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>>722535392Top row are not really representative of their medium.Bottom row is however, by virtue of there being way less EVNs, and the proclivity for female characters to be written like raging cunts by western writers.
bottom is much more entertaining
>>722535392>sincere expression of the medium by the people who created itgood>annoying white people making ironic shit with occasionally fappable charactersbad
>>722535392westerners paint it as it iseasterners paint it as it should be
>>722535392>trying to paint Monika as an insane yandere>even putting fucking blood on her face and hands for no reasonMissed the point award
>>722535392Bottom is more of a deliberate twist on jap VNs because there wasn't really a equivalent native to the west that would be played straight.Also it's not like there aren't eastern VNs that are dark or ironic.
>>722535392at least with bottom row you'll never get bored
>>722537796>Made two other girls kill themselvesShe knows they're not "real" but they are in her reality
>>722535392I know the top center girl is a whore but what about the other top two?
>>722538873I'll never understand the appeal of this trash. What is it with Japan and so many VN's and hentai games revolving around cartoonishly whorish girls and NTR garbage?
>>722539126Don't worry about it goy. Just keep consuming porn.
>>722538762Objectively true, but not really subjectively observable to her since she recognizes herself as not "real" either. Furthermore, even after she gets desperate and deletes fucking everything, she still is never mentioned as feeling anything except a little guilty that she got rid of themShe's simply not a stereotypical yandere who revels in her insanity. She's just someone caught between an existential rock and a hard place, trying for nothing more than to find some copium
>>722535392The west can never stop subverting tropes eh? Have they ever made a sincere VN instead of trying to bash on its conventions?Other than Katawa Shoujo
>>722539273Yandere can feel guilt over that they've done, they just keep doing it anyway because they have problems
where's Aoko you fucking turbofaggot?
>>722539219I really don't anymore because of this garbage infesting every part of it now. Every VN now is either harem or NTR, and I hate both. At this point I've just completely switched to SillyTavern. I've always hated actual porn too for how genuinely evil that entire industry is.
>>722539126I don't mind porn but I hate how common cuck shit is.
>>722539126the vn is meta and this character is supposed to induce disgust so you never ever pick her over the perfect waifu alternative
>>722539574There is no hope for anyone who gets off to this.>>722539586Still doesn't change the fact that NTR shit has ruined an entire genre at this point.
I just read moegeAnd the west is incapable of such things
>>722535392Where's Kuristina!? You are probably a transgender.
>>722539586Whys it being "meta" change anything? It's just a retarded excuse to have cuck shit. That's all the sonico guy does now.
>>722538873One of the bitches from clannad and that edgy yuuji vn
>>722538873Top left is Kyou from Clannad. Her little twin sister has a crush on MC so she helps the two get together but she also likes him, so she ends up stealing him from her. Also she's the best girl of the game.The other is Amane from Grisaia. She's a smart and quirky maid type character who does anything people ask her to do. Notably from her background is that she got institutionalized because she set her old school fire because someone asked her to make tests go away.
The Coffin of Andy and Leyley isn't even a VN, it's closer to RPG Maker games like The Witch's House, Ib or Corpse Party, and it isn't a parody or an ironic take on them.
is the joke that they're all insane?
>>722540030Amane's the redhead
>>722537418The sincere expression of Eastern VN are woman who actively make you clean out their cunts of their lover's semen? Could you name the three VNs in the top of the OP for the class anon?
>>722535392Also you posted basic bitches only on the top row. Better Japan VN characters.
>>722539725There's thousand of vanilla VNs out there. Why get so mad about NTR?
For me, it's Making Lovers, Futamata Ren'ai and Denikeri
>>722540213They're the most common I come across when looking for new VN's or even hentai games in general, it's annoying. There's other shit I don't like in VN's and such too, like harem or rape, and I usually don't even like VN's that don't allow custom names for the protag, but NTR is insanely common lately. I also generally hate how prominent it is because I think it's going to do a ton of damage to the current generation.
>>722540576Anon, follow the "big name" VN companies that only do vanilla stuff then. Stop browsing randomly.
>>722540030I remember wanting to read Grisaia since it looks fun but heard it just gets into melodrama and edgelord slop.
>>722540576Its already done a whole number. NTR is literally the most popular tag on h-sites most likely (haven't checked but you can do the research for scientific purposes), not only that they are using NTR as a plot device for regular novels, manga and shit right now for "shock value" when its just... Not shocking or creative, its just porn pretending to not be porn at this point because of censorship losing them money.
>>722540736Grisaia's "fun" part is the melodrama edgelord slop though? It tries hard like Berserk to be edgy.
>>722540284Actually playing games?? Get out of this board.
>>722539586>clothed sex scene>perfectLol lmao even
>>722539914>NTRshit>moege
>>722540819what game is this?
>>722539574Its hard being a totonofag and pretend to actually have arguments to defend this shit. I still chose her ending btw
>>722540982You can't trick mePlus her route was weirder for what happens after anyway.
>>722541073Emily is away
>>722541073emily is away
>>722541073emerly35 is away
>>722541074There is no defending it. You just like a ntr cuck slop porn vn.
>>722539126>>722539574>>722541074>>722541512That girl is a shitpost aimed at purityfags. She is the embodiment of all heroines your protagonist bumps and dumps before moving on to the next. It just shows how pathetic you are to care about the purity of a 2D girl who’s being used by a bunch of other guys who aren’t you.
>>722541765Kill yourself.
>>722541765What about potential corruption ultra-whores like Karryn?
>>722541836Struck a nerve? Go self-insert as Takeshi39, fuck four different "pure" girls, then uninstall and move on to Takeshi40.
>>722541765I thought it was more about you the one putting her though it. She is the heroines you played after all. I thought Miyuki was the shot at purityfags, MIYUKI FALLING FOR ANOTHER MAN NO I DON'T WANT THAT I WANT HER TO THINK ABOUT ME ONLY EVEN IF I PICK ANOTHER GIRL
>>722541968Your cuck slop vns "meta" twist was done better in DDLC which is why it did well people actually talk about that game and the only reason anyone ever talks about totono is to mention the mc slurring another mans cum out aoi.
The only people that like the bottom row are brazilians with small cocks and big stomachs.
>>722541765Cuck detected, opinion discarded.
>>722542235lol, lmao even
>>722540576Are you sure its not a you problem anon?Its like complaining about coming across gay shit all the time.Look in the mirror for once.
>>722542259Other than Ashley and Leyley which is a white approved shock horror VN. Its quite dark and full of dry humor non-whites wouldn't appreciate tbfh.
>>722542437retard
>>722537796This
>>722542437lolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UorUNLUnuk
>>722542529brazilians are honorary whites
>>722542471>brown got mad.keep the cope up.
>>722542617honorary jeets*
>>722542437Andy and Leyley is just for BPD women
>>722542635Some obese Brazilian murdered his parents because they wouldn't let him fuck his sister. Heavily inspired by your shitty satanic VN. It's deep rooted forever with brazilian turd worlders forever.
>>722542617Brazilians perhaps, but definitely not that crazy person. Clearly not white behavior.
>>722539273>She's simply not a stereotypical yandere who revels in her insanityDidn't she write a bunch of stories about killing people?
>>722542724>Muh video games cause bad shit IRL.Instead of:>Unchecked mental illness and failed parenting causes bad shit IRL.There's the issue low IQ jew. How many violent homicides did Mortal Kombat cause? Right.
>>722542724Wasn't it that he knew some other girl over the internet and they got wrapped up in the game or something
>>722540104Right, Amane's the big tit slut who won the survivor game. Sachi's the maid.>>722540736The common route of the first Grisaia was one of the best reads I've ever had on a VN, it's super chill and fun. Yeah, the actual plot they get into is edgelord but it's not THAT bad.
>>722542851No, her stories are about wishing she was real and that someone would save her
>>722542959The common route in Grisaia is way too long, but I guess it's ok if you like the humor.
>>722542924Not only that, they were way underage, they shouldn't have been playing the said game either way. You have to be 18 or over to view adult materials and this doesn't only apply to porn, it also applies to explicit gore and unsettling horror elements found in the said Visual Novel. It's easily a rated R-17 if it were a horror flick.
>>722543117Oh yeah I remember thinking "holy shit I've been reading the entire day and I didn't even get to any routes yet" but I was having so much fun that I didn't mind it.
>>722539574>WE MUST BE>BETTER MEN*Slurps the cum out of her pussy*
>>722542401Browsing websites or VN's and sorting by newest uploads and seeing cuck shit all the time is somehow my fault?Yeah, that's not how it works, you gaslighting faggot.
>>722543230Correct application of the meme anon. NTR is just fucking degenerate as it comes.
>>722543230Why does this line cuck the /v/igger so?
>>722543307
>>722543271>sorting by newest uploadsThere's your problem.
>>722542635Whites don't have culture though
>>722539574not NTR, it's literally a girl with dick, why are you posting this without context
>>722543117I got to near the end of her route where the mc tried to pressure her into sex and dropped it. What a shitty protag.
>>722543230Gross.
>>722543378I just posted about white culture though.
>>722543042Don't you get raped by a D-class hispanic twice your sise while she watches? I don't get why'd you play this
>>722543459Oh right family fucking my bad
>>722543354>>722543271Never sort by new release.Worse mistake of my life.
For me it's Soviet VNs
>>722543572HATSUNE MIKU?
>>722543380I'm confused, I don't know anything about this game. Are you saying it isn't NTR because the girl somehow fucked herself with her own dick, or she was fucked by a futa and that somehow means it isn't NTR? The fuck are you talking about?
>>722543528there should be a way to ban specific developers from your feed. That's some worthless AI slop.
>>722543478I don't think you are replying to the right person
>>722543609She gets fucked by a trap anon is coping
>>722543383I think he's really good, he has great chemistry with the girls. Maybe try other routes or something.
>>722543609if anything the MC got cucked by that slut stealing the cute trap from him
>>722535392I can fix bottom right.
>>722543649Is it really NTR if its a trap?
>>722543609Its a tranny who thinks traps are trannys therefore he thinks its a girl.
>>722540736Grisaia never took itself seriously, so the 'edgelord' stuff is fun.
>>722543786You really are gay if you unironically read that shit.
>>722543380Anon please stop embarrassing us totonofags
>>722543809IS THAT A NIPPLE
>>722543821Ooe is better than your favorite game tho
>>722543864Bro the mc eats cum the bar is in hell
>>722543885maybe
>>722540643>if you don't like me taking over the whole market of your stuff, just don't go exploring for new stuff and only look at stuff by a few devsFaggot
>>722543886Only remotely cool gay shit (due to Yujiro Hanma's involvement etc) was Baki though because how ridiculous that shit went with the rule of cool.
>>722540030>KyouI literally dropped Clanned during her route when it made me cheat on Ryou just to start dating her and I felt bad.If this makes me a gigantic faggot then so be it.It was especially sad for me since Kyou was the route I wanted to do the most after Misae
>>722542959Makina is the funniest character.
>>722544145It's a porn market, purityfaggotry is a niche for the vocal minority tourists. Nukige and NTR make money because they're better for jerking off, yes.
>>722543786>the broken ESL engrish is the cherry on top
>>722544161The entire point of her route is that she tried to put her sister ahead of her own wants but she loved MC too much. Also Ryou was such a bad character. They purposely made her as bland as possible to make you want to switch to the cool older sister.By the way, if you didn't know already, but you CAN choose to not cheat on Ryou and stay with Kyou. If you do this, you get a proper ending but you don't get a ball of light. And you do get a ball of light from cheating on Ryou to get with Kyou.What this means within the context of Clannad is that Ryou is a bad end and Kyou is a good end. Because you need the dragonballs to revive your dead family at the last route.
>>722544276>If you aren't a cuck, you're a purefag and a tourist!
>>722544276>they're better for jerking off>trying to enforce a fucking meta on fapping to justify your own faggotryFAGGOT
>>722544276It used to be purityfaggotry was the thing in the 90s and 00s. The MC was supposed to be the one dicking the chicks nobody else unless it was an Otome game. NTR was always a degen fetish. I won't mind a female MC who's basically the bimbo slut/town bike but regular NTR shit is just fucking annoying. It tries to be something that it isn't (edgy/smart.) The fact that I've seen some isekai manga with fucking NTR tropes tossed into its pages tells you something about its slop nature.
>>722544405It's weird to think Clanned would support cheating of all things.
>>722544405You know it's fucking weird to me so called vanilla does this. It is supposed to make me happy a girl picks me over her sister it's fucked up
>>722544558>>722544161Pussied out by not making you fuck both twins at the same time.
>>722544405So NTR?
>>722537418something tells me you loved this one
>>722544405Female getting NTR'd with another female sleeping with MC instead isn't the same as the MC getting NTR'd by another guy taking their bitch. There's probably term for it.>>722544427>Tourist.That right there is just leftist politicalwank terminology to try and push their own degeneracy onto others as if its the key part of the medium. Its funny because the ones that do that are usually midgets with low self esteems that would rope if they got rejected once.
>>722544405Yeah I didn't really like Ryou too much but I still felt like shit 'cheating' on her. Even though she's not real.>By the way, if you didn't know already, but you CAN choose to not cheat on Ryou and stay with KyouHuh I don't remember that being an option available to me.
>>722544704>Female getting NTR'd with another female sleeping with MC instead isn't the same as the MC getting NTR'd by another guy taking their bitch. And you'll explain why that is, right?
>>722535392Fuck western deconstructions, fuck deconstructions in general, fuck moege.Where's my chuunige/mechage!?
>>722544686>This product is not fixtured with a hymen.okay, that one got me.
>>722544469It just is. Seeing a depraved girl with a hot body being degenerate does more for your dick than seeing a big bug eyed girl in boring slice of life. That shit is just cute and good for the heart, but not good as porn, well, maybe you’d like it if you’re a white knight who respects women and isn’t a porn addict.>>722544492>It used to be purityfaggotry was the thing in the 90s and 00sNo, it never was. VNs were filled with used goods all the time, purityfaggotry started with the moefication of VNs.
>>722544506>>722544558The characters in Clannad are flawed people. And it wasn't that bad, the MC properly breaks up with Ryou after the rain hug scene, if I remember right.>>722544628I have never heard someone claim Kyou's route is any form of NTR. She liked MC before, she just changed her mind about how much it mattered to her.>>722544762You absolutely can choose to stay with Ryou but, like I said, it's a bad ending.Later in the story they introduce a male character that gets together with Ryou. meaning, she gets her own personal love story. What they tried to convey is that Kyou was the right girl for you, Ryou had her own soulmate elsewhere.Nobody called it netorare, mostly because literally nobody ever felt emotionally attached to her. She's just a plot device to get to Kyou.
>>722544802Its a masculine power trip vs being a beta bitch. Not sure how the Japanese would term it other than carnivore vs vegan.
>>722544704>There's probably term for it.As far as I know it's still netorare. Only english has different terms for genders getting cuckolded (female is a cuckquean). I still think its ridiculous how much modern discourse has been poisoned though with people calling "a girl I like but am not dating choosing someone else" as cucking but that's neither here nor there.Clannad is actually netorare if you do that though since you start dating Ryou, two time her with Kyou so you're dating both before being stolen by Kyou and breaking up with Ryou.
>>722535392Is class of 09 worth playing for the story?
>>722544870Which was right around in 90s and 00s.>My waifu is perfect, she's always (insert age here.)>My waifu is perfect, she'll always remain virgin.You forgot that huh?
>>722544946We have terms like Mother/Sister NTR, what did you expect from these lunatics.
>>722544704>>722544802>>722544931Reverse NTR is what they call it. Places like sadpanda make a distinction with fale: netorare and female: netorare.The term ntr gets through around way too much, it doesn't mean what people think it means. It explicitly means cuckold fantasies. If explicit cuckoldry isn't involved, it's just plain old cheating.
>>722544946Isn't it Netorase if they enjoy watching without bad feelings so to speak unlike Netorare where its your MC literally roping the next second they get cucked or attempt to?
>>722544902Wow I'm surprised she ends up with another dude usually the girls die alone in vns. I just remember the anime and the hilarious meltdown scene during the tennis game
>>722544802this shit is just comical. i legitimately can't read something like this without laughing with a hint of pity for the poor sap who gets off on it
>>722539376>subverting tropesNothing they did was anything unique though. There was already popular Japanese VN for every Western hit.
>>722544870>trying to conflate regular hot chicks with the ntrshit plague so your faggotry is retroactively justifiedTRIPLE FAGGOT COMBO
>>722545095https://vndb.org/c15854This character is entirely absent from the Anime. His purpose is to get together with Ryou, that's it.
>>722545095Nagisa wasn't even supposed to be the main chick in Clannad it was the girl you meet serving coffee... That somehow doesn't make too much of an appearance in the anime.
>>722544902You webm literally jokes about it....
>>722537307Nah, it really isn't.Let me guess what slop it'll be>oooh it's the Japanese thing but subversive in a HORROR way!Lame as shit.>oooh it's the Japanese thing but subversive in a TWISTED way!Lame as shit.>oooh it's the Japanese thing but subversive in a HATE YOU way!How about you fuckers stop sticking your fat hook noses in the jap market? They own it and they're keeping it, maybe if you tried making your own shit you'd probably land a successful franchise you dick.Wait, you can't. You're genuinely incapable of creative and unique thought. Hiring self loathing emos is what doomed the vidya industry. Should've killed yourselves when you had the thoughts imo.
>>722539574niggers think this is the greatest VN ever btw
>>722545252Kyou IS a homewrecker. But it's later established that both girls were at fault. Ryou knew all along that her big sister liked the MC too, yet she asked her to help Tomoya notice her. She knew she was going to hurt Kyou by asking.It's not purely a matter of one wronging the other.
>>722545005Bro Doukyuusei was the genre defining game that started dating sim self-insert waifuism at the time and one of the heroines is literally a prostitute. Nobody cared and it became a huge success.
>>722545086Netorase is swinging yeah, in which all participants are okay with the sex/relationship. Basically the '60s carkey parties or a menage a trois for a longterm thing.Netorare is cuckoldry, ie a partner being stolen from you.There's a third word that nips use but I don't remember that one.
>>722545296Its the Chinese that love it the most. The NTR stuff that is. That's why they get so super mad and paranoid about muh gacha waifu #23123123 dared to talk to another man that wasn't the MAIN CHARACTER!? REEEE!!!!
>>722545405Netorase: Destiny.Netorare: Being Indian in west.
>>722545405Netori which is stealing someone lover
>>722545492?
>these japs are all so weird bruuu why they keep making NTRshit heeee i don't understand i'm brownwhy are westoid ironic weebs like this?
>>722535392need mentally unstable gf
ITT: Cucks arguing over what makes a cuck.
>>722545665Destiny, that leftist commentatorbro who constantly shared his bitch with other dudes (also blacks.)>Literally on stream playing videogames/talking to chat.>His chick doing shit in the background with some other guy.>>722545648Right that one was also a term. Yeah, that's the shock horror version. A miracle nobody made a NTRi'd so I got reincarnated in another life type of isekai after taking my life manga yet considering the cesspool that is current manga/novel industry.
>>722545879I guess NTR trap counts?
>>722541765I think you're too retarded to understand the point of totono, imbecile.
>>722545963not into traps/yuri so wouldn't know.
>>722545296ant-white anti-western subhumans like you should be full body degloved while hanging from your ankles.
>>722545879Why the fuck would I know about some streamer
>>722546262He gets spammed constantly on 4chan to make fun of cucks regardless of board as long as he's relevant.
>>722545315It is thoughbeit
>>722535392the joke is they're all schizos
>>722545392NTAVN in the 90s were all about seeing girls getting fucked. It didn't matter if it was the protagonist, a bunch of old dude or a tentacle monster.The dating sims evolved from making girls you would want to fuck to girls you would want to marry. It's an improvement. Games about prostitutes, NTR and monsters still exist, they are nukiges.
>>722542959Grisaia was one of my fav vn's I remember downloading the tl from tlwiki the day it releases not knowing what I was getting into, but it really turned out to be one of my fav vn's never could get my self to read the other two in the franchise as I've always been scared it would ruin my love for the characters.
>>722541765>it's good because it's bad... on purpose!
>>722546804Anon is a retard who missed the point of totono. It's not a shitpost, it's genuinely good.
>>722546914Okay, then try to redeem the bad parts (>>722538873, >>722539574) without saying it's bad on purpose
>>722546590Neurodivergent is a better term, Schizo is specific to a loner that borderlines on autism and other things.>>722540201My pic related here for example, mainly regular chick Nagisa who's feel good/sympathetic character meant for you look after them because of their physically weak body and type of shit, then in middle a tsundere, proper schizophrenic by 4chan standards but can back her shit up with scientific theory and studies, basically AI Waifu #1 as well because she was made into Asmadeus. Third one, well, she's 100% a Schizoid, perfect example of the term actually, its spot on for her. Every symptom, she also exhibits them when it comes to clinical definition of Schizoid personality disorder.
>>722547118Amadeus* that's a typo heh.
>>722547118>neurodivergentlol, schizo is short for schizophrenic you fucking pseud>inb4 I have to explain what pseud is short for too
>>722547118Tenshi isn't a schizoid she's just an autist who didn't tell the people to move on
>>722547187>Misses the point of the post entirely.>Proceeds to rage.I can tell you are new.
>>722547036Those aren't bad parts. It's trying to tell a story, not being a dating sim.Would you read Madame Bovary and call it shit because the romance sucks, when that was never the point to begin with? You can't even end up with her.Miyuki is better anyway.
>>722546770Yeah, so no purityfaggotry obsession or used-goods murder in that period. Thanks for proving my point.
>>722547118>Confuses schizo with schizoidAnon...
>>722547289was the point being confidently wrong? you'll fit right in on /v/, you're already schizophrenically hallucinating about which post was yours
>>722540576>They're the most common I come across when looking for new VN's or even hentai games in general, it's annoying.it's the same reason "there is only loads of ${GENRE_X} on sadpanda nowadays"it's the people who buy and share it. be a man, be proactive and buy and share.
>>722547250Autist is different from Schizoid, anyway, just a quick cross reference to what's going on with her personality.
>>722547291>It's shit no one wants or needs to hear but it's there for the storyI bet you defend all the poopie scenes in game of thrones.
>>722547295Yeah, we are in a better position now, those early days sluts weren't memorable at all. I wasn't trying to refute your point, I find people who affirm that NTR and used goods are more common now to be kind of silly.
>>722547468Right I don't think she was detached because she was trying to help them right? That was my point. She's just fuck terrible with communication.
>>722547551You're screaming at a wall now.
>>722547437Is there like a nice masterlist that comes out every comiket, or do I need to find a japanese salaryman and pay him to buy doujins that fit the scenarios I like. Because as far as I can tell doujins like お父さんとセックスしたらダメですか? or 父娘団欒 don't really get made. Especially if you dislike inseki like me.
I choose western
>>722547036I mean it literally is bad on purpose. Her route is supposed to be locked off because Miyuki is the main girl. To even go on this route you need to basically break the game
>>722547563the certain style of NTR however IS 100% more common, you know the type I mean when it comes to the art style and you can tell right away its NTR because its referencing other NTR works.
>>722540284This game was pretty cool.
>>722547787So having good art is NTR now? lol
>>722547036Slurpposters like to conveniently leave out what happens next.
>>722535392Kyou might be the most overrated heroine in historyTomoyo and Nagisa were both better.
>>722541765"No, you see, Aoi, I am the MC. I have the right to every virgin heroine I the world and their intact hymens, torned only by my degenerate, used goods, soiled by the squirt, discharge, blood, piss and shit of thousands of other heroines, penis. you're lesser than me.you are a lesser than me. I am the Player Number One."
>>722548195Oh okay. So did the semen get slurped yes or no?
>>722547737every comiket there is, indeed, a cataloguethe catch: you have to buy it.
>>722548332You do know that you’re not the protagonist, right? She kills the slurp protagonist and starts talking to you directly.
>>722548389Does it like, include the tags or is it just their titles
>>722548332Yes, and then the degenerates get their heads caved in with a baseball bat.
>>722548263That’s literally the message, Aoi is all the heroines, and you are all the male characters, so it’s impossible for you to be cuckolded, you’re cuckolding yourself.
>>722540819You just know Emily was taking pounds of dick in the interim
>>722546006That is an extremely surface level look at the character and misses the mark entirely. The whole "I'm every heroine" thing should be looked at with the context that this story is mostly about the players relationship with this genre, after you do that that's when you realize that in the narrative she is supposed to be a mirror to how players act and a window for us to see how weird and contradictory our actions are when you're on the outside looking in.So many of her actions deliberately calls attention to player habits and makes you question how fucked up we can be, but almost never how the female heroine would feel (that's Miyuki's job.) I highly recommend replaying the game, but with the mindset that Aoi is the main character and that there is a player behind her actions to better understand her as a character.
>>722547787Silly anon
>>722535392Monika. Just Monika.
>>722548260People don't read the visual novel. Also, yeah Tomoyo and Nagisa actually have wife material. Kyou is unironically a bitch in her route, to the point that even Sunohara seems like the wisest and sanest person there
>>722548612So Aoi is like an RPG Maker female MC, where we make her lose on purpose just to see her have sex with goblins and homeless men?
>>722548441In other words I was forcibly cucked twice by both him and myself (not me)Truly the kusoge of all time
>>722545771ok, i'll be your gf
>>722539376they should make an western galaxy angeland the twist is that the chitose expy is best girl
>>722548612It's not fucked up because we know that the characters in visual novels aren't real. Totono is a "But what if they were real?" kind of story, but not a moralizing one, because that would be retarded. The only message it conveys that could be applied to real life is to stick to your choices and not be a passive bitch. Other than that, it's just a love letter to the visual novel genre.
>>722548750Aoi is every vn heroine ever made.
>>722548792You force an unwilling man to slurp
>>722538873If I'm the first "person" she ever fell for, what does that even say about me?
>>722549192>unwillingThen who wrote his dialogue after I picked the choice? Wasn't me.
>>722549049You literally force Miyuki to only fall for you
>>722549447Because I get a game over if I don't and I want to see how the story continues. She's just a png.
>>722549720You get the worst ending treating them as pngs and cheating
>>722543809>shota rapeIs this what women fantasize about?
>>722549049While I do agree that the writers did not make the game with the intent of chastising the player, I do think it it wanted us to think about how we treat the characters and how mean we can be. But like you said, totono doesn't judge and in the end it doesn't matter what you take from it because it is just a game.
>>722547563>Yeah, we are in a better position now, those early days sluts weren't memorable at all.>>722544686
>>722548043Its the trash art. You know. The jagged flat line art, blurred face of the person that's going fuck the NTR-Kun's bitch. Blacked borders or dark toned color pages because muh edgy/moody hurdur shit. But yeah, its just trash quality art usually. When it comes to peak H art Taimanin has some peak fucking shit.
>>722549760Cheating is the only way to get the true endings.>>722549883It's more hypotetical than anything. As if visual novels were real, players would be psychopaths but that basically applies to any medium. There is no option to play the game without being an asshole, and I doubt any developer would be mad at players who explore every route and collect every CGs.
>>722550604What are you talking about? That ending was cheating and using the god code sure it unlocks all cgs but doesn't get any true end the heroines even call you a monster. The god or mc I forget even tells you not to reload and chose the other
>>722550790You have to cheat on Miyuki and break your promise to get the good ending.
>>722535392My wife of course.
>>722545082that's wrong ntr is an extremely broad category. there are entire sub genres where the guy and the girl don't have a preexisting romantic relationship. for example there's "I liked her first" ntr where the guy likes a girl but she starts going out with chad before he can make any progress with her. then there's mom ntr where a kid's mom starts neglecting him because she's busy getting fucked by his friend. basically anything that makes you feel like something you are possessive of is being taken away is ntr.
>>722545879>A miracle nobody made a NTRi'd so I got reincarnated in another life type of isekai after taking my life manga yet considering the cesspool that is current manga/novel industry.Actually...
>>722540736ABSOLUTELY FILTERED
>>722551353Grisaia really went no chill with the comedy liners damn.
>>722551093If this is the one I think it is, it was a weird ride the whole time with him basically doing netori the whole time with a bunch of women.Very mixed messages. I liked the samurai though
>>722541765you type like a basedjak, so what you're saying probably isn't worth listening to
>this filters the /v/igger
>>722551561>no chillWhat is this in non-retarded zoomer speak?
>>722535392top: artbottom: adult daycare for autistic "people"
>>722542235>DDLC did the twist better because.. its more popular
>>722551093Also speaking of the three types of NTR: >Apple/Nintendo: NTS>Microsoft/Android: NTR>Linux/Sony: NTIBetting its like this.
>>722551818No chill isn't zoomer speak, its millennial speech, zoomers on the other hand they would say "they were cooking/they tripping/they mad crazy with it in a good way!" Having no chill with something = you are going ham with it. ESL-Kun.
>>722546197Big nose ahh nigga
>>722542174Anti-puritifags are retarded. Miyuki is only good after she turns into a crazy yandere.
>>722551925Absolute word salad.t. 40 year old Americunt.>*DABS*
>>722551752Miyuki was better
>>722551752>I am sadly very weak to lewd pinks
>>722551708sharty is 4 steps down, sis
>>722545296The nipper VN market is dead, retard, Not even the staples like muv-luv can get funded anymore.
>>722535392Why does everything in the West have to be subversive? I mean, a lot of popular Japanese VNs have some space-time-murder bullshit going on. But the subversions feel more subdued in those. Timed for the right moment. The girls are still allowed to act cute and like it is a standard fluff dating game. Any subversive western media is going to have all the characters acting obviously strange or messed up. They will also have an overly specific content warning that essentially spoils everything (Japanese ones tend to be better, just letting you know it isn't as innocent as it seems). Why is everything so black and white in western media?
>>722535392>VN won over Interactive Fiction>Western VN have no Interactive Fiction elements even though there's a long tradition of them to be explored.>It's literally because IntFic games are too obtuse and gate progression, while VNs are just longAlas, Alas...The only recent IntFic stuff I've seen is all on Mobile, ALAS!
>>722553293>Why does everything in the West have to be subversive?People ignore and sneer at sincere Western works, especially sincere works that are inspired by Japanese works.Tell me, what's the last legitimately Weeaboo game that people actually liked here? The only one that comes to mind is CrossCode.
>>722553293>Why does everything in the West have to be subversive?It's just a taoism thing. Liberals are yin and you're only looking at things made by liberal leaning people.
>>722545296>you fuckers>your own shit>yourselves>youThe game devs aren't here retard. Or are are you a neckbeard who glazes muh superior Asian culture.
>>722547763The single most based anon in this thread
>>722535392>Monika and AshleyCan I pick just these two?
>>722550604I don't feel like it was posed like a hypothetical at all. Obviously, they are not condemning us for wanting to explore everything a game has to offer, but I feel like it's a little narrowminded to say they always attended everyone to just take it as a game when the entire game's plot is us being on the receiving end of a VN player's shenanigans and even making it so a true 100% impossible without you first acknowledging that you didn't care about the girls that way and think of it as a game first. >There is no option to play the game without being an assholeYou can literally stop playing when you get Miyuki's vanilla end just like you can stop playing any game after you get an ending and you can opt out of Aoi's route and go back to Miyuki at anytime. Whether or not you continue to play is up to you. There is no wrong decision.
>>722554092why do you like mentally ill girls?
>>722554087shame about the "spiritual successor"
>>722555929It's still good too, just not AS good
>>722555979to me it felt like a bunch of virtue signaling but you do you
>>722543616There is a way. At least for those devs that have a dedicated page. Open it and somewhere on the page should be options and an ignore button. I did it a few weeks ago for that goth gf ai slop dev. Can't replicate that now for some reason.
For me, its a cutesy monogamous relationship with a big happy family ending
No western creation has ever been able to compete with Sumika Kagami
>>722556472what game?
>>722556951Muv-Luv obviously, don't tell me you're on the 4chins talking about VNs without having read Muv-Luv
>>722555678>true 100% impossibleBecause the game is about decisions, not about learning to consider the feelings of PNGs, that's dumb. In Miyuki's particular case, she is loved BECAUSE you messed up her programming and turned her into a yandere. Otherwise she would be generic and boring, so messing up with characters is still fun at the end of the day.It's all about sticking to your choices. The MC is an indecisive sissy, and that's why he would have lost Miyuki if he hadn't gotten help. That's why the game deletes your save files, and that's why it keeps repeating the metaphor about the leader.>You can literally stop playing when you get Miyuki's vanillaWhy would I not continue a game that is crearly incomplete?
>>722553707Because there are few honest games based on anime culture made in the west.
>>722537307Bottom is just safe-edgy
For me it's Kotori.
>>722547036The game is not a moege where a romance is the main purpose of the game, and the cuckshit romance is nothing more than a vehicle for the narrative, instead of the narrative being a vehicle for the romanceIt's supposed to be uncomfortable, and complaining about it is like complaining that a fiction has murder in it when in reality murder is bad
>>722551028No, you're wrong and projecting. Netorare is one specific thing: Your lover is being taken by someone else and you are either consenting, intigating or simply accepting.If it's not like this, then it's just regular old cheating. Most people throughout history have cheated or been cheated on, it happens a lot. Cuckoldry is a degenerate thing that even serial cheaters would have a hard time accepting.Wanting to apply NTR tag to every form of infidelity is wrong.
>>722556472And yet you bring up the fucking onions sauce scene, the worst bit of writing in the entire extraverse. Even worse than lacrosse.
>>722559029Saucegate was the wake-up call that Extraverse Takeru needed to shape up and learn to start appreciating the effort others put in for his lazy ass.
>>722558973you are so confident in your wrongness. how is your mom fucking your neighbor cheating? your mom isn't your lover. what about a dyke whose secret crush gets a boyfriend? they weren't in a relationship. "netorare" literally just means "to have something taken away."
>>722559090I understand the message, it was just too fucking stupid even for Muv Luv Extra standards.And quite out of character, too. Sumika is entirely devoted to Takeru and, not too long before that point, she was being heavily pressured by the idea that someone else was going to take him away. She would never have picked such a time and such a pointlessly small thing to decide she wants to have a spine.The whole thing read a lot more like>Okay Takeru, you're going to be an adult soon. The first lesson you need to learn going forward is that you need to bend over to what woman want, doesn't matter what you want
Where are the western otome games?It's kinda annoying that Japanese otome games are now koreamaxxing in a bad way. (Voltage, the biggest outputted if generic trash has started to really just go full kpop) and the cool scenarios or boys that aren't just the same 5 archetypes have gone.The ones I can sort thing that are western, all appear to be more for the gay male, but not in the way that a lot of BL VNs can be enjoyed as a semi otome/female side. I bring this up because the thread is playing the approach towards the concept. Western VNS leaning on the concept straight first and eastern leaning on the characters first. Making the ideal be more in the relationship to the girl than the scenario.It's very different the trash voltage/opreahouse otomes that are more same guy/archetype in different worlds and the effort/bigger VNs being much more world first. (Even the gacha ones like Twisted Wonderland or the one with the 7 sins as boys). I find the split very interesting, and it's interesting that west cannot seem to make either concept for a otome game. Only ever making it grossly hollow sexuality (not erotic, or also known as gay) or it being some bizarre manifestation of the authors ideology. (There's a difference between Coffin's incest fetish and something like dream daddy).>inb4 the ideal of a female relationship doesn't exist or someone posts the Diobolik Lovers screencap
>>722559224>mom"Mom NTR" is not netorare, it's just a particular type of corruption.>not in a relationshipIt's not NTR. The words literally mean to steal/to be stolen. As such, perior ownership is required. If your childhood friend, your crush, etc. is taken by someone else, it's not netorare.NTR = Cuckoldry, and nothing else.
>>722535392It's such a shame Totono didn't have more anal>>722538873Actually you force her into being a whore and to NTR (You), she would much rather have a loving normal relationship
>>722556951Muv-Luv the official Twizzler branded visual novel ft. lacrosse
>>722559610how do you become so sure about something that's completely wrong? did you read an article from some trash site like shitkaku? did you read a post on /v/ and take it as gospel because it was the first definition you saw? or did you just get a vibe that you were so sure was right you never questioned it?
>>722559917I throw the same question back at you, without adding or removing anything.People want to label everything as ntr these days, which is why it seems so prevalent. If you go on sad panda and look up netorare, most of the stuff that gets shown to you is just regular old cheating. We had a name for that before, and it's not netorare.
>>722559224NTAYou're wrong.NTR = the girl the MC likes gets taken, it doesn't matter if they're a couple or not. Some of the most famous NTR works are about guys simping for girls while they fuck someone else. There has to be a focus on the guy getting cucked.Cheating = Self explanatory. The girl has to be in a relationship and the guy who gets cucked doesn't need to be relevant.Cuckoldry = netorase = wanting to see your girl getting fucked by someone else.
no one is ever content in a padded roomits fucking hell, so boring, and lonely
>>722559587instead of asking for western shit you should just learn japanese sis
>>722560025>the girl the MC likes gets taken, it doesn't matter if they're a couple or notthat's what I was saying. the other retard is arguing that it has to be a lover.>>722560017you don't even have to look a the tags just look at shit that has ntr in the title and you can clearly see that the nips use the term far more broadly than you imagine it means. now what is more likely, the authors creating the crap in their native language are wrong, or that you're a retard desperate to assign meaning to a foreign word even if you're completely wrong?
>>722560810>and you can clearly see that the nips use the term far more broadly than you imagineYes, that's because they are using it in the context of the word itself. To steal/be stolen. It doesn't mean that the contents of the book are netorare.
>>722539126Special interest groups looking to fast-track the already inherent demographic collapse with psychological warfare. Manifesting a nation of spiritual cuckolds means they won't resist when the ethnic cleansing protocol kicks in.
>>722535392>Ironic humor and/or SchizocoreWhy Western VN always do this shit
>>722560886I bet you can grab stuff off the top shelf at costco with a reach like that
>>722535392>Western VN girls in OP's pic being a copy of anymay syileWew lad, at least post a VN girl that doesn't go for the litteral most popular artstyle ever.
>>722560810it is retarded. to a nip, a sukeban stealing cheetos from a konbini can be NTR.
>>722559587Western women are too soulless to create stuff
>>722560810My bad, I quoted the wrong post
>>722555879I have a menhera fetish.
How can you be sure pure girls are loyal if their love were never tested?
>>722539126They are pure and innocent typically.
>>722539126>cartoonishly whorish girlsThe average western woman has a three digit bodycount by the time they're in their mid 20s. Tanned gyaru sluts from sloppy erotic books are tame compared to the real world.The dick carrousel is fucking real, Anon. It's not a strawman. How much cock do you think it takes to turn a cunt inside out until it looks like roastbeef? More than a few dozens, I tell you.
>>722545193>Airhead, Naive, Selfish, Strange, Homeless, Poor, Unemployed, Not Sexually InvolvedWhat a catch, Ryou is so lucky.
>>722562965About what she deserves.Most of the people in Clannad are poors.Tomoya comes from a broken home and is openly delinquent. After graduating, he becomes a blue collar worker and living paycheck to paycheck. He obviously couldn't afford to take his very sick wife and daughter to a hospital, he didn't even have money to stay home and care for his dying daughter.We don't see much from the Fujibayashi twins but Kyou later becomes a children's daycare caretaker, she's a working class lady in the same bracket at Tomoya most likely.Sunohara has it even worse. When we see him in the After Story, we learn he became a sweatshop worker, the kind that has to live in the company dormitories. He probably earns more than Tomoya and Kyou but saves all of it so he can maybe be happy in the future. Probably works 14 hour shifts.Why do I even remember all these details? It's been well over a decade since I read Clannad.The only people in Clannad who are not poor are Tomoyo and the retard whose name escapes me now.So yeah, getting together with a guy that's going through a rough patch is just about right for someone like Ryou. If I remember right, she went on to become a nurse, which means she's the only one of that particular bunch who went to get any education beyond highschool.
>>722535392Give me Finnish VN girls
>>722563370
>>722535392are we picking which one we'd rather be with or which one to preserve for media?eastern VNs are usually derivative slop, so they tend to have most of the tropes that make girls generically attractive, namely that they are pretty, easy to impress, and impossibly loyal to a retard protagonist who doesn't do anything valuable with his life. they are the obvious choice for a retard such as myselfwestern VNs tend to be more avant garde and more enjoyable, so i would preserve these girls if we are just talking about media preservation
>>722535392Every girls I've met are a different degree of bottom of pic. No it's not a good thing.
>>722543230kino
>>722547437Ultimately I hate what Genshiken became. Nodame being a fujo shit show thing and spotted flowers or whatever showing even when the world has spun in his favor he finds a way to fuck it up looking for redemption. There is no excuse when time affords you to have emotionally grown up.
weaboos fear that our VN would mog favorite novelsthere are more and more good western vns being pumped out lately while the last good vns are like 10+ yeas ago
>>722563954>more and more good western vnsI can think of Slay the Princess. What else?
>>722535392>Annoying, retarded moeblobs for sheltered retardsvs>Edgy subversionsCan I have an option that doesn't suck?
What is the best Yuzusoft visual novel?
>>722539574kedamono no kazoku is peak nukige tho you are just baiting
>>722552317>Not even the staples like muv-luv can get funded anymore.We should have bought the Muv-Luv NFTs.
what does he count as?
>>722543809wow it's like all that was necessary for a VN to be good is for the male protagonist to not be a wet blanket
>>722564736>it's realI want this world to end before I die
>>722539376Slay the Princess plays with the medium but it's completely sincere.
>Ye VNs of auld Cathay:The purest girls with HEAVING BREASTS who are HUGE sluts for (You) and will give (You) the sloppiest dome anytime anywhere but in a chaste and based way.>Ye VNs of Christendom anno Domini: Pic related.WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED?
>>722537541>as it should beyou probably mean "as i would love it to be"
>>722539376Western cucks are too ashamed of the medium to produce anything sincere.
>>722540201>christinawhy does this tsundere in particular have massive tiktok gamer normalfag appeal
>>722535392am i kowoiiuguuwu
>>722565781She's in a popular anime
>>722539376it's the only way you get an "in" with the western market, VNs here are seen as disgusting incel stuff so you have to explicitly subverting that perceived notion if you want to be seen
anons I wish to seek your council, are there any (non smut) VNs with a true haughty ojou-sama route?
>>722558434This guy has a girls with BPD bait pasts, but who are strong enough not to actually have BPD, taste
>>722565449Newfag to VNs? Big tits used to be token characters and flat/modest ruled. Only in the past decade did big tits become the default and the roles reversed.
What's even good about Kyou? She's sadistic, egoistic, manipulative and mentally unstable. She will never make compromises and will threaten and physically abuse you as long it gets her what she wants. Even Sunohara doesn't want her, in terms of personality she's easily the worst heroine in Clannad.
>>722566739Her aggression is only aimed at Sunohara. She is fair to Tomoya because he's always fair to her. It's very obvious that she likes him, from every interaction they have.And to be honest, she's just the right woman for him. Tomoya needs a woman breathing down his neck so he pulls himself up and stops mopping around like a loser.
>>722566739>What's even good about Kyou?>lists a bunch of the things that make Kyou good
>>722544686the dancing cats are my favourite bit
>>722567030>Her aggression is only aimed at Sunohara.That's Tomoyo. Kyou throws books at Tomoya and tries to run him over with her bike throughout the story.>Tomoya needs a woman breathing down his neck so he pulls himself up and stops mopping around like a loser.In the end of her route he doesn't get any character development which would make him manlier and give him any sort of leverage in their relationship. He's completely in the palm of her hand.
>>722567549I might be wrong but I don't think she ever actually hits him with the book. The thing about running him with the bike is just a tsundere way of getting his attention. Yes, Clannad's comedy is super goofy. Don't forget Kyou has a pet boar that not only understands language, it plays dead so nobody will notice it during class.>no character developmentWe only saw a tiny bit of it. Unfortunately, we live in a world where Tomoyo was the one to get a spin-off sequel. I was a huge Tomoyo fan back then but over the years, Kyou just makes more sense.Also Tomoyo After is a comically bad game. Don't play it.I firmly believe that the best future for the guy would be to marry Kyou. She was the right one for him. Unless life throws him a brain cancer curveball on that timeline again.
>>722540201>Steins;gate>Not THE most basic bitch VN out there
>>722566739she has the best thene
>>722558258Isn't this the VN where the MC fucks objects
I hate Key Magic so fucking much (except for how it was used in little busters, that was good). You have perfectly good stories that work as they are, but, nope, we need drama with heavy losses and then we need to undo everything.Maeda Jun should've killed himself after Kamisama flopped.
>>722540064Noone managed to refute me so I win.Jap VNs are still superior tho.
>>722569918Clannad's "undo magic" was actually setting up for a sacrifice where the girl doesn't make it meaning she was never born or someone else takes her place. But yeah, Maeda was too much of a coward to follow through
