What's so "good" about Chrono Trigger?
>>722496862It was a real meaty game for your money and time back in the day. Really fun combat and story unfolding and all those branching paths made it feel like you were playing an anime. DQ in general captures the same vibes.
>>722496862Gerson? Is that you?
its a solid RPG with multiple endings and NG+
(You) just had to be there. it was a special time in gaming history when there was nothing else like it. I didn't even know who Akira Toriyama was at the time, nor did I even know about Dragonball. so, from a purely gaming and writing standpoint, the game will always be the GOAT JRPG.
It's a peak aesthetic experience, the art, music, pacing and to a lesser extent the story are as good as it gets in video games
>>722496862Combat, pacing (both combat and overall), music, story moments, characters
>>722496862when a game is that iconic and memorable it’s because it does everything right
>>722496862babby's first jrpg
>>722496862Nothing, don't play it, it's not for you or your generation.It's for me and my generation and no other.Please forget it even existed, just play the slop that exists for you.
>>722496862Nothing. It is shit game that weebs think is worth something.
>>722499451That's Dragon Quest
>>722499451That's Pokemon
>>722499451that's Digital Devil Saga but only if the baby was born being based
>>722496862it's the most "perfect" JRPG ever made, in the sense that every part of it (story, gameplay, graphics, pacing) are done well. Same as FF7. That doesn't mean "it's the best", just the most polished
>>722499451that's final fantasy
>>722496862everything
>>722496862If you don't like playing a game, asking why it's good probably won't help you.
>>722496862The 11/10 OST and Toriyama art work carried an 8/10 game into eternal cultural zeitgeist for JRPGs, a generally subpar genre so there isn't much competition.simple as
>>722496862Frog's themeThe settingThe NPCsThe insanityThe time-travelFrog's theme
>>722503797I love everything else about this game, but I genuinely consider Toriyama's art style to be a downside. Thankfully the pixel art doesn't reflect the style itself that closely.
>>722497049Wasn’t it also one of the first games to introduce the concept of New Game+?
>>722499451Final Fantasy>>722503329Mystic Quest ;)
The music (normal battle theme, corridors of time, forest theme, final Lavos battle song),The battle system (team attacks, positioning, the timed gauge),Mulyiple paths,Different and cool settings (prehistoric, post apocalypse, feudal),Cool cast,Decent length.
>>722504547>The term was coined in the 1995 role-playing video game Chrono Trigger,[1] but examples can be found in earlier games, such as Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei, The Legend of Zelda and Ghosts 'n Goblins[citation needed].That was news to me.
>>722504962I don't know how the original Megami Tensei did it, but Zelda just unlocked a harder mode without anything carrying over IIRC and the second run in Ghosts 'n Goblins (which was mandatory for the true ending) was more akin to a 2-all loop in shmups rather than what is understood under NG+ nowadays.
>>722504547Super Metroid did it by accident before Chrono Trigger
>>722504336Its a doenside for me too but at the time Dragon Ball was at its peak, not only in popularity but also in quality.
What's the officially approved by /v/ opinion on the musical? I want to be sure I'm conforming to the hivemind.
>>722504618
>>722506224There's a musical?
>>722506224>i must say good thing isn't actually good!!! otherwise im hivemind!!!
>>722506224The amount of effort put in is definitely admirable, but it's turbocringe.
Were set-pieces/bits in older JRPGs more imaginative and whimsical?Chrono Trigger has you go to dinsoaur land, on a flying prison, magical floating islands, inside ruined factories, and so on.FF6 has you fight in an opera house, on a raging river, on floating bits of land, probably other neat placesFF...4? Cecil, you go underground to a cavernous realm, to the moon, through many mountainsI enjoyed DQ XI, but I can't say I found any place really memorable/special
>>722506392https://youtu.be/Yn2Vu_R-KKcSame people also made an Undertale musical.>>722506520Well, yes, that's the epic 4chan meme: everything is bad, especially everything you like.
>>722504618Dragon Warrior
>>722506157I don't think Dragon ball peaked at '95 I don't think that is Cell saga.
>>722496862Music, story, sprite design and nostalgia.Gameplay isn't too great but there is some fun exploration.
>>722507210If I recall, Cell Saga aired in the early 90s - '93, I think? Though it didn't air in America until 2000.
>>722499451That's Trails in Cold Steel 3
>>722506880DQ was always less fantastical but counterbalanced that with whimsy and occasional bits of serious drama. 11 probably has the most spectacle of any DQ.
>>722507210It was announce just as Z came back with the Buu sayiaman saga and was released as Z was ending with kid Buu. So it got the hype riding the waves of Cell saga which ended months before its announcement and the hype of people's expections to what the series would be like after Cell saga and with Gohan being the MC
nothing
>>722504724Positioning he said.Hell no. Fire Emblem had positioning. Not CT.
>>722507259If the gameplay is not good... the game can't be good.
>>722499451that's E33.
>>722510098If the gameplay is about killing niggers, playing the game would kill you.
>>722507259>>722510098Gameplay is good. It's just not deep. It's not meant to be.>>722509950Yeah, people overestimate the on screen fughting's actual merits. The game is from the same school of thought as FF6 and 7. You have to try, but the game will accept most anything as long as you're paying attention.
Most old JRPGs like Final Fantasy were unbelievably terrible, making CT seem amazing in comparison. Having no random encounters or battle screens was huge. Everyone had actual fighting animations. The pacing wasn't shot and the game didn't send you grinding or doing endless pointless fetch quests. The characters had coherent designs and even personalities. You had some actual choices like killing Magus or getting the different endings. These sound like no brainers but the genre was so abysmal it was mindblowing
>>722496862Chrono Trigger would go from an 8 to a 10 if they added Party Chat like the DQ remakes did
>>722511369>Most old JRPGs like Final Fantasy were unbelievably terribleThe only people who say shit like this are ones who haven't actually played a bunch of RPGs. Go play shit like Vampyr: Talisman of Invocation and say that again.
>>722505910Hold up how do you do New Game+ in Super Metroid?
>>722511835trvth nvke
>>722506316The OST is pretty banging https://youtu.be/KaMNKS-LNTQ Benjamin had a Shrug animation before Cloud did
>>722507131Which Dragon Warrior though?The first few are pretty rough if we’re talking the NES originals, unless you mean the Super Famicom remakes or the modern remakes in the 2020s
>>722496862the musicthe settingthe charactersthe storythe mechanicsthe availabilitythe replayability sorry you weren't there lil bro
>>722496862No clue, not even top 5 RPG of the snes.
>>722504962>but examples can be found in earlier games, such as Digital Devil Story: Megami Tenseilet's see>Five minutes after the word "END" appears on the screen after the ending, the player can begin a new cycle with the Spring of Healing and Cathedral of Shadows missing from Micom Townnew cycle is basically new game+
>>722504724There’s even an in-game in-universe reason as to why you can only have a total of 3 Party Members
>>722511369>no random encountersThat’s what Super Mario RPGs and its other RPG spinoffs had in common with CT too, even Earthbound as well and EB gets bonus points for allowing you to kill weak enemies on the spot if you’re stronger than them. A lot of people forget that.
>>722513480>top 5 RPG of the snesname em
>>722496862I didn't get to finish this and lost my save. Seemed alright, had an unique battle mechanic and some plot, maybe they like these parts, I don't dislike regular random encounters but people like seeing something different.
>>722496862I don't like the party members in CT at all
>>722513669nice threesome team
>>722496862you're playing the wrong version
The combat is terrible, not sure what people are talking about. You play it for aesthetics and the cool time travel plot with more endings.
>>7225141521. Lufia 22. Breath of Fire 23. Terranigma4. Seiken Densetsu 35. FF 6
>>722514952I like Lufia 2 but I would never put it above CT.Breath of Fire 2 is garbage.Terranigma is an ARPG, and so is SD3 that was never even released in the West, so I wouldn't say it's fair to count them.FF6 is a classic, sure.
If they had just had actual romance paths in the game we would still be arguing about it like FF7 and it would be GOAT. As it is, it did kinda fall off the radar here in the future.
>>722504547no but it's largely what popularized the concept, in RPGs especially
>>722514952>BoF2Christ you're either very old or very stupid
>>722514952>VI above VFaggot
>>722515298Replace Marle with Ayla. Then replace Chrono with Marle
>>722515298should have gone the harem route(or just menage a trois)
>>722512318That isn't even a JRPG, you fucking retard
>>722515561>or just menage a troisWith Robo and Frog, yes.
>>722515561I should finish this game, was like 30 hours in.
>>722515561What are some more RPGs with OT3?
>>722515707My argument was that there are far, far worse RPGs in general, retard-kun.
>>722515465Not everyone cares about job system. And 6 is much better overall.
>>722515298>romance pathsImagine an ending where Crono settles down with Ayla and creates and weird funny time paradox
>>722496862the art and the musiceverything else about it sucks total ass and is for developmentally stunted mental midgets
>>722516359Grandia 2 I think
>>722503329Final fantasy is like a VN with skillchecks
>>722504962loops have been a thing since 80s arcade gamesit just slowly evolved into the term NG+
>>722499451pretty much, all the retarded replies to this are all much more mechanically complex and mechanically deep games compared to it, even fucking dragon quest 1, even fucking mystic quest is a million times more compelling to actually fucking play
>>722504962loops aren't new game+s
>>722506880play tao for the famicom
>>722516359Operating Thetan 3?
>>722511175the gameplay isn't just not deep, it's also pure dogshit on top of being braindead simple
>>722516897Ayla has her cavetwink mate, though.
>>722499451That's Unlimited Saga.
>>722512318>The only people who say shit like this are ones who haven't actually played a bunch of RPGs.and what a coincidence that they're also the ones who think chrono nigger is god's semen and seethes incessantly at anyone who dares to not guzzle it
>>722514705they're people who don't like rpgs or rpg combat
>>722515298>lets make a shit game even worsegod i hate zoomers
>>722515274Lufia 2 is the best JRPG ever and period by the simple fact that is one of the few ones with fun dungeons.
>>722518426;)
>>722515274>I like Lufia 2 but I would never put it above CT.It's one of the few RPGs that caused the water main above my 1*story home to break and leak water on my face.
>>722514654DS is the best one and was translated for Europe
>>722517489How does he survive without hipbones?
>>722496862you know what's nuts? It's 2025 and hardly any of enemies have actual artwork for the bestiary.
imagine if they did chrono trigger reimagined
Chrono Trigger x Fire Emblem
>>722496862The greatest minds of the genre came together to make a game with the premise of "JRPG but without any of the shit that ruins these games". It was fantastic and an immediate all-time classic.
>>722517636>No actual retortConcession accepted
>>722514952>Seiken Densetsu 3this game is a downgrade from 2 in every way.
>>722516359Octopath Traveler 3 hasn't been made yet. we've got 1, 2, and the mobile game.
>>722496862Pacing.Just superb pacing.
>>722504724>positioningPoser retard
>>722496862It's not fucking good. People should shut the fuck up about it. The gameplay of all these old JRPGs aged like shit, so the only thing there to still carry them and make them worth playing today is the writing, as the music and visuals aren't strong enough on their own. Unfortunately, Chrono Trigger's writing is just not it. Go play Mother 3 instead. But don't play Earthbound. It has aged even worse than Chrono Trigger.
>>722514952>>722521234The ONLY good Mana game is the first, Final Fantasy Adventure. Thankfully it's a masterpiece, but anyone playing the rest is fucking up
you ever wonder how big Chrono Trigger was going to be originally with all that scrapped content they couldn't add into the game due to ROM size and time constraints? There was supposedly a female shinobi at one point, but that was in the early drafting stages.
>>722496862>jrpg>but without all bad mechanics other jrpgs had (random encounters, grinding, half of party members being underleveled, overcomplicated resource management) >the plot that constantly surprises you and subverts your expectations>no padding content: you just move from one big event to another>among the best looking rpgs on snes>the first video game that had new game+>the first rpg to have multiple endings >together with FF6, it popularised endgame companion quests every party-based rpg has nowadays (both eastern and western)It just felt like a big step for gaming when it was released. It feels generic nowadays because every game copies something from it.
>>722521706>Final Fantasy Adventure.should they remake it again for the third time? What about the handheld SD titles?
>>722514952>Breath of Fire IIOpinion discarded. Is there even a good BoF game?
>>722521893No to first question, original us perfect, they're shit to second question
>>722521671>The gameplay of all these old JRPGs aged like shitIt really hasn't. Moreover, JRPG gameplay hasn't really changed in all these years.>the music and visuals aren't strong enough on their own>Chrono Trigger's writing is just not itI'm sorry you've got such shit taste anon, life must be hard like this.
>>722521671>Unfortunately, Chrono Trigger's writing is just not it.shitting on Masato Kato now aren't we?
>>722496862It's literally the best game ever made. The whole is much bigger than the sum of its parts.
>>722522036They're all good games, but III and IV are the ones that can be considered 'great'. II just gets a lot of justifiable hate because of its atrocious translation and encounter rate.
>>722513231These are just fantasy resins of dragon ball characters
>>722496862nothingit was ok for the times but it has been surpassed by every jrpg released later
>>722499451Up until 2024 but now we have E33 and for next 20 years every normalfag will claim that jrpg tropes were invented by E33
What's with all this BoF2 hate, the characters and story are even better than any FF, I take Kat above any other final whore.
>>722522179>>722522308All the characters are just boring anime tropes. The story isn't emotionally compelling. Neither is it particularly thought provoking. It has to have something for me to find it worthwhile, but it just doesn't.
>>722500037not really weebs, more like tendies
>>722522843You're trying so hard to pretend to be an intellectual you loop right back around to sounding retarded.
>>722506976>Chrono speaksPure garbage.
>>722496862Everything except the combat is top shelf, and while the combat is not good it does at least have the decency to end quickly and let you get back to the rest of the game>>722503329>that's final fantasyChrono Trigger is even easier than most final fantasies
>>722522954I don't care to pretend to be an intellectual. I'm just telling you my honest thoughts. Listen, you may like the story. I'm not telling you you're not allowed to. But *I* don't like it. You people should get some tougher skin and realize that others expressing negative opinions about media you like isn't some great affront to your entire being.
>>722522843>emotionally compelling>thought provokingIt's a fantasy game about teenagers saving the world and marrying princess. Nobody wants pretentious bullshit in a fairytale story like that.It has all the things the story needs: edgy villains, cool special move animations and unexpected plot twists.
>>722522843It's not supposed to be thought provoking or emotionally compelling. It's a simple, lighthearted adventure with likable characters, a bunch of cool times and places to visit, good pacing, and a lot of variety.
>>722514952I've started playing BoF2 after finishing the first game, I'm not far in, but no.
>>722523423>>722523664Okay, but then you have stories like the one of Mother 3, which despite not being very thought provoking or complex, managed to be very emotionally compelling. So this is not an acceptable excuse in my eyes. The stories you're talking about are only serviceable, which is fine for a game that has other things going for it. But as I explained here >>72252167, these old JRPGs have aged fucking terribly, so the only thing there to make them worthwhile these days is the story. If the story isn't exceptional, then it's frankly not worth playing. Go play some more modern games with serviceable stories, that have much better gameplay.
>>722524228>Mothernobody cares bro, that series stinks.
>>722496862I played it for the first time like 7 or 8 years ago and was blown away
imagine how different chrono trigger could have been had Akira Toriyama not done art for the game and continued with the concept art. Also did you know the developers used actual photographs for their backgrounds? I can't find the link that had beta titles for Chrono Trigger?https://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php?topic=14320.0
>>722524228>managed to be very emotionally compellingSo did CT.>these old JRPGs have aged fucking terriblyGod I fucking hate zoomers. Or is it gen alpha now? Getting hard to keep track.
>>722522817>possibly the worst translation in JRPG history>that encounter rate>the town building system being extremely underexplained and full of guide-dang-its like locking you out of the best equipment in the game>the shaman system turning off when you hit low HP, so you pretty much have no chance of having a fully fused team through the final dungeon to the last bossIt pretty much only has music/aesthetic going for it, but it's an extremely big draw. As you said, Katt is perfect.
>>722524330Most of the Mother series hasn't aged very well, so I don't recommend it. But I do recommend Mother 3. It suffers from the same gameplay problems many classic JRPGs suffer from, but at least the writing can make you feel something. Which makes it worth giving a try even today. Again, it's not some complex thought provoking narrative, but it has very touching moments. Which is rare in video game writing.
>>722524228Well, they're different, apples and oranges. Earthbound is pretty iconic but a story that only aims to be fun can be enjoyable too, I guess? It's not a matter of being dated, just a preference. It's like Dragon Ball Z.
Emotional compelling is a subjective thing
anybody remember Chrono Trigger Unglued?
>>722524330>that series stinksheh, i get it
>>722523005erm, actually...
>>722524692None of those points is a valid criticism or even a problem really, since when do we complain about encounter rates anyways, Shaman System could have been cooler though.
>>722496862manna actually has a in-universe explanation.
>>722525050They're all valid, but you're just too intellectually lazy/stupid to address them.
>>722525050>since when do we complain about encounter rates anywaysAlways. All the time. And rightfully so.
>>722525046and then Cross happens....which doesn't happen at the same time. hell man Janus/Magus having his own game in an open world setting or a tactics strategy game would work.
>>722496862its like the iliad or the divine comedy where you have to say its good or people will call you gay
btw I don't mind anime tropes unless it gets to the level of metaphor/persona where it feels like they're going too hard on cliches, even for me, and end up being kind of tame.
>>722525214Most people who complain about encounter rates are admittedly retards who don't even like JRPGs, but BoF2 is the single most egregious example of all time, and it isn't even an NES game.
>>722525334>Most people who complain about encounter rates are admittedly retards who don't even like JRPGsNo? It's a fairly common complaint from all kinds of JRPG fans. That's why a lot of the games have all these encounter rate reducing patches that are honestly a godsend for some games, bumping them up from nigh unplayable to actually pretty good.
>>722525334Never got a problem with it, and the music was good enough to keep me hooked.
>>722499451thats super mario rpg
>>722525463No, it's a complaint from zoomers who didn't grow up with random encounters.
>>722524228Chrono Trigger has solid gameplay for modern standards. And the story is more interesting than revange story every modern cinematic AAA slop does.
>>722525214Not really, I have only heard "people" complaining about it as of late, always from zoomers that cannot play any JRPG without a speed toggle option.
>>722525496I'm glad you're so easily entertained.
>>722525557>>722525647It's a complaint from millenials who got tired of spending their entire youth wading through random encounters every 2 steps.
The musicThe settingsThe storylineThe party
>>722525691>no uEmbarrassing.
>>722525657It goes along a great game, sure.
>>722525757No me, actually.
>>722525463>JRPG ""fans""*fixedTurn-based is based, psyop by pseud bloggers now-youtubers that don't *understand* the genre and say that to prop storyslop such as FF6 over mechanically better games.
>>722524228>mother 3 tries to be emotionally compelling and succeeds>chrono trigger tries to be a light hearted fun romp and succeedsyoure free to prefer one, but i dont really see the issue
>>722526323>random encounters every two steps is good mechanically sound designFuck you too. I'm glad we get mostly games with symbol encounters nowadays.
>>722496862the musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXo3DrXHY8w*closes thread*
>>722520346I’ll take HD2D Chrono Trigger thank you very much
>>722525050High random encounter rates suck, they are a valid point of criticism and are worth complaining about.
>>722525050>since when do we complain about encounter rates anyways,Depends on the encounter rate. 1 every 10-20 steps? sure. 1 ever 1-3 steps? That's annoying.
>>722527325One encounter every 20 steps is still way too much
>>722496862Lucca best girl no cap
>>722527368You don't like JRPGs. That's okay. Just stop going into threads and shitting out your worthless opinion about them.
>>722504547I don´t remember CT having newgame +, neither magus being able to join your party...
>>722527325>1 ever 1-3 steps?Is this still about BoF2? Because I fucking swear I could walk from one city to the other without a single random encounter.
>>722520870nice total reading comprehension failure, ESL retard
>0 grinding required >perfect pacing>fun characters>legit feels moments>god tier OST>no random battles>you can see the enemies and dodge some of them if you try>multiple endings
>>722522334it's not even the best snes rpg released in 95
>>722527712I like JRPGs when they are good, especially when the combat system has some depth to it, and isn't purely a waste of time. A few examples of good JRPGs like this include Potato Flowers in Full Bloom, Helen's Mysterious Castle, and Labyrinth of Touhou. I don't like JRPGs when they're a VN where you spend half your playtime in a braindead easy and slow paced combat system.
>>722523260>others expressing negative opinions about media you like isn't some great affront to your entire being.yes it is, because worshipping a shit game is all they have to their being
The only difference between a JRPG and a dungeon crawler is the top down view.
>>722516897>weird funny time paradoxThe planet or whatever is behind the time wimey bullshit makes exceptions all the time for Robo, Lucca to get their happy endings. If Crono and Ayla wanted to bang for good it would bend reality to an ungodly degree to make it happen without issues. my headcanon is that Marle's hair will become red and that's all.
>>722528809>0 grinding required>this is a good pointWe are doomed as a species.
>>722525463>all kinds of JRPG non-fans.ftfyf
>>722522626I always searched for that Gohan spin-off or movie or whatever I saw as a kid, eventually figured out it was DQ3.The fact that Gohan has a sword for a while in DBZ doesn't help, either.
>>722521234Imbecile
found the beta Chrono Trigger namesDragon Fantasy (ドラゴン・ファンタジー)Final Quest (ファイナル・クエストEarth Trial (アーストライアル)Chronomancer (クロノマンサー)Chrono Venture (クロノ・ベンチャー)Prime Time (プライム・タイム)Cardinal PointChronosphereGyadou!!Black Nova!Gaia CoreTIMEBUSTERS (Easy since it's in the Latin Alphabet)https://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/index.php/1995_Gendai_Plus_Chrono_Trigger_Feature
>>722528913>lists three dungeon crawlers, which are infamous for their random encounter ratesI see, you're just a (You)-hungry prostitute. Enjoy this last one.
>>722528913you don't like rpgs, fuck off
>>722528913Labyrinth of Touhou has an ungodly amount of padding grindan between the good encounters, it's NOT a good example of what you're talking about, and it's NOT a good thing especially if you like JRPGs.
>>722529214yes zoomer, there was a time before brainrot grindy shit
>Chrono (if playing the remake)>Nadia>Glenn>R-66Y>Janusyep, its gaming time
>tfw no new chrono trigger doujins
>>722514070>when you auto win a battle and get the alert one of your teammates leveled while still in the overworldSo much fun when that happens.
wonder what CT anon is up to
>>722527368I liked the way Pokemon did it where you would only encounter monsters if you didn't have a repel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5u-csrqLcg
>>722530170They got that from Dragon Quest.
>one of the best villains in gaming>it's just a dumb hungry bughow did he do it?
>>722496862It's a proper adventure game
>ywn explore future world
>>722529357Helen's Mysterious Castle is absolutely not a dungeon crawler>>722529440It does have too many trash fights for sure. The encounter rate is generally not high, trash fights usually end super fast, and you can reliably run away so I can mostly forgive it. The boss fights are super good.
What's recommended on a first-time playthrough. Active or Wait?
>>722532019it depends, are you a pussy or a man?
>>722531268Isn't the bug just the outer shell, and the real bad guy is a space alien?
>>722496862The simple story is its greatest asset.Most JRPG's get bogged down with convoluted plot twists to the point where it's impossible to keep track of what's happening - CT's simple story and characters ensure you never have that problem, and being a simple story means the pacing is pitch perfect which is something else that's a huge problem with the genre.If you do the side content, it has some really interesting Day of the Tentacle style shenanigans happening, where if you do something in one timezone it will affect other timezones simultaneously.The other thing it does so well that was innovative is the set pieces - the trial sequence near the beginning was a huge deal at the time fir eg, and i remember magazine reviews raving about it. That kind of thing had been done in FF6 previously, but Chrono Trigger really went all out with it.Overall it's an overrated game for sure, if Akira Toriyama didn't do the art, nobody would remember it at all. But it still does some excellent things that people seem to overlook even to this day.
The epicness
>>722533059>if Akira Toriyama didn't do the art, nobody would remember it at all.that's bullshit and you know it. the game was popular in the west before Dragon ball ever got big here, the music alone is enough to make it a significant game. Secret of Mana didn't have toriyama art and people still remember it after all.
>>722515298>be Lucca>smart inventor and blacksmith who helps save the world>save forward four years later>joke villain who you beat several times over suddenly turns into an interdimensional ubermensch>aforementioned villain convinces a neighboring country that enjoyed 400 years of peace to invade your home country>your best friends and parents die in the ensuing war>you try to make the best of things by creating an orphanage for kids who lost their parents in the war>agree to help build weapons and tech for the invaders' military to help make ends meet>invaders sell you out to the evil cat furry henchman of a spacetime manipulating supercomputer>aforementioned evil cat furry burns down your orphanage, kills most of the kids inside, and kidnaps you>you spend years in captivity being force to conduct unethical research against your will>get killed off behind the scenes for insubordinationWhat the fuck was Masato Kato's problem with Lucca as a character?
>>722531268>one of the best villains in gamingNo.But I do like Lavos. They wanted to portray a force of nature and they did a good job. Worse writers might give it an evil monologue, elaborate manipulative plans, or have it actively interfere with the party. Every time a villain pulls that shit and the party ends up better off, it makes the bad guys look really stupid.Lavos doesn't need any of that. Lavos doesn't think about you at all. You have a fucking time machine to attack it in any era yet none of that helps. You either face it on its own terms or not at all. It's going to sleep for 65,000,000 years and end the world and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
>>722499451jrpgs is babys first genre so who cares.the entire appeal is the gameplay is incredibly simple and its designed in a way that lets it be long to engross you into its story and characters
>>722496862I find it a bit bizarre how Chrono Trigger doesn't get criticism in the West, while things like Dragon Quest are often considered bland and overly simplistic here.But Dragon Quest, even though it's simple, is infinitely more complex than Chrono Trigger in terms of mechanics. Doing custom runs in some DQ games, or even playing at low levels, or with the draconian quests included in the latest games, make DQ relatively strategic and difficult, but it still has a reputation for being a bland game, while Chrono Trigger, a game that could very well be a walking simulator, is praised not only as a good RPG, but as one of the best games of all time.Westerners are retarded.
>>722535069>But Dragon Quest, even though it's simple, is infinitely more complex than Chrono Trigger in terms of mechanics.Turn on Active Mode and crank the speed up to 1.And don't come back crying about getting wrecked by Zombor or the Golem Sisters.
>>722535069well the west actually got chrono trigger when we were dumb babies without it being raped in translation.like all of you faggots forgot was we didn't get jack shit from japan until like the mid 2010's>why is dragon ball and sailor moon so popular instead of my much better "obsecure" anime of the timebecause we actually got it when it was relevant and most people didn't know that shit was Japanese anyways? >why is ff6 more popular than 5 in the westwhy do you think, and why do we still have these conversations. most of you are bold face liars pretending you were importing shit 20 years ago. plain and simple
I like Cross more than Trigger.
>>722534776She was best girl had to get rid of competition
>>722532790no the bug is the actual space alien, the other things inside it are super forms of sorts.I mean it's literally just cell
haha turtle
>>722534776Dalton happening is more plausible than feeding a whole army with one ham lol
>>722535918the actual space alien is to the right of its left and center bits
>>722496862It's fun and shortThat's itPeople forget that JRPGs were an extremely normtard friendly genre during the 16 and 32-bit eraThat changed when jarpig devs decided to make their games 100 hours long so normal people with lives and jobs couldn't complete them
>>722535217That barely makes a difference. You just spam the same moves. You don't need to spend much time in the menus at all
>>722537654The army was like five guys
>>722496862it's a short straight forward linear RPG without any of that mandatory sidequest/open world/grinding bullshit in other RPGs.wish more RPGs were straight forward. I don't have infinite time you know.
>>722538692>without any of that mandatory sidequestYou're going to have a real rough time if you don't do any of the endgame sidequests.
>>722497403So its just normieslop.
>>722499451Dragon Poop
>>722496862Its a very tight rpg that doesn't make you think "man this game should have ended 10 hours ago"It doesn't waste your time.
>>722513231Toriyama same face is something else
>>722528327I was just talking in general terms about random encounters.I've played games that had way too many.
>>722528327You are absolutely full of shit, or you're forgetting that you used Rand's ability. And that requires tight reaction times to begin with.
>>722514952>Lufia 2
When was the last tailor-made linear or (wide-linear at the best) RPG you played without any of that filler?
>>722522398Wasn't there a fan patch that fixes that stuff?
>>722540171Idk, but you didn't beat the game if you used it.
>>722539868>And that requires tight reaction times to begin with.Nigga what, how did you even stay alive up to this point if you lack the basic reflexes for that, I bet you also couldn't get Boombada.
>>722539868>And that requires tight reaction times to begin withYou're just making it sound fun. But really, the overworld isn't a big deal whether you can roll well or not. You don't spend that much time on the overworld. Most of the game is dungeons and the dungeon encounter rate is fucking miserable
>>722540546I know, I'm the one who was originally calling out the encounter rate. It's literally the worst example in JRPG history.
Ya know, a JRPG with variable encounter rates could be neat. When you're underleveled for an area, the monsters rush you ever 1-3 steps. Normal level every 20-30 steps, overleveled every 60-100 steps.And then there's a whistle ability if you want to force encounters.
I really want to write a Chrono game on the Day of Lavos. A lot can happen in 24 hours.
>>722540626Not really, or not enough to make it stand out.
>>722541065It's worse than FF1 and DQ1, so I challenge you to find the absolute literal who game which is worse.
>>722539312Normies weren't big into JRPG's in 1996, no.
biggest thing for me personally back in the day was the multiple endings. It was CRAZY for a game to have multiple endings in 1996.
>>722540626Yeah, bringing up the overworld was a weird dodge. But bringing up Rand just makes the game sound fun when he barely makes a difference. If you could roll where it counts BoF2 might be a different, more fun game.But probably not, because even with optimal play you need to grind to a high level or it's statistically impossible to win. I found the GBA version a slog and later learned it was ridiculously smooth compared to SNES: you get twice as much EXP and three times the gold
>>722541323This is a bot.
>>722541414That is my post. Do you want me to fill out a fucking captcha
>>722541495This is a bot.
>>722499451Gotta start somewhere
>>722541323>you need to grind to a high levelAll these complains sound from either absolute retards or people that didn't play the game, I can only think in one spike in difficulty in the game, but coincidentally at that point you had options to level up faster, after that you get enough levels by just playing the game.
>>722541551you're a bot
>>722532505What's the intended experience?
>>722542221>All these complains sound from either absolute retardsthe irony
>>722541323You never need to grind levels at any time. The game is designed to be beaten by just naturally playing through normally. Gear is far more important than levels and item usage is actually useful. Most older RPGs weren't just bum rushing everything. You actually needed a brain to win some fights.
>>722504547>>722512741Sex with Ayla.
>>722542882Breath of Fire 2 is absolutely not like that. When I was young I thought maybe I was just playing it wrong and there was some brilliant use of overworld mechanics or shaman transformations to make the game good, but there isn't. Sometimes I watch the world record BoF2 guy suffer through it, doing the same agonizing shit over and over until his characters can hold their ground. If he doesn't, boss RNG one shots him. That's how the game is
>>722524228I played Cold Steel 1 and it's less fun than Chrono Trigger. Just endless school slop
>>722522308yes. the writing is shit tier with more asspulls than ff4
>>722531268>lavos made wayne hylics
>>722532019doesn't really matter either way, the game is piss easy, but there are a few gimmicky ass battles where you have an advantage with wait because it allows you to pass turns without having to do any inputs
>>722535069glad someone finally gets itbut yes, westoidals are absolutely retarded when it comes to anything japanese especially, idk how the jews did it but they somehow implanted some mind control chip in their brains to make them seethe with rage at anything remotely japanese, it's quite uncanny
>>722531569But you can explore 1999 A.D and even get to hear the bonus music tracks there too, think of it as a Sonic CD Good Future before the Bad Future happens in 2300 A.Dhttps://www.romhacking.net/hacks/3691/https://youtu.be/DVS1DhpGoE8https://youtu.be/I-I80Ms8nmMhttps://youtu.be/E1zM-OMakeshttps://youtu.be/69j5nk3qEO8https://youtu.be/H10bdZsclJ0
>>722535584cross is at least a deeper and more complicated game, but in that effort it also manages to trip itself up in the process, also 3dshit is soulless so the art direction suffered badly, as did the music, which were the only good things about ct
>>722537759>People forget that JRPGs were an extremely normtard friendly genre during the 16 and 32-bit era??? what the fuck is this historical revisionism by lumping two completely different fucking eras together and calling it for the one that fits your retarded headcanon? there was nothing normgroidal-friendly about 16 bit rpgs, it wasn't until 32 bit that normongrels even had a clue what rpgs even were
>>722539312same with every other "rpg" that's massively venerated by normgroidals who hate rpgs
>>722540626there's far worse, and in far better games at that
Defeating Spekkio when he’s a Pink Nu is quite the accomplishment since he will throw tons of high level spells at you and a spell that reduces all party member HP to 1
Aren't RPGs by definition about grinding?If a RPG didn't have grinding (or at the very least made grinding optional), would you even call it a RPG?At that point I'd just call it an Adventure game.FYI, I'm not actually pro-grinding, the less the better.
>>722541134wizardry?megami tensei 1? you get chain encounters in that, can't even take a fucking step before it puts you into the next queued up battlesaga 1? though the rate can be pretty variable, when it gets bad it's literally 1 step per fightromancing saga 1? not random encounters, but enemies can pile into the fight whicu results in a long belt-scrolling battlefield that you have to fight through which can be like 5 whole encounters worth of enemies in 1 extended fightkill yourself or actually play rpgs before you talk about them
>>722534776Any point in time that anon’s would want to return to? And why?You did save Lucca’s mom from being a cripple right?
>>722545849Depends on the RPG, really.I'd say most of them are about the story and you can do reasonably well just going straight from one objective to another with some grinding for gold near new towns if that's your thing.
>>722546238wrong, rpgs are in fact about the rpg combat gameplay. the games that are about stories are walking simulators and visual novels in that order
>>722535069Lol I love how in the 1999 A.D Truce Theater Chrono Trigger even parodies itself with a movie about the War against Magus and even depicting Crono as a generic Knight, Lucca as a generic female NPC, Marle as a maid and Frog as an enemy monster
>>722496862im liking the story, the art, the music and the combat system
>>722539471You cannot deny the legacy and impact Akira Toriyama left behind
>>722540801I actually cannot think of an RPG that has done what you described but yeah this sounds neat for a concept
>>722496862short, easy for beginners to understandit's not a good rpg if you've played a lot of rpgs, it's a good entry level rpg if you haven't though
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>>722546867I'm the big nice stinky guy.So poison king slime with wings?
>>722512741Spacetime beam glitch.
>>722545751Name them so I can laugh at you.
>>722541215Castlevania Simon’s Quest had multiple endings too depending on how fast you beat the game, Metroid inspiration I’m guessing
>>722545998>not random encounters,Kill yourself, you self-important pilpulling retard. Spiritually jewish argumentative fuckhead.
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>>722545849in a regular rpg, you'll kill the enemies you come across. that's not "grinding", it's playing the game. playing the game isn't grind. you can beat the game by doing that and the level curve encourages you to go to the area boss. If you stop progressing to kill 999 slimes in the starting area while speeding up the emulator, that's grind, ideally it's a choice you do if you want to feel overleveled but not necessary.
>>722540347good, I will mod, cheat, and contort my pirated software however it pleases me best. anything less makes you a cuck to dev whims
>>722547638you're the pilpulling this entire time, actual jewish nigger
