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After pretending for over half a decade that nothing had changed in terms of matchmaking, they're folding.

They're literally afraid
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70k on the PAYED open beta

meanwhile bf6s open beta, free, had
521,079
all-time peak 2 months ago
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>>722484793
>70k on the PAYED open beta
It's worse than that on Steam.
Call of Duty launcher includes players from every Call of Duty game since nu-MW2, including Warzone
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They never pretended SBMM/EOMM didn't exist though?
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>>722485545
They always said something like
>SBMM existed at least since BO2 AND YOU NEVER COMPLAINED ABOUT IT, SHUT UP
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>>722485585
I mean they're not wrong. """SBMM"" was always the matchmaking algoritmn. The vast majority of games by 2012 had matchmaking and thus """SBMM""", even league of legends in the very old days would only throw people together of about equal skill. The only games without SBMM are games with server browsers and no matchmaking.

Furthermore they have proven that it is a better system. Activision ran studies on their games that secretly deactivated and activated various levels of SBMM. People without SBMM were losing far more frequently, which caused them to make much more reports that everyone was cheating, while people with SBMM had the highest retention rate, meaning they were the happiest players.
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>>722486503
thank you activision representative but I wont play games with matchmaking. give me a server browser like in cod4 pc.
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>>722486503
Everyone loved MW2 and its matchmaker was
>We fill lobby
Perhaps if you make a fun game, players will play it?
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>>722484683
Christ I haven't played a CoD since Blops 3 and it was so fucking sweaty I dropped online FPSs entirely
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>>722484793
no real point speculating on this comparison when we will have proper open vs open numbers in a day
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BO6 revenue must have been really grim for them to kill it in under a year
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>>722486503
i can't trust anything from activision considering they also try to put people who actively buy cash shop stuff in games with people who dont
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>>722487068
isn't this how every cod game operates?
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>>722486909
>it was so fucking sweaty I dropped online FPSs entirely
Probably for the best. You gotta be seriously dogshit to think CoD is too sweaty.
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>>722487503
They stagger separate series year to year, but they never push out 2 entries in the same series under a year.
It has usually been 2 years per entry.
So 6 to 7 in under a year is a first
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>>722487014
Battlefield 6 had 400K on Steam alone during the closed beta.
Average "Call of Duty" player count on Steam went up by 40K during the closed beta.

We can already compare
>b-b-but they gave away free codes for close beta!
So they with BO7, some twitch drops.
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>>722486859
No, the matchmaker prioritized players with good connections to each other because of the p2p nature of the game. After it filled the lobby, it would then balance the teams based on the players available. Your skill was still rated and you were placed on a team accordingly. If this was the normal matchmaking system now, all you retarded faggots would instead be parroting "god I get dogshit teammates every fucking game."
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>>722484683
having actually tried it, it changes nothing, must be good placebo for codnigger schizoprhenics though
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>>722486503
>activision ran studies
You are actually the most retarded person alive
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>>722488857
SBMM changed the culture of COD into sweats.
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>but I wanna pubstomp
SBMM in competitive games literally predates videogames by at least a generation. Who the fuck wants to get rid of SBMM. I can kind of see how people would object to EOMM, even if I think it’s a pretty good thing, and I can definitely see how people object to any matchmaking manipulation designed to drive people toward MTX.

But basic unadulterated SBMM is like the most unobjectionable addition to a competitive game that could possibly exist.
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>>722488267
proof?
id assume player spots on teams were on a first come first served basis
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>>722484683
>nothing had changed in terms of matchmaking
But that's not true. You are literally lying. They said there has always been some form of SBMM. That you never got matched with just anyone in your region. And that the severity of the SBMM parameters has changed and will continue to change. Like seriously, why the fuck do you faggots think you can just lie and move on?
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The only thing that could get me to care about COD again would be an MCC style release that combines the games up to BO2
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"SBMM is bad" propoganda is propagated by all the streamers because they want to stomp new players while they try hard with their meta builds.
Playing in your elo should be mandated in every online game.
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>durrr SBMM always existed!!!
yes but it didnt track literally every little single thing you do
how much you sprint, how much time youre on an objective, perks you use, attachments
its insane
and its so bad in CoD you never see killstreaks past maybe 7 kills because everyone plays the same lmao
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>>722487821
Stfu retard, MW3 came right after MW2 in 2022/23
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>>722489710
>yes but it didnt track literally every little single thing you do
How do you know that?
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>>722489647
>Playing in your elo should be mandated in every online game.
fuck that
I don't want to be matched with absolute beginners who bought the game 20 minutes ago and have zero idea what they're doing but I certainly don't want every single game mode to be a carbon copy of ranked games either.
all they have to do is ask new players if they want to play with bots to learn the game or if they want to jump in the action and be matched with real players.
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>>722484793
>>722487014
wasnt bf6 beta for preorders only until 9.08?
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>>722489259
People who want to get rid of SBMM are generally either people who just don't understand statistics or who believe that all SBMM is actually EOMM
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>>722484683
Unless they completely fix COD I just don't care and I'd only buy the complete finished version during a deep sale at best
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>>722489430
I'm not going to sift through a million results of people whining about the modern MM systems in call of duty. It isn't a secret how the old games used to work.
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>>722489839
if you cant realize mw2019 was a shifting point in data collection thats on you
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always just thought it was because open voice chat and banter died along with disbanding lobbies.
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unless they remove the stupid cosmetics CoD is still dogshit
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>>722490179
Trust me bro?
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>>722489259
>to a competitive game
That's really the issue, I think. Nobody complains about SBMM in games like CS because it's an actual competitive game. CoD is a casual game where people want to play with their friends and where the devs purposefully try to make the skill gap small and let worse players get cheap kills while dangling a chopper gunner in front of the better one to make up for it. It's only natural that this results in frustration when you then try to put everybody in even matches.

I think people also might have legitimate complaints about the way CoD's SBMM in specific is implemented but CoD players are retards that can't articulate themselves nor do they even play other games to know there's a difference so they just cry that SBMM is bad all day.
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>>722487821
they had to make this game this year. its the sequel to black ops 2, which takes place in 2025, and they were saving the answer to black ops 2 for 2025
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>>722490256
>every post should have a snopes fact checked source
kys
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>>722490045
No, they're people who really believe that "everyone averages a 50% win rate in the long term" is a bad thing. There are a sizeable quantity of people on /v/ who think that if you're better than 80% of the playerbase, it should be reflected in an average 80% win rate.
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>>722490395
It is impossible to ever reason with people like that. They are convinced the game gives them bad teammates on purpose to keep their winrate 50%. It'd be like if someone said the coin only landed on heads because it went tails 3 times in a row. They fundamentally don't understand statistics.
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>>722490395
Those fall under "don't understand statistics"
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>>722484683
Ehhhhh I remember fps games before most had sbmm and maybe I was just a shitter kid back then but I never really got hooked because being matched with cracked tryhards who had played those games for years just made it feel like a cheap respawn simulator and impossible to enjoy
If overwatch didn’t have sbmm, my favorite game of all time (before blizz butchered raped and buried it), I doubt I would’ve gotten hooked and put thousands of hours in it
Getting kills is the only thing that makes pvp shooters fun, without sbmm that’s pretty much impossible as a noob so new players just wouldn’t keep playing. Why would they?
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>>722490479
How so? There's a certain sense in which that is "fair"; if players were truly matched with one another randomly, win rate would be a good approximation of relative skill. You win 65% of matches, you're better than 65% of players. You're in the "65th percentile".

What it fails to understand is how in the long term, for every player that wins 70% of their matches, there has to be a player that LOSES 70% of their matches, and that player quits because it's not fun to just lose all the time. So driving everyone towards a 50% win ratio by matching them with equally skilled opponents (in principle) maximizes the amount of total enjoyment for any randomly chosen player.
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>>722489259
>but I wanna pubstomp
yeah?
what is the point of putting effort into getting better at a game if you cant become a god on the server?
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>>722488267
Damn, that sounds great. They should try a weekend of that and then we'll talk.
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if manipulative SBMM didnt exist why has Activision always been in control of it and not the devs? they arent even allowed to comment on it without permission
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>>722490604
Players are rated with Arbitrary Number. Players are matched onto teams where the average Arbitrary Number is the same. If you're on a 10 game win streak, you still get put into a game where the Arbitrary Number average for each team equals out to the match having a 50% winrate.
>>722490654
If you didn't play CoD on xbox in 2009 you honestly missed out from a social perspective. Most lobbies would be people from your state because of how ping was prioritized first.
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>>722490395
>as you get better at the game your winrate and stats should improve
Yes anon, that is how ot works. A 50% enforced winrate doesn't give you the same dopamine rush.
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>>722490604
>How so?
You explained it yourself, a system where some people win 70% of their matches and others lose 70% is statistically unsustainable, as soon as those 70% losers stop playing the 70% winners are no longer better than 70% of the playerbase and their win rate drops until they're eventually on the losing side of the system and complaining about that instead.
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>>722484683
Does BO6 and this one really have ai generated content in it?
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>>722490768
>you still get put into a game where the Arbitrary Number average for each team equals out to the match having a 50% winrate.
Yes? So? This is indeed how SBMM works, you are matched with players whose ranking is proximal to your own with the objective of a long-term average of 50% win/loss. I understand how SBMM works, what's your point?
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>>722490785
People that would lose 70% of the time drop off call of duty after a week or two after launch even with SBMM. The sweats are the only ones that stick around for a full cycle until the next launch.
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>>722490395
>There are a sizeable quantity of people on /v/ who think that if you're better than 80% of the playerbase, it should be reflected in an average 80% win rate.
Which is really bizarre considering how dogshit all the vidya boards are at video games.
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>>722490776
The problem is, you still have an "enforced" 50% winrate, just ask the FGC

>consistently do better than average
>lowest performing players consistently drop the game/change servers
>your overall position in the hierarchy diminishes from the bottom up as the worst players quit
>eventually you wind up at a 50% win rate

Either this is equilibrium for you, or you continue to fall until YOU quit. The only reliable way to have an above-average winrate for the life cycle of a game is to be the very best player, otherwise the worst players tend to quit until winrates average out.
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>>722490369
No, only those that make unverified claims. Especially those that are based on data only the developers have. Or did they make that data public? Would be a great time for you to link it.
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>>722489259
How to disprove SBMM being good in a simple way.
>Get back from work
>Tired, want to just chill the fuck out
With SBMM
>Get curbstomped every second round because the game dictates I have to lose, get heightened blood pressure, teams are either 100% retarded of 100% chinese hackers, no inbetween
>If I play better, I lose more
>If I play worse, I win more
>Literally punished for playing the game
Without SBMM
>There's 'that one guy' on the enemy team who plays like Neo from the Matrix, a bunch of newbs, some average players
>My team mostly the same
>I can curbstomp some faggots while being curbstomped and it doesn't feel bad
>Wins actually come down to which team is better rather than a pre-ordained outcome
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>>722490942
https://www.ign.com/articles/call-of-duty-players-are-getting-activision-to-send-them-their-personal-information-so-they-can-find-out-their-hidden-sbmm-rating
1 second in google
now go fuck yourself
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>>722489259
This is a bot. There is no difference between “SBMM” and “EOMM”

Only bots parrot this
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>>722490985
>Get back from work
>Tired, want to just chill the fuck out
>decide to engage in competitive activity to relax
>get frustrated when it demands I be competitive
There are a billion and six video games your nigger ass could choose to play, and you choose to put yourself into a PVP setting where the objective is to win by outperforming another human trying to outperform you. You do this despite finding it stressful, by your own admission, and then bitch that you are in a stressful situation. A situation of your own devising.

You are dumb as fuck.
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>>722490868
Okay, so let's jump forward a week or two in this hypothetical timeline and remove the casuals from the equation. We now have a playerbase that is exclusively the "sweats", and with exclusively random matchmaking we have sweats who win 70% of their matches and sweats who lose 70% of their matches. Now the 70% losing sweats get fed up, quit the game like the casuals before them, and now the 70% winning sweats are no longer winning 70% of the time because there are fewer players worse than them in the system. This repeats until those 70% winners have become the new 70% losers and they also quit the game.
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>>722484793
It's paid nigga. Yeah I know it doesn't make sense but that's English for you.
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>>722490985
The easy way to disprove it working is league of legends had to remove the ability to see who your team and opponents were because simply looking at match history and pre emptively dodging was so consistently the correct EV move because it was really obvious to when you were “supposed to lose”
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>>722484683
This is a bad idea and everyone knows it, only the most sweathards want this.
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>>722484793
>PAYED
Paid, you fucking retard.
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>>722491149
Hey it's not my fault you were born after 2005, you know that PVP games used to be relaxing and fun in the past right? Because they didn't have SBMM and had server browsers instead.
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>>722491060
EOMM is SBMM + we throw you a win if you start losing too often because the human brain is retarded and can't comprehend randomness.

It's basically Apple "Smart shuffle", true randomization feels less random than an algorithm designed to fake randomization because human heuristics for randomness look like small-scale heterogeneity. Ask a person to write down the outcome of 50 sequential coin tosses, and it's all but guaranteed there's never a run of more than 3-4 "H" or "T" in a row. If you actually toss a coin 50 times in a row, it's all but inevitable that a row of 7 "H" or "T" in a row happens somewhere.
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>>722491149
Anon.

It’s a game. It’s not real competition. Only actual psychotic and broken individuals cannot discern the difference between a game and real life.
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>>722491002
>Unfortunately, this data in isolation doesn’t help players understand how their skill rating compares to others'. It also doesn’t reveal the skill rating of the lobby or why a player's skill rating changed from game to game.

So it's worthless because the parameters are still secret. Worse even, it's misleading because all it is, is an indication that "play better, number goes up" from which retards are drawing all kinds of conclusions which are based on nothing but data we don't understand.
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>>722490776
>A 50% enforced winrate doesn't give you the same dopamine rush.
How? I remember trying to play my smurf without my friends that I made it for and getting bored before my first match was over. Stomping shitters can be fun at times, for sure, but it's nothing compared to stomping a server and even getting accused of cheating by what you know are statistically some of the best players in the world.
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>>722491149
Pvp used to be something everyone enjoyed instead of the nightmare fuel Skinner box it commonly is.
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>>722490914
I'm pretty good at Quake
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>>722491246
Holy chatGPT
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>>722491256
>Only actual psychotic and broken individuals cannot discern the difference between a game and real life.
If that were true then you wouldn't
>get heightened blood pressure
when you lost half your matches, now would you? I'm not the one bitching that competitive games stress me out and demanding I be allowed to pubstomp for my heart health instead of playing a single player game if I find competition too vexing for my old ass.
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>>722491246
>EOMM is SBMM + we throw you a win if you start losing too often because the human brain is retarded and can't comprehend randomness.
SBMM does the same shit.
>Sorry goy you won too many rounds today, next round you're up against a full squad of cheating chinks! Sorry! If you buy that new skin pack we might reset your SBMM ranking for the week!
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>>722491374
>you wouldn’t
I am clearly not the person you replied to originally newfaggot schizo. You are aware this ain’t a fucking twitter or some shit this is a mongolian glass blowing board anyone can reply to your post
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>>722491374
>when you lost half your matches, now would you? I'm not the one bitching that competitive games stress me out and demanding I be allowed to pubstomp for my heart health instead of playing a single player game if I find competition too vexing for my old ass.
Without SBMM, your skill actually can affect the outcome of the game. With SBMM it's basically irrelevant.
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>>722491448
Then maybe don't jump in on a reply chain to chime in with a random retarded opinion that has nothing to do with what's being discussed by the people having a conversation?
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>>722490353
That's because MW3 was basically an expansion for MW2. There was nothing at all new offered.
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>>722490985
>If I play better, I lose more
>If I play worse, I win more
See this is one of those "doesn't understand statistics" people because in a properly functioning SBMM system no matter how you play you win the same percentage of your games in the long run, how well you play just changes the people you are playing against.
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>>722491481
>Without SBMM, your skill actually can affect the outcome of the game. With SBMM it's basically irrelevant.
Your skill affects your rank. It's absolutely possible to play better than a 50% winrate, it causes your rank to go up. Maybe try actually getting better instead of stagnating?
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SBMM is REDDIT
>hurr matched with people at the same skill level = fair!
FACT: People at different "skill levels" have different play styles. In COD, most people at higher "skill level" just have a higher KD from playing extremely defensively. You are now playing hide and seek.
FACT: "Ranked" modes already exist.
FACT: Silently matching you against harder opponents as you improve is prevents the player from experiencing any reward for improving.
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>>722491569
>Your skill affects your rank. It's absolutely possible to play better than a 50% winrate, it causes your rank to go up. Maybe try actually getting better instead of stagnating?
>Get higher rank
>Have to go up against no-life koreans and cheating chinamen
>Winrate goes back down to 50%
Fuck that.
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>>722491571
>Silently matching you against harder opponents as you improve is prevents the player from experiencing any reward for improving.
This is true, but the problem is you can't let all players experience that reward for improving. PVP is zero-sum, in order for someone to win someone else has to lose. In order for someone to win more than they lose, someone has to lose more than they win. Someone has to get crushed into dust so badly that they quit to give you your dopamine hit. And it necessarily has to happen until the point that YOU are the one losing more than you win, because there's nobody left who's worse than you for you to shit on every match.
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>>722491256
>It’s a game. It’s not real competition.
Why do you care if you lose then?
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>>722491638
/v/ isn't really a website for casuals, you should try gamefaq or reddit.
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>>722484683
>Look no more gay skins!
>Look no more SBMM
>Look here's classic style zombies!
Damn they are actually afraid
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>>722491759
>/v/ isn't really a website for casuals
lol
Reddit is probably less casual now on average than /v/, at least if you look at boards for any MP game. No way we'd win a modern day shazbowl. Anons would probably start crying that they're cheating or say they must have no lives.
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How are you entitled to a winrate above 50% when your opponents are humans who want to do the same?
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>>722491526
I can do whatever I want you retarded faggot

You have literally no clue about Jack shit, you don’t know what a game is and don’t knke what a forum is
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>>722490985
>play gaem
>get angry
skill issue
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>>722484683
Wake me when they move away from "playlists" and "offerings" and go back to actual lobbies that don't disband with voting and staying with the last group of people you played with
Nothing makes me feel like a real hardcore gamer like loading up my favorite product and looking at the offerings available
Fuck AAA gaming online multiplayer died after 360 era
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>>722492473
You don't understand, it's the game's fault for not letting me win. Other players aren't supposed to try and actually beat me, it's just a game, man.
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>>722492590
What an atrocious samefag
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>>722492653
Nope, multiple people just think you're a bitch.
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>>722492695
That was my first post this thread retard bro
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>>722486503
this is wrong. (i.e. - forza horizon is an aaa game without ssbm, you frequently meet completely new players and prestige 5 sweats in the same lobby)
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>>722492764
>>722492695
>>722492653
>>722492590
All me
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>>722489259
>but I wanna pubstomp
Yes, that's literally CoD. No one cares about wining a match. They want HUGE kill streaks and tactical nukes. The whole point of CoD isn't to just win but completely decimate the opponent. No one wants to barely break even in their KD in some shitty close match.
People that play CoD always want unfair matches but only when they're the ones on top.
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Backwards sprint looks so stupid.I know you can run back irl.
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>>722492473
>>722492653
>>722492764
All me
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>>722484683
>Now that people are complaining that the game is fuckass boring they bring back the youtube matchmaking
kek
They are fucked
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>>722486503
>highest retention rate
>happiest players
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I hate all matchmaking, give me a server browser.
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>>722486859
>>722487337
>>722488952
>>722492870
>>722490985
I clicked a COD thread by accident and I'm not surprised of actual drooling morons being in the thread.
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didnt they do a study that when people arent actually using SBMM they hate it even more?
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>>722484683
The problem is that shit is frontloaded. COVID forced Activision to extend Warzone's lifespan, and even though it worked in the long run, they still continue with annual releases. Because they know that retards will buy it at launch.
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>classic matchmaking
>skill is minimally considered
bullshit lies
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>>722490985
/thread
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>ctrl + p
>enter enter
>read paper
>47 mentions of SBMM
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Lmao it was so obvious to anyone that actually played if you won a match it started putting you with cheaters immediately

CoD can die now, we’re ready
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>>722493567
Yes but people who already don't trust them when they say that the system is SBMM instead of EOMM aren't going to trust any studies they do either.
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>>722484683
I'll consider coming back for the next title if they guarantee SBMM is fully removed.
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>>722491220
>>722491184
It's paided, actually.
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what was that big FPS game that actually removed SBMM and it turned out shit because now sweatlords were in every match and not just the top MMR?
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>>722490985
>How to disprove SBMM being good in a simple way.
I got an ever simpler way
>Before SBMM: nobody complained
>After SBMM: daily complaints
Q.E.D.
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SBMM obsession is kind of a mental illness thing, it's just another thing to excuse yourself for losing honestly

Engagement based matchmaking, now that's genuinely evil. the fact that games will do stuff like secretly put you in with bots to make you feel better after a loss is genuinely nightmarish.
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>>722490985
20 years ago I'd laugh in your face if you told me that games are going to literally try to make you the loser in a matchup because of some arbitrary values devs calculate.
What a horrific time to be alive and into PvP vidya
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>>722484793
cod is giving out codes like candy its not closed lol

also that includes BO6, Warzone and BO7 beta

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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>>722490985
this problem isn't with no SBMM matchmaking, this problem is with no server browser and thus no truly casual servers.

no SBMM means people who are good at the game get to curbstomp everyone else 24/7. I know because I've regularly been the guy curbstomping everyone else in games with no SBMM. It's not a good thing.
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>>722491560
>properly functioning SBMM system no matter how you play you win the same percentage of your games in the long run
Wow sure sounds like a "reasonable" system lmfao. 99% of these SBMM implementations mean one thing: stomp retards or be absolutely stomped according to a magical value calculated by the devs and the ~1% "proper" systems you're talking about give you zero opportunities to improve. "Fun" as fuck
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>>722494586
>SBMM obsession is kind of a mental illness thing, it's just another thing to excuse yourself for losing honestly
I've been an avid FPS player for +25 years and I've always been the top 1% in whatever game I played. I literally had to stop playing CoD entirely a few years ago because it was so fucking blatant that the game was completely ruined by the combo of controller aim assist + SBMM/EOMM intentionally ruining like 80% of the matches.

It is definitely warranted for people to complain about it. Some people may exaggerate some of the details, but it has definitely ruined CoD entirely for me, and I didn't even have high standards for CoD in the first place, because it has always been a second-tier FPS game to me.
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>>722494792
this is just utter horseshit. seriously, be serious with yourself and others: you want to be rewarded for getting slightly above average by constantly being able to rack up score on shitters. Most games I play with SBMM I have fairly even matches most of the time. The studies they did where only the top 1% of players had more fun when SBMM was removed wasn't a conspiracy it was just the obvious conclusion
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>>722494725
>no SBMM means people who are good at the game get to curbstomp everyone else 24/7
The absence of this makes average players and newbies unable to improve at all
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>>722494948
>average players and newbies unable to improve at all
you learn by getting your shit kicked in, thats how boys become men
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>>722494948
Only a certain kind of person improves by getting farmed by a far better player, plenty would prefer the experience of a slow incline over getting thrown into the deep end 1v1ing rapha
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>>722489259
>competitive game
As long as you are playing with randos on your team, it will never be a competitive game.
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>>722494854
I strongly dislike overpowered aim assist and I fucking detest engagement optimized matchmaking but I've never had a strong SBMM issue. I just do the best I can and it's usually fun and fine.
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>>722494940
>be serious with yourself and others: you want to be rewarded for getting slightly above average by constantly being able to rack up score on shitters
That's just your shitty worthless conjecture you're making up to give your argument more legitimacy (le evil greedy billionaires racking up money and laughing at poor people tier, are you a leftist by any chance?) as you're intentionally missing parts of the whole picture. Curbstompers in pub lobbies are necessary for the ecosystem to function, or else you wouldn't have anyone to look up to.
What you're advocating for is essentially communism in video games, this shit will NEVER work. Proof is in the pudding: before the ridiculous arbitrary Commie-style SBMM trash there were ZERO problems with pub matches in games, everyone understood the rules until DEI retards who specialize in creating problems (they "knew better" just like these worthless hacks who "knew better" what Tolkien meant than Tolkien himself in Rings of Power) went in and massacred a system that worked for countless games in the past.
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>>722494948
If SBMM is bad for not letting you play against better players, why is so much of this thread complaints about people being put in matches against better players by SBMM systems?
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>>722495164
Maybe it depends on the level of the matches. In the games that I play in, it's almost always painfully obvious when the SBMM/EOMM has decided that one team needs to lose, because everyone in the whole lobby is equally skilled and playing like a top 1% player, and then there's one dude on the team that's meant to lose that's going 0-20.

It's like the system is not even trying to hide that it's intentionally just ruining the game, for the sake of keeping certain numbers and parameters in check.
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>>722495352
if you're le based traditon man you should be advocating for server browsers, not for random matchmaking.
SBMM is just sensible for random on the spot matches. You can have variations where it doesn't prioritized a skill match over finding a match at all, but a raw pubstomp match is shit for the stomper and shit for the stomp-ee.
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>>722495164
I couldn't make it past the tutorial in Remnant 2 because as soon as you brought up sights you'd snap directly to the enemy. I wanted to play a shooter, not a rhythm game.
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>>722484683
Don't care, playing BF6.
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>>722495701
Why not a sbmm that prioritizes putting players of similar skill together instead of player engagement? Just because big publishers built algorithms to keep people queueing up again using dirty tricks and named it SBMM doesn't mean that Halo 2 ranks never existed.
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>>722495929
>Just because big publishers built algorithms to keep people queueing up again using dirty tricks
that's EOMM that's different. Nobody would disagree with you shitting on EOMM
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>>722496037
That's pretty funny. I guess people weren't too far off the actual truth when they called it BLOPS 6.5 in jest.
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>>722496037
lmao
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>>722496037
CoDfags deserve this.
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>>722490937
>lowest performing players consistently drop the game/change servers
No, they can leverage deathstreaks and noobtubes to secure a few kills. If they get lucky, they can deny the top scorer's tactical nuke, getting a huge dopamine hit. As long as they make a few plays and have someone to look up to, they will keep playing.
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>>722491149
the objective reality is i had way more fun playing in non SBMM games than in SBMM games and so did vast majority of players, blow your brains out govcorpo bootlicking FAGGOT
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>>722496796
>If they get lucky, they can deny the top scorer's tactical nuke, getting a huge dopamine hit.
this 2bh. Ending the tryhards kill streak is like that third place medal meme
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>>722496796
>have someone to look up to
lmao what the fuck are you smoking?
>finish work
>play some cod
>get btfo for 3 hours in a row by sweaty tryhard teenagers and unemployed
>GEE I sure am having fun looking up to these kids. niggerhitler420 topping the scoreboard is my idol :)
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>144GB to download beta without Warzone
lol lmao
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>>722484683
Call of Duty hasn't been good in about 20 years you fucking retard. MW2 was the beginning of absolute shit and it never ended. Read what you wrote you dipshit
>black Ops 7
>7
>Yeah! Cool! You like fast paced gameplay like you like fast paced meme scrolling!? Well here is "Meme template" the video game number 7! That's fucking right! We made 7 of these fucking pieces of shit! Everything is happening so fast you won't have time to realize it's the same fucking game! It's just like Half-Life Blue Shift, a mod, but we charge $99.99 for it! These fucking retards have bought every single one on pre-order for $120! Why would we ever change anything!? The retards just keep buying it!
The modern world of video games was ruined by pathetic normie retards like you, WOW players, and the "Souls genre" community such as resident evil fags. People who purchase mods masquerading as full games. Everybody in this thread discussing this beyond what I said is a fucking retard that should be on redd!t or some other fag board for normal fags like you instead of pretending you're too obscure or whatever your faggot brain thinks. Get fucked normie
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>>722484858
Only Warzone and BO6, IIRC. Every other earlier title was put into their own depot after people (rightly) complained about drive-bloat.
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>>722497936
did chatgpt write this?
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>>722488952
Explain why would a fucking exec care about the outcome of this study?
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>>722491220
ESLGODS winned bigly though
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>>722491160
If that was true then call of duty would have failed to launch in its early days.
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>>722496034
But cod without a doubt has had EOMM lately, no matter whether they call it SBMM or not.
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>>722498090
Chatgpt wouldn't say anything that could possibly drive down profits of a company. It just wasn't written by a retard so it's like a foreign language to you.
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>>722489985
No. Labs invite, Twitch viewers (like 2 hours for a code like Snorewatch), and paid folks.

Period was August 6-7, then open for 8-10.
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>>722484683
SBMM has never been an issue for me. I don't understand the complaints. You should want an intense match. What's the whole point of it being a competitive shooter if it isn't competitive?
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>>722500737
They are bots retard not people. You can't beat bots. If you are meant to lose you will. They handicap bots in competitive gameplay lol
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APOLOGIZE
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>>722501180
Over 100 posts and people don’t mention this utter kino return to form…..I swear I hate you can’t play this properly anymore it’s utterly fucked
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>>722501180
>Return to form
>Go back to bad habits after

Maybe I shouldnt have supported it looking back
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>>722484793
>chart tranny finds out there's little interest in CoD on PC
still gonna outsell BF like it did every single time before
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>>722484683
>minimal
just fucking remove it entirely
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>>722501180
Infinity ward make the best cods now
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They can say they are shipping with no SBMM, and people would still say it has it.

At this point, who cares. They should only have Ranked in the first place.
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>>722484683
>ITT: faggots who have yet to understand that the biggest publishers are actively trying to tie gameplay mechanics to EOMM, to micromanage the milking of their paypigs within macromanaged lobbies
Enjoy having your "RNG", recoil, bloom, damage values etc. tampered with to facilitate MTX-conducive powerfantasies of turboshitters.
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>>722491206
That's a result of EOMM not SBMM, problem is devs are obviously not going to openly say "we are rigging matches to make you want to play more" lol
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>>722491908
I remember Activision didn't budge when EA baited them on BF3 vs MW3 shitflinging back in the day. For Activision to change shit like this to bring goodwill back, something happened and they might not be as confident as usual, which is unusal.
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the issue isnt SBMM, its people who are literally cheating and cant get caught
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>>722501961
>They can say they are shipping with no SBMM, and people would still say it has it.
happened with xDefiant.
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>Ugggghhhh I don't want to actually TRY, I want to beat the shit out of fresh installs and literal children
The pushback against SBMM really shows the type of knuckle draggers that play CoD.
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>>722501180
>forced crossplay
>created nu SBMM
>forced a bigger ADHD gameplay (makes bo4 look like a slow COD)
>at the same time a camper paradise
>worst maps since ghosts
>killed multiplayer with warzone
>only two playable multiplayer maps (shooothouse and shipment)
nah.
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>>722502270
only true CODfags hate kino 2019 face it.
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>>722502251
>every game has to be a le hardcore """""esports""""" simulator because i threw my life away and mommy pampers me because im an urbanite subhuman so videogames are a job to me
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>>722502270
Slide canceling was discovered late you can’t fault a glitch on that
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>>722502094
Blops 6 had a historically high player dropoff. If people aren't sticking around, they're not buying your overpriced DLC shit
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>>722502068
Is that even a problem? I can understand when the mindfucking is designed to get you to paypig for MTX, but
>honest balance is demonstrably less fun so now we’re tricking you so you have more fun and want to play for longer
Seems like good game design. It’s the SBMM equivalent of coyote time in platformers, a lie you tell the player to help the game FEEL fairer even though at a codebase level it’s cheating in their favor.

I don’t see how a stated aim of “make the game more fun so people keep playing” is something to bitch about.
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>>722484683
Please let this series die already and make zombies a separate mode. Actually just pirate Blops 1 and 3 zombies and call it a day
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>>722502395
>Playing against people with fully developed brains and a similar skill level is e-sports
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>>722500151
>It just wasn't written by a retard so it's like a foreign language to you.
it was written by illiterate schizo who spergs for no apparent reason
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>>722490837
BO1 has ai opponents
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>>722484683
I never thought I would see CoD panic and have to try and convince people to check out a beta
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>>722502675
>I don’t see how a stated aim of “make the game more fun so people keep playing” is something to bitch about.
Sounds like you'd be happy in a relationship with a broken, SSREyed BPD/NPD bipolar turboslut.
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>>722486503
>people with SBMM had the highest retention rate, meaning they were the happiest players.
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>>722489259
>>722490326
I think the real issue with COD is killstreaks. How is snowballing over powered abilities even remotely fair in the long run? COD players never bring up how drastically it changes the game over SBMM
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>>722490837
Almost all of the calling cards and emblems are ai art. Some of the random decals on the maps have been confirmed to be ai art.
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>>722501180
>game has great visuals
>people focus on that and ignore the woke campaign
amazing
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>>722501032
You're a faggot and I'm better than you
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>>722501868
Top fucking kek
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>>722498167
>Why would the jews care about which manipulation retains the most paypiggies for more MTX?
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>>722502856
It’s a video game, anon. I’m literally paying some software developer to tell me a convincing lie and contrive some challenges for me to face so I’ll be entertained.
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>>722503317
>I’m literally paying some software developer to tell me a convincing lie
Well, I do not pay for psychological abuse and exploitation propped up by +20yrs of marketing research.
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>>722502737
sbmm eliminates diversity and joy in analyzing the various behaviors and patterns of other players
and you cant bantz anymore in matchmakingkike games
moneystolenKINGS were right all this time, we should have listened
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>>722490395
>if you're better than 80% of the playerbase, it should be reflected in an average 80% win rate.
Unironically yes
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>>722490475
>They are convinced the game gives them bad teammates on purpose to keep their winrate 50%
Some games actually do do that though which is why this convo gets muddy
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>>722484683
I fucking hate this trend. same in battlefield 6 now too
>we have twenty different matchmaking modes to make it special just for YOU
>skill based
>open skill based
>locked guns
>open skill based guns
>locked RNG based guns
>air only maps
>open skill based air only maps
>air maps from the past
>big maps locked guns
>medium maps open guns only on weekends
FUCK OFF AND LET ME IN THE GAME
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Reading this thread is like watching people argue over which animal shit tastes better.

Zoomers will never know how superior dedicated servers were. Playing with people of similar skills? Bitch give the same server i play all time where i have learned the usernames of most of the regulars and where i have even found a dude that is just a little bit better than me and has become my personal nemesis and therefore teabag every single time we kill esch other.

Give me a community before all this competitive crap.
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>>722501180
One of the worst PC ports of all time. It would just blackscreen and refuse to work for weeks, months at a time for no reason.
I got it for free, but I would have cried fraud and gone for a refund if I hadn't. Fun game, but CP2077 release levels of should-not-have-been-allowed
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How did black ops 7 get released and announced in the time that it took me to think about buying BF6? This shit is so artificial and gay now. I’ll probably get BF6 but fuck CoDslop. Since there’s cheaters in every game now I’ll just pick the one that’s playable. I still might not get it though, fuck paying 70$ to still get matched against hackers.
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>>722490395
The funny thing about this is that in a 6v6 game the influence of a single player is diluted enough that 60% would be an incredible win rate generally. (CoD does allow one player to swing the game more with killstreaks, but even still)

>>722490604
No that is complete statistical conflation nonsense the best player on Earth is not winning 100% of the time even in a 1v1 game.
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>>722488267
>Achually it prios connection!
Wow what great input, fucking retard
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>>722489259
I want to get rid of SBMM because I'm always in the top 0.1%, meaning my queue times are long as fuck.
Im being punished for being better than almost everyone else
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the bo7 demo won't let me play on bnet
says i'm missing bo7 mp dlc
fuck they mean?
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>>722509810
you didn't buy the demo multiplayer dlc?
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>>722508086
what in the actual fuck
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>>722509914
silly me for thinking an open beta would be free
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>>722510208
it's free to install yes



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