EEEERRMMMM , just avoid the sightlines and open areas>80% of the popular maps are one giant sightline and open areaEEEERRMMMM , just move erratically to throw him off >does nothing to deter a competent sniperEEEERRMMMM , just get near him >can get instascoped, jarate'd, melee crit'd, or killed by his teammate or nearby sentry (especially from jarate)EEEERRMMMM , just go spy >razorback invalidates backstabs, can't gun him down if he's standing by a sentryEEEERRMMMM , just do chip damage to throw his aim off >cozy camper nullifies flinchingEEEERRMMMM , just set him on fire >darwin's danger shield invalidates fireEEEERRMMMM , just go sniper >don't play the other eight classes, including the spy who was literally designed to counter sniperSniper mains who defend this bullshit are some of the biggest losers in TF2. These "people" have whined about every tiny drawback that initially balanced the class and have successfully pressured Valve to release items to counter every one of them. Unbelievable entitlement from these tryhards.
You're gonna get an anon jumping on the fact your hypothetical sniper seems to have a jarate, razorback and darwin's shield all at once.The correct answer is that the sniper's secondary doesn't really matter when they can reliably get quickscope headshots even when caught up close. And they'll never be taken completely by surprise because they'll always watch their back since they won't waste time charging shots since 150 damage per shot is plenty.
>>722535783oh yeah? what's YOUR solution?
>wojakniggerdidn't read
you already made this threadstop posting
>>722535930Robin Walker actually :)https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2477
>>722535930A youtuber you apparently agree with since you failed to do the most basic thing of actually saying the opinion is wrong.
How to fix sniper:>make quickshots impossible so he has to be hardscoping for a full second before his headshots crit>change the bushwacka stats to smth else that doesn’t critThe problem with sniper was always that he is the ultimate God of long range combat so in order to be balanced he should be weak at close range and at being ambushed except that’s not the case because he can instant quickscope delete any scout ambushing him and can jarate+bushwacka oneshot anyone in close range trying to bumrush him. There was a dev commentary where they talk about this, saying sniper needs to be weak to ambushes and that’s why the included the charge meter to his scope except it’s clearly not enough.The sniper interaction should be one where you are scared of him at long range, but he is very scared of you at close range.
tf2 is the special ed of fps games
There's nothing to fix.
>>722536754Source Engine games seem to double as retard containment games.>TF2>GMod>L4D2All full of obnoxious spergs who say memes IRL.
I think the problem with sniper is that in casual he is just better due to the increased number of targets and the average skill level being low. Also, with more players, there will be more snipers which just makes it even less enjoyable. I kinda agree with SolarLight when it seems like tf2 was originally made for like a 6v6 to like 8v8 format and was only changed right before release.
>>722536420>people think Sniper is frustrating>rather than tune him to make him less frustrating, just give him a buggy projectile unlockLiterally what were they thinking
>>722535783wtf how is this sniper equipped with four different secondaries?!
>>722537661See >>722536156
>>722535783And yet, we ball.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzZufxcPwZE
>Enforcer got nerfed because "spy should not do high damage at close range">meanwhile Sniper can guaranteed crit-1shot 7/9 classes at melee range despite being the dedicated "long range" class
Didn't assed
>>722536296just delete sniper
>>722542573BRRAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPP
>>722535783>sniper always has a perfect loadout and team to counter me no matter what I dothe common factor at all of your failures is you
>>722535783Have you tried not playing TF2?
Play better>He's cheating and admin and he kicked me in the server when he got closePlay on a different server>I still hate TF2 and want it ruined because I'm bad at itKill yourself or play a different game you actually likeProblem solved.
>>722540467Enforcer is fine, just bind your fire key to last disguise too and you always get the bonus damage.
>>722543343When the hell did they rework the Enforcer into this?
>>722542573Go back to your containment general with your YouTube celebs and shupos queer
>>722535783if a sniper is carrying odds are both teams are trash
>>722543549what
>>722543446Some time between the Gun Mettle Jungle Inferno "We listened to compfags and retarded youtubers" updates.
>>722543343>just bind your fire key to last disguise too and you always get the bonus damage.wrong>August 27, 2015 Patch>Fixed the Enforcer getting a damage bonus as the Spy was disguising and not fully disguised.
>>722535783Sniper should take base damage from any attack at longer ranges. If Sniper can ignore damage fall off, so should anyone fighting him.That or make it so Sniper has damage fall off too. So all his headshots will deal the same damage, but if he bodyshots you at long range it’ll deal like 25 to 75 damage.These changes also wouldn’t impact skilled Snipers that much and any Snipermain who otherwise would complain is admitting they suck as Sniper.
>>722543869Oh bummer.Still not too horrible for completely fucking wrangler engies and vacc fags.
>>722544389truet. always kritzkrieg enforcer spies for this reason
>>722544472It's pretty funny when people don't realize the difference between>Immunity from Crit Damageand>100% resistance to crit damage
>>722535783"Long range is le bad because e-celeb video essay told me so" thread #7456874356
>>722535783I've only ever touched Scout, Heavy and Sniper, all three were playable before the hackers got too troublesome. I got under under 50h like a normal person because I'm no autist.
>>722535783>Play sniper really well>Now you have 4 spies that doesn't care about game and just want to kill you
>>722546202long range is le bad because it didn't exist in this form in Quake.
>>722546398>your team also now has 4 more snipers other than yourself>have to switch back to compensate for the other four wasted slots
>>722536420>When we started working on TF2, 22 years agoThis was written in 2009, what the fuck?
>>722546202Don't worry anon we'll cycle through the other regurgitated threads soon enough
>>722547034probably a joke about how long it took for TF2 to come out
>>722547034hang on what>>722547108yeah i guess, it was there as early as 2014 at least so it's not a recent edit
>>722546202Complaints about sniper predate youtube video essays. >>722536420
>>722546202No anon, literally ALL of the worst fucking updates to the game were explicitly the result of listening to youtubers, but THIS TIME, THIS TIME, TOTALLY, FOR REAL, DEFINITELY, NO FOOLING. Will be different, and totally necessary even though they were legally compelled to not host bots anymore.
>>722547034Valve were actually soulful back then. They most likely set up the article so it always displays the years since the time of reading that they started on tf2 just to timeproof the article.
>>722547556What the fuck are you talking about schizo?
>>722547646Gun Mettle through Jungle Inferno were all almost entirely shit, and the youtubers who got pissed when the bots were shut off were totally running them.
I dont have a problem with sniper except that he is too fast, without him it would indirectly buff heavy to stratosphere levels
>>722547734>and the youtubers who got pissed when the bots were shut off???
>>722537298these are the same people who wanted demoman players to use the grenade launcher more so they gave him a sword and shield
>>722547964It's actually why I kinda wish sniper and sticky launcher weren't in the game. It would force valve to be more honest about heavy's balancing.
>>722548140Heavy has played the same ever since QWTF, its one of the classes along with soldier that has changed the least, the problem with him hinges over that if demoman and sniper sucks (classic) he gets to shit on the game
>>722548443That's just it though. It would then force valve to actually balance heavy towards the classes/loadouts players want to play (not sniper or sticky launcher demo)
>>722535783Just bomb him
>>722548056Not him, but yeah they were unusually fucking furious about the bots actually getting knocked offline and were going on about how it was>Too late>Not specifically what was asked for>Not even the real issue that people were complaining about.
sneed
>>722548056Youtubers can make lazy videos crying about bots ad infinitum to shove content down their subscribers throats. Once the bots were removed they had to start getting creative again.
>>722548631Examples? I can see them complaining it was too late. Because valve DID drag their fucking heels on it. But that's not thinking of the bots as a good thing. That's the exact opposite.
>>722549115Well, more in particular they got felted when they lost the bots. There was nothing to actually stake any of their retarded demands around anymore.
>>722536296Lower quickscope damage to 100.
>>722536296Snipers can only get more ammo by getting a melee kill or respawning. Typing kill in console to respawn gives them a longer respawn time.
>>722546202Long range in an FPS game (a genre of game where range is one of the most important parts of the game) where a core mechanic is damage fall off encouraging players to engage with each other at close range to deal more damage, which said long range class entirely ignores for his own damage that is capable of oneshooting 5 of the 9 classes instantly or oneshooting every class with charge, but doesn’t ignore when he’s being hit*
just increase his quick scopping, nerf jarate and buswhacka and done
>>722546413Go play Quake then, faggot.
Headshots only at full charge.DDS changed into a razorback reskin. Bushwhacka equips 50% more slowlyThere. Sniper fixed.
>>722540467Enforcer was nerfed because a unilateral damage bonus is just plain stupid. At least now the makes some amount of sense, and it still does function to consistently 2-tap light classes and dumpsters dead ringers.should probably have been buffed to deal minicrits while disguised instead of being given resist piercing, but it still is perfectly functional as a weapon.
>>722535783>designhaha he has his sniper rifle for long range and an smg to help at close range! however the smg is not very good, so he should be careful!>realitythe sniper quick scopes you in the head and gets rewarded with max damagegee i wonder what needs to change!
>>722546202Sniperfags will say "It's just long range bro" as if1. Effective range isn't the most important factor for weapon viability in an FPS game, often the longest range weapons being the best weapons or said weapons needing to be kneecapped in every other category and managing to still be good.2. Sniper's ONLY advantage is long range. Completely ignoring his damage and also support capabilities with Jarate.3. TF2 doesn't have a mechanic called damage fall off that the sniper rifles ignore.
>>722547429Yeah, scrub shitters have existed in every video game. Hating sniper is just the latest fad that these losers latched onto because whining and complaining to make the game worse (and then complaining when the asinine balance changes they wanted so badly end up getting implemented) is the only thing they're good at. This is why gatekeeping is necessary.
>>722535783>razorback invalidates backstabs, can't gun him down if he's standing by a sentryI've seen this combo exactly once and just raped everything with demo as a solution>>722546202These threads didn't exist 2-3 years ago btw
>>722551001If you want to play a game where sniping from long range is discouraged due to damage falloff, go play Overwatch. Fuck off.
>>722551191>Hating sniper is just the latest fad>People were complaining since 2009>Also Sniper has never gotten a major nerf once, all the bad updates have indirectly buffed Sniper too>>722551204People were suggesting Sniper nerfs way back in 2015https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/314377863/#314380364
>>722551601>People were complaining since 2009>People were suggesting Sniper nerfs way back in 2015Thank you for proving my point, anon>Sniper has never gotten a major nerf onceIt's almost like there's a good reason for that. Could it be that he's actually not overpowered and that Valve didn't add him by accident?
>>722551391God forbid someone suggest sniper has to play by the same rules as every other class.You know like how spy had to play by those rules with his own headshotting weapon that is the only weapon in the game that has damage fall off applied to crits of any kind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhGNKS751jk&pp=0gcJCfsJAYcqIYzvhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-80pUxsqUY
Sniper doesnt need damage fall off, he just needs nerfs to his stupid shit
>>722551751>Thank you for proving my point, anonDo you know what year it is, or what the word "fad" even means?>It's almost like there's a good reason for that. Could it be that he's actually not overpowered and that Valve didn't add him by accident?No, it's more like Sniper is Valve's special little boy who is the type of kid that gets a piece of a birthday cake before the actual birthday kid.
>>722551963Like ignoring damage fall off
>>722552010You are retarded, you just want sniper to be a another mid range class
didn't they basically nerf every hard counter to sniper or give him some bullshit tool to shrug any threat off? Why do people still play this shit game?
>>722537121>I kinda agree with SolarLight when it seems like tf2 was originally made for like a 6v6 to like 8v8 format and was only changed right before release.retarded opinion5/9 classes are basically nowhere to be found in 6v6, and for good reason. they suck in 6v6, to the point of being unusable.of course the demoknigger main would come up with something as dumb as that
>>722550964The SMG is actually a great weapon, it's just balanced by the fact that the class using it is slow and squishy
>>722535783Modify the damage ramp of the sniper's charge meter so he can't quickscope classes with 150 HP and you fix like 70% of his issues in my casual opinion. It should take at least somewhere in the 0.7-1 second range before he is able to do 150 hp headshots
>>722535783>wojak shartyteen>is bitch-bornKEKa real man picks sniper and will duel the other sniper.Mixed blood alpha gen abominación cry on twitter and 4chins because they can't mass report in tf2. The world would become a better place instantly if you killed yourself
>>722537121>I kinda agree with SolarLight when it seems like [class based shooter with 9 classes and had servers with 32 players originally before being upgraded to 100 players] was originally made for like a 6v6 to like 8v8 formatDo you feel shame for saying something egregiously stupid as that?
>>722553470Dude they have been doing this retarded shit for 10 years now.No they do not at all.
>>722535783Skill issue
holy fuck you tf2 niggers never shut the fuck up about sniper. SKILL ISSUE!
>>722546413it did
>>722554513People that actually LIKE tf2 don't complain.This is a weird tumor that's been on TF2 for years that hates the shit out of the game but won't fuck off to something else.
>>722536296make sniper huntsman only
>>722546413are we forgetting the railgun or what
>sniper>random crits >What's the third in the holy trinity of things only shitters that don't actually like tf2 complain about?
>The goys go back and forth between Sniper being a problem or not>The Enginjew rubs his hands and smerks because no one will address his problems less they be called a salty Scoutmain
>>722554682Bullet spread, damage spread, Pyro at all
>>722535783>>722535783Sniping isn't even that hard, you don't even need to hit headshots, just equip the sleeper and machina and do full charged body shots and you can topscore
>>722535783People who cry about Sniper are the same f2p mongrels who cry about random crits. Literally the easiest class to kill besides Spies.
>>722535783
>>722551797Notice how he suddenly went silent after your postSniper niggers or sniggers absolutely know their class does not belong in the base game and don't make the game better gameplay wise>>722552197Yes they did, I could not believe my eyes when I saw the new crocshield, the only thing pyro could've done to a snigger is to harass him with flares and sometimes even kill with lucky double flare, but no-no-no it's way to "long range" to be able to deal with sniggers at least semi consistentlyAmby is another prime example of gutting an excellent anti snigger weapon, doesn't matter spy being THE anti sniper class, no long range for you lmaoWith that being said Huntsman sniper (not a snigger in this case) is actually a fun and balanced class and he should've been a default option
>>722535783You're completely right OP. I've got 4000 hours on this game and the only strategy I ever found to work on good Snipers was to git gud as a Sniper myself and shoot them. But then I had become the thing I sought to destroy.
>>722551391you are legitimately retarded
>>722535783>can't gun him down if he's standing by a sentry>while playing as spy>the class with a weapons slot specifically dedicated to disabling sentrieshow many flights of stairs did your mother throw you down because it clearly wasn't enough
>>722535783I'm not going to lie, I really enjoyed TF2 on and off for 10+ years but quit when flaming-hatted snipers started dominating public matches and it became unfun.
>NOOOOO I WANT THIS 125 HP CLASS AND NORMAL WALKSPEED TO BE IN THE SAME RANGE AS DEMOMAN NOOOShut up tranny, ambassador did needed the nerfs as nobody fucking wants a class that can go invisible/fake death kill you at long ranges
>>722554602>>722554920>people who LIKE tf2 just praise valve for drastically changing it in 2016 to something completely different>im a REAL fan (merc badge, 2018)
>>722555834>Sap sentry>Sniper hears and notices you>Engineer also trying to kill you>Any other players rallying by the sentry also trying to kill youYou could've thought about this for 0.1 seconds but chose to be a retard instead.
>>722556062I actually paid for TF2, and by that I don't mean I bought someone's old alt.
>crits with my strange professional killstreak diamondbackPshh nothing personnel kid.
>>722536452>posts obvious insulting meme>"he didn't specify it was against OP so he must agree!!!"rope. now.
