>15 years (up to that point) of lore from the games, books, trailers, etc thrown away by a boss you never heard of or even hinted at in the games>Was so bad even Blizzard said sorry
I don't understand why people like OP cares about wow
>>722520742Exacly what happened? Last time I cared about WoW was in 2016. I don't know what happened since.
>>722521323Final Fantasy XIV marketed the Endwalker expansion as the culmination of the entire story up until that point. Basically you finally found out that the problems with the setting all stemmed from the Blue Bird of Unhappiness screaming "Kill yourself" to the entire universeWhy is this relevant to WoW? Well around the same time Blizzard decided their new big bad guy for Shadowlands, The Jailor, was actually secretly behind everything in the setting. The Burning Legion, the Lich King and the Scourge, Sylvanas' nonsense including Vol'Jin making her Warchief. They saw FFXIV doing their marketing campaign so they went hard on this for the release of 9.2 screaming that this was the epic end of the story started in Warcraft 3. But the Jailor barely got any screentime or development and he does that stupid shit where he was like "I only did it because something EVEN WORSE is on the way" just before he diesDreadlords aren't even demons anymore they're agents of death from the vampire afterlifeThe only good thing that came out of it was sending Sylvanas to superhell but I don't know if she's already come back or not.
>>722520742>XIV still lostlmao
>>722522410And it fucking deserves it
>>722521323Metzen took a long hiatus from the company, his replacement was cancelled as part of a larger conspiracy to unionize Blizzard, and that guy was replaced by Steve Danuser. Danuser was allowed to write whatever he wanted, with functionally no oversight, so he had his ridiculous self-insert's waifu become a super villainess, then "redeemed" her by making her the puppet of an uber-villain who had orchestrated everything significant that had ever happened in the entire setting, including Sargeras' betrayal of the Titans and his tainting of Argus with death magic. The Orc invasion of Azeroth? That was caused by the Jailer. Arthas becoming the Lich King? Jailer. Sylvanas becoming a lunatic war criminal? Jailer. Anyway, they fired him while he was halfway through writing the current expansion (The War Within), and now they write off the Jailer as just being insane.
>>722520742>thrown awayThat didn't happen though. You didn't play the game, did you? You got your opinion from a youtuber, didn't you?
>>722522401Sylvanas is definitely coming back either in Midnight or the next one, shit's all about le elverinos.
>>722523530OP is right. The jailer was hinted at nowhere in the game, WoW did talk about an afterlife in some cases but no like what we saw in Shadowlands. Most of the fanbase dropped the lore aspect of the game and view it as non-canon.
>>722521323Shadowlands overrides every bit of lore about the afterlife except that it doesn't, because of a questline in BFA that repeatedly verifies that Shadowlands doesn't override any bit of lore about the afterlife. You can't expect WoW players to read quest text, though.
>>722520742The worst part wasn't even the Jailer, it was how they completely undermined the undead/afterlife aspect of the game world into a weird Hogwarts houses/superhero cliques thing.
>>722521323Some tranny retard in charge of writing had a three day meth binge , watched the avengers with thanos on repeat, then came up with the brilliant idea to shoehorn thanos into wow lore, retconning everything before it, including the entire wc3 story arc and ending
>>722520742While a blatant Vampire Counts copycat, Revendreth was (and still is) one of the best zones they've ever designed.
>>722524980Revendreth really was a home run, the aesthetics were incredible.
>>722524868HE GOT THE SIGILS
>>722524980>the best storyline of the entire xpac>the best zone of the entire xpac>the best "new race" that everyone wanted to be playable of the entire xpac>the best artstyle, music, gameplay and post-launch content of the entire xpac>SUDDENLY>binned alongside the entirety of Shadowlands because everything else suckedPain.Suffering even.Agony if you will.
>>722525446
>All of the Warcraft gods are simply robotsLMFAO
>>722524980>Vampire Counts copycatyou're not supposed to point it out.it's ok when blizzard does it.
>>722525446>>722525537it's funny because a lot of the expansion budget went to revendreth and the venthyryou can tell because they have completely unique animations while everything else is, as usual, reskinned skeletons from vanilla\existing races
>>722525446They're not binning any part of Shadowlands. Night Fae showed up repeatedly in Dragonflight, several factions had people showing up at the Anniversary fairgrounds last year, and Legion Remix (which doesn't even start until Tuesday) has Mawsworn hanging out in the world when you die.
>>722524980>Vampire Counts copycatGames workshop invented the idea of "Bloodsucking Nobility Metaphor". Don't tell Bram Stoker or anyone else who's done vampires.
Sneedolands killed WoW...
>>722525858NTA but Dracula has always been consistently one entity.Geedubs somewhat invented the whole "full race of aristocratic gothic vampires living secluded from the rest of the world".So yeah, it's a copycat.Not just because they're vampires, but because there's many of them and they're posh as fuck.Looking at you, Castlevania.
>>722523912i bear astonishing news.
>>722523364>and now they write off the Jailer as just being insane.not enough. they should completely erase everything after Legion and start over
>>722524527>Shadowlands overrides every bit of lore about the afterlife except that it doesn't, because of a questline in BFA that repeatedly verifies that Shadowlands doesn't override any bit of lore about the afterlife. You can't expect WoW players to read quest text, though.What about all the afterlives we had literally seen up until that point which are essentially discarded?Hell, try making sense of the emerald dream bullshit for me real quick. Ursoc dies 10,000 fucking years ago and is chilling in the emerald dream for that entire time. He dies in the emerald nightmare raid and then goes to ardenweald? Meanwhile Ysera dies and goes to the emerald dream in legion, only to just decide to go to ardenweald immediately? Why the 10,000 year time lag for ursoc? Why do powerfully nature aligned beings go to the emerald dream in the first place if they're supposed to go to ardenweald?Odyn literally built an afterlife for the vrykul, complete with a hell ruled over by helya. But also he knows all about the shadowlands and says nothing at any point. he literally lost his eye to the jailer and never mentions it. We watch the naaru take someone into the light. But then it turns out paladins and shit just go to bastion? Also the naaru are completely outside of the shadowlands influence, so much so that them showing up in force permanently fucked a part of revendreth.Demons are just aliens that get resurrected by argus, but now that he's dead they ought to be going to the shadowlands. Else their souls are just bumbling around the twisting nether forever. Except we are literally told in shadowlands to send demons away when they show up.Literally NONE of the lore behind it makes any sense in context of every other afterlife thing we've ever fucking seen throughout the 20 years of this games patchwork of story after story and quest after quest.
>>722526131Has she been in time out long enough?
>>722526174>Why the 10,000 year time lag for ursoc?bear druids are notoriously retarded
>>722523364>and now they write off the Jailer as just being insane.QRD? I believe it but what did they say in the lore specifically about it?
>>722526131My kween
>>722522401Say what you will, but this was pathetic even by Blizzard's standards
>>722526345..you can suck anima straight out of me anytime
Every second I spent in Torghast was the worst possible use of my precious finite time on this Earth.
>>722526369Medizinen, jetzt.
>>722524063What do you mean? It was hinted at in WC3, the signs were clearly there, we just didn't understand at the time.
>>722526369Fuck I forgot about the crystal
>>722526425Yeah this was genuine torture. Apparently Torghast WAS supposed to give actual good item rewards besides the legendary recipes. But this was apparently too good of a way to gear in beta so rewards got gutted. The Maw itself is the shittiest zone of all time. They were so interested in making the players play in hell they forgot to ask themselves "would this be fun?"
>>722526425>Torghast is supposed to be a gaol that torments its victims>Blizzard makesTorghast torment you on a weekly basisI mean, wasn't that the whole point?
>>722526807This baffles me to no end. Not to glaze troontasy, but palace of the dead gives you actually valuable and vanity rewards, instead of gear. Why couldn't they make Torghast like that? That would solve any problems with too easy gearing with it while making it still worth playing.
>>722521323Neither Arthas or Ner'Zul were in control of the Lich King entity, it ended up being some bald guy called The Jailer who was also in control of the dreadlords and the burning legion and then ended up being in control of Sylvanas and the forsaken after Wrath of the Lich king.So Warcraft's lore up until Shadowlands has been the Jailer's forces fighting against the Jailer's forces.
What kind of stupid name is The Jailor anyway? I imagine a squat, grotesque goblin of a man with a large key ring in charge of a filthy medieval dungeon.
>>722526951My favorite part of Torghast was how you actually had to do it twice on a single character every week
>>722527216it was supposed to signify the ever c-AAACCKKK>falls from a generous flight of stairs
It was even worse seeing that the jailer was some gay robot warning of an even bigger threat. I FUCKING HATE GAMES THAT DO THIS SHIT, IT IMMEDIATELY MAKES ME THINK OF LOW QUALITY TRASH
>>722527216It was clearly J'lor.
>>722521323
>>722527216It's doubly stupid because he wasn't even called the Jailor until after he was...jailed
>>722527617In al fairness, he did have a proper name, "Zovaal" or some such.
>>722520742Anon, when you reach the point the lore is so bad fucking Forbes is shitting on it, you've reached the point where everyone agrees you fucked up. It's not a /v/ based contrarian take to say Shadowlands was a mistake. It's a mainstream opinion.
>>722527735When your head writer is a known consumer of interracial cuckold novels, that is a likely scenario.
>>722520742>tfw they'll never revive Starcraft and just keep focusing on WoW slopfuck you WoWfags
>>722526174All of those afterlives still exist. The Shadowlands is functionally a gutter for souls that aren't claimed by more immediate powers. Bwonsamdi makes this clear when he mentions he's been collecting as many troll souls as possible during BFA, because he knows there's bad shit going on with The Maw. Anyone with enough power over death can and does simply tell the Kyrians to fuck off, and the Kyrians fuck off. Kyrians have a WQ that confirms this, where you take the quiz they give to new members and the answer to "can you claim a lich?" is "fuck no, we can't do anything until the phylactery is destroyed." Ursoc was chilling in the Emerald Dream because he didn't feel like leaving. As soon as the furbolg started calling for him in WotLK, he came out, so he'd clearly been good to go already. There's nothing weird about his in-the-Dream death being more severe and requiring something greater to undo, either. That's standard for planar deaths. We can't compare Ysera's death to anyone else's because Elune personally reached down and grabbed her. That's not standard. There's no reason for Odyn to say anything about it. Why would he? Every other time we see him, there's a pressing crisis and it's not the time for him to talk about deals he made eons ago. All of the player characters charge into the Shadowlands shortly after the abductions. There's no time or reason for anyone to have gone to ask him at that moment, and as soon as we have a reason (from having found his captured val'kyr attack force in The Maw, which indicates he was just trying to handle it insularly), he's open to talking about it because now it actually has relevance.That some paladins get taken by the Light doesn't mean all of them do. We see plenty of nameless unimportant ones die and not get taken. The Light is and has always been fickle. Demons resurrect naturally; Argus was being used to speed up the process. No change.
>>722527120I can see why most of the community doesn't view SL as canon
>>722527120The first quest you get in Oribos is Bolvar saying "Yeah, there's a voice when you wear the helm, but you can just ignore it."
>>722520742I've always felt like Afrasiabi had a really cool concept for this expansion, and unfortunately for him and his Iranian ass he got cancelled halfway through development, forcing the suits to place Danuser in his stead who did an absolutely abhorrent job at making a good exposition for the expansion's concept, and still fanboying over Sylvanas for whatever reason his fat ass fucking nigger shit retard bastard deemed fit.Unironically I feel the J'lor was wasted as fuck, while I'm willing to bet the original idea was both less retarded and more nuanced.
>>722520742Yea they really wanted to copy ffxiv 10+ year long story and just made themselves look retarded. I honestly feel bad for people who cared about wow’s story
>>722526545kek
>>722520742it was so bad it cured my addiction i've been clean for 5 years
What ever happened to with the big bad the jailer was protecting us from? Did they ever show it or did they just can that story?
>>722531785it's probably the void and void = big bad ever since tbc (or aq if you want to be generous)
>>722520742Its ok when FFXIV does it
>>722529182visiting the afterlife is a terrible idea no matter how you slice it. even in the absolute best case scenarios you're still ripping away all mystique from the setting and creating infinite plot holes.
>>722531901There's also Sargeras. It's never been established how the fight with Illidan turned out since they've both been MIA since BFA. I have a feeling something will come up in Last Titan since Sargeras is linked to worldsouls.
>>722532702That's why maybe it wasn't the Afterlife with Afrasiabi, but an additonal realm bordering it.That'd explain Anima, the Maw and why theres random floating islands full of civilization around it.
>>722533314i really don't see it anon. shadowlands is about visiting the afterlife on a foundational level. NONE of the plot elements make any sense if it's anything BUT the afterlife.they clearly just scrapped whatever expansion they had planned and switched to shadowlands instead, which is why it's retarded, half-baked, and entirely disconnected from both the previous and following expansions.
>>722526131I want to drink her boot sweat DESU
>>722523364genuinely they should just pretend shadowlands didn't happendon't bring it up, don't make the player go back there for any reason, never reference the lore introduced in that expansion for any reasonthe fanbase already treats it as non-canon, blizzard should quietly do the same
>>722534585Too late. Ve'nari sends you to Maldraxus to fetch necrorays for her bio-dome project in the current content patch.
>>722521323Blizzard tried to create their own Thanos boss, by saying that he was the cause of everything even though this was the first time he was ever seen/heard of.
>>722526131>RED EYES = EVIL>BLUE EYES = GOODwow thanks blizzard
>>722534585At this point if the next expansion just had the player character wake up on the Broken Shore with Tirion healing you and saying "Thank the Light, that bump to the head looked really nasty, you must have had some awful, incoherent dreams" I think everyone would consider it a huge win
>>722535270>that period of time where people were praying and coping that shadowlands was actually a n'zoth nightmare and he actually won
I only feel a profound apathy for the Warcraft universe nowadays.Which is a shame because I really liked it at some point.
>>722520742> 5 years later> wow is doing better than ever> FF14 is at one of its lowest pointsWhy does wow just refuse to be dethroned
>Reveal both Arthas and Sylvanas were manipulated by the Jailer into doing horrible things.>Redeem Sylvanas but not Arthas
Warcraft is proof that a simple, well-executed story (WC3) is infinitely better than a badly-executed "complex" story (anything by Danuser)
>>722535562i think for me the point when i realized that the fantasy universe i liked as a kid was well and truly gone and never coming back was dragonflightshould have been a real easy win, just make the big nautilus castle everyone remembers from the alpha leaksdidn't happenthen they did an emerald dream patch, which was a location everyone, especially druid players, have wanted since vanillaexpansion-worthy locationit's just another lame fucking patch island with basically nothing new or interesting going oni still play on and off when a new patch comes out but my excitement for the universe is long goneundermine was pretty cool but i don't expect anything as good as it again for a long time
>>722535784>final cutscene with Arthas present in any form (even if it is just his broken soul)>Uther and Jaina are both there but say absolutely nothing as Sylvanas monologues about how evil and awful Arthas was
People who continue to play wow after all these years are basically psychiatric cases of co-dependance with the game. It's all they know and the sunk cost is massive
>>722520742>Was so bad even Blizzard said sorryDid they?Shadowlands lore still exists and is still canon
>>722526131is that like a Jailer crossbow what is that shit ?
>>722535784its made explicitly clear than the jailer never compelled sylvanas or arthas, he barely knew arthas existed until he died and sylvanas herself said she served willinglyof course this is likely a backpedal by blizz but it is what is canon
>>722535970It's her brother's harp, who is in one of the new dungeonsPeople are taking it to mean a bard class hint, who knows
>>722535926Why? Can they simply not enjoy the video game for what it is? Not to mention, I doubt most current players are the same ones who played from the start, maybe some but not many
>>722526131>The titbeltsWhy?
>>722536242> how do quivers workare you retarded
>>722536242nomura consulted on character design
>>722535926there's no fucking sunk cost, i wish people would stop saying thatin order for there to be sunk cost, the things you have on your account would have to mean somethingthey don'tnothing you've earned in the 20 years the game has been live mean absolutely anythingnobody is continuing to play because they have a TCG mount or a challenge mode armor set or whatever, nobody fucking cares what cosmetics you have, there's no prestige to anythingthey add 100 more mounts and armor sets every expansion, nobody fucking cares that you have invincible, you can just go farm it on your ten alts every week until you get iteverything that actually matters - levels and gear - get reset every 6 months, and you have to earn it again. your old gear gets obsoleted, your characters have to be re-leveled. so there is no sunk cost. the time you wasted before playing the game doesn't add up to the time you play now. you have to start over every time you come back.
>>722536402Twenty years of your life playing the same game sounds like a pretty big sunk cost to me tho.
>>722536594Do you have any idea how small the amount of players who've been playing for that long is?Half of the people I raid with started after legion
>>722535867no girlboss can go to waste
>>722536594> playing fallout 3 is sunk cost> playing deus ex is sunk cost> playing most wanted 2005 is sunk cost> playing far cry is sunk cost> playing halo CE is sunk cost> playing morrowind is sunk costLIKE WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOU STUPID CUNT
>>722536802The /played
>>722536896as others have said, you massively underestimate how many newer players WoW hasI personally know people who started playing in dragonflight
>>722536896it doesn't matter how long you've been playing if you can just walk away at any time and when you come back the difference between you and a new player is minusculeyou may as well be talking about how you have sunk cost about super mario world because you beat it a couple times
>>722537005I'm not talking about "game mechanic" sunk cost.I'm talking about the inertia that keeps a player playing WoW despite them not really enjoying it anymore
While i agree that Jailer was an awful villain you can't deny that his armor looked sick as hell
>>722537168well that's not sunk cost now is itthey just like the game. it's unfortunate that it sucks now, but that doesn't mean it stopped being one of their favorite games. i'm sure you feel that way about something in your lifethey probably wouldn't feel like they were losing something if they were to quit except that they aren't playing one of their favorite games anymore. i suppose you could technically call that 'sunk cost,' but not how i think of it
>>722534741To be fair, that was to send us off on a quest to interact with one Marileth, of the few NPCs that I remember fondly from Shadowlands. I agree though, just forget that Shadowlands happened, don't send us there, don't reference it.
>>722537419That's the thing - it doesn't suck now unless you just hate wowThere's a reason it's the most played and no other MMO generates anywhere near as much traffic online
>>722520742WoD, Legion and Chronicles already completely shat on the setting beyond repair.Anyone bitching about Shadowlands ruining everything is just a Warcraft 3 baby
>>722537960how much do they pay you, shill?Can't be more than a few pennies per post
>>722536334Quivers are supposed to be worn on the hip.
>>722526369I want to say the Jailer's armor next to Zenos is just coincidence but holy shit that's not a good look side-by-side
>>722526240Jaina's timeout was a single year after they put her on the naughty shelf at the start of Legion.Sylvanas has been gone for 2 expansions and in universe 10 years thanks to time skip shenanigans. So about the same real time break they slapped on Wrathion when they shelved his characer.Of course for Sylvanas it really doesn't matter, cause no matter when they try and bring her back Alliance fans are pissing and shitting themselves over her coming back, which they already are doing as we speak. So the devs might as well just rip the bandaid off.
>>722520742The dimensional realm bullshit that is Shadowlands is fucking stupid.Anytime that WoW has expansions around extra-dimensional bullshit is terrible.Keep it tangible like Azeroth.
>>722520742>Even Blizzard said sorryDid they? I figured they'd just declare that they're adding a new diversity quota for NPCs as a smokescreen to cover for some new union-busting or sex crime.
So midnight is looking like such a banger that /v/ has to dredge up a 5 year old expansion that everyone including blizz agrees was bad? Are you really this desperate to cry about wow in 2025?
>>722539074how long until the extremely blatant wave of "we're going home bros" wojak threads rears their head again
>midnight is looking like such a bangerfucking lmao, it's literal low effort trannyslop
>trannyslopBut enough about woke lemutt
Man i remember how badly Shadowbringers mogged on this. My WoWbuck cousin went red in the face once when he heard me and some friends talking about quitting WoW for FFXIV like fucking beet red. Good times.Well not good times for WoW this shit was sad and desperate and all on danuser and ion, but still.
>>722539610>hmm how can i make this about the objectively better written expansion from its direct competitorsit down ion
>>722521323>Exactly what happened?WoW players can't read.The lore is fine - it retconned nothing and expanded the universe.Blizzard's only crime was going too fast for the average WoW fan.I suppose Blizzard also contradicted a lot of YouTuber eCeleb headcanon that was never true, but you can't fault them for not being aware of that GayFaggot scene.When my MILF Sylvie burned all those tree elves alive for a petty reason and Reddit freaked the fuck out and claimed that wasn't in character, I knew the playerbase was shit - but Shadowlands cemented my attitude.
>>722539906And then xiv completely squandered its momentum and has released nothing but garbage for 3 years
>>722540026How did you feel when she suffered a breakdown upon realizing that working for the Jailer was a bad thing?
>>722522401Fun thing is that the Endsinger was also an asspull that wasn't hinted anywhere before Endwalker, but it was still an okay-ish end to the Ascian plotline overall.
>>722540093It did but what a time 2021 was. People actually thought there was an actual WoW killer and Blizzard panicked like i haven't seen them panic before or since. How many Rifts and Aions ever came close to that?
>>722540026Doesn't help that Blizzard can't even keep their own storylines straight and always try to change shit thanks to backlash.Teldrassil was a mistake, not because burning a tree younger than Anduin Wrynn was a bad thing. But because it gave the Night Elf fans a foot in the door and they've been chimping out ever since. Resulting in Blizzard trying to bend the knee to them time and time again. And now those autists write for the narrative
>>722540004>muh writingVideo GAME
>>722540220Endsinger does get the bonus that she's introduced early enough into Endwalker and has enough screentime that she's got build-up, on top of still indirectly being an Ancient fuckup at the end of the day, nevermind FF's previous love affairs with surprise final bosses like Necron or like Zemus suddenly exploding into Zeromus
>>722540220Technically there was stuff like Midgardsormer in HW talking about a "screaming from within the earth" that was later worked into being Dynamis and the Final Days. Wasn't planned to be her back then but there was always something planned for it.Like how in the final Cutscene for Crystal Tower the towers picking up a signal in morse code saying "Its all wrong".
>>722526545
>>722540305They burned teldrassil to force the dwindling playerbase into Stormwind. They told the writers to make up a reason after they decided to do it.
>wow will have released war within, midnight, and almost release last titan all while xiv is stuck in its worst expansion Grim
>>722540867>Square breaks glass on the 7 inspired expansion
iirc everyone thought the primus was going to be the real jailor in disguise instead there was no twist and they just didn't write an ending
>>722541027i believe that was literally the plot before rewrites happened after they got rid of afriasbi
>>722520742>15 years (up to that point) of lore from the games, books, trailers, etc thrown away by a boss you never heard of or even hinted at in the gamesBlizzard has been retconning lore since Warcraft 2, it was just worse than usual this time.
>>722525670>>722525446>>722525537i FUCKING LOVE VAMPIRESWOW NEEDS MORE VAMPIRESFUCK
>>722541117Elf expansion so San layn will be back
>>722541117Reminder Revendreth was a recycled zone scrapped from legion where the sanlayn and dreadlords hung out after wrath and enslaved night elf spirits. Denathrius was meant to be Sargeras' right hand man and would have killed Guldan and fought Illidan.
World of Warcraft? More like World of Windrunner
>>722541298QQ more orccuck
>>722541368>Windrunner fan>Brings up Orcs.Volumes.
>>722541017They broke that glass in 1.0 already it was called Bahamut, Nael van Darnus, the materia system and the Meteor Project
>>722541448>orccuck>cries about WindrunnerAs expected
>>722541608You're the one who brought Orcs up out of no where while crying about others seething.And brought them up to try and insist the game revolving around nothing but the Windrunners is a good thing.Maybe you should work on your expansion instead of seething about Orcs who live rent free in your head little bro
>>722541740You are the one who brought up Windrunners and are now butt boggled your precious in game niggers got sidelined for them
>>722541861Unironic Elven fanboy. Lmfao. Bet you go to bed with your Vereesa body pillow and thank Knaak every night for making her exist.
>>722541953Ragie ragie lil cuckboi it will do naught to change your reality that we are getting an elf expac and your goons go ignored
>>722541117>I can't play a Darkfallen Blood DK, even though Darkfallen customization options exist for Blood ElvesI'm mad.
>>722540471given the hint drops before Endwalker about some "sound" and the destabilization of their "creation magics" I was hoping it was something like a Lavos type of deal
>>722520742>accidentally create a kino character while destroying the lore>get rid of them in the first raid and dont do anything more with them
>>722543135He will be back
>>722543135gambate... varis...
>>722521323>Xal'atath needs to do vague hostile void thing because of... Dimensius!>Xal'atath needs to do vague hostile void thing because of... hostile light faction?>Xal'atath needs to do vague hostile void thing because of... the titans!
>>722544350So, she's Illidan with boobs and void?
>>722543135REMORNIA
>>722537292That shit looks incredibly generic and lame what the fuck are you talking about, if it looks like it could be a skin from league of legends you have fucked up
>>722545117If that big FFXIV comparison pic from earlier in the thread is accurate it's copying Zenos's silhouette from his armor in Stormblood, and Zenos was supposed to be evocative of FF1's Warrior of Light
>>722544630yeah, i guess so
>>722544350What the fuck is the void anyways
It died in warlords of draenor.Once you go time travel, you fucked up.
>>722545969Spriest goo. Old Gods like to swim in it.
>>722546008We've had time travel in vanillaWe've had multiple canon time travel interactions in every single expansion reallyHonestly WoD's lore and story wasn't even any bad because it was just a you get to see Outlands but not so fucking unfinished, in an expansion which was somehow even more unfinished than TBC
>>722546008The Bronze dragonflight was fucking around with time travel long before WoD, anon.
>>722546029Yeah but what even is all that, did they ever explain what the fuck is going on with the old gods and the void or are they still vaguely there to occasionally pop up and say haha I was influencing this raid! still
>>722546108we did NOT have time travel to that capacity in vanillathe bronze dragonflight was always able to bend time to their will, which they did in a few missionsBut the player character never actively timetravels
>>722546841As far as I know, it's thus:>Once, all creation was light>Some of the light went out>Void lords spawn in these dark areas>They decided they wanted to eat all existence so as to attain complete truth>To that end, they sneeze Old Gods onto planets from beyond reality to corrupt them>Endgame is to corrupt a titan worldsoul to make an evil titan that will unmake reality and let them in
>>722546008died in cata. they didn't think the game would last after blowing up the original world
>>722547242I thought was just Garrosh leaving the time portal open (probably because he killed the bronze dragon who actually did the time traveling) that let the Alliance and Horde counter-invade alternate Draenor.
>>722547406Retard, Wrath of the Lich King was the real end of WoW, that was culmination of TFT.
>>722547242There's a mission in WotLK where you straight up team up with your future self to rape some localized time travel monsters
Everything after WC3 TFT is not canon. It would be great if they just released WoW 2 and did a hard reset on everything. This means eliminating all current cosmetic and mount collections too.
>>722520742>Was so bad even Blizzard said sorryReally?
>>722547406idk, Cata was a bad expansion but the lore wasn't really that bad. TBC and Wrath did more damage to the lore but people glaze those because of nostalgia. the only really bad thing I can remember from Cata was making Thrall into Orc Jesus. Cata & MoP's faction war story was actually pretty solid, miles ahead of what we later got in BFA. the real point of no return for the story was Legion. they wrote themselves into a dead end. a confrontation with the Burning Legion and Sargeras should have been the very endgame for WoW. yes, Wotlk was the culmination of TFT so a lot of people will see that as the natural conclusion, but really Sargeras was the big bad that Warcraft lore had been building up to the whole time. they had to do it because they were losing people's faith, but they blew that wad too early. BFA was pretty bad too. faction war, Azshara and the naga, and the Old Gods were all plots that separately could have been their own expansion, but they wasted them all. after the double whammy of Legion and BFA throwing away all their major plot points, they had to start making shit up, and that's how we ended up with Shadowlands, Dragonflight, etc.
>>722539074How is TWW? i didn't really focus on anything outside of the 20th anniversary event. I heard it's extremely boring
>>722547616It was more less like time travel, and more like they manifested a bubble of reality from an alternate timeline (which also happened to be in the past).
>>722548836No. Apparently there was a closed-door presentation at the 2024 Game Developers Conference where they reviewed what went wrong with Shadowlands, and a Korean journalist leaked everything.
>>722548921Really good in terms of gameplay. Story is still pretty shit.
>>722527565I still lol at this shitshow
>>722521323nothing happened, just tourists pretending they know anything about wows story because an expansion sucked so every pseud on social media was eager to talk about how the story sucks all of a sudden like warcrafts story was some kind of fucking legendary example beforehand
