>Implying nu-Blizzard won't just turn into Retail-lite, again
Retard

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blizzard still trying to recapture the beloved state of the game they raped and failing agan and again while just making things worse is just a humiliation ritual, meanwhile games that embrace their roots are glowing up harder than ever.

>Be Blizzard
>Have a perfect opportunity to redo it all and not make the same fuck ups, in the vein of Jagex with OSRS catapulting them to the forefront of the market
>Instead just do minimum effort 1:1 re-releases until they peter out, then start releasing Diablo clone seasonal slop modes

Absolute clown company, fully deserving of their own slide into irrelevance.

Not a single souls at Blizzard likes classic or agrees with any of the design ethos behind it.
Classic plus will NEVER exist, only retail minus.

>>722537810
>oldschool runescape
>adds shit from post 2007 and even post eoc
It's bloated and proven that 40% or more of the player base are bots

I just wanna play a version of vanilla where balance/feral druids aren't dogshit

Just like how SoD "fixed wow", right? lmao
>>722537585
this, the current dev teams have no idea what made vanilla special and are just going to turn it into retail minus again

>>722539971
you're just retarded

its one of the best designed games you can play currently.

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>trusting nuBlizz to totally recalibrate WoW from a themepark ilvl treadmill themepark into a comfy evergreen sandbox

>>722537505
qrd?

SoD had a lot of good ideas, they just went full retard with retail shit and inflating damage to stupid levels.

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>>722537505
Only way it could ever be good is if someone based bought Blizz, fired all the women, troons, and jeets. Even though Vanilla is total kino it's still just choreslop at it's core, and even if it was good the community is so insufferable and minmaxxy it'll never be allowed to be fun again. Nobody with a life can reasonably play WoW in any form really. Also raiders are gay nigger faggots and WPVP is what makes Classic WoW good, prove me wrong.

>>722540434
there is no qrd
just more copium huffing about a theoretical "classic plus" that doesn't exist and has not been announced

>>722540602
>almost every class could literally just solo dungeons, due to how high the damage and survivability was
>especially paladins, who could breeze through strat live in ~12 minute runs and solo farm righteous orbs
Shit was nutty. Fun, but very much not vanilla in the slightest.

>>722540602
>>722540825
i gave up as soon as i got to lvl 12 or something. the level gating and the norm being chain pulling 5 mobs per second just made leveling a formality. they had no goal for the game besides getting you to max as soon as possible so you can raidlog.

>>722541297
Exactly. SoD felt like "vanilla but designed to appeal to retail casuals".

>>722541437
even in retail i dont think you can oneshot mobs with arcane blast with 0 gear. youd need heirlooms and consumes at least. basically dumbing leveling down to fxiv but theres no interesting story.

Why do this to yourself? you know what will happen. It will be sunshine and flowers for the first two weeks. Then people will start needing to group for stuff and the gamerdads will start swiping to buys carries with gold. They buy from the goldfarmers who infest servers with bots, crash economies and hack accounts to stripmine them. They always do this.

Remember week 3 of Season of Mastery Phase 1 when lvl. 25 BoE Blues went from 25g to 1000g? and lord help but the gamerdads they did be swipin and bragging about it because they were too genuinely dull to kill a fucking totem in blackfathom deeps.

Its going to happen again and "b-b-but i'll just play in my guilds gated community" isn't an answer. Thats not an mmo experience. Fucking Minecraft with randos is more of an mmo experience than that. Massively Multiplayer means a virtual world including interacting with strangers not the dozen or less millenial burnouts you have been playing with since you were 19 25 years ago.

But that shill will die in 2 weeks. Again. I know it. You know it.

So why fucking bother mate? save your time and do anything else.

>>722541730
"gamer dads" were not playing season of mastery, only hardcore vanilla autists were

>>722541828
Yes they were you dumb revisionist cunt. They played it because their mouthbreathing adult daycare streamers played it just like Hardcore.

>>722537505
>fixes WoW
How bout we get something new instead of playing the same game for 30+ fucking years.
Literally any game dev out there, just copy WoW but make it different, its that simple. For the love of god.

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>>722539161
>Classic plus will NEVER exist
Already exists in China.

>>722542153
>accelerated leveling
>level scaling on raids
>SoD shit
It's a funserver / retail timewalking being pitched as a new thing.

>>722542226
Also IIRC it has tons of pay2win / RMT shit baked into it because china.

>>722537505
for how long have you been saying this?

>>722542817
"muh classicplus" faggots have been discussing their fanfiction for literally like 5 years now.

After seeing that classic+ survey they sent out I'm worried they'll add garbage features like warmode, transmogs and cross-faction grouping. I'll be wildly surprised if Blizzard doesn't fuck this up.

>>722543496
they clearly just hope the playerbase is ok with them making a half assed SoD 2.0 but this time with retail models and transmog and basically shuts up and goes to play retail. the lawsuit theyre cooking up also reveals their hand since they are demanding access to the twow homework so if blizzpigs are lucky they will maybe get a few vibecoded iterations of twow's systems and blizz will call it a day

>>722537505
>adding retail abilities to classic classes and adding effectively untouched TBC content but level 60 will fix WoW

Instead of spicing up classic wow
What if they took every expansion and tweaked them to have vanilla mechanics and talents

>>722543918
Nah, I wanna pretend I live in a universe where the expansions never existed.

>>722537810
Jagex had to be tardwrangled by their player base. I have no faith in the creatures who currently infest WoW Classic to do the same.

>>722543918
Would the people clamoring for Classic+ really want that though?

How to make Classic+ amazing:
- Start with Vanilla base
- Add new zones, new quest hubs, new creatures, new storylines, new professions, new instances, new talents
- Make sure every spec is viable
- Do not add flying
- Keep adding content in a progressive and horizontal fashion, never invalidating old content but simply adding new (no hamster wheel of loot)

Shrimple as

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UURRGRGHHHHH YESSSSS PLEASE BLIZZARD PLEASE IT WASN'T ENOUGH TO SHARD THE SERVERS INTO OBLIVION!!! I NEED YOU TO SHARD THE GAME ITSELF INTO FIFTY DIFFERENT VERSIONS TOO!!!! AAUURGGGGHHH THIS MAKES ME FORGET ALL ABOUT THOSE PESKY PRIVATE SERVERS THAT OFFER BETTER EXPERIENCES FOR FREE

>>722544735
That only works if it is not Blizzard doing it. Keep living on dreamland.

>>722544826
Layering is the most evil game mechanic every conceptualized by developers. Classic will never be whole again because of it.

>>722544735
I don't think horizontal progression will go over well with the classic playerbase, they're in it for the hamster wheel

>>722544735
- Start with Vanilla base
Obviously. But combining everything from Vanilla to Wrath with new shit would be ideal, but probably impossible for modern day companies.
- Add new zones, new quest hubs, new creatures, new storylines, new professions, new instances, new talents
They did that in SoD with the last phase, which bascially told us what happened to the corrupted Ashbringer and how it would eventually end up in Fordrings hands. The last phase of SoD was probably the best phase ironically.
>Make sure every spec is viable
Not possible. The playerbase will ALWAYS minmax and will ALWAYS follow the meta a website run by literal WHO's dictates.
Blizzard could make the same exact class 7 times, and just color it different, and people would figure out a way to claim a certain class is the best one and everyone would follow that meta.
- Do not add flying
Fuck you, I don't have time to walk zone to zone, taking 30 minutes. Or sitting on a 12 minute flight path from Ironforge to EPL. WoW, losing control of my character for 12 minutes so I can play the game, so much fun.
- Keep adding content in a progressive and horizontal fashion, never invalidating old content but simply adding new (no hamster wheel of loot)
Thats literally what they're beta testing in China >>722542153
Granted we're all gonna be old dead men by the time the American version comes out in like 2030.

>>722544826
>OFFER BETTER EXPERIENCES FOR FREE
I was playing ascension and got kicked from a dungeon cause I didn't have any of the new power thingies and my group just kept telling me to buy it from the donation shop, and I refused.
Private servers are cancer cause the well established elitests on the server ruin it for everyone.

>>722537505
There's nothing to fix, it's just that nobody understands that the game was designed around 2-5 player content, instead of solo or raiding.

raiding fucking sucks and i honestly dont get that other people could ever enjoy it

>>722545147
Flying destroys wpvp and adventure aspects.

For example, I know literally every tree in STV by heart. I have zero knowledge about Outland and I've done every quest there is to do there, several times over.

If you like flying so much there's always retail.

>>722544735
Mmmm. WoW with horizontal progression. All I ever wanted. I came from Dark Age of Camelot where the progression was kind of horizontal due to capped stats, and a secondary leveling system via PvP. Even with new expansions, certain pieces of gear I had stayed on my character just due to how I wanted my template to be to get as much as my stats to cap.
Once Burning Crusade was released and invalidated EVERYTHING I had, I noped out of there quickly.

>>722538749
Had they made Classic+ instead of Classic the no changes crowd would have complained. WoW was too many different things to too many people for a one-size-fits-all approach.

>>722545147
>waaaah I can only play for 15 minutes a day the entire game should cater to me!!!!!
blizzard catering to retarded faggots like you is why the game is in the shape it is today

>>722548136
NTA but they could shorten the time it takes to travel via flight paths, there are no practical reasons for them taking so long.

>>722537505
classic+ probably refers to 50 different builds of the game minimum
slapping a plus onto a moniker is the laziest mod name you could have

>>722540251
>Just like how SoD "fixed wow", right? lmao

nearly everyone liked it by the end, they had some hiccups in early phases but by the time of Scarlet Enclave it was well received.

>>722537505
BronzeBeard Classic. BBC for short.