>now every new DB game will use this shitty design for Bardock instead of the og one with the green armor
Bardock's canon has him time traveling in Trunk's ship and going super saiyan 3 and shit. None of this crap matters anymore.
>>722494685Did it ever REALLY matter
>>722496707Everything past Goku going super Saiyan and beating Frieza is essentially fan fiction canonized
>>722494527Sparking Zero has both
>Bardock's story was very well-received and liked>so much that even Toriyama decided to add him as a canon character in the manga by having Freeza mention him>years later his entire story gets retconned to something different anyhowI don't get it
I ignore everything that came after Dragon Ball Z, which was already going down hill in the final 2 major story arcs.
>>722494527Who cares about Bardock?We need vidya with HER
>>722494527I realized Son Gine is perfect protagonist of original DB till Frieza showdown saga
>>722499868>there will never be a storyline where Goku discovers a colony of reject saiyans (the ones sent off-planet for being too weak like he was)
>>722499868Already taken.
>>722500586Also BN can do Blood Omen/Legacy of Go-kain like action adventure games
>>722501072plague should go back to drawing buff saiyan ladies instead of making midlife crisis video essays
>>722496707>Superman's story> :|>Superman's story, Japan> :O
Why are they still making Dragon Ball games? The well is fuckin' dry and you're scraping water molecules off the sides.
>>722501569Piccolo mog Batmanlet
>>722498440Unfortunately Toriyama in his old age wasn't doing so well mentally. You can see this with his multiple introduced retcons. He was right the first time to finish Dragon Ball with the end of the Buu arc and the "EoZ" chapters.
>>722498440They went out of their way to show it still ending the same with Bardock trying to fight Frieza. I know how these sleazebags operate. They're keeping it tucked up their sleeves to revive interest in the series at some point in the future, Frieza can at any time mention he met and killed Goku's dad who was trying to save the planet, thus motivating Goku to try and meet his ghost since previously he assumed his dad was just yet another worthless space asshole like his brother.
>>722501072>ywn turn a femsaiyan into a depraved slutty monkey by fertilising her womb with your unworthy weskling sperm
>>722501812>retconsyou mean shit he literally forgot? like entire characters and plot arcs?
>>722497038The originally planned Son Goku died on Namek, leaving Gohan or Vegeta as solo Earth defenders.
>>722502056Sound hot.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msoTj_H-Hpw
>tranime>tranga>nu-DB
I decided to rewatch Dragon Ball from the start.I forgot how horny the first ten episodes or so are, it's literally non-stop like every character who is introduced attempts to molest Bulma or succeeds in molesting Bulma, usually while she's unconscious.
>>722502279Nowadays marvel into lgbt content
>>722502290>first ten episodesyou mean the entirety of dragon ball? The majority of the jokes amount to "haha, master roshi is a sexual predator! that old scamp!"
>>722494527looks more like Turles
>>722494527Good.Fuck Specialneedsdock
>>722502279Yup yup.
>>722502448Well maybe but I haven't got that far yet I guess.But it's not just him though it's literally everyone, Goku, Oolong, Yamcha, all of them had a go.
>>722496707Read it in abridged bardocks voice. Picture related. It's a bardock/goku
>>722502571>Goku
>>722494527I like the old Bardock special for its animation and tone but Bardock was always a retarded character concept.
>>722502290>introduced attempts to molest Bulma or succeeds in molesting Bulmahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXs6OV9Od_4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm0CAfyEf2s
>>722502685The only thing retarded about him were the premonition powers he got from being hit in the back of the neck by a random alien.
>>722501812Out of all the retcons I hate the saiyan one the most. I liked them more as space niggers who loved murdering people, and had the time of their lives working for Frieza. Makes Goku stand out. It took Vegeta 10+ years, a midlife crisis and dying twice to become slightly normal.
>>722494527Honestly the least of your worries, even if they use the old designs if the art style is shit I will comfortably SKIP.DBZ GANG
>>722502279Based CapeGOD!
>>722494527I want games about bubblegum pinky-chan.
>>722502683There's also the time she stuck a giant diamond up her cave, and later had to DIG for it to find it. Bejita bros...
>>722502803The fact Goku's dad just so happens to be the super-special Saiyan that Frieza remembers resisting him is retarded. Goku didn't need a Jor-El/John the Baptist analogue. It's stupid.
>>722502685Bardock never belonged in Dragon Ball
>>722502448Based Roshi.>Krillin's master btw
>>722498440Senileyama forgot
>>722498440watching bardock fans seethe is my favorite pastime
>>722502448> sexual predator> didnt have sex once or force sex on anyone even though he was fully capable of ityoure hystericalpoliticizing sex is whats killing the human race and civilization as a whole
>>722501569because superman has no consistency due to being passed around like a $5 whore to every writer in DC's stable.
>>722503330Why did Dr Gero give her a functioning womb?
>>722502290Toriyama was literally a coomer
>>722502685Bardock do belonged in Dragon Ball
>>722503056and Krillin too a Hwiff
>>722503525The power of dragon ball, no pun intended.
>>722503563...said Toei as they drown in the same puddle Future Shithan drowned in
>>722502448Roshi stops being a main character after the Saiyan Saga.
I feel like there's a lot of prequel shit they could do for this show but I guess they know nothing will succeed without Goku.
>>722494527>>722498440why can't both designs be included in the game as alternative costumes? most of you wear multiple outfits a week if not a day. why can't Bardock wear different armors? one is heavily damaged in battle so he puts on a new armor for his next battle. We saw Vageta do that.
>>722494527That's not Turles?It's getting hard to tell these fools apart.
>>72250352517 and 18 are just humans enhanced with cybernetics, not full robots, so the womb was already there.
c'mere monkey boy
>>722503829Both are in, NBCdock fans are just shitting their pants because the Special costume not default one in Sparking Zero
>>722503679>drownHe was killed via sadistic dance
>>722503896Can punks fem17 have artificial womb?
Why didn't Goku just go with Raditz?
>>722503896Gero should have put an extra bomb in there. I mean, what else is it good for?
>>722498440Toriyama is the Japanese George Lucas.
>>722504136Nope
>>722502448>>722503330>>722503531most of those Roshi scenes and horny scenes are filler. there are a lot of sexual gags in early Dragon Ball but non of them are erotic. The ones that are drawn to be erotic are typically anime filler. Toriyama wasn't a coomer. He was in it for the gags not the horny/erotica stuff.>>722502290watch this version of OG Dragon Ball since it cuts out 90%+ of the filler. It's only 82 episodes long instead of 153 episodes. So you can imagine how much better the pacing is. Both Sub & Dub are available:https://nyaa.si/view/1259391
>>722503709That's being generous. He's simply a bystander by the 23rd Budokai.
>>722504413He still gets a lot of screentime and dialogue.
>>722503948>NBCit's NCB
>>722504302Raditz wanted him to exterminate all sentient life on earth. Goku didn't like that. Raditz then kidnaped Goku's kid and Goku wanted the kid back. Goku was angry at Raditz calling him Kakarot. He didn't want to be like Raditz.
>>722504403That is what I'm watching actually, and I'll watch the Kai Recut afterwards and then maybe Super which I've never seen before, I don't know if it has any value but people seem to like it.
>>722504498It's Non Bacon Consumer
>>722504302if he was the type of guy to join Raditz then he was never going to defeat Frieza by becoming a super saiyan
>>722504658forewarning, /v/ is full of nostalgiafags so don't take any opinion on Super here seriously
>>722504683Turles is what Goku would have been if not for the head injury. He wouldn't go with Raditz, he would build his own pirate crew.
>>722498440one day people will realize that Toriyama's death was the greatest thing that ever happened to DB, since hes been raping the series since it started.
What's the future of XenoVerse now that Daima has completely retconned it and Heroes?
>>722504738I didn't mean to suggest I was looking for one, if I watch everything prior and want more then I'll check it out and make up my own mind about it.
>>722504842Good, we need more people like you
>>722504658for the Buu saga watch Z instead of Kai since that Kai version sucks.skip the first two arcs of Super and watch the movie versions instead. I'd recommend watching Super because I have hope 2026 is the year the Super anime/movies return alongside the manga. and that's when the best arcs are going to come out including the new manga arcs that are going to be peak according to my expectations.
>>722504378SOVL than shitper anime
gt transformations were really cool and so were the vilians
>>722504785Bojack and his crews
>>722504403>Toriyama wasn't a coomer
Id give anything for the return of serialized Dragon Ball
>>722504967>>722504369>>722504801All over for DB.https://nichegamer.com/dragon-ball-and-more-pulled-from-shelves-amid-texas-censorship-bill/
>>722505113Yeah shame we haven't had a canon manga since Z.
>>722505104>one of usWhy do we hate him again
>>722504302because pedoccolo mind warped him.
>>722505178>americaDon't care, they aren't human and should all die.
>>722504683>>722504610I still pair launch and him
>>722502854>we finally get a db game with good looking models>it's some boring turn based garbageWhy can't we have nice things?
>hating on Dragon Ball Daimabut why tho
>>722505008I don't think anybody will disagree. all their ideas were cool including the laid back cool headed space adventure. It's just that the execution wasn't up to par. I would love GT movies that re-adapt the arcs. or even a GT remake. Who doesn't want to see the Baby arc taken to it's highest potential. But instead of having Goku look at earth where he grew up and then transform into an ape or super saiyan 4. we should have Vageta do that for better drama. better in the sense he changed his perspective on earth and better in the sense that his people whom he knew and was one of destroyed Baby's tuffle race.
>>722503330>Puff puff God tier waifu 18>Get rekt>Manage to grab a tit even in painBased old perv'
>>722504801Toriyama wanted to end DB after Cell and never touch it again, if you're looking at the rapist of DB's corpse look no further than Toei and the people that keep watching and buying SHITper merch.
>>722505263itâs equally worse like Grand Taco
>>722505216american website
>>722505104this is not coomer art. nobody gets hard watching this. it's not ecchi it's not hentai. it's a gag.
>>722505329Buu is better than Cell.
>>722494527Words cannot describe how much I hate the damage super and daima have done to the franchise. That being said we'll still get Zdock in future games since japan loves him.
>>722505329Toriyama also said he enjoyed making the Buu saga, so clearly he was a lying fag.
>>722505348meh. Super is still the worst "continuation" by a long shot but I understand I'm in the minority as I like only really Super Broly/Daima/Super Heroes out of any of the arcs in DBS.
>>722505181Here your go.https://mangadex.org/title/b75a0d42-ce8c-461e-8e00-3a4863511ec3/dragon-ball-afterhttps://mangadex.org/title/3608a582-7ce8-4354-83a2-b7f8c1d7a51e
>>722505428the moro arc is widely liked too but it hasnât been animated yet
Only the first two arcs of Super are even close to as bad as people say, and I find it fascinating that a saga as harmless as Daima is always catching stray shots and being lumped in with it
>>722505178When will you retarded thirdies realize America is not one state? It's not like your shithole countries, Texas is a single state. Please stick to either Spanish or Tagalog image boards.
>>722505263It's just more of the same shit we got in super, rehashes and powerlevel wankery out the ass.
>>722505389If I was Toriyama-san, Iâd wouldâve hire doujinshi artists over AI
Genuinely asking but what type of asshole do you have to be to hate DB manga. I can understand disliking DB funny romp adventure (and I enjoyed it but it won't please THOSE people) but Z era of DB was pretty solid. Lots of twists and turns due to character acting stupid sure but it's not like they were OOC at all either. Great action, fun and memorable cast, and jesus there's been a shit ton of discussion on how god like Toriyama creates his panels. It's insanely clean and there's so many iconic panels. How do you fucking hate this shit man I don't get it.
>>722505547Ironic since america is a foruth world country.
daipa
>>722505547>retarded thirdies>projecting Post your retarded tacos hand
>>722505543>cell above frieza and namek arc>DOGly that high>GT above anything from db and ZPlease tell me this is bait.
>>722504302Why didn't Goku ever wish his brother back to life and rehabilitate him like with Bejita
ok but this moment is kino, i can understand why xenoverse 2 perferred this more.
>>722505608>he doesn't realize that first world is defined as allying with the UNITED STATES OF AMERICAHere, in a way you'll understand: HUE HUE HUE
>>722498440Toriyama decided the Saiyans were just "wholesome chunguses" who Frieza somehow made evil for some reason.
>>722505614God I hate the nu-toriyama designs so much, the games and spin offs did it so much better.
>>722505735Why didn't he wish his granpa back to life?
I must've read the manga in the fucking 3 digits but I have not watched GT, Super, Daima in its entirety. I've watched the movies but I'm pretty mixed on all of them.I think I've legit got the Family Kamehameha scene memorized lmao.
>>722505735because gokek is a shit protagonist, bejita is more liked btw
>>722505607Most people haven't read the manga. Most people don't even know the real dragon ball due to funimation changing a shitload of the dialogue.
>>722505113>Super continues>first 12 episodes arc is Broly arc>animation is worse than the theatrical film>3 episodes filler arc>next 25 episodes are Moro arc>instantly becomes the peak of ALL of Super past and present>3 episodes filler arc>next 25 episodes is Garnolah arc>an ok fun arc that leads to a lot of future speculation about the oracle fish prophecy and black Frieza>3 episodes filler arc>next 12 episodes is Super Hero arc>instead of concluding this run of Super with an action arc we conclude it with a light hearted slice of life / comedy action arcThis run of Super will only have 4 arcs and might not manage to scrap 100 episodes like the previous run which had 5 arcs to adapt. I remember that Fuji TV refused to let Dragon Ball back on it's channel unless it's for 2 years. and a 2 years run time would mean the anime has to be 100+ episodes long. Daima was almost a web anime due to it's length. Maybe Super wont return unless it returns with a 5th arc that will help it get past 100 episodes. aka help it stay on air for more than 2 years.
>>722505260And it's also multiplayer only.
>>722505903The manga is literally fanspiction.
>>722504302NuGoku would. He'd go "Space? Woah! I bet there are tons of strong guys up there! See ya later, Gohan!"
>>722505903It's a shame because the pacing issues in the anime is completely gone which a lot of people moan about. The story always stays snappy and there's never a dull moment at all. I can understand having gripes over the other shounen jump stuff but hating on DB just seems insane to me. That's like someone who's just being a contrarian for the sake of it. That shit's like hating Police Story 1 & 2.
>>722502934>rape by pipe bar
>>722505838His granpa is shacking up with a goddess in the afterlife.
Tbf I just like there's an interesting dynamic with Goku and Frieza now. Goku lets Frieza do whatever the fuck he wants just as long as Frieza doesn't do anything to earth or gets in his way. But I do wonder how far it holds. Like if Frieza takes over new namek or whatever the planet of the aliens he learned IT from, would Goku port over there and be like NO STOP FRIEZA. >>722505838Read the manga again, grandpa gohan doesn't really care on coming back to life and says so. there's a lot of hot women in the otherworld anyways :3
>>722496707Arguments about canon never mattered. You're arguing about which fictional stories are more or less fictional when they're all equally fictional. They could announce that Evolution is canon and what the fuck you gonna do? Nothing but bitch.
>>722506159Continuity matters in fiction if you're not brown.
>>722505113No, give it a fucking rest already. Toriyama is dead and even when he was alive clearly did not enjoy working on DB anymore since shueisha/toei basically forced him to at gunpoint until his death last year. Nothing from super or daima felt like it had any passion behind it and felt like fan service galore. I'm glad there's legal issues arising and keep toei and shueisha at bay for now from further sullying the series.
>>722505263Daima was wasted potential. Demons for the longest time were a mysterious race with many interesting abilities, even as late as Super where it's revealed Angels can't revive people killed by Demons. Videogames also used the Demon Realm as a crutch, introducing multiple antagonists as Demons like Mira and Demigra.So here comes Daima with the "canon" Demon Realm, and it's just a very uninteresting place. The demons were no different from aliens we've seen before, Namek is rehashed again, there's no stakes for nearly the whole show. The villains were paranoid retards and kickstart the plot for no reason. Gomah's final form is Jiren and not something that could have been memorable. Daima's "new" forms are SS4 Goku and SS3 Vegeta, GT invented the former and games were already doing the latter.All around Daima was a waste of time.
>>722496707No, it never has. Anyone who talks or cares about Dragon Ball canon is a fucking retard.The closest thing you have to a âDragon Ball canonâ is this:>Dr. Slump (Manga)>Dragon Ball (Manga)>Neko Majin Series (Manga)>The Galactic Patrol Trilogy (Manga)Which is a linear storyline written primarily by Toriyama Akira that concludes with the prequel work Jaco and Dragon Ball Minus. Going beyond this is a recipe for creating a contradictory âcanonâ that shows how little any of this matters.If you accept the Burdock and Trunks TV specials, you have to accept the DBZ TV anime with its filler- as those are works that exist as part of that, referencing and being referenced by other episodes (while also contradicting the manga).If you accept Dragon Ball GT, you have to accept the DBZ movies. To accept the DBZ movies, you need to accept Xenoverse by extension, which then requires accepting Heroes, DBO, DBS, and Daima.Dragon Ball Super, GT, Daima, and Neko Majin all occupy the same spot in the timeline essentially, you have to work around that.Dragon Ball canon is a meme. Itâs like worrying about Digimon canon or Metal Gear canon. Toriyama just did whatever he wanted to do at a given time.
>>722494527Well it does look better than the old one.
>>722494685Dragon Ball's canon stopped mattering once they semi-canonized Broly (I mean even before they fully canonized him in Super).
Z and GT are canon, it's that simple. Anything else is fan fic tier trash.
>>722506192Only if you're terminally autistic.
>>722498440>I don't get itOr course you don't get it, you're retarded.You don't understand that putting a character in doesn't mean that the character's story was the same.
I just like old Bardock because he's a no frills fight man. NuBardock as a family man neuters him quite a bit. It's no longer a solo assault against Frieza either and I have no idea why they changed that too. It messes up with canon because Frieza specifically notes Bardock but Super Bardock doesn't even have him face Frieza.
>>722506209>panjobberI donât think you have leg to stand on
>>722506235This is accurate. Daima has its moments but for the most part it's very polished filler. There are some very good episodes at the beginning and a few good moments after that, but it didn't warrant 20 episodes. I enjoyed it, which is more than I can say for a lot of DB material, but it's idea-starved. I like Daima's design for SS4 more than GT's, but I hate SS4 so that's not saying much.
>>722506154I like that Frieza mentioned "the game" in the manga. it's like he changed his mentality now. He trained for 10 years for the first time in his life. He understood the mentality that made his enemies so formidable. and now he has that "game" mentality as well. I think Frieza's end goal will be to overthrow the gods or to reign supreme.
>>722504841You can't really retcon a story who's main gimmick is time travel in a setting with multiverse travel.
>>722504378why is superman in the water
>>722506395>no frills fight manDid you even watch the OVA?
>>722506590They managed to anyway. The Demon Realm is represented completely differently. It's like trying to fit the Z movies into Z- completely unfunctional
>>722506550>the gameFUCK
>>722506395Everything in super is just so sanitized in comparison to Z it's disgusting.
THE TIMELINE>Dragon Ball Minus>Jaco The Galactic Patrolman>Dr. Slump>Dragon Ball>The Brief Return of Dr. Slump>Dragon Ball Daima>Neko Majin>Dragon Ball Online>everything not listed occurs in other timelines and should be watched now>Dragon Ball Xenoverse
>>722494527Why is this shitty?Why is the old one better?Please explain in a way that isn't just nostalgia.
After the Granolah adaptation will finally be Evil Eye Black Frieza vs SSGSS4xUI Goku
>>722506964How about you suck my cock gayboy
>>722506590>You can't really retcon a story who's main gimmick is time travel in a setting with multiverse travel.Yeah you can and Super already did it by saying there's only about 5 alternate timelines and 12 universes. We already know that in, I think, two timelines Goku died permanently from the virus, one Trunks died and cell went back to the present and then you have the main timeline and a timeline where Trunks never went back because Cell killed him, presumably Cell won in that timeline since Trunks dying in front of Vegeta was the reason he attacked Cell and Gohan won.
>>722501812I don't think he was doing poorly mentally, I think he was just done with Dragon Ball while everyone else wasn't.He had his ideation of its ending and saw it out, then was called to do more. Then called again. And again. It has to darken a man's perceptions of his own creation when it's not really under his control anymore.>>722502279>Normalfaggot capeshitter opinionHere's my (you), there's the door.
>>722506935Daima isn't compatible with Online and XenoVerse
>>722507086Theyâre never adapting Moro and Granolah retard
>>722494527Who the fuck is Bardock? That's just Goku with an armor on. How the fuck is this a different character?
>>722506964Well, Bardock now is smarter than the old one who got repeatedly punked by a fishman, dodoria and then Frieza and instead of changing the future with his future vision powers or even saving himself he chose to just let the future happen as is.
>>722507110Seems like you're too busy sucking Bardock's.
wait why the fuck are new people defending nubardock?
>>722507159By the very nature of time travel, that means we could be seeing these Gods and Demons and their worlds at any point in the far far off future or very distant past.Ergo, what Daima says doesnât actually matter.
>>722502279K,b,c.
>>722506964It's just really sanitized. Bardock doesn't have a special journey anymore and is just the typical grunt down to his uniform. Maybe you prefer it, Toriyama seemed to, but it's undeniably lamer than OG Bardock.
>KEKdockhttps://youtu.be/yDoaFQKzkTw?si=3I-XJQ2gXMOcgQWJ
>>722506935Everything happened in the same timeline. Super, GT, Daima, Evolution, everything. How does that work? Fuck you, go outside.
>>722505543manga/canon anime arcs ordered:>Fortuneteller Baba arc>Peaceful World arc>Red Ribbon Army arc>Demon King Piccolo arc>Hunt for the Dragon Balls arc>21st Tenkaichi Budokai arc>22nd Tenkaichi Budokai arc>23rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc>Saiyan arc>Buu arc>Frieza arc>Cell arcthe best arc is a tie between Frieza and Androids/Cell. there are no bad arcs here really.bad arcs: 0/12good arcs: 12/12filler arcs:bad arcs:>Garlic Jrgood arcs:>Other World Tournament arc>Wedding Dress arcbest arc is wedding dress but other world is a close second. wedding dress wins since it's the perfect length and doesn't overstay it's welcome. Garlic Jr. stuff is the worst except the Krillin gf stuff which were good.GTbad arcs:>Hunt for the Dark Star Dragon Balls>Super 17good arcs:>Shadow Dragons arc>Baby arcbad arcs: 2/4good arcs: 2/4Baby is the best arc. the worst arc is the Drak Star Dragon Balls even though the idea of looking for the Dragon Balls across the universe is cool. It just wasn't taken to it's highest potential so it is the worst arc.Super (manga, anime, movies) arcs ordered from worst to best (2013 - today):bad arcs:>Resurrection of F arc>Universe 6 tournament arcgood arcs:>Granolah arc>Super Hero arc>Broly arc>Battle of Gods arc>Tournament of Power arc>Zamasu arc>Moro arcbad arcs: 2/9good arcs: 7/9>final scoreMoro was the best arc. Resurrection F arc wouldn't have been the worst and would have been good if it was tweaked more. The Zamasu arc could've been a gem and could've been the best in all of Super if it was taken to it's highest potential and involved fights that flow better and are a story in their own rights. where the fight itself is drama just like in the original manga. alas that's not the case.Daima>Daima arcthe only time Dragon Ball felt like a JRPG. it was fun
I wonder how DB Online and Xenoverse would be if the guy who inserted the timey limey bullshit stuff just didn't.
>>722504801Somehow, everyone who wasn't Toriyama is even worse at writing Dragon Ball. Toriyama would never write something as shit as GT.
>>722507225>>722507225>>722507225>>722507225answer my question you bunch of faggots!
>>722507292I've been a dragonball fan for 30 years but I always thought his old armor was too 80s coded so I don't mind the redesign. Apparently that's sacrilegious to Bardockfags.
>>722505435Pan chan!
>>722505614SSJ3 hair is supposedly to be more golden rather than platinum blond.
>>722507427>How the fuck does that workHeroes and Xenoverse explain it. Everything happened, just in different universes/dimensions (which are not different time ring timelines or different main universes).
>Dragonball canonically has multiple timelines>People wonder "how can X be canon if it was retconned?"The solution is right there. Just tell us which continuity is the main one or take the best parts from Daima, Super anime and Super manga and post a timeline.
>>722502290Bulma is a whore herself.
>>722505806No he didn't. Toriyama was insistent that the Saiyans were evil. That's why Vegeta has no desire to revive his race. He knows he'd have to tard wrangle them forever or they'd go back to conquering others. His "Saiyan Pride" is more about his personal pride than his race. Even in the Broly movie, we see the Saiyans acting evil. Paragus steals a ship to fly Broly off of Planet Vegeta before Frieza shows up, and after he gets the pilot to land on an empty planet, he shoots the guy just so they don't have to share food. He also regularly abuses and beats Broly. Broly, Gine, and Goku are the only out-and-out good Saiyans. Bardock and Vegeta, despite being "good guys" still committed genocide and conquered planets. They turned their lives around later in life due to Goku's influence on them, but they themselves are not good people inherently.
>muh canon Who cares? Canon in this franchise is as much senseless bullshit as Zelda's. Don't forget that Toriyama was literally making up the manga as he wrote it, so continuity most likely never was a priority for him (and anybody else) in the first place.
>>722501569Goku would beat Superman in a fight
>>722506964It makes the story even dumber. Bardock no longer has psychic visions of Frieza destroying the planet, he's now just apparently the single saiyan smart enough to realize there's something fishy about their murderous tyrant recalling them all to their one planet that he could easily instantly destroy, despite themselves being an entire race of planet destroying treacherous space pirates.
>>722506964the drama in the 90s special was better. Bardock saw the future, what he and his race did to others, was going to happen to them. He tried to change the future and recruit his people but nobody would listen. So he marches on as a lone soldier to change his fate and the fate of his race. a soldier against an army. a soldier against a tyrant. Bardock was evil but we were rooting for him since he was fighting a greater evil. Bardock faces Frieza and attacks him with everything he's got. He fails. and is now dying. But right before he dies. He sees his son facing off against Frieza. He doesn't know whether or not his son will win but he still smiles before he dies. That was drama. It was just that good and that much fun.one of the worst things Super did to Bardock was making Goku know about him and making Bardock send messages to Goku. and the worst offender of them all. Bardock making a wish via the Dragon Balls. wishing for his sons "to prosper". Not to mention Bardock isn't and will never be Goku's family. Grandpa Gohan is his family.Z Bardock >>>>> Super Bardock
>>722507689Nope. It's all one timeline. Every Dragon Ball work in every medium is all the same timeline. Now you don't need to argue about canon anymore, because everything is canon, and therefore the debate is over forever and you can go find something better to do with your life.
>>722507943>Bardock making a wish via the Dragon Balls. wishing for his sons "to prosper".I don't remember that in Zero.
>>722507996Fuck I mean minus.
>>722507689>which are not different time ring timelines or different main universesMeaning they aren't canon.
>>722507978Why do you write like a massive faggot
>>722507996>>722508042Because it wasn't in Minus, it was part of the Granolah arc and I don't think we ever see it being made.
>>722507978You're being as reductive as a normalfag on facebook.
>>722508056No, it really just means theyâre different dimensions rather than branching timelines, which is what the time rings represent.No branch led to GT happening, itâs just a different dimension entirely.
>>722507852Outside of Daima the series continuity has been pretty on point. As much as people want to cry shit like>MUH POTARA!that doesn't change anything and only gave an explanation to something that went unexplained before.
>>722508145>it was part of the Granolah arc and I don't think we ever see it being made.Ah its been a while since I read that.
>>722508234Made for BFC
>>722508114Why do you act like one?
>>722507836>Paragus steals a ship to fly Broly off of Planet Vegeta before Frieza shows up, and after he gets the pilot to land on an empty planet, he shoots the guy just so they don't have to share food. He also regularly abuses and beats Broly.I don't know why you feel the need to undercut your own post with a bunch of lies. He stole the ship to go save Broly who'd been blasted off to a horrible death world full of monsters to be killed, he could have murdered the weakling guy when he stole the ship but instead was happy to let him take the thing back once he and his son had been dropped off somewhere less shitty and only killed him after it was clear they were stranded and they only had a few survival rations. And obviously he couldn't abuse Broly even if he wanted to, Broly could turn him in to a smear on the wall with a glance and probably can't even feel his punches, he only put a shock collar on him to bring him back to his senses when he's consumed by his latent murderous range and unstoppable power. He would have murdered that guy in a bar fight for being rude and probably anyone else who got in his way if he hadn't been stopped.
>>722508201>No, it really just means theyâre different dimensions rather than branching timelinesWhich would make them non canon, yes. That's not how dimensions work in dragonball after all.You have timelines represented by the time rings.The 12 universesAnd dimensions are like pocket areas like the room of space and time, not alternate continutities.
>>722505543I'm never watching Super (except the Doctor Slump episode) GT or Daima. I watched some movies as a kid and they were fine but I'm not watching them again. Toei = cancer.
>>722508269Shit-smeared lizard cloaca is not appealing to non-mentally ill mammals, furfaggot.
>>722508324Dimensions are never properly defined in Dragon Ball actually, and the room is not a pocket, itâs an endless expanse that is now accessible from multiple points in U7.
>>7225057351. Time limit on reviving someone.2. He had more important people to revive first.3. Piccolo died as soon as Goku came back so the Earth Dragon Balls were inert.4. Raditz got banished to hell for trying to fight King Yemma. Yemma even tells Goku about it.
Everything after Z end was a waste of time. The biggest problem with Super is that there is no direction, no plan, no end goal, just things and arcs happening without any lesson to learn. There is no theme, just "go beat the new strong guy". Old DB can get a pass on that, the series is ancient and started most of the cliches, and even then there was some meat to the story (like Goku passing the torch to the next generation). The only interesting thing about Super was Goku implied being a menace that would bring a disaster to the universe, and Frieza plotting something against the gods, and that shit wasn't even real, just something the anime wanted to do, but the plot got straightened up before anything happened. That story needs some planned end goal and arcs building up to that, not the "and then next strong guy appears, get beaten, and then next..." structure.
>>722506395kai is canon to super, z already has a conclusion (EoZ)
>>722508378>itâs a MistareFusion fagLeave.
>>722504403Toriyama was a horndog you secondary faggot, he admits to it in one of its author notes in the manga, in its own words>My son found out some of the early artwork i did before marrying and it made me uncomfortable how much of a horndog i was, im not ashamed by the art itself but by my nature, luckily i have managed to calm down those feelings ever since i got married.I might be missremembering most of it but that was practically what he said.
>>722508459>Time limitThis is English language head canon that was thoroughly put to bed by Fukkatsu no F. The real answer is that Goku doesnât give a shit about Raditz. Itâs like asking him to think about Colonel Silver.
>>722505263Lack of consistency (Goku and Vegeta at the end of the show being pressed by some grunts with laser guns when they have access to SSJ3), poor pacing, not enough episodes to tell the story it wanted to tell, bringing back SSJ4, etc.Why the fuck was Piccolo in the show when he never fights? He just stands in the back with his arms crossed while Goku and Vegeta fight everyone and everything. Same for Supreme Kai, though he at least is there to expand the lore of the Kaioshin.
>>722508619All questions can be answered with a single world;DAIPA
>>722505919Moro Arc isn't peak anything. It's a good arc until Moro gets his 3rd wish and then it shits the bed hard. 9/10 arc turns into a 4/10 arc.
>>722508531I'm not familiar with your extended family anon.
>>722505735Goku doesn't rehabilitate Vegeta, Bulma and Trunks did that. These "why didn't they wish back x" posts always act like Goku is some therapist or something.
>>722494527The previous design with the bandana being stained red with his late comrades'' blood was so cool.
>>722502279Is that a...
>>722494527DBtards deserve everything bad that happens to the IP for being such mindless consumers.
>>722508719Making his big wish "yo just free all the prisoners" was a fucking disaster. Pointless.
>>722494527>>722499868>>722500586>>722501072>>722501331There was no reason to not let sayains keep their tails.
>>722494527there will never be another buff dude anime that is televised in the west ever again, will there?
>King Bejita sitting in front of his computer, browsing the Freezanet>sees some discussion on 4scout about Bardock's latest exploits, with Anons congratulating him on a job well done>King Bejita grows wroth, and dives directly into his Bardock folder>chooses the image that looks the most unflattering and superimposes the text "You simply MUST kiss my wife, King Bejita!" onto it
>>722508613Shenron got upgraded by then. Frieza was strong enough to resist his soul being purged and entering the cycle of reincarnation (see: Vegeta in the Buu arc). Raditz wasn't.
>>722508885donât trunks and gohan hide their tails?
>>722508789Vegeta started to mellow out in his dying breaths when he handed the saiyan legacy over to Goku.That was before he put his sausage into Bulma, I think before he bothered to remember her name even.
>>722508313>He stole the ship to go save BrolyHe went for the sake of revenge by the way. >>722508453>Dimensions are never properly defined in Dragon Ball actuallyThey are, I just gave you an example in the room of space and time.>that is now accessible from multiple points in U7Which is also false we've had multiple rooms but they aren't all the sameEarth's does one year in a dayMerus' is 3 days in oneThe one Frieza mentions seemingly had the largest amount of time since he used it for 10 years inside the chamber, granted we don't know if it's 10 years in day or not.
>>722508880It's especially dumb since Moro could've just flown there and busted them out in a matter of seconds, but he wastes a wish on it. Utter drivel.
>>722508719Moro is like everything wrong with the Super manga in microcosm. You can feel Toyotaro wanting to redress perceived flaws in the original manga, but then it plummets into something far worse than the original manga because Toyotaro is as creative as the average Japanese office assistant.
>>722508459>Time limit on reviving someone.There's no time limit on reviving someone, that's just for large groups like an entire planet.
>>722508885The literally look at the moon and chimp out.
>>722507943Z Bardock is better than Super Bardock, but Super Gine is a worthwhile trade
>>722509163>Z Bardock is better than Super BardockDebatable, a smart bardock is infinitely superior to the stupid one who had future vision but never learned how to use it and didn't listen to it.
Daima hate is just due to spice being mad it's not DBZ 2.
>>722508949Raditz is laying pipe in the Snake Princess.
Bardock's.Armor.IS GREEN
>>722508870Dragon Ball Super is a brain rotting, atavistism-inducing virus and the modern DB fanbase is the gruesome testament of its ghastly repercussions.
>>722509264The fuck did I do?
>>722509460Hehe.
>>722506293Dragon Ball's canon stopped mattering as soon as the manga ended, only retards try to argue that any of the extra material that came after that matters for the canon, the original anime included
>>722498440I took everything that made Bardock likeable an turned him into an expy of western superhero franchises especially with Super Saiyan being the mitochondria of the cells transformations.Also Goku was retarded all along and he forgot everything he learned as a child in Dragonballyou rike? (raughs)
>>722509532You don't get to decide what's canon and what isn't that's on the author who did indeed write more material after the fact.Eat shit, spic.
>>722494527It's so lame.
>>722509597On what planet was Bardock likable?
>>722509449>atavistismWhat do birds have to do with anything?
>>722509532Yeah, this. It's like giving a shit about whatever the fuck Terminator did after the second movie and everyone with half a brain should understand.
>>722509264Daima hate is due to it sucking. I watched the first 4 episodes and it was embarrassingly bad and absolutely nothing happened. It had the whole modern isekai thing going on where they laboriously explain the stupid contrived setting of the demon world and they had literal random battles with nobody mooks, and set up the big minibosses for Goku to fight on his video game quest which were some robot guardians with no personality or motive. I couldn't go on, it was just terrible.
>>722502854That is the nicest Super Saiyan 3 Goku has ever looked
>>722508949Nobody in the history of the series mentioned a time limit on individual revivals. The issue was mass revivals of large groups of people.The reason Vegeta thinks about how he might die and not come back is because he isnât sure he will be brought back at all since he was already brought back once before.
>>722494527Saitama kills Goku with one punch.
>>722494527Sorry /dbs/ bros, i just came from a one week ban, i will not post the pastas today
>>722509338Raditz jobbed to those hardgay onis and got buck broken before having soul thrown in the washing machine and reborn as something pathetic.
>>722509681*atavism-inducingwrote "atavistic virus" but that didn't make sense and I fucked it up when I erased it, shit
>>722504403Toriyama wasn't a horndog.Fucking tourists ashamed of the media they consume.The type of faggots that download the most horrible hentai online but then report the content so no one else but them can have it after post nut clarity.Kill yourself
Dog I can't stand these low ranksWhy the fuck did Goku come with us and leave Buu to toplane alone
>>722509460Okay, that gave me a good kek.>>722509749Sounds like a (You) problem, wetback.
>>722509645Holy shit, Sparking Zero looks like shit in comparison, and this is q fucking ps2 game!
>>722505263Absolute waste of fucking potentialI came in expecting some Dragon Quest but Dragon Ball Z and got nothing but bullshit that didn't matter in the end, all reduced to a gag where the deus ex machina was a literal store itemHow many times ship problems was a plot device?
>>722510391I like Budokai 3, but (You).
>>722508543>>722510078what I'm trying to say is that when Toriyamma drew sexual content it wasn't like the ones we see in ecchi and harem manga/anime. The sexual content Toriyama drew across all his mangas were gags. And not shitty gags like "oops I fell on your giant titties by mistake I didn't mean to do that!". They were actual gags like Goku checking people's privates to confirm their gender.In Dragon Ball and Toriyama's mangas the gags are there to be gags.In ecchi and harem mangas the gags are there to add more erotic content and fan service for the reader/viewer.That's what I'm trying to say. That's why I said and brought up the following facts:>most of those Roshi scenes and horny scenes are filler. there are a lot of sexual gags in early Dragon Ball but non of them are erotic. The ones that are drawn to be erotic are typically anime filler. Toriyama wasn't a coomer. He was in it for the gags not the horny/erotica stuff.now I hope what I was trying to say is clear
>>722510217Spics and brown jungle asians are the only ones so fucking desperate for dragon slop that they'd watch Daima thoughbeit
>>722510020>>722509338Here their daughters.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajgL2RClxyI
>>722510679And you're one of them. You just wanna be a contrarian because you think it makes you look cool.
>>722510679>brown jungle asiansIsnât that Louisiana and Philippine?
>>722510763>You just wanna be a contrarian because you think it makes you look cool.Fuck you, no I don't!
>>722505543>EoZ not in Z or AYou don't love your Z-Family.
>>722505836this reminds me, i need to get the platinum for db raging blast 1 and 2
>>722509645
>>722502279JirenDAMN!!!!
>>722508960*Goten and yes
>>722509739The problem is we're talking about an incredibly easy to follow series with consistent continuity and the only issues that ever arise come from people who didn't read it properly.
>>722510927>They had to censor this because it was too brutal.BT3 flowed better but reason for doing so was faggotry.Burst Rush was also better in BT2Man, they fucking dropped the ball on the rushes in Sparking Zero. Didn't most of BT2/3 rushes come from references in the anime and manga?
>>722508949>>722508613Kinda him back as a woman.
>>722511392>because it was too brutal.They censored it because it looked like he was trying to butt fuck them.
This thread made me realize Dragon Ball fans are just whiny faggots who are never happy.
>>722511321No, the problem is that Dragon Ball was only truly exceptional during its original tenure and everything after (and during, even) has been people trying to lazily cash in on it with lukewarm, pandery garbage. Let it fucking go.
This thread made me realize Dragon Ball fans are just chads who understand.
>>722511392What they did to Burst Rush in Sparking was criminal. But really a lot of moves have almost no impact now.
>>722511772>hurr I'm gonna copy his post and change his words to shitpostDeath to spics and white boys
>>722509936https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idHRDLhj91Y
>>722506239Holy cope>If you accept the Burdock and Trunks TV specials, you have to accept the DBZ TV anime with its fillerNo you don't. The filler does reference the specials, but the specials don't reference the filler.>To accept the DBZ movies, you need to accept XenoverseWhat type of gay revisionism is this? Of course you don't. To accept Xenoverse you gotta accept the movies but there is 0 reason why the movies require you to accept Xenoverse.>Dragon Ball canon is a meme. Itâs like worrying about Digimon canon or Metal Gear canon. Toriyama just did whatever he wanted to do at a given time.I'll give you that. And also the fact that ToyoTARDO said picrel
>>722502934>Traded like a pack of cigarettes Superman's prostate has tanked more hits than Bejita
>>722511392>Didn't most of BT2/3 rushes come from references in the anime and manga?Fucking no. Most rushes were just generic ones, the amount of characters that had shit like delta combination or something was absurd.
>>722511620They could have just gave the knee motion a sharper angle.
>>722494527this one looks better tho
>>722511637Doesn't that describe this entire website?
>>722511990Vegeta still a kings unlike that super cucks
>>722510661that style of sex comedy didn't really exist back when he was first starting out. He grew up in the era of all porn in Japan being imported from the US so his conception of sexual content is stuff like Playboy and Juggs. And it reflects in how he satirised sexuality in his works. What you described didn't really come around until Tenchi Muyo, which was well after Toriyama's time (and he has admitted to never really liking anime or manga anyway).
>>722511720What are you even talking about right now?That has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about right now.
>>722506239Bardock from the TV special is on the original manga tho
>>722512172Problem is that Tori did that because he liked the design, not because he wanted the story to be canon.
>>722507836Such a gay nigger argument. The Broly movie was the definitive turning point that made saiyans into sissies.Remember the badass WARRIOR race that ravaged planets?>Well uhhh they were actually just scientists and 90% were weak so it doesn't matter :)So ASS.
>>722511937Good morning, ranjeets
>>722512327>>Well uhhh they were actually just scientists and 90% were weak so it doesn't matter :)So you hate FoG where they were an advanced civilization rather than a group of warriors who didn't give a shit until Frieza showed up.
>>722494527Games use both Videl costumes and Brolys so why wouldn't they use both Bardocks
>>722507918>It makes the story even dumber. Bardock no longer has psychic visions of Frieza destroying the planet, he's now just apparently the single saiyan smart enough to realize there's something fishy about their murderous tyrant recalling them all to their one planet that he could easily instantly destroy, despite themselves being an entire race of planet destroying treacherous space pirates.The Heeters gave him a heads up and he became suspicious of Freiza afterwards. Read the manga. The storyline I'm talking about is 4 years old at this point.
>>722509669Our planet earth, faggot. He was a murderer/normal saiyan but his character was defined by the struggles he had with fighting against a future set in stone. He was very likeable
>>722512074I've always said 4chan is full of white boys that never got their asses whooped.
>>722512453They do use both in SZ but you know how people are.
>>722509163Fasha > Gine >>> useless Videl / Chi-whores
>>722512375Ah go shoot up a school.
>>722512108It has everything to do with it because what you're talking about right now isn't worth talking about. None of Toei's products are. Because they are shit.
>>722512537Launch clears all
>>722512439>FoGHuh?
>>722512497In other words he was never likable because he repeatedly had his ass kicked, never learned or tried to survive the future he saw
>>722512504I have a friend who literally complains about everything Dragonball related despite consooming everything Dragonball related. He's the type of faggot who unironically refuses to rewatch original DB because it doesn't have cool Broly screaming and shooting energy blasts.
>>722512617Trvke(Zangya is cute tho)
The Tree of Might was a cool movie.
>>722512736Come on anon, you can't be this stupid. One of the words is Goku.
>>722512770So basically like everybody in this thread.
>>722512484>read the dragon ball super manga
>>722501569Daily reminder: If Toriyama introduced Goku mothers early on.https://files.catbox.moe/g2c8t0.jpeghttps://files.catbox.moe/dteux0.jpeg
>>722512748Holy shit anon, you can't be this retarded. Can someone only be likable if they are the good guys and win? Are you a Marvel nigger by any chance?Bardock is likable BECAUSE he struggled and BECAUSE he did what he could to save his people, even if the imminent doom was apparent.>never learned or tried to survive the future he sawHe tried getting help from his fellow saiyans, all of whom ignored him, and due to this he had to go and try to save his planet by himself.
>>722512838>not the Tree of SauceI got the sauce, ayy, ooh, damn.
>>722509532Dragon Ball's canon stopped mattering as soon as a normal ass earth man was able to casually create multiple machines (himself included) that far surpassed the power of the universe's most notorious tyrant.
>>722508960The old games (BT3) mentioned that for some reason, Trunks, Goten and Pan never grew tails. It could make sense with Pan because she is only 1/4 Saiyan or something, but it was always really odd that Goten and Trunks didn't. My headcannon was that they just got their tails chopped off whenever they grew up until they stopped growing.
>>722512838Turles can fit in canon. Working for Towa during Buu saga.
Not gonna lie, the Cell thread from yesterday was comfy. This is just the typical "Dragon Ball fans hate Dragon Ball" thread.
>>722512841>GokuWho?
>>722508885My biology headcanon that female Saiyans have pseudo-penis.
>>722513474The only pre-Battle of Gods movie that could fit is Bojack Unbound because I could see Trunks sticking around for a bit after they beat Cell.
>>722512590>imagine not just being an indian man and woman but also being obese and so ugly people compare you to a joke character depicted as disgusting, annoying and ugly. And also made to job>then you are so fucking miserable in life, with a really low self steem that you embrace it because you are desperate for a crumb of validation since there are no animals for you to abuse and no people desiring to rape you anymore.Kek. How what a fucking terrible life. Worse than going to hfil.
>>722513696Plus continuity case like Garlic junior and arguably Metal Cooler.
Nu-Bardock also died rebelling against Frieza and his forces the exact same way. His squad canonically exist as they were shown in the Super Broly movie and they're even shown to have been ambushed the same way by Dodoria in the Super manga volume extras. At this point if you're complaining that Bardock's story was completely changed, you're being intentionally obtuse. It was expanded upon.
>>722513459I don't mind Gero making the androids as much because Earth science was incredible, and the way those capsules Bulma's dad invented were able to bend space was more impressive than whatever Frieza was capable of, which is, blowing up a celestial body (like Roshi did at the beginning) but slower. An humanoid weapon of mass destruction with a very big power number is fucking quaint compared to hoi poi capsules and time machines like Bulma eventually invented. The answer you're looking for is when Piccolo just killed the omnipotent wish granting dragon on a whim, or when the king of hell was revealed to have a power of like seventy, and Goku became stronger than him by training half a year with Kaioh. Dragon Ball's power scale has been fucking whack since it turned into a serious action manga with Piccolo.
>>722513459He was locked in for decades, so much that he wasn't even going for world domination or something like that, he just wanted to kill a man
>>722503454Nigger, you don't need to rape someone to be considered a sexual predator.
>>722502808>and had the time of their lives working for Frieza.That one was never established. They hated getting treated like slaves by him. He did as much as show up unannounced and old king Vegeta Sr. busts into his ship demanding to know what the fuck is going on. Second Vegita hears that Freeza wants to go to Namek, he speeds off and starts rebelling because the balls are his only chance at beating him.
>>722511397>Fanfiction
>>722513467my headcanon is that Bulma had Trunks and Bulla's tails removed because she remembers what happened with Goku. and as for Goten, I headcanon that he actually has a tail but just keeps it hidden.
>>722507125>>722506743You don't seem to understand, Xenoverse is a verse where literally anything can happen. If Towa is from the demon realm, she doesn't have to be from the daima-adjacent one, she could easily be from a "parallel" one like every other thing that's happened. Like two versions of broly, or patroller getting beast for some reason>>722508930It's funny coz Bardock was already stronger than the king, and nobody knew for some reason. His riot javelin FUCKS>>722510217Is Daima the white man's show, now? What kind of astroturf is this?>>722510679Dragon Ball Z is the coolest show in the world >b-but most of its fans are broâthe coolest show in the world.
>>722507086It's incredible how after all these years, we are closer than ever to have DB AF made real.
>>722512748>He's likeable because he lived!retarded, you are the reason that flanderization existsCan't let a character have an definite bookend, nope, just puppet their corpse like a skinwalker
>>722514414>redemption rBetter what if
>>722514752>current inheritor of the manga is a guy who literally got hired because of his DB AF doujinshi which had SSJ5
>>722507086Adaptations never ever, franchise is entering eternal dormancy because the rights will never be sorted out and no piece of the franchise wants to move forward because without Toriyama to decide something is "definitely canon", all that matters is pure fanservice wank from the mobile games.
>>722513459When you think about it, it is no different from real life and the genetic modification that people used on food crops, it makes sense. And many DNA samples of universe's most notorious tyrant was all over Earth plus several warriors that were studied upon so it adds up
>show calls them androids>they are not androids
>>722515101Thank god. The cyborg saga wouldâve been lame.
>>722513179>Can someone only be likable if they are the good guys and win?Are you being retarded on purpose? He doesn't have any kind of likable or endearing trait, it doesn't have anything to do with him winning or being a good guy.I mean, Bardock is comparable to Kamina in the fact that they both died and paved the way for the main character but Kamina was infinitely better because he had a character, he grew and learned how to pilot his mech and became the role model for the main character.Bardock isn't like that, Bardock just tosses himself into situations, doesn't learn, repeatedly fucks up which is a thing that happened prior to the start of the OVA since they made note of him coming back half dead after a lot of missions and instead of trying to save himself after the Saiyans rejected his words to change the future he flies into the upper atmosphere to the edge of space half dead like he could do something against Frieza when he was beaten half to death by fuck Dodoria.He's a fucking moron, by the end of the OVA you want his protag power to run out and for him to die which it does.
>>722514013Can Gero creations match up with Zero or Robocop?
>>722514703>Xenoverse is a verse where literally anything can happen.It's also non-canon.
>>722502116>or VegetaWhy would you go on about original plans on Namek and not include the part where Beijita was supposed to be the BBEG who got hunted down and mercy killed.
>>722515303Explain Vomi in Kakarot games?
>>722512439>So you hate FoG where they were an advanced civilizationAll the saiyans' tech was gibs from Frieza>a group of warriors who didn't give a shit until Frieza showed upyes that's literally what saiyans were up until shitper broly>dragonball "fans">arguing about some shit they never even watchedname a more iconic duo than this
If Dragon Ball was made today they'd have to cancel Roshi or neuter him to the point he wouldn't be the same character anymore.
>>722513459>analyse the universe's most notorious tyrant>surprised that he made something stronger
>>722506637>why is superman in the waterbecause it's his fucking water and you can't have any
>>722515412What's there to explain?
>>722498440incompetence and greed taking over the IP is what happened
>>722497038This, but with Gohan going "SS2" and beating Cell.
>>722515519Towa and her lovers appeared in that games.
>>722501569Superman is gay and boring. Goku is straight and awesome.
>>722499868Monkey tailâŠ
Behold, the best and coolest character in the entire franchise.
>>722515439>All the saiyans' tech was gibs from FriezaIn the main continuity, not FoG.>yes that's literally what saiyans were up until shitper brolyYou mean until Toei changed them to scientists in father of Goku.>name a more iconic duo than thisYou and being one chromosome short.
>>722502279
Honestly let's just pretend that DB ended with Gohan getting beast and becoming the new defender of earth while Goku and vegeta trained with broly. The Manga is the new fanfiction and anything regarding space goat or black frieza is non-cannon
>>722502279Based and schlongpilled
>>722515767And?Are you under the impression that their appearance in games makes that instance canon?
>>722515891>The Manga is the new fanfiction and anything regarding space goat or black friezaYou fucking idiot, that happens before SH.
>>722502279>>722515462Kiss now
>>722515221>KaminaWho?>All that shitAwful take anon
>>722515267Zero? Like, pic related? And in what way? I think the androids are way, way stronger but Zero is fully sentient, an original kind of lifeform and the most sophisticated being of these, and poor Robocop is just too experimental and bogged down by his down to earth universe to stack up to the others. Toriyama's universe has bonkers science and power but it's just because it's a real cartoony universe and its technology amounts to magic, essentially.
>>722515803Pape daddy?
>>722516205>unironically not knowing KaminaI'm not even that guy but this is why we need to kill zoomers like you.
>>722516349>Trannime>Zoomer boogiemanYou ok unc?
>>722516230Android wonât lasts Ultra SSJ grade 3
>>722511637Yeah, they should just consume all the slop thatâs been given to them regardless of the quality.
>>722516434>>TrannimeYou are fucking talking about dragonball.
>>722516548Not that you know about quality.
>>722501978>thus motivating Goku to try and meet his ghost since previously he assumed his dad was just yet another worthless space asshole like his brother.That's all Bardock was until he tried to stop Frieza.
>>722516690Nuh uh. Dragon Ball is an honorary aryan and spic cartoon.
>>722516879Indeed
The heroes timeline is abused by this gameZero representation outside of itself and occasionally Dokkan. I don't know why it would be treated differently than any of the other noncanon content like the movies
>>722511637No, we just aren't afraid to call out total crap and we don't have to worry about onions goblins using downvotes to censor our opinion. We salty cunts loved the DBS Broly movie despite the rather sacrilegious retcons because it was fun and well made.
>>722516879>anime le bad>honorary cartoonThat's like shitting on chocolate and calling Hershey's honorary excrement.
>>722517168By this franchise*
>>722516470I have no idea what you just said and what's it got to do with Zero or Robocop anon but Arale and Obokaman are more advanced than Robocop at the very least too.
>>722515101Only three of them were cyborgs. Plus, Dr. Gero was not a sane man.
>>722516879>Dragon Ball is an honorary aryan and spic cartoon.Honor like that is reserved for only the most GAR anime. Dragonball is not one of them.
>>722509840>Shitama
>>722517171You can get censored on 4chan for wrongthink too, you white faggot. Talking about Naruto on /a/ was a bannable offense at one point.
>>722504363Who says he didn't? The dragon removed all their explosives which would've included any snuke
>>722517294Now question is Robocop handle major metallitron?
>>722509840Isn't Ultra Instinct a hard counter to Saitama?
>>722517629They do it for free
>>722517563Don't bog down GGG by bringing it into the mexican cartel den that is the modern Dragon Ball fandom anon
>>722517171You can get banned if mention Kakarot vs Broly lyrics
>>722509019Paragus was morally gray (not bad, mind you, gray) but the Saiyans were quite whitewashedYou'll only see Bardock beat up some dino guys, not actual peopleYou wont see more genocidal SaiyansIn truth Saiyans weren't a proud people or the vikings people love to lionize. They were a bunch of savages who coasted on birth power and nothing else, no training, no martial arts, nothing. Goku was the exception because he learned
>>722507525>I've been a dragonball fan for 30 years but I always thought his old armor was too 80s coded so I don't mind the redesign. Apparently that's sacrilegious to Bardockfags.All they had to do was drop the legwarmers.
>>722517784With some explosives or a big truck, maybe, he's got guile.>>722517629>Talking about Naruto on /a/ was a bannable offense at one point.Moot was too based for this world
>>722518304Misread Paragus as Saint Pegasus
The Nortubel of tranime
>>722518304Yeah the saiyans were introduced as brutal bloodthirsty slavers that didn't even care about the death of their own people and didn't even want to leave an offspring behind. Frieza was only created as their ringleader to make them look less monstrous in comparison.
>>722507525It's a bunch of interconnected issues. The old design sold his savage/berserk nature much better. Bardock got better as he got his ass beat, the new armor doesn't really convey that sense. But the worse is his backstory/personality rewrite. Bardock was a cunt but likeable in his stand against a higher evil.
>>722518304>not bad, mind you, grayHe stuck a shock collar on broly, raised him like an attack dog and shot his only friend.He had his reasons but he was still a bad guy.
Who wins?
>>722517926These kids need to know the true meaning of Gar
>>722502279Look at that HAMMER!!!
>>722518650He loved his son. He knew his son had a short temper and could go berserk so he took countermeasures. He was harsh and fine with killing or violence if needed but he didn't go out of his way to do evil. He just tried to do the best for him and his son in ways that weren't outright evil, just a bit misguided.It's just baffling that he doesn't get revived.
>>72251868718 clears here easily. Even without her limitless stamina.
>>722518802>He loved his son.Did you watch the same movie the rest of us did? Because he clearly didn't, Broly had some form of affection for Paragus because he was his father but Paragus didn't give one iota of a shit about Broly beyond using him as a tool for his revenge.He very well could have just settled on a better planet once Cheelai and Lemo found him but no, he joined Frieza specifically because he wanted revenge. >It's just baffling that he doesn't get revived.Because he was evil.
>>722518687Zangya defeats ASSJ Trunks, 18 clearly get rekt.
>>722508960>>722513467In an interview Toriyama said that tails were a recessive trait, which is why Goten and Trunks don't have one. All in all, just don't think about it too hard since Toriyama definitely wasn't. He probably just didn't feel like drawing tails anymore and figured Great Ape had no place in the story anymore anyway.
>>722518890>>722518687Zangya shat on post RoSaT Super Saiyans, 18 loses to imperfect Cell.
>>722519097>Paragus didn't give one iota of a shit about Broly beyond using him as a tool for his revengeI'll just point you to the same line you used>Did you watch the same movie the rest of us did? Because Paragus clearly showed he loved his son. He was very involved and concerned with what happened to him.He did want revenge though. That's why he's morally gray. But he cared. If he didn't care he'd just let Broly get cast away and live his life. He cared, so he wants revenge. It's that simple
>>722519147>Zangya shat on post RoSaT Super SaiyansNo the fuck she didn't. The little guy in the Turban who tied them up, yeah. Not Zangya.Hell the only one other than Bojack who transformed was Gokua and Trunks punched a hole through him without even going grade 2.
>>722502279Bulma is so LUCKY.....
>>722519626She was fighting on somewhat even grounds with Gohan, who's way stronger than Vegeta and Trunks. And that's after having her way with Trunks 1 on 1. 18 is like 3 tiers below
>>722519693-on par with female Thor like Nami
>>722519256>Because Paragus clearly showed he loved his son.Where did you see this? Because it never happened in the movie, the closest thing to concern for broly was when he didn't want him to go out of control because he knew how strong he was and that he would go out of control.>That's why he's morally gray.There's nothing morally grey about him he abused a child for his entire life and trained him to carry out his will and when he found out that his target was dead he decided to attack his son, the Vegeta we know.>If he didn't care he'd just let Broly get cast away and live his life.You really didn't watch the movie did you. He was angry not because his son was shot into space but because King Vegeta didn't want anyone being stronger than his son.
>>722518571But Saiyans loose based on Turkic slave soldiers and conqueror
>>722519779>And that's after having her way with Trunks 1 on 1Why even lie about that, it was never a one on one fight. Immediately after she gets that light tap on trunks who was effortlessly holding her off this happens.
>>722520029>Where did you see this?When Vegeta cast him out?>He was angry not because his son was shot into space but because King Vegeta didn't want anyone being stronger than his son.Why would he care about King Vegeta not wanting people to be stronger than Vegeta? Why would he choose to put his life in great danger to chase after his son only because King Vegeta wants his seed to be the strongest? He chased after Broly because he was his son. That's all there is.>There's nothing morally grey about him he abused a child for his entire lifeTough love/parenthood. Doesn't make you outright evil, but misguided.>trained him to carry out his will Understandable revenge
>>722502279>Dorms mom from Futanari no Elf
>>722520206That was one tap but Trunks didn't manage to touch her before that, she did. At the very least she's around his level (probably way higher since she can hang out around Gohan just fine) which puts her 3 tiers above 18. Hell, she deflects Gohan's blasts with ease.
>>722502279I look like this.
test
>>722520364>That was one tap but Trunks didn't manage to touch her before that, she didHe was holding her off with no effort. Again, why lie about this?Hell it took all three of them and a transformed Bojack to take him down.
>>722520574>He was holding her off with no effortHe couldn't touch her, she did. She even has a shit eating grin while he's visibly struggling.
>>722520364fact
>>722520703Why did you post the exact same screenshot showing trunks holding her off without trying?Are you just not paying attention to this conversation?
>>722520904Can't see the shit eating grin on your low quality screenshot. I win, btw.
>>722512498/v/ is mostly brown, THO
>>722520703>trunks was struggling>posts the same screenshot showing he wasn't to say he was
Now this is Zanyga thread.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCJexmwVX2c
>>722521034Yeah I'm pretty sure he's losing actually
>>722520968Oh, your self esteem is so low that you need an e-win, that explains it.
Reminder that Angela and Zanyga have similar appearance. Even possibly Princess Snake related to Bojack race.
>>722521087Maybe you should actually watch the scene instead of posting screenshots. They're love taps at best and he only actually takes damage when Bido strings him up.
>>722521056Based
>>722505735Because Raditz was weak Same reason why Goku never revived any other sayanLike Nappa, King Vegeta or even his family>but muh timeWho cares, By the end of Z the rules didnt even matter anymore
>>7225211901 hit vs 0 hit still shows Zangya is superior or equal to Trunks who's strong enough to oneshot 18 without any trouble
>>722521241This, the literal only reason Goku cared to want Buu to reincarnate is because he wanted to have a damn good fight with him again, except under the pretense of a friendly spar instead of the universe being at stake, because at that point Buu was the most powerful fighter Goku had ever faced.If you're not a strong fighter worth your weight, neither Goku nor Vegeta will care, and everyone else is more than happy to let the dead stay gone unless the plot demands it.
>>722520574>>722520703Why is this even an argument? Whether it was 1v1 or 1v3, the point is she was at least, in some capacity, able to fight post-Cell saga Trunks. This same Trunks would have absolutely destroyed any Cell below Perfect while 17 and 18 were already heavily outclassed by Imperfect Cell. Zangya absolutely shits on Cell saga 18.
>>722521458Goku wouldn't have revived Raditz no matter what probably. Raditz was way stronger than he was when they both died and Goku just wanted him gone. Raditz was scum
>>722521287>1 hit vs 0 hit still showsExcept you can hear that several of Trunks attacks did hit. This is why you watch and listen instead of posting images.
>>722521196
>>722521564>Except you can hear that several of Trunks attacks did hitNo you can't. If you can, prove it. Post the exact moment.
>>722521559>Raditz was scumSo was Frieza. But guess what Goku did, under the notion of "whoa, this guy's a great fighter!", in Super?
>>722521681He used to draw her much better
>>722521812Same way Toriyama-sensei forgot to draw
>>722521730>SuperDiscardedBut even then he revived Freeza for ToP, not for sparing
>>722521559He fear Raditz achieved SSJ3 kek
>>722521730Goku brought Frieza back out of necessity because Buu had to take his designated nap time and it's either let the universe get wiped or come to a temporary truce. It's not like he just went "WAKU WAKU" and revived Frieza for no reason. Super Broly shows that they are absolutely still on bad terms with Frieza too.
>>722517168This guy might be the only thing that can revive Sparking Zero's hype, that and more singleplayer modes, and also what if fusions like Tiencha and Baby Vegito Black.
>>722522143Naw. Toriyama's art was great to the end.
>>722522182But clarify canonâŠ
>>722521540>in some capacity, able to fight post-Cell saga TrunksHere's the thing, 1v1 isn't the same as 3 or even 2 v 1. Even if they take turns you still have to keep an eye out for the others that could take advantage of your blind spot which is exactly what happened and even after she lands like five hits or so on him he just has a few dirt marks, no blood. She wasn't doing any kind of actual damage.Contrary to Gokua who basically Broly'd him ramming his face into a bridge until Trunks transformed and fisted him harder than your mom on your dad.Keep in mind that Gokua had transformed himself and wasn't stronger than a base SS Trunks so why would you expect Zangya to be on that level without transforming?
>>722522295Modern Toriyama designs were kinda bad. His covers were alright but still way below what he used to make before
>>722522372Gokua was just a shitter. All the other crew members were strong enough to give Gohan trouble alone and beat him up 2v1.Trunks destroyed 17 and 18 2v1, but Gohan (who's stronger) was losing to Zangya and Bujin. It's not even up for debate
>>722522372Gokua remind me if chrono trigger protagonists was evil
>>722522269>Goku brought Frieza back out of necessity because Buu had to take his designated nap time and it's either let the universe get wiped or come to a temporary truceThe funny thing about that is that the anime and manga play out differently. In the manga Goku just says "yeah I'll revive you" but in the anime Goku plays the long con saying he'll revive him using the earth balls specifically.And you can only be revived once with those.
>replaces GT SS4
>>722522270They still need to make Gohan Black actually playable too. It's ridiculous that he wasn't just a free update, they better not try and make him a Pass 2 character
>>722522504>GohanYou can't use Gohan as an example because they're just copying what they did with Cell in having Gohan be as pacifistic as possible. Also>and beat him up 2v1.It was a 3 on 1 fightYou haven't actually watched the movie have you.
>>722522662I think the red hair is kinda ugly but I don't mind Daima SS4 overall. They need to give it a sash though, I never realized how hard it carries the design.
>>722522710Try play Black/Nightmares from Hyper DBZ
>>722522865Forgot my image
>>722522865He was losing when fighting 2 on 1 too.>pacifisticlolHe was getting his ass beat, not anything else. He threw the first punch.
>>722522881Heroes' limit break SSJ4 or whatever it's called does look better with it, though the clothes and the way the hair is shaded probably helps. Goku's regular orange and blue gi just doesn't work as well with SSJ4 as it does with other outfits.
>>722523014>He was losing when fighting 2 on 1 too.There was no 2 on 1 fight. It was always 3 on 1.>He was getting his ass beat, not anything else. He was holding them off except for the odd punch on account of being outnumbered. >He threw the first punch.Zangya and Bido charged him first.Watch the movie.
Reminder, the only reason no one hits Zangya is because they didn't want to have any of the protags harm a woman. She's the only member who doesn't get hit.
>>722523362>Zangya and Bido charged him first.He threw the first attack and transformed before that.>He was holding them off except for the odd punch on account of being outnumbered. Nah. I literally posted the part where Gohan can't actually hold the two of them in close combat >>722522504
>>722522662I still don't know how to feel about it. GT Goku's SS4 was always one of the ugliest looking to me while Gogeta was by far the best, so Daima Goku is already an improvement by taking Gogeta's red and slapping it on Goku. Otherwise though Daima SS4 looks goofy as shit with the gorilla arms and the fur cutting off at the arm awkwardly. I need to see how it looks on other characters, I quite liked GT Vegeta's mullet so Daima SS4 better not disappoint me there.
>>722523738I doubt we'll see a Daima Vegeta SS4. Daima was a Toriyama passion project and with him gone I can't see them doing anything else with it.
>>722523618>He threw the first attack and transformed before that.After they took out the other Z fighters and were identified as a real threat. >I literally posted the part where Gohan can't actually hold the two of them in close combat >>722522504 # Which happens after this part >>722522938 where he's blocking every attack except that one hit in your one that happens immediately after. Also back on the topic of Trunks for a minute the wires drain energy, something established the first time he gets caught in it, so Zangya could barely damage a weakened Trunks.
A21 during Cell games
A21 during Buu resurrection
>>722523849>Daima was a Toriyama passion projectNot really? It wasn't even written by him, it was written by YĆ«ko Kakihara. He just made a lot of designs for it.
>>722523868>he's blocking every attack except that one hitSo he can't actually handle the two of them. Got it.
>>722522662I prefer it to GT's design. I don't care for either design all that much, though. SS4 sucks. It's better than shit like Orange Piccolo and Beast Gohan, I guess, but that's a pitiful bar.
>>722524035>Dragon Ball Daima, which will be rolled out in 2024, was originally planned to be an original anime series without me, but as I gave advice here and there, I ended up getting deeply involved with the project without realizing it. I was not only involved in the overall storyline, but also in the worldview, character design, mechas, and other aspects.I guess you can say it wasn't a passion project but it's the most involved he's ever been in an anime project
>>722524065Getting one hit in by surprise isn't a testament to their strength, it's an example of Gohan's in that he can handle 3 enemies at once with only one hit slipping every so often.In that scene you can see that he only gets hit by Zangya because he evaded her attack into Bujin who hit him back to her who hit him from behind.
>>722524065Just to drive it home he later ends up in a 4v1 with a transformed Bojack and still holds them all off for a short moment of time.
>>722494527>Wears a bandana stained with the blood of his comrades/friendsThat was cool. That was badass. Why take something cool and then replace it with something that isn't cool? I don't understand.
>>722524065This is also after three of them drain his energy with the wires and Bojack got in some solid hits.So the Bojack Squad as a whole definitely aren't strong.Going back to android 18 I remembered a very important detail, the future androids are weaker than the main timeline androids. So present 18 isn't comparable to future 18.
>>722524817Do you understand how crusty and uncomfortable a bandana of blood would be once it dries? It was fucking dumb
>>722524830>>722524637>>72252443416 (let alone 18) can't even begin to hurt semi perfect Cell, who's way weaker than Trunks.You could put an entire cargo of 16s and they'd fail to put a dent on Trunks.
>>722524817Why turn Trunks from this absolute giga chad into one of the faggiest, twinkiest little bitch characters in the entire series?Just Japanese things.
>>722524910Yeah you would know from being on your period.
>>722524817Dodoria fodderized this clown. He also raped Fasha btw.
>>722525016Anon, that's just saying that the Bojack Gang are weaker than Cell.
>>722525121Zarbon rape her pseudo-penis off panel
>>722525327They're stronger than semi perfect Cell since Trunks or Vegeta would have no issues killing 3 or 4 of those, but weaker than perfect Cell. They're actually just designated Cell Jrs
>>722501498I don't know why this fucker thinks he has wisdom to share from living on a farm and drawing buff furry women.
>>722502279top kek
>>722525413>They're stronger than semi perfect Cell since Trunks or Vegeta would have no issues killing 3 or 4 of those,May I remind you that Trunks one shot the only other transformed member other than Bojack without using second grade >>722522372In a one on one fight none of them stand a chance. They can only get a win ganging up on people.
>>7225256453 semi perfect Cells wouldn't be able to beat ASSJ Trunks, it's really that simple
>>722525719Yeah, they definitely would. It took Grade 2 Vegeta to overpower semi-perfect cell. 3 semi perfects vs 1 Vegeta or trunks would have resulted in them losing to cell.
>>722525872Lol
>>722525941>semi-perfect could draw bloodOkay, I take that back, two could.
>>722514269>They hated getting treated like slaves by himFalse. In the Bardock special, the Japanese version, they love working for Frieza.>old king Vegeta Sr. busts into his ship demanding to know what the fuck is going onFiller that was never in the manga
>>722506239>To accept the DBZ movies, you need to accept Xenoverse by extensionno
>>722525941You just proved that the Bojack's crew couldn't hold up against any character above Grade 2.That's why they didn't use it in the movie.
>>722526756You know Gohan is way stronger than Cell Games Grade 2 Trunks/Vegeta, who are also way stronger than the ones that beat semi perfect Cell's ass? Everyone in the Bojack movie is a lot stronger than semi perfect Cell who'd fodderize 18 without any issue. Hell, imperfect Cell already beats 17 and 18 without breaking a sweat.
>>722512276I think there was an interview out there where Toriyama said he liked the story but it was very different from what he'd doPeople forget but Toriyama is a comedy writer, he just managed to bullshit his way through Z due to his editor forcing him to make a serious story
KAKAROTTO!!!
>>722526756Nothing beat USSJ.
>>722494527Super-era Bardock looks like such a soulless faggot. Just like everything else in Super
>>722526892>Hell, imperfect Cell already beats 17 and 18 without breaking a sweat.That proves you wrong though you dipshit. We know that anyone in base SS can take out the members of Bojack's crew with ease and that they can handle everyone but Bojack in base SS unless they gang up.The future androids can take out Gohan and Trunks in base SS with ease.The present ones are stronger and can go toe to toe with Piccolo after fusing with Kami who would naturally have to be stronger than a super saiyan if he's handling 17 who's the stronger of the two.Imperfect Cell is stronger than Piccolo making him stronger than anyone in Bojack's Crew sans Bojack.Semi-perfect Cell is even stronger than that and that's where the comparisons end because no one used grade 2 in the Bojack movie to see how they would handle that but imperfect Cell was stronger than what everyone but Bojack could handle solo so at most you can highball Bojack himself as being on par with semi perfect.
>>722528545>We know that anyone in base SS can take out the members of Bojack's crew with easeNah not really, they struggle in 1v1 too. Gokua is the exception.>Imperfect Cell is stronger than Piccolo making him stronger than anyone in Bojack's Crew Piccolo is way stronger than imperfect Cell since he went back in the room. He's also stronger than semi perfect Cell, actually.2 Bojack Crew > Trunks or Gohan.Gohan >> Trunks >> semi perfect Cell >> 16 >= imperfect Cell >> two Androids.Therefore 1 Bojack Crew >>>>>>> 1 Android.
>>722505329I'm pretty sure that the one holding the rights to DB as a whole is the publisher. In this case that would be Shueisha, unless they sold them to Toei which wouldn't surprise me at all.By the point your work gets published anywhere, you're no longer the owner of your own work, as sad as that sounds....
>>722528545>Piccolo after fusing with Kami who would naturally have to be stronger than a super saiyanHow do he handle 100% freezea?
>>722505328That's called dedication.
>>722498440western sensitivities is more profitable, how dare goku's father be a bloodthirsty barbarian. It is much more poetic that goku took revenge of his father but not in the way he would've wished for than copying superman even more
