>722417842
>>722418418Personally I like it because it confirms that there’s shit outside of this place and it’s not some hellscape removed from space-time where nothing exists beyond what we can see
Honestly, I can kind of get why Asgore wouldn't see Chara as his kid, he probably sees the immediate issues with the plan.Really, it's weird that Toriel doesn't.
>>722418594There's a whole street there that we don't see in game
>>722411487As a fatherless faggot, I concur with this.
>>722417943The monsters say that Toriel and Asgore treated Chara as their own child. Chara lived under the same roof as the Dreemurrs, she shared the table with them, she shared a room with Asriel. In the winter dialogue both Asgore and Toriel seem to remember Chara fondly.You can argue if she was actually adopted by them all you want but practically, they were part of the family.
>the special kind of derangement that causes people to defend UT Toriel no matter what>when even people who want to be /ss/'d by her can admit that she's a terrible mother and personPeople are allowed to be awful sometimes, you know? Not everyone gets an excuse, or an out, or a justification for their behavior. They're just cunts.
>>722418764This also doesn't mean that you can't like them, even if the rational part of your brain recognizes it's a bad idea.
>>722418103Waking up.
>>722418323You can care about someone without adopting them, anon. That's not mutually exclusive.
>>722418740I am arguing they didn't see Chara as being literally their child. They obviously care about her but she probably wasn't going to be adopted and treated as a daughter.
>>722410649>Why isn't everyone in this story happy and healthy and normal?Because that would be boring dipshit
I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but if Noelle were exactly the same character but as boy, the troonsbians who love Suselle would hate her a million times worse than they hate Berdly
>>722416941Snowy's mom is more of a "Jewish mom in Germany circa 40's".
>>722418082If it wasn't for the fact Queen hated the fuck out of Berdly I don't think I could have tollerated that part of the game. Whatever trope he is, it's the worst. Like it's not even worth the joke the guy is trash without being a bad person.Susie is not as annoying but she's also this go-getter that is also a bully and it's this weird mix of traits. I think it's great that she learns she could be heroic but I kinda felt like that transition was abrupt.I really wish Berdly wasn't in the game. Just a complete drag. I get that they're just kids but that Berdly kid never could understand how fucking awful they were behaving despite not being bad.
>>722417943>Toriel says Chara was just someone she metYeah that's why she stole away Chara's body from Asgore's crypt and carried it all the way across the Underground to give them a proper burial in a place that was important to them and keeps vigil over their grave to this dayas an acquaintance does
>>722418764It’s unironically bias of her being nice to you and making you call her mom and the waves of porn that made people defend her hellishly in UT days.Only now in Deltarune do people start to realise she’s a giant bitch and slowly turn to Asgore.Toby has a golden opportunity with this 5th chapter, if he squanders it and makes Asgore look like a fucking imbecile I’ll have given up entirely on the character writing that isn’t Sans or schizo bosses.
>>722411837Imagine the farts?
>>722419853>tropeBerdly post
>>722412696>>722413030Alphys had a fling with an older human when she was a teenager and got pregnant. Same guy also impregnated a human girl in Hometown and then ran away, and the girl ended up taking her life after Toriel first talked her out of abortion and then began to shame her for having a kid out of wedlock. That kid was Kris and he's Susie's half-brother
>>722418764>>722419938I can't wait for Chapter 5 to come out and for Asgore to be a pathetic failure who dies/kills himself again and for you whiny fags to shit your diaper about Toby being mean to your daddy again
>>722419617She's as creepy as Berdly, but since she's a girl and more shy about it than Berdly who is also arogant, the trans fandom giving her a break. Toby can't seriously think suselle is a good idea
>>722415054I still don't understand how you guys figured out how he looks if you didn't get a picture of his oc
>>722420079I really REALLY don't like the idea that Kris is yellow because he's Alphys's SPAWN.
>>722419905>>722419196
>>722410649Too busy making healthy relationships between the MC and deer ladies.
>>722420145>Toby can’t seriously think suselle is a good ideaA-anon…
>>722417485I would take this over the idea Alphys isn’t a thirty something year old virgin
>>722420393No, they share the deadbeat father, not the mother. Kris is fully human, Susie is half-human.
>>722411208Asgore is just a wimp he's not a bad dad.
>>722420607>Alphys isn’t a thirty something year old virginBut that's the best part
>>722411208Rudy is the best character though
>>722420538Well, let's review the facts. Arguments for Suselle happening:>Toby thinks that Alphdyne was good>Toby made some vague comments during stream>unused sprites>his team has susellefags who may influence his decisionsArguments for Suselle being set to fail:>Alphdyne was actually written better, yet Toby's writing improved everywhere else>one of the first things Toby wrote for the game was Krusie scene>he is watching fandom and must be aware how popular Krusie is right now, especially after "I won" tweet>Kris is Toby's self-insert>Toby wrote some genuinely romantic scenes for Krusie in chapter 4
SEMPER FIDELIS TYRANNOSAURUS
>>722420920Also choosing between the girls as a satire of dating simulator routes doesn't work if the girls hook up
>>722420920Toby knows the audience he’s fostered would rip him to pieces if he didn’t placate their gay ships.
>>722421584Toby has to be a millionaire several times over and set for life so why would he care
>>722420145Noelle is way worse than Berdly. I think Noelle is the shittiest person in the entire cast. If any other character talked shit about their friends the way Noelle does they'd be reviled by the community.
>>722421584Except that unlike Alphdyne, which is widely accepted outside of few fringe groups like /v/, Suselle is only liked by a vocal minority. Fucking Tumblr gave up on it after chapter 4, and even Reddit was making Noelle chair memes.
>>722421864Suselle is actually still pretty popular on Xitter and Reddit. People are just trying to add Kris to the ship post Chapter 4.
>>722421651Because he’s a part of that ingroup and still works in the media field as a VA so if he wants to keep his social position he’ll continue to play ball.
>>722410649>>722411208Catti's parents are cool people, both the mom and dad.
I’m getting really tired of people assessing characters based purely on feeling like their self-insert fuckmeat is threatened
>>722420920I think people are interpreting this wrong way, because both sides may be right here1. Suselle is bad on purpose because its a symptom of Noelle post traumatic experience where she distance herself from Kris and wants to be bullied by the Bully as some sort of punishment2. The game gives you option to pick Noelle choices (to follow Kriselle after healing her Dess trauma), Susie choices (She can decide to friendzone Noelle for Krusie bowl) and Ralsei choices (where by default Suselle could happen after solving the trauma and starting fresh as close friends)Basically Toby is doing Persona 4 Kanji and Naoto. They can grow to become a thing but only if you really friendzone them yourself. On the other hand I'm sure Susie will cheer for Kriselle and Noelle will cheer for Krusie in those routes in chapter 7. So yeah if people see "Suselle hints" its because they do exist so that it woudnt be awkard in Suselle/Kralsei route when it suddenl happen out of nowhere. But it doesnt mean its 100% canonm because Susie is definetly undecided how she see Noelle and Kris
>>722419853Berdly’s a euphoric r/atheism mod, simple as. >>722410649Because only someone from a dysfunctional family like Kris would perform the soul swapping we see in game and (perhaps begrudgingly) submit themselves to the player’s control. Or open dark fountains or go along with Ralsei’s plans and lies instead of nope-ing the fuck out in chapter 1 (we know Kris still has a great deal of free will even if we control them). It is necessary, in some sense, for Kris’ family to be this way for the story to work.
>>722410649sex with Carol THOUGH>>722411208running theory (for me) is that Toby Tobertson is making Deltrarune as an indirect autobiography. This is just how he grew up, missing girl he liked and all. Women are bitches, men are worthless, he was friends with a Butters-tier loser (Ralsei) and a really hot bitch that he regrets not marrying (Susie)
>>722421314Your choices don't matter ^_^
I think Toby is weird.
>>722421584If Toby gave a shit about appeasing that tumblr audience he would already make 999 tributes and twitter posts claiming Kris is non binary trans hekkin chungus or shit like that. He didn't do it in peak woke era of 2018-2023 and he isn't doing this now. Guy is still a Japanophile and JRPG simping weaboo. Based on games like Persona, Chrono Trigger or Dragon Quest its very likely he will want to give his Japanese fans the choice of picking their favourite waifu or just encourage yuri if they prefer Susie as platonic buddy. Player choice is unironically the main key here, even if the narration say otherwise.
>>722422290>he was friends with a Butters-tier loser (Ralsei) and a really hot bitch that he regrets not marrying (Susie)you forgot about the third one, Andrew Hussie (Noelle)
>>722421952>not my ingroup, Toby wept, as he realised he didn't need to work another day in his life and could easily make a new online identity someday
>>722421864>Suselle is only liked by a vocal minorityIt's funny how delusional you guys are
>>722422290Ralsei is whatshisface though
>>722410649Would Berdly x Noelle actually work out?They do have more background together than other interactions
>>722422112Do people really think you'll be able to wingman your favorite characters together? Nah nigga, that shit is predetermined, the characters are gonna end up with who they want no matter how many Kriselle or Krusie ''moments'' you stack together
>>722422872i don't think berdly x anyone would work out
>>722422758Uh-huh, sure
>>722418082I like Berdly because he is, unfortunately, literally me.
>>722422942Kriselleweenies…
>>722422984I like you
>>722412696Of course not. Man, people need to replay ch. 1, Susie was a walking school shooter implied to have mutilated other students. She's absolutely killing everything in sight in ch. 1's dark world no remorse.
Susie was bullied for her looks and she attributed it meaning she can never be girly
>>722422942>Third place even after we raided the pollNot that bad.
>>722417770Here you go >>722422005That’s why I brought them up, because this is what everyone responds with when you make this statement. They’re background characters who only exist to be a mirror opposite of Catti. I don’t care about any “representation” but I have to mention them or else you just get this response every time.
>>722423106>Susie was a walking school shooter implied to have mutilated other studentsI genuinely think some of you just played Ribbit and confused it for the actual game
>>722411208Asgore was depicted as bad because he contributed to the deaths of a bunch of humans but he was never shown as irredeemable and a ton of people liked him, it was just Toriel who couldn't stand him anymore. He's arguably even more sympathetic in Deltarune, Toriel doesn't have the sheer disdain she had for him in Undertale, although he definitely acts quite a bit more pathetic.
>>722422758It's mostly tumblr fags who support it along with Spamtena. As much vocal and loud they are, its probabl at best 10% of the fandom who will pick Suselle, while 90% either will pick Kriselle or Krusie. Only streamers will try to make Suselle happen to show support to gay shit and to not reveal their waifu autism
>>722422872As much as CattixNoelle, they have some background but its too little and both are very ignored minor characters to really make any ship with them work. Berdly exist mostly as a joke comic relief. I doubt Toby will even bother to make a Kerdly romance route as a joke
>>722410649Deltarune is just the new Homestuck but with a large ratio of trannies
Suselle bros, what was your favourite part about the relationship? For me it was when they always randomly started talking about Kris.
>>722422901Absolute delusion. You literally haven't play any japanese game, while Toby did along with actual eroges that had nothing else beside waifu routes and porn
>>722423687If popularity implied canon ships Toby would've made Frans canon long time ago. I don't think Toby genuinely cares about ship popularity when writing his game.
>>722422579Your problem is believing Toby isn’t the exact same kind of person as his audience. He doesn’t leave because he’s exactly where he wants to be.
>>722424021He doesn't leave because Undertale was always the stepping stone to making the game he actually dreamt of making, and that game is currently unfinished. Which would make your problem being an idiot.
>>722413030here's the molester
>>722422901>game changes interactions and dialogs based on literal meaningless shit like whether you eat the moss before Susie escape or if you eat it with Susie when she's in the group>but you totally won't have any control over your typical anime self insert protag for romance endingretard, you have to stop seeing Deltarune as western RPG, because Toby is 100% only interested in what Japanese fans think about the game
>>722423809For me, it's that literally the only thing they have in common is that they both like that one videogame and Kris I guess
>>722423809For me it's Noelle completely ignoring every attempt by Susie to bare her soul in front of her, instead always turning the conversation to herself or Kris.
>>722424226Toby didn't make the most popular Japanese ships of Undertale canon, so I don't think he will do it as well here.
Shipkeks really think the endgame of Deltarune is Kris walking into the sunset with his HMOFA slampig and all the other plotlines are thrown in the dumpster
>>722423809When it ended.
>>722424226>>722423870Nah, I'm trusting Toby's words on this one. Your choices don't matter, there is only 1 ending. All those small dialogue changes will amount to nothing, even showgrave will ultimately lead to the same outcome
>>722420920But I want Kriselle... shes....his angel...he's....her devil....they were MADE FIR EACH OTHER!!!a concert just for her..... waaahhhhh
>>722424764This but unironically
>>722423809Cuck memes are the only good thing that came out of suselle. Also i guess it also work as a good way of masking "anime harem" from players. In a Japanese RPG, you would have an obvious Aerith and Tifa picks to remind you that they are waiting for you to raise their flags. IN Deltarune Toby tries to hides it with yuri cringe but we all know Kris is not going to end the game as single and not explore the very obvious MonsterxHuman relationship teased for entire game.
>>722424487Sometimes I still think about that Krisellefag fake advertisement for Chapter 3+4 a long time agoThat’s unironically what shippers think the whole game is about
>>722424845Kris will end the game dead though.
>>722424764Kriselle stuff is the most romantic stuff Toby written, it feels like the actual love story rather than "ship".
>>722424826I was also being unironic it just Kriselle makes me transform into a teenage girl with a livejournal account
>>722424175MEGATRON TERRORIZE
>>722424170>Undertale was just the bait to get all the Stevan Universe and Homestuck fans money. He’s definitely not doing the same butch and obsessive nerd lesbian ship again. It’s all a bait and switch guys, trust. You can’t disprove me cause it’s not finish but my prediction is definitely the correct one.
Never forget
>>722424983Honestly, I agree. I think only stuff like Chasriel actually beats it.
>>722411291asgore was in rudy's hard spot
>>722424703Yes there is one ending. Just like in Undertale there will be some goofy shit like Sans and Papyrus riding a car.But also there will be slight difference in ending dialogs and animation based on whether you triggered character flags>trigger Susie flagsSide characters like Toriel or Aplhys will imply you start dating and ending animation will have Susie sitting with Kris>trigger Noelle flagsame shit but with Noelle and Kris>you fail to trigger anything, stayed neutral or tried to pick everyoneyou will see Kris just interacting with Asriel or his parents while Susie will have the sitting and kissing animation with Noelle and i will laugh at you getting cucked because you coudn't keep attention on your waifu
When will you see that the best girl was there all along?
>>722425186I shant ever forget any based memesBe it aunt or dead kid
>>722425186>BASED>ON>MY>AUNTThis shit is gonna haunt me to my death bed... why would you publish this shit to internet so everyone can see?
>>722424826>Christmas is canon>Kris=Krismas=ChristKris is a male who will sacrifice himself for monsters confirmed?
>>722425186How is this artist holding up after the rape scene?
>>722425342Best girls don't have dicks.
>>722424940Just like Asgore was killed by Flowey, right? Whatever happens, there will be a goofy happy ending
>>722425295Does the game actually keep track of Susie and Noelle flags, though?
>>722425295Small changes, sure. But your actions will have no impact on who hooks up with who
>>722425437Neither does he
>>722425376Eh, I can understand him. My aunt was pretty hot, and she wasn't blood related to me either.
>>722422910I imagine Berdly would be insanely devoted to anyone willing to put up with his epic gamer shtick. He can actually drop the routine when the situation demands it, as we saw with the weird route.
>>722410649Because he's an oikophobe, like all post-modernist subversives.
>>722425186>based on my aunt
>>722425606Shut the fuck up, he is the shy girl that Susie will love because he is the only man who can satisfy her.
>>722425535>a goofy happy endingTrue Pacifist only happens because you can canonically reset your save, which is not a thing in DR canon, and it's still a bleak, depressing ending for Asriel. So the precedent is set for someone getting an awful ending even in the best end.
>>722425679If it takes until the gallows for a guy to drop his routine, fuck 'im
>>722417713I need the full image
>>722411208>inept or worthless.Asgore is literally vindicated at the end of chapter 4.
>>722425536It will be revealed in chapter 5 festival. If there are no changes in interactions and dataminers see nothing in the code that imply using past triggered flags, then its more likely ending and shipping won't matter.
Was thinking about replaying Deltarune without missing all the -permanently missable and super important- stuff. I found a guide, is this the one you guys use?https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3498432736
>>722425765he's just committing to the bit, you wouldn't understand
>>722425393
>>722425738>still no Ralsei comforting Susie and cucking Kris with his Big Darkner Cock after Chapter 4Disappointing
>>722425892the only important missable stuff is the shadow crystals and the eggs, and if you're not braindead you only really need a guide for the eggs
>>722425835https://files.catbox.moe/r6ea7c.png
>>722411208Someone post the image of Toby crossdressing
>>722426068Perfect. Thank you.
>>722425983I don't remember any eggs.
>>722425760Nobody will die, and even after someone die, you will get Gaster or other deus ex bullshit ressurect your characters for happy ending
>>722426174If we're not even allowed to murder our classmates, why even play the game?
>>722420607>>722420808
>>722425892When i replayed i only used the guide to>find all the shadow crystals>find all the eggs>eat all moss>find all Starwalker moments
>>722425889That's not how it works. Flags need to be set in their actual chapter so the game can call on them later on.
>>722426174>Gaster
>>722426248Snowgrave is probably ending on some sad game over screen, but it only exist in the first place because Undertale had a genocide run
>>722426368I didn't do Snowgrave and yet it was referenced heavily in the Sword route. So it's canon in every route at this point.
>>722426142Gaster...
>>722410649>Why is a person writing a story introducing drama?
>>722425980That's chapter 5. After all, spending the night in Castle Town is her only good choice after ch4.
I can't wait for the (true?) ending to be happy and joyful and all that with every single character surviving. I don't get how people can play Undertale and even this game and think we're headed towards some 2sad4u le everyone dies ending. Could something like that happen with the weird route? I'd say it's pretty likely, yeah. But not with the default ending or the true ending or whatever ends up happening outside of snowgrave.
Reminder: Robert's first game was about affording compassion to monsters, at a time when the gaming hobby (and culture in general) was being attacked by anti-human, oikophobic subversives. That is Robert's ilk; the kind to gloat about the public murder of a husband and father over the crime of speaking and demand that you defend them after exposing themselves as monsters. Frankly, if you are willing to defend or spare monsters, then I know what you are...
>>722426646toby's first game was about dr andonuts being a closeted gay
>>722426308They exist, even those that were removed are still counted in next chapters, like the infamous shipping tea and rotten. The game keep track in between shit like whether you ate all moss with Susie or not. Even if its not used for shipping, Toby want to have those marks in the code for potential dialogs doing a throwback to these moments, like maybe Susie reminding Ralsei about a Susie star if she did that in chapter 4
>>722425689>>722426646wake up babe new schizo just dropped
>>722425186Kind of disturbing to frame such an unrepentantly gay character like this.
>>722426759Kris?
>>722426738>pattern recognition is schizophreniaI'm sure you clung to that pretty hard in 2021...
>>722426829oh you vaguepost too! even better!
>>722426829>*jeetjeetjeet sounds*Hm?
>>722426579Krusiebros... what is this?
>>722426759lmao you're such a loser
>>722426759Noelle is a bifag, just like Alphys
>>722426901It's not vagueposting if you have a working memory that goes back further than 4 years.>>722426903Sorry, could you cough up the semen you're drowning in before you respond?
>>722426625People are fans of Toby for YEARS and they still don't get his style of writing. The guy could write children's book like Tolkien. His games will always have a hopefull happy endings. And because of his influence on JRPG's as well as his will in trying to please every fan, we will also most likely have a choice in waifu ending. I feel like a lot of western rpg tourists players think the game will end in some weird Lisa, Omori or Mouthwash ending. Toby is absolutely not doing that shit. In his world, rape and murder isn't real, even politicians in monster town are goofy funny characters. There will be no edge ending.
>>722427123You're way too obsessed with endings. Who cares about the ending? There's no more game after that. Snowgrave happened. Sword route happened.
>>722410649Carol would kill and/or die for her kids. She's just too mentally ill to emotionally support her even more mentally ill daughter.
>>722427024Literally the college girl who brags about how much of a lesbian she is while also having frats run trains on her nightly
>>722427123>People are fans of Toby for YEARS and they still don't get his style of writingAlmost like he doesn't have one, like he's a bottomless well of spite hidden under a veneer of "quirky" behavior like the rest of his scumbag, oikophobic ilk.
>>722427231Toby is not going to kill himself after finishing Deltarune. He might open himself a route for a sequel in his old years. So he will most likely have a happy ending for a time skip sequel
>>722421584He’s already got spamtenna and alphdyne‘s corpse for that
>>722427327Bruh, his games feels like written by Mr Rogers, what the hell are you talking about? The only mean things are coming from players actions. You could air entire Undertale and Deltarune as a cartoon on Disney+
>>722427327how does it feel to get mindbroken by the friendship game?
>>722424983It's so fucking weird how Tumblr of all places fucking loves Kriselle and makes tons of really good fan art of it.
>>722427324Well, can't beat the cock
>>722417715Why?
>>722427324I can buy that Alphys and Undyne are bi but Noelle looks like the kind of girl who'd vomit if she saw a naked guy.
>>722427463go ahead and google "oikophobia" this anon is nuts
>>722422942>Kriselle at 1.6>Ralsusie is nowhere to be seenIt’s beyond jover
So I'm confused, this means that Toby Fox supports Poly relationships or is he saying that these don't work?
>>722427327Kind of like the quirk chungus >RAWR… LE EBIN ellipses just like my… NARUT0z!!!!!you’ve got there, amirite my le sporkzbro?
>>722411208>Daddy issues>>722418082ProbablyBerdly is a dumbass whose qualities shine above his idiotic self, his smugness is pretty based tooSusie's problem is her rushed character development, everyone knows how she should work, but is too rushed, and despite that a lot like her as a MC
>>722427650doesn't work if you force it out if obligation like krusielle
>>722427384I'd say it's weird that you'd probably find more Pro-Spamtenna than Pro-Alphdyne on /v/, but then I remember this fruity fucking board also jacks of Asriel more than 2/3 of the prominent female cast.Anyone got the pic of Asriel in the 'Fag Enabler' hat?
>>722410649Who's the faggot who drew this Why would Berdly be there This is 100% a situation Kris would be in Berdly would probably be like "Well!!! Maybe next time you should simply work harder to achieve that A+ Noelle!!!" or some shit I never got the impression him and Noelle were actually close or friends like him and Kris are implied to be Anyways OP and basically everyone here is a faggot, Toby has said that he thinks that mothers are an often neglected part of RPG stories so he tries to make them more than mom shaped mannequins. Toriel and Carol are both pretty complex characters and we really haven't seen much of Carol at all but /v/ isn't really capable of viewing anything outside of it being either unredeemable garbage or pure unadulterated ludokino
>>722418594The Town, just like the underground in UT, is much bigger than the game shows you, the awkward to nowhere roads is juts a way of limiting where you can go.
>>722427563Kris isn't a boy so it's not straight
>>722427841I mean that’s because nobody feels like Spamton or Tenna are “stealing” their waifus, so they look the other way
>>722422942>Toriel x DessHow the hell did this make it out of Other/in tags and then completely leave out Ralsusie?
>>722427650He’s saying polygamy doesn’t work if you have a flat ass
>>722427845Noelle and Berdly study at her house, Berdly calls her cactus tsundere
>>722427735then the best ending for Asgore in this game would be a three person relationship with Toriel and Sans?
>>722427650>Ralsei was into it
>>722427953Weirdos who like Killer x VictimThe Queen's Chariot Cannot be Stopped
>>722427463>his games feels like [they're] written by Mr RogersThe veneer of "quirky" behavior, yes.>mean thingsAh, yes, because we all know the only Evil actions in this world come from being "mean" and not from supporting the actions of an outgrown horde of ghouls infecting your homeland.>>722427470How does it feel to be demoralized?>>722427608Yes, I'm the crazy one for pointing at things that exist and saying Robert fits the bill; not to mention the stature of the people he willingly associates with, like the (alleged, no hard confirmation) woman who made the "hell is a fun Broadway musical!" cartoon.>>722427654And I'm the one who needs meds...
>>722427845autism
>>722425689>>722426646>>722427327ten goddamn years of this shit
>>722424983Kriselle becomes canon...BUT!...It ends in pure tragedy and possible misery porn if it does become canon.Could you live with that anon?
>>722428062
>>722428009Did you play the game?
>>722425393That's literally where the game is heading to, which is why Kris nukes his contacts in chapter 4, essentially cutting connection with everyone.
>>722427563>acting surprised tumblr is into tragic childhood friend romance with a shit ton of traumaThe fucking rape scene unironically made it more popular among that crowd
>>722428043>heh… *pushes up glasses* [SHING]… ROBERT FOX… my sworn nemesis… you SHALL… be TOPPLED!!! ROARRR!!!! nootnoot chimichangasssss xDYes chungusbro, we get it
>>722428053Imagine being the guy who made this Do you think he feels unclean?
>>722428043You are NOT being the schizo allegations with this one, chief.
>>722420317So that magma guy or kunabee the people that the other guys asked about Yagi and told them to stop looking for them? One of them had a public profile with a steam friends list and Yagi was like right in the middle of it and that's where people found it, I was using the profile picture he's using.Looks like one of those Undertale Memory gamerpics.
>>722426520Braid Frisk is cute.
>>722418082I like Berdly the same way I like X4, in a purely ironic way.
>>722428213Where will Kris and Noelle go to for the honeymoon/
>>722427563Most of the extreme schizos moved to twitter after the purge that happened therePlus kriselle can have a lot of angst, drama, abuse, romance and even be cute and heartwarming it has something for many to enjoy
>>722426720Okay, but is there actual Susie and Noelle flags to determine their relationship? Even the tea you posted only has one flag and it's for Ralsei.
naughty little sluts
>>722419196They did adopt Chara though. That's not up for debate. They took him in and raised him in their own home alongside their own son. That's the textbook definition of adoption.
>>722428417grippins wouldn't do that
>>722425980Susie is an ugly butch dinosaur that literally looks like a man why the fuck are you guys obsessed with self inserting with her genuinely
>>722411837She looks like she fucks ME EXCLUSIVELY
>>722427024Technically Kris isn't male and Noelle hasn't show attraction to actual he/him men.
>>722419385She was already treated as a daughter.
>>722427563It's because most people here haven't played the games or have had their opinions heavily influenced by this place before/after playing so their impression of Noelle is that she's some characterless gay dyke stealing Susie away while the homos on other sites are ironically able to actually enjoy the tragedy and romance Toby is weaving together.
>>722428478does this really look like a man to you?
>>722428213>The fucking rape scene unironically made it more popular among that crowdIt's funny how that kind of thing works out again being Tumblr and all.
>>722419385Why would Toby write it to be that way?
>>722411837Oh yeah, that was a huge reveal that everyone just memory holed it>>722412696The guy painting the building no?
>>722428115I’m a ralsusiefag pain and suffering is just par for the course
>>722428062Yes, ten years since Undertale planted the victory flag for ghouls in the gaming hobby, after only a year of weaponizing accusations of bigotry against gamers until they caved and opened the gates.>>722428220I don't think you do, if you need to project this much.>>722428234What do I have to prove to (You), anyway? You've already shown that they can stomp on your balls with a stiletto and you still wouldn't acknowledge their existence.
>>722410649>>722411208>same family issues thread every dayanon do you have something to tell to the class?
Kriselle is so weird for me since I normally don't give a shit about romance stuff but the tragedy and really fucked up aspects of this ship really draw me in. I've not seen a good tragedy like this in a long time.
>>722411837Sorry bros but I claimed her right there in the livestream before anyone else could. Better luck next time, eh?
>noellefags want to fuck this
>>722411208That's extremely prevalent in media now. He's probably just copying what he knows. I can't remember the last piece of media that I watched/played that portrayed a good father/child relationshipNu God of War almost comes close but Kratos is just too flaccid and self-loathing
>>722428698I ate the chalkAnd then I ate the suggestion paper about replacing the chalkboard with powerpoint
>>722428548Nigga??
>>722428468You're right he's still in hell
>>722411208one gorillion replies to a post that's blatantly not true
>>722428257>gamerpic
>>722428749>I can't remember the last piece of media that I watched/played that portrayed a good father/child relationshipUnironically God of WarMonster Hunter WildsThere's plenty. Unless it's a Metroidvania. Metroid Dread, La Mulana 2, Silksong and Order of Ecclesia are all about dads being reprihensible monsters to their daughters.
>>722427580Fluffy tails, soft fur, snoots.
>>722428661You know what? You're right. You're actually so normal and reasonable. Call a loved one and read your posts to them out loud verbatim.
>>722428737>nooo don't have sex with the cute dorky blonde horny athletic rich girl
Kris is a cute boy and nobody can convince me otherwise and he has a cute semi small penis and balls and a nice twink ass.
>>722427608The use of that term does not help your case. The only time I have ever heard that term is from an overly aggressive schizo who accuses everyone else of having it for liking things that he doesn't like.
>>722410649>Reluctant oral sex from Noelle
>>722428981>Unironically God of WarAlso unironically, TLoU 1 and 2. Honestly, if there's multiple Snoy movie games all about Dads trying to raise their daughters/sons I don't think they've got all that bad of a rap in the media.
Twerking doe
>>722427735Krusielle works because all parties involved have feelings for each other.
>>722427845Berdly is practically attached to Noelle at the hip because he's afraid he'll go back to being a nobody if he doesn't constantly use her to elevate himself. He comes over to her house a lot to study.
>>722429204If there's going to be a threesome it's going to be with the fun gang. End of story.
>>722429108I think you might have misunderstood what I was saying
>>722429012My family (the members I'm still in contact with, anyway) all knew about the oikophobic menace long before (You) even heard the term "SJW."
>>722428729Because how it is written, it is very close and personal, despite being an anthropomorphic deer girl in a world with magic, the characters themselves live in a regular outskirt town in a way that feels natural, they are written in a way that we care what happens to them and we're given enough information to make believable all of what is happening and the horrible consequences that are about to unfold, plus we see how all the good past moments get abandoned while the characters yearn for them while the possible good future gets thrown away too
>>722429204Poly relationships are not that simple, you can't just pair two, and then pair another one because they'll left out. None of the zoomies understand that, and it's why most instances of it suck balls.
>>722410649>last daughter alive is gayof course she’s beating her ass
>>722424487It is though
>>722428424They didn't see her as an actual dreemurr, though. Probably because they were going to have her marry Asriel.
>>722429398I see now. I've been too harsh. It's not your fault you were born into a fucked up and retarded family. I hope you get the help you need one day and stop obsessing about indie game devs over imagined political slights. Sending virtual hugs!
>>722429158"Twerking" dino
>>722428526They didn't see her as a daughter, though. Toby would had them refer to her as such like he does with Kris.
>>722429345I'm saying that regardless of what you were saying, the use of the term "oikophobuia" automatically makes you sound like a schizo. Its like "slop", completely ruined by people arguing in bad faith.
>>722428915Well at least people are being more "normal" about this
>>722429158>>722429580Kris, you know who to pick…
>>722428609He wants to keep things ambiguous. He basically explained all of that in the anniversary stream.
>>722410649Because it's realistic, ba dum tish, also >>722411208 is a related issue.It's one of those problems caused by gender redefinition.>>722411487And this is why furrydom is purely a black pursuit and absolutely no-one in it is from a well educated family that lives in big houses or expects to have expensive items like fursuits and naughty dragon adult sculptures.It's also why furries are extremely anti-social and do not support extremely conforming social values and political stances where you have to respect other people to the point of your own loss of freedom and personality.Yeah right.
>>722429520>The future of humans and monstersThey totally were grooming chara to marry asriel
>>722429325I feel like this is even more damming to Berdly, as his relationship with Noelle is mostly a product of his desire to be recognized as smart and Noelle's unwillingness to say no. I don't think she hates Berdly or that they're strangers to each other or anything, but I really don't think Berdly and Noelle are that close. I don't think Noelle is all that close with anybody except for like Kris or Catty.
I do think Deltarune is a much better written game than Undertale was. The pacifist final battle felt very hamfisted, nothing like that in Deltarune.
>>722428478
>>722429692But he's still in college
>>722429483>, you can't just pair two, and then pair another one because they'll left out.Good thing that's not what's happening. Noelle likes Kris, Noelle also likes Susie; Kris likes Noelle, Kris also likes Susie; Susie likes Kris, Susie also likes Noelle. In this relationship everybody gets what they want.This isn't Susie getting to have two girlfriends while Kris tolerates it because he loves her. This is all three of them loving each other mutually.
>>722429520>>722429710They are siblings you fucking weirdos.
>>722429520Which would make her their daughter in law, so still their child.If they were to try and claim they hadn't adopted her as their daughter that would be nothing but denial. They loved her, cared for her, and raised her as their daughter, so that's what she is.
>>722428737Yes. Deal with it.
would you let him in?
>>722412804Carol needs to just get a arranged marriage for Noelle if she wants her to get normal.
I hope Kriselle ends in pure tragedy. My angst loving putrid heart needs it.
>>722429745Hypergod Asriel is a pisstake of a lot of tropes in Japanese media. You're not meant to take it seriously. Even Omega Flowey turning into some poorly photoshopped nightmare is meant to be taken more seriously than Asriel in his mother's dress bawling his eyes out because you won't play with him.
>>722429612Actions speak louder than words. She was TREATED (not referred to, those are different things) as a daughter.
>>722429710Funny considering the theory that the dreemurrs and holidays were trying to groom Noelle and Kris into a couple and how both cases ended in complete disaster
>>722429745Pacifist is anime finale kino and you just didn't get it.
>>722416304They literally went above and beyond and called Chara the messiah. No wonder he snapped.
>>722429980I would if he agreed not to play a numbers game.He seems like he'd be lovely to hang out with if he wasn't trying to kill you.
>>722429568>imagined political slightsNever ask a Robert Fox fan who/what he donated to in 2020...
>>722429889>Adopted>From different species even>Implying medieval royalty didn't practice incest to "keep the bloodline pure"Asgore and Toriel are probably related anyways
>>722429889Chara's into it THOUGH.
>>722430019>le DECONSTRUCTIONgtfo with that tvtropes take. It's the emotional climax of the entire game.
>>722429693But why then make Chara and Asriel siblings in every other way? Why wouldn't they be one big family? Why write it to be like this only at the end to say that Chara's guardians didn't actually see them as part of the family? It just doesn't make very much sense to me from a writing perspective. I guess because they didn't say "And then Toriel and Asgore signed some papers and Chara was officially their child" its technically up to interpretation but all the evidence seems to be pointing the other way.
>>722429580Kissing Susie's ass...
>>722417943They didn't legally adopt her because they were setting her up as their future stepdaughter.
>>722429950>>722430029Well, the game is still written with none of the Dreemurrs considering Chara as one of them, even if they treated her as family.
>>722430191Parody =/= DeconstructionIt's also the emotional climax of one part of the game. Neutral is a valid ending.
>>722428213Rape scenes are art
>>722430019I took Omega Flowey super seriously. This is exactly how I imagine fighting an omnipotent savestate-scumming shitlord is like.
>>722418082Berdly story is okay. I like what it's going for but it's not really fleshed out enough for me to care that much. Susie's story is rather mundane but I honestly like that since it makes it very believable.
>>722429721Berdly and Noelle are close, but only because they spend so much time together, rather than out of any particular matching of personalities or natural affinity for each other. Berdly clearly does care about Noelle, since he was willing to throw away his genius act and plans of greatness when her well being was on the line, and because he feels horrible about using her the way he does. Noelle likewise clearly cares about him, since she's willing to sacrifice herself to save him, and constantly puts up with his bullshit.I will agree that Noelle and Catti are closer, and that when they when young she and Kris were closer as well.
>>722430198Because Toby is a weeb and there's plenty of media where a family takes a child in but doesn't seen them as family like with AoT and Eren and Mikasa. Which then they write as they having feelings for each other.
>>722427953It's a typo, it was supposed to be Asriel
>>722427024>kris visibly uncomfortable and backing away >noelle keeps coming closerIs she autistic
>>722429980He can do anything I don't need to let him in.>>722430019Good storytelling or good games can take you along for the ride and make you ignore the ridiculousness of something. When you are caught up in the moment it hits differently. Of course looking at undertale shit in abstract isolation will not go over as well. The entire fucking series as a concept will be cringe you can't take seriously. But when a story really grabs you by the collar you can't help but ignore the cringe or ridiculousness and you are just immersed in it.
>>722430274They clearly did even if they didn't admit it. They loved her like a daughter and a sister, and raised her like one as well.
>>722430069With the holidays it was happening naturally though, is just kris who messed up (since this has a lot of parallels with omori i'm certain this mess is kris's fault)
>>722430258Wouldn't it be daughter-in-law in that case?
>>722429681I don't think there's any way to be normal about this
>>722429158>>722429580More badonks in Deltarune would be good methinks
How massive will the Hall of Anal Devastation be once this game ends?
>>722430494noelle does seem to have issues reading other people's emotions correctly
>>722429836Not only is that the token superficial "everything will be fine" take that dooms poly relationships, you haven't considered the dynamics with how each characters feels while the others have some alone time. They aren't gonna be joined at the hip forever. >Susie-gets suspicious about Kris and Noelle being alone together, which leads to her being more distant to Kris and not being there for them at the end of Ch.4>Kris-Is caught in so many lies that any relationship with them(especially with Susie having hard hate boners for traitors, even with them having good intentions at heart) to be unstable, along with their quirk of miscommunication and self loathing>Noelle-has showcased varying degrees of jealously towards both Susie and Kris that makes her come off as bitter
>>722430583>sister*best friend.
>>722429980Magdump into the door.
>>722420920I'll add that Toby fucking loves doomed romances.
>>722430302>Parody =/= DeconstructionPedantic. It's not parody either. This was made by the same guy who wrote an entire conversation in chapter 4 about how doubt and irony taint otherwise good storytelling.>It's also the emotional climax of one part of the game.Pedantic.>Neutral is a valid ending.Didn't say it wasn't.You'll be a lot happier if you learn to engage with media sincerely instead of engaging with it through a veil of irony.
>>722411208I think it's more that /v/chuds like you are incapable of viewing anything other than 80s stereotypes as healthy, masculine, assertive examples of fatherhood
>>722430565The one thing I don't understand is that Undertale struck me as a very personal journey of self-reflection. And yet it has a huge online community? Of different people who all had completely different experiences?
>>722430649Depends on what ship wins.
>>722430173>Asgore and Toriel are probably related anywaysNow that Toby’s elaborated a bit on lore lole the human mages, it only makes it stranger as to what exactly Boss Monsters actually are and where do they come from, cause we only ever see 3 of them and they’re part of the same family
>>722411487I'm a gay furry and i have a great relationship with my mother and father i do hate women though
>Kris wants to bang this
>>722430473If you're going to be a retarded nigger and ship Asriel and Chara together you should at least go all the way and just accept the sibling incest angle instead of acting like the game supports your stupid fanon
>>722430670>Noelle is the one who was de-souled and that's why she lacks empathy>(You) are actually Noelle's soul>this is why (You) want to reunite with Noelle so badly>this is also why Carol says (You) are always welcome - of course she would welcome her daughter's soul
>>722430781Honestly the fact that furries are prison gay and women furries are fucking annoying is news to literally nobody.Unless you're completely unfamiliar with furries.
>>722429745We don't know yet, tobby has way more time to develop the plot, and he is wasting most of his time in being vague and baitingI'm personally preparing for DR to fall flat, to end up as a rushed story despite the years of delays>>722430326Photoshop flowey actually feels like a final boss, asriel is only the cool interactive scene before the ending
>>722430706>Pedantic"These things aren't actually the same" isn't being pedantic, you sperg. You have nothing else worth saying.
>>722423360She was bullied for being a big tough girl and all of her "Friends" only got close to her to manipulate her and terrorize others before turning on her.
>>722428661the demo came out in 2013 and was quite liked on /v/, faggot
>>722430884Even the haters have to admit that photoshop flowey was a cool final boss. Undertale missed me with a lot of shit but that's exactly what I hoped for after playing the demo.
>>722423915If Toby made Frans canon he would be executed by a tumblr firing squad.
>>722430760>Undertale struck me as a very personal journey of self-reflectionHow so?>And yet it has a huge online communityYou don't need to have a 100% identical experience with the creator to relate to something. Even if you turn your brain off and ignore the writing, it's a fun game with nice character design and excellent music.
>>722430682>Noelle-has showcased varying degrees of jealously towards both Susie and Kris that makes her come off as bitterMost of that is from her denial of her feelings for Kris. If she admitted that she loves Kris, and then realized that she could have both of them then this wouldn't be an issue.>Susie-gets suspicious about Kris and Noelle being alone together which leads to her being more distant to Kris and not being there for them at the end of Ch.4That didn't happen though>>Kris-Is caught in so many lies that any relationship with them (especially with Susie) would be unstableThat's fair. Kris has some serious personal issues he needs to work through, but that would be a problem regardless of any throuples. So any romance involving him is predicated on the idea that he will overcome those issues.
>>722424845Kris doesn't deserve a happy ending. Him being alone is probably still more than than he deserves.
>>722428981You very clearly didn't play Silksong if you think it's about dads fucking up
>>722430838Sorry, but it's canon that the Dreemurrs didn't see Chara as their daughter and Asriel as his sister. I hope you can accept this.
>>722431208I wish the Pale King was your dad so he could abort you Spartan style 10,000 times then see what you think
>>722431132>That didn't happen thoughWeird Route.
>>722430614Maybe, I probably shouldn't know that some random guy I've never spoken to is online right now, but that's just the way things go.
>>722417770>why do you want representation?>you're a virgin unmarried loser who jorks it to anime>everything should be gay and lesbian, bi at worstThis is what you sound likeIf it was about representation you'd be arguing there should be no relationships at all nor a character that can fight anyone
>>722430770>Most powerful monster type>Soul endures after death>Only age when having a kidI'm buying the theory of monster bosses being half human monsterstho i don't particularly like the idea, since in most japanese games with monster girls, a human mating with a monster leads to a 100% pure monster, force of habit
>>722430165industrycuck, you need to take your meds
>>722425203Toby really, REALLY likes tragically doomed romances it seems.
>>722431273She suspicious because Kris and Noelle are acting like a couple of serial killers.
>>722430468>and because he feels horrible about using her the way he does.Not really? He likes that he can be #1 with Noelle as his #2. He kind of seems on the cusp of learning some kind of lesson during CH2, but then he just drops the ball immediately once he realizes that he can be stupid with Susie/it was all a dream. I think he actually does show his true colors during CH2 WR though, during the snowgrave sequence when he fights you and Noelle.>since she's willing to sacrifice herself to save him, and constantly puts up with his bullshit.Not at all?? She's repeatedly shown to have trouble saying no to people outside of her dad and Kris, and is (very awkwardly) nearly pressured by Berdly into going to the festival during CH4. Noelle probably doesn't like, not give a shit about Berdly or whatever, but it's always felt far more one sided and like a gag to me.
>>722426646His first game was about actually viewing a game as a world and a story and being proud to be a video game in a time where both of such things were in decline.Bioshock Infinite was a massive game at the time, remember.
Kris is the perfect troll. He shouldn't get with anyone who can't match his desire to watch the world burn. Sorry Susie, you're not hard enough.
>>722431021>the demo came out in 2013Good timing for Robert, then.>was quite liked on /v/Yes, because you were all still naïve to how pernicious their subversive ideology is, and some of you still are. In this very thread, someone is probably just cracking jokes about Kris' pronouns like it's not the blatant act of normalization that it is.>>722431356And that's why you don't ask; they can't answer.
>>722427563Because it's peak ANGST!Also girls love rape, tragedy, childhood friends, arranged marriage, blood symbolism, and being pranked by a boy that secretly has a crush on you.
>>722431410Not really, she doesn't really show that she thinks they're being evil. And from her side, she shouldn't really know. If anything, she should be more concerned about Kris considering they inexplicably had an anxiety attack in the ch. 4 dark world in her eyes. AND Kris was acting closed off after interacting with Noelle in the church.
>>722427593She would vomit out of fear but still be incredibly turned on if she saw a dick for the first time.
>>722431256Is the Pale King the primary antagonist of Silksong, industrycuck?
>>722426759>Meanwhile, Noelle during Chapter 4:
Who would be the better wife, Susie or Noelle?
>>722431845Who's Hornet's dad?
>>722431058sensorially he hits like a truck and very very unique even so many artist just fail to even draw him properlyhe an unredeemable bastard that is dissonant with the whole game and yet he is composed of themes and objects from itbest fight in the whole game really
>>722431884>Hears Kris’ mumbly incel voice >immediately becomes straight What is wrong with her?
>>722431893Depends on whether you prefer tard wife or trad wife
>>722431980She's stricken with the loss of her sister and the distance that's grown between her and Kris following the disappearance.
>>722431935Omega Flowey art is hard to get, yeah.
>>722432025>implying Noelle isn’t a tard wife too
>>722432025>>722432123tard trad vs trad tard
>>722431884KISS YOUR CHILDHOOD FRIEND!!!>Kris yet again being a failureThat is why he doesn't deserve control>>722431980>Autism>TraumaI can fix her
>>722431909Who built and fucked up Pharloom?
>>722431935I wish this was the Genocide boss. Punishment for you really, really fucking up and giving the one entity on par with you absolute godly powers to crash your game and lock you out of your save. Sans is more fun, but in the end he's just an NPC with no real powers outside of his battle.
>>722428737I only want to marry her for her money.
>>722432123Noelle is the best student in her class. Her IQ is high (as long as she is not exposed to Susie)
>>722432227Highschooler IQ means nothing, heritable IQ hasn't asserted itself prior to age 27. For all we know Temmie ends up smarter than Noelle.
>>722430003
>>722430003Both of them are getting used up.Final shot in the weird route is them being together in death.
>>722431069Yep, which is why Toby doesn't fall for the popular ship and shill FriskKid instead.
>>722432186
>>722432339Noelle should die first according to the zelda gameBut that would be nice
>>722431980kris is very sensitive to other peopleit's why he gets autistically upset when people badmouth his friend/ family, even if they're also family
>>722430494Her eyes are closed, anon
>>722432175>>722432123>>722432025I want a tard tard wife
>>722432227Shes smart but very autistic. She says shit like “holy cheese and crackers”
>>722427563I mean its obvious that tumblr would want a toxic yuri. Like 60% of lesbian couples experience dometic violence. Suselle is a boring shit for them and mostly shipped by straight snoy boys feminist respectors
>>722432175Did someone say "tard trad"?
>>722431893
is toby going to finally reveal the tragedy of abusive lesbian relationships to the mainstream?
>>722432438was kris jorkin it?
>>722430608It would be, I think. Stepdaughter would be if Toriel married Chara's dad.
>>722432595signs point to yes
>>722432560Do Susiefags realize that their wife would be completely terrible at every single thing she attempts? I would be embarassed to be seen with her.
>>722432438it's kind of crazy how there was so much romantic tension between these two even outside of the stuff we see as players that noelle just shuts her eyes and creeps closer and closer to kris with the assumption that they would just reciprocate because she can't imagine the REAL kris doing anything else. Ton y my heart
>>722430838NTA but Chara and Asriel knew each other for, what, two years?
>>722432438>ALONE in her room>Closed windows>Closed door>Parents gone>Friend distracted in another room>She is closing in>Opening her heart>She is closing in with her eyes closed!>Chooses to run away, force her to shut up or brush it off as a bad jokeKris. You. Miserable. Shitstain
>>722432730Based warmblood supremacist
>>722430760Well, you can see a lot of the issue with that in the early fandom with people pushing every streamer to play the game the "right way".
>>722432786You don’t understand he needs to distance himself from her. It’s for her own good. She’d be happier with Susie
>>722432438>starts rubbing crotch and then shoves the hand in her face>says nothing
>>722432705god what i would give to be those bedsheets while kris fucks his mattress
>>722431352>tho i don't particularly like the idea, since in most japanese games with monster girls, a human mating with a monster leads to a 100% pure monster, force of habitIn monster girl quest that's only true for lower monster girls. Same might be true for Undertale as well.
>>722432730I find it endearing. She's not afraid to try.
>>722430865im not prison gay though im gay gay
>>722431893Noelle is rich and made to be a trophy wife that spends her day drinking and neglecting her children.
>>722432834On the flipside, there's a lot of very cool and easily missable content, especially in Deltarune. I genuinely couldn't believe it when the Snowgrave route started getting discussed after ch. 2 released.
>>722432908He knows how to make her happy
>>722431479>He likes that he can be #1 with Noelle as his #2That's until the flashback sequence when he admits all of that is just a cope he uses because he's afraid of being ignored.>He kind of seems on the cusp of learning some kind of lesson during CH2He does learn a lesson, that he doesn't need to be the greatest for people to like him, and that he doesn't need to use people to do that either. He just also has a lot more to learn.>it was all a dream.The lesson still sticks with him even in the light world. We see that he's got a much kinder view of Susie and Kris, and even treats them better. He's just too proud (or too ashamed) to publicly admit he's been wrong for all these years. So instead he acts friendly towards Kris in private and is tsundere towards Susie.>Not at all??The reason she surrendered to Queen was because Queen threatened to kill Berdly if she didn't. That shows quite a lot of care to me. If she hated him she'd hope Queen DID drop him in the acid.>he's repeatedly shown to have trouble saying no to people outside of her dad and KrisShe could still avoid him or get her mom or dad to make him leave her alone. The fact that she doesn't and was willingly friends with him in the first place shows that she does to some level like him, even if she also hates him sometimes.Noelle and Berdly's relationship is a subtle and nuanced one, so its a lot harder to pick up on than the others in the game.Toby's done stuff like this before, like when he confirmed that Burgerpants actually does still like Mettaton even if he spends most of his time shit talking him in game.
>>722432786>>Chooses to run away, force her to shut up or brush it off as a bad jokeGod, and in every abort it's so obvious how much these rejections sting for Noelle. FUCK!!!
>>722431693Either way, it wasn't because he and Noelle were close, its because both of them were acting really weird.
>>722432786Except we don't know the full story, and there are some serious hints that something horrible will happen if they get close to each other. I always compare it to the Soviet movie "The Ordinary Miracle", where the boy was running away from the girl because kissing her would turn him into a bear (and I can only hope that the ending here will be the same).
>>722432802>Go be a ligga elsewhereBased racist boomer mother
>>722431980She finally understands Kris cares about her, and even promised to protect her. That is literally all she wanted out of him. Guarantee that they care about her and a promise of protection, like Dess used to do.
>>722432775I think that’s just an incest fag mad that his fetish isn't in Undertale. He should be a Krisriel shipper.
>>722431893Noelle might have a mid life crisis and cheat on you, Susie is apt to become an abusive trailer wife due to inherited traits.
>>722432730That's why she needs someone who will be taking care of her, a brain to her brawn.
>>722432371Frisk and Monster Kid is unironically a good underrated ship. Though I've been warming to Frisk and Noelle/Dess as well.
>>722432594Why does everyone want to molest Kris so much? are monsters really this rapey?
>NO, I GET IT! IT'S YOU AND THAT [Hochi Mama]!>YOU'VE BEEN [Making], HAVEN'T YOU!>YOU THINK MAKING [Frozen Chicken] WITH YOUR [Side Chick]>IS GONNA LET YOU DRINK UP THAT [Sweet, Sweet] [Freedom Sauce]?It's incredible that there are still people who deny that there's any kind of romantic subtext here
>>722433356Why do you want to torture Ralsei like that? It's a relationship where he does everything. Even the sex probably hurts like hell.>>722433464A dark seduction.
>>722425689You and the /g/ schizo who keeps using the word "eleutheromaniac" should duke it out some day, retard-to-retard. It'd be fun to see how many times you all can cram your fetish words into a single conversation.
>>722428478because I fumbled a tall, strong, bisexual tomboy 8 years ago and I will never ever forgive myself for it and want to torture myself vicariously as punishment
>>722432371>>722433372Anyone got that art where Monster Kid sees Frisk wearing a swimsuit and realises she's a girl? I thought it was cute.
>>722432730She'll be good at having and raising children.
>>722433410
>>722433356Ralsus fags have an ability to make a straight ship look so incredibly gay and it never ceases to amaze me
>>722432786I wonder if Noelle has seen what a human dick looks like.
>>722433356She could grab his whole ass in one claw
>>722433540>fumbled a faggot*Dodged a bullet. Have some self-respect, son.
>>722432856Its surely his justification, it still sucks and stings>>722433042yeah i hate when kris takes controlunlike him we can do something about it but why trust us (yeah we are bad... but we also deliver good results at the same time!!)>>722433226Someone is meant to die or loop, still most stories about knowing the future miss the point and opportunity of taking advantage of that instead of drowning in misery for the sake of it
>>722433410i don't think many monsters have just soft skinmost either have fur or scales
>>722433410Humans can’t be resisted
What would (you) do in this situation?
>>722433531>fetish wordsExcept I'm using it in entirely the correct way just like I was on /g/.
>>722433545Requesting this as well.
>>722433694The entire friggin' town's gotta be waiting for Kris to mature so they can see it. Especially Toriel.
>>722433612Ralsei is the gayest looking motherfucker ever made He could be having full on sex with an attractive feminine woman and he'd still look gay somehow.
>>722433019Yeah. Want to do the same thing by filling my fangame with hard to find secret content.
>>722433226>and there are some serious hints that something horrible will happen if they get close to each other>the second hero; the girl, with hope crossed on her heart>noelle and susie could fulfill a lot of the same roles in the prophecy>love finds its way to the girl >the girl>the last missing prophecy panel Does something bad happen to the girl? If Noelle falls in love with Kris instead of Susie, would that be enough to fulfill her role in the prophecy and make her the second hero? Is Kris trying to protect Noelle?
>>722433843Ralsei is so gay that it loops around to becoming straight because he's more girly than any of the actual girls. Basically if you don't want to fuck Ralsei, you don't want to fuck peak feminine sissy.
hey guys look at my car in sonic racing crossworlds
>>722433694given that her and kris have know each other for practically their entire lives, she might've seen it once when they were really little with zero concept of shame
>>722433305I mean, I've joked about them being brother and sister as well. Mostly because it's fun trolling. Honestly, I do find it interesting that Asgore and Toriel never referred to Chara as their child even though they clearly meant a lot and other monsters do. Guilt? Do they secretly know what Chara did and this is their way of coping with it? Where they setting them up as their future daughter in law?
>>722433694>Bathing together as children>Years latter "Oh kris you have grown so much">Like in good japanese story>T. Tobby the king of ero gamesI can see it
>>722433694She did the last time they played truth or dare
>Got in trouble with faggot Discord mods because I wanted to do an RP with Kris exposing himself in public to Noelle since Kris is apparently "underaged" I swear I can't have any fun.
>>722433694She absolutely looked it up
>>722434115>discordyour first mistake
>>722434019Canonically it's probably the former but the latter is funnier so I chose that one.
>>722433694Who cares? I want to know what deer boobs look like.
>>722434115>ERP>DiscordHave you tried NOT to be like this?
>>722410649His work is dependent on me, a friend of a friend alienated for being Catholic, and panders to leftists, who typically have deranged relationship to family. It’s definitely going to have relational issues.My Homestuck art btw to torment people
>>722433778>He is the schizolmao
>>722434115it's borderline canon that kris did the male swimsuit challenge at least onceprobably more
>>722433694I wonder if maybe in a changing room at school or at a water park or something Noelle saw Kris's cock I bet that confused her for days.
What do you think will happen between them in ch5 at the festival?
stop playing this lesbian shit
>>722433950>Is Kris trying to protect Noelle?Considering Carol is involved and teh supposed tragedy at the end, that is the theory. Typically being either that the girl murders the vessel (Kris) or the vessel murders the girl (Noelle/Susie).
>>722433846I just want to gaslight the players with subtle fun events.>Hard to believe Scrimblus is the same pallette as FRIEND>Are you color blind? He's blue and green!
>>722434325>Noelle became terrified of cock after seeing one.I could see it.
Is Noelle one of the most inconsistent characters in fan art? Almost none stick to her canon design, she either looks like some weeb abomination or something some furry drew.
>>722434282I was already called that. Out of material already?
>>722433950And in doing this, Kris falls in love with Susie, making her the girl. Leading to Kris still getting devastated by the loss of his love.
>The weird route will be an epic bad tragic ending!No it won't. The theme of the game is that choices don't matter. The weird route will end in the same place as normal, just taking a weird route to get there. Do you people even read into the game?
I deeply hate this game because it could be so amazing if it wasnt so fucking gay in its writingIts extremely frustrating
>>722433767Grow her into the heroine of the story who saves the worldorAllow her to kill everyone she knowsI don't judge, i help!
>>722434361totalferris wheelshaking
>>722434548That's cool and all, but>NOELLE WILL GET STRONGER
>>722427024when the human musk kicks in
>>722434115Anon... It's discord... What did you expect? >>722434219Former makes sense. Especially for Asgore, who probably knows every kid he killed could have been another Chara.
>>722434019Might be monarchy thing. Chara being their child would bring with it a title and some kind of authority. They may simply have not been able to legally make her their child since she wasn't eligible for that title.
>>722434525Nah, most of the cast is like that. See Undyne in Undertale.
>Deltarune-fags are unironic Discord ERPersJesus Christ. No wonder these threads are shit.
>she was used up>you were used upYeah I’m sure it’ll be a happy ending
>>722434715Canon Undyne has an absolute trash design. Her stick body on a pirate's head looks ridiculous.
>>722434361>At first entire thing is set up as a very fun and wholesome date.>Even Kris kind of gets into it after a while.>Rudy dies>Normally Noelle is heartbroken>In weird route she basically has no reaction whatsoever. >Everybody is kind of disturbed by how little she cares.>Especially Kris since he knows why.
>>722434532I was keking at you admitting it
>>722434525That will always go the humans. They always change between fanart.
>722434750Yet you are here for every thread
>>722434750I dont know what you expected this is the most tranny pedophile fanbase in history, of course even on a "chud" place like this there would be spilloverJust imagine how incredibly horrible the fanbase is outside this site, and you still wont be close
>>722428382The gift of a plushie in chapter 2 is probably a major flag. Same with picking Noelle in the chapter 2 ending when talking with Susie on a coach on who to take on the festival
>>722434750Gooning with fellow fans is fun though
>>722434361>RegularNoelle fails to get a successful date with susie and blames (you) or krisYou get an option to have some scenes with everyone, including the birdWeird(you) get on a date with noelle and susie feels abandonedIdeally, tobby can just skip the scene to avoid writing actual romance and emotional development
>>722434802Spamton is a prophet for this kind of thingYou'll get freedomBut not in the way you wantIt won't be what you bargined for.and when you've ruined everythingYou'll wonder if it was really worth it.
>>722434648It's not impossible, but considering how loose the monarchy actually seems I find that hard to believe.
>>722434870Kill yourself
>>722434967If this happens I will fire bomb Toby’s house
>>722434802It will be lesbian ending goodStraight ending badAnd then someone will have to mod the game to make it based and playable and not gay propaganda
>>722434525>or something some furry drew.You do know that can describe canon Noelle as well, right?
>>722434552Have you considered just watching Twin Peaks or playing persona 4?
>>722434548The Weird Route is about getting freedom at any cost. I WILL get a different ending, and I don't care what I have to destroy to get it.
>Called Toby Fox>his persona is a dog???
>>722435070If it doesn't happen I will firebomb all of Japan.I want the tragedy to end in a dual suicide.
>>722431893Susie would be both your lover and best friend who play video games with you.Noelle is just the pretty girl who is cute but also who is an opposite of you and don't care about your hobbies. Susie's are too rare in this world to choose Noelle. Basically you should pick female Naruto over typical Hinata
>>722435076Both the normal and weird routes are seemingly leading up to tragedy anon, it doesn't fitIf anything Gerson seems to foreshadow that the third, inbetween option might be the way to save everyone.
>>722435176How is that relatedThe gay trash taints this game so much its unplayable I cant wait for it to be rewritten, Ill do it myself if I have to once it all comes out
>>722435270The third option better be a human harem
>>722434826How would Carol react?
>>722435395
>>722435270There is no third option. The normal route is already trying to subvert the prophecy.
>>722434967
A Kris, I missed out on contributing UTDR art because of my Catholic faith and freak genius that has owned all woke (even my best friend when she was helping Toby with Undertale) so it’s nice to do some at some point.
>>722434967>noelle and kris get a single moment alone where she's elated that kris is back, that they can be friends again, that maybe she can creep closer and they can be something else>innocent optimism ruined by some extra dimensional entity obsessed with freedom tampering with their lives that plunges them both down an awful path the rose visual was the best metaphor desu but rapefags ruined it
>>722435230see >>722435146
>>722435253Noelle is a freak who is down for whatever. She has a bunch of weird deviantart fetishes, and so do
>>722434842Yes, I'm... someone. Again, are you out of material or what?
>>722432730Nah, bro. Bonds like between Kris and Susie can't be broken due to sex, politics, lack of money or takes on Israel. She is already your best buddy. Meanwhile Noelle is going to cuck you the moment you stay at work for too long
>>722435585>best metaphor desu but rapefags ruined itIf you want to blame someone blame toby, no-one but him wrote the sexual energy and themes snowgrave has. Spamton alone basically spells it out, calling her your side bitch HOCHI MAMA. Making LOVE with her.
>>722434750Hey don't look at me, I don't use Discord.Closest to weird shit I do is watching that one dude's steam profile.I have standards.
Deltarune was such a mistake it's unreal I hope every single one of you dies.
>>722435585the rape imagery was intentional. Toby just got cold feet at the last minute.
>>722433464Spamton is talking about Dess and Carol, he is revealing Kris plan to player in cryptic way.
>>722434115>ERP>Discordyou might be beyond help, Anon.
>>722435270You could maybe only read that in on a weird route which seems to ACTUALLY be following the prophecy.
>>722435838absolutely gasterblasted
>>722435838
>>722435890And the dating shoes scene? Something else? Or the various rings you give Noelle? None of that means anything?
I always get sad when Deltarune threads end I always enjoy talking to you guys.
>>722435890insane cope
>>722435838>Friend in me referece got cut offAt least you know tobby knows
If its ever find out who discarded your Vessel, would (You) kill them if given the opportunity to do so?
>>722436107DON'T FORGETI'M WITH YOUIN THE ARCHIVESTHE PROMISEINSIDE OUR HEARTS
>>722436107How do you feel being part of the same harem as Flowey?
>>722435771>>722435850I don't really think so. Most of Kris's advances, despite being imposed by us, were thought by Noelle as to be coming from Kris and were reciprocated. I don't think Spamton was aware of the SOUL's weird player nature either. The moments leading up to the "rape" scene were ominous, but also very obviously romantic. Then, we butt in and start doing WR shit. I really think, looking at all the pieces, it was secondaries who hadn't played the game and Toby not wanting his game to be tainted by that.
>>722436107Same. I promise I will play ch. 4 soon so we can discuss that.
>>722436178yes
>>722436178I'm more curious if anythingWas the vessel always meant to be lost in the prophecy?How the fuck was everything meant to go?
>>722436107SameThese are currently the best threads in /v/ maybe even the site
>>722436216>I don't think Spamton was aware of the SOUL's weird player nature either.Spamton is a certified knower. He even knew about the rose. He knows about (you).The weird route, even if its not literally rape, is meant to resemble an abusive relationship. The whole thing, not just that couch scene.
>>722436336Female Kris theory answers this.
>>722435365Me...
