Will PC gaming ever make a recovery?
Realistically only if Nvidia gets a real competitor, because the current sitation lets Nvidia be as shitty as they please, and they are taking full advantage of it.
>>722521590When the AI bubble pops and video cards stop being so overpriced.
No. At first it was funny because laughing at poorfags being priced out of the hobby was nice, but now it doesn't matter whether I can afford an RTX 69420 XTX because everything runs like shit and is made for trannfaggots
>>722521590>Written by Rich EdmondsWhen will whites come up with their own gpus instead of bitching and moaning at the Taiwanese?
>>722521816That's just standard cracker mentality>"Pick more cotton!">"Hire more illegals!">"Bring more Indian international students!"White people have run out of ideas.
>>722521982Whites have ideas. There's going to be thousands of people on YouTube, Linus tech tips and gamers nexus running benchmarks to convince consoomers which gpu they need to waste their money on.
>>722521590No. Historically, things have never gotten better.
no. the future is subscription based cloud gaming using nvidia's hardware
>>722521741>When the crypto bubble pops and video cards stop being so overpriced>Immediately replaced with the AI bubbleIt's just going to get replaced with something else that uses GPUs
>>722521816>designed by jeets and yanks, >made with rare materials from around the world >in a factory run by islandchinks >with machines from the swampniggersAnyone against trade should be throw their electronics in the garbage none of this would be possible without global cooperation. If you really think the chinks could come up with the designs themselves or that america is competent enough to build a competitive fab you are retarded
>>722521741Lost technology effect will happen before then.Skilled workers who were the backbone will be gone but none of the necessity that made them will be left.
>>722522741>It's just going to get replaced with something else that uses GPUsMaybe, but for both crypto and AI gpus just happened to be the cheapest way to do all the calculations but they weren't the most efficient. Just like how crypto moved to ASICs, AI has moved to tightly integrated stream processors built for inferencing and it's just AI sloppa comfyui users pissing about with gpus. Currently the problem isn't really production of GPUs, it's pricing. AMD and nVidia have priced themselves where the majority of gamers are pissed, but the minority are paying so much that both companies are happy with the status quo.
>>722521590Fuck no. I've already ran back to console. Hate that I wasted thousands on a brick that can't even play the newest titles.
Maybe the chinks will finally get their shit together and steal enough know-how to flood the market
Thankfully Microsoft is killswitching all old pc’sSoon only phone operating systems playing Fortnite as they intended
>>722523119>Skilled workers who were the backbone will be gonein your hellhole, yes. places like taiwan, china, and korea make an active effort to maintain and even increase their skilled workforce instead of cheating numbers to make their DEI hires seem more competent than reality
I didn't read the thread but is there an iGPU yet that can run Sekiro at 60FPS with max graphics? Because I'll never buy a dedicated GPU again if that day ever comes.
>>722522741What even happened to Crypto? Don't you make as much money "mining" today than you did before?
>>722521701It helps that the nvidia and amd ceos are cousins who are both first citizens of the people's republic of china. They've boxed us into a lose-lose situation where neither company really needs to put out a worthwhile product but can still force people into upgrading anyways what with exponentially rising hardware requirements and planned obsoletion being the norm post-covid.
>>722524108>What even happened to Crypto?The government got involved.
I dont understand how first world country people (adult human males not streamers /influencers) choose to play on the fucking PC. Unironically.
>>722523218>play the newest titlesBut the only way to play the best games to ever exist (old console and arcade games) is through PC emulators.And you can get a good enough PC to do that for pretty cheap, too. No need to waste thousands on overpriced modern GPUs.
>>722525238what's hard to get? PC gaming is the most flexible and powerful form of gaming possible. i can play any game i want from any era, with any level of graphical fidelity or optimization. i could even do VR without any of the limitations of a mobile device or a console. the type of controls i have access to are unlimited. it's objectively the best experience when playing a game with zero comprimises.
>>722521590When AAA games stop selling and consoomers stop buying cards every year. They can force AAA devs to use fake frames and gaytracing all they want but if the games stop selling, they'll stop being made, and if they stop being made, there won't be any reason for consoomers to buy them anymore, other than muh AI genning.
>>722525489All your post sounds so third world.I can play videogames some hours during week end, luckly with some frens (and i'm privileged for this). Imagine doing videogames on a 24 something screen....seriously you must be a forever alone nigger or a third worlder.
>>722524025I'm pretty sure the Rx 8060s on the Ryzen Max+ 395 could, but it's pretty goddamn expensive and power-hungry.
>>722525918Oh, you're one of the retards who can't grasp that a PC can be connected to a TV.Lol.Lmao, even.
>>722525238Because they don't play the games adults want to play. Say I want to play an arcade shmup like Ikaruga or Dodonpachi or whatever. My only option, other than buying a big-ass old arcade machine, is to emulate it on PC. Say I want to play an RTS like Supreme Commander or Company of Heroes, I'll need a PC. Say I want to play some 7th console gen or earlier game. Odds are that if I buy a modern console, it will probably not run that game. I'll have to buy an old console. I'll have to buy multiple old consoles. Meanwhile a cheap PC will play all that, easy.I admit that I see the benefits of a console. It's so much easier to use. There's less bugs, less crashing, no hassle over fucking bullshit hardware setups and blue screens and whatever the fuck. I got countless hours out of my old Playstations and Xboxes and whatnot. But none of that counts for anything if it won't play what I fucking want to play. That's all there is to it.
>>722525918>Imagine doing videogames on a 24 something screenmost real gaymers do it on a 27 or 32 inch screen
/v/ gets mad as always, and I am playing My Time at Sandrock on my GTX 970 and feel good man.
>>722521590>still rocking my 3080there's no reason to ever upgrade....
>>722524108Probably still there, but not worthy for the average Joe. Only usefull for those who have mining farms with like 50 or more gps mining at the same time
>>722521590Even if 5090 was $600 it wouldn't change anything. There are few good games worth the time.
>>722521590>Nvidia is killing everything>AyyyMD is ran by his cousin and shockingly never try to compete with Nvidia on anything
>>722526506Same, but all i do is emulate, play h games and skyrim anyway.
As long as the alternatives are worse, it doesn't really need to.
>>722525238Only poorfags and browns play on consoles.
>>722525238pcs are for high iq people
>>722525918are you retarded? you can play with friends on pc as well, with any screen. how smooth is your brain, nigger?
>>722524108mining gets slower and slower as more coins are mined, eventually it becomes no longer worth the cost of running the operationmore so for individuals and smaller operations
AMD is working hard to unfuck things, but it does require people to BUY their shit. Being $100 cheaper and comparable performance often with more VRAM isn't enough to get troglodytes to not pay the Nvidia tax because of some hypothetical edge case will justify them keeping doing the same bullshit. >>722524108The short answer is no, crypto is rarely predicated on mining and like everything else lolbertarians claim is going to give them FREEDUMB its actually an excuse in most cases to scam people in ways that would be illegal if you were using real money. The only people who make money from crypto in an active manner are those that have a fuckload of money and/or are already 'in the club. In the former, if you're the size of a foreign gov't you can buy tons of miners for thousands each (not even GPUs, but often ASICs) and stick them in a warehouse where energy is basically free. Even a few years ago you weren't able to just turn a single GPU into something akin to decent money unless you got very lucky trading a rugpull shitcoin for one of the first-rans.
>>722525238>mods>emulation>can be far cheaper if you're poor and want something cheap>can be far more expensive if you're rich and want the best of the best>moonlightIt's just better in almost every way, it was better for the latest aaa sloppa for a while there, but given the woeful state of every new UE5 port consoles have taken that particular crown back tl;dr: if you want to just play whatever new aaa game is the new thing™ then consoles are fine, but if you want to play any other vidya then PC is just better
>>722521590There is no need for recovery, it's all fine, just develop some taste in games, and problem solved.
>>722525238I didn't want to pay for online before. Now that I have to pay the internet bill and I'm stretching every dollar as far as it'll go before it tears in half, now I want hangings for """people""" that think I'd be happy to shell out for up to half what I already pay those cocksuckers at the ISP for the hookup in the first place.
I did my part by buying an AMD GPU this year
>>722527843What did you get?
>>722521701>Realistically only if Nvidia gets a real competitorNo, even when AMD has a card that beats or competes with Nvidia's flagship, it barely sells. Nvidia has the market by the balls thanks to all the money they put on developers to adopt their proprietary bullshit as back as Physx, making AMD's offerings look like you're getting an incomplete experience.
>>722525238Are you poor or something?
>>722524108>What even happened to Crypto?all the powerful coins switched to proof stake instead of proof of work and gpus were no longer needed or in the case of bitcoin much more specialized things (ASICs) came out that surpassed gpus for number crunching. also as more and more people jumped on the bandwagon the difficulty of mining anything kept increasing exponentially.
>>722527269nvidia just cornered the market by pushing their own sloppa frames and raytracing solutions. AMD ones are just worse and/or a lot of games don't support them. I would know as ayymed user. It's fine if you just want to throw more power on older games or play ones where it's not a thing, but if you want to play cutting edge modern games you are strongly pushed into nvidia. I mean it will still run like shit with all that proprietary tech but you will need it to even get to the bare minimum of performance and it seems games are done this way on purpose.
>>722528002>No, even when AMD has a card that beats or competes with Nvidia's flagship,That never happened, they have the same price, same ram, same specs and less features.And the CEO work for nvidia so they're never going to try to beat them
>>722521787So much this. It was funny at first but now I just want things to go back to normal.
>>722528314Nvidia has never met a proprietary tech they didn't love to lock down, but the AMD ones aren't "worse" for 99% of the time especially with the latest generation. FSR4 and even FSR Redstone (which will be released soon) are capable of parity experience to DLSS at least in term of image quality and Redstone will have not just single but multiframe options too. >cutting edge modern gamesThat's the thing, a lot of it is Nvidia throwing money around and shitty optimization on stuff like UE5, but for the vast majority of games you'll get an equal or better experience with an AMD 9000 series GPU , except like... trying to run native res (no DLSS, no FSR etc) path traced titles or something. Of course, on anything but the absolute highest end NV cards, you can't do this with any performance either - you need a 4090 or 5090 to run maxed everything 4K and maybe, maybe get above 30-60 frames last I checked. However most people are not trying to do that yet still buy a 5070 or 5060 or whatever with less VRAM that will never be able to do that anyway etc. A lot of it is edge cases and Nvidia marketing that isn't representative, but the actual benefits of AMD can be pretty decent even when they do a good job (ie their support of FOSS Linux drivers and even FSR4 being FOSS etc)
>>722521701Never happening as long as cuda dominance remains.
>>722529750Other than Blender and AI, what else are the uses?
>>722529072>Of course, on anything but the absolute highest end NV cards, you can't do this with any performance either - you need a 4090 or 5090 to run maxed everything 4K and maybe, maybe get above 30-60 frames last I checked. However most people are not trying to do that yet still buy a 5070 or 5060 or whatever with less VRAM that will never be able to do that anyway etcThat's the thing isn't it. It's not actually a great experience on the top end and mid-range effectively can't run those anyway but people want to cope they could do that even if they aren't actually going to use it either. Nobody is going to buy into the brand that can do less.
>>722529942>Other than {productive work} and {the biggest use of GPUs both at consumer grades and in enterprise}, what else are the usesYou got me beat anon. AMD will surely win.
>>722530281It was an actual question
ai is not about amd winning, its about every other tech giant making their own in house chips. openai is already with broadcom making their own. google is on the 6th generation of their own tensor chips. nvidia themselves know its only a matter of time because everyone is tired of sucking their dick.
No there are a lot of retards still worship Nvidia.
>>722529750you don't even know what a cuda is, you dumb faggot. you just read tweet and think you're an expert now.
>>722521590No, lol. AI bubble would need to pop and that's just not possible.
>>722521590Intel was the only hope and they have been subverted by Nvidia. At this point I'm convinced even china semiconductors will be controlled by nvidia
>>722532569>bubbles can't pop- it's impossible!Are you really that retarded?
>>722532686not him but I think that AI is in a dotcom era where even if it 'pops' it'll resurge because the underlying aspects of the tech are too useful even if people are currently retarded about it
>>722521590>Nvidia is making gaming worse>Not drvs hiring fucking saars from UE5 crash coursesSo, it's Nvidia problem?"JUST give us 48gb of vram for 6060 or smt" is not an argument. You just give retarded devs more room for incompetence.
>>722521590No pc will be playing second fiddle to AI development. AI will increase the price of memory too. On thr bright side efforts will be put towards making processors more energy efficient so we may be getting more handhelds
>>722532785Now that is an entirely reasonable statement.
>>722528002>nooo the world is just unfairThere are 2 issues with what you are saying: #1 AMD doesn't have that card, #2 having one good card among 30 shitty ones is not enough to build your reputation back up. Needs more than a lucky hit to regain consumer confidence.
>>722532859>tfw VRAM sizes rocket while no one sees any difference in graphics over the last ten years
Pc games are cs2, lol, and indie games. Shit like that console ports are meant for consoles. If playing them on pc is subpar then buy a console and shut the fuck up
>>722525238Because it's the best platform for people who want, quality, choice and control over what they are playing?
>>722533123Huh? VRAM capacity is 8GB or less for vast majority of players.We had cards with 8GB a decade ago.
>>722533123Nah, it's even worse now. 10 years ago "ghosting" was nonexistent. And you can turn off any-AA back then. Now you get built-in TAA with ghosting, blur etc.
>Modern games play like shit on my 3060>4/5070 is £500 minimum ngl I'm half tempted to just grab a PS5/XSX, are console also pushing the whole AI frames thing as well?Games are just coming out half cooked on PC with the devs just saying >works on my machine :^)
>>722533589no, not really. at least not as much as pcs. it would take a 5090 to match a base ps5 these days
>>722533589Anon, those same games would run just as "well" on your new console.Those boxes are old at this point.
>>722521741>i-its a bubble humankind never progressesQuote from increasingly nervous luddite for the millionth time
>>722532686I exaggerated a little but my thinking is basically what >>722532785 said where even "popped" the hardware will be so in demand we won't have appreciable price decreases and and availability. Then again TSMC is building more fabs or w/e those factories are called so maybe they'll finally have enough space that there wont be such scarcity in a few years.
Issue is devs are just using frame interpolation completely wrong, it's not there to get you to 30fps it's there to get you from 106fps to your PC's 120 refresh rate.
>>722533589>are console also pushing the whole AI frames thing as well?Sony's trying to with their PISSER tech on the 5 Pro.
>>722523218>he plays modern gamesReddit is down the hallway, friendo
>>722533891Its getting its own custom FSR 4 type in May I think, probably for GTA 6
>>722521590>blaming nvidia or amdHow about blaming fucking dev studios who all go for unreal slopgine and can't even use it properly to begin with huh? Did Nvidia and AMD forbid them from making their own engine? Did they force them to outsource the game to 10 different studios at once, half of them being in mumbai?
>>722521741What happens when the "bubble" still hasn't burst after 10 years with no signs of it bursting even then?
>>722534130Blame publishers they are cutting costs and trying to squeeze as much money out of our pockets.Also blame normalfags for buying this garbage. You can't simply blame one group without shitting on the others.
>>722521590https://www.xda-developers.com/nvidia-is-making-pc-gaming-worse-amd-isnt-saving-us-either/Link your articles, you goon
>>722525238What do you mean? It's the opposite, if you have money you have access to much better hardware with PCs, you can even use joysticks if that's the thing you want.Consoles are stupid market cornering machines, any consumer supporting them are actual morons, it makes no sense.
>>722521590There's no point spending more than ~300 bucks on a gpu, it'll last you for like 5 years easy because graphics have already hit diminishing returns hard and resolutions above 1440p are pointlessStop falling for marketing and FOMO
>The hardware requirements for making games that look good in HD were basically met in 2005>These days if you need 100GB of vram and 400 terashits per gigafart to run the game it's almost guaranteed the game sucks given how much sunken cost has to go into making games run that shit
You dont need to play the latest ue slopYou dont need to play the latest slop on ultra settingYou dont need to play the latest slop in 240fps since your eyes cant see that much of a framerate anywayAnd the most important of them allYou dont need to consoom the latest slop in the first place. Only irl soijaks did that thing because they are consoomer fomo slop
>>722521590Seems I got AMD kino at their peak 9800x3d b650e 96gb and 7900xtx9070xt was a downgrade and I don't see zen 6 being a magical upgrade neither
>>722534673Don't bother I've been screaming this for a decade or more
>>722534673I'm not even sorry for the normalfags at this point.They are making gaming worse for everyone involved.I have so many games to play I can't keep up.I should stop shitposting and play some games instead.Video games are free.
>>722534673>upgrade to 4070ti to get +4gb for generating anime girls>still emulate ps2 games and play stuff that I could run at 4k on my older GPU>now I want a new gpu because 12gb isn't really enough to generate videos of anime girlsthis is what peak PC gaming looks like folks
