How did you miss such big news? the actual devs from Diablo 1 and 2 are making a new ARPG
Okay, tell me if it ends up being good, unlike Hellgate.
>>722514069>HellgateIt was ahead of its time, it was the first looter shooter, the only issues were bugs.
Because every time an ex-Blizzard made a Diablo clone they made a masterpiece, right?
Being "Ex-Blizzard dev" doesn't mean much when there's a history of "Ex-bBizzard devs" coasting on that rep and producing total stinkers.However, setting that aside, Diablo 1 wasn't even a loot-grinding game. They're going to run face-first in to the autism of POEbabbies who think it's not an aRPG unless everything on the screen immediately dies while they eagerly anticipate hearing theor lootfilter play a ding because something valuable dropped.
>>722513850What cool, fresh direction? Corporate art and gay romance?It's diablo, but... hazbin homotel!
>>722513850>$4.5 millionwow, they're gonna make an indie-tier game?sweet
>>722514162>>722514223this is literally the core team (minus david brevik the creator) that made diablo 1 and 2, from blizzard north team, not the gay warcraft team
>>722513850just like some of the original devs from wow tried making a new mmo and how did that turn out?
Oh yeah just like the actual devs for SC BW and 2 are making a new awesome RTS called uhhh let me check...stormgate?And just like the old turtle rock L4D devs made a brand new game called back4blood
>>722513850Diablo 1 and 2 were good for completely different reasons though. They also both had catastrophically stupid balance, so it's hard to have any confidence in the developers.
>>722513850Well, hope they have fun. If it looks good, I'll play it. These things do not have a history of being good.I'm a little interested in seeing where they wanted to actually go with the series because I feel like it wasn't "remake Diablo 2 till kingdom fucking come", I'm sure they had ideas. 5 mill isn't a lot, though...
Hellgate was assCastaway Entertainment didn't make any fucking videogameswhy would i be hype for this
>>722514162Torchlight 1 and 2 were pretty good and they were made by ex-blizzard north guys right?
>Being "Ex-Blizzard dev" doesn't mean much when there's a history of "Ex-bBizzard devs" coasting on that rep and producing total stinkersBecause games are made by teams, not peopleAnd these boomers keep revealing themselves as coasting hacks
>>722514447pretty sure arenanet and guild wars series is successful
>>722513850>https://moonbeastgame.com/>Sign up for future playtestsWhy not
>>722513850>game being made by ex-devs from X studioThese projects almost always fail. Brian Fargo might be the only who has managed to pull it off.
>>722513850>Article from December 2024
>>722514162>Mythos>TorchlightGreat games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcq03McV69gHuh...
>>722513850If I have learned anything, it's that anything that comes out today is either completely retarded or soulless cash grab to squeeze old brands even dryer than OP's mom's cunt.
>>722514547>HellgateSee >>722514158>Castaway Entertainment didn't make any fucking videogamesThey did, made a spiritual successor to Diablo called Djinn but got screwed by EA in publishing
>>722513850>guild wars>hellgateany other good games by former staff?
>>722515026I agree for the most part, the only reason why there's hope for this is because it's made by OG devs from the 90s that just want to make fun games, and i'm sure there isn't even a single woman on their dev team since it's just 12 people, and not modern nu devs with agendas
>>722513850It's not gonna be more ugly cartoony torchlight shit, is it?
>>722514880Vanillaware started with ex-Atlus Kansai staffers who worked on Princess Crown.Obsidian was founded by Interplay and Black Isle refugees.Kojimbo is obviously having success with the staff he poached from Konami.I hope Kamiya can enjoy the same.
>>722513850>some cool, fresh directionsI bet
>>722513850part of what made those games good is that there wasn't much else aroundso good luck with that
>>722515568More people play Diablo 2 RIGHT NOW than PoE, if that was the case Diablo 2 Resurrected wouldn't have been a commercial success, Blizz said it sold 5 million in its first 6 months of release or something
>>722515004>environment doesn't scale with youits already good
>ARPG designed by an RTS expertI'll stick with Grim Dawn.
>we're going back to what made those early diablo games feel so awesomeyet the item design is completely soulless and lackluster, which instantly proves they have no idea what they're talking about
>>722515949It's time for AI to fix the job :)
>>722513850One word, dummy.Stormgate.
>>722515949>low lvl item for low lvl character in low lvl area>lacklusternever played arpgs?
Diablo 1 was an actual game and not a loot hypnotizer, they're not going to be prepared for the modern landscape
>>722514551It was all right, but a letdown when it was sold to me as another Diablo 2. It's just nowhere close. I understand it's kind of a high bar to clear.
>>722515949Hope that isn't the finalized UI.
>>722516049it's just the same lazy dogshit they did for diablo 3
>>722514162If this new game is at least Torchlight 2 level of fun, that it's better than any diablo-like made in the last decade.
>>722516198yeah its completely soulless
>>722516250i'll ask you again, never played arpgs?
>>722516426>Dude its early game the items are gonna be better later i swearyou dont even understand the problem
>>722516139these guys made diablo 2, people still play diablo 2, more than any other arpg, and it's not f2p
>>722516250Old games weren't good because they obfuscated various stats or provided outright misleading descriptions of what each stat did in the printed manual.
>>722513850They're not. They're just saying that so you'll be a loser and buy without checking and they can make enough money to scarper off.Scamming is the new and improved video game market strategy. Praise Beutiful India.
titan quest 2 is right here
>>722516506no, you don't understand arpgs, these guys do, they made diablo 1 and 2, which literally every. single. arpg. tries to emulate.
>>722514371>core team (minus david brevik the creator) that made diablo 1 and 2That's a yellow flag for me.If it were just Diablo 1 and the team really does understand the appeal of D1 (not 2), there might be some hope. But I fear they'll just make Diablo 2: Again, which is what every Diablo and Diablo-like afterwards copied, with the excessive loot runs and gambling for 0.0001% drop rate trinkets while you cut through more enemies than a Dynasty Warriors game by spamming a single Skill you put all your points into.
>>722513850Neat, but this rarely works out.
>>722516623The team equating D1 and D2 is a red flag in itself. They don't seem to understand that D1 was a fundamentally different game.
>>722516623they are still cool with david, in fact they said they talked about publishing the game with his publishing company
>>722513850This is old news and was teased ages ago. It looks awful
>>722516598>these guys doi dont think they do>they made diablo 1 and 2i've seen like 5 games marketed as "by the guys who made the original diablo!"
"ex-franchise devs" usually means intern who coded menus and studio janitor
Very rarely does "ex developers of an old studio you used to like are making a new game in the spirit of old game you liked" work out.
>>722516803>i've seen like 5 games marketed as "by the guys who made the original diablo!"name them
>>722514579Is everyone a hack?
>>722514880Respawn is the only other one I can think of but they mostly fail
>>722515721They'll probably keep playing D2 no matter what happens, that's what I'm saying
>>722515949Everything everywhere to ever exist is soulless
>>722516139I just think some games can't be made anymore like if the ex devs of Quake made a Quake like game it would most likely bomb due to the current gaming landscape. Same if someone made a not Starcraft RTS game
>>722516598>no, you don't understand arpgs, these guys do, they made diablo 1 and 2, which literally every. single. arpg. tries to emulate.these games were made 25-30 years ago. you cant just bring a bunch of 60 year old men and think that they've kept up to date or even played a single video game since blizzard north went defunct
>>722514069I actually just did a ppaythrouhh of pre-asian takeover of hellgrate. It actually has some exceedingly good itemisation.
>FROM THE MAKERS OF FALLOUT NEW VEGAS...>FROM THE MAKERS OF BANJO-KAZOOIE...>FROM THE MAKERS OF DIABLO I AND II...
>>722517114>these games were made 25-30 years agomodern arpgs being made today try to emulate diablo 1 and 2, just like modern mmorpgs try to emulate world of warcraft from 2003, your point is stupid.
>>722513850>he still thinks that a group of people haven't changed after 30 years passedthat game is never coming out.
>>722517114Those old men don't have an ounce of edge and testosterone left in them. Those who are looking for publicity now and give interviews or film their vlogs are just a sad sight. Most of them regret putting edgy, violent or offensive (by modern standards) things in their old games.
>>722514069If you play it like Diablo 2 instead of as a shooter. It's actually really good. Only issue is enemy variety.
>>722517257>from the producers who saw Shrek
>>722517318im starting to think you're actively trying to shill this game
>>722517114>you cant just bring a bunch of 60 year old men>nooo new video games should only be made by faggots that graduated from: 10 of the most LGBTQ-friendly US universities>video game artists should only Xe/They hired from deviantart, tumblr and AT&TFuck off faggot.
>>722517318Nobody tries to copy Diablo 1. It's much more similar to roguelikes where you act one step at a time, moving slowly and methodically.
>>722517506because that's the only two options you have
>"from the developers that brought you Left 4 Dead comes Back 4 Blood">turns out they weren't developers for Left 4 Dead>also Back 4 Blood was shit
>>722517441>Those old men don't have an ounce of edge and testosterone left in them. Those who are looking for publicity now and give interviews or film their vlogs are just a sad sight. Most of them regret putting edgy, violent or offensive (by modern standards) things in their old games.
>>722517441It really depends. If they have a wife and kids then yea they are going to be much softer but if they are older incels they probably can shit out a decent game still
Why can't old devs of classic games ever actually recapture what made it good? Did they just stumble into it by accident?
>>722517578Yes, that is literally the only two options there is right now, you either have old school white game developers, with those 1-2 token asians that are coders.or just modern faggots.
>>722517506most boomer devs are woke as shit now
>>722513850>>722514069>>722514158You have to remember, that was back when publishers had more power.
>FROM THE GAME DIRECTOR OF DIABLO 2 COMES THE GREATEST GAME TIME>HE WORKED ON DIABLO 2 30 YEARS AGO AND NOW HE'S BACK TO REINVENT GAMING>DID I MENTION HE WORKED ON DIABLO 2? IT WAS 30 YEARS AGO AND HES NOW MAKING ANOTHER GAMEhttps://youtu.be/ieb5Vj7VA_4
>>722517689>nobody ever makes the decision to NOT have kidsthis fucking thread lol
>>722516929Everyone from a large company with jewish leadership/investors
>>722517839keep kidding yourself I guess
play his game. he used to work at blizzard
>>722514158And incredibly sloppy randomization.Literally the blandest, most boring game out there that's built like ass.
>>722517698v>>722517801
>>722517983>100% of people DON'T do <thing> because I said soLMAO
>>722517824>entire custom engine, game, code, art, music, everything created by 1 guyBased
>>722513850Remember when old EverQuest devs made Vanguard: Saga of Heroes? Or when the Mega Man guy made Mighty No. 9? Or when the Resident Evil guy did The Evil Within? Or when John Romero made Daikatana? This always goes well.
>>722517698Yes. They keep failing to identify what made their games attractive, or at best do see which parts are beloved by the fans but they don't understand why would anyone even like those parts. Everything good seems to be driven by a combination of the subconscious, working with the right kind of people, and the cultural environment being saturated with good and inspiring things.
>>722518036This is what cope looks like
>FROM THE MAKERS OFand it's just early-acces UE assets barebones experience for 70 USD
>>722513850I want another game like Diablo 1 with the dark gothic atmosphere and not another teleporting spamming skill nuke clickfest
>>722517824I like indy games but this is way too indy.
>>722518080>old EverQuest devs made Vanguard: Saga of Heroes?
I saw the interview with gameplay and heard a tranny voice so it might be over for that game
>>722518207Just play GTA3 for the dark atmosphere. Also, I live in a mud hut and have never seen a city.
When Sony absorbs Bungie I expect a "from the devs that made Halo" game to spawn only the issue is the devs left at Bungie are all the shit DEI hires now
>we're going back to what made the early Diablo games feel so awesome, and then we're not going to do that.WHAT'S THE FUCKING POINT, THEN!?!?
>>722518221>I like indy games but this is way too indy.more like india game
>>722518140>random newfag buzzword as if I was not already aware of his newfaggotryLearn some basic Statistics and stop embarrassing yourself, newfag nigger.
>>722516395Torchlight 2 is one of the worst ARPGs I ever played.
>>722515405you can name just as many that were complete failures. i guess the label of "___ ex dev" isn't really useful when it's a coin flip if the game will be any good or not
>>722518408>all this constant seething green textkek
>>722518492sure, but you said literally only one guy pulled it off and that is obviously false.
>>722518472Torchlight 1 is even worse, it's like some unfinished early access game.
>>722516198I'd guess it definitely isn't, it's so early on.
Ex Rocksteady devs left to make not one but two different studios so they can work on their underwhelming not Batman game
>>722518617i say a lot of things i can't be expected to be accurate all the time
>>722517698They're all products of their circumstances. If Jeff the Janitor didn't come in some lazy summer afternoon and interrupt them by telling them their prototype looked dumb while he was sweeping the floor, instead of getting Quake you get Daikatana. All those developers who made the games had things going on in their life at the time that influenced how they approached things, and by now all those influences have changed.
>>722518692you can at least be expected not to say retarded shit, or at the very least expect to be called out for it
>>722513850>How did you miss such big news?this dumbfuck board can only in terms of faggot cultural war narratives nowit doesn't care about videogames anymore, never really didits why discord got so popular, that's where we all migrated to
>>722518768no i don't like those terms and won't accept them
>>722518817yeah well i don't like you, too bad.
>>722513850>fresh new directiontranslation: It's going to be shit
>>722518560You will never fit in, little newfag nigger. :(
>>722518862>m...m...maybe if I make him feel shame he will stop postingand you claim I don't understand anon boards lol
>>722515282Guild Wars 1 was amazing you fucking retard. kys
>>722518946Don't punch another hole in the drywall and get raped by Dad again. :\
>it's a game as good as Diablo 2Why not just play Diablo 2 again?
>>722513850>We are doing a hecking RETURN TO FORM, as well as a RETURN TO THE ROOTS, but it will also have that COOL FRESH sauce, ya'know?Retarded faggot marketer speak. But goycattle will go feral over this anyway
>>722519045Keep your projections to yourself
>>722518320That's just Peter Hu.
>>722518707It's fucking incredible how some "people" out there genuinely think that a product will be good as long as previous people worked on it.
>>722513850Diablo 1 and 2 having very little in common. I hope the game they make is more like 1 than 2.
>From some code monkeys who worked on some of the components of...Lul, just let me get my wallet already!
>>722519285>someThis is super common. Almost everyone expects people to remain the same throughout their lives. Mothers are disappointed when their children stop being like their toddler selves. Old friends pretend to be happy about decades later reunions, only to promptly ghost each other. Married couples live in separation or divorce because many years later they realize they're no longer the people they originally fell in love with.
>>722513850>Brevik not on boardfucking why.
>>722519737ZOG locked him up
>>722517114>you cant just bring a bunch of 60 year old men and think that they've kept up to date or even played a single video game since blizzard north went defunctI would expect the game to be better if they hadn't.
>>722519737He is enjoying his time in jail.
need the artist and musician on board.
>>722520117Midjourney and suno.com
>>722513850can't wait for the former devs to be a play tester and art consultant or some shit
>>722513850Every Diablo-like including Diablo. Easily the most overrated genre of gaming.
>>722520620Could be worse. Some of them became UE shills.>wooow we didn't have any of this before>these automation tools let me make a game with a few clicks>why waste time developing from a scratch
I don't understand why being 'ex-Blizzard' carries such a rep when Blizzard has never, ever made a good game
>>722521831WarCraft II is one of the best games ever made
>>722521031>UErent free
>>722519893>>722519784Kek.
>>722521831anything after world of warcraft has sucked, anything before that is legendary game of the year status
>>722522229If they used the engine but modified it according to the project's needs, that would be different. But they're actively promoting using these new frameworks and automation tools that allow amateurs and jeets to shit out badly made garbage.
>>722513850>mfw they use the shitty mythos art style again
>>722513850This is a hair's breadth from "Return To Form", that I fully expect it to be another Stormgate situation where they don't actually know how to make the game the way it was.
>>722513850but i already knew that thoughbeithoweverperchance
>>722513850Needs David Brevik or it doesn't matter.
>>722513850People need a certain passion and drive to create something great usually. Too much success is poison for anyone creating anything. That's why the best media is often made by younger people. There are exceptions 1 in 10 million geniuses but i don't think that they enjoy the modern process.
>>722515949Every arpg all has the same boring ass gear. There will never be any devs who understand why Diablo 2's itemization was so good.....
>>722513850They're finally making a sequel to Torchlight II?
>>722518472Most of diablo clones are just plain bad. Both PoE suck. Titan Quest and its reskin Grim Dawn suck. Wolcen and Last Epoch suck. Diablo after 2 sucks even though I enjoyed 3. Sacred after 1 sucks. Torchlight after 2 sucks.
>>722513850>"but taking them in some cool, fresh directions"It's going to be woke as hell, huh?
>>722523409Fuck i miss marvel heroes.
>>722523452 the first player character they made is a skinny half naked busty witch so i doubt it
>>722514223I agree with you but yeah this is actually a lot of the original devs.when I see games or articles mention this shit I need more context, was it just some faggy intern/QA fag working on "that game" or was it one of the head programmers you know the guys who actually put in the meat and potatoes into the core game.
>>722515949>damage per second>consolelsop ui>quirky chungus flavor text on every fucking itemInto the trash, instantly.
>>722514313if you truly think about it why the fuck would a game need more than that?there's lone fans who make assets and program 10x better than people who get paid 6 figure salaries.just funny how game costs continue to go up yet all the games are looking WORSE, playing WORSE and are shorter than fucking beat em ups on the snes.
>>722515949Just try a little bit of innovation holy shit. There's a million ways to do progression and we go back to this every single time.
As long as we keep being reactive and not proactive, we will always lose the reins of leading culture and its trends.We do not need to go back, we need to go forward while keeping what was so good about the classics.
>>722523649We shall see, man.We shall see.
I enjoyed Torchlight and Torchlight 2 is genuinely one of my favorite games of all timeBut I don't have much faith in whatever this is gonna be
>>722523409NOX WAS FUCKING KINO!!!!!literally was the last actually decent and innovative ARPGeverything else in that shot is garbo though
>>722513850lol. Ex blizzard dev projects dont exactly have a good track record. Just look at Stormgate
>>722513850That Terraria clone by that D1 guy looked so bad
>>722515949everyone witchlol
Diablo 1 was good because it was a new idea, not because it was a good game.
>>722524653For the time, it was a good game, but the genre has since undergone a lot of refinement. If they propose to undo that refinement to appeal to nostalgia, it will fail.
>Diablo 1I wish. The closest you get to that nowadays are random indie games made for co-op, like Barony.
>>722513850>decades later with not all the same people, in the same mindset as when they made the first games and the same valuesMeans literally nothing. I will continue to play games that are actually out and if it doesn't suck ass if and when it comes out, cool.
>loved Titan Quest>loved Grim Dawn>loved Chronicon>loved Svarog's Dream>loved Sacred 1>hated PoE 1>hated PoE 2>hated Last Epoch>hated TorchlightI never played Diablo 1 or 2. Should I play them ? Where do i start ? the diablo 2 remake looks ugly, is vanilla game still playable on modern hardware ?
>>722513850>Fresh, new directionHopefully Soulslike
I'm not gonna speak for D1, since it was just right before I started doing PC gaymingBut what made D2 special was the fact that....it was fucking D2 and it was the year 2000Nobody played anything else.My first few years of PC gaming were basically: Blizzard + Valve, with a little bit of UT and AoE2 sprinkled in.
The idea of the landscape changing and having elemental interactions is cool but when watching the lava tunnel game play I was thinking about what you are supposed to do when the tunnel completely fills with lava? Just walk out and walk back in? Just seems annoying as fucking honestly.
>>722514162>>722514223There's nothing wrong with Hellgate London
>>7225138504.5m is nothing to retards used to big budgetstheir ability to handle money is INCREDIBLY poor, it's poor among the greater majority of even vidya giants10 to 1 they piss it all away and end up having to beg someone else for more
>>722523382>I enjoyed 3opinion disregarded
>>722524310Still the best looking of the classic era ARPGs.Westwood's sprite artists with EA money.
>>722523798>pre-alpha
>>722525190Just don't hire HR, a dozen different consulting agencies or sink it all into hiring shill farms to advertise the game so they can launch early and fix it later. Just make the fucking game with a small team of guys who know what they're doing.Never gonna happen.
>>722523843$4.5 million for a team of 12? they need money funds to hire more people to work on different things separately
>>722515949>ironic flavor textI got cancer
>>722525605>>722523409
>>722513850>the actual devs from Diablo 1 and 2 are making a new ARPGDoubt. There are too many studios doing the "from the creators of" meme. Is it like 1 oldfag and the rest is random millennial dykes?
>>722525190see >>7225234094.5 million for a ~12 person team can cover 2-3 years
>>722526920Plenty of time provided they do away with the modern tendency to decide everything by committee.
>>722515987This but unironically
>>722516598>Metallica made Master of Puppets, therefore their new shit is good
>>722524653It's a great game and still handles well to this day
>>722513850>How did you miss such big news? idk but iwish them the best & i hope they can tap into the magic that made those games legendaryi wonder if Matt Uelman will compose for them again geniuses is what they are IMHOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pep2QaHORBQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nf2y-JF7Rghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgI-zHLQt2c
>>722527149>Fully fleshed out item system which includes most of the goodness of Diablo II, improved by modern ARPG itemization and UX paradigms, and moreThis is incredibly vague and wishy washy nonsense speak, which leads me to assume they don't even know what this even looks like. Not a good sign.
Test
>>722527306these look trash
>>722513850>Diablo 1 and 2 are making a new ARPG>ARPGSo a Soulsbourne game?Or a Skyrim type game?Or a Kingdom Hearts type game?
Imagine the shit deals Microsoft and Sony got by buying those ships of theseus studios
>>722527723I think they're neat
>>722527943context nigga
D1 was shit. D2 was great fight me
>>722527943A diablo-like game you fucking retard
>>722528731loot-crawler with mid point and click gameplay.
>>722528407What do you use to gen these?
>cool fresh directions I didn't read the thread but this means the game will be full LGHDTV+ faggotry and QoL options that are basically just cheat codes?
>>722528878ComfyUI, Flux, an on-grid pixelizer node, a few fantasy art lora's at varying strengths, and lots of nested wildcards to varietymaxx
>>722514551Both were meh
REMAKE HELLGATE
>>722513850But this is Moonbeast right? I literally don’t care about any other. That’s the one Brevik is involved
>>722528731>A diablo-like game you fucking retard>Diablo-like See that's better taxonomy. ARPG means something else.
>>722522968this is what he's doing now https://store.steampowered.com/app/697550/It_Lurks_Below/
>>722529118don't the Koreans own it now?
>>722529434Its pretty obvious that is what is meant from the context of it being the diablo makers making a game like diablo as the article says
>>722529614I DONT GIVE A SHIT I WANT A MODERN HELLGATE REMAKE
>>722524941You can easily pirate classic D2LoD and play it on modern hardware with PlugY. There's a hack to upgrade the aspect ratio from 4:3 to 16:9 as well- though I forget the exact specifics.
>>722513850I don't really care since Diablo 1 didn't match their original design of a turn based static dungeon crawler.
>>722529981And Diablo 1 can be played on anything from modern desktops to phones with DevilutionX.
>>722529950wowee just relax guy, maybe you'd better play a little Diablo 4 to calm the nerves
>>722513850>Fresh directionFuck this shit, give me direction so old its fucking ROTTING. None of this new age ARPG shit. And make it dark. Old school dark fantasy with demons, undead, foreign cultures and fighting against the darkness all over the world. Its that simpleAll the best decisions were already made, just fucking go back and make them again.
>>722530430don't you want floating numbers in the quadrillions exploding out of the mobs along with your mythical loot, bro?!
>>722530416THE FUCK KOREA GONNA DO JUST MAKE IT
Maybe we'll finally get more Diablo1likes
>>722513850Meh. We don't need another retread of Diablo 2. I think the only ARPG niche that hasn't been filled is something with slower/methodical combat against just a one or a few enemies at a time where positioning matters and where loot is few and far between. They won't make that though, they'll make some jerk off game with lots of grinding.>>722530430We already have Diablo 4.
Here's a game made by one of the ex-Blizzard devs btw.
>>722515004It's years away from release, isn't it?
