>the most popular anime in existence>better pacing and storytelling than Narutard and DBShit>last game released nearly 20 years agoWhy. Fucking WHY?
>>722515673Great MC, bad final arc. The best anime overall is still One Piece.
Because YYH is not actually all that popular. HxH eclipsed it in popularity almost immediately, and even at its height it was never as popular as Saint Seiya was or Dragon Ball. Just be happy it actually has some good games. Makyo Toitsusen is an all-time gem.
YYH shat the bed with the last arc and ending and left a stain on the series.
>>722515673It's for the best. The last arc has been largely forgotten, and everyone will always remember the kino that was the Dark Tournament arc instead.
Yu yu hakusho is my favorite anime but it’s definitely not the most popular anime. It’s not even the most popular shonen.
>shitty game:I>shitty game based on naime:O
>>722515805cute
>O my multiple personalities>O my sacred energy>O my magic armor>O my demon blood ancestory>O my gay demon loverThis is what happens when the author has multiple breakdowns, shits in his room playing dragon warrior, and wants to kill himself or write stories about transvestites
>>722515824LM AO
>>722516641not yet
>>722516094Based Urameshi>>722516641That was before he found the saint that it is NaokoThat woman is Angel
>>722516641Chapter Black is pretty good right up until the climax and then the entire series disintegrates. I like Raizen, Yomi, and Mukuro as characters but the way the main characters get roped into their war is extremely contrived. Demon Yusuke is still the stupidest shit Togashi has ever written.
>>722515824>one pieceToo long. Probably all filler with things that have nothing to do with the central plot. Hard pass.
>>722515673It's old and the quality drops significantly after the dark tournament.
>>722515673Botan best girl
>>722515673>most popular anime in existenceby what metric? good doesn't mean popular.
>hxh is still on hiatusI'm starting to get worried
>>722516949Not as dumb as nanika’s wish granting powers
>>722515673most popular? maybe on that pedo island
>>722517039Nah, it introduced new villains that couldn't be defeated with conventional power up bullshit methods you often see in anime like dbz and other shitty shounen. It was a great transition.
>>722516641I’m curious do you genuinely dislike yu yu hakusho or are you trolling? What do you think of hunter x hunter?
>>722517256Yuskei beats the schizo volleyball guy of the following arc specifically because of a bullshit power up
>find out that the third best selling manga is this thing according to wikipedia>absolutely no mentions of it online, never seen any discussions about it or mentionswtf is this? some actual unironic boomer thing?
>>722515805jealous
>>722517190too many DQ remasters on a row
>>722515673>play the SFC game on my SNES in 98>some time later hear the anime is coming to toonami >premise is school punk dies but comes back as an esper with an energy finger gun>starts hunting paranormal entities with his frienemy and two other dudes>seems cool enough>suddenly a fucking tournament arcThat's when an anime jumps the shark for me and my interest evaporates.
>>722517459Golgo is pretty based. Check out the movie Golgo 13: The Professional.
>>722515673It had the best tournament ArcI was actually scared of that buff nigga
>>722517459Golgo13 is literally Fleming's OG 007 in the books, not the movie Bond.
>>722516949Togashi stopped giving a shit about YYH sometime during the latter half of Chapter Black. I'm pretty sure the last arc only happened because his editors demanded more and he had to crash the whole thing down somehow.
>>722517605why does japan love tournaments so much
>>722517681Togashi makes me respect oda and >pic the more i hear from him.
>>722517723DB made them ubiquitous for all shonen that came after it.
>>722517353What about that post feels like trolling? Diehard YYH fans are the ones that tend to react the hardest to it falling off a fucking cliff. Togashi's self-destruction is well-documented. It was so bad he apologized for it in a doujinshi.
>>722517723it just works
>>722517723probably because it's incredibly easy to create more content that way without having to actually write any kind of story.
>>722517459>some actual unironic boomer thing?Extremely so, i was checking out Jetter Mars out of nostalgia the other day and found a reference to it.
>>722517631Sorry, I only used 10% of my power, it wasn't 100% at all.
>>722516739POOP IS COMING OUT OF YOUR ASSTHE LAST CHAPTER WAS JUST SCRIBBLES WITH A ROTISSERIE CHICKEN ON IT
>>722517723Easy way to make multiple characters fight each other
>>722517605it's THE tournament arc goateveryone just copies from itno it wasn't the creator of tournament arc, but still
>>722517723You don't need to come up with a plot, you can re-use the location and so onIt only get lazier when it becomes a school setting too
Does it actually hold up? I remember watching the dub on some weird kids channel on cable when I was a kid and I thought it was cool he has gun powers. Literally the only thing I remember about it.Is it not slow and 90% character drama like all the anime from the 90's was?
>>722517459>he doesn't know Duke Togo is Sean Connery James Bond but as an emotionally detached super-assassin capable of the most insane trickshots the world has ever seenhe was basically the direct inspiration for Agent 47 and Sam Fisher. Golgo The Professional is a classic and one of the very first anime to ever use CGI. The shitty ass double-digit-polygon helicopter fight sequence from the mid '80s that looks liek a Sega arcade game from 1992 is absolute cringe cinema. rest of they movie is pretty good albeit kind of artsy and noir so it's tricky to follow.
>>722518019Every single guy had to fight tooth and nail unlike other tournament arcs with 2 good fights while rest of em bring a joke.Also a banger opening song
>>722517890>he apologized for it in a doujinshi.sauce?
>>722518216Finish the tournament Arc It's actually fantastic.And early episodes were also pretty funny.
Chapter black has both the most kino and the most cringe parts of the series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt9-2S3I3MY
>>722515805More of these two would always be a good thing
>>722515673Because it ended before most people on this board were born.
>>722517459the top of the charts in almost any entertainment medium gets really fucking weird and random when asia is included because there's just too fucking many asians and they mess the averages up. If some village in china has a population of 500 million and only has access to Ching Chang: The Movie 2, it breaks box office records when nobody else has even fucking heard of it.
URAMESHI
>>722518438Memes aside, Sabat is one of the best voice actors of all time. Same category as Tom Kenny and Billy West.
In the anime for whatever reason they drew him with armpit hair Idk why but i just remembered that.
>>722518019>its toguro>but he sounds like rambo
>>722518132>it's THE tournament arc goatThe Dragon Ball budokai tournaments were the best in my opinion, not even the entirety of DBZ could top them. That's the reason i can't stand tournament arcs anymore, it's all derivative.
>>722515673>Running in a crowd>In a faceless town>I need to feel the touch of a friend>In the countryside>I wander far and wide>The isolation gets me again
>>722518313Yoshirin de Pon.
>>722518216The manga does. I'm guessing the anime pacing is a little sluggish these days. The second movie is underrated, though. It's on par with almost anything Toei ever did with its DBZ films.
>>722518819>it's derivativeThat's the main issue, tournament arcs are basically 1:1 dragon ball references. MHA and One Punch Man come to mind, what's the fucking point other than they needed a bunch of filler?
Has anyone watched Perfect Blue? I got to see the rerelease on Friday
I actually loved chapter black and three kings arcs. I liked that yusuke ended up with keiko because she’s a gorgeous waifu. Togashi gave me what I wanted.
>>722518263Kengan Ashura had a fantastic tournamentIt's so good that the sequel being as bad as it is makes me seethe to this day
>>722516641lol i completely memoryholed this character because it was so retardedwow
>>722515673I really liked the first chapters when the protagonist was a ghost or something similar. Felt more magical than the rest of the manga.
Why did she do it bros?
Um actually the demons never did anything wrong and rates of human on demon crime are higher than rates of demon on human crime. That's why we need open borders with Makai (but only so demons can go to the human world, humans still can't go to the demon world).
>>722519813Justified on the grounds that demon women owe human men sex.
>>722518967>what's the fucking point other than they needed a bunch of filler?Because Dragon Ball did it and left an everlasting impression in mangakas to this day, problem is DB did it while the dragon balls were on cooldown as means to develop the characters, everyone else does it because it's a staple.
>>722519813The manga version of the Three Kings arc has to be one of the most retarded things ever written. How the fuck did he get away with it?
>>722519069Is Black Swan but better and without natalie portman
>>722516094You should hit them TWICE AS HARD if you discover that they're actually a woman.Equal rights, equal lefts.
>>722515673Like all good stories, it had an ending. The manga ended, the anime ended, and so the video games ended. I wouldn't mind seeing a Kunio-kun style Yu Yu Hakusho game, but I'm not expecting anything while the manga and the anime are long done.And these days, a reboot or continuation is just asking for a disaster.
>>722521124>eyes filled with white hot rageWhat led to this turn of events?
>>722520749>Completely derail the arc to have a tournament>Pull dozens of characters out of your ass and make a bigass bracket>Get bored literally two chapters later and say the entire tournament happened off-screen
>>722515673Literally who and what?
>>722521354Hypnotized his sister and she almost killed everyone.
Kuwabara is the best
>>722515673Time to pick up a new anime series, grandpa.
>>722515673>no one's posted ithttps://youtu.be/uoiHS_tBk-k?si=-Zktp6qWmo5oOIPu
>>722521176Togashi is a fag?
>>722522174The Japanese is better, but it's still cool that they went out of their way to preserve the original opening.
>>722522174>dub
>>722522630>>722522659I don't speak Nipponese though.
>>722517459Beside the manga (which has also been published in English with different anthologies) he has something like 2 live action movies with Takakura Ken and Sonny Chiba, a 50 episodes anime series, an anime movie and an OVA series, and they've all been released on home video in the states too.He's actually decently famous in the west, there's way more obscure that's super popular in Japan.
>>722515673>better pacing and storytelling than Narutard and DBShitThe story is literally just a bunch of half-finished arcs that culminates in yet another unfinished arc. Same as HxH really. At least HxH has the Cell saga arc, that one actually has an ending and feels like it was planned
>>722522068This show is a direct upgrade over YYH, most of the concepts are the same but without the archaic need to fill out timeslots with pointless banter.I love both shows but pretending 90's and early 2000's anime wasn't too slow and mostly useless time-wasting is weapons-grade nostalgiafagging.
>>722515824>One Piece of Shit
>>722523206Jojo is the best example of this, there's more character development in one episode of battle tendency than there is in half of part 1.If you want to watch two niggas talking for 15 hours buy a playstation.
>>722515673Yu yu hakusho popularity pales in comparison to other shonen series. It's not even Top 30 in terms of sales. Also most shonen series hardly gets more than 3 games.Unfortunately, Sheiusha has no faith a Yu Yu Hakusho game would sell well.
>>722515673>the most popular anime in existenceNo one under the age of 30 knows or cares about this show.
>>722522068I'm convinced the hype behind this series is a psyop conducted during kung flu. It's the most empty first volume of a series I ever read in my life. Kagurabachi too.
>>722515673YYH is forever cursed by the messy, retard tier cancellation that the publisher forced on the manga. Fuck anything related to it forever!
>>722515824way waaay too long
>>722517723Easy way to introduce lots of new characters at once. That's why Naruto's editors made Kishimoto do a tournament instead of having Team 7 go on more missions together like he originally planned.
>>722523694Are you talking about the manga? I don't read manga but I thought the first season of the anime had almost perfect pacing. The training arc was a little bit drawn out but other than that I didn't think it wasted any time really.
>>722523491>If you want to watch two niggas talking for 15 hours buy a playstation.
>>722523491>forgettable vapid ADHD "aura farming" slop is... le good!
>>722515673Not everything needs a game you faggot
>>722518819Literally everything ever made is derivative
>>722523206Demon Slayer is aping Bleach, not YYH
>>722522225What do you think?
>>722523694The movie came out during the flu and that had a great fight in it. Kagurabachi got good like 80 chapters in
>>722518216Yu Yu Hakusho is better paced as an anime then something like Dragonball, but typically for any series the manga is the best source for things.In the later half of the series the creator injured his spine and was in constant pain which drove him to depression, so the latter part of the Chapter Black arc does get kind of wonky along with the final arc. But overall it's still a good series, with the Dark Tournament standing out as probably still the best tournament arc in any manga or anime.
>>722517723Shounens are all about the fights and the set ups.
>>722519126woke shit
>>722524328he is literally married to the creator of Sailor Moon thoughthere was a little comic she detailed where she learned one of a "man's secrets"(pulling their foreskin back) in a hot spring together, characterized by her little bunny and his dog avatarconsidering his waifu made some of the most recognized lesbians in manga and he's kind of an emotional guy himself it's not really surprising he keeps an open mind and includes literal fags in his serieswouldn't be SURPRISED if they both had obvious bisexual leanings they shared with one another tho
>>722518819>>722518967Was Dragon Ball the first one or was it Saint Seiya? Seiya was published one year later than DB, but it starts right off with a tourney so it may have had the lead
>>722525018yeah. Also, the baby dude who's the son of the other dude who reigns in heaven appears dressed as that dude from Sailor Moon from the meme "my job here is done!" in one chapter
>>722522068this, mha, and that other show killed shounen
how's the Kenshin remake? have they gone past Shishio already?
>>722525018Imo if a guy faps to other guys at least once, then he's a little bit gay. And Togashi has definitely fapped to his homo characters.
>>722517190isnt the authors back fucked
It's a damn shame the anime cut the ghost arc extremely short. I liked when Yusuke was just dicking around helping random people out while he was a ghost.Botan best waifu
>>722525375How?
>>722521176She cute.
The GBA game was pretty fun, even if the graphics were absolutely dogshit.
>>722525442worse than the originalno
>>722523834The show is also carried heavily by the visuals.
>>722522068This show is such unmemorable dogshit. Bad fights, bad power system, bland characters, generic setting and no interesting story or themes. All it has is animation quality which isn't even that good and is wasted on shitty "fights" that mostly consist of "I make one really really really strong and fast slice with a different color than yours in slowmotion and now you are dead" over and over again.
>>722525621The first 5 or so episodes before yusuke becomes a spirit detective and has to get his body back could have been a stand alone movie.
>>722515673Nobody knows what this is I don’t even know just make the dandadan game that’s what the people want now
>>722525937Thats pretty good for the GBA.
>>722515673I agree. The fights were cool and the main character had a girlfriend.I liked all the dudes at the end.
>>722516094Based ad fuck.
>>722525621Yeah, that's probably the biggest flaw of the anime and a reason to check out the manga instead.
>>722515805Have this
>>722517723Easy way to setup a lot of fights in a short amount of time. Araki will always be based for never doing one.
>>722525592Yes, but it doesn't excuse the fact that Togashi refuses to hire assistant artist.
I hope when I die, I get a grim reaper like this
>>722526508Boss Rush=Tournament Arc, they're the same plot device used for the same purpose.Part 4 was even worse than a boss rush because you had to sit through all the characters babbling to get to the good stuff.
>>722525630only popular while they were on TVeasily forgettable
>>722515673Series was shit because the the main character won his first tournament ENTIRELY on ass pulls.>Wins his first match in total darkness because old hag leaves her lit cigarette in the arena and he was able to plant it on his opponent without it going out >Wins second match because he falls into the swamp trying to dodge some homing energy disks and it looks like he teleports, and then the homing energy disk hit his opponent. >Wins his third match because he gets moss stuck in his ears and his opponents spells boomerang back to him if his target can't ear them.Even Dragonballs Power level shit was more tolerable than this.
>>722515673>better pacing and storytelling than Narutard and DBShitLmao Togashi cultists really believe this.
>>722521365>sasugaさすが indeed
>>722523206anxiety-filled zoomer takeyour shit only looks good because its cotemporary CG filled low tier badly animated trash they now produce tries to milk a single chapter into an entire episode, so the average show is slow as molasses, with bland backgrounds, and minimalistic scenes
>>722527018The cigarette thing was a clever workaround to night fighting, remember his opponent was using a helmet that was basically night vision googles.The other two were definitely bullshit though. But just like Dragonball Yu Yu Hakusho is an action comedy, that starts out more comedic and gets more serious as it goes on. So Yusuke winning early fights with no emotional weight through comedic shenanigans is fine for me. When there's actually emotional weight like the Hiei or Kurama encounters then there's more serious resolutions.
>>722525959I recently read the Kenshin manga for the first time and thought it was sort of awful
>>722526534he should at least hire someone to train, like miura did, or BLAME guy trained Hayashida Q
>>722517723middle school competition events, the ultimate culmination of extracurricular club activities both in sports and in academics, generally conclude in a prefectural and then a national tournament. placing in these tournaments is very often the difference between acceptance to a high grade preparatory academy or being forced to settle for plebschool where you learn to be a salaryworker for a black company that forces you to do 80 hours of unpaid overtime every month.
>>722526624No, a tournament is used to introduce new characters or have characters that wouldn't usually fight each other so so
>>722527005Nigga I don't see any fucking Yu Yu Hakusho T-shirts at my local mall, but I see a fuckload of MHA and Demon Slayer
>>722526624Monster of the Week in manga form is kinda bad, specially if you're hyped to believe it isn't the type of story. some guys outright disappear, and Okuyasu is a poor man's Kuwabara
>>722515673I've never read it, but considering it's written by Togashi, the same guy who wrote 'yeah this mc's special power is that he masters all powers when he's angry', I can guarantee you it's fucking dogshit and you're either nostalgiafagging or just severely mentally handicapped. Possibly both.
>>722515673>>the most popular anime in existence>Yu Yu HakushoNo it isn't. Also Hunter x Hunter is trash and nobody knows about it.
>>722515805I got one of those.
>>722527321The shonen parts were very by-the-book but I liked the historical fiction parts. And I think it's cool to have a moralfag MC who actually earned being a moralfag by killing a bunch of people before the story started.
>>722526624>Part 4 was even worse than a boss rush because you had to sit through all the characters babbling to get to the good stuffYou say that like Pearl Jam isnt one of the best arcs in the series.
>>722528031>>722515805i really should finish watching this series
>>722528030if only you knew how embarrassing the HxH rabbithole goes
>>722528113Just watch the 2 minutes of good animation and spare yourself from Togashi's writing and 5 hours of George the Ogre
>>722528084>The shonen parts were very by-the-bookYeah this is my main issue although I thought the giant robot and lost-long brother or something were extremely stupid, but the anime massively improve the fight scenes I think
>>722515673>YYH>most popular anime in existence>even less popular than HxH, which already middling in terms of popularityLolIt's outright niche at this pointit's certainly not top 10 and probably not even top 20
>>722517459Golgo 13 just isnt talked about that much, because there really isnt much to talk about.Its a cool series with gigachad Duke Togo thats just written well.
>>722526508JoJo is peak battle shounen
>>722528386>expecting me to care about "people" who think hero academia is peak anime
For anyone who hasn't seen it, Yu Yu Hakusho starts a high school delinquent punk who surprises everyone when he sacrifices his own life to save a little kid. The powers that be decide to give him a second chance at life and he becomes a shonen protagonist fighting demons and stuff. The Dark Tournament arc is still probably the best tournament arc in anything, and even though the subsequent arcs fall apart a bit they still have some good characters and themes.The creator did romantic comedy manga before this so there's better character development and such then most generic shonen stuff.It's not a long series so it's worth checking out if you're looking for something and haven't seen it yet.
>>722527627It's only because it's the current popular anime. When the next fotm anime takes it's place it'll become irrelevant.
>>722528574mha is fucking dogshit and I'd put good money on it being better than YYH
>>722522068I hope the DBZ clone fad dies with this generation.
>>722528660>judging something without ever watching it Wow, what a retard.
>>722517459> that time his target was a violin stringmad man actually pulled it off too
>>722528678demon slayer is literally nothing like DBZdbz had story (at least during DB and DBZ, no idea about the milking garbage that came after that)demon slayer is literally just 'here's some random demons, oh, now they're dead, here's a quick 5 minute flashback with their whole backstory right as they die' over and overi'm not even exaggerating, that's the entire mangathere's no real power systems, no scaling, no worldbuilding, and the characters are all completely singular tropes with 0 growth, depth or changethe best part is, the manga's art is absolutely horrendous so they can't even use the excuse that the anime watchers use, which is 'but it's well animated!!'
>>722515673>dude the power of love and friendship xDDDShit
>>722528720If you read one book by an author that was a complete turd, would you go and another one by the same author?No, you'd (rightfully) assume it was shitBut if you want to constantly eat shit just on the small chance an author might do a random 180 and become good then by all means
>>722528113Eh, it kind of ends on a weak note. The actual ending is pretty nice, but YYH got way too involved in the tournament arcs and it just took over the whole series.The tournament announcers weren't really present that much and didn't do anything. You've be better just looking up fanart.
>>722525226Neither, really. Sports manga already established the tournament trope, naturally.
>>722528907You sound upset :^}
>>722528386>HxH>middlingIt's extremely popular.
>>722529140That's a great fight! A good example of how the series kept all the fights different and interesting.
>>722528539Part 1 was mid, part 2 is the best, part 3 was kinda bad with its episodic formula but was carried by the camaraderie of its characters, part 4 is the second best and the rest are shit.
Are there manga and anime that are well and truly aimed at 25-and-ups or is it really just that most 25-year-old mangaka are making manga for 6-24-year-olds by that point?
>>722525375Shonen is still going strong.
>>722515673It's not that good. Togashi admitted he didn't know how to draw action and it shows. Much of the series is bogged down in romance and comedy gags. The series starts off feeling like a paranormal romcom and then it turns into a battle shounen out of nowhere, but it's very barebones and the storytelling is frenetic; it feels like Togashi felt forced to make a Dragon Ball knockoff. The series doesn't actually get interesting until the Dark Tournament, but it's still nothing special. Chapter Black started off great but then at the end Togashi drops a dozen bombshells all at once which completely change the story and ends it in an unsatisfying way. Then the Three Kings wasn't even a full arc. It's a build-up to a tournament that then gets told in a montage and it ends with a big chungus winning the whole thing and the revelation that "le immigrants are actually good!" because Togashi is a left wing crackpot. So it has maybe one and a half good arcs in it.It has no consistent power system and power systems are the best part of a battle shounen, so calling it a battle shounen at all tastes bad. Togashi remedies this with Hunter x Hunter, which probably has the best power system. Hunter x Hunter is basically just a continuation of YuYu Hakusho anyways. The main protagonists in HxH start off with goals which mirror the goals of the main protagonists of YYH (MC wants to find his dad, big dumbass wants to go to college, edgelord wants to protect his sister but in HxH he doesn't realize it yet because he's being brainwashed). The only one that's different is Kurama and Kurapika. Kurama is actually Kite in HxH. Kurapika is Sasuke.The only thing YYH has that's better than HxH is the art and the girls. YYH can be really gritty, it was the early 90s so it has that smelly grunge aesthetic sometimes which HxH only has once in a hundred chapters, but it's really unique for shounen and makes the violence feel more visceral (Elder Toguro is a walking creepypasta).
>>722529359Yes, it's called seinen and joseiShonen is for boysShojo is for girlsSeinen is for adult menJosei is for adult women
YYH had one flaw, desperately needed more Botan on screen
>>722529140did he and the catgirl fuck?
>>722528678DBZ clones died in the 2000s.
>>722515673Japanese games just suck
>>722529367>It has no consistent power system and power systems are the best part of a battle shounenNeither does Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball is about as good as it gets. Ditto for Hokuto no Ken and the Kinnikuman revival. Or even JoJo. It's a comic book, not a video game. Power systems are whatever.
>>722529364one piece is the only shounen in that list and for some reason that appeals the most to zoomers (maybe because its the most shounen-lite)
MHA is at least unique for combining two different genres (the eastern battle shonen genre and the western superhero genre)
>>722529768Literally all of them are shonen because they're published in Weekly Shonen Jump.
>>722529467Seinen is 18-25, though, no? Specifically young men.
>>722515805This fucking fox turned me furry way before i knew what internet was.
>>722529758How the powers work is an important part of any battle shonen.
>>722529027That is fair enough.
>>722529858they're nu-shounen
>>722529758>Neither does Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball is about as good as it getsDragon Ball blows. No one with a triple digit IQ likes that shit.>Ditto for Hokuto no Ken and the Kinnikuman revivalNo one under 50 likes those. Also, those are hardly battle shounen.>Or even JoJoJJBA is great because it has an awesome power system. Everyone loves Stands. Hamon is garbage.>>722529292>the rest are shit.No, SBR is the best.
>>722529359You have to remember that manga is published in magazines. Even the shonen magazines have an older readership and the publishers all know this; it's obviously not just 14 year olds reading One Piece. Likewise, seinen magazines publish stuff that's very 20-year-old retard shitposter-friendly, but you'll also find guys like Taniguchi Jiro published in them. Some magazines cater to a more artsy/literary crowd than others.
>>722530246You know fuck-all. It's almost impressive.
>>722529359The editor has to read the whole thing and approve it, age isn't a problem.
>>722517723other anons are right that replied but Ive honestly thought about this a lot and determined its because they love everything to be HIGHLY organized and structured and logical so even if its deadly combat and fighting it has to have a strict hierarchal order so when the main character fights his antagonist its literally represented by a hierarchy of order they had to work through so their determined and appointed fighitng time would occcur. Not just spontaneously like a street fight, it needs rules and a judge and an audience, thats how Japanese people do things irl and they want their action stories to reflect it.
>>722515805HOLY fucking S O V L
>>722529869Your parents must be disappointed.
>>722529364Other than One Piece (which is a relic of the previous era) all of those are completely forgettable and soulless.
>>722516094Tranny annihilator.
>>722517723High testosterone + structured organized approach
>>722518313
>>722516094Reading YYH wiki comments was something
>>722517849You're an idiot.>>722517723Tournaments in battle manga are just an extension of Japan's sports obsession. The big sports in shounen manga were soccer, baseball, and forms of martial arts (anything from karate to boxing).The formative battle manga for establishing tournaments as a trend were Kinnikuman and Ring ni Kakero, but again, that's just derived from earlier sports manga having big tournaments.
>>722515673yuyu hakusho past the first part is garbage what the fuck are you talking about?>muh tournament arc followed by tournament arc followed by tournament arc
>>722517190He started drawing new chapters like a month ago. It's probably coming back sooner rather than later
>>722517849kinnikuman was first
>>722516641He wasn’t gay but female side say otherwise.
>>722515862Saint Seiya had too few games for such an insanely popular anime.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Saint_Seiya_video_games
>>722517459Generally the top selling manga will be more reflective of Japan than the rest of the world.Here they are for people interested, I'll leave an ones with arguable international success (as manga, not anime) as plain text.One Piece - 516.6 million>Doraemon - 300 million>Golgo 13 - 300 million>Detective Conan - 270 millionDragon Ball - 260 millionNaruto - 250 millionDemon Slayer - 220 million>Slam Dunk - 185 million>KochiKame - 157.2 million>Crayon Shin-chan - 148 millionAttack on Titan - 140 million>Oishinbo - 135 millionBleach - 130 million>JoJo's Bizarre Adventure - 120 million>Kingdom - 110 millionAstro Boy - 100 million>Baki The Grappler - 100 million>Fist of the North Star - 100 million>Hajime no Ippo - 100 millionJujutsu Kaisen - 100 million>Kindaichi Case Files - 100 millionMy Hero Academia - 100 million>Touch - 100 millionOf these, we have:13 Shounen Battle/Action Manga2 Shounen Sports Manga2 Shounen Detective manga1 Shounen Comedy manga1 Kodomo manga4 Seinen mangaI imagine most people here wouldn't even be able to guess what the seinen in this list are.
>>722517353HxH was meh series
>>722516808Naoko rip off Seiya and Silent Mobius
>>722529140¿Duelo a muerte con cuchillos?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjMM1EzyKPs
>>722531682Kingdom is an honorary battle shounen
>>722525959Every piece of RRK media I've seen pales in comparison to the original TV series (until the Kyoto arc) it's like they were trying to make them bad in purpose.
>>722525018Naoko said a million times that Uranus is a Pansexual freak who has sex with anything that resembles a dick, only Neptune is FOTM lesbo because it was a trend in japan.>>722531839Silent mobius never took off and it was censored as fuck, even the robocop chick's first "death" was censored in the anime. Saint Seiya was always fujo gay shit which only shitzillians loves it
It was absolute kino up until the end of the dark tournament arc. Then its a downward trajectory.
>>722518819Tournament arcs are my guilty pleasure. In vidya as well.
>>722517459Golgo 13: The Professional is an amazing 80s action movie.He also probably inspired agent 47.He has a really difficult NES game too.And a great cock too (canonically)
>>722532335RRK prequel ova is goat though, but it does have very different feel from tv so i can see why someone who came from tv would shit on it.
>>722517723Asians love hierarachy + you can have weird matchups without having to come up with a why.>what if all of the main characters went to one location and beat each other up
>>722515824One Piece is almost a masterpiece, but every now and then there's some dumb shit that keeps it as a 9/10 mainly when its obvious that Oda changed his mind on where he wants characters to be and asspulls an excuse.Its certainly an epic though.
>>722515673I checked this out coz i'm a 45 year old boomer and huge fan of 80s/90s anime...Turns out it's another generic "battle tournament shounen" and is utterly generic.You guys really need to watch more anime.
>>722530246tell how do I know your age
>>722532679I really liked the start of last ark. It is weak overall though, but all the build up and how it bluntly drops that Yusuke doesn't belong with humans anymore was something that no shounen had balls to pull before or since.
>>722517723Because tournaments are kino. I will never get how people dislike them.
>>722515673>Jump Force was probably the last game a YYH character appeared inlol
>>722530246>No one under 50 likes those. Also, those are hardly battle shounenI like HnK, and not only is it a battle shounen but it's the literal grandpa who's influence is in everything from DBZ to FMA to HxH and whatever else. It just stays unique with the more realistic leaning artstyle and the mishmash of wuxia with 80s action flairs and soap opera going on in the story.Such a shame the new anime will be a trainwreck.
>>722517459We can't talk about about a manga about a dude who regularly gets laid, that's offensive to Otakus
I really fucking loved those two propesterous SNES games where you fight like it's actual anime cutscenes.I wish that became a genre.I never got very good at it because I couldn't figure out the differences between the normal melee attacks. But I could recognize a very high skill ceiling.
>>722516808Isn't Naoko an unseffurable seething bitch?w
>>722533751Also Raoh mogs a huge swathe of WSJ antagonists that clearly want to emulate him or aspects of him.
>>722525959Saito was hard as fuck in Rise of the Ronin
>>722515805>>722526459>>722528031What I like is they commit to Animal Ears. I hate this modern thing in anime/games where a animal girl will have animal ears but also human ears.
>>722530246>Also, those are hardly battle shounen.Kinnikuman is up for debate but how the fuck could HNK be considered anything but a battle shounen?
>>722517459It's seinen, adult manga don't get as much marketing
>>722533221One Piece died with Wano
>>722525018You say that like some married men don't have bisexual tendencies
>>722516987The central plot is a journey around the world, so by your definition there is no filler.
>>722534241It actually predates seinen as a demographic, it's Gekiga- adult manga, and was one of the pioneers in more adult oriented comics.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7gooc3gBHU
>>722531682And to expand on this list, I'd like to first point out that battle manga often have the highest sales due to their sheer length. Of the battle manga there, 4 have over 100 volumes, and all but 5 exceed 40 volumes. The shorted one in there is Astro Boy, at 23 volumes, which is still long for a manga (in weekly Jump terms, that's roughly 230-250 chapters, or five~ years of serialization).Here is the deeper parts of the list, if I don't use a demographic name, it's shounenCaptain Tsubasa - 90 million (big in Mexico) (Sports/Soccer)>Sazae-san - 86 million (Kodomo)>Kinnikuman - 85 million (Shounen Battle)Hunter x Hunter - 84 million (Shounen Battle)>Vagabond - 82 million (Seinen)Fullmetal Alchemist - 80 million (Shounen Battle)>Sangokushi - 80 million (Historical/Chinese)>Tokyo Revengers - 80 million (big elsewhere, but is manga sales are 99% just Japan) (Shounen Battle + Delinquent)>Gintama - 73 million (Shounen Battle + Comedy)Fairy Tail - 72 million (Shounen Battle) Rurouni Kenshin - 72 million (Shounen Battle)Berserk - 70 million (Seinen)Haikyu!! - 70 million (Sports/Volleyball)>Major - 66.66 million (Sports/Baseball)>Boys Over Flowers - 61 million (Shoujo)>The Prince of Tennis - 60million (Sports/Tennis)>Rokudenashi Blues - 60 million (Sports/Boxing + Delinquent)>Initial D - 56 million (Sports/Racing)>Reincarnated As A Slime - 56 million (Isekai)>Bad Boys - 55 million (Delinquent))>H2 - 55 million (Sports/Baseball)>Ranma 1/2 - 55 million (Shounen Battle + Romcom)Seven Deadly Sins - 55 million (Shounen Battle)>Shura no Mon - 55 million (Shounen Battle)>Minami no Teio - 53 million (Shounen Battle(?) + Delinquent(Kinda))>Super Radical Gag Family - 51 million (Comedy)50 million for all belowBlue Lock (Sports/Soccer)>City Hunter (Shounen Action)>Cobra (Shounen Comedy)>Devilman (Shounen Battle)>Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken (Shounen Battle)>Fisherman Sanpei (Sports/Fishing)>Glass Mask (Shojo + Longest Hiatus Ever)
>>722533940Nope, she is just Memetic 80's Kitty Pryde and Blossom into one individual>>722533751>>722533942The anime carried him hard too, Seiyuu and everythinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_9l06qBBwkAlso the remake OVA's had fucking Yujiro Hamma and Blackbeard and now fucking Strong the Budo as Souther https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiIDWMf1_ag>>722534113Kinnikuman is literally the Father of everything.it put many Seiyuu's in the map, Kinnikuman got his own holiday that is celebrated til this day, made Gyudon a fever.Made the little rubber toys a fever worldwide and still known til this day, the late Hulk Hogan was a Fan because He is fucking Neptuneman and Quarrelman and people prefers the OG more than Ultimate Muscle/Kinnikuman Nisei.Also all of the 3d Era Kinnikuman games are stupidly good, Galactic Wrestling is some good shit.
>>722516641And somehow still better than every Wan Piss villain
>>722534995>Then I will fight god himself!Always chills.
Kinnikuman always had the best materialEven the fap material >pic and memeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtRowFIcTEU
>>722517723it settles powerlevel arguments
>>722529292Part 3 had its flaws but DIO'S World is easily top 10 fights in any WSJ series
>>722516949>Demon Yusuke is still the stupidest shit Togashi has ever written.Omega filtered. It was cool and a good segway into the final arc.
>>722528539Jojo stopped being a shonen a long time ago
>>722529364>Weekly Shonen JumpThe majority of the current lineup is dogshit. The only ongoing series that don't suck are One Piece and Kagurabachi.
>>722530246>Dragon Ball blows. No one with a triple digit IQ likes that shit.Araki's favourite manga is quite literally Dragon Ball.>No one under 50 likes those. Also, those are hardly battle shounen.Kinnikuman is the second half of the groundwork that would become battle manga (the first half being Ring ni Kakero). It has power levels, tournament arcs, melodrama, basically all the meat and potatoes of most battle manga.Hoktuo no Ken is, well, I really don't know how you would consider it to NOT be a battle manga. >JJBA is great because it has an awesome power system. Everyone loves Stands. Hamon is garbage.I think you're a pseud.
>>722529939>How the powers work is an important part of any battle shonen.This is modern database shit. The most popular battle manga of the before-times didn't put much stock in power/magic systems. Dragon Ball, Kinnikuman, Ring ni Kakero (later Saint Seiya), Hokuto no Ken, etc., all have absurdly bullshit powers that have no real mechanical explanations beyond rule of cool. Kinnikuman literally has an ability that lets him auto win fights.
>>722533301I'm 37.>>722533751>>722534113I think of battle shounen as being synonymous with Dragon Ball clones, so I feel like HnK is on the perimeter. It's just martial arts that makes people explode. There's no universal magic system like chi or chakra or nen. I don't consider FMA battle shounen.When people talk about battle shounen, they're talking about the Big 3, the new zoomer 3, Hunter x Hunter, Dragon Ball and JJBA. A manga about muscle men wrestling is not exactly the same...
Fox and fish sexo
>>722536286>It has power levels, tournament arcs, melodrama, basically all the meat and potatoes of most battle manga.>Hoktuo no Ken is, well, I really don't know how you would consider it to NOT be a battle manga.They are manga about fighting and they are written for young boys. That's not enough. It's a completely different kind of manga.>I think you're a pseud.Show me your online IQ test scores!
>>722530962People have said this about every "era" of Jump retard.
>>722536397FMA has alchemy as its power system, it's a battle shonen
>>722536386Yeah this. I love Stands because its an easy way for Araki to do whatever the fuck he wants.
>>722523694The reason it got so big was because the anime came out when there was nothing else new grabbing people at the time and it had great animation.
>>722515673i'd only be interested in a game with the english dub cast and most of them are too old and don't sound like the characters anymore so it's too late
>>722517459there's a pretty good arcade game for it
>>722536152I don't really like seeing Yusuke with that long demon hair. His original design is so basic and yet so iconic.
>>722536397>It's just martial arts that makes people explode. There's no universal magic system like chi or chakra or nen.Chi is something Dragon Ball inserted as a 'power system' in its final arc. In effect, "chi" was identical to Hokuto no Ken's auras and special abilities. A fair chunk of DB's fighters were basically just doing HnK bits, like General Blue's telekinetic abilities. Not counting FMA is also contradictory to what you just said, as it's a manga for young boys, about battles, with a set universal magic system that informs those battles.>A manga about muscle men wrestling is not exactly the same...If you actually read manga instead of just vaguely talking about shit you quickly looked at the wikipedia page for, you'd know that Kinnikuman introduced foundational concepts for battle manga, and in doing so laid the groundwork for the subset of unique ability manga that JoJo's stands would be a part of. Most Kinnikuman fights are just stand battles but the stands are choujin.
>>722522225He seems to be a hibari-kun fan
>>722516949I agree with you>Ackshually Yusuke is le strong chosen one son from the strongest demon evaaahhThen they setup another fucking tournament and Togashi just didn't bother to draw it because of muh back, I'm 200% sure HxH will be disappointing as fuck when it finally ends
>>722536397Chi (touki) is literally in HnK and there's a few beam attacks, the system is just way more styled like it was wuxia, narratively too, which is a huge part of its inspirationThere are martial arts schools that warp space, attack with air slices and disintegrate to the cellular level with attacks that are basically lightDragon ball also borrowed lots from wuxia but it was far more basic and cartoonish in using it narratively
>>722536493Their tits look like they're making out
>>722530246>Hamon is garbage.>t. dio
>>722519813What the fuck?
>story 2/10>combats 4/10>characters 6/10>ambiance 12/10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T00oipoimrI
>>722522068>>722523694KnY was primarily popular on /a/ prior to the anime.The anime is what made it popular, because it had a solid sense of aesthetics in those opening episodes, and offered something fairly inoffensive and fun as a battle series at a fairly dry period (most current battle anime were sequels, like Hero Academia, or longrunners, like Black Clover and One Piece). >>722525375>>722527005"These three things released several years apart from each other killed a demographic covering 70% of manga"Anyways, it's retarded to go "they were only popular while they were on TV" when all of them are still current anime. They'll all probably go the way of Naruto and Bleach, slowly forgotten by the passage of time and propped up by obnoxious fags like you who want to go on about "muh better times". >>722528678Nobody has ever used "DBZ Clone" right. Most manga people apply it to just don't work with the term and I can think of very few DBZ clones in general (that were actually successful and known).Yu Yu Hakusho? Kinnikuman and JoJo clone.One Piece? JoJo and Kinnikuman clone.Hunter x Hunter? JoJo clone (partly).Naruto? Yu Yu Hakusho / Hunter x Hunter clone.Bleach? Saint Seiya clone (Araki even called this out).Tatsuki Fujimoto's entire career? Go Nagai clone.Baki? Kinnikuman clone.Kengan Ashura? Baki clone.Gash Bell? Karakuri Circus clone (it is stunningly obvious if you read both, and this is primarily because the mangaka worked on Karakuri Circus as an editor).The only Dragon Ball clone I can actually think of is YAIBA, from the Detective Conan mangaka.It has>spiky hair retard mountain child>perverted old drunk master>a large group of jobber friends with special abilities >a woman who pines after him and he is completely oblivious to it (even does the "I thought marriage was food" gag)>journey to collect seven magic orbsThe big difference is that Yaiba is a big Japan tour about swordfighting I guess.
>>722537598 Kinnikuman inspired shit, yes, but even so it wasn't the juggernaut that Dragon Ball was in regards to series that came after it like OP and Naruto. That's like saying half the manga is an Astro Boy clone just because it came first.>Naruto? Yu Yu Hakusho / Hunter x Hunter clone>HxH cloneOh, you're retarded.
>>722527018SWAMP ALGAE?!
>>722536286Kinnikuman is better in that departmenthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv8mKwcT6y0Also the fucking character themes too, there a reason of why ramenman is the only anime character the fucking CCP in china respectshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vDml84fQmQ>>722537598Baki isnt a kinnikuman clone, Baki is All of early 90's hong kong, japan and van damme tournament movies merged into one permanent kumite and now ancient prophecy related to the HammasAlso Bleach is a million times better than Saint Seiya because Ichigo is straight, and Seiya is a Dicklet FaggotAlso Yu Yu Hakusho began early as a Otokojuku spoof, and togashi is a Otokojuku fanboy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4lLAaJSEyY
>>722517459Kino KINO OST
>>722516094Gigabased Urameshi
>>722518019NANI!?
>>722518827>tfw we never got a full version of the ending themefucking wack
>>722530925Not the "get out of the closet and scream to the four winds" shit.
>>722538014>>HxH clone>Oh, you're retarded.The Chuunin Exams rather infamously draw inspiration from the Hunter Exams.>but even so it wasn't the juggernaut that Dragon Ball was in regards to series that came after it like OP and NarutoIt actually literally was.Like, you do realize that a character within One Piece is just a reference to how big a fan Oda was of Kinnikuman, right? That Oda submitted a fan design during one of the Kinnikuman design contests and got rejected, and he kept that character with him into OP?Actually on that, character design contests are a part of Gash Bell, there's another Kinnikuman inspiration.>>722538047>Baki isnt a kinnikuman clone, Baki is All of early 90's hong kong, japan and van damme tournament movies merged into one permanent kumite and now ancient prophecy related to the HammasYeah, you're right, wasn't thinking too hard by the last stretch of the post.>Also Bleach is a million times better than Saint Seiya because Ichigo is straight, and Seiya is a Dicklet FaggotYeah, but the point is that Bleach's inspirations are rather transparent. Its arc setups in particular ring reminiscent of Seiya's taste for constant repetition in arc structure. >Also Yu Yu Hakusho began early as a Otokojuku spoof, and togashi is a Otokojuku fanboy.I haven't gone through Otokojuku yet, I just recalled commentary on how Togashi got a lot of shit for stealing the concept of stands in Chapter Black, and how the final arc was "shit on purpose", with his manga overall structured similarly to Kinnikuman on purpose (early experimental period -> battle manga -> tournament -> later experimental period -> shit and sudden ending).
>>722537598>Bleach? Saint Seiya cloneokay, (You) got me. I am waiting a long winded explanation about this.
>>722515673>most popular anime in existencethat's not DBZ, pokemon, Yu Gi Oh, or even Akirayou deserve to be left with nothing for your false beliefs
>>722536152It was retarded.
>>722515673>the most popular anime in existenceMade me reply. 3/10
>>722526624Part 4 is the best part after 7
>>722538014NTA, but the late Toriyama admitted that Kinnikuman inspired a lot of stuff in classic DB and Z as time went on because yudetamago always raised the bet on making choujin and their powers even more insane.The Ki Disks were literally inspired on planetman's attack and all of Freeza's antics at Freeza Saga, even his asshole behavior was based on Akuma Shogun and Juda from FOTNS.
>>722538518I'm mostly referencing this quote from Araki:>"The more I read Bleach, the more I can see the influence of Masami Kurumada... To put it bluntly, I feel like I'm reading a Masami Kurumada doujinshi."But Bleach does have a lot of similarities- again, arc structure. Seiya did a standard crisis arc followed by three rescue arcs in a row- Bleach did the same thing (Substitute Shinigami is displaced by Ishida's game with Ichigo, which leads to the Rukia rescue arc, which leads to rescuing Orihime, though that is subverted, and TYBW has a few similarities to Hades, like actually killing the most important character in the room (Athena, Soul King), etc.Tons of little things too, the Gotei 13 mirror the Gold Saints fairly naturally, and the way Bleach does its power ups is reminiscent of Seiya moreso than a work like Yu Yu Hakusho or Dragon Ball.
>>722516094Its Togashi after all
Shounen peeked here. Anime, manga, and games.
>>722538803>we will never have another good Jump game after JUS because Jump Force flopped hard and the "newest" one is a fucking phone mobaThis timeline sucks, man.
>>722538754The funniest thing about what Araki saidIs that is hinted til this day that Lime aka Purple Haze is Tite Kubo himself, because no one can explain why all of the bleach girls in his CG's are literally what kubo draws with higher detail, and the other CG are drawn like if kubo made it
>>722538931Maybe Jump Forces shouldn't be shit.
>>722537598If you read manga released prior to Dragon Ball you'll understand. Go Nagai didn't focus on fighting as much, it's just something that happened for the sake of the story.
>>722539106I have. I quite literally mentioned a few.Other manga did fighting and were popular. Kinnikuman has been mentioned like three dozen times in this thread. Ring ni Kakero has been mentioned a lot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWj2C_x71CA
i miss 90s anime and when the community wasn't full of zoomers and normies fellating effete crap like boku no piko academia and jjk
>>722539548anime was always for faggots
Final arc was a complete bed-shitter. Togashi clearly got asked to make another tournament cause dark tourney was so wildly successful.FOREVER FORNEVER
>>722518827>The dub versions of the themes are also good
>>722516641>>722515824I've watched this series multiples times, but I always stop at the Dark Tournament, dunno why, guess its feels right for a ending.
>>722515673YYH is my favorite animeI love it so much
I like the bulma clone in this show.
>>722539214Ashita No Joe is more of a sob story where the main character is a boxer. Is that what you mean by Ring ni Kakero, or is that a different manga ?
>>722539548oh and kny.the unholy trinity of shounen.
>>722539950A gundam that rides a horse gundam piloted by a real horse is just peak
>>722531000Man this guy really doesn't like Hagiwara Kazushi.
>>722539548yeah, they were fellating sailor moon and evangelion instead
>>722539889Ring ni Kakero is the battle manga Kurumada did before Saint Seiya. It's about boxing, but it's boxing the same way Kinnikuman is pro wrestling.
>>722539950The God Gundam was a downgrade from the Shining.
>>722529282>>722529140Chu was good character and the Knife Edge was a great gimmick fight.
>>722517459I watched the movies a while ago, the women are beautiful.
>>722540265Why not mention Saint Seiya instead ? The manga people actually know outside Japan.
>>722540289Especially because it's just that fight. The series does a good job of making all the fights different.
>>722540543Because this isn't about what people know outside Japan retard.
>>722538754You can see some similarity in the art, as well. Kubo has the same fondness for splash pages.
>>722519069RIP kid named finger
>>722538803>No Fighterz sequel that's a Jump Crossover and using these 4 in my team
>>722522068I saw like 5 episodes and got bored. It felt like I've already seen it before.
>>722515673the one of the right is cute, who is she?
>>722517459Golgo 13 is more like a series of spy novels than your typical ongoing manga. Since Golgo is basically the only character and he's just hardboiler terminator, there's not a whole lot to discuss. Also, only a small fraction has been translated into English. So, you mostly see it discussed for its excellent movie(s) since that's a self-contained story.
>>722516641>>722516949>>722517681Chapter Black is great all the way up to and including the pacifier being a magic trap spell. If the series had ended right in that moment, giving up humanity's ace in the hole to seal away Sensui on the other side but leaving ambiguous the future of humanity, it would have been the perfect kino ending.>Yusuke, I'm afraid I can't promise you peace. Now that I don't have our backup plan, I'm going to need you more than ever.>>Nice try pacifier breath. Haven't you learned anything from the last THREE spirit detectives? This is way too much to put on one person. Every year Granny has a thousand psychics who want to be trained by her, make them do the job.>Actually Yusuke I agree. But you're going to be the one training them.Perfect ending, leaves it open for a sequel either with old Master Yusuke or a new protag later, but also enough of a conclusion to just be the end.
>>722525959I tried reading the manga because the anime is not complete, but it's not as good without the music, voice acting, and animation.
>>722525959Saito was the best
>>722539950I re-watched this recently. It's not as good as I remember, but the music is great.
>>722515824lol
>>722541941Look at him go
>>722538732>>722528094I only read parts 5 6 and 7, animeonly for 1-4. Is the adaptation of 4 THAT fucking bad? Part 4 anime kind of sucked, was the manga that much better?
>>722540257>they were fellating good shows instead of fotm trashoh no
>>722541079>"Master" YusukeThat has potential for a comical disaster.
>>722540571Yeah, you feel how desperate how some of the fights get.
>>722542028dude I watched part 4 on tv. I could feel on my soul how botched and rushed it was.sometimes you just have to read it, dude.
>>722515824
You guys need to watch City Hunter & Cobra
>>722542284I believe you, I loved reading part 6 but the anime was so fucking bad. How did the anime elevate part 5 and the boring bits of part 3 so well but shit the bed so hard on almost all of part 4 and 6?
>>722542028Just seemed no different than the usual DAVID production jojo adaptions. >skipped scenes>QUALITY during major fights including final boss
Is Yusuke the luckiest shounen jump protag(besides Joseph)? Like most of his wins is by the skin of his teeth besides The Dark Tournament final and he loses against Yomi.
>>722542815>skipped scenesShit I hate finding out I missed content, I really gotta read it from the start. Thanks bros. God willing they don't fuck up 7.
>>722526534>>722526534there's literally a manga about one of togashi's assistants experience during yuyu hakusho serialization, even in hxh togashi got assistants working with him.https://mangadex.org/title/ac5b4e59-f863-4b9a-9e93-a5468de9242c/sensei-hakushohttps://youtu.be/elV_HmGTCbE?t=2164
>>722532607>fujo gay shit which only shitzilliansYou like watching girly show lol
>>722538617Retard: the post
>>722541079I never thought about that before, but yeah that actually sounds like a really great way to leave off the series for a sequel series. Would have sucked if it ended that way and there was no sequel though.
>>722543238we found the shitzillian lads
>>722542874The fact that a shonen protagonist actually loses is more interesting than one that wins all the time.
>>722543436I don’t know what you talking bout, brownoid
>>722543465I agree, it's just kinda surprising to see Yusuke compared to other SJ Protags in fights. In fact Hiei is the most consistent "dominant" fighter of the team.
>>722529547>>722526616>>722525621>Bulma, Bibi, and herPerfect girls
A thought came to me the other day: Is Dragonball the only anime where people not only remember the names of movie-only characters, but care more about them than actual 'mainline' characters? Like if a DB game came out and it didn't have Appule or Cui or Dodoria, nobody would care, but if it didn't have Broly or Cooler or Janemba, people would lose their fucking mindsWhy is that?
>>722515673I enjoyed (You) (You) Hakusho and the heroes are great, but let's not mince words. It's pacing is TERRIBLE>starting to enjoy delinquent antics>abandons it>starting to enjoy spirit world adventures>abandons that too>TOURNAMENT TOURNAMENT TOURNAMENT
>>722525848>she
>>722526616Botan was the greatest, and her english va is one of the few examples of a western female va that sounded like they actually were into the role.
>>722534092I don't even understand why people make girls with both. Human ears aren't that cute, just lose them.
>>722544420BINGO!
for me, it was kuwabara's big sis
>>722544079This is entirely because of how DB was introduced to the west. Here is the order Americans got DB in>Weird Dragon Ball dub on VHS nobody watched that just had Episodes 1-13 and Movie 1>Dragon Ball GT: Final Bout (PSX)>DBZ Episodes 1-45 (Ocean)>Tree of Might split into three episodes >DBZ Episodes 46-53 (Ocean)>Dead Zone and World's StrongestNearly two years later>DBZ 54-179>Trunks and Burdock specials released as singles>DBZ 180-276 (Funi dub so it ends here due to cut episodes)>Every movie aired on TV adjacent to OG DB and GT in DBZ's timeslotAnd while those Funi episodes were airing, the following came out- again, WHILE they were airing (DBZ's English run ended in 2003)>DBZ Budokai >DBZ Budokai 2>The Legacy of Goku>The Legacy of Goku 2>Ultimate Battle 22>TaiketsuNot much, right? Not too much movie stuff in there? DB mania hit its peak AFTER DBZ's broadcast concluded, when the movies were being broadcast on TV. By 2008, the following had all released>Budokai 3>Infinite World>Super DBZ>Budokai Tenkaichi>Budokai Tenkaichi 2>Budokai Tenkaichi 3>Burst Limit>Shin Butoden>Shin Butoden Another RoadAmong many others, but these are the sort of important ones of the time.Budokai Tenkaichi especially is WHY people know all the movie villains and minor characters. They are unique among anime fighters in how comprehensive they are in what they include, and they include every movie character. Budokai Tenkaichi 2 was super popular and basically had everything, and it released in 2006. That was one year before the IMMENSELY popular DBZ Orange Brick DVD sets, which released from 2007-2009. And to iterate on this, Dragon Ball's complete American cable run ended in 2005, with oddly enough, Episode 15 of Dragon Ball GT. DB was popular while being on American TV from 1998 to 2005, wherein Funimation released all of DBZ, DB, GT, and every movie at that point.
>>722544549>stronger psychic sensing than KuwabaraHow strong would she be if she trained
>>722532607I don’t watch trannysform knock off.
>Insult Saint Seiya>Brazillians and Pacos suddenly pops up to defendKek, even gay porn is more straight than that shit.
>>722516094Urameshi-sama... I kneel
>>722543314Tell me what exactly is so cool about demon Yusuke, because the retardation speaks for itself. It's total hackery. It's Kubo-tier.
>>722544709That is fascinating, anon.>Budokai Tenkaichi especially is WHY people know all the movie villains and minor charactersYeah, you're right. It's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy I suppose, DB has had exponentially more videogame adaptations than other anime, and most of them were fighting games, so they had to scrape for roster wherever they could. You're correct, I would have no fucking idea who Turles or Bojack are if it weren't FOR those PS2/3 gamesThank you for answering my question so succintly
It is not a very good manga unfortunately. The anime has its merits tho, great soundtrack, English dub and even strong direction and some good animation sequences here and there. The manga feels amateurish next to Hunter x Hunter, Dragon Ball, Mahoujin Guru Guru, Dragon Quest Dai no Daibouken, Rurouni Kenshin etc.
YYH has the best ED themes in terms of quantity.
>>722544998I prefer the manga to the anime, at least up through the end of Chapter Black. But even then the manga has a nice epilogue that the anime never got.
>>722544549>the anime wrote out Yusake's mom and replaced her with kuwabara's sister who just happens to look like Yusake's mom What an odd change
>>722544491makes my heart melt honestly
>>722545106>nice epilogue that the anime never got.Scratch that. I forgot the epilogue and the Hiei/Kurama one shot were animated a few years ago for the Bluray set.
>>722545305>They got the dub cast together and even remastered the English version of Smile Bomb
>>722545021close but Bokura wa ima demo sakenderu
>>722544918Not that anon, but I get the whole Sensui wanting to be killed by demons thing and how else do you follow through with that? He goes to the demon world and just get killed by some random demon? Yusuke has to beat him to have a satisfactory conclusion, but also his whole backstory has built up to being killed by demons. Basically you have to either end the series early like >>722541079 said or have something like this happen. The demon Yusuke look was only there for that one fight too. And I think it does look neat as a stand-alone character design.
>>722545021Inuyasha is though competition.
>>722544960The whole reason why DB had a lot of games was timing.Hokuto no Ken was the impetus for "nostalgia" anime games, and DBZ Budokai was that (in Japan, it's even called just "Dragon Ball Z" and the whole point is that it recreates the original anime beat for beat in its scenes, including the original OP). That gets released in America and it blows up, which results in more DB games being made to capitalize on the renewed interest in the franchise. This is basically every DB game released during the "craze">Legacy of Goku - GBA (2002)>Legendary Super Warriors - GBC (2002)>Budokai - PS2/GCN (2002)>Legacy of Goku II - GBA (2003)>Budokai 2 - PS2/GCN (2003)>Taiketsu - GBA (2003)>Supersonic Warriors - GBA (2003)>Buu's Fury - GBA (2004)>Budokai 3 - PS2 (2004)>Advanced Adventure - GBA (2004)>Sagas - PS2/Xbox/GCN (2005)>GT Transformation - GBA (2005)>Budokai Tenkaichi - PS2 (2005)>Supersonic Warriors 2 - DS (2005)>Super DBZ - PS2 (2005)>Shin Budokai - PSP (2006)>Budokai Tenkaichi 2 - PS2 (2006)>Shin Budokai: Another Road - PSP (2007)>Harukanaru Densetsu - DS (2007)>Budokai Tenkaichi 3 - PS2/Wii (2007)>Burst Limit - PS3 (2008)>Origins - DS (2008)>Infinite World - PS2 (2008)>Evolution: The Game - PSP (2009)>Attack of the Saiyans - DS (2009)>Revenge of King Piccolo - Wii (2009)>Raging Blast - PS3/360 (2009)>Origins 2 - DS (2010)>Tenkaichi Tag Team - PSP (2010)>Raging Blast 2 - PS3/360 (2010)>Ultimate Tenkaichi - PS3/360 (2011)>Kinect - 360 (2012)>Battle of Z (2014)You see that right? DBZ was so popular that Bandai Namco felt it was fine to release at LEAST 3 games a year, internationally, for EIGHT YEARS. It was nuts at the time, and it's nuts that they actually slowed down. to just one game every few years (with Xenoverse 2 DLC packs every few months).
I always had this autistic desire to see who would win a fight between Yoko Kurama and Hiei. But it never came to pass.
>>722545654Damn, yeah, it really makes perfect sense once you look at the release dates. It also explains why the other anime worked differently, OP and Bleach and Naruto got to the west much more seamlessly, and gave much less time for things to marinate unlike DB with the gap between Z and GT, and GT and Super
>>722515805Yoko Kurama is so lucky...
>>722545021Nah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL0y5VPf3wQ
>>722515673I wanted this game so bad as a kid.
>>722517353Hiatus x Hiatus is genuinely trash. YYH was the only good series Togashi made.
>>722515673>>>/a/282755702
>>722545992>>722545573>>722545431Great stuff but...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqTao0YEvRs&pp=ygUSY2l0eSBodW50ZXIgZW5kaW5n0gcJCfsJAYcqIYzvhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK3_ZhGpKsQ&pp=ygUSY2l0eSBodW50ZXIgZW5kaW5n
>>722538803I miss Ichigo 100%...
>>722546000I was lucky enough to have that game as a kid! Shallow but I like SRPGs and the characters so I had fun with it. You could just emulate it now.>>722545679That's really a brain vs brawn kind of thing. Kurama's the smart one and Hiei's always portrayed as one of the most powerful characters. I don't want to say some kind of Batman "prep time" nonsense but presumably if they did fight Kurama would have some kind of plan no matter what the outcome even if Hiei overpowered him in like a 1v1 head on fight.
>>722545567I don't see why getting killed by a demon is necessary just because Sensui wanted it. Sensui is a psychotic dipshit.
>>722545990Didn't Kurama always reject girls because "muh danger around loved ones"
>>722517353Wish Togashi included fifth female cast, A ganguro who manipulating nen similar to branch of sin (Deadman Wonderland)
>>722546330Yeah, Kurama would probably have something set up for Hiei because Hiei isn't going to fuck around. He said himself that Kurama is more ruthless that he is.
>>722546275City Hunter is Unfair, funniest thing is that the new Kinnikuman stuff, is Suguru behind the mask is Ryo Saeba as homage to Akira Kamiyahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0dgneH1D_4
>>722546387It's about completing the arc and themes of the story. The setting does the Japanese style Spirit Realm / Earth Realm / Demon Realm, the first part of the story is about evil demons, Chapter Black is about evil humans, and the rushed final arc fumbles the Spirit Realm being evil too. That idea of anyone being able to be corrupt/evil isn't bad even if it's messed up at the end.Sensui is a former Spirit Detective that killed hundreds or thousands of demons only to get traumatized by seeing the humans he's fighting for committing greater atrocities. He's simultaneously trying to convince Yusuke that the Spirit Realm is evil (and is right about that) and also get to Demon Realm to get killed by demons as a way to atone for his sins. As a story narrative you can't just spend all the time setting that up and having it not lead to anything. It's a Chekov's gun situation, it wouldn't be narratively satisfying. That would be like having Toguro and Genkai's whole conflict about humanity vs power just lead to nothing.
>>722546650>Akira KamiyaIt's actually kinda cool he voiced 3 of SJ's most iconic main characters(Ryo, Kenshiro & Suguru).
>>722546494Kurama did do some of the most brutal things in any shonen series, like killing a childHe's actually an interestingly written character because he's actually still very emotional and humane and not like an evil vampire, but occasionally it comes across that he's actually hundreds of years old and willing to do anything because he's probably already done worse.
>>722547283the entire second half of yyh would have been improved if they didn't constantly try to walk back the deaths that had gravity, genkai, that kid, the doctor that yusuke fought that just happened to be able to survive the fight. really fucked with the stakes
>>722546996>As a story narrative you can't just spend all the time setting that up and having it not lead to anything.But how is Yusuke being a demon payoff to that? If you really need Sensui to get a heavyhanded demise then Kurama and Hiei are right there, since the bond between Yusuke and his friends is a deeper realization of that kind of ambiguity than Yusuke having extremely convenient demon ancestry. There's nothing satisfying about it because it's a hamhanded contrivance that's written backwards. It's only poetic in that special shortbus George Lucas pottery kind of way.
>>722530246>It has no consistent power system>JJBA is great because it has an awesome power system.Are you serious? A stand's powers changes every fight.
>>722547109Dude, he is also Detective Conan and OG Ryoma Nagare until fucking Uchiha Itachi was blessed by him to replace his voice.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBI2Sntjblg
>>722544096The next arc after dark tournament is back to spirit detective stuff, and arguably had the best main villain yeah I didn't like Toguro that much, bite meI know it's a tournament again after that but the last arc can barely called an arc, feels more like a fart
Obviously the series completely peaked with the Dark Tournament. But I cant think of a series that comes even close in terms of that quality. Where every single episode is good.
>>722547427Yeah, "nobody ever dies" is a real problem with a lot of shonen anime, and YYH is no exception there.>>722547471Yusuke being a demon is just a solution to both needing Yusuke to defeat the villain because he's the hero and that Sensui needs to get killed by a demon to close the loop on all the build up to that. I agree with you that it's a contrivance, it's just contrived for a narrative reason instead of just something random.And you're right about Kurama and Hiei but Yusuke wouldn't just let them kill Sensui, it'd be totally out of character. That's also a convenience of the demon Yusuke twist, since Yusuke isn't in control of himself the story can have him actually kill Sensui when he normally wouldn't.Again, you're right it comes out of nowhere and is contrived but there's at least reasoning behind it and I don't know how else you'd satisfactorily resolve everything without just cutting off the story early like >>722541079 said (and something like that works for a resolution too, it just needs a sequel follow up)
>>722547427Genkai coming back is really, really stupid. Her death was the perfect send off.
>>722547761You mean he was Kogoro and yeah, I know he was OG Ryoma. He was also Roy Fokker in Macross.>TARGETO, LOCK ON
>>722517723literally everyone loves tournaments. you know how people go fucking insane for sports? every sport is just a tournament stretched out over a year.
>>722548096absolutely unfathomable yeah, like if they actually went through with killing a character in a shonen like the above poster was talking about, then holy shit walking it back after she was literally in the afterlife is insane.
>>722518556his spinoff manga where he plays basketball instead of fighting demons was pretty good.
>>722516641Territories were interesting. I liked Game Master and Sniper's powers.
>>722546000This was my intro to tactics games
>>722545679Same. I always thought the final arc with the tournament would have been a perfect opportunity for it. I also aways wanted to know whether Toguro would be able to tank Hiei's black dragon in the Dark Tournament.
>>722548105We never got the opportunity of having a Battletech anime where he voices 3050 era Kell Hound himself where he smashes cockpits at point blank with his bare hands at Twycross.
>>722548096Agreed! She didn't even really have a role to fill once she returned either, the series would have gone on basically just the same with the good guy psychics having some other mentor (the female Spirit Detective could have been this role and that would have been extremely fitting).Do we know if bringing her back was some kind of publisher mandate or something?
>>722548265Ayako is a severely underrated waifu
>>722515673Same for sailor moon
Yu Yu Hakusho is simply not that great compared to HxH and I think people need to be reminded that an anime being old does not mean it is for old people. It is heavily targeted at young people and once I asked a zoomer why they liked it and not hxh and was told "hxh is confusing nerd shit". Most toonami anime is targeted at a very young audience and this fact does not change with time.
>>722527018Genkai explains that Rando didn't know the ins and outs of the technique because he stole it and killed the creator. It makes a lot of sense that he doesn't know all his techniques that well since he has 99. The lit cigarette thing is fine, not only was the opponent using night vision he had basically every advantage over yusuke aside from being the main charcter.
>>722548514The Dark Tournament probably raised her popularity considering she did a lot of stuff in it, so it's possible they decided to bring her back because of that but Togashi never really thought how to make her relevant again
>>722515673Yu yu Hakusho is written by a hack who loves tranny shit Hunter x Hunter failed to be iconic Togashi is a hack and a failure
>>722547917They remark about Yusuke being inhuman as early as 4sb so it doesn't really come out of nowhere.
>>722548646im really not going to read the rest of your post. yyh is absolutely peak in quality up until the moment genkai gets revived, then it has some moments that aren't bad before it shits the bed but going just off everything until that point its one of the best there is in how it builds up the cast and ties everything together. yusukes journey to come back to life really nicely shows you who he and kuwabara are as people, and then the spirit detective arc shows you hiei and kurama, but then hiei and kurama get proper fleshing out, as well as developing a solid party dynamic with yusuke and kuwabara during the saint beast arc, and toguro gets a good introduction before he really matters setting him up in a way that feels natural. the dark tournament was a perfect conclusion to everything we've come to know about the characters with them getting some nice finishing touches along the way. its simply quality tv
Anyone remember Big O?
>>722548838You can pretty much say that if Naoko IS A SAINT for making him straight, because he would had killed himself when the first anime adaptation came out.
>>722549043Great show. The first season, anyway.
>>722548870>yyh is absolutely peak in quality up until the moment genkai gets revivedThere is not a single memorable moment in yyh while hxh is full of iconic and quite frankly stunning scenes while being an interesting deconstruction of shonen. YYH is a by-the-books tournament manga and what little good there is to be found in it is due to Hagiwara's influence. And if I'm going to go with a vanilla shonen battle manga, well, Zatch is unbeatable.There are lots of manga to read, and personally I find Usogui to be a much more interesting synthesis of the themes presented by Togashi and Araki, and also has some of the best writing and artwork in any manga, which got better over time instead of worse. So you should stop wasting your time on such garbage and read more manga. Nothing sadder than someone wiki dumping on shitty toonami anime.
>>722548848Yes it does.
>>722549043Big O is in the Super Robo Wars series, right? Does anyone know what the best game in that series is? I've always wanted to try one out but don't know where to start.
>>722549043kino
>>722549234>there is not a single memorable moment in yyhoh ok you're not worth discussing with. I can think of many off the top of my head so it's more clear that you simply have shit taste
>>722549265Again, they remark about him being inhuman as early as the 4 saint beasts arc.
>>722517605Your oss.The 2nd tournament arc is unforgettable.
>>722549043season 3 soon trust the plan
>>722549367That doesn't mean anything, though. He was still human. That's the whole point, really.
>>722549043CAST IN THY NAME OF GOD, YE NOT GUILTY
>>722549043I wish shows like these could just tell smaller scale stories instead of always going existential. It was fine being about a robot of the episode needing a beatdown. Really it was.
>>722549043But who was the Big O?
>>722549324Victoreem is a more iconic and interesting battle than anything in YYH.
>>722549570You're a louse, Anon.
>>722549480Since you can't be bothered to google>In the anime and manga seriesYu Yu Hakusho, Suzaku repeatedly tells Yusuke Urameshi that he couldn't possibly be human. This occurs during their battle in the Labyrinth of Betrayal and foreshadows Yusuke's true identity and demon lineage.>This exchange occurs as Yusuke becomes enraged after seeing images of his friend Keiko being chased by possessed humans. Suzaku mocks Yusuke's human weakness, but Yusuke's resulting powerful display of spirit energy surprises Suzaku. He begins to doubt that someone with Yusuke's raw power could be a simple human, which later proves true when Yusuke's ancestor Raizen is revealed to be a demon king.Why was it ever the point that Yusuke is human? Him being a demon changes nothing about him as you know him up to that point.
>>722525498Hisoka is just hawk's eye from sailor moon
>>722549639>Why was it ever the point that Yusuke is human?Are you special needs?
>>722549583I do not care, you did not think anything in yyh was iconic, and so whatever you are describing is likely not very good. perhaps by happenstance, whatever you posted is good, but your taste is so questionable that I will not be giving it the time of day.
>>722549606Dorothy was an absolute sass machine.
>>722549738>I do not careI know you don't care. You have shit taste because your scope of experiences, and therefore standards, is very low. And since you are obsessed with toonami anime you are also probably brown.
>>722549715I guess so but it's one of my favorite anime so maybe you can help me out to learn more about it. What element of the story is marred by that change that simply acts as a vehicle for the next arc? Yeah the arc is rushed and the tournament is scuffed but that has nothing to do with Yusuke being a demon.
>>722515673How come everyone starts liking the same anime at the same time on their own?I started watching this anime this week again.This keeps happening, I watch an anime from 20 years ago, and you fags start talking about it.I think we're being corralled.
>>722549520Because all japanese manga creators think they're smarter than everyone else when they're really just mentally ill.
>>722544709>This is entirely because of how DB was introduced to the westYou mean American, right? Europe and Latin America got DB in the proper way.
>>722549815>you are also probably brown.I love how this is some new way to dismiss arguments. Just say you're a coward, you fucking faggot.
>>722529364>based kiyoshi
>>722549815whatever you said anon, have a terrible day!
>>722549865>>722549520It was per Adult Swim's request that season 2 was what it was.
>>722515862>HxH eclipsed it in popularity almost immediatelyI never understood that.YYH is way better.
>>722550017I believe that. They pulled the EXACT SAME SHIT in Space Dandy. Fuck off, AS.
>>722549890He literally specifies america in the very next line, anon
>>722548452>I also aways wanted to know whether Toguro would be able to tank Hiei's black dragon in the Dark Tournament.He would have
>>722515673i like YYH, but the character and costume designs haven't aged into anything remarkable. Yusuke was one of the most bland looking characters in Jump Force.>>722515824you're actually insane. nobody has time to read and watch all that. you could watch or read AT LEAST fifteen other anime in the time it would take you to watch One Piece. the entry-level value proposition for getting into that series has fucking plummeted the longer the story has carried on. i think it's actually unwatchable unless you read the manga and just watch the corresponding episodes when you get to a really good portion.
>>722549271SRW Z and you can try SRW D, that's when Big O made it's SRW debut.
>>722549925it's even funnier considering this is coming from an avatarfag of all people
>>722539797You're absolutely right.The final arcs kind of make Toguro look like a stupid asshole. His whole thing was that he was cursed to never have a true fight cause nothing could match his power.Then immediately, next arc,>Oh lol, there's actually a shit ton of monsters and demons that are like, 15 Toguros put together that we've always known about and they're like, 10 miles south of there.
>>722521285>And these days, a reboot or continuation is just asking for a disaster.A reboot is a given, however long it takesd for it to happen.If RK got one, YYH will get one too. Give it time.
>>722526508>Araki never did a Tournament Arc
>>722550139RK as in Rurouni Kenshin? To be fair the old anime went original story route so the manga never had a proper adaptation, that's why it's getting a reboot. YYH adapted pretty much everything including the dogshit final arc.
>>722522174>>722522174>preserve the original opening.That they didn't.Those instrumentals ain't it chief.Go back in time and try to get a better childhood, North Americans. We LatAms got the winning stick here.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK-9pAEmN9g
>>722550094Thanks, appreciate it!>>722550124That's just typical bad anime/manga power scaling though. Base level Frieza could blow up entire planets at will, and Dragonball has characters like millions of times stronger than that. By the time Dragon Ball Super characters are punching each other the shock waves should be destroying galaxies.Fictional characters are always exactly as strong as the story needs them to be.
>>722549606I fapped to Dorothy so godamn much when i was 15.....
>>722549043Roger's semen receptacle
>>722536152It is still an asspull, but on a recent rewatch I actually have really come to appreciate it thematically and further solidified Chapter Black as my favorite arc. It also still LOOKS fucking cool.
>>722550253>To be fair the old anime went original story route so the manga never had a proper adaptationYesn't.The first 2 arcs were canon story.Then they had to make filler arcs because there wasn't enough new content to adapt, and the disaster that was the Feng Shui arc kinda killed the old anime.Then naturally, with all the pedo scandal around Watsuki no one in the anime production biz wanted to give Watsuki the time of the day until enough time passed and most of the people forgot about it or cared less than they used to.Point is though, if RK got a remake, so will YYH.The differences between their circumstances matter not.
>>722549234>Usogui to be a much more interesting synthesis of the themes presented by Togashi and ArakiHow do you mean?
>>722519741a hot hag
>>722550343
>>722530246>JJBA is great because it has an awesome power system.Explain why Weather Report can have a long range targeted ability while also being a punch ghost at the same time
I'm baffled the consensus is the peak was the repetitive ass redundant tropey tournament arc and not the wildly superior chapter black saga, this place sucks
>>722550498She's seriously the best depiction of an android I can think of.
>>722550520chapter black, like many arcs, was good until it wasnt. togashi knows how to build tension, but usually sucks at releasing it. dark torunament is arguably the only arc in any togashi manga that ends as well as he can begin an arc. like, if yorknew ended the way DT ended it would be the single greatest arc of all time.
>>722515673YOU KNOW THIS SECOND HAIRCUT ISN'T RIGHT FOR MEIT'S SPONSORED BY MY LEGACY OF WORLDLY DEEDS
>>722550502Because it's not "balanced" like a freaking competitive game?
>>722550498Everything was fine until the fucking tomatoes were a thing!
>>722550446Sure. I'm just saying RK had a real reason to be rebooted, along with the likes of Shaman King that also had an incomplete adaptation and got a reboot. YYH didn't, but there's still a chance I suppose..
>>722550520Chapter Black's climax is awful and doomed the rest of the series. I like it up until then.
YYH was popular in pinoyland, but I'm not sure if there's anything worth looking at after the anime, and the ending felt lackluster. is there anything else that happened in the manga or other shit? (movie?)>>722525959I watched the new series for the nostalgia>tfw no TM Revolutionfuck
>>722550846I wished Raizen himself would defeat Sensui and not use Yusuke's body like he did. That would drive home how beyond the heroes Sensui's power was and that they had no chance at winning.
>>722544709I like ocean dub goku more than the current guy
>>722549583I dont think you know what iconic means
>>722550927> is there anything else that happened in the manga or other shit? (movie?)nothing really. everything is pretty much adapted
>>722551087regarding YYH vidya there are some pretty fun ones. there was this kind of turn-based one on the SNES, I'm not sure if games like that were ever made again
>>722544079I think Dragon Ball just has better movies than other anime. I think other anime tend to take the plot too seriously and end up not giving the villain much justice, meanwhile Dragon Ball is like "hey wouldn't it be cool if there was an actual legendary super saiyan and he fucking hated Goku" and "hey wouldn't it be cool if Frieza had a stronger older brother and he fucking hated Goku".
>>722517723authors love them because they are easy to write while they're outlining the rest of the plot that will come afterfans love them because it's just non-stop fighting. which is why 80% of shonen fans stick around to begin withGrand Magic Games was the best Fairy Tail had ever been. Just fights and fanservice without a break. I only dislike tournament arcs when they interrupt a story that's actually got decent plot, worldbuilding, and character development which the majority of shonen don't have enough of for me to give a shit about a tournament arc interrupting.
>>722551197if YYH gets a new game somewhat it'll be a $80 mediocre arena battler with dozens of DLCs, courtesy of good people at Bandai Namco
>>722550975I'm not sure how I'd want the fight to go, but multiple personalities and super special demon powerups are not it.
>>722550520Chapter Black is an absolutely fantastic arc right up until the end. The whole split personalities thing isn't as meaning as Sensui being a fallen Spirit Detective, the conflict worked better when he was like a dark counterpart to the main character. And then things just sort of continue to fall apart from there until the end of the series, although some of the fights are still good and there are still some interesting ideas and moments.Some of the best tension in the series comes from the 7 psychics and the lead up to the Sensui fight, so that's a major point in Chapter Black's favor. It also has some of the most interesting powers and definitely the darkest moments of the series too.
All i remember about this anime is some episode where they spend like 10 minutes talking about a magical sticker to go up against a guy that had weird psychic powers on a stair and then the stickers never factored in during the fight at all
I'm mad the last arc was probably not Togashi's vision. What happened to the demons as big as shopping malls in the lower layers?
>>722536168And? The parts were shounen are still peak. Switching to a different magazine doesn't invalidate that.
>>722544865Saint Seiya is only shown in South America?No wonder that only spics speak of it online.
>>722551663working on YYH wrecked Togashi's body. He actually wanted to end it by Sensui but if I'm not mistaken he was told by Shonen Jump to keep going, and eventually did reluctantly. That's why the final arc was so messy.
>>722517723how many of you know about dr.slump a manga made by toriyama
>>722551557>whole split personalities thing>Yusuke: Well, now, it's you and me. Well, you, you, you, you, you, you and me.
>good /a/ thread in /v/ huh that was unexpected I thought only /tv/ could pull it
>>722552240/v/ has had the best /a/ threads for a while, especially when it comes to old anime.
>>722548758>>722527302Both are still massive asspulls, since why would swamp shit get into Yuske's ears at that point specifically?
>>722552079The split personalities thing itself isn't necessarily bad as a stand alone idea and seeing Yusuke get shot up was definitely a shocking moment, it just really doesn't fit narratively with Sensui at all. Would have been fine for a new villain or such.>>722552003Yeah, someone posted the interview where he mentioned it earlier. It's such a shame.
>>722552539Not the sailor moon ones
>>722544865hey, French also love Saint Seiya. it was mostly translated from french.okay, nevermind.
>>722515673Because you TOUCH YOURSELF AT NIGHT!
>>722552240most people in the thread are smart enough to not reply to obvious baits or stop replying after a post or two, which was really surprising for a /v/ thread
>>722552539>especially when it comes to old anime>It's just anime from cartoon networkNewfags should be more honest
>>722515805>>722528031KOTO SEXOOOOOOOOOO
>>722544865>Brazillians and PacosLiterally the entire world knows about Saint Seiya, except for america where they tried to air the show once and also make their own saturday morning cartoon version which has a pilot episode found in 2023.
>>722552865Sailor Moon threads are 50/50. Slayer threads are usually pretty good.>>722553039Bullshit but maybe next time why don't you bring up an old anime
>>722553039>>722552539Just need to think about what was relevant during 2003 when the boards were new
